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Aftermath of the Magdeburg car attack A car attack (aftermath pictured) at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany, kills five people and injures more than two hundred others. In France, Dominique Pelicot and 49 other men are convicted of the serial rape of his then-wife Gisèle Pelicot. A 7.3-magnitude earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital, Port Vila, leaving at least sixteen people dead. Cyclone Chido leaves more than 120 people dead in southern Africa. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Sigrid Kehl Perry J. Dahl Nicholas Chia Dick Van Arsdale Macoto Takahashi Papia Sarwar view — page history — related changes — edit

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December 22

Portal:Current events/2024 December 22
December 22, 2024 (2024-12-22) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Red Sea crisis The US military states that one of its warships shot down an F/A-18 Hornet jet following a series of strikes on Yemen. (CNN) Israel–Hamas war Israeli airstrikes across Gaza kill at least 28 people. (France 24)

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RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri

Article: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Asr-e-Hazir, Millat Times
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband. Khaatir (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

December 21

Portal:Current events/2024 December 21

December 21, 2024 (2024-12-21) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine At least seven Ukrainian drones strike Kazan, Russia, six of which reportedly hit residential areas, including a 32-story apartment building. (Ukrainska Pravda) (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Sixteen Pakistan Army soldiers are killed and five others are critically injured when militants launch an overnight raid on an army post in Makeen, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Al Arabiya) Red Sea crisis Sixteen people are injured in a Houthi missile attack on the Tel Aviv-Jaffa area in Israel. (CNN) Business and economy Constitutional crisis in Somalia The Puntland region of Somalia announces that it will introduce a new regional currency in 2025. The region had previously shifted to use of the United States dollar in 2021, due to severe inflation of the Somali shilling. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online) (Horseed Media) Disasters and accidents Thirty-eight people are killed and 13 others are injured when a bus collides with a truck on a highway in Minas Gerais, Brazil. (The Guardian) (G1) At least ten people are killed when a bus plunges into a ravine in Lorestan, Iran. (Al Arabiya) Ten people are killed and many others are injured in a stampede during a distribution of food and clothes at a church in Abuja, Nigeria. (AP) Law and crime The Albanian government announces a one-year ban on the social media platform TikTok beginning in 2025, following a fatal stabbing of a teenager in November in connection to a confrontation on the platform. (Al Jazeera) (Türkiye Today) Politics and elections 2024 Icelandic parliamentary election The Social Democratic Alliance, led by Kristrún Frostadóttir, forms a coalition government in Iceland's Althing with the Liberal Reform Party and the People's Party. Kristrún becomes Iceland's youngest prime minister at 36 years old. (CNA) 2025 United States federal budget, Government shutdowns in the United States The United States Senate passes a funding bill, with President Joe Biden subsequently signing the bill into law, thereby averting a government shutdown. (CBS News)

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RD: Don Martina

Article: Don Martina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NU
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Curaçaoan politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joanne Pierce Misko

Article: Joanne Pierce Misko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the FBI's first two female agents. ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I am not altogether sure this is not a case of WP:1E. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

December 20

Portal:Current events/2024 December 20

December 20, 2024 (2024-12-20) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign Siege of El Fasher The United Nations Human Rights Office reports that the Rapid Support Forces have killed over 782 civilians and wounded over 1,143 others in El Fasher, North Darfur, Sudan, since May, and urges the RSF to halt their incursions into the city. (Al Jazeera) At least 50 people, mostly from the Zaghawa ethnic group, have been killed by the Rapid Support Forces in the past week in El Fasher, North Darfur State, Sudan. (Sudan Tribune) Syrian civil war 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria Israeli soldiers injure a Syrian man protesting against the soldiers' presence in Ma'ariya, Daraa Governorate. (Al Jazeera) Fall of the Assad regime The United States drops the $10 million terrorism bounty offered for capture of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham leader Abu Mohammad al-Julani who ousted Assad. (AP) (Times of Israel) US intervention in the Syrian civil war U.S. forces kill regional ISIS leader Abu Yusif, also known as Mahmud, in an airstrike in Deir ez-Zor Governorate, Syria. (US CENTCOM) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2024 Kursk offensive A Ukrainian missile strike kills six people and injures 10 others in Rylsk, Kursk Oblast, Russia, according to acting Kursk Oblast governor Alexander Khinshtein. Russia says that it will raise the issue of the missile strike at the United Nations Security Council. (Reuters) Kryvyi Rih strikes, Kyiv strikes At least one person is killed and eight others are injured in Russian missile strikes on civilian infrastructure in Kryvyi Rih and Kyiv, Ukraine. (The Kyiv Independent) (Reuters) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Mali War At least 20 people are killed in attacks on six villages in Mali's Mopti Region by suspected jihadists linked to al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, who also destroy property during the assaults. (Reuters) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war, Israeli settler violence Israeli settlers set fire to a mosque in Marda, Salfit Governorate in the occupied West Bank and deface the building's facade with anti-Arab statements, including "Death to Arabs". (Al Jazeera) (AFP via Barron's) Terrorism in Germany 2024 Magdeburg car attack Two people are killed and 68 others are injured in a vehicle-ramming attack at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany. The suspected perpetrator is arrested. (Al Jazeera) (Blick) Myanmar civil war The Arakan Army claims to have captured the Tatmadaw's regional headquarters in Rakhine State. (AP) Disasters and accidents Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Malaysian Minister of Transport Anthony Loke announces a new search effort for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which went missing in March 2014, to be conducted by American marine robotics company Ocean Infinity. (DW) Rohingya genocide The Sri Lanka Navy rescues 102 Rohingya refugees, including 25 children, that were found adrift on a fishing trawler and takes them to Trincomalee, Sri Lanka. (Al Jazeera) (The Independent) 11 people are killed, 45 others are injured and 37 vehicles are destroyed after an LPG tank truck catches fire and explodes after a speeding truck crashed into it in Jaipur, India. (The Statesman) Eight people are killed and 18 others are rescued when a speedboat carrying migrants capsizes off the coast of Rhodes, Greece. (AP) International relations Australia–Solomon Islands relations Australia agrees to provide Solomon Islands with financing, training, and infrastructure support worth AU$190 million (US$118 million) over four years to strengthen its police force as part of a renewed security partnership between the two countries. (France 24) Hungary–Poland relations Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs summons Hungary's ambassador to protest the Hungarian government's decision to grant asylum to former Polish deputy justice minister Marcin Romanowski, who is wanted under the European Arrest Warrant for alleged corruption. Poland also recalls its ambassador to Hungary Sebastian Kęciek for consultations. (AP) Law and crime 2024 Zagreb school stabbing A child is killed and seven other people are injured in a mass stabbing at a primary school in Zagreb, Croatia. The 19-year-old perpetrator is arrested. (BBC News) The Inter-American Court of Human Rights rules that El Salvador violated the human rights of a woman denied an abortion during a high-risk pregnancy in 2013 and orders the country to implement measures allowing abortions in cases where the woman's life is at risk. (The Guardian) Guatemalan authorities rescue 160 minors from the Lev Tahor sect in Oratorio, Santa Rosa, amid allegations of human trafficking, forced marriage, and child abuse. (Reuters) The United States withdraws its $10 million reward for the arrest of Ahmed al-Sharaa, the leader of the Syrian group Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham. (Al Jazeera) The U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau files a lawsuit against banks JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo for failing to protect consumers against alleged widespread fraud on the built-in payment system Zelle equating over $870 million. (Al Jazeera) (Detroit Free Press) Politics and elections 2025 United States federal budget Government shutdowns in the United States, National debt of the United States, United States debt ceiling A funding bill ensuring full operation of the U.S. federal government service with an amendment supported by President-elect Donald Trump that would enforce a two-year suspension of the federal debt ceiling is rejected in the Republican-majority House of Representatives, with multiple Republicans and nearly all Democrats opposing the bill. A government shutdown is expected to occur if no bill is passed by midnight. (BBC News) House Speaker Mike Johnson reintroduces a funding bill without Trump's debt ceiling suspension, stating that "we will not have a government shutdown". The bill, which will fund the government until March 2025, passes the House by a vote of 336–34 and will now go to the Senate. (The Washington Post) 2025 Belarusian presidential election Estonia says that it will not recognize the results of the upcoming presidential election in Belarus, which it claims has already been rigged to ensure that President Alexander Lukashenko will be re-elected. (ERR) In Italy, the Meloni government survives a confidence vote in the Chamber of Deputies on the 2025 budget. (Reuters) Sam Hou Fai is sworn in as Chief Executive of Macau, succeeding Ho Iat Seng. (RTHK)

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RD/Blurb: Rickey Henderson

Article: Rickey Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American baseball player Rickey Henderson dies at the age of 65. (Post)
News source(s): The Mercury News
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Baseball HOFer and all-time steals leader. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article is GA. Doc Strange (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb GA and one of the greatest to ever play. Transformative and top of his field. DrewieStewie (talk) 23:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Extremely significant individual in a culturally significant sport. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Rickey Henderson isn't just the all-time steals leader; he's the all-time runs leader. On the basis of having scored more runs than anyone else ever, I support this obvious blurb. Regarding quality, it's already good enough quality to post. NorthernFalcon (talk) 00:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Article is GA. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• The GA review was from 2008. It's got some outstanding uncited tags.—Bagumba (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready Unfortunately there are a significant number of CN tags that will need to be resolved. In its current state I doubt the GA status would survive a review. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Addressed: Almost all the CN's have been resolved. The last one can be proven with a bit of research; one source demonstrates that only four people have even stolen more than 8 bases in a single postseason, and if you look up each of those cases none of them involves stealing more than eight in a single postseason series, other than Rickey. Nonetheless I haven't found a source that says it directly yet, so I'll try to fix that tomorrow if someone else doesn't first. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Ref has been added. Spencer^T•C 09:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb Per above; quality article that demonstrates notability within field. Spencer^T•C 09:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb Notable individual with significant record, not uniquely transformative in his field though. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Not remotely the level of transformative that's required.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb not a transformative player, not a global massive sport. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, namely those are huge quotes in the legacy section which verves on being a copyright problem. Masem (t) 12:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: George Eastham

Article: George Eastham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1966 world cup winning Footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready A handful of CN tags. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rey Misterio

Article: Rey Misterio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bleacher Report, People
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican professional wrestler and trainer, Rey Mysterio Sr, uncle of WWE legend, dies at 66 Spworld2 (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Om Prakash Chautala

Article: Om Prakash Chautala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by ExclusiveEditor (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Chief Minister of Haryana, served the most terms, three days mourning in the state, former head of an Indian state. The article is now well cited. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 08:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• No footnote for DoB in main prose. There is quite a bit of prose on his legal troubles, but not much on his work as Chief Minister for 5+ years, President of his political party for 24 years and Leader of Opposition in the Haryana Legislative Assembly for 9+ years. What did he do while in office? --PFHLai (talk) 11:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ann Hartley

Article: Ann Hartley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former Labour MP, North Shore mayor Ann Hartley dies
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muso555 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Looks nearly ready; some minor referencing is needed. Schwede66 23:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Her election record has been well presented in prose, but where is the coverage on her work while in office? --PFHLai (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Magdeburg car attack

Article: 2024 Magdeburg car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and at least 205 are injured in a car attack at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ARD, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Yo.dazo (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit) and CommissarDoggo (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: There aren't that many details as of yet, but it is already being heavily covered. Saxony-Anhalt minister-president already announced casualty figures and general info on perpetrator. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is obviously a very significant event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait We are not a news ticker and we know next to nothing other than that something has happened and at least one person has been killed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Support based on recent developments and a clearer picture of the event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Mayor of Magdeburg just confirmed over 50 injured. Khuft (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support 11 died now Braganza (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

This is false. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until expansion and more ramifications are known. We are not a news ticker. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait We don't yet know the exact extent of the attack. In any case the article needs more time before it is ready to be posted. Gust Justice (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Support At this point the event is clearly notable enough for ITN. It has received significant coverage in many sources, and it seems similar to 2016 Berlin truck attack in scope and significance (although the motive appears to be different). That event was also posted on ITN back then. Gust Justice (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Made altblurb into blurb because they're pretty much the same, just with updated info. Yo.dazo (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support There's no doubt it's significant now, it must be on the front page Fishthatflies (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Support per widespread coverage and severity of attack TansoShoshen (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Support lots of coverage, high death toll, pretty rare and interesting attack Personisinsterest (talk) 04:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose -- only two dead? 68 injured, sure, but I don't think this is enough for the front page absent anything more. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose pretty much per Rockstone. Starting to believe we're once again missing the mark here and letting pro-Western bias influence when we believe to be notable or not. A tragic event, but for the sorts of events that we've considered, this is not all that extreme. Same goes for the shooting nom directly below this one. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment When considering whether an ITN nom is significant we can weigh separate things, whether the news is receiving significant coverage outside the incident region, whether it is unique therein and whether it is likely to any have lasting coverage. While the first can be answered in the affirmative, for the next two we will have to say no especially when you look at the listings at Terrorism in Germany#List of significant terrorist incidents in Germany. We also unfortunately have to say the death toll is not sifinificant at this point in time, consider for e.g. List of traffic collisions (2000–present) which bears a minimum 5 casualties. For a comparision, there is a reason we stopped posting most school shootings in the US which were seen to be frequent and without lasting encyclopedic impact (WP:10YEARS) as evinced by the massive lists at Lists of school shootings in the United States. Gotitbro (talk) 06:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• I think the comparison with US school shootings is unfair given that has only seven articles on it, and among them there are only three with comparably high casualties: 2016 Berlin truck attack, 2020 Volkmarsen ramming attack, and this one. (Also, casualties are not the same as fatalities.) Many in the list of significant terrorist incidents in Germany also have low or zero deaths and injuries. All this to say that the significance here is not just in numbers: this was a vehicular attack at a Christmas market by a lone perpetrator who was critical of Islam, both echoing and contrasting the one at Berlin in 2016. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: I think I very much know of the so-called western bias, and I think it is something that doesn't apply here (although I may have personal bias of seeing Christmas based vehicle attack the first time). The page has been well extended, and 68 injuries with 2 deaths is something people should not take that casually. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article in good state, making global news and it is a significant event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support worldwide news and significant attack by any measure applied. Unconvinced by WP:MINIMUMDEATHS and WP:BIAS arguments; the number of deaths is not the main criteria for posting and that should never be a measure of notability. We routinely post non-routine tragic events in other parts of the world, if they don't get posted it's usually due to quality and lack of WP:RS and not notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on principle (appears to be a race-motivated attack and borders on terrorism, rather than a more domestic crime) but Oppose on quality. The Aftermath and Reaction sections are almost not significant enough to be needed, we do not need the halfdozen-some lines of "thoughts and prayers" from various leaders. The rest of the article seems fine, but these section stick out a unnecessary fluff for an even article. --Masem (t) 13:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  As of this comment, the aftermath and reaction sections look pretty tame tame to me. Maybe they were more bloated when you were looking at them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Attempted to condense them. I know full well though that those sections will remain a bit of a mess for weeks (or maybe even months, if this attack does end up influencing the federal elections.) Such is the fate of ongoing articles, I suppose. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Suitable for ITN and the top news story for many media outlets today.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support There's big coverage of this story and many lines of intrigue including the Saudi suspect's unusual anti-Islam stance, his wanted status in his home country and the kingdom's failed attempt to extradite him. [1] Of course those are too nuanced to be in our headline, but let's give the people the news story they're actually looking up. This story is more than just senseless bloodshed. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Zagreb school stabbing

Article: 2024 Zagreb school stabbing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Zagreb, one child is killed, and seven others are injured in a school stabbing. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)

 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, as a national day of mourning has been called in the country. This is obviously a very significant event. Hijérovīt | ^þⰁ_č 19:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle. Article looks good to go too.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support, as a national day of mourning has been called in the country. This is obviously a very significant event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Undoubtedly a tragedy. But a single death by violence, even in Europe, is just setting the bar too low for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I'm going to add the same caution here, in that the person was suffering from mental health issues, which generally means the crimes are not seen as severe compared to those that are committed by more rationale persons. --Masem (t) 01:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Support pretty rare to see something like this happening in Europe, and 8 casualties is alot Personisinsterest (talk) 04:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - mental health issue, and only a single death. We wouldn't post a similar stabbing in the US or Canada. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Data on how common are these in Croatia-specific may lead to more constructive discussion. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose While tragic and a rare incident in Croatia, we have almost never posted an attack with a single death (unless the deceased is notable themselves) and we shouldn't now. The article also proceeds to call this a massacre which is quite a stretch. Gotitbro (talk) 07:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Unconvinced by WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments; the number of deaths is not the main criteria for posting and that should never be a measure of notability. This doesn't look to be routine either and the article looks to be in good shape. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  MINIMMUMDEATHS is a controversial subject about which there is currently no strong consensus. It is neither affirmed, nor proscribed as an argument in any of our WP:PG. As such it is perfectly legitimate for editors to take into consideration the death toll of events being considered for ITN, until/unless such time as some sort of broad consensus forms one way or another and we are able to put it into a guideline. Of course editors are equally free to disagree with such arguments, and in those cases we go with the local consensus on a case by case basis for each nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per Gotitbro and Rockstone. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

December 19

Portal:Current events/2024 December 19

December 19, 2024 (2024-12-19) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Fall of the Assad regime Deir ez-Zor offensive, Eastern Syria insurgency Iraqi foreign minister Fuad Hussein warns that ISIS cells in Syria have begun reorganizing and taking new land following the collapse of the Syrian Armed Forces and subsequent abandonment of weapons depots. (Asharq News) The Baniyas Refinery, Syria’s largest oil refinery, stops operating after ceasing to receive the crude oil from Iran that previously made up the majority of the country’s input. (Financial Times) Operation Dawn of Freedom, Turkish involvement in the Syrian civil war 2024 Kobani clashes U.S.-backed SDF forces vow to fight Turkey and pro-Turkish rebel groups in Kobani, Aleppo Governorate. (Reuters) 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Ahmed al-Sharaa, the emir of Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham, makes an announcement claiming that the country is exhausted by perpetual warfare and is no longer a threat to its neighbors or the Western world. (BBC News) The Military Operations Command forces take control of several towns in Raqqah Governorate, Syria. (SOHR) Iraq announces the repatriation of members of the Syrian Armed Forces who fled after the fall of the Assad regime through the Al-Qa'im border crossing, back to Syria. (Al Arabiya) Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war Satellite imagery reveals that Russian forces are mobilizing heavy planes at Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia Governorate and are also mobilizing ships at Tartus naval base, indicating a potential withdrawal. (BBC News) Abdul Hamid Dbeibah, the Prime Minister of the Tripoli-based Government of National Unity of Libya, denounces the entry of Russian forces from Syria into the eastern part of Libya. (The Libya Observer) Russian president Vladimir Putin says that Russia helped evacuate 4,000 Iranian fighters from Syria. (Anadolu Agency) Prosecution of Syrian civil war criminals The Syrian Interim Government announces that they have begun preparing lists of people from the former regime who were involved in war crimes, torture, and murder. (The Jerusalem Post) Red Sea crisis December 2024 Israeli airstrikes in Yemen Israel carries out a series of airstrikes against the Houthis in western Yemen, damaging the Ras Isa oil facility, the port of as-Salif, and several power stations, and killing at least nine people. (Al Jazeera) The United States Department of the Treasury announces sanctions on the governor of the Central Bank of Yemen in Sanaa, Yemen, and several Houthi officials and associated companies and vessels, accusing them of trafficking dual-use weapon components and Iranian petroleum to the Houthis. (Al Jazeera) (JNS) Israel–Hamas war Gaza genocide, Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip Human Rights Watch accuses Israel of committing "acts of genocide" in Gaza by damaging water supply infrastructure and depriving civilians of clean water. (DW) (Reuters) (Human Rights Watch) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aids during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine British defence secretary John Healey announces a proposal to send military advisors to train Ukrainian forces. (BBC News) 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting A lawmaker is killed and another is injured in a shooting inside the Parliament in Sukhumi, Abkhazia. The perpetrator, identified as MP and former Sukhumi mayor Adgur Kharazia, flees the scene. (Al Jazeera) Mexican drug war Two soldiers are killed after an explosion caused by a improvised landmine at a drug laboratory in Michoacán, Mexico. Three days ago, two other soldiers were killed and three more injured in Michoacán during a similiar incident. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season The death toll from Cyclone Chido in Mozambique increase to 73, including 66 in Cabo Delgado Province. (Al Jazeera) Nine people are killed during a fire at a warehouse building of PX Mart under construction in Taichung, Taiwan. (AP) International relations China–India relations Sino-Indian border dispute Indian national security advisor Ajit Doval and Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi meet in Beijing, China, and reach a six-point consensus to maintain peace along the border, refine border management rules, resume cross-border exchanges, and work toward resolving border disputes. A follow-up meeting is planned to be held in India next year. (CNN) Georgia–United Kingdom relations, Georgia–United States relations, 2024 Georgian post-election protests The United Kingdom and the United States impose sanctions on Georgian officials, including Interior Minister Vakhtang Gomelauri, in response to alleged violent crackdowns on pro-European protests. (EFE) Hungary–Poland relations Hungary grants political asylum to former Polish deputy justice minister Marcin Romanowski, who faces allegations of corruption in Poland. (Reuters) France's Directorate-General for External Security reports that four French nationals detained in Burkina Faso on allegations of being foreign intelligence agents have been released following mediation by Morocco. (ABC News) Law and crime 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration bans the flying of drones over multiple cities in New Jersey citing "special security reasons". (WPVI-TV) Deportation and removal from the United States The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency reports 271,484 deportations in the past fiscal year, the most since 2014 and almost double of the previous fiscal year. (AP) (FOX News) Mazan rapes The Judicial Court in Avignon, France, finds Dominique Pelicot guilty of the aggravated rape of his ex-wife Gisèle Pelicot, and imposes the maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. The 50 other defendants in the case are also convicted of crimes ranging from attempted rape to aggravated rape, and receive prison sentences ranging from three to 15 years. (Reuters) A Malaysian high court acquits Rosmah Mansor, the wife of former prime minister Najib Razak, of 17 charges of money laundering and tax evasion due to insufficient evidence. (Reuters) Politics and elections Aleksandar Šapić, the mayor of Belgrade, Serbia, announces the city will make all public transit free on January 1, 2025. (DW) (Novinite)

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RD: Francisco Nemenzo Jr.

Article: Francisco Nemenzo Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philstar
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino political scientist, educator Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

CitationS Needed: A lots of. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Abhkaz parliament shooting

Article: 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Adgur Kharazia shoots political rivals Vakhtang Golandzia and Kan Kvartchia, killing and injuring them respectively outside the Abhkaz parliament. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A shooting occurs inside the People's Assembly of Abkhazia, killing one lawmaker and injuring another.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The Moscow Times
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, its made world headlines, unusual event. Please don't comment on article quality until its had a chance to expand. The options involved need articles and major expansion too. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Abkhazia is not a fully recognised sovereign state and isn't particularly well known to most people. so I think it'd be prudent to also include that it's a region within the country of Georgia it's in essentially the same contested status as Crimea after the Russian invasion in 2008. Regardless, I think adding additional information to help people understand roughly where on Earth this has happened is needed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Abhkazia isn't a real country, it's a Russian proxy-state, the People's Assembly is only recognized by four countries. We shouldn't be posting updates about it to ITN. For example, we didn't post about the 2024 Abkhazian protests, which resulted in the collapse and resignation of Abkhazia's government. Scuba 15:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see why the political status of this place would be a factor. Surely if the mayor of Buffalo killed his opponent while running for Governor, it would be successfully nominated here - and I doubt anyone would claim that the murder of one's opponent isn't ITN because New York State isn't a country. Nfitz (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, but you're missing the fact this would be if the Canadian pretend government of Buffalo had a former mayor shoot members of the city council. It's just a normal murder, but the people involved are LARPing as politicians. Scuba 05:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Also this may be controversial to say but something like this happening in Buffalo would be such an extraordinary event in a fully integrated part of the world's dominant superpower that it would automatically be more notable than this happening in a tiny region occupied by the Russian army. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support pending article’s expansion. A politician shooting other politicians is very unusual, and the story appears to be in headlines across news outlets. I also subscribe to the opinion that the political status of Abkhazia is completely irrelevant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not a real country per Scuba. It's currently a two sentence stub. And to the extent it is getting news coverage, it's clearly not a major item. Politically motivated acts of violence are a near daily occurrence in the world. I'm not seeing anything that makes this stand out. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle but obviously quality is not there yet. Stub has even less information than the blurb. Khuft (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now I'd actually argue that this may be relevant for ITN precisely because it is about separatist politics that may or may not have local and diplomatic consequences. But the relevant articles are currenly stubs, and there's not much coverage from other sources. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, a fatal attack on any legislature is newsworthy let alone one where the suspect is a legislator thereof

675930s (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, Oppose on quality A long-serving and seemingly-respected mayor of a capital city publicly murdering his own political rival himself in broad daylight is an extremely unusual event, especially given it happened at the parliament building itself - however, the article is barely a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, sure political assassinations happen a lot but not directly by a sitting politician. There are few partially recognised states in the world such that the bar shouldn’t be much higher for news coming from them

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Extremely rare event: high-level political assassination by a politician. While Abkhazia is not well-recognized, it is de facto a sovereign state, thus making this not much different in terms of notability than the federal politics of a well-recognized state. However, the article is only 2 sentences long, and thus nowhere near substantial enough to blurb. -insert valid name here- (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• support seems very notable. If something like this happened in the US, France, or China, there would be no question as to if it should be posted. I see no reason as to why it shouldnt be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8d80:562:a38f:9aca:9cef:3ee:598c (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment — The blurb does not state that Kharazia is a suspect. I have added an alternative blurb. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on Notability but Oppose on quality This is definitely notable enough for ITN however article is still a stub and is nowhere near to being posted TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Armed dispute between collaborators in a glorified Russian military district. Really not internationally notable at all. If this happened in the Georgian parliament it would be notable. Also the article is very poor and articles about Abkhazian politics are generally not in good condition. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Those making claims that this isn't notable because Abkhazia is a Russian proxy-state created in 2008 shouldn't forget that it's been an autonomous republic continuously since 1921. At that time, the majority of today's countries didn't have any form of autonomy. This doesn't mean that Abkhazia isn't part of Georgia, but its status hasn't changed a lot with the Russo-Georgian War.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle – Article is too short at the moment. Also, all the comments saying it's not news because it's Russian occupied doesn't make the news any less significant. You can disagree with Abkhazia's political status but that does not minimize notability. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and quality alone. I do think those seeking to downplay this event seem to not understand how uncommon it is for someone to just shoot your political rival in broad daylight, at least in modern society where we frown on duels (Looking at you Aaron Burr). The exact impacts of this? Hard to tell, but I don't think the legal status of the country should matter, we're talking about two persons who had some level of power, acknowledgment nonwithstanding. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on size per above, Oppose both blurb and alt-blurb. If it is posted then the partially recognized status of Abkhazia should be noted. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: How about posting Vakhtang Golandzia to RD? That's a bad idea, but so posting 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability. Article needs serious work though.

DannyC55 (Talk) 22:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Michael Leunig

Article: Michael Leunig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian cartoonist Stephen 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Somebody has marked various [citation needed], once they are fixed it is good to go. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Mazan Rape trial

Article: Mazan rapes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dominique Pelicot and 46 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Dominique Pelicot and 50 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sunuraju (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Southdevonian (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: International reporting. Of huge significance to those campaigning against sexual violence in France and elsewhere. 51 men were convicted of sexual crimes, but unsure how best to convey the nuance of these in a blurb. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support, worldwide notable 2804:388:4125:E522:1:0:7D84:2D89 (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Please elaborate. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Note: there is an ongoing WP:RM to move to "Mass rape of Gisèle Pélicot". I suspect most people are more familiar with her name than with the location. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support - the BBC wording is "50 men sentenced in mass rape trial", Le Monde "All 51 defendants found guilty of rape or sexual assault", NYT "50 Others Guilty". I think that the blurb should express that it was Dominique Pelicot + 50. Turini2 (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• I am concerned at the excessive level of detail of the trial events. In most cases of such trials, we aim to summarize key points, not a day-by-day documenting which that is approaching. --Masem (t) 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support This case has been covered by the media across the world and the article is of good quality. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Major case in France also receiving attention beyond the country. A better with more context might be needed (country etc). Gotitbro (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Been in the news internationally. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Support, propose altblurb - I support the article's inclusion for quality (significant prose, well cited) and notability, but propose an altblurb to correct the number of men sentenced (see above). Also curious about rewording depending on the conclusion of the RFC RM. ~Malvoliox (talk

Support, important trial in France that also echoes in other countries, with big international reach in media. --Cart (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen: Gisèle Pelicot is an article itself. 2804:1B3:9700:9FC1:1184:91FC:CF68:64EE (talk) 01:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Agree that we could tag her article as well (though keep the article on the trial the bold link) ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 02:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I think the rapes perpetrated upon Mme. Pelicot were serial rapes, not a mass rape or mass rapes. Compare with mass killing vs. serial killings. I see someone above notes the BBC's use of mass rape trial but I think there, mass refers to the number of defendants on trial rather than the number of times she was raped. —⁠71.105.243.101 (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I would also say the description "mass rape" gives an inaccurate idea. Kingsif (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

December 18

Portal:Current events/2024 December 18

December 18, 2024 (2024-12-18) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Syrian opposition Hadi al-Bahra, President of the National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, says that the coalition will dissolve once a national conference is convened and a constituent assembly is elected, and demands that the current transitional government be "credible, inclusive and not founded on sectarian bases". (North Press Agency) Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev says that arms sent by France to Armenia pose a threat to Azerbaijan. (Trend News Agency) Disasters and accidents 2024 Mumbai boat accident At least 15 people are killed after an Indian Navy craft collides with a passenger ferry off the coast of Mumbai, India. (The Hindu) 2024 San Fernando Airport runway excursion A Bombardier Challenger 300 aircraft, registration LV-GOK from Punta del Este, Uruguay, suffered an excursion and went off the runway while trying to land at the San Fernando International Airport in the Province of Buenos Aires, Argentina, colliding with the front of a home in a neighborhood bordering the airport. (Buenos Aires Herald) Ibadan Christmas funfair crowd crush Thirty-five children are killed and six others are injured in a crowd crush during a Christmas funfair in Ibadan, Nigeria. (BBC News) Twenty-five people are killed and dozens of others are missing when a boat capsizes on a river in Inongo, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Twenty people are killed and five others are rescued in a shipwreck carrying migrants sinking off the coast of Sfax, Tunisia. (AP) Health and environment Russian state media agency TASS claims that the nation developed an mRNA cancer vaccine, which is planned to be distributed to patients free of charge beginning next year. However, the Russian Ministry of Health has not provided any evidence to support their claim that the vaccine treats cancer. (The Times of India) (TASS) (Newsweek) California, United States, declares a state of emergency over bird flu. (The New York Times) International relations China–United States relations Chinese espionage in the United States Two Americans of Chinese descent plead guilty to running a covert secret police surveillance stations on behalf of the Chinese Ministry of Public Security to monitor, threaten and coerce ethnic Chinese in Chinatown, Manhattan, New York City, NY. At least 100 such stations have been reported worldwide across 53 countries, with human rights monitoring NGOs accusing China of using the outposts to threaten and monitor Chinese nationals abroad. (BBC) Indonesia–Philippines relations Mary Jane Veloso, a former inmate on death row in Indonesia, is repatriated to the Philippines following negotiations between the two countries. (Reuters) Malaysia–United States relations The U.S. Department of Defense repatriates two al-Qaeda members, Mohammed Farik Bin Amin and Mohammed Nazir Bin Lep, from Guantanamo Bay to Malaysia, where they will undergo a rehabilitation process before reintegration into society. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings In his first direct comments on the issue, president Joe Biden states there is "nothing nefarious, apparently" and "no sense of danger so far" behind the aircraft sightings. (NBC News) Legal affairs of the Tate brothers The Westminster Magistrates' Court rules that British police may seize £2.2 million (US$2.5 million) from influencer Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan for allegedly failing to pay taxes on profits from their online ventures. (DW) The Dutch Data Protection Authority fines Netflix €4.75 million ($4.98 million) for failing to properly inform subscribers about the handling of their personal data between 2018 and 2020. (Al Arabiya) Eleven people are killed and two others are injured in an arson attack on a bar in Hanoi, Vietnam. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 Georgian presidential election, 2024 Georgian parliamentary election, 2024 Georgian post-election protests In an address to the European Parliament, Georgian President Salome Zourabichvili urges the European Union to economically and politically pressure the current Georgian government into holding new elections, claiming that recent elections represented a "new form of invasion" by Russia. (Euronews) (AP) 2024 Irish general election Simon Harris tenders his resignation as Taoiseach to President Michael D Higgins. (Irish Independent) The parliament building of Liberia catches on fire amid anti-government protests condemning the attempted removal of House Speaker Jonathan F. Koffa. (AP) (BBC) Sports 2024 FIFA Intercontinental Cup In association football, Real Madrid wins the inaugural FIFA Intercontinental Cup after defeating Pachuca 3–0 in the final in Lusail, Qatar. Vinícius Júnior is awarded the Golden Ball. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Sigrid Kehl

Article: Sigrid Kehl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VRT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Operatic singer, first mezzo then dramatic soprano, for more than 35 years "voice and face of the Leipzig Opera", then in East Germany, but she was one of the few who could also perform in Naples, Vienna, Geneva ... Unusually, she performed both Fricka and Brünnhilde in the same legendary Ring production, in her transition to soprano. The article was there, prepared by a good version in German, but references had to be applied and retrieved. Last addition after seeking help from Benutzer:Brodkey65. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: coverage seems thorough, supported by diverse sources --PaulBetteridge (talk) 16:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Article is in good shape. --ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 06:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above TheHiddenCity (talk) 14:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 09:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rik Van Looy

Article: Rik Van Looy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VRT
Credits:

• Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
• Updated by LM383 (talk · give credit), Honziczek (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article still needs work despite the 34 references. Borderline blurb-worthy, one of the all-time greatest cyclists (2 times world champion, 2nd most professional wins, won all classics), but would be nice to at least get him into RD. Fram (talk) 15:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Quite a few footnote-free paragraphs in the prose. Date and place of birth are in the infobox, but no sources were provided (these should be footnoted in the main prose). The Records section has no sources. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Marsden

Article: John Marsden (writer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian writer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Perry J. Dahl

Article: Perry J. Dahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Neptune Society
Credits:

• Nominated by Toadboy123 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American flying ace during World War II Toadboy123 (talk) 01:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose The death was on December 2, and is thus not recent. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@MtPenguinMonster: was only announced on 17 December though. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support - a very fine article ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• More than long enough with 1000+ words of prose. Formatting looks fine. Coverage of his life and career seems adequate. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. Apart from a blockquote, Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio looks READY for RD, except that I ain't sure if the source for his death is solid enough (I am not familiar with the Neptune Society as a source.) Can another admin take a look, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's an obituary from the funeral home/cremation provider. Sometimes families forego placing longer obits, or news outlets/other sources take longer to write up something (this was also how Melinda Dillon's death was originally discovered). Connormah (talk) 17:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 09:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

December 17

Portal:Current events/2024 December 17

December 17, 2024 (2024-12-17) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war War crimes in the Syrian civil war, Fall of the Assad regime Syrian mass graves Several mass graves are uncovered across Syria following the fall of the Assad regime, with a site in Al-Qutayfah, Rif Dimashq Governorate, estimated to contain the remains of at least 100,000 people. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Israel Katz visit the summit of Mount Hermon which was captured by the Israel Defense Forces last week. (The New York Times) The IDF continue invading Syria beyond the 1974 buffer zone in Quneitra Governorate and take control of the Al-Wehda Dam on the Yarmouk River. (JFeed) Operation Dawn of Freedom Senior American officials report that Turkey is building up its forces along the Syrian border, raising fears of a possible ground invasion of territories held by the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces. (The Wall Street Journal) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, head of the NBC Protection Troops, and his assistant are assassinated by an IED hidden inside of an e-scooter in Moscow, Russia. A Ukrainian source claims that the Security Service of Ukraine is responsible for the killings, after Kirilov was charged in absentia yesterday for the use of chemical weapons, which made him a "legitimate target". Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, says that the Ukrainian leadership would face an "imminent revenge" for the killings. (BBC News) (Deccan Herald) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russia–NATO relations NATO's Security Assistance and Training for Ukraine command center in Wiesbaden, Germany, takes over coordination of Western military support to Ukraine from the United States. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Two police officers are killed and three others are injured in a mass shooting at a security checkpoint in Shangla district, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Three police officers are killed and two more are wounded by a roadside bomb targeting a vehicle carrying polio workers in Dera Ismail Khan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (ABC News) Mexican drug war Two municipal policeman were killed and three civilians were wounded in an attack near the Jerécuaro-Apaseo el Alto state highway in Jerécuaro, Guanajuato, finding about 200 bullet casing in the site. In the same day four elements of the State Public Security Forces were killed and two more were wounded after a confrontation with gunmen in the city of Uriangato. Security elements from all levels of government deployed a combined operation to try to found the responsible ot the attacks. (Milenio Noticias) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season The death toll in Mozambique from Cyclone Chido increase to 34, with more than 23,000 homes destroyed. (DW) 2024 Port Vila earthquake A 7.4 magnitude earthquake strikes Vanuatu's capital Port Vila, with at least 14 people killed and more than 200 others injured. (RNZ) Health and environment 2024 Kwango province malaria outbreak The Democratic Republic of the Congo's Health Ministry announces that the mystery illness that has left at least 143 people dead in Kwango is actually a severe form of malaria. The World Health Organization says more malaria vaccines are being sent to its health centres in the region. (The Guardian) Law and crime 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings The U.S. House Intelligence Committee hold a closed-door classified briefing on drone sightings over the Northeastern United States. The briefing is provided by Federal Bureau of Investigation, the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, according to senior U.S. officials. (ABC News) (NBC News) Killing of Brian Thompson A U.S. grand jury indicts Luigi Mangione for the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. (NBC News) Murder of Sara Sharif English High Court judge John Cavanagh sentences Urfan Sharif and Beinash Batool to life imprisonment for the murder of Sharif's 10-year-old daughter Sara. (ABS-CBN News) Canadian-American anti-whaling activist Paul Watson is released from prison in Greenland after Denmark declines Japan's extradition request. (Al Jazeera) Mexican Drug War Three foreigners were arrested and one ton of cocaine was seized by Mexican Navy elements in an operation wich took plece near the coasts of Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán.(El Universal) Politics and elections Second presidential transition of Donald Trump The U.S. Electoral College formally certifies President-elect Donald Trump's victory over Vice President Kamala Harris in the 2024 United States presidential election. (WNYW-TV) (CNN) Switzerland's Federal Assembly votes 126–20 with 41 abstentions to outlaw membership or support of Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. (The New Arab)

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(Posted) RD: Nicholas Chia

Article: Nicholas Chia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The 3rd Catholic Archbishop of Singapore. This was in a resume-ish format before I rewrote into prose and add some sources as well. Still a bit more to go for a minimum ITN pass; putting up here first. There are at least two notable events while he was in the office, which I will add on in the coming days. – robertsky (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Article expanded. – robertsky (talk) 00:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: article has been expanded successfully; there seems to be adequate sourced coverage – PaulBetteridge (talk) 07:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 08:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Igor Kirillov

Article: Igor Kirillov (general) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk · give credit)
• Created by o po (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian general died this morning in an explosion. Ukrainian responsibility not confirmed yet. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Ukraine (SBU) claimed responsibility. Grimes2 (talk) 22:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Article needs a tidy-up before it is postable. There is at least one CN tag. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

   Done Grimes2 (talk) 11:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support - looks good enough. Thanks, Grimes2 ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Well done fixing those cn tags. Looks good now. Yakikaki (talk) 21:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Port Vila earthquake

Article: 2024 Port Vila earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A M_w 7.3 earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital Port Vila. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 7.3 Mw earthquake hits Vanuatu's capital Port Vila.
News source(s): Magnitude 7.4 earthquake strikes near Vanuatu capital, BBC, Reuters, The Guardian, USGS
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The epicentre is 30 km from Port Vila, and a shallow 7.3 Mw strike will have caused significant damage in a town of 50,000 people. At the moment, there is one reported fatality; the true death number will be much higher. The situation will become much clearer over the next 24 hours. Schwede66 08:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support There has been extensive damage to many buildings in Port Vila. This is the 4th largest earthquake by magnitude, this year. At this point there are at least 6 confirmed casualties. HelloThereQuestionablePerson (talk) 11:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but lean support per nom. There a lot of unclear points in the article currently but this looks like it has potential to have a large impact ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Lean Support- Article is fleshed out and very well cited. My only objection is the lack of coverage on the human impact, both here and in the media. –DMartin 15:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for the impact to become clearer. There's certainly the potential for this to be a big deal. but at present the news reports are mostly anecdotes and remote seismology. Things should become clearer once the authorities on the island make announcements and those reach the media. Modest Genius ^talk 15:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support — Well-sources, no major tags. Article has been developed enough considering Vanuatu's communication is down. Uncommon for an earthquake in Vanuatu to be so destructive. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 17:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support - The earthquake has caused quite a lot number of casualties, and it is rare for such a large earthquake to occur in Vanuatu. The references in this article are also good. Bakhos | Let's talk! 18:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support: article in good shape and event is notable. Improvements can always be made, of course, but it doesn't need to be able to cross the bar of GA or similar just yet. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Support: Major event and the article looks good enough. Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Marking this as ready. Schwede66 03:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) US drone sightings

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Article: 2024 New Jersey drone sightings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Widespread sightings of unidentified drones are reported across the United States. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drones-new-jersey-what-we-know/
Credits:

• Nominated by Departure– (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Anne drew (talk · give credit), Very Polite Person (talk · give credit) and Chetsford (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Let me be perfectly clear: I don't want this posted, and I foresee a SNOW close as consensus against posting. I don't want this to be on ITN and I'm nominating it so we can get it out of the way, and give ITN a precedent about what is in my opinion absolutely nothing but political banter and public paranoia following the recent occurrences of exhibit A and exhibit B and now exhibit C all coming amidst exhibit D. If nothing else, I want to hear people's more specific reasons for why this should be posted more than anything. I also want ITN to reality-check me on whether or not this is as big of a story as the news media is blowing it up to be. Departure– (talk) 00:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment why are you nominating if you do not want this to be posted? Please do not try to "game" the system. There is no need to "hear other's opinions" until this is properly nominated (by someone who wants it to be posted). Natg 19 (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  That's exactly what I thought, ITN isn't the place for discussion. TansoShoshen (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support if the blurb can be modified to a less affirmative statement like "allegedly unidentified drones" or something like that. While we apparently have RS that confirm drones have been spotted and those drones are unidentified, we don't have any RS that say this is "widespread" (rather, the belief in sightings seems to be what's widespread) and the expert consensus is triangulating toward the idea that almost all of these are misidentification of aircraft. But it is, in fact "in the news" so I suppose meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Moreover, it's not our job to protect humanity from delusion. Also, thanks to the excellent work of @Anne drew: and @Very Polite Person:, this article is as sober as possible to make it given the sources. Chetsford (talk) 00:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  Easy fix for your concern re Blurb:

  Widespread reports of unidentified drones in the United States, beginning in New Jersey.

  How about that? As neutral as you can get and slips Jersey in, as the media/awareness as the main locus of it all. cc @Departure– & @Natg 19. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The article is up-to-date and outlines the major facets of this event (reported sightings, investigations, responses, and explanations). It is well referenced using reliable sources. The event is significant politically, drawing commentary from political leaders at every level of government and prompting the introduction of legislation. It has been internationally reported by many newspapers of record. There is relevance outside of the US, with events described as related being reported in the UK and Germany (see the background section). The coverage has been widespread, but also with deep coverage by outlets such as The New York Times, CBS, and The Guardian. The article is of decent quality; although the edits have been coming in rapidly, I think we've kept it fairly organized and balanced. Cheers Chetsford, it's been a pleasure working with you on it :) – Anne drew 01:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support posting to ITN as extremely (very) timely, and with zero indication this is going away--if anything, looking at the news and reports every night, it's accellerating, as nuts as that is to even write. Whatever it is, people are interested in it to where they're forcing Biden and Trump to speak out now (Biden is certainly next--Trump was today). There's no reason to not put it up, so we may as well. The article is extremely thoroughly sourced and nearly boringly written, like a proper article should be. Like @Chetsford said, it's very, very sober. As soon as this started to pick up steam and I noticed the article, that's why I immediately posted it to Fringe theories/Noticeboard (link to thread) for more eyes. I think it's timely, necessary, and for a Frankenstein of an article, shockingly well written already and beyond thoroughly sourced. h/t and a half to @Anne drew for the bad-ass copy-editing (she beat me to it!). 2024 New Jersey drone sightings sails past any scrutiny related to policy. I get some of us think it's nonsense. Maybe it is. But our personal views are always irrelevant to mission. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose we don't post conspiracy theories to ITN. Scuba 01:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  What's the conspiracy theory? The Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Homeland Security and New York Governor confirmed they're real. Not all of them, certainly, but we're past from all levels of government the idea it's all some mass delusion. The WP:RS in the article spell it out. We've been beyond methodical in keeping the article factual against sources. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  So true! The Iranian mother-ship off the coast is spying on Bergen county! The Drones are real! Scuba 02:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on account of the fact that the only real way to describe the events in question are "something is happening". It doesn't seem that the government believes them to be threatening. I think if you compare to the balloon, that was eventually ascribed as being Chinese, and even if the eventual diplomatic impacts of it were little, it WAS an international affair of sorts. If it's found out that these drones are the work of foreign agents, that's a big deal, but right now the only real impacts we've seen from them, to my knowledge, have been minor airport disruptions, which aren't exactly uncommon anyway. Very possible this ends up being a nothingburger, covered extensively or not. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Given how much wacky conspiracy theories and other nonsense from the extreme political spectrum, this is not a real news story. Should they prove to be anything legit (like the Chinese weather balloon from a few years back), then maybe there's something to post. --Masem (t) 02:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - People have been sighting UFOs for decades. The fact that the news cycle has latched onto these sightings for whatever reason doesn't make them actually notable. –DMartin 04:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Whatever or whoever this is, it’s something. That has drawn the attention of the political, military, civilian and media worlds, the latter putting this story at the front of the news from top to bottom of the media spectrum. Opposers fail to convince that this story is unworthy of ITN, and the article, as noted, is carefully sourced and written from a strong NPOV, a credit to Wikipedia. I suggest a posting admin take the strength, and lack of strength, of the arguments into consideration. “In the News?” Absolutely all over the news, for several cycles now. Jusdafax (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Except that WP is not a news ticker. Just because a story is well-covered in the news does not make it appropriate for ITN, particularly as there's no yet firm explanation for what's going on. Front page is not good for speculative stories that just have happened to catch the media's attention. — Masem (t) 04:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Well, we disagree, that’s all. I don’t for one minute buy the “not a news ticker” argument, with all due respect to you. That could be used on any news item. To quote the main ITN entry “ The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. ITN supports the central purpose of Wikipedia—making a great encyclopedia.” This is the lede paragraph at ITN. And at the end: “ Events are added based on a consensus on the ITN candidates page, using two main criteria: a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments.” The quality is good, the significance high, the material updated. Consensus is established by the weight of the discussers, not the number, as you well know. Again, with more due respect, in my opinion all I’m seeing from opposers here is WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
      • "making a great encyclopedia" is important - the problem is that the drone sightings are questionable right now as an encyclopedic topic per NOTNEWS. There's no indication this is going to be an event that will have enduring coverage yet, because there's tons of speculation of what they are and no immediate threats. If it turns out there were a foreign entity that would lead to diplomatic issues, maybe there's something. But with all the wacky theories and explanations to try to explain them, its like claims of UFO sightings, its interesting but not something that WP should readily be documenting at this point. — Masem (t) 13:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Suggestion for alternate blurb: Investigations by the U.S. Government and independent experts fail to find anything anomalous related to the 2024 New Jersey drone sightings. References: [2], [3], [4], etc. Chetsford (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — There is no indication what these objects are; most of them the videos depict planes. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose That some people have become so panicked or conspiratorial that the USA government has had to intervene is not only ridiculous but irrelevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Has there been a contemporaneous example of mass hysteria that made it onto ITN? Ornithoptera (talk) 06:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose local news Kowal2701 (talk) 07:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Nothing special seems to have been found so far but investigations are ongoing. In the meantime, I like the story about the murder of crows, which seems more seasonal. Watch the skies! Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose If people with tinfoil hats want to believe that videos of aircraft and Venus (which 95% of these things are) are posing a major threat to the USA, it probably needs to stay on X and other nuthatch meeting places. I suppose the fact that this nonsense has made it into the actual news and the fact that the DHS has said there are a few real sightings makes the story itself somewhat notable even as an exercise in how conspiracy theories spread, but nothing more than that. Black Kite (talk) 08:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose And WP:TROUT to the nominator, enwiki specifically avoids WP:POINT edits. Gotitbro (talk) 08:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose because nothing much has actually happened. Beyond that, if the nominator of an item doesn't want it to go forward to the home page (for instance because new facts come to light, or the story is overtaken by another, related one), we generally close the nomination unless there is an excellent reason not to. I'm therefore calling for a procedural close of this item. Users ought not to make proposals they do not want to see carried out; trying to achieve a negative result so as to establish some kind of benchmark or precedent is, as Gotitbro observes, a violation of WP:POINT; it's also unlikely to succeed, as users generally (correctly) invoke WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS when people try to rely too strongly such precedents. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not trying to disrupt the wiki or anything; from my perspective, I just wrote a neutrally-worded and properly attributed blurb with a built-in oppose vote and that's all. I would have opposed this if and when it was nominated anyway. But I see your point and I'll try to avoid opening nominations for this in the future. I will stand by the point that as of now this event is more or less nothing. Departure– (talk) 13:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's a mystery for sure, but unless/until there's some public announcement of who is responsible or determination that something nefarious is going on, there's no actual impact yet. 'Something unusual happened, but we don't know what it is, who is responsible or what the impact might be' isn't suitable for an ITN blurb. Separately, I find the nomination comments bizarre and counterproductive - if you don't think this should be posted, simply don't nominate it. Seems like a deliberate waste of time. Modest Genius ^talk 15:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, oppose for now. Until something actually happens, this really shouldn't be on ITN. Keep in mind this isn't affecting my !vote, but 99% of these are almost certainly civilian-operated aircraft, hobbyist drones, or Venus. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and SNOW Close per GenevieveDEon. If the nominator himself opposes the nomination, why is this even up? This has been mere trivia here in Europe (if covered at all). Maybe the news cycle was particularly slow in the US when this emerged. Khuft (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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December 16

Portal:Current events/2024 December 16

December 16, 2024 (2024-12-16) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria The Cabinet of Israel approves a plan proposing to double the occupied Golan Heights' regional Israeli settlers population. (BBC News) Heavy overnight Israeli airstrikes are reported in Tartus Governorate, Syria. (The Times of Israel) Fall of the Assad regime Syrian mass graves A recently created mass grave containing the bodies of 17 executed Syrian Army soldiers is discovered in the Syrian Desert near Deir ez-Zor. (SOHR) In his first public statement since being overthrown, former Syrian president Bashar al-Assad says that he "didn't intend to leave Syria", claiming that he went to Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia Governorate to "oversee combat operations" only to find that the Syrian Army had abandoned their positions and surrendered to rebel forces. Amid "an intensified attack by drone strikes" at the air base, Assad says that Russia decided to airlift him to Moscow. (BBC News) Sectarianism and minorities in the Syrian civil war The brother of the Imam of the Great Prophet Mosque of Masyaf is assassinated by unidentified gunmen, Hama Governorate, in a potential revenge operation, due to the Imam being associated with Hezbollah and other Iranian- and Shia-associated militias. (SOHR) US intervention in the Syrian civil war The US Air Force conduct strikes targeting ISIS camps and operatives, killing one dozen ISIS fighters according to the Pentagon. (US Department of Defense) Israel–Hamas war The Gaza Health Ministry announces that the death toll in the ongoing war has surpassed 45,000. (Al Jazeera) Mexican Drug War An improvised device exploded left two soldiers dead and five elements injuried, ocurred near Los Gallineros locality, Cotija de la Paz, Michoacán. The next day, the general of the Secretariat of National Defense, Ricardo Trevilla Trejo pointed to Cárteles Unidos to be behind the attack.(Revista Proceso)(Política Expansión) Health and environment 2024 Australia heat wave Walpeup, Victoria, Australia, reports a temperature of 47.1 °C (116.8 °F), the hottest temperature reported in the state since 2019. Extreme heat wave warnings and fire risk warnings are also issued for areas across Australia. (The Guardian) (ABC News Australia) Law and crime 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas calls for state National Guards to be given the authority to shoot down unidentified drones, saying that the federal government is not able to address the issue by themselves. (The Telegraph) U.S. officials say that a drone detection system is being deployed in New York following a formal request by Governor Kathy Hochul. (BBC News) The United States Air Force confirms that Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio had to temporarily suspend air operations for four hours on Friday and Saturday after the airbase reported sightings of unidentified "small unmanned aerial systems". (CNN) President-elect Donald Trump cancels a planned visit to Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey amid drone sightings in the state. Trump also calls on outgoing President Joe Biden and the U.S. military to reveal the truth about the drones, saying that "the government knows what's happening" and that they know where the drones are coming from. (The Times of India) Abundant Life Christian School shooting Two people are killed and six others are injured in a mass shooting at the Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, United States. The perpetrator is found dead at the scene. (CNN) Bolivian prosecutors issue an arrest warrant for former President Evo Morales in connection to sexual abuse allegations that he fathered a child with a 15-year-old girl, a claim he denies. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 German government crisis, 2025 German federal election German Chancellor Olaf Scholz loses a vote of confidence, thereby allowing for early elections to be held on February 23. (BBC News) Resignation of Chrystia Freeland Chrystia Freeland resigns as Canada's Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance amid disagreements with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on increased government spending and how to handle possible U.S. tariffs imposed by the incoming Trump administration. (Reuters) President of Kyrgyzstan Sadyr Japarov announces that he has dismissed Akylbek Japarov as Prime Minister. (Reuters) The Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle expels former Indonesian President Joko Widodo, his son Vice President Gibran Rakabuming and his son-in-law, North Sumatra Governor-elect Bobby Nasution, following a rift over Rakabuming's candidacy as Prabowo Subianto's running mate during the 2024 election. (Bloomberg)

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(New) Canada political crisis

Article: Resignation of Chrystia Freeland (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canadian Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland resigns from the government due to policy disagreements with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, sparking a political crisis. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Reported around the world and a story seizing Canada at the moment. Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dick Van Arsdale

Article: Dick Van Arsdale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball player, 3-time NBA All-Star. —Bagumba (talk) 10:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Marking ready, as days without an objection.—Bagumba (talk) 09:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 01:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Macoto Takahashi

Article: Macoto Takahashi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News, ComicBook.com
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Morgan695 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Highly influential manga artist. Died in November, but death was only announced today. Morgan695 (talk) 20:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Support. Article is fairly short but everything appears to be cited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 16:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Abundant Life Christian School shooting

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Article: Abundant Life Christian School shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Three people are killed and six others are injured in a school shooting at the Abundant Life Christian School (pictured) in Madison, Wisconsin, United States. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloxzge 025 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 2024 December 17 (UTC)

• Comment Reopened as I believe the closure to be inappropriate since it was premature. There were no comments here so it can't be concluded that consensus wouldn't develop for a posting. A reminder to closers that they should assess the consensus, not create it. Noah, BSBA^Talk 04:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as shootings of this magnitude are common within the United States. There have been several events with more fatalities than this one since 2024 began. Noah, BSBA^Talk 04:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:SNOW close. Gotitbro (talk) 05:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• The 83rd school shooting in America this year. I don't like your chances of a consensus developing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and SNOW close another day, another shooting in the USA. Sad routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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December 15

Portal:Current events/2024 December 15

December 15, 2024 (2024-12-15) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war December 2024 Nuseirat refugee camp attack Al Jazeera cameraman Ahmad Al-Louh is killed in an Israeli airstrike on a civil defense point in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza. (WAFA) (anews) Syrian civil war 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria Israeli Air Force fighter jets strike surface-to-air missile and weapon depots in Tartus Governorate, Syria, with the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights describing the strikes as the heaviest in the region since the start of the civil war. (AFP via Barron's) Business and economy Free trade agreements of the United Kingdom The United Kingdom joins the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, becoming the 12th member and the first European member. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season Thousands of people are believed to have been killed by Cyclone Chido in the French overseas department of Mayotte, with the cyclone also causing damage in the Comoros and Mozambique. (The Independent) 2024 Kerch Strait oil spill At least one person is killed when two Russian oil tankers, Volgoneft-212 and Volgoneft-236, are damaged due to bad weather in the Kerch Strait with oil from the tankers actively leaking into the strait. (NOS) (CNN) International relations Australia–Indonesia relations Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announces that the remaining five members of the Bali Nine drug-trafficking group, who were serving life sentences in Indonesia, have returned to Australia following an agreement between the two countries to end their imprisonment. (CNN) Ireland–Israel relations Israel announces that it will close its embassy in Dublin, Ireland, over Ireland's alleged "extreme anti-Israel policies". (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby says that the United States Coast Guard has confirmed that there is no evidence of any "foreign-based involvement" in the unidentified drones that are being sighted over the Northeastern United States. (The Times of India via MSN) ABC News settles a defamation lawsuit filed by U.S. President-elect Donald Trump over statements made on air by anchor George Stephanopoulos about the E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump lawsuits, with ABC agreeing to pay $15 million to the Trump presidential library as well as $1 million for legal fees. (AP)

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RD: Jean Adamson

Article: Jean Adamson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:80C6:3571:686F:3F52 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kat Wylfa (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British children's author and creator of Topsy and Tim. 240F:7A:6253:1:80C6:3571:686F:3F52 (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: in my view, sources are too often absent or unclear; there also seems to be some direct copying from sources which may not be appropriate; and I wonder about the structure of the whole article, which has a lot of sections and may not properly reflect the subject's life--PaulBetteridge (talk) 16:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

RD/blurb: Zakir Hussain

Article: Zakir Hussain (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian tabla player and classical musician Zakir Hussain dies at the age of 73. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The hindu Times of India npr, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian tabla player, composer, percussionist Spworld2 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Deserves attention. Death of a musician who has done a lot in his career and background is definitely notable. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment Shouldn't this be moved to 15 December since he died at 11 PM, Sunday (UTC) NDTV i.e, 4pm in San Francisco time The AP (talk) 06:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done jlwoodwa (talk) 17:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• I haven't yet evaluated the article's quality, but there's an argument for a blurb here; Hussain was among the most famous Indian classical musicians, and certainly the most famous player of his chosen instrument. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb oppose on quality - I have added a bunch of sources for his soundtracks and awards but couldn't find an appropriate source for 2000 Istanbul International Film Festival (Turkey) ; help would be appreciated The AP (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb as article lacks any claim for why he was a major/great figure outside one line in the lede. If he was such an important figure in bringing Indian music to worldwide audiences, I'd expect a decent sized legacy section to explain this, not just a passing statement. Masem (t) 19:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  Zakir Hussain has long been recognised as one of the most major exponents of Tabla for over thirty years. He is the son of Ustad Allah Rakkah, who was Tabla player for Ravi Shankar. He has a huge discography and has performed thousands of concerts to worldwide acclaim. Majormiser (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  Lots of performers have huge discographies and have played concerts worldwide, that is not what makes them great/major figures. We need a sufficiently good amount (eg not just one statement) of sourced content to explain that legacy beyond just performances. That might be possible to add from the various obits going around, but without that, its not clear to the casual reader why we'd post this person as a blurb. — Masem (t) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  While a legacy section has been added, it is really weak and just including brief quotes from obits. It should be far better connected, looking for sources pre-death that establish this. Also, while the discography I see is bulk sourced, the filmography and soundtrack sections have no sourcing, so that remains a problem for even an RD. --Masem (t) 05:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb not international news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
  • That's a completely invalid reason. ITN items do not have to have international coverage to be considered. And in this case, that's just a falsehood since there's plenty of western sources covering his death. --Masem (t) 02:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Blurb definitely seems worthy, Great Norwegian Encyclopedia[5] (translated): "Hussain was of great importance for the development of the tabla as a solo instrument and to make the instrument known internationally." Though agree with Masem that in article attribution needs to be shown. Gotitbro (talk) 07:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Definitely support Blurb. He was among the most famous/prominent (if not the most) Table players. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD and blurb Probably the most famous tabla player. Death reported by western media outlets as well. Article is of good quality but has 1 cn tag. TNM101 (chat) 05:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I have fixed the cn tag The AP (talk) 07:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD-Nizil (talk) 08:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Where are the references for the sections "Filmography" and "Soundtracks"? Schwede66 01:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Added references for both sections. Pachu Kannan (talk) 06:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD and blurb Pachu Kannan (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: A spot-check of the discography refs shows multiple items in the table not listed in either given ref (approximately half of the ones I checked), such as Summit, The One and Only, When Words Disappear, Veru, Morning Ragas, etc. Spencer^T•C 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, not blurb Important, but doesn't quite rise to the status of a blurb. 1779Days (talk) 14:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Cyclone Chido

Article: Cyclone Chido (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Chido makes landfall in Mozambique, and kills more than 89 people in Mayotte. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cyclone Chido kills at least 123 people in southern Africa.
News source(s): AP, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)
• Created by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrJaydenfire (talk • contribs) 20:40, 2024 December 15 (UTC)

• Oppose – Until orange tags are addressed. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 23:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Support – Orange tags addressed, article quality improved, significant disaster. There is still space for improvement but the article is suitable for feature. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 17:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality until article updated and including information on the impact for all countries. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per Joseph2302. This is obviously a major catastrophe, but the article does not reflect this and referencing is quite poor. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality due to multiple orange tags. The Kip ^(contribs) 08:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support orange tags addressed Kowal2701 (talk) 20:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is now at an acceptable level of quality. Update blurb before posting. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• I see an orange tag. Schwede66 14:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support I am going to expand and correct the meteorological history, as this storm was the deadliest since Kenneth in 2019. HurricaneEdgar 01:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  Please ping me when you are done, HurricaneEdgar. Schwede66 02:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: The meteorological history has been expanded and is now ready to be posted, as the issue has been addressed. HurricaneEdgar 06:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Very significant cyclone. 104.171.53.110 (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted By the way, HurricaneEdgar, that ping didn't work. You must place the mention AND your signature in the same edit, otherwise no ping gets triggered. Schwede66 02:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment It should be "southeast Africa" rather than "southern Africa" Kowal2701 (talk) 10:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Oil spill in the Kerch Strait

Article: 2024 Kerch Strait oil spill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least one person has died and approximately 3,700 tonnes of oil has been spilled after two Russian oil tankers were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Approximately 3,700 tonnes of oil has been spilled after two Russian oil tankers were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait.
News source(s): Kyiv Post ABC News Business Standard
Credits:

• Nominated by CommissarDoggo (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Of course the incident happened today, but I don't see the facts changing much until tomorrow. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait until the environmental toll becomes clear. I also recommend rewriting the blurb as something similar to "Two oil tankers cause an oil spill after being heavily affected by a storm in the Kerch Strait". Departure– (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense, yeah. I will note that it's not actually clear at the moment whether both of the vessels are leaking oil, what is clear is that Volgoneft-212 is. I'll definitely write a shorter altblurb though. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, I don't think the death toll is notable if it's only 1. Oil spills don't typically cause super high human fatalities, and since this is even below that bar, the death toll itself shouldn't be in the blurb. (Do not take this as an oppose vote.) Departure– (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

What about killing a vast number of non-human lifeforms? Also let please not use WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments if we can help it. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm talking about blurb syntax. I don't remember the last time we posted an oil spill but all eyes should be on the environmental consequences, not the one guy who died in the shipwreck. Departure– (talk) 22:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

We have posted major oil spills that had no initial loss of human life, such as Norilsk oil spill in 2020. We do need to get an idea of how much oil actually spilt, there's potential for a lot from the capacity of the ships but no word to the estimate of how many gallons actually spilled. — Masem (t) 22:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I realize I worded that weirdly. It's not an oppose vote, I'm just saying that the blurb we do post shouldn't include the single human fatality that has occurred so far. I'll wait to vote until the extent of damage to the environment becomes clearer. Departure– (talk) 22:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

We'll probably get an estimate some time tomorrow, with the storm apparently ongoing and it being around 01:17 in that area right now complicating things. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Abcmaxx and Masem. Oil spills are significant as they cause environmental disasters, and we have posted such events in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Update per Novaya Gazeta source: both the 212 and 239 had leaked oil. State media reports that both leaks have stopped, but a maximum of 3,000 tonnes of oil had been spilled into the environment. This is well below the figure of 17,500 from the Norilsk spill or indeed many other spills since then. I'm really not seeing much reason to post if these reports are to be believed. The most that could have theoretically leaked is between 9,000 and 10,000 tonnes. However, given the background of the Russo-Ukrainian war and the current state of Crimea and the location of the spill in the Kerch Strait region, this might just garner enough notability to be posted, but I'm not seeing that yet, as of 14:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC). I do think a lot of these oil spills should be posted, alongside derechoes as well (the August 2020 Midwest derecho was the costliest thunderstorm in history and was closed in nominations for being "not important in the context of wider US politics / etc" - I think Cedar Rapids was still dealing with damage repair earlier this year) - these events have significant impact that can be much wider than be deduced solely by news coverage. Departure– (talk) 14:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait/Oppose. Hard to know the exact environmental impacts that will be seen, many of which may not be apparent in the near future. Should this information come about soon, that would be a good time to reevaluate. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, it seems the tankers were mostly empty. Abductive (reasoning) 13:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  According to what sources? The sources currently added to the article and all current sources I'm finding are pretty clear, an estimate of 3,700 tonnes of heavy fuel oil being spilled from the two vessels combined, with one carrying 4,900 tonnes and the other carrying 4,300. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  That's their fuel, right? Their holds were empty of crude oil. Abductive (reasoning) 20:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  No, that's their cargo. They were transporting mazut, a type of heavy fuel oil. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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