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September 30

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September 30, 2014 (2014-09-30) (Tuesday)
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RD: Jerrie Mock

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Article: Jerrie Mock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Columbus Dispatch
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was the first woman to fly solo around the world, this seems to establish her as being at or near the top of her field (her field being female aviators). --Jinkinson talk to me 16:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to add I agree with TRM that improvement in references is needed. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely notable enough - but as stated, references need a lot of TLC. Challenger l (talk) 00:48, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not impressed with aviation "round the world" record claims. Those aiming for it are not required to cross the equator nor even to travel a distance equal to the full circumference of the earth. Neither Mock's article nor the reference allegedly supporting her "round the world" achievement tell us where she actually went. She obviously achieved a lot, but this is a crappily defined achievement. Can we drop that claim and just describe her as a great aviator? HiLo48 (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would completely agree if we were the ones making the claim, but that is what the sources in the article state, along with the aviation clubs mentioned in the article who accepted her accomplishments as a record. You have completely valid points- but they should be addressed to those who recognize this accomplishment as a record or achievement. As long as the relevant groups and sources recognize this as a record, we should state that they do. 331dot (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're advocating we post this on WP:ATTRIBUTE then, and that requires a blurp that calls her a great aviator according to Aviatrix Weekly or Airborne Heiresses. When we can't even objectively define what she did we can't claim she qualifies under any of the criteria. We are not forced by vague sources to ignore that any more than we are forced to list the first person to ride across the us on a lawnmower as a great lawnmowerist. μηδείς (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Not all record breakers or first-time doers are necessary leaders in the field, and I don't see that here beyond the "first woman to do so" (please note: not trying to trivialize the gender aspect, I'd argue the same about the death of the first man to circumnavigate, if that were offered). Or in terms of past ITN, her act at the time would have been the ITN point, but not her passing. --MASEM (t) 00:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Quite a list of world records and honours. Neljack (talk) 07:04, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • article not ready - more references needed. Almost none of the awards and achievements listed have citations and the Early life section is also completely unreferenced. If the claims are verifiable (and definable, per 331dot) then I'll probably offer my weak support, but not yet. Thryduulf (talk) 07:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. While gender-based records are notable for things like sporting events, gender is not particularly relevant to flying a plane (even if society supposedly deemed her unfit.) Wiley Post circumnavigated solo in 1933 (so circumnavigation was a pretty established thing when Mock did it in 1964), and Richarda Morrow-Tait did it in 1948-1949 with a navigator if we're going to look at gender. IRW0 (talk) 14:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • But the first is still the first? Surely, in the history of aviation as a whole, women have been hugely under-represented? We even still have a special gender-based word for them - aviatrix (which of course is now frowned upon). A bit late to nominate Morrow-Tait for RD, of course. I think we'd want to know how many women had ever circumnavigated the globe, or at least how many before 1964? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 29

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September 29, 2014 (2014-09-29) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • War in Donbass
    • Renewed clashes around the Donetsk International Airport between the pro-Russian rebels and Ukrainian government troops kill at least 12 people in the worst flareup of violence since the ceasefire accord earlier in September. (CBC)
International Relations
  • Argentina's central bank announces that it will pay the holders of its restructured debt Tuesday. Implicitly this indicates that it is ready to defy a U.S. federal court which has blocked such payments until the holders of hold-out bonds are included. (Reuters)

Politics and Elections

[Closed] US judge finds Argentina in contempt of court

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No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Argentine debt restructuring (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ US judge finds Argentina in contempt of court (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
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 Count Iblis (talk) 02:07, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm not convinced this is sufficiently significant, given that it is a decision of a first-instance judge in a case where Argentina denies the jurisdiction of the court and where the decision is likely to be largely symbolic because enforcement of the judgment will probably be precluded by the sovereign immunity that attaches to most property of the Argentine Government within the jurisdiction. Neljack (talk) 03:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment what is the significance of this finding? It's not clear from the nomination that this has any kind of impact anywhere. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Seeing very little news coverage of this. Also not clear on the impact or significance. This is not a case in an international body(which might have more significance) 331dot (talk) 10:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 28

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September 28, 2014 (2014-09-28) (Sunday)
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[Posted] Occupy Central with Love and Peace

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Article: Occupy Central with Love and Peace (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hong Kong police resorts to tear gas to disperse Occupy Central protesters occupying government headquarters, but thousands remain. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Benny Tai announces that Occupy Central is launched as Hong Kong's government headquarters is being occupied by thousands of protesters.
News source(s): (The Guardian), (Reuters UK)
Credits:

Article updated

 --Neelix (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The alternative article and blurb you propose look good to me. Neelix (talk) 21:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure whether that's true or not, but this is certain getting more media attention. Formerip (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
New York Times, The Globe and Mail, BBC, ABC, Wall Street Journal, CBC, Forbes, Fox, and plenty more. This thing is in the news in nearly all the main places except Wikipedia. Neelix (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant article is now called 2014 Hong Kong protests. Neelix (talk) 02:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This looks like it's moved beyond protests. 04:42, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Mild support this is now top news story on the BBC News homepage and is having an impact on HK's business operations. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I think there may be a good story here, but I don't think either the main or the alternative blurb does a good job of communicating it. Right now, neither blurb mentions 1) how many protesters or 2) why they are protesting. They also don't do a good job including conflicts with police, which seems to be an important part of the news coverage. Dragons flight (talk) 08:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing really groundbreaking has happened so far. The "pro-democracy" camp are often protesting and they often use these kinds of disruptive tactics. --Tocino 08:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support story and Deryck Chan's blurb ("Police disperse pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong with tear gas."). The protests in Hong Kong are presently in the front page of the BBC website and account for 2 of the top 10 most read articles on that site. Regardless of how common such protests are, this one is getting vastly significantly more media coverage than others have and so it is unquestionably in the news. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think it's valid to compare this to the climate change march. They haven't used tear gas there for the most part. Now, what was the last protest action that the cops used significant amount of tear gas to disperse the protesters? That's the valid comparison. Did ITN post that? –HTD 12:03, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Google suggests the three most recent examples prior to HK were in Liberia [1], Ferguson, Missouri [2] (both in August), and Sao Paulo [3] in June. As far as I can tell (and my search-fu is very weak today) the Liberian protest was not nominated and would unlikely have gained consensus because it relates to the ongoing ebola outbreak. I can't see that we posted anything to do with the Ferguson shooting (which surprises me) - it was nominated (and rejected) for ongoing twice in August, but I don't think a blurb was proposed. The Brazilian protests again don't seem to have been nominated. Protests in Thailand in December 2013 that involved tear gas were posted, but the gas was not mentioned in the blurb [4]. Thryduulf (talk) 13:41, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I understand that the current situation may look like nothing extraordinary. But the 24-hour mark is approaching and crowds are still up and running as ever. And with international impact emerging like emergency rallies around the world planned or in progress (SCMP), there is good potential this expands to Main Page material in due time (say by the end of the week perhaps). PS It coincides National Day on Wednesday. Guess how that turns out. 野狼院ひさし Hisashi Yarouin 14:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Thryduulf. Saying Hong Kong is not at the national level ignores its history and economic status. μηδείς (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, ongoing, very significant event in the region, reported worldwide. I would change the blurb to something like: The longest series of political protests since the 1997 handover shake Hong Kong. [5] --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose, this type of protest (which includes both peaceful elements and perhaps-over-aggressive authorative response) is too common around the world to single out one. If it becomes overly violent (hopefully not) then that might be reason, but not at this stage. --MASEM (t) 16:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – This is a top news story, far more significant than any previous protests. I don't understand nonsense about "national level" and "mainland China". Hong Kong is functionally separate from the mainland, both culturally and politically. In fact, that is one of the reasons for these protests. This is a watershed moment in Hong Kong history, and perhaps in the history of the democracy movement in China itself. RGloucester — ☎ 16:33, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – top news on all news outlets. Also important to highlight the Chinese ridiculous regime.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Newsworthy and article in good shape except the "Global responses" section (for now I guess). Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 20:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, has gotten a lot of international media attention; I think not in the least because no one imagines Hong Kong as a place where this kind of protest could happen and because this has a lot of bearing on the future of the most populous nation on the planet and its region. I also feel something of a connection, as I imagine those of us not from HK who attended Wikimania 2013, seeing places I walked or otherwise traveled through on the way to other things I went to see being the sites of all this civil unrest. Daniel Case (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
True. Being a Hongkonger, I have to say protests are extremely common in Hong Kong. But this is a serious case.--Good afternoon (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I know about the past protests. But the world is used to pro-democracy protests taking place in countries that are far less democratic than even the OCwLP people would describe Hong Kong as. And there's the implications for China as a whole. Daniel Case (talk) 14:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
HK is that place where "it's not democratic enough" but "people are somehow free to protest" that's ripe for "pro-democracy protests" (see also Venezuela, Malaysia). In places where there's supposedly "democracy" people don't have to do "pro-democracy protests" (they'd protest about something else), and there are places where protests are not even allowed at all. HK is the perfect candidate for such protests to happen, and they're doing it quite frequently. –HTD 15:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How about "Protests in Hong Kong against proposed electoral changes are countered by the police using tear gas." That way, we make the protests more generally, but still mention the police response (which is the main story in the West, it seems). Also, we don't need an "Ongoing" as long as there's an entry in ITN - Ongoing is for when stories are still in the news by the time they reach the bottom of the page. Smurrayinchester 20:23, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the tear gas is the western story. The story is the protest, with the context of Tiananmen Square etc. The tear gas is just a red herring, stupid over-reaction. I prefer the Colipon blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I second TRM's preference for the "Colipon" blurb. RGloucester — ☎ 20:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment- I too support Colipon's blurb and believe it should be posted as there is consensus for it, but disagree with Ongoing. Ongoing was not made for every event that is not instantaneous, only for the most important events that consistently have new stories each day. Only Ebola and IS meet that criteria right now. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revised. I posted the Colipon blurb, as annotated by Vejvančický. Dragons flight (talk) 02:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2014 Ryder Cup

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Article: 2014 Ryder Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Europe wins the Ryder Cup. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --Jinkinson talk to me 18:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I could replace the content with IN THE HOLE!!! if you like. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Marathon World Record

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Article: Dennis Kimetto (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dennis Kimetto sets a new marathon world record with a time of 2h 2m 57s at the Berlin Marathon (Post)
News source(s): http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/dennis-kimetto-sets-world-mark-berlin-marathon-25814155
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --ShakyIsles (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is also Marathon world record progression. Thanks for sorting blurb! Also the Dennis Kimetto page needs some work.ShakyIsles (talk) 10:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, I've updated to reflect this. ShakyIsles (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 27

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September 27, 2014 (2014-09-27) (Saturday)
Disasters and accidents
  • Japan's Mount Ontake volcano erupts causing 250 people to be stranded, injuring at least eight people and forcing aircraft to divert their routes. (Reuters)

Business and economy
  • After 139 years of ferry crossings between the Danish town of Esbjerg and Harwich in England, MS Sirena Seaways carries passengers on the route for the last time as DFDS closes the route due to "dwindling demand and high costs"; a freight service will still be available on the route from Esbjerg to Immingham. (BBC) (DFDS Connects)

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RD: James Traficant

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Article: James Traficant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News International Business Times Daily Mail
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Important to US politics for the bad things he did; convicted of bribery, only the second person since the end of the Civil War to be expelled from Congress. Died somewhat unexpectedly. RD is empty at the moment. --331dot (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Not top of field (being notable for crimes is not top of field) , and while the death was somewhat unusual, we are talking a 70-some old not recovering from a bad accident, so not really a surprise. --MASEM (t) 21:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mediocre personality with no real shot at being "top his field", no awards, nothing. Death was unexpected, but doesn't elevate this individual to the heights of Lauren Bacall etc., regardless of the emptiness of RD. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can oppose for any reason- but it is wrong to say "no awards, nothing". There is clearly something; people are not expelled from Congress even once every 50 years. Only twice in 150 years. 331dot (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, thank you. But this is not really relevant to anything. So what if was expelled? What relevance does that have to being top of his field? Top of his field for being crap in his field? Brilliant. When you say "wrong to say "no awards, nothing" - can you clarify what actual awards he won? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:32, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being expelled is essentially an award; a great rarity in US politics(and I'd be willing to bet somewhat rare worldwide, at a national level) equivalent to an executive branch official being impeached and removed from office. (you can see Expulsion from the United States Congress for more information if you wish) It really doesn't bother me if you or anyone oppose this, I just felt it would be better than a blank line on the main page. I truly appreciate your consideration. 331dot (talk) 22:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose His expulsion from the US congress was a notable event, and had ITN existed back then it would've been featured. However that happened years ago. He doesn't get to "double dip" on the same notoriety twice. WinterWall (talk) 23:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support probably most well known US House member during the time of his service, except Gingrich, but not other speakers, on the news nightly, widely seen as prosecuted in order to be silenced. Adding him will not bump anyone else, and it is unquestionable he will be remembered 100 years from now by anyone interested in the politics of the era. μηδείς (talk) 01:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'd be more willing to post someone known for their enormous positive contributions to the country as a member of Congress, but being the only member expelled since the Civil War is more Congress trivia. Didn't really set a key precedent for expelling members of Congress and did not substantially change the way Congress is run (if at all). SpencerT♦C 04:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll assume you're not an American old enough to remember his term in office? He's what would be called a backbencher in the loyal opposition who spoke truth to power. He regularly brought to light issues the majority parties, both Democrat and Republican didn't want raised. The fact that you describe him as basically a criminal makes it clear you are unaware he was one of the least culpable members of congress. Look, for example,at the $100,000,000.00 worth of the senior senator from Nevada, who cannot account for any of it as private earnings. Look at what Trent Lott earned from Bernie Ebbers, and took home as legal spoils that would have landed Tony Soprano in jail. Trafficant was an inconvenient voice. We're not supposed to be here to puppet narratives.μηδείς (talk) 04:56, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, the current article (James_Traficant#U.S._House_of_Representatives) does not do a very good job explaining his Congressional contributions. For something that I would consider an equivalent standard, see Robert_Byrd#Congressional_service, describing Byrd (who was posted on ITN). If the article is better filled out and makes a better case for his importance, I will reconsider my position. SpencerT♦C 19:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, User:Spencer, but at this point it's a lost cause and I am basically coming here to recreate since I have real world deadlines. The big thing with TRafficant was he was on the news weekly for pointing out other's lies and hypocrises, a household name during his service, and while hated by the leaders of both parties, beloved of everyone else and continuously returned by his constituency. Byrd was just a corrupt ex-Klu-Klux-Klan member who graduated to the political boss of the landlocked state of West Virginia. μηδείς (talk) 23:16, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2014 Mount Ontake eruption

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Article: 2014 Mount Ontake eruption (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Japan, Mount Ontake erupts, killing at least one person and seriously injuring more than 30. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Japan, Mount Ontake erupts, and the bodies of at least 31 hikers are found.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has ordered the Japanese military to mount a rescue operation in response to this eruption: [9] --Jinkinson talk to me 16:14, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment It does not look like there are wider ramifications at this point (evacuations past the mountain itself, travel disruptions, etc.) 250 people near the volcano are staying put, and the "volcanic alert level" has only been raised from 1 to 3 (on a 5-point scale.) [10] There is a good bit of worldwide coverage, but perhaps wait to see if initial media interest quickly subsides or not; I think it's borderline at this point. IRW0 (talk) 18:37, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not significant. If we rotated blurbs (like DYK wants to do) every eight hours, then yes, but this isn't Wikinews. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Like the Kiluaea eruption in Hawaii (currently threatening a small neighborhood and state highway) I don't think this is significant enough yet. If that changes, I would reassess. 331dot (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - BBC TV reporting that the eruption was not forecast, and 30+ deaths. Mjroots (talk) 06:28, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending suitable and clear update based on the breaking information that 30 hikers have been found, most likely dead but awaiting the official Japanese medical verdict. BBC. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
looks like The Rambling Man has changed his mind from the oppose he wrote above - so that might want striking out?EdwardLane (talk) 15:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, why not directly message me or ping me? 18:05, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

September 26

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September 26, 2014 (2014-09-26) (Friday)
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[Closed] 2014 air traffic control facility fire

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Consensus against posting. BencherliteTalk 07:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2014_air_traffic_control_facility_fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ *An act of arson at an air traffic control facility in Aurora, Illinois causes close to 2000 airline flights to be grounded. (Post)
News source(s): [1].
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Caused close to 2000 airline flights to be grounded and pointed to potentially significant flaws in air traffic control security --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree; it was a very large act of vandalism. It disrupted quite a few travelers. You don't have to downplay the event to argue against its posting. Abductive (reasoning) 18:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Worldwide we have around eight to ten million air travellers per day. This is a minuscule glitch. It has no real impact, it's not in the news, it's not ITN. Move on to something else. Thanks for your advice though, always welcome. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] UNGA 69

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Clearly no consensus. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: sixty-ninth session of the United Nations General Assembly (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 69th session of the UNGA opens with the General Debate. (Post)
Credits:
 --Lihaas (talk) 16:48, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It definitely is in the news, buried or not: [14] It seems Mahmoud Abbas is very unhappy about Israel's negotiations with Palestine. Perhaps we could post that. Jinkinson talk to me 17:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Cambodia Australia deal

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Article: Australia–Cambodia relations#2014 refugee resettlement deal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cambodia and Australia sign a controversial refugee resettlement deal. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

 SovanDara 02:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

September 25

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September 25, 2014 (2014-09-25) (Thursday)
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[Ready] Shellshock software bug reveals several severe vulnerabilities

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Article: Shellshock (software bug) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Undiscovered for 22 years, the Shellshock bug reveals several remote exploit vulnerabilities in software widely used on web servers; severity considered by some to be similar to Heartbleed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Undiscovered for 22 years, the Shellshock bug reveals several remote exploit vulnerabilities in software widely used on Internet servers.
News source(s): NIST National Vulnerability Database (first bug), New York Times, The Register, Arstechnica, iTnews, ZDNet, etc
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I thought this might be worthwhile news, due to the bug's severity (NIST rated it 10/10 and it can affect OpenSSH, CGI in Apache, DHCP, and possibly anything which uses Bash, such as Mac OSX, some routers, etc), possibility of unauthenticated remote code execution, the 22 years it went undiscovered (meaning old and new systems affected), further bugs discovered while trying to patch it, and reports of a botnet and malware actively exploiting this bug as of the day it went public. --Zeniff (talk) 12:46, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: the BBC quotes an expert as saying that Shellshock could be worse than the Heartbleed bug. It Is Me Here t / c 12:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Significant and newsworthy, given that it went unnoticed for 22 years and that the vulnerability is present in a wide variety of devices and machines. The blurb can be worked on, though, so that it flows better. 174.112.177.36 (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak Oppose I've seen the news of it, but while it technically might be equivalent to Heartbleed as how widely spread the affected software is, I'm also not seeing the same level of possible threat to all internet users that heartbleed could have done (eg massive password problems). --MASEM (t) 14:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually this bug allows full access to the remote machine which allows full reading of the machines memory. It can do everything heartbleed can do as well as allow the system to be taken over. It is worse in every way. Chillum 16:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm aware the effect is potentially more dangerous, but at the same time, the amount of effort to actual get the bug to work to get into that system seems much more difficult than the Heartbleed, hence that being much more a serious threat of its exploitability. --MASEM (t) 16:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    This is simply not so. Heartbleed required slow and extended memory reading, interpreting remote memory maps and all sorts of fuss. This allows you to simply run a command over many types of systems. This requires less effort to get more access. In particular the lack of need to interpret remote memory addresses makes this bug more automatable and creates a greater threat of a prolific worm. I have worked in computer security for over 15 years so I can be pretty confident in my assessment. Chillum 17:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support: The Devil is in the details here, really the only similarity the two events have is that both can be executed remotely. In a nsut shell, heartbleed allowed a malicious attacker to leverage a software feature (heartbeat) to dump portions of memory, basically being able to 'see' things that shouldn't be allowed, and yes, potentially seeing passwords. But shellshock is an attack against the program that handles pretty much every function on the device, allowing an attacker to do quite literally anything. Forget poking around dumped memory for passwords, with shellshock you literally just make yourself a new admin account. [15][16][17] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edprevost (talk • contribs) 15:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is much more serious than heartbleed. This one allows for arbitrary command(and by extension code) execution which could allow for an incredibly effective worm. Heartbleed only allowed read access. Considering this has been here for 22 years it is on of the biggest stories in computer security in decades. Chillum 16:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, I'm concerned that there is no event to the story. Abductive (reasoning) 18:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Also, people are doing their best, but the article is very messy and hard to understand at present. Abductive (reasoning) 18:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support due to severity and nature of the bug, but have concerns about article quality as well. I don't think we should compare it to Heartbleed in the blurb, though; it's significant enough to stand on its own. Bug also affects more than web servers; I suggested an altblurb to address both issues, though the bug affects more than servers so it should be improved further. (The "22 years" bit may still be too sensationalistic, as it potentially implies the bug was being actively exploited during that time, which would've been noticed.) IRW0 (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'd echo some of the above concerns (although any paraphrasing and erroneous assumptions are entirely of my own creation). This could be like the Millennium bug, a lot of bluster and fuss and all, without an actual derogatory outcome. In which case, the story, paraphrasing (once again) becomes "Security flaw in many OSs discovered, all fixed up now, no major trauma". Right now we have "Security flaw in many OSs discovered, something bad may happen...........". So although the numbers (in their billions) are scary and impressive, the genuine impact may be negligible. No actual story to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The derogatory outcome is that probably 100k+ machines (more?) have already been newly infected by botnets, starting within an hour of the embargo on the vulnerability being lifted. [18] (To the people running the botnets, this was a special, rare gift. This vulnerability affected far more "high value" targets than a typical vulnerability, e.g. Unix servers with lots of bandwidth or valuable data rather than primarily home computers, than all but a few recent things like Heartbleed.) I would agree there is not a great single story to post, but this wasn't a non-event like the Millennium bug. The article still isn't great either (I'd work on it, but I'm still busy with fallout from the actual bug, as are many people.) The article is improving. IRW0 (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree with TRM's comment; if something bad actually happened, that would be worthy of posting, but I'm not convinced the possibility of something bad happening merits posting. 331dot (talk) 22:25, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support WP is the first place I'd come for a clear, objective, informative discussion of this. My sole objection might be article quality, which I will leave to the qualified to judge. μηδείς (talk) 01:20, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support wortwhile item, but the article is currently meant only for experts. Less jargon pls? Also, there should be a section on what was/is the current impact, who or what got exploited. Nergaal (talk) 07:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The jargon has been cleaned up somewhat and reported impact been summarized better. The article is orange-tagged now, but that will hopefully be resolved soon enough. ITN is pretty dated right now, so even if the article takes a bit longer to be in a good shape, it should still be worth posting. IRW0 (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm not a connoisseur about this topic, but this is intriguing and seems very newsworthy in my opinion. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 10:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until impact is certain. Also, "The bug causes Bash to unintentionally execute commands when they are stored in environment variables in a non-standard form", but I thought that was a feature? I knew about that quirk years ago, and presumably many others did, too. So, "undiscovered" really means "undiscovered by IT agencies needing headlines."128.214.53.18 (talk) 04:50, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having any service that executes a shell-level environment itself seems like waiting for trouble to happen, so there's a matter of bad programming by those that relied on bash for some aspects...--MASEM (t) 05:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The orange tag is gone, and the article is in decent shape for ITN. There's more of an impact section now, etc. Shellshock has turned into a series of bugs with patches that trickled out until just a couple days ago, so this item is still in the news despite the initial release being a week ago. (Apple just released an incomplete patch, for one. A Google News search shows tons of hits in the past 24 hours alone.) There is a good deal of botnet activity and large-scale scanning due to this bug. Given that ITN is pretty sparse, I don't think it'd hurt to post this one. IRW0 (talk) 04:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose- "Revealing vulnerabilities" is not news. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 04:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Holder resigns

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Doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Calidum Talk To Me 22:23, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Eric Holder (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Eric Holder (pictured) announced his resignation as the United States Attorney General. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg and ABC News
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Nominator's comments: The subject is well-known to Americans, Canadians, and Europeans.[citation needed] People would expect who will be the next Attorney General. I welcome alternative blurbs because this is my first nomination. --George Ho (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We've been through this before with cabinet-level individuals resigning. It happens often and does not represent any major shift in policy. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. (edit conflict) Thanks for the nomination, and welcome, but unless there is some unusual circumstance(such as being convicted of a crime/impeachment, corruption, etc.) I don't see a reason to post this, as cabinet officials carry out the policies of the President and serve at his pleasure, so there won't be a massive shift in policies here. I don't think any such official would be posted (such as the Home Secretary of the UK, Russian Foreign Minister, etc.). 331dot (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose agree with the above. Minor blip in US politics. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:51, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose that he would resign in the fall was announced earlier this year, he's not been asked or forced to resign for some scandal, we don't post such routine resignations for other countries. μηδείς (talk) 17:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eh, he was planning to resign at the end of the year no matter what. This was not due to some scandal of some sort. –HTD 17:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Venezuela's opposition parties named Jesus Torrealba, a 56-year-old journalist and teacher, to head their coalition ahead of 2015 parliamentary elections where they hope to weaken President Maduro's socialist government. (Voice of America)

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[Posted] Mars Orbiter Mission

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Article: Mars Orbiter Mission (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ISRO probe Mars Orbiter Mission enters orbit of Mars. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The NASA probe MAVEN and the ISRO probe Mars Orbiter Mission, India's first interplanetary craft, both enter orbit around Mars.
News source(s): spaceflightnow.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Space probes reaching their destination are ITNR. MAVEN arrived a few days ago perhaps a combined blurb? I welcome advice on the blurb. Hektor (talk) 05:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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US conducts air strikes against ISIL targets in Syria

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Article: ISIL (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The US has started an air campaign against ISIL targets in Syria (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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 Count Iblis (talk) 01:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Except the "pisswatter" argument being made is that Syria is no longer effectively sovereign over that territory. It would be rather like violence in Israel spilling over into the West Bank; would you be here arguing for a new blurb because it's now in a new country? GoldenRing (talk) 04:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If Iran and Saudi Arabia were on the same side as Israel, you don't think that would be ITN? Abductive (reasoning) 04:25, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes, except it's already there, in ongoing... GoldenRing (talk) 04:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, turns out "Bombing a sovereign nation (Syria) without permission" is a pisswater erroneous statement. You don't get "permission" to bomb a country. What the US did do was inform Syria that this was going to take place. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One certainly can get permission. The US is bombing Yemen and Iraq with permission. Abductive (reasoning) 17:50, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Quite so. And my apology for the error. However, it is true to say that the US told Syria, and Syria didn't say no. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Apparently it's fine to leave number one stories in "Ongoing" just because they are ongoing, without any further explanation of what exactly is in the news. Furthermore, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is not even the article of the event, but the article of the organization. Readers will be lost in the huge article. At least redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#September 2014 the appropriate section. starship.paint ~ regal 00:08, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. If we didn't have "Ongoing", we'd probably have had a couple informative blurbs over the past couple weeks regarding the Iraq/Syria situation. I'm not against "Ongoing" itself, but it shouldn't be used to suppress useful blurbs simply because a topic already has a vague link. IRW0 (talk) 12:20, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Jadavpur University protests

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Article: 2014 Jadavpur University protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 2014 Jadavpur University protests is an ongoing series of protests by the students of Jadavpur University, Kolkata, India (Post)
News source(s): 1, 2, 3, 4
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Nominator's comments: IPs are making some trouble. I have added few tags, inclduing the "citation needed" recently. We can fix those. --Tito☸Dutta 00:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Question: What makes these protests unusual, newsworthy, interesting, or otherwise standout as something other than garden-variety university protests? Your proposed blurb basically says that the protests exists. It doesn't tell us why we should care. Why should we? Before I can decide to support or oppose this, help me understand why these protests stand out as particularly worthy of note?--Jayron32 00:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually a news article reports, many international universities are going to hold protests. --Tito☸Dutta 01:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What started as a garden variety student protest grew to a citi-wide, then state-wide proportion, with significant nation-wide interest. This university is one of the premiere universities in the country, and, like any other universities in the world, has had its share of student agitations in the past. However, direct administration of the police and commando forces by the state government, political ramifications in the state level, moral support from students of other universities/institutes, spontaneous support from the urban citizens of India have set it apart. Also, this is likely to be the first major student protest in India that is using social media at the level the world has witnessed in other countries (Egypt, for example) in recent years. --Dwaipayan (talk) 01:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can pretty much vouch for Dwaipayan's last statement. As a student of Jadavpur University and being a part of the movement, I have seen for myself how far social media has taken this. There has been, in fact, 'unofficial' state response on social media. I hope to introduce the entire subsection with pictures on this point. The students' wing of the state government has held a counter-demonstration, all of which will be updated. The movement is also very likely to be the largest collective student movement independent India has seen in terms of sheer number. I apologize in advance for any stylistic errors I have made. I'm very new here and intended only to represent the protest wiki page impartially as far as possible. The introductory paragraphs I reworked with citations. If I may propose a Blurb: International solidarity with the 2014 Jadavpur University protests sees protest demonstration planned in New York.--Arkaprabha (talk) 08:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If I can rework most or all of it today, can we nominate this again tomorrow? (I'm very new here. Don't know how this works)--Arkaprabha (talk) 08:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine, no need to renominate, but we are generally advised against posting anything with an orange or red maintenance tag, so that will need to be fixed, whenever you can. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What specific event is being nominated here? The police attack on September 17, the scheduled global protests for September 27, or is this a nomination for "Ongoing" for the entire thing? Whether or not the police attack was notable, it's too old to post now. We don't generally post things like scheduled protests, and I see minimal coverage of these planned global protests in Indian media (and none in other worldwide media.) IRW0 (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • In tennis, two-time Australian Open champion Victoria Azarenka is to miss the remainder of the season because of the foot injury that has blighted her year. (BBC)

[Posted] MAVEN probe

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Article: MAVEN (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The NASA probe MAVEN enters orbit of Mars to study its atmospheric loss. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News ABC News (US) BBC The Guardian Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Space probes reaching their destination are ITNR. An Indian Mars probe (the Mars Orbiter Mission) will arrive on Tuesday; perhaps a combined blurb? I welcome advice on the blurb. --331dot (talk) 09:18, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattaidepikiw:; just FYI if the event is on the ITNR list it has already been judged notable enough for posting; we are now just judging article quality and deciding on a blurb. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

People's Climate March

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Article: People's Climate March (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 300,000 people take part in the People's Climate March in New York City. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times NBC News
Credits:

 --Johnsemlak (talk) 23:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • One note on the number--I would like to see an independent estimate on the crowd size in NY. The estimate of 300,000+ is by the organizers. The major media sources have quoted that figure but not made their own estimate..--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship

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Article: 2014 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2014 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship concludes with Poland defeating Brazil in the final. (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah

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Articles: Ashraf Ghani (talk · history · tag) and Abdullah Abdullah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah agree to become president and chief executive officer of Afghanistan, respectively. (Post)
News source(s): Businessweek
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --Jinkinson talk to me 15:22, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] New Zealand general election, 2014

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Article: New Zealand general election, 2014 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister John Key's National Party wins a majority in the New Zealand general election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 The Rambling Man (talk) 11:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - A general elections in a country is always important.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Just as a side note, this article does not need your support on importance, ITNR says we've already pre-approved it on importance. It needs your support on quality. --Jayron32 20:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    However, as per the "2014 Asian Games opening ceremony" discussion, you are absolutely entitled to discuss the importance of the ITNR, although this would not be the best venue for such a discussion. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    A support goes hand in hand with all that you mentioned Jayron. --BabbaQ (talk) 22:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not really clear from your comment, which is just about the merits of posting this(which, as Jayron said, has already been judged by being on the ITNR list). If you think the quality is adequate for an ITNR item, simply state that. 331dot (talk) 23:06, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Obviously not for this specific items, but ITN/C item that is an ITNR item can still be judged if that instance shouldn't be posted, considering possible issues beyond article quality. A case I would consider would be where an incumbent is fully expected to win by a landslide and remain in power, and does win by a landslide and remains in power, and absolutely no one in the world is surprised by that. Yes, the election happened, but there's no real news story about that. It doesn't mean the overall ITNR entry on that list is bad, just that some cases it will be a non-newsworthy result. This type of situation would be very exceptional, of course, but the ITNR/ITNC process does account for this (note the language on the ITNR blurb in the template box above). --MASEM (t) 23:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. That is one seriously updated article ... --Tone 22:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Can we get someone to put up File:John Key 2014 (cropped).jpg? I know it's not going to be much of a change (slightly balding white guy in grey suit being exchanged for another slightly balding white guy in a grey suit), but at least it will be the slightly balding white guy in grey suit who was most recently elected. Maybe @David Levy: who's usually on the ball with all the picture stuff? --Jayron32 01:14, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    We also have the final Fijian election results due in 6 hours which might put a "brown" balding man on the main page, the decision is on wikipedia lol, the win for Key was a majority but a win for bainimarama would mean Fiji having a democratically elected government for the first time in 8 years...technically both the john key image and the swedish PM image were cropped by me so whatever works.. :P --Stemoc 02:02, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - could someone please fix the horrible grammatical error which is currently on the front page on WP:ITN. It should say "wins" not "win", because "National Party" is singular. Adpete (talk) 04:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC) Never mind, fixed after raising it at the correct place: Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors Adpete (talk) 07:18, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] Alibaba IPO

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Article: Alibaba Group (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba Group raises US$25 billion on the NYSE, in the largest ever initial public offering. (Post)
News source(s): [19]
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very important financial event. --King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Asian Games opening ceremony

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Article: 2014 Asian Games opening ceremony (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2014 Asian Games opens in Incheon, South Korea (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Updates are a bit light, but for a new article, this could be acceptable. --–HTD 17:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Show me the consensus and I'll agree we should propose removal from ITNR and discuss. Right now I'm not seeing any consensus on anything related to this nomination, especially since you were the only one who opposed. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here. HiLo48 (talk) 03:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, stricken. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] Remove from Ongoing: Ukraine Conflict

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In terms on new encyclopedic news, this is in a bit of a lull. The ceasefire seems to pretty much be sticking and although there are outbreaks of incidents, they haven't been of individually significant to be full news stories in themselves. Latest events are here War_in_Donbass#September_ceasefire. I'd like to start a place for people's opinions on when this would drop below the criteria for staying on as Ongoing. For reference, the Gaza conflict ceasefire took place on the 26th August, and we pulled it from ongoing on the 28th [20]. CaptRik (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Ebola

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Article: No article specified
Blurb: ​ The United Nations Security Council declares the recent outbreak of the Ebola virus a "threat to world security". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United Nations Security Council declares the recent outbreak of Ebola virus a "threat to international peace and security" in its first-ever resolution regarding a public health crisis.
News source(s): BBC
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Move from Ongoing to blurb considering the gravity of the situation. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Royal & Ancient allow women

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No consensus to post. --Tone 13:31, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Members of The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews vote to allow women members for the first time in its 260-year history. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Very odd, but yet curiously notable. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:26, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Point taken, but Augusta National wasn't nearly as old as this club, nor was it essentially where golf arose from. 331dot (talk) 22:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the home of golf. The matter (allowing women to join a golf club) isn't notably any more. It was in the 90s. But the club in this case makes it worthy of ITN. We don't post ITNs when countries legislate for same-sex marriage any more, for example. But if Afghanistan did, we'd post that. --Tóraí (talk) 05:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, this really is an epoch-defining event, given the timescales and global significance involved. Rule changes made by distant foreign countries don't really factor into it; this is the real thing. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Archbishop of Canterbury admits he has doubts about God

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No consensus to post an individual's doubts about his employer. Stephen 03:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Archbishop of Canterbury (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury sometimes has doubts in his belief in God. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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 Count Iblis (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not every utterance that may be construed as against the faith made by the leading priest of that faith is newsworthy enough all the comments by Pope Francis about gays and divorcees taking communion were never posted - now if he had declared himself an atheist and quit the post, that would be newsy, but apparently his doubts, however deep or fleeting they may have been, have been settled. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It makes a good sound-bite, but not news. GoldenRing (talk) 01:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Hour record

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Articles: Jens Voigt (talk · history · tag) and Hour record (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Jens Voigt sets a new hour record, riding more than 51 kilometres (31.7 mi) in an hour. (Post)
News source(s): Cycling News, The Guardian, USA Today

Nominator's comments: This is a very unusual record since last time it was beaten was in 2005. Nergaal (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is similar to marathon times: unless you have some standardization, you can not exclude i.e wind from having enhanced Indurain's performance. This record is done under very well standardized conditions. Some people from the past might have beaten this distance with current equipment, but we are talking here about an officially sanctioned performance. Nergaal (talk) 21:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - interesting. itn material.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Cycling's equivalent to the 100m sprint world record. Something different for ITN. CaptRik (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 2% is not a particularly significant margin in my view, nor is it a particularly long standing record at 9 years. There are thousands of world records out there, we can't possibly post every single one. If this does go up then at least modify the blurb - the emboldened link by itself should give some clue as to the context. The fact that an inherently generic term such as "hour record" in a free standing sense points to the relevant article (for context) is irrelevant - that speaks more of Wikipedia politics than of the legitimacy of a claim of primary sense. Justin Urquhart Stewart (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note this is a 5-1 vote. Nergaal (talk) 12:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This headline appears way at the bottom of the BBC Sport website right now and it's not getting huge coverage. This seems to mainly be of interest for cycling aficionados which is a niche group as it is. The comparison to major track and field records seems pretty weak to me-- those records generate a lot more interest.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:23, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Could you point to me the where it states it has to be high on the BBC website before it's included on WP's frontpage? I'm guessing if Bradley Wiggins had a pop at this, it'll be frontpage on the BBC and WP. The "cycling aficionados" comment adds more weight for it to be posted IMO. A non-American in a sport not that well covered getting some good quality article updates. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in pretty good shape (not perfect, there's maybe 1-2 more cites needed), but really a solid article, and the information is certainly current. I see no harm in showing the world a good Wikipedia article. It's certainly better than 90% of the stuff we put up in ITN merely because something is happening now. It would be nice to post something which is meant to showcase quality work for a change. --Jayron32 14:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Jens Voigt just set a very important cycling record, eclipsing a long standing mark. See also Hour record. This is a big deal! He did it on a closed track. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A pic of the record has been added to the article, so I replaced it here too. We now have a pic of the record in progress. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 23:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here's some sources from around the world. This is a very big deal.
I saw the source on the kw output, but I haven't found it again. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What happens now? How long before it's posted? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Need an independent admin to pop by and post it. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sod it, posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one, Rambles. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:54, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] 25 years of the Peaceful Revolution

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Try to get this on WP:OTD instead; it was made specifically for anniversaries of this type. --Jayron32 17:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Peaceful Revolution (talk · history · tag) and Joachim Gauck (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ German president Gauck welcomes state officials to Mecklenburg to celebrate 25 years of the Peaceful Revolution (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ German president Gauck welcomes state officials to Mecklenburg to adress demographic change in Europe and commemorate 25 years of the Peaceful Revolution (pictured).
News source(s): [2]
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Nominator's comments: For all I can see we didn't have an ITN piece on the anniversary of the most important event in late 20th century history. I think we should, especially in these times of more upcoming war and despair it's important to remember how things can be carried out peacefully. ---- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 09:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
'speedy close' if anything this is for OTDLihaas (talk) 11:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Scottish independence referendum

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Article: Scottish independence referendum, 2014 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scotland votes against secession from the United Kingdom. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured) resigns after Scotland votes against independence from the United Kingdom.
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Nominator's comments: I know this will almost certainly be posted after the result but this maybe one of few votes where readers would want some background and will be interested in it as it happens. Bump nomination to 18th sept afterwards please. ---- Ashish-g55 23:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC) [relocated under correct date as per nominator's request - Justin Urquhart Stewart (talk) 00:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)][reply]

  • What is there to report if they vote no? Scotland almost declares independence but doesn't? And anyway, from a statistical perspective, the outcome of the race has been close, but has never been in statistical doubt. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:26, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This has been a slow burning issue for at least the last twenty years: whatever the outcome the matter is put to bed for a generation. It is not as if in the event of a no vote Salmond (or anyone else in the SNP) will be allowed to try again in five years - Britain has a general aversion to referenda compared to many other countries and you certainly can't simply re-poll until you get the "right" answer. Justin Urquhart Stewart (talk) 01:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Times are a -chanin...got an EU referendum due soon. And some precedence in Quecec for a nother vote within a generation (depends how its defined)Lihaas (talk) 08:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In the context of ITN, this is one of the few referendums where the outcome doesn't really matter, imnsho. The vote itself is a historic and defining moment in the history of Scotland and Great Britain, much in the way the 1995 Quebec referendum was for the province and Canada as a whole. We should post the result either way. Resolute 19:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once the result is known, whether yes or no. Cameron, Klegg, and what's'sname all just signed a pledge to give each Scott a diamond-studded golden tooth plate, a low rider wif subwoofahs, and 5,000 Swiss Francs if they vote no (I realize that's bad Cockney, please don't chime in). That pledge alone is hysterical enough to be noted in an encyclopedia. When's the last time a UN security council permanent member let half a province decide to take away its sole deep water naval base? μηδείς (talk) 01:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once certified election results are known. Given the worldwide interest in this, and the closeness of the opinion polling, it should be posted no matter the result. Abductive (reasoning) 02:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once results are in - whatever the result. The referendum has been getting lots of international media attention. If Scotland voting to become independent would have significant effects, then by the same token it voting against independence would be equally significant since it would prevent these effects from happening. Neljack (talk) 03:19, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support regardless of the results as this is a huge story with worldwide implications. Jusdafax 04:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Neljack. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once results are in, whichever way they go. Given the general opposition to posting before results are available, I've updated the blurb and provided an altblurb for the two outcomes. GoldenRing (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
DAMN! took my nom ;( 'support regardless with result' to be declared in under 24 hours. Its got ramification and is certainly in the news.
ALBA GO BRAIG!!!! Let freedom reign!!!!!!Lihaas (talk) 08:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. We need to be careful over precise terminology, given that the question asked is simply "Should Scotland be an independent country?" We should not try to interpret the result in an over-specific way. Words like "secession", and even "United Kingdom", are not on the ballot paper and are best avoided - for example, we simply do not know if the remaining parts of the UK will still be called the "United Kingdom" or not. There is uncertainty and scope for interpretation over precisely what happens next. Hence, Altblurb2 - In a referendum, Scotland votes for/against becoming an independent country. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
yes to "Should Scotland be an independent country" by definition means secession.Lihaas (talk) 11:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ye, should move the issues to a separate section as per the endorsementsLihaas (talk) 11:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Umh, not sure what u r taking about TRM. In this particular case the story itself seems unusually well covered even outside UK so I don't understand why can't this be posted before the results are out. Nergaal (talk) 21:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's all over but the pouting. Sca (talk) 15:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's all over, bar the trouting. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC) [reply]

September 17

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[Posted] Fijian general election, 2014

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Article: Fijian general election, 2014 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The FijiFirst Party (leader Frank Bainimarama pictured) wins a majority/plurality in the first Fijian general election since the 2006 Fijian coup d'état. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The FijiFirst Party, led by Frank Bainimarama (pictured), win a majority in the Fijian general election.
The FijiFirst Party, led by Frank Bainimarama (pictured), win a majority in the Fijian general election, the first Fijian election in eight years.
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: If the Swedish election gets ITN so should the Fijian one. Also it is on ITN/R. ~~ NickGibson3900 Talk 06:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NO prose update. Also updated te blurb to combine the alt with theunifhnished one...and added the coup partLihaas (talk) 11:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man and Lihaas: I understand your concerns. TRM; I have expanded the lead and the info box. Official results are currently been announced as I type (06:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)). I think it will be updated in the next 12-24 hours. Also - both your help would be appreciated if you have any spare time. -- NickGibson3900 Talk 06:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Counting is still ongoing and we should definitely get the final results (in relation to seats) in the next 5 hours even though some of the preliminary results may be out within the next hour..--Stemoc 09:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Done. NickGibson3900 Talk 08:35, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Yogwi21: Suggested alt blurb -- NickGibson3900 Talk 09:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: This is ready to go - NickGibson3900 Talk 02:45, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] Fijian general election, 2014

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Article: Fijian general election, 2014 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The FijiFirst Party (leader Frank Bainimarama pictured) wins a majority/plurality in the first Fijian general election since the 2006 Fijian coup d'état. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The FijiFirst Party, led by Frank Bainimarama (pictured), win a majority in the Fijian general election.
The FijiFirst Party, led by Frank Bainimarama (pictured), win a majority in the Fijian general election, the first Fijian election in eight years.
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: If the Swedish election gets ITN so should the Fijian one. Also it is on ITN/R. ~~ NickGibson3900 Talk 06:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NO prose update. Also updated te blurb to combine the alt with theunifhnished one...and added the coup partLihaas (talk) 11:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man and Lihaas: I understand your concerns. TRM; I have expanded the lead and the info box. Official results are currently been announced as I type (06:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)). I think it will be updated in the next 12-24 hours. Also - both your help would be appreciated if you have any spare time. -- NickGibson3900 Talk 06:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Counting is still ongoing and we should definitely get the final results (in relation to seats) in the next 5 hours even though some of the preliminary results may be out within the next hour..--Stemoc 09:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Done. NickGibson3900 Talk 08:35, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Yogwi21: Suggested alt blurb -- NickGibson3900 Talk 09:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: This is ready to go - NickGibson3900 Talk 02:45, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 16

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Typhoon Kalmaegi (2014)

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Article: Typhoon Kalmaegi (2014) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Kalmaegi kills 10 people in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): Weather Channel
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 --Jinkinson talk to me 14:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Suggestion - Is this considered part of the typhoon season that hit India and other parts of Asia roughly a week ago (where there was tons of reported flooding and missing persons?) I don't think that got posted, so perhaps pushing that point again that "a series of typhoons in the SE Asia region have killed X people" or something like that. --MASEM (t) 14:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a tragedy, to be sure, but frankly 10 storm- or accident- or disease- related deaths is of such frequent occurrence that the threshold really needs to be higher. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Libya migrant shipwreck

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Article: 2014 Libya migrant shipwreck (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 200 migrants are believed to have drowned in a sinking off the coast of Libya. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ About 500 migrants drown in a shipwreck off Maltese coast and another 200 off Libyan coast.
News source(s): Daily Telegraph
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Nominator's comments: Once expanded, could be combined with news from 2014 Malta migrant shipwreck. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See the BBC article linked in my post below - I think this is an engvar issue where anyone migrating legally or illegally are referred to as migrants. CaptRik (talk) 22:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That the term is used in the British press, but not the American is precisely the issue. In the US there are legal migrant farm workers who work the season then go home. There are migrat birds that summer in one range and winter in another. We take huge pains to be Engvar neutral in sports results. I think it would make sense to say something likeX-hundred Africans/Libyans drown when human trafficker ram their vessel. μηδείς (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
'Migrant' means someone who is migrating from one place to another. It applies regardless of how long for, whether legally or illegally, how far apart those places are etc. This meaning appears in every AmE dictionary I checked [22]. I can't see how it presents ENGVAR problems. Modest Genius talk 12:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There's a thing called proper usage. According you, my sister and her family were migrants when the drove across a few states to visit their cousin for his first birthday? These may be refugees or undocumented workers but they are not seasonal travellers. Likewise, they weren't euthanized by pleasure-boaters. μηδείς (talk) 19:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Did they go there in order to seek work? I doubt the infant was offering employment ;) Having said that, if there is a more neutral/inclusive way to put it, we should strive for mutual comprehension. Modest Genius talk 22:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Migrant" is the correct term and is uncoloured by politics at least in an encyclopedic sense. "Immigrant" or "emigrant" are matters of perspective best avoided but ultimately we have to assume that readers of the English language Wikipedia can at least speak English. MonumentallyIncompetent (talk) 04:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It seems as though the 500 death sinking occurred on the 10th [24] and so should be moved under that date, although as noted above it took some time for this to come to light. Jinkinson talk to me 22:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
óppose'' far too frequent...at this rate we shoul post the Iraq/Syria/Libya /Pakistan bombingsLihaas (talk) 16:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand your post, we do post Iraq etc in Ongoing when the going gets hot. Sinkings like this are nowhere near as common as bombings in the Middle East, as well you know. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Microsoft acquires Mojang

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No consensus to post. Stephen 06:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Mojang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Microsoft acquires Minecraft developer Mojang for $2.5 billion. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, WSJ
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: While I fully recognize this is otherwise a small business deal in the scope of things, this is a rather huge thing in the world of video games, given the popularity and success of Minecraft. --MASEM (t) 13:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was discussed here - [25] and looks like it went stale without being posted. CaptRik (talk) 22:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The deal may be huge in the particular industry that Mojang is involved in, but no doubt that could be said about plenty of business deals of this size. I don't see why the video games industry should get preferential treatment over other industries. Neljack (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Arguably, it is almost impossible for video game news to make ITN, because some see it as too far niche despite numerous coming on part with other entertainment mediums for specific works. No, I'm not saying that we need to flood ITN with video game coverage, but it is a major development in that specific field, and since we generally try to consider stories relative to the field they are in, this would be a reason to consider inclusion. --MASEM (t) 01:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Matthew Todd Miller

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Article: Matthew Todd Miller (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Matthew Todd Miller is sentenced to six years of hard labor by a North Korean court. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: Miller was convicted on charges of espionage. This seems to be a significant story since Miller and 2 other Americans have appealed to the US government to send a "senior statesman" to Pyongyang. [26] --Jinkinson talk to me 00:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup Final

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Article: 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup concludes with the United States defeating Serbia in the final (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Updated and in ITNR. Good to go. –HTD 00:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC) --–HTD 00:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - ITN/R , and the article is updating and in good shape. --MASEM (t) 01:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ITN/R—Bagumba (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mild support looks okay, but a heavy dependency on primary sources (FIBA) and an inconsistent approach to diacritics. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm a bit sceptical about this nomination as the quality of this tournament is far lower than the Olympic tournament. Many players from the European national teams usually prefer to play at the Olympics or the EuroBasket instead of the FIBA World Cup. For example, Tony Parker refused to play for France three times, while he regularly plays at the Olympics and the EuroBasket. The United States national team are also typically not represented by their top players. Evidently, even the media do not pay serious attention on it: its coverage here in Europe is definitely less than the EuroBasket, while in the United States it's not even on the level of the pre-seasonal NBA news. Another major issue is that even the FIBA officials are afraid about the popularity of this tournament and they decided to abandon organising it in the same year with the FIFA World Cup and thereby scheduled the next one to take place in 2019. I know that much of my concern will have to be addressed elsewhere and so I decided to leave this just as a comment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. Well, it only takes place every 4 years and it's ITNR, so I guess we should keep it. I understand the concerns, otherwise. --Tone 13:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Toronto International Film Festival

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Article: 2014 Toronto International Film Festival (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Imitation Game wins the People's Choice Award at the 2014 Toronto International Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, WSJ
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 --JuneGloom Talk 17:58, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support - I know the article format is the same as previous years but it feels a bit thin, I'd like to point out to other commentors if we should expect more or is otherwise fine. I don't think it needs more based on this but otherwise seems good to go. --MASEM (t) 20:07, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Swedish general election, 2014

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Article: Swedish general election, 2014 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Swedish citizens votes in the Swedish general election, with Fredrik Reinfeldt and Stefan Löfven as leaders for the two main partys. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Social Democrats, led by Stefan Löfven, win a plurality in the Swedish general election.
News source(s): [27], [28], [29], [30], [31]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Please feel free to change the blurb or add new ones, I think this election is noteworthy. --BabbaQ (talk) 12:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to replace the image of Oscar Pistorius by this image of Stefan Löfven (who is mentioned in the most recent blurb)? --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 13:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done. —David Levy 17:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] Floyd Mayweather vs. Marcos Maidana

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Consensus against, and closing now to avoid further fisticuffs. BencherliteTalk 20:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Floyd Mayweather vs. Marcos Maidana II (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In boxing, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. defeats Marcos Maidana by unanimous decision to retain his welterweight and lightweight titles. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today Los Angeles Times ESPN Fox Sports The Guardian CBS Sports Wall Street Journal Sports Illustrated
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: I think boxing should be covered on ITN, especially one of the greats such as Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Andise1 (talk) 04:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Boxing should be covered in ITN. Just not this fight. Right now, the only prospective fight with any juju would be the putative Mayweather-Pacquiao fight; but barring that one I can't imagine this fight (or nearly any other excepting perhaps a major heavyweight title unification fight) having enough importance to the sporting world to merit inclusion in ITN given the deplorable state of boxing right now. Even respectable boxing press derided this fight as Mayweather beating up an inferior opponent; it's another tomato can for Mayweather to take on while he and Pacquiao avoid each other even more. "Less than engaging", for just one example... --Jayron32 05:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Per above, "Please do not... ... complain about an event only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." Andise1 (talk) 05:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Per my objection, Floyd Mayweather winning his boxing match isn't news anywhere. This story is not news. Not news, ok? I'm not seeing it on BBC.Com NYT.com or News.com.au. This story is not news. Not news at all. Please don't assume people are so stupid they haven't read the guidelines at the top of the page. Valiant Patriot (talk) 05:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The only sporting events we should cover at ITN are the olympics, Tennis Opens, World cups and so on. Items of actual significance only please. Valiant Patriot (talk) 05:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
BBC.com, New York Times, news.com.au. Seriously, if you're going to raise objections, you could at least do so from a place other than self-righteous "I'm so much better than all you people because I'm protecting the world from what I think are unimportant stories" bullshit. --Jayron32 05:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Jayron. I respect your oppose as you agree with me that Boxing should be covered on ITN. This match has been covered quite a bit, so to use the argument that it's not news is ridiculous. Andise1 (talk) 05:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I thought ITN was were we voiced our opinions on news articles, not where Jayron32 accused other people of spouting 'bullshit' and attacking those he disagrees with. How terribly 'self-righteous' of him. I was referring to the frontpages of those sites, clearly this 'bullshit' story is not warranting front page coverage anywhere in the world. Frankly, the fact that you so quickly jump to accusations, attacks and swear words demonstrates a severe lack of character. Thankyou and goodbye Valiant Patriot (talk) 06:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jayron is obviously having a bad day, but, to quote him, "he does need to modify how he interacts with people". Pot, kettle etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Given the nature of boxing, where there's no regular season, matches, or championship structure that we can use as a metric, we have to be very selective of what matches should be included. A significant boxing match would be ITN which would have had significant coverage before it happened would make sense, but this match does not seem to have that. --MASEM (t) 06:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A single boxing match is almost never going to have long-lasting notability. They are usually just a swap of belts, the odd unification bout. If someone was e.g. killed during a prominent fight, that might have long-term implications for the sport and be worthy of consideration here. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the reasons given; I think the heavyweight title might get the attention to be posted. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • TBH, this fight had more press than the last 10 heavyweight bouts combined... or the Swedish election. –HTD 12:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      Can you quantify its long-lasting impact in the world of boxing, or the world of sport, or ... the world? If you object to Swedish elections, please focus your gripe at WT:ITN/R, as you are abundantly aware. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • I dunno if I can quantify its long-lasting impact in the world of boxing; has anyone quantified Oscar Pistorious' murder case's long-lasting impact in the world of murder trials? I don't think anyone has did that.
        Now, I dunno anyone would agree to me, but I could quantify which boxing matches are worth posting. The same way how we judge which "championship match" in other sports with "multiple champions" (Golf, tennis) are posted: if the purse's big enough. Now, I dunno if the purse was big on this one, though. –HTD 19:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • Lots of don't know. This is really not newsworthy, has no long-term impact on the sport, unlike this match for instance. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • This Mayweather fight is actually linked here above the fold, while that match is below the fold already, probably because it happened yesterday, and because some Brit is in the ICU. The fight you had suggested isn't even at ESPN.com's home page, while the Mayweather fight is. A fight being reported prominently in the leading sports websites across the pond? Remarkable. Boxing is always given the afterthought nowadays, mainly because the heavyweights suck. –HTD 20:06, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 12

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[Posted] RD: Ian Paisley

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Article: Ian Paisley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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I have fixed all of them. Jinkinson talk to me 22:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are 2 sentences for an update...meanwhile when you deem something not worthy despite consensus and a bigger update that is not fai r enough for ITN. Lord dictators of ITN...11:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Lihaas (talk)
Give it a rest. There was clear consensus in favour of it being posted, it was updated, albeit briefly, and had the many [citation needed] tags resolved by people who actually work to improve things around here. Get it? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Oscar Pistorius convicted

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Article: Trial of Oscar Pistorius (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ South African athlete Oscar Pistorius is found guilty of culpable homicide of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ South African athlete Oscar Pistorius is found not guilty of murder but guilty of culpable homicide of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.
News source(s): BBC Le Monde CNN Times of India News 24 (South Africa)
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....which is why it is the top headline story around the world, appearing on the top of most news sites, in some cases in large print(including France, the UK, India)- because it isn't newsworthy. This is something people will be interested in learning about, which is what ITN is about. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb. I agree. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Two bold links to the same article? Nein danke. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point - I have no problem with taking one of them out. Neljack (talk) 09:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've amended it to incorporate them into one linked to the article. I don't think we really need to wikilink murder - unlike culpable homicide, it is a generally understood term. Neljack (talk) 09:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Per the FAR more notably ICC/ICJ trials we post the senencing not the conviction.
Make up your mind ITN, for consistencyLihaas (talk) 11:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? We judge consensus. There is no such entity as "ITN" which "makes up its mind". You aren't making any sense at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nigeria church collapse

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Article: 2014 Synagogue Church building collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [32]
Mossad did it no doubt..v.Lihaas (talk) 12:03, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 11

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[Closed] RD: Richard Kiel

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fair chance given, obviously going nowhere. μηδείς (talk) 00:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Richard Kiel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/movies/richard-kiel-actor-who-played-james-bond-villain-jaws-dies-n200621
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  • Oppose Not an actor at the top of the field (well known if you know Bond films, but outside of that...). Not unusual death. --MASEM (t) 02:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a significant actor. He played a significant sidekick for a villain in a couple of films. Not enough.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose He was at the top of his field as a fictional metal-toothed assassin saved by the love of a girl with pigtails, so I'd support if that is the field we are talking about, but as an actor unfortunately not. Belle (talk) 07:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I must agree with the others; while notable for a couple roles(Bond films and Happy Gilmore) he is not very important to the field of acting. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this closure was premature, nominated at bedtime and closed before dawn in the US. The figure was iconic, and reader interest high. No one said subtleness of roles was a requirement for RD, which has plenty of space.
    • We don't use "iconic" as an RD metric; it's "top of the field", and by all measures, Kiel was not close at all due to his limited role. Iconic but not important. --MASEM (t) 17:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • 346,000 Views Today Kiel was certainly top of his field in "monstrous" character acters (forgive me for not finding a more PC way to say that). Again, closing this, overnight, with four opposes in about 6 hours while America was asleep is not seemly, and although I will be happy to support a no vote if tha's consensus, I am not happy to do so under current circumstances. A look at his huge TV and Filmography shows a legitimate reason for leaving this open a full 24 hours--otherwise users not familiar with the process will think a closure is like an ArbCom decision. Are we seriously afraid someoneone besides Joan Rivers will make it to RD? μηδείς (talk) 20:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Played one iconic role, and a bit role in Happy Gilmore. Not at the top of his field, or otherwise making a significant impact. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose only discussed because he was in two Bond movies, otherwise not significant, nowhere near top of his field, no objective evidence to the contrary. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would suggest his over 70 TV and film appearances each with blue links (see his TV & Filmography) easily place him in the realm of Peter Lorre and Vincent Price. His physical disability seems to be the only reason he's treated as below first tier here. μηδείς (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, it's simply because none of those roles were considered top of the line for either film or movies. No nominations or awards to be listed. It has zero to do with his deformity, outside of the fact that he probably got type-casted for roles that called on it (turning that disadvantage into an advantage for himself). --MASEM (t) 02:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per pretty much all of the above. Regular actor who had a regular career. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Sir Donald Sinden

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boldly close due to lack of interest from editors here (no template?) and very small readership compared to Kiel μηδείς (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Donald Sinden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29170107
Credits:

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RD: Leading British actor of stage, screen and TV. Optimist on the run (talk) 05:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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September 10

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[Posted] Germanene

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Article: Germanene (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Germanene, a single atom thick nanomaterial similar to graphene but made of germanium, is synthesized. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists report the first synthesis of Germanene, a single atom thick nanomaterial that is the germanium equivalent of graphene
News source(s): phys.org, natureworldnews.com
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The sources say this semiconducting nanomaterial will have an array of interesting properties and lead to many technological advancements. Graphene is now a $9 billion a year industry and led to Nobels for its discoverers. --Abductive (reasoning) 02:04, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Oppose Technically the discovery of how to synth it right is fine, but that article target is a long way from being a target from the front page, more than just a few sourcing and other tweaks. --MASEM (t) 02:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Article is in better shape, though I would ask if it was possible just to distill a bit more what the uses of the material could be for at a slightly higher (read : broader audience) level. But that shouldn't stop posting of this at this point. --MASEM (t) 15:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Perhaps the discovery of Graphene was notable, the discovery of another very similar compound is not notable. The blurb you propose evidently bases germanene's notability off the mere fact it is 'similar to graphene'. Valiant Patriot (talk) 06:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry for the weakness of my blurb. I am not basing my claim of notability on the similarity to graphene; that was just to describe germanene. As with most of my nominations to ITN/C, I just like to bring these stories to people's attention. Abductive (reasoning) 06:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I created the stub to expand upon. This ITN candidate discussion occurred before I could return to the article. The work was far from suitable for the front page. I have now expanded the prose a bit and added a number of new references. The finding of methods for creation of high-quality films is significant; and could follow the path of previous Nobel-quality discoveries. -Kyle(talk) 08:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Interesting discovery with good encyclopaedic value. The related materials of graphene and silicene are of major importance in the electronics industry, despite only having been discovered a few years ago. Germanium is the second-most-important semiconductor in the world, so this can be expected to have an important impact. The article is uninspiring to look at, but seems a good summary to me and is well-referenced. Modest Genius talk 11:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I added an alternative blurb. This could do with a little more support before posting. Modest Genius talk 11:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stonehenge

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Article: Stonehenge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A hidden complex of monuments, including 17 wooden or stone structures, is discovered near Stonehenge. (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

Nominator's comments: According to the source above, the survey that produced these finds was the "largest geophysical survey ever undertaken". --Jinkinson talk to me 15:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to have been fixed; the lead now contains 1 sentence on the new research and there is a paragraph about it in the section "Archaeological research and restoration". Jinkinson talk to me 00:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposse on grounds that such a discovery is hardly newsworthy. If you type 'stonehenge discovery' into google with any year of your choice post 2000 you'll find a multitude of similar 'discoveries' regarding Stonehenge. Stonehenge has been discovered to death and that circle of rocks doesn't need ITN coverage. Valiant Patriot (talk) 06:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a PR blurb promoting an ongoing archaeological investigation process rather than a newsworthy discovery. It's very interesting, but it's not really "news". Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 9

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[Closed] RD: Bob Suter

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Consensus against. BencherliteTalk 17:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bob Suter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Windorstar
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Very known in the US and should be around the world for that "Miracle on Ice" game. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus and Apple Watch

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No consensus to post, and further discussion will only bring out the fanboys. Stephen 02:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: iPhone 6 (talk · history · tag) and iPhone 6 Plus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Apple Inc. introduces the iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus and Apple Watch at an event in Cupertino, California. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
 --Jinkinson talk to me 23:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment By "these" do you mean all three or just the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus? Because the Apple Watch is a totally new product, not a new version of an old one. Jinkinson talk to me 00:57, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm fine with oppose votes, but WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a sufficient reason for opposing a nomination. Jinkinson talk to me 00:57, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Is it IDONTLIKEIT or ITSAGIMMICK? Either way the point being that there is no significance to this (or any, really) product announcement - Floydian τ ¢ 01:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Franklin's lost expedition

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Article: Franklin's lost expedition (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper announces that one of the boats from Franklin's lost expedition has been discovered. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ One of the boats from Franklin's lost expedition, missing since 1845, is discovered off King William Island.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

 The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Conditional Support My concern as this would be considered a scientific discovery of the verification (I know the article says photographs). I'm assuming it wasn't Harper himself but it would be nice if we had some authority to whom the group/people that made the positive identification; like for any other scientific discovery we'd rather see a peer-review publication to affirm before at ITN. I don't know if we need exactly that here, but I'd rather see details of the verification process before posting. --MASEM (t) 15:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. My understanding is that Harper has been searching for this expedition as a publicity stunt. This is concerning because politicians should never be given a free pass. Anywhere. Abductive (reasoning) 15:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article points out that Canada as a gov't is interesting in finding these ships as it would assert sovereignty over the Northwest Passage (which due to ice cap reduction, is becoming a usable transport corridor). I can certainly sense a bit of self-importance in Haper's motives, but its hard not to argue that this would be of great interest to the overall of Canada to have control on that passage. But then, to me, this makes it more important that we have independent verification of the find. --MASEM (t) 16:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Honestly, placing your own POV on this story is a complete waste of time unless you're prepared to actually help with it. Alt blurb suggested. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Would we want to revise headline to say "The Canadian Government" - it's not Harper who found the boat but rather a government funded expedition. We don't need to follow Conservative Party of Canada communication guidelines / censorship policies -- Tawker (talk) 18:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not sure where it says that Harper found it himself? Curious interpretation. In any case, please see alt blurb (which anyone can suggest by the way). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • The Conservative Party likes to refer to the current Ministry as being the "Harper Government", which causes some people to get rather sensitive about any mention of Harper at all - even when contextually appropriate as in this case - because of the supposed implication that Harper and the Canadian government are synonyms. That said, the ALT1 blurb is better whether you refer to Harper by name or the Government in general. Resolute 00:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT1 no need to mention who found it but only that is was found. same as we do to the new plants and new animals discoveries. in other case, Canada discovered Terror near an IS-land, would be funny.
      – HonorTheKing (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT Both the blurb and the alt is missing a "the" in "one of boats".WinterWall (talk) 22:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt1. Significant discovery, agree with comments about the blurb. Resolute 00:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] 2014 Pakistan - India floods

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Duplicate nomination, see September 6. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2014 Pakistan - India floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 390 were died in India and Pakistan due to worst floods in half a century. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 390 were died due to floods in India and Pakistan.
News source(s): Hindustan Times New York Times
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 --Prateek Malviya•✉•✎ 05:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 8

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[Closed] 2014 US Open – Men's Singles

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Duplicate nomination. Lihaas (talk) 06:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2014 US Open – Men's Singles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Marin Čilić wins the 2014 US Open – Men's Singles. (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: History has een made...and the est ever Asian tenis player.. --Lihaas (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Been decided that this is grouped with the Women's Singles as done in the past (see below). --MASEM (t) 23:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: S. Truett Cathy

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No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: S. Truett Cathy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Seems to have been "a very important figure in his field" in the sense that Chick-Fil-A is (its field being fast food restauraunts in the United States). Or maybe I'm just biased, being from the South. --Jinkinson talk to me 12:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Chick-fil-A is not even in the top 5 US fast food chains, nor was Cathy one of the 10 richest people in the USA. I'm not sure in what sense that puts him at the top of his field. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Colonel Sanders maybe. Gamaliel (talk) 13:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Agree on above assessments of not really being the top of their field, Chic-fil-A does not have anywhere close to the market size as McDs . --MASEM (t) 14:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Barring recent appearances in the news due to the highly controversial remarks and opinions of the ownership, the company itself does not carry much lasting notability, and by extension, neither does the founder.--WaltCip (talk) 14:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Outside of Atlanta and South Florida, Chick-fil-A is a footnote to the rest of the US, as evidenced by this map of their locations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.216.224 (talk) 16:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD, not full blurb I must digress on this matter from the five opposition arguments. Just last year, CFA (Mr. Cathy) bested KFC (Mr. Sanders) in terms of sales in the United States. Business Week, CNN Money, The New York Times CFA is the No. 9 top fast food chain in the United States, where we are the undisputed founders, kings and champions of fast food, is a tremendous accomplishment. QSR Magazine To boot, it has done so with a greatly reduced number of units. This proves loyalty to the brand by beating KFC with just 37 percent of the restaurant locations that KFC has at its disposal. So, I take it by your comments above Mr. Sanders would not even be eligible for RD if you hold that same criteria to Mr. Cathy. For your information, I don't particularly like Mr. Cathy's politics, but his chicken sandwich restaurant is the little engine that could as compared to KFC.AdditionSubtraction (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 7

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  • Asteroid 2014 RC makes a close approach to Earth at 0.1 Lunar Distances (0.000267 astronomical units (39,900 km; 24,800 mi)) at 18:01 UTC (Yahoo News)
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2014 US Open

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Articles: 2014 US Open – Women's Singles (talk · history · tag) and 2014 US Open – Men's Singles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Serena Williams wins the 2014 US Open – Women's Singles for the third time in a row. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, Serena Williams wins the women's singles and Marin Čilić wins the men's singles at the US Open.
News source(s): Huffington Post
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 --Jinkinson talk to me 00:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that is what we usually do; this is also ITNR. 331dot (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We usually post the Women's once it's known, then modify the blurb to add the Men's once that happens. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Muboshgu is correct. They are both ITN/R. If the women's singles is ready, that can be posted and the men's singles added later. Neljack (talk) 22:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as TRM notes, we'll need the results more than just a table w/o sourcing before the women's can be posted. --MASEM (t) 22:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The men's singles was nominated separately but now refers to here. I have changed the section heading to not mention gender. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

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Monsoons and Flooding in Asia

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Article: Climate of Asia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 200 people are killed in monsoons in China, India, and Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): CNN USA Today Fox News ABC UPI
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: This seems notable because of the large death toll. Andise1 (talk) 06:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Df, that's basically my point above. It's like saying the flu killed 2500 last winter in NA. It wasn't one outbreak of one strain over a one week period in Rochester. μηδείς (talk) 02:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As far as i know there were no tropical cyclones affecting India, Pakistan or China over the last week or so. What i believe has happened is that two areas of low pressure have dumped a significant amount of rain on India over the last week during the monsoon season.Jason Rees (talk) 03:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Would you say it would be comparable to May 18–21, 2013 tornado outbreak then? In that while torandoes + damage in the midwest US is common during the spring/summer months, the 4 days of intense activity was extraordinary ? This is why I think a separate article to talk about this specific system would make sense for the target here. --MASEM (t) 03:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the total amount of water that was dumped in the region is so enormous that this will cause problems for the next few weeks. It will slowly make its way to the more densely populated South where the rivers the water is in meet with the Indus river. This problem is probably going to be smaller but of comparable order to the 2010 Pakistan floods. Count Iblis (talk) 14:55, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Iran and US

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Discussion not for ITNC. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Iran–United States relations are really thawing if this is happening. Nergaal (talk)

Why do you choose to not use the template to make nominations like everyone else does? If you want a news story to be on the main page, please use the template when making nominations and fill it in with the relevant information. Andise1 (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 5

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September 5, 2014 (2014-09-05) (Friday)
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Arts and culture
  • Israeli President Shimon Peres meets with Pope Francis at a time of mounting tension in the Middle East. The last meeting between the Pontiff and the Israeli leader came in June, when the Pope invited Peres, along with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, to join in a prayer service for peace. (Reuters)

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Ceasefire in War in Donbass

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Article: War in Donbass (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Ukrainian government and pro-Russian insurgents agree to a ceasefire in the current Ukrainian conflict (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Clearly important point in the Ukrainian conflict. Note that this is from the official levels - everyone seems to be expected pockets of resistance to this. --MASEM (t) 16:04, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

obvious support to replace the ongoing, but wed need some concrete details as to the terms. Also just rebels would work (a la usage for Syria)Lihaas (talk) 17:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*Article now up-to-date. I support this blurb. RGloucester — ☎ 17:24, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Changed my mind. Clearly not much of a "ceasefire" at all. I now oppose inclusion, per TRM. RGloucester — ☎ 21:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, that's better than when I nominated. I know details of these specifics are still not big yet, but that primes the article for those when more come in. --MASEM (t) 17:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not a single one of these cheesefires has been in good faith, it's just an incremental war, like Hitler's, from 32-39. Putin's will obviously be quicker in this case. But the article itself is not an objective self-contained encyclopedic event. The ongoing status is well merited and this development supports it but any blurb is premature. μηδείς (talk) 00:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Again, that type of thinking is crystal balling it. Yes, it might not hold, but the fact there was a formal cease fire agreement is the news and until it is officially broken, that's what we go with. --MASEM (t) 01:12, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Crystal balling it is declaring it is serious and significant ahead of time while it's ongoing and several past such promises have been worth hovno. We have already seen such promises fail. (THanks Eugen μηδείς (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)) There is already an "ongoing" section. Unless the ongoing section is being nominated for deletion (and I may have missed that) there's no need for a separate this week's pretense. μηδείς (talk) 02:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, removing that is part of this nom. --MASEM (t) 02:33, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification, User:Masem. As it stands, I think the status quo is fine, and we can either update with "Russians remove troops from Ukraine" when it happens or leave this as ongoing until either actuallity changes.
What ceasefire? [39] - EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 14:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As noted in my nom, and by reports on the ceasefire, it was unlikely that all violence would immediately stop, due to the nature of command structure and the conflict here. The key is the ceasefire is still agreed to on paper. --MASEM (t) 14:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] 2014 Wales summit

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Not a place for a discussion, try a nomination instead. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:46, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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How come nobody nominated this yet? Nergaal (talk) 11:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because no one has. Are you doing so? 331dot (talk) 14:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOFIXIT. So far they haven't actually done anything except pose for a lot of photo opportunities, so I'm not sure what the news story would be. I suppose there might be an announcement this evening when the summit ends. Modest Genius talk 15:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Generally notable international gatherings of leaders like this get at least a shot as posting; the news seems focused on the creation of the rapid response force and other initiatives dealing with Russia/Ukraine. 331dot (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting a blurb related to this. It's a pretty high level gathering of powerful heads of state and there's been a chorus of very harsh criticism of another large state, a kind that is unusual.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
oppose generic post. When something notably concrete comes out of thefinal ommunique then we an see. (if the focus is eukraine then teres a nother blurb abovev)Lihaas (talk) 17:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose cut and paste a template and fill in the relevant information. μηδείς (talk) 02:33, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 4

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September 4, 2014 (2014-09-04) (Thursday)
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International relations
  • The two-day NATO summit in Newport, Wales, begins. Leaders agree to apply further sanctions on Russia. NATO sources claim that there are "several thousand" Russian troops inside Ukraine. (RTE)

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Arts and culture

2014 Zenica mine disaster

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Article: 2014 Zenica mine disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least five miners are trapped underground after a mine collapses in Bosnia. (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: It is still uncertain if the five unrescued miners are dead or not, so I decided not to put "believed to be dead" (or something like that) in the hook. --Jinkinson talk to me 19:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral First, we need the article updated, the link above says 29 have been rescued but the article does not state that; I'm also worried if this can be expanded any further beyond what's given, making the article better as part of something like Mining accident (or some closely related page) Second, assuming the worst that 5 miners died, I'm not sure if on the scale of the larger world that's really significant. I know we've posted mining incidents in the past but usually when the rescue effort is prolonged (The Chilian one comes to mind). Hence I'm neutral on this, as we've overlooked larger earthquakes that end up with death tolls less than 10 in the past. --MASEM (t) 20:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: article now clearly says "five were killed". Mercifully low death toll, but in my view therefore not worthy of front page coverage unless unexpected developments occur or more notable details are revealed. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Barring new information, this doesn't seem significant enough at this time- I'm not even sure an article is warranted in the first place. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless there's some indication of foul play or an other extenuating circumstance its a risk of the business. μηδείς (talk) 04:43, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose not a great article, not a massively significant news item. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dreadnoughtus schrani

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Article: Dreadnoughtus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ One of the largest dinosaurs ever, and one of the most complete titanosaurian sauropod dinosaurs, Dreadnoughtus schrani, is discovered in southern Patagonia. (Post)
News source(s): Nature New York Times BBC Popular Mechanics CBS News The Guardian Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Seems notabe enough for ITN. Andise1 (talk) 07:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gustavo Cerati

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Article: Gustavo Cerati (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: RD only (has been under medical care for a few years so more a matter of waiting); appears to be important musician in Latin American circles including winning at least one Latin Grammy award. --MASEM (t) 20:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Joan Rivers

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Article: Joan Rivers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: RD only; died at old age at complications from a heart attack at 81 --MASEM (t) 19:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please may you explain this comment, The Rambling Man? WP:NLT applies. 86.158.181.1 (talk) 22:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
99% sure this was a Joan Rivers-ism (or at least a Rivers-like quote) that TRM is citing and in no way a legal threat or attempt a such. eg it is a humorous addition. --MASEM (t) 22:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it refers to the fact that he supported it and posted it anyway(which I have zero problem with). 331dot (talk) 01:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's normal policy that an obvious nomination with four immediate supports, no opposes, and that meets all other requirements, is subject to immediate posting by an independent admin. In this case someone might have made a complaint there was an appearance of irregularity, but on further analysis it would have been found the action was correct. μηδείς (talk) 03:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly WP:SNOW is the link you are after. GoldenRing (talk) 05:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
DEAR dear...someone had to have the last laught.v. In her own ords: "getting what they deserved". "you know what the Chinese say cookie? beware what you wish for"Lihaas (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just toclarify for posterity, there is a 2 senetence update on her death from yest....and it apparently is reason enough for an ITN update. (per precedence now set)Lihaas (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the update encompasses all of what's been happening these past few days, from the surgery to the medically induced coma to the death. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support full blurb. Rivers, even in her 80s, was still active in her field and died of a botched surgery -- not old age. She was a significant figure in her field as well. Calidum Talk To Me 11:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, keep RD. While she did not "die of old age", people in their 80s are at a higher risk of dying, due to medical procedures or otherwise. She had been in the hospital on life support for a week (I think) which means it wasn't entirely unexpected, either. I don't think she warrants a blurb on those grounds or due to her career(she was not the greatest comedian of all time). 331dot (talk) 11:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, keep RD She was old, her death wasn't expected, but nonetheless she was in critical condition for several days, and also the sheer degree of american and euro-centrism with regard to blurbs is audacious in my view; she is virtually unknown outside of the US and some European countries. JDiala (talk) 13:25, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: does a long life, and/or health issues, in some way mitigate or reduce the notability of an entire career? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you are referring to the opposition to a blurb on the grounds that she was old and/or ill, generally RD is for posting the deaths of notable people, while a blurb is for deaths where the death is newsworthy itself. While her death is getting a lot of attention, that is largely due to her celebrity status and not the suddenness/unexpectedness of it. Occasionally we also post a blurb when the deceased was essentially #1 in importance in their field, too(which I don't think Rivers was). 331dot (talk) 14:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
hmmm...pseud-subjective. is not doubt RW was miles above notability to this boadLihaas (talk) 17:23, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Brain to brain communication in humans

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No prizes for guessing what I'm thinking here about this nomination's prospects. BencherliteTalk 23:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Damn! at least a barnstar? ;)Lihaas (talk) 09:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC) [reply]

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Article: No article specified
Blurb: ​ For the first time, neuroscientists transmit a message from a person's brain in India to three people's brains in France. (Post)
News source(s): EurekAlert Science Alert cnet Daily Mail
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Nominator's comments: I wasn't sure what the correct article to link was so if anyone knows a suitable article feel free to add it to the blurb or suggest an altblurb. Andise1 (talk) 06:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. If you look up the actual article in PLOS One (alarm bells ringing straight away there), rather than relying on the 'science' reporting of the Daily Mail (!) of all places, you'll see why I opposed. It has a three paragraph 'results' section, which contains very few actual results and is very light on any quantifiable data. Basically, a dressed up press statement, which may or may not be entirely composed of bovine excrement. (EDIT:Technically not even a nomination, since there is no article linked) Fgf10 (talk) 08:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Erm, no. By their own admission "publish first, judge later". Have you seen the kind of crap that's in there some times? Perfectly good stuff as well, but you wonder why it didn't go into a proper journal if it was good enough. Especially stuff like this does them no favours at all. But that's beyond what we should be discussing here. Fgf10 (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 3

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September 3, 2014 (2014-09-03) (Wednesday)
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Science and technology
  • Two species of dendrogramma, found off the coast of Australia in 1986, are discovered to be unclassifiable in any existing phylum. (Guardian)

[Posted] Dendrogramma

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Article: Dendrogramma (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two species of dendrogramma, found off the coast of Australia in 1986, are discovered to be unclassifiable in any existing phylum. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Newly described dendrogramma specimens may represent a previously unknown phylum of animal life.
News source(s): Guardian
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: This discovery may lead to the creation of a new phylum, which would be a significant event for the science of biology. To see how rare and interesting of an occurrence this is, take a look at Dendrogramma#Reactions, which says it better than I ever could. --— Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:17, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • OpposePost-posting Weak Support (eta due to updated blurb to indicate "may") I was looking at this last night to add to here (the event that a new phylum is a rare event, maybe 4 times per century), however, this story is basically saying that the only samples they've found of Dendrogramma appear to be a new phylum, but the samples, due to how they were stored, were ruined genetically to be able to make the assurance that this was a new phylum and that fresh samples, stored in a manner as to not ruin the DNA, would be needed. And that's not something that's going to happen overnight. (Even the peer-reviewed paper this is in ends on that effect; all microscopic signs point to a new phylum but they can't state that 100% without the DNA to test). --MASEM (t) 13:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Well, actually, the DNA would not confirm this as a new phylum, but just allow its placement in the tree of life. It's certain this critter's body plan (body plans are where scientists like to erect phyla) is very unusual, and ITN posts taxonomically uninteresting new species so why not a new phylum? Abductive (reasoning) 17:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My issue is that it is not confirmed yet. Yes, the chances that it is a new phylum based on its biological structure appears very strong, and it wouldn't have been published in a peer reviewed journal if that wasn't a very strong theory. But they can't put it into the books that it is one yet, they need samples uncontaiminated by formaldehyde or ethanol so they can do the generic profile and verify it is sufficiently different from the two other nearby phylums. And importantly, the authors of the paper themselves caution "we think this is new but we need more samples to test"; it's not a random skeptic throwing doubt at this. --MASEM (t) 17:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I will add in light of the comments below is that the only reason my oppose is that right now is of the doubt that the researchers themselves had. This is an ITN item if there was more surety to the claim, when we compare to other stories that we post (eg we don't post merges when they are announced but after they are completed) If other editors are fine with posting this now, then that's fine, as the story should be posted ITN at some point. --MASEM (t) 20:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support regardless of lack of DNA, the physiological uniqueness alone justifies the erection of a new class or order, both of which would merit posting. μηδείς (talk) 19:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support while I understand Masems argument these are nonetheless highly interesting new species, which in my opinion is enough to post them already. Also current blurb doesn't actually suggest that they necessarily belong to a completely new phylum so there is no problem there either. SeraV (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Highly unusual new organism, whether or not it ultimately gets recorded as a new phylum. I've suggested an alternative blurb that I think works a little better. Dragons flight (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt Blurb with "specimens of the genus Dendrogramma" is supported. This really should go up now unless there's a complaint that we don't post new species. μηδείς (talk) 03:49, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep, the alt blurb looks better than the one I thought of. I won't mind at all if my suggestion isn't used. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with the alt blurb. Prioryman (talk) 07:03, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting altblurb with a slight modification. I am not sure about the picture, all the small text is hard to see in 100px. --Tone 08:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 2

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September 2, 2014 (2014-09-02) (Tuesday)
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Law and crime

Politics and elections

[Posted] Gorham's Cave

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Article: Gorham's Cave (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Archaeologists announce the discovery of possibly the world's oldest piece of abstract art (pictured), attributed to Neanderthals, in Gorham's Cave, Gibraltar. (Post)
News source(s): http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/neanderthal-abstract-art-found-gibraltar-cave
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Lots of news about this today (see [41]). I've persuaded one of the archaeologists who excavated the find to upload an image of it for us to use. The discovery is unique (thought to be the only known example of Neanderthal abstract art) and the story behind it is interesting, and certainly a change from the run of the mill in ITN recently. --Prioryman (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Ongoing: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

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Okay, so it's a huge and cumbersome article, but with the alleged second beheading today of another American, and with mass executions and accusations of ethnic cleansing we should have something on the ITN section. It's sub-optimal, but this article is vaguely up to date. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Withdrawn] RD: Norman Gordon

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Withdrawn by nominator. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Norman Gordon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): REUTERS
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The world's oldest test cricketer died at 103. --Nathan121212 (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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September 1

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September 1, 2014 (2014-09-01) (Monday)
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Law and crime

Ongoing: Pakistan anti-government protest

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Article: 2014 Pakistan anti-government protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pakistan anti-government protest (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pakistan unrest
News source(s): NYT, Guardian, ToI, BBC

 -- Legaleagle86 (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate under ongoing category. The article is well updated, the unrest is ongoing, has been covered by numerous newsoutlets etc. and has also been mentioned in the wiki Current Events portal. The unrest is important because it may lead to change in government and has already led to hundreds of casualties. Legaleagle86 (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "Contract Employee Charged in Fire That Grounded Chicago Flights". ABC News. Retrieved 27 September 2014.
  2. ^ "Joachim Gauck welcomes presidents to Mecklenburg to adress demographic change and commemorate the Wende". Official Presidential Website (de). Retrieved 18 September 2014.
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