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December 31

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December 31, 2018 (2018-12-31) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • A bomb explosion outside a busy shopping mall in the city of Cotabato, Philippines, kills 2 people and injures 34 others. (CNN)
  • Manchester Victoria stabbing attack
    • Three people are injured after being stabbed in an attack at Manchester Victoria station. The attacker shouted "Allah" during the attack. The attack is being treated as a terror-related incident, police have confirmed, and due to concerns over his mental health, the suspect is being held under the Mental Health Act. (BBC)

Disasters and accidents

International relations
  • Russia's FSB state security agency says it has arrested a U.S. citizen "caught spying" in Moscow. According to former CIA officials the arrest was done as a retaliation for the arrest of alleged Russian spy Maria Butina. (BBC) (Daily Beast)

Politics and elections

(Posted): Magnitogorsk building collapse

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Article: 2018 Magnitogorsk building collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A building collapses in Magnitogorsk, Russia, killing 38 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Number of deaths updated as of this day. Brandmeistertalk 11:12, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ray Sawyer

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Article: Ray Sawyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: short article but should be okay DannyS712 (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kader Khan

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Article: Kader Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2] [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Veteran Afghan-born, Indian-Canadian Bollywood film actor, screenwriter, comedian and director who acted in more than 300 films DBigXrayᗙ 07:30, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalistroadster and Sherenk1. Based on your suggestions I have forked out the filmography article and did some major work in improving the references in the article. Please take a relook. --DBigXrayᗙ 20:55, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Spencer, appreciate the kind feedback. I will see if more can be done to improve the meat. Yes, IMHO, the conditions of WP:In_the_news#Article_quality are met. lets keep the stricter conditions for the GA review. --DBigXrayᗙ 04:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Bangladeshi general election

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Article: 2018 Bangladeshi general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Awami League led by Sheikh Hasina has been reelected. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Amid violence, the Awami League wins the general election in Bangladesh.
News source(s): BBC News, The Times of India
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest the Bangladesh Awami League. Sca (talk) 13:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 30

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December 30, 2018 (2018-12-30) (Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime
Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Héctor Timerman

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Article: Héctor Timerman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Argentinian politician and diplomat. Article looks sufficient - Dumelow (talk) 12:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Lawrence Roberts

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Stale. SpencerT•C 03:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lawrence Roberts (scientist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: One of the so-called fathers of the Internet, as he was one of the critical leaders of ARPANET. Note that while his death was on the 26th, and word of it spread via social media over the weekend (mostly through Vinton G. Cerf), only this day is when RSes are starting to catch news of his death. The article should be in good shape (I fixed a missing ref and added about the death). Masem (t) 02:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Mrinal Sen

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Article: Mrinal Sen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Veteran Indian film director. Slight referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) TPP comes into effect for six countries

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Article: Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, the third largest free trade area in the world, comes into effect for Australia, Canada, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand and Singapore. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Quartz

 2001:268:C1C1:683A:3C9E:8CF7:16A5:D3B8 (talk) 05:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly not – if you happen to be a wombat.
Happy New Year! – Sca (talk)
How can we label it "In the News" if it's not in the news media that most readers of English-language Wikipedia are exposed to?
In the case of major natural disasters, wars, etc. in non-English-speaking countries, such events usually are widely reported in Eng.-lang. media, so there's no problem with posting them on ITN. If events aren't significant enough to make Eng.-lang. media, they're unlikely to be of wide significance.
English has long since become the international language – for which the 1.2 billion of us who speak it as a first or second language can only be grateful.
Anyway, this particular event directly affects three English-speaking countries – Australia, New Zealand and Canada – so its absence from Eng.-lang. media raises doubts as to significance, IMO. Sca (talk) 15:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Part of the reason is our (ITN's) approach to when to post stories like the onset of trade pacts, posting when the pact happens rather than when it is ratified. (same with business mergers, etc.) The ratification is usually the more newsworthy event, the actual onset a footnote. Certainly, via google news, around March 8, 2018, when the TTP was signed, it was well-covered by English sources (BBC, Bloomberg, etc.) That's a situation we put ourselves in for wanting to avoid CRYSTALBALL events. On that basis, we should look to make sure that events like ratification were well-covered, and still post even if the actual passing wasn't. --Masem (t) 15:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I can pretty much buy that, although I'm a little nervous about retroactive significance, so to speak. It's just that I don't remember seeing much coverage of the TPP signing – but maybe that's my septuagenarian memory in (in)action. Sca (talk) 15:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 29

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December 29, 2018 (2018-12-29) (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • In response to a roadside bombing that killed three Vietnamese tourists and an Egyptian tour guide the previous day, Egyptian police kill 40 suspected militants. (The New York Times)
  • Yemeni Civil War

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Closed) RD: Aldo Parisot

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 10:18, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Aldo Parisot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): yale school of music
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: quality good enough for RD DannyS712 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted as RD) RD: June Whitfield

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Article: June Whitfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Dame June Whitfield, pioneer of women in comedy with over 1300 credits in British radio, television, and film, dies aged 93. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Obituary The Guardian, The Independent, The Daily Telegraph, CNN, The Irish Times, Dagbladet
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Iconic comic actress. Death just announced died.BBC 213.205.198.190 (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Over 120 items in "Film and television" but not a single source (although many are blue links, of course). Support posting in principle, given her stature in UK comedy, but not prepared to try and source all of those single-handed, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 29 December 2018 (UTC) (thanks to a recent spate of vandalism, the article is now protected for three days, so now even the IP nominator can't improve)[reply]
And also Kingsif, who added more refs than me (though we did get our wires crossed a little). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article needs citations, but I'd even support a blurb for her since she pioneered and opened up comedy for women way back when - as every obituary is focusing on, even more than her Miss Marple and being knighted. Kingsif (talk) 23:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support now referencing is largely complete. MurielMary (talk) 11:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We're still missing about ~15% of the role credits, otherwise support. Oppose blurb, just not that high a level of significance here (long career != significance). --Masem (t) 16:50, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not long career so much as the first woman to be a lead comedy actress, appearing in over 100 (mostly comedic) roles a year since the early 50s. That's a world changing impact in her field, undoubtedly. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 28

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December 28, 2018 (2018-12-28) (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

International relations

Law and crime

(Closed) RD: Nancy Roman

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Stale. Stephen 23:40, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Nancy Roman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, WaPost
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The first chief of astronomy at NASA's office of Space Science and was the "mother" of the Hubble telescope, champion of securing scientific support and funding for it, among other achievements at NASA. While she died on the 26th, first RS mention appears to be the 28th. Masem (t) 14:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Georges Loinger

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Article: Georges Loinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French resistance fighter who rescued Jews during World War II dies at age 108. Article is short with one cn-tag. Davey2116 (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Weisner

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Article: Tom Weisner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article had GA status. Well sourced and updated --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:54, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I never shy away from hard work like that. The decision was justified. See here. There was some serious POV battle on this article. I thought the best option was to return the article to a condition similar to when it pass GA review. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'll accept that, fair enough reason, though obviously I'd hope someone woudl review what was removed later and try to source and correct in line with policy. --Masem (t) 14:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Nationwide 9-1-1 outage

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No consensus to post. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: CenturyLink (talk · history · tag) and 9-1-1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A technical problem with telecommunications provider CenturyLink causes 9-1-1 service to be disrupted across the United States of America. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/us/centurylink-outage-911-calls/index.html https://whdh.com/news/nationwide-centurylink-outage-impacting-911-cellphone-calls-in-massachusetts/
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A nationwide outage of the most important phone number and a lack of an ability to report emergencies is definitely news-worthy. 24.34.85.169 (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Amos Oz

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Article: Amos Oz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-46700471
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Acclaimed Israeli writer, journalist, intellectual and professor. Regarded as Israel's most famous living author. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:48, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support --SirEdimon (talk) 02:27, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Meghalaya mining accident

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Closed per nominator. Re-nominate when the rescue or recovery or whatever is concluded. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Meghalaya mining accident (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC2 3
Credits:
Nominator's comments:
Operations are underway to rescue 15 miners who are trapped in a mine in Meghalaya, India, since 13 December 2018.
 DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 09:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Tone: If I want to remove this from ITN for the time being, do I just delete this entire section? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 27

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December 27, 2018 (2018-12-27) (Thursday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture
  • Richard Arvin Overton, the oldest U.S. veteran from World War II, as well as the oldest American man, dies at age 112. (Newsweek), (CNN)
  • Argentina lifts a travel ban on Canadian singer Justin Bieber, who had been previously banned from the country for his role in the beating of a photographer in November 2013. A Document of Resolution was signed last week, officially ending Bieber's ban, so Bieber may now freely return to the country. (Daily Mail)

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Børge Ring

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Article: Børge Ring (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: RD, death was 27 December so within time, article is short but comprehensive. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Richard Arvin Overton

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 23:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Richard Arvin Overton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/richard-overton-oldest-ww-ii-vet-died/index.html
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American supercentenarian who was verified as oldest man in the US and oldest World War II vet Snickers2686 (talk) 03:10, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my support pending addition of refs for military awards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:02, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Update: restoring the image size to 175px appears to fix this. I don't know why, but suggest that it be protected while on the main page to ensure that this isn't removed --DannyS712 (talk) 03:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DannyS712, I apologize but I am dealing with a real world situation right now and am about to log off, probably for the night. I suggest you take this to WP:ANI. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Ongoing: United States federal government shutdown of December 2018

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Article: United States federal government shutdown of December 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, WaPo
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ongoing nom since the government has been partially shut down for almost a week at this point, with no end in sight. Davey2116 (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by "not a true shutdown"; several government departments are unfunded and closed as a result at this time. It is true that many employees take time off for the holidays and so the actual effect is minimal until their expected time off is over- but Twitter is already filled with stories from federal employees unable to pay their bills because they are not working. This is a "true shutdown". 331dot (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 26

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December 26, 2018 (2018-12-26) (Wednesday)
Arts and culture

Business and economy

Politics and elections

(Closed) Antarctica solo crossing

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Widely disputed. Stephen 23:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Colin O'Brady (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American endurance athlete Colin O'Brady becomes the first person to cross Antarctica solo and unaided. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I'm quite surprised that no one has accomplished such a feat in the 100+ year history of Antarctic exploration but this seems like a very notable story. EternalNomad (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is well enough. One might argue that it's not a THAT important feat, but given the usual late-december news drought I say we should give it a chance. I mean, the most recent item is already 5 days old. Openlydialectic (talk) 11:09, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Update would look better with more details (means of crossing, weather conditions, etc). Brandmeistertalk 12:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Sono Osato

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Article: Sono Osato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully referenced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Penny Cook

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Article: Penny Cook (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/australian-actor-penny-cook-dead-at-61-20181227-p50og6.html
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully referenced MurielMary (talk) 06:23, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sigi Schmid

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Article: Sigi Schmid (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American soccer coach with the record for most MLS wins and hugely influential on the game's recent (post-1990) development in the U.S.; article is an FA but is need of updating for his later coaching career. SounderBruce 01:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sister Wendy

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Article: Wendy Beckett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I'd not come across her before but the BBC is giving her a big send off. Andrew D. (talk) 23:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good work! Posting. --Tone 22:50, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Theodore Antoniou

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Stale (non-admin closure) --1779Days (talk) 00:11, 29 December 2018 (UTC)--[reply]

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Article: Theodore Antoniou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The "Major works" section still needs references. –FlyingAce✈hello 19:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 25

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December 25, 2018 (2018-12-25) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

International relations

Law and crime
  • A man stabs a local government official and a police officer to death in the streets of Longyan, China, then hijacks a bus and drove it into pedestrians, killing eight people and wounding 22 others. Authorities said the perpetrator "took revenge on society" after a dispute with local officials about his father's veteran benefits. (CNN)
  • Cannabis in Thailand
    • Thailand approves marijuana for medical use and research. The country voted to amend the Narcotic Act of 1979 prior to the New Year’s holiday. (BBC) (CNBC)

(Closed) RD: Bill Baillie

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 16:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bill Baillie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): washington post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: World record runner DannyS712 (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Syed Ali Raza Abidi

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 16:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Syed Ali Raza Abidi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 58.27.134.35 (talk) 11:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD Larry Eisenberg

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 15:57, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Larry Eisenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Well known biomedical engineer and science fiction author. Needs a little work in referencing but the article is, surprisingly, not in horrible shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:09, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sulagitti Narasamma

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Article: Sulagitti Narasamma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully sourced, including awards list MurielMary (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi

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Article: Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Grand Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi a senior Iranian cleric and a former chief justice, died in Tehran after a long illness (Post)
News source(s): reuters
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Nominator's comments: fully sourced event, death of a senior Iranian cleric and a former chief justice as well as a close ally of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Saff V. (talk) 08:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Martha Erika Alonso

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Article: Martha Erika Alonso Hidalgo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  A helicopter carrying Martha Erika Alonso Hidalgo, the Governor of Puebla, and her husband, Senator Rafael Moreno Valle Rosas, crashes near the city of Puebla, killing both. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A helicopter crash near Puebla, Mexico kills all five aboard, including Puebla Governor Martha Erika Alonso Hidalgo and her husband and Senator Rafael Moreno Valle Rosas.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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 Juxlos (talk) 01:07, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael Moreno Valle Rosas also died in the crash — he had previously been the governor of Puebla and was serving his second term in the Senate. Raymie (t • c) 01:24, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Barbara Kloka Hackett

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Article: Barbara Kloka Hackett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.detroitnews.com/story/obituaries/2018/12/23/federal-judge-barbara-kloka-hackett-obituary/2401572002/
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Fully sourced MurielMary (talk) 09:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Simcha Rotem

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Currently, this is stale for RD (even though Eileen Battersb is in the 22nd section on this page, she died on the 23rd, the day after Rotem). There is no consensus for a blurb to be posted. This was a (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 08:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Simcha Rotem (talk · history · tag) and Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Simcha Rotem, the last surviving fighter of the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, also a participant in the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, dies aged 94. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Simcha Rotem, the last surviving fighter of the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, dies at the age of 94.
News source(s): (Deutsche Welle) (Ynetnews)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Resistance hero. Article was peacefully updated. May also be RD. Wakari07 (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud

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Article: Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Saudi prince. Article looks OK to me - Dumelow (talk) 09:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Sunda Strait tsunami

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Article: 2018 Sunda Strait tsunami (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An eruption by Anak Krakatau in Indonesia causes a tsunami, killing at least 168 people and injuring over 700. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A tsunami hits Sunda Strait, Indonesia, killing at least 168 people and injuring over 700.
News source(s): The Jakarta Post or really just look up "Tsunami" on a search engine
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Relatively new event. Expect death tolls to rise. Also, the tsunami seemed to lack a tectonic event. Juxlos (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's clearly enough details and assessment of deaths to know this will be posted once a minimum article quality is reached. If there was an incident but no word of any deaths or injuries, that would be the point to wait. --Masem (t) 03:53, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paddy Ashdown

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Article: Paddy Ashdown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: UK politician, former leader of the Liberal Democrats. The news is just breaking but I had 3 edit conflicts trying to update the article, but it looks in good shape. Thryduulf (talk) 20:06, 22 December 2018 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 20:06, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support RD not flawless (and probably worth waiting an hour for the high-volume editing to die down) but nothing significant that will prevent posting this. Certainly not blurb-worthy, but just prominent enough someone might suggest one. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:11, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with your comments about a blurb. He was a prominent figure in British politics for decades, so it's not unreasonable to ask the question but I think the answer is no as he never held high office and wasn't otherwise a major international figure. Thryduulf (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD death been up dated (I was one of the edit conflicts), and article good enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:14, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eileen Battersby

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Article: Eileen Battersby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTE, Irish Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Chief Literary Critic of the Irish Times, died in a car crash aged 60. Article looks OK to me, but I'm not well-qualified to judge such matters (plus 5pm on Christmas Eve is perhaps not the best time to be expecting people to be updating articles). - Tlhslobus (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • At least 23 people are killed and 14 injured in Dang Deukhuri District, Nepal, when a bus carrying students and their teachers returning from a botanical trip runs off a road and plunges 700 meters into a ravine. (BBC)
  • At least 13 miners, eleven Poles and two Czechs, are killed and 10 injured in a methane explosion in a coal mine in Karvina, Czech Republic. (BBC)
  • Five people are killed and dozens injured when a train slams into a bus carrying school students in Niš, Serbia. (BBC)

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(Closed) RD: Tom Leonard

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Article: Tom Leonard (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Some issues, but seems reasonably close. ghost 13:16, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Removed) Remove: Yellow vest movement

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Article: Yellow vests movement (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: I have no doubt that some people somewhere in France are standing around in a yellow vest protesting. This story has largely fallen out of the headlines (particularly since the Christmas market attack); the article is still getting updates but it's mostly content tweaks, re-orgs and some reactions from Taiwan; the last substantial update in the timeline is "Act V" (what does that even mean) on December 15 sort of related to the 2018 Strasbourg attack and before that December 10 with a speech from Macron. Like California wildfires we pull it when the story is done, not when the event is done. Time to take it down, I think. LaserLegs (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ammarpad You seem to be saying that you support removal, but you wrote "oppose". 331dot (talk) 08:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. I fixed it. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:58, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Cuba's baseball federation and Major League Baseball reach a deal that will allow Cuban players to compete in the USA without defecting. (BBC)

(Closed) RD: F. W. Bernstein

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Article: F. W. Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FNP
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only professor for cartoons and comics in Germany, satirist, Neue Frankfurter Schule --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Donald Moffat

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Article: Donald Moffat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Veteran film and Broadway actor. CoatCheck (talk) 15:06, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Audrey Geisel

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Article: Audrey Geisel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, WaPost
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Nominator's comments: Please note this is not a normal RD nomination, as Geisel does not have a true standalone article but is redirected to Dr. Seuss, as she was his widow and she was notable for maintaining his estate and overseeing the various adaptions of his work since his death. However, she does not have her own page on WP, nor would I think it appropriate given how much of her life is around Dr. Seuss. Many sources are giving her long-form obits, so there's clearly notability there. This is a unique situation, in that this should only be an RD, but I have not marked it as an RD because it doesn't meet the specific RD fit; consider this nom an IAR suggestion. There are some small sourcing problems on Seuss's page. Masem (t) 05:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, Audrey warrants three sentences in the article, which we’d never post if it were a standalone stub. Stephen 22:43, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is simple, Masem. She does not have an article currently and writing one seems unlikely. If indeed there are "long-form obits" and reports about here life then start an article for her. My "long-form obits" in scare quotes does not mean to diss the orbits nor her life, I really never know her whatsoever, but it means to show if they cannot be used to build an article, then they're lacking in something contrary to how you're suggesting they're. The way RD works is fine, one should really have an article to be considered, and we do post a lot of articles which are barely stubs. RD is a privilege not a right. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:46, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) US President Trump orders the withdrawal of all US troops from Syria

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Good faith nomination but it is clear that consensus to post this is not going to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ US President Donald Trump orders the withdrawal of all US troops from Syria. (Post)
News source(s): Almost every network, eg Time, CNN, Al Jazeera, etc
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Clearly a major story, especially in the US, but with major implications for the Middle East and geopolitics. The withdrawal has already begun, according to the White House. I leave it up to others to add altblurbs about the controversy, about the claimed/disputed victory over ISIS, etc, if they wish to do so. Earlier POV nom by IP was rightly snow-closed. Article not yet updated. I've had to change 100 days (heard from the BBC) to 30 days (per above Time link), although many sources expect 60 to 100 days will be needed in practice. It also currently seems unclear whether we should say 'all US troups', or 'all US ground troups'. Article has been updated in both the lead and the body of the article (a section to which the blurb is now linking). That update did not originally repeat Time's 30 day claim, so I removed that from here (though it's also 30 days in NYT: 'Defense Department officials said that Mr. Trump had ordered that the withdrawal be completed in 30 days.'). Tlhslobus (talk) 05:13, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Trump had long indicated he wanted to remove troops there since April at least, this is not a surprising development. Further, the media is jumping on this as sensationalist news - its very similar to how the UK press was attacking PM May over the Brexit stuff over the last week. --Masem (t) 05:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the impression one gets from reading what the article lead says about 2018, backed by cited sources, but of course if we want to dismiss all our Reliable Sources as Fake News, then we can presumably post or not post anything we like (especially in relation to Trump who has been saying lots of things on lots of subjects for years; on that basis, for instance, we wouldn't post a US withdrawal from NATO as it would 'not be a surprising development' given what Trump has said in the past). Indeed on that basis we could almost never post the end of any country's involvement in any war, since there will almost always have been some indication beforehand that the possibility was being considered. Tlhslobus (talk) 08:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Currently it seems Trump is still mulling the withdrawal, but hasn't issued the relevant order as the commander-in-chief. The Dept. of Defense website hasn't announced the withdrawal either, although it has a link to its Twitter account saying "We have started the process of returning U.S. troops home from #Syria as we transition to the next phase of the campaign". Brandmeistertalk 09:21, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, do you have a reliable source for 'still mulling over'? Tlhslobus (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That is my reading of news sources - despite the headlines, the situation is unclear. The Dept. of State site currently doesn't mention the withdrawing either. Perhaps wait a bit longer to let the dust settle. Brandmeistertalk 11:34, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
According to this source, after the tweet and the White House announcement, State Department cancelled a scheduled press briefing. That in itself is quite notable already. Wakari07 (talk) 13:33, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is not that the RS are fake news here, but that with Trump as controversial a president as he is, the news sources cover every action he does in such a critical manner moreso than any president prior, and that creates sensationalist news, making such events seem like the end of the world or the like with how much they cover it. We have to be aware of this media subject inflation in evaluating ITN stories. --Masem (t) 15:25, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The news source here is the Pentagon, not Twitter. It's Putin here who is happy, not Ivanka. Wakari07 (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The news sources we use to judge whether something is ITN is the mainstream media that are repeated what the Pentagon, the White House, and others involved have said and added their own spin atop it. That's the sensationalism part at play. --Masem (t) 17:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Bill Slater

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Article: Bill Slater (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Penny Marshall

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Article: Penny Marshall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Daily News
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Nominator's comments: American actress. StrikerforceTalk 18:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to fix it.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
IMDb is not a reliable source for Wikipedia. I just added a Variety article as a source for a number of entries in the filmography (though most of the specific character and episode names are not sourced in that article, so the section may need further cleanup). Funcrunch (talk) 02:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Try [20] & [21]ghost 13:06, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Stephen for the reply. I remembered the endless discussions but not the outcome! Thanks. MurielMary (talk) 23:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Francis Roache

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Article: Francis Roache (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: American cop and politician. Article looks good to me - Dumelow (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Miss Universe 2018

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Article: Miss Universe 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Catriona Gray of the Philippines is crowned Miss Universe 2018. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Catriona Gray representing the Philippines is crowned Miss Universe 2018.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ángela Ponce becomes the first transgender woman to compete in the Miss Universe pageant, won by Catriona Gray of the Phillipines.
News source(s): [22]
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Article updated
 BabbaQ (talk) 03:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: several editors below use the terms "good faith" and "bad faith". I did not use any of them in my comment, and they are irrelevant here (disruptive ≠ bad faith). wumbolo ^^^ 14:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You said that this nomination is disruptive; that suggests some sort of nefarious motive in making the nomination on the part of the nominator(at least to me). I guess we will just have to disagree about that, but I hope that a well meaning editor was not driven off with your statements that they were disruptive. 331dot (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wumbolo I see no evidence that this nomination is anything other than in good faith. If you have evidence of bad faith or intent to disrupt, please offer it or withdraw the comment. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominating an insignificant event every year, without remotely reflecting on the fact that the past year's nomination failed, is disruptive. wumbolo ^^^ 13:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Or, the user is checking to see if consensus has changed. That's not bad faith or disruptive. We don't have a "never nominate" list. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this appears to be a good-faith nomination. There is no moratorium on nominating events that previously failed to gain consensus, though of course they usually meet the same outcome. Modest Genius talk 14:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) From the policy you cited: Editors may propose a change to current consensus, especially to raise previously unconsidered arguments or circumstances. On the other hand, proposing to change a recent consensus can be disruptive. The nominator raised zero previously unconsidered arguments or circumstances. Since the nominator did not attempt to contest the previous consensus, it should not be changed. wumbolo ^^^ 14:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A year ago is not recent enough to be disruptive. A day, a week, or even a few months, maybe, but not a year. I strongly disagree with your characterization of this nomination even as knowing (and agreeing with the fact that) it will likely fail. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What previous consensus? As far as I know, the article titled Miss Universe 2018 has not yet been brought up for discussion. --Jayron32 19:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Miss Universe has been a notable event since 1926, possibly before you were born. STSC (talk) 14:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So? Age is not in the ITN criteria. Modest Genius talk 14:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You're confusing "existing" with "being notable." I'd agree that people once cared about Miss America, but that time passed decades ago. This one is even less notable. ghost 14:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. My view hasn't changed since last year: no beauty pageants are sufficiently important (in terms of either encyclopaedic value or media interest) to merit an ITN blurb. No rationale was presented in the nomination, so there's really no reason to change my opinion. Besides, the article is little more than a bunch of tables and a description of the venue. Modest Genius talk 14:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Your rationale of "not sufficiently important in terms of either encyclopaedic value or media interest" would apply to Hockey World Cup, such a minority sport. STSC (talk) 15:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That would make it a decent DYK item. 331dot (talk) 17:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: T. K. Wetherell

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Article: T. K. Wetherell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American university president and politician. I had to do a little housekeeping on the article but it looks sufficient - Dumelow (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stephen. I have taken a look and think I got them all - Dumelow (talk) 01:31, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs attention) 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis

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Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ranil Wickremesinghe is reinstated as Prime Minister and Mahinda Rajapaksa relinquishes his claim to the office in response to the Supreme Court ruling President Sirisena’s actions as unconstitutional. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mahinda Rajapaksa resigns from office following which Ranil Wickremesinghe is sworn in as Prime Minister of Sri Lanka thus ending the constitutional crisis.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Supreme Court of Sri Lanka rules against the actions of President Maithripala Sirisena ending the constitutional crisis and restoring Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe's government.
News source(s): WaPo, BBC, Economynext
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Nominator's comments: Possibly ongoing political crisis, we'll have to see if its truely the end in the next couple of days. Blackknight12 (talk) 12:05, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – Seems sorta like musical chairs. Sca (talk) 14:05, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait I agree with Sca, and feel that a blurb can be posted when the crisis is over and someone is charge with a level of stability. Kingsif (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support important development in the crisis. The blurb can be updated if things change again. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ed. Banedon (talk) 23:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ed.BabbaQ (talk) 03:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Ranil Wickremesinghe is orange tagged for refs can't post a BLP vio to the MP bold or otherwise. This story is also way far down in the headlines. We posted this when it started, then it sat in Ongoing for a while ... is the return to the status quo really that "significant" given that the Prime Minister has no real power? --LaserLegs (talk) 12:42, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Domestic politics just isn't that ITN-worthy. STSC (talk) 13:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose given that this was already posted, this step is not incrementally important enough for a new post. ghost 13:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Return to ongoing. The situation has had several recent developments, reflected in the fact that 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis is getting plenty of updates. I'm not convinced this step necessarily justifies a blurb on top of the previous posting, but I do think we should put 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis back in ongoing for at least a few days. Modest Genius talk 14:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as written, as the article on Ranil Wickremesinghe is ineligible to be the focus article of the blurb. Would probably support a rewritten blurb more explicitly directing readers to the 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis which is in much better shape. I would also support ongoing for that article too. It appears this is still receiving regular updates, so highlighting through ongoing is appropriate. --Jayron32 18:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose either return to Ongoing (for how long?) or wait until something significant takes place. This isn't it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability (I leave others to judge quality) but agree with Jayron that the target should probably be 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (presumably with some consequent blurb modifications). All the evidence currently suggests that the crisis is resolved at least for the time being, with the successful reestablishment of proper constitutional norms and the proper constitutional government, and the apparent acceptance of this by the (at least temporarily beaten) Rajapaksa. Of course future events may eventually change that, but that's seemingly WP:Crystal (so there seems no justification for Ongoing either). This is not simply ordinary domestic politics, it is the apparent defeat of something close to a coup d'etat (roughly comparable to the Queen in the UK deciding on her own to appoint Boris Johnson PM and order a General election contrary to the will of Parliament, with both then caving in to a Supreme Court ruling), and would almost certainly be posted if it occurred in a Western democracy. Something like that did actually happen in 1970s Australia when Gough Whitlam was ousted by the Queen's representative John Kerr; there was no Wikipedia at the time, but we have recently posted a far more trivial story about the parliamentary elegibility of a few Australian MPs. (Incidentally, both Australia and Si Lanka's population are of similar size, so it might seem a bit racist to try to argue that Australia is far more important than Sri Lanka). Failure to post on grounds of alleged insufficient notability would thus look like a bad case of WP:BIAS. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The constitutional crisis seems to have concluded (per WaPo), now that the constitutional PM is back in power. 39.57.217.25 (talk) 07:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Him being back to power is non news, it just resets to the status quo before the crisis. We already posted the news, when it was news. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both blurb and ongoing. The news is now domestic and of little interest to wider audience. There was crisis and resignations (and that was news and we posted it then) and now no crisis and normalcy restored (and that is non news) per my reply just above this. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: How a crisis ends is at least as much news as how it starts. Indeed it's also more encyclopedic and more informative to the reader who gets to learn far more than at the start, including more about the background (which is what ITN is supposed to supply better than other sources) because we have had more time to write it up (and this extra time also tends to allow us to show better quality articles to our readers, which is another of the stated purposes of ITN). Or perhaps for consistency we shouldn't be reporting the end of wars either, on the basis that peace is normal and therefore the outbreak of peace is not news. Incidentally the main resignation (Rajapaksa's) came at the end of this crisis, not at the start. Tlhslobus (talk) 10:03, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You're not wrong, but this ignores the fact that we already had this posted (for a long time). Items eventually fall off or are removed, but that doesn't imply that the thing is over. Events will continue to unfold, some of which may warrant posting themselves. But we cannot imbue them with the significance of the event that already was posted, or ITN would be overwhelmed with the daily skirmishes in Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, etc. ghost 13:00, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree with you if this were just another event in an ongoing crisis. But the facts and the sources indicate that this is the end of this crisis (although it hasn't helped that this was not clear at the time of the nom, resulting in lots of early opposes, etc). Of course the crisis will inevitably have some ongoing effects in the subsequent 'normal politics' phase, but not posting on those grounds would be like not posting the end of a war because it will inevitably have some ongoing effects in the subsequent 'normal peace' phase. Similarly not posting the end of the crisis because we already posted its start is like not posting the end of a war because we already posted its start. (And it would also be like not posting Malcolm Fraser's election win because we had already posted Gough Whitlam's dismissal if Wikipedia existed in the 1970s, except that ITN/R would make that impossible). But a much better argument for not posting (and indeed for closing) relates to the (in my view rather regretable) increasingly apparent unlikelihood of a new consensus to post emerging here before the story goes completely stale. This suggests that some thought may be wanted about what, if anything, can be done to try to avoid this kind of problem in future, tho this is presumably the wrong forum for any such discussion. YTlhslobus (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Ghost, TRM. Getting stale, suggest close. Sca (talk) 14:50, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I have updated the blurb (Alternative blurb II) to reflect some of the issues against the quality of the Ranil Wickremesinghe article. This is domestic politics of Sri Lanka, concerning the status of democracy in the country and the avoidance of returning to authoritarianism under Mahinda Rajapaksa, which is one of the most important political issues in the country, but the outcomes of this crisis has effects that resonate through to the whole of South Asia and Asia region, such as allying with India and the West in favour of rule of law and democracy or with China and authoritarianism, to put it simply. The Supreme Court decisions also proved to be landmark rulings in the country, going against the powerful executive branch and showing the independence of the judiciary, independence that was severely curtained under the Presidency of Mahinda Rajapaksa. To put it bluntly this whole crisis is another way Rajapaksa is trying to seek and stay in power, after being barred from the presidency, while he is backed by China, who is using him for there Belt and Road Initiative through Debt-trap diplomacy.--Blackknight12 (talk) 07:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and support ongoing - not stale: on 19 December, the Prime Minister appointed his new cabinet and now the race is on to approve a budget before the end of the year. The anticonstitutional coup failed, and that's a major geopolitical event, but "continued acrimony between Sirisena and Wickremesinghe means the crisis is far from over". [23] We can work on the blurb and the articles as the situation continues to evolve. Wakari07 (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt II The crisis ended on December 16, making this the most current news item on ITN. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:03, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, the Supreme Court handed down ruling on 13 December. So, still not stale if we go by that date. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:06, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Men's Hockey World Cup Final

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Article: 2018 Men's Hockey World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Field Hockey World Cup concludes with Belgium defeating Netherlands in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In field hockey, Belgium win the World Cup after defeating the Netherlands in the Final.
News source(s): [24]
Credits:

Article updated

 117.237.197.60 (talk) 13:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Colin Kroll

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Stale. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Colin Kroll (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN Business
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Co-founder of HQ Trivia and Vine. -Jamez42 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 15

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December 15, 2018 (2018-12-15) (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Kashmir conflict
    • Indian soldiers and counterinsurgency police exchange gunfire with militants in the southern district of Pulwama, resulting in the deaths of one soldier and three militants. The soldiers then opened fire on a crowd of anti-government protesters who gathered after the battle, killing seven civilians and injuring 40 others. (The Independent)

Disasters and accidents
  • 20 people died and 14 others are injured when a truck carrying mourners returning from a funeral ritual plunged around 400 metres (1,300 feet) onto a river bank in central Nepal. (Times Now)

International relations

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Ralph Koltai

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Article: Ralph Koltai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: German-born British thetre designer with the Royal Shakespeare Company. Article is looking pretty good following recent expansion - Dumelow (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ukraine Independent Orthodox Church

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Wait to renominate on January 6 when procedure happens. Kingsif (talk) 21:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (talk · history · tag) and 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After the 2018 Orthodox schism, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church creates a church independent from Russia, electing Metropolitan Epifaniy as the leader. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: All the Ukrainian Orthodox noms recently have been denied, but they actually went and did it this time, if that makes it more ITN-worthy. The news was on BBC headline news tonight, so I feel it's "in the news". I think it also technically happened on the 16th in Ukraine, but 15th UTC. Kingsif (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Where did the UK respond and how does it concern the UK? Wakari07 (talk) 11:58, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I support pending blurb changes . Apparently most of the bishops chose to remain in the Russian Orthodox Church (which is still the largest in the country) instead of switching to this new shady organization. Something tells me this has to be at least mentioned in the blurb. Also, the Ukrainians didn't really become independent. Those who switched, they chose to be under the Ecumential patriarchate of Constantinopole, instead of the Russian patriarchate located in Moscow 193.34.160.162 (talk) 06:51, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Also, the article should be renamed. Autocephaly by definition is "the status of a hierarchical Christian Church whose head bishop does not report to any higher-ranking bishop". This church is headed by a metropolitan bishop, not a patriarch, and that bishop reports to Constantinopole. The article therefore should be renamed to "Ukrainian Metropolitan Church" as it is not autocephalous. --193.34.160.162 (talk) 07:26, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
TASS says the Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople granted autocephaly to what TASS calls the Ukrainian Church (a disambiguation page with 10 redirects and 4 see alsos). Someone must be in contradiction with themselves here. I guess we're lucky that Ukrainian Metropolitan Church is still a redlink. Wakari07 (talk) 11:49, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant
Read the article Autocephaly before you comment on the issue again. It's not a question of belief or self-profession, autocephaly is a thoroughly defined state in eastern orthodoxy, meaning that the church is fully independent from other orthodox churches and its head has the same status as others. This church is neither of these things, it's officialy subordinated to Constantinople, it's head is a metropolitan, who has a far lower status than a patriarch (think dukes vs kings), and it doesn't even call itself that way (both Constantinopole and these schismatics call themselves "The Ukrainian Orthodox church". And your post strikes me as a prime example of someone who has no idea what he's talking about, but who still tries to talk about issues he has no experise in as if he was not stupid. Goodbye. --193.34.160.162 (talk) 15:49, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I learned something that I can now safely ignore. Thanks for that. Wakari07 (talk) 16:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Orthodox Church of Ukraine is the newly-created unified church, and the article that should be linked in any blurb. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:55, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is just the preliminary administrative stuff. The tomos is expected to be delivered on January 6 (Christmas eve). That is when the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (EP) is going to declare the creation of a new exarchate under their jurisdiction that will be separate from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church which is an autonomous part of the Russian Orthodox Church. The term "autocephalous" is controversial since the new entity is not going to be an independent national church. It is going to be entirely under the jurisdiction of the EP. At the moment nobody in the Orthodox Church outside of the EP is recognizing this new entity. I would wait until the tomos is issued. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2018 Pulwama encounter

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No consensus to post. Stephen 23:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 Pulwama encounter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Indian army operation in Pulwama, Jammu and Kashmir leaves seven civilians, three militants and one soldier dead. (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times, NDTV, Times of India,
Credits:
 DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 02:38, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Wilhelm Genazino

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Article: Wilhelm Genazino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He died 12 Dec, but it became known only 14 Dec. Was underreferenced, but I tried. It should be longer, but I have no more time right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) AFF Championship

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No consensus to post. Stephen 22:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 AFF Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Southeast Asian association football, Vietnam won their second titles in the AFF Championship after defeating Malaysia in the finals. (Post)
News source(s): AFC
Credits:
 Molecule Extraction (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Balangiga bells

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Article: Balangiga bells (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Balangiga bells, taken by US Army soldiers from the Philippines in 1901 as war trophies, are repatriated after 117 years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Balangiga bells, taken by US Army soldiers from the Philippines during the Philippine-American War as war trophies, are repatriated after 117 years.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Balangiga bells, taken by US Army soldiers from the Philippines as war trophies after reprisals following the Balangiga massacre, are repatriated after 117 years.
News source(s): [26], BBC
Credits:

 — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• Speak! 15:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Copying this over from below, since many comments said wait till December 15, and it's happened. Keeping nominator as is, although I am supporting. Banedon (talk) 05:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Who cares? Some minor event in a third world country is definitively not important enough for the ITN 193.34.160.162 (talk) 05:58, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Bah, humbug? – Sca (talk) 15:23, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Important event with tie-ins to historically significant incidents supported by a quality article. This is exactly the type of news one would expect to find on ITN. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 07:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC))[reply]

The BBC story, though brief, is today's. Sca (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support really well written article. In depth, comprehensive, well written. This is the kind of quality writing we should be filling the front page with. In terms of quality, this is easily the best article that has been nominated here for months. Great stuff.--Jayron32 21:52, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated with the events of December 15th. If anyone has an issue with this article, do a filibuster and tag it. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:14, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did, STSC revered my sps tags around the VFW essay (which is the foundation for most of the first half of the article) and like I said, not a hill I plan to die on. None of it is a BLP issue so ... whatever ... post this "very significant" return of some church bells. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:23, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'll further clarify this in the article talk page. STSC (talk) 11:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are the nmarbles returned? Lol. Wakari07 (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Meh. The marbles can be returned one day, once. Just like this. Rowing though, it goes on until the ice caps melt. Love the fact though that the champion of US centrism brings out a British example. The same person who said US midterm elections are not notable, and have shoved the almighty Boat Race (Title Caps!) down our throats year after year suggested any returns such as this should be Elgin marbles territory. Unbelievable. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 14

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December 14, 2018 (2018-12-14) (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Sondra Locke

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Article: Sondra Locke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filmography unreferenced, but the rest is okay. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ihcoyc: The relavent section of the guideline says that The event is current, and not stale relative to other events. Singular events that took place more than seven days prior to their nomination are considered stale, as well as any event that is older than the oldest entry in the current "In the News" box. Recent Deaths are considered separate from standard blurbs for this purpose. For purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources. This will often be the same day as the event itself, but sometimes it can be some time later, such as would be the reporting of scientific discoveries, in which the work has been done months in the past, but results are published in a reliable source some months later. (bolding added) so I think this would be okay. I haven't look at the article yet, so no comment about supporting or opposing. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:31, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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December 13, 2018 (2018-12-13) (Thursday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture
  • YouTube Rewind 2018 becomes the most disliked YouTube video of all time, with well over 10 million dislikes, achieving the feat in a mere seven days. (Indystar)

Disasters and accidents

International relations
  • Chinese state media reports a second Canadian national, Michael Spavor, has been detained on suspicion of endangering state security, while the China foreign ministry say two Canadian nationals are detained in the country. The Spavor investigation follows the detention of former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig on December 10 and Canada's December 1 arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou. (Reuters) (Reuters)

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Closed) 2018 Bitcoin bomb threats

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Strong consensus against posting. Stormy clouds (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 Bitcoin bomb threats (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Schools and businesses throughout the U.S. and Canada receive bomb threats. (Post)
News source(s): [32] [33]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Dozens upon dozens of cities in North America each having an incident on the scale of the October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts, which we posted. This article is too short at the moment, though. wumbolo ^^^ 14:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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George Pell

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Article: George Pell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Australian Cardinal George Pell is convicted of five charges of child sexual abuse. (Post)
News source(s): America Magazine NPR Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Pell is now the highest-ranking church official ever convicted of a sexual offense. This case has attracted worldwide attention, despite a gag order from an Australian court. Calidum 06:55, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, we didn’t post Philip Wilson, and coincidentally his conviction has just been quashed on appeal. Stephen 21:00, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I forgot the name. previous discussion if anyone cares. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:26, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Notable issue, the article looks good. Wakari07 (talk) 23:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Questions on wording: isn't "convicted on charges of..." better English? Also, is it an option to write "reportedly convicted..."? Wakari07 (talk) 23:53, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment scrolling through headlines I don't see any mention of it, and the only reason this sexual predator is significant is because he's a high ranking leader of a popular private club. It's a long article, and before posting this to the MP it should be scrutinized for BLP issues and bad refs. I won't be doing that because I don't care about the subject. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:31, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Section "Diocesan episcopal career" is bad enough that I orange tagged it. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I did what I could and got rid of the tag. Wakari07 (talk) 21:39, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Nancy Wilson

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 01:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Nancy Wilson (jazz singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NPR
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Probably a long shot, there's an orange tag. I haven't got time to personally fix it, apologies. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 14:27, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) VSS Unity

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No consensus to post. Stephen 23:12, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: VSS Unity (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A test flight of Virgin Galactic's VSS Unity crosses the 50-mile space boundary for the first time. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, The Verge
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Not convinced of this one myself but putting it up for discussion for a wider view. The boundary is fairly arbitrary and it has only crossed the American-defined boundary which is lower than the Kármán line, but it is still a milestone in manned spaceflight - Dumelow (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support The ambiguity in the "space border" is between NASA/USAFs 50 miles and the FAI's 62 miles, but as the Verge article above points out, the FAI may be reconsidering this. For all purposes, this is a critical point, with the next major milestone I would expect to see at ITN is when it makes its first passenger-carrying flight, which is several years down the road. --Masem (t) 18:48, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As the comment and Masem say, there are few realistic "milestones" in civilian spaceflight, and this is certainly one of them (to put it in other words, a plane went to space). Quite significant. Kingsif (talk) 18:55, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Looks more like a marketing stunt of limited significance in a time when space tourism is only accessible to the few. Brandmeistertalk 21:11, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this the first of it's class to do this? I think we need some kind of superlative here to qualify as ITN. ghost 21:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, first of the SpaceShipTwo class to achieve this (the previous vehicle VSS Enterprise achieved 22km max altitude before it was lost in a crash) - Dumelow (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: William Newsom

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Article: William Newsom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American judge - Dumelow (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Spencer, thanks for the feedback. I have added some further information from the obituaries relating to his judicial career and personal life. Would you mind taking another look? - Dumelow (talk) 22:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Posted. SpencerT•C 02:40, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Noah Klieger

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Article: Noah Klieger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Israeli journalist and sports administrator - Dumelow (talk) 17:07, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ankara train collision

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Article: Ankara train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine people are killed when a high-speed train collides with a locomotive (example of class pictured) at Ankara, Turkey (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Death of Grace Millane

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closed. Stale story. --Jayron32 12:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Death of Grace Millane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Grace Millane was a British tourist whose disappearance in Auckland, New Zealand, in December 2018 received international attention. A 26 year old man was charged with her murder on 8 December, and her body was found in a nearby forest park the following day. (Post)
News source(s): [34]
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Sheldybett (talk) 08:18, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 12

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December 12, 2018 (2018-12-12) (Wednesday)
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Arts and culture

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

December 11

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December 11, 2018 (2018-12-11) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) Strasbourg Christmas Market shooting

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Article: 2018 Strasbourg attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gunman kills at least three people and injures a dozen others at the world-famous Christmas market in Strasbourg, France, before fleeing. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A gunman kills three people and injures a dozen at a Christmas market in Strasbourg, France, and is shot dead by police two days later.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Two days after the Strasbourg Christmas Market attack, French police shoot and kill suspect Chérif Chekatt near Strasbourg.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: It was a big event until talk of Brexit ousted it, at least in Europe. Another terror attack in France. Kingsif (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - article is ready for posting. a number of deaths. international attention. --BabbaQ (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in good shape. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:48, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - More people died in a shooting in Belgium this year and that wasn't posted. WaltCip (talk) 01:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Did it get nominated, was the page good, how intense was the attack coverage? This attack was also two weeks before Christmas at a very famous Christmas market, which adds some weight. More people were killed in a shooting in Brazil on this same day, but the discussion below refers to how it's diminished because of attacks in Brazil being frequent, minimal international coverage, and a stub article. Kingsif (talk) 01:08, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Liege shooting.--WaltCip (talk) 11:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Reading that and the article, I'd personally weak support it now, because since the time it has been expanded and is more clearly terrorist-inspired. At the time the article was weak, and it looked like a rampage attack in an isolated area with few implications. The perception is the difference, really - shooting wildly into a famous Christmas market is just more "newsworthy" in public opinion, number of deaths irrelevant. That nom also mentions the Ontario attack, which had no fatalities, but I think it got a lot of support - because of how the Canadians pushed it into the world news and how rare attacks in Canada are. Comparisons need careful consideration of differences as well as similarities. Kingsif (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose this was in the news two days ago when it happened, it's not really anymore. Islamic extremist violence in Europe is becoming almost as common as Christian extremist violence in the USA. The article is pretty good though, I won't erect a wall of text if it's posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's a terrorist attack in a part of the world where that sort of thing is not altogether common. The article is an decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You sure they're not altogether that common? See List of terrorist incidents in France. Banedon (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would also propose this could be, if not put in ITN, put in Ongoing, due to the attacker still being at large. Kingsif (talk) 04:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the suspect is captured, we can update the blurb. If they are still at large and the article is getting regular updates when it's about to expire off, it can drop into ongoing. That's been working well for us I think. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:41, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per LaserLegs. Banedon (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Tweaked blurb to remove purple prose, otherwise this seemed good to go. --Jayron32 12:54, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – The event itself has become, alas, not uncommon in Western and Central Europe, and the toll of victims is comparatively small. On that basis, it doesn't seem quite up to ITN. However, given a manhunt actively involving two countries, it's OK in ITN – though if the perp isn't found soon we might bump it into Ongoing. Sca (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Perhaps time to update the blurb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.96.208.216 (talk) 04:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose. We can't post every shooting with three deaths in ITN. I would not have supported this even when the suspect was at large; now they've been caught I'm even more opposed. No reason to treat this any differently to the shooting in Brazil below. Modest Genius talk 11:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    That's true, but it's also entirely irrelevant. We don't post items by counting the number of deaths. We post items based on quality of the article and whether or not it is something people have heard/read about in the news. There are lots of things where more people have died that we don't have quality articles. We will continue to not post those. Also, we will continue to not post things where more people have died where the story has not been covered, in the proper way, by the proper news sources. --Jayron32 11:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that death toll is not the deciding factor, but it isn't 'entirely irrelevant' either. The best article in the world won't make up for an insignificant event that barely passes GNG. Coverage in the mainstream media is not a proxy for encyclopaedic value, as the tabloid rumour-mill and sports pages demonstrate. A quality update and coverage in the media are both necessary but not sufficient. Modest Genius talk 12:27, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Except the coverage of this story is neither a) in tabloid news or b) in sports pages. What we're using to establish news coverage here is high quality sources. --Jayron32 16:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose per Modest Genius. This sets the bar unncessarily low for the future. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, though there are a lot of news stories still being produced, the manhunt (a notable part) is over, and the article itself is attracting a lot of edits but mostly conflicts over whether to categorise it as Islamist terror or not. Kingsif (talk) 12:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update – Time to update blurb. Suspect isn't "fleeing" anymore, he's dead. (Article has been updated.)
    – Two Altblurbs offered above. Sca (talk) 14:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Updated I freelanced a bit to try to merge the original blurb with the new information. I hope that works. Neither of the altblurbs was working for me. --Jayron32 16:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, though with the pic. it looks a bit long. Could be shortened by deleting "and injured a dozen others," which isn't essential. Just a suggestion. Sca (talk) 17:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. --Jayron32 17:54, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Xcllnt. But now death toll is up to four. Sca (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently 5 now Kingsif (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Petrus Iilonga

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Article: Petrus Iilonga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sitting Deputy Minister of Defence in Namibia. I have overhauled the article, it remains a little on the short side but I will look to expand if any new information comes in the obituaries - Dumelow (talk) 16:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hiwi Tauroa

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Article: Hiwi Tauroa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Zealand Herald
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:23, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Campinas Cathedral shooting

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No consensus, unimproved. Stephen 02:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Campinas Cathedral shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gunman kills four people and wounded four others before killing himself during mass shooting at Metropolitan Cathedral (image) of Campinas, Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, The Guardian, CBS
Credits:
 Chronus (talk) 22:28, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This was not an "assault" or a "gang dispute". A man entered in the cathedral of one of the country's largest cities during a mass and killed the faithful. This is not a case of urban violence. Chronus (talk) 23:18, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for more details If this turns out to be some kind of terrorist attack or motivated out of religious hatred I would likely support. But large scale shootings in Brazil are too common otherwise. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:06, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it was not a dispute between criminal factions or a case of robbery. This type of mass shooting is more common in countries like the United States. Chronus (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Balangiga bells

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Superseded by new nom above. Banedon (talk) 05:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Balangiga bells (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Balangiga bells, taken by US Army soldiers from the Philippines in 1901 as war trophies, are repatriated after 117 years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Balangiga bells, taken by US Army soldiers from the Philippines during the Philippine-American War as war trophies, are repatriated after 117 years.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Balangiga bells, taken by US Army soldiers from the Philippines as war trophies after reprisals following the Balangiga massacre, are repatriated after 117 years.
News source(s): NBC, Stars and Stripes, ABS-CBN
Credits:
 — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• Speak! 15:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's because 4 American soldiers were missing in action. STSC (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That reinforces my article quality point. If we know four soldiers were MIA we should say so. And get rid of that awful "estimated".Moriori (talk) 20:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC) Hold the bus, I see someone has added it. Moriori (talk) 20:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The massacre happened in 1901 and is therefore no longer news. What's news is the United States return of the bells that they looted as war booty, sent to Wyoming and South Korea, was petitioned by several Philippine governments for its return, and was sent to Manila yesterday, 117 years after it was taken away. That said...Howard the Duck (talk) 01:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any major quality issue with Balangiga Bells. If you spotted any individual ref error, you should have tagged them with inline tags. STSC (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I'll do it for you. Do you know the inline tag for self-published refs that fail WP:RS? --LaserLegs (talk) 19:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you hum a few bars, I could fake it.[35] (It's {{Sps}} outside the <ref>...</ref> or {{Self-published source}} inside.) Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Richard. I tagged the background sections which have the most questionable sources. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably there'll be coverage of the actual return on Sunday. Sca (talk) 23:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 10

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December 10, 2018 (2018-12-10) (Monday)
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(Closed) RD: Evelyn Berezin

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Stale. Stephen 23:19, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Evelyn Berezin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Designed the first computer-driven word processor, died on the 8th but not reported until the 10th. Article is mostly good but a few more citations are needed.[ Thryduulf (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Voyager 2

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Article: Voyager 2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA confirms Voyager 2 became the second man-made object to reach interstellar space in November 2018. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists announce that Voyager 2 has left the heliosphere and entered interstellar space
Alternative blurb II: ​ Scientists announce that Voyager 2 has left the heliosphere and entered interstellar space, becoming the second man-made object to do so.
News source(s): BBC, Independent
Credits:

 KTC (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not fair to say that everything in ITNR are "always going to happen". For example take the Football World Cup. The event itself might be "always going to happen", but a particular country winning is not, and that is what's being posted. Banedon (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, TenorTwelve, you seem to be right per MOS:S/HE and WP:GNL, so I've now requested a fix at WP:ERRORS. I also add post-posting support for the article. Tlhslobus (talk) 04:20, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem! While this is Wikipedia, NASA's style guide also calls for usage of terms such as crewed/unscrewed or human spaceflight or piloted/unpiloted or robotic, etc. as opposed to manned/unmanned etc. The only exception NASA gives is if a historical program or a building specifically said/says "manned" in its official name.[1] I think it can be similarly applied and it appears that Wikipedia's Manual of Style has something on this, too! I thought there was, but I didn't know where to look. Thank you for finding it for me. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

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December 9, 2018 (2018-12-09) (Sunday)
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Health and environment
  • A beaver is seen in Northern Italy on camera, a species that has not been seen in the country since 1471. (CBC)

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(Posted) RD: John Joseph Gibbons

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Article: John Joseph Gibbons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American lawyer. Article is short but looks to be well sourced - Dumelow (talk) 00:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Eric Anderson

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Stale. Stephen 22:47, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Eric Anderson (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): fox59
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Dumelow: Fixed --DannyS712 (talk) 02:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mohammed Aruwa

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Article: Mohammed Aruwa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian senator. I have given the article a quick polish, it looks adequate - Dumelow (talk) 14:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Copa Libertadores

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Article: 2018 Copa Libertadores Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, the Copa Libertadores concludes with River Plate defeating Boca Juniors in the finals. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Beyond being an ITNR and promoting geographic diversity, this final has been one of the top sports stories of the year due to the delays/change of venue for the second leg. SounderBruce 22:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Guardian and the Beeb are reporting on it, to be fair. Not much stateside, but then again it is football. Stormy clouds (talk) 14:59, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It got plenty of coverage here in the UK, at least for the second leg - shown live on TV, the national newspapers had articles before and after the game etc. Regardless, it's on ITNR so significance is already established. Modest Genius talk 15:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca: Do you have proof that "most-English speaking readers" do not find this event significant? MX (✉ • ✎) 16:24, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Yes, I have it right here in my desk drawer. Sca (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robert Bergland

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Article: Robert Bergland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 8

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December 8, 2018 (2018-12-08) (Saturday)
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(Closed) RD: Rod Jones

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Stale. SpencerT•C 19:41, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rod Jones (tight end) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle times (among others)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 DannyS712 (talk) 05:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ammarpad: I've expanded it some more. --DannyS712 (talk) 06:51, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to weak support. It's now stub, at less than 180 words it can be read within 45 seconds by average reader. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:37, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: I've added some more --DannyS712 (talk) 01:20, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2018 MLS Cup

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 04:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: MLS Cup 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Atlanta United FC wins the MLS Cup 2018 (Post)
News source(s): [36] [37]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Atlanta United FC wins the MLS cup in only their second season. Top of field soccer tournament in the worlds third largest country. Article has prose updates, referenced. LaserLegs (talk) 13:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Lyudmila Alexeyeva

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Article: Lyudmila Alexeyeva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian human rights activist. I am going to try format the refs and add inline citations for the awards. Dumelow (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've dealt with the citations and added a bit about her meeting with Putin for her 90th birthday. Feel free to expand on this if you have the sources - Dumelow (talk) 23:58, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

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December 7, 2018 (2018-12-07) (Friday)
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(Posted) RD: Belisario Betancur

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Article: Belisario Betancur (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN in Spanish
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well-sourced. EternalNomad (talk) 21:52, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Withdrawn) Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer becomes leader of CDU

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WITHDRAWN
WP:ITN/R Kirbanzo (talk) 16:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After the CDU leadership election Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer succeeds Angela Merkel as chairperson of the party in Germany. (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Pretty large development, considering Merkel was party leader for 18 years until this happened, which may warrant a blurb. Article(s) are of sufficient quality as well. Kirbanzo (talk) 21:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually that's all rather WP:CRYSTAL. AKK could be Chancellor even before the next election if Merkel retires and/or is forced out, tho even that isn't guaranteed given that CDU+CSU have no majority in Parliament. It is NOT 'safe to say that the party voted today its Chancellor candidate for the Next German federal election' (which is not due until 2021) - she could easily be replaced if she does poorly in opinion polls, or gets caught up in some scandal, or falls ill (or dies), or whatever - and in 1980 the Chancellor candidate for the right was CSU leader Franz Josef Strauss, not CDU leader Helmut Kohl, and this could happen again, especially if AKK's similarity to Merkel comes to be seen as an electoral liability, and/or if the CSU leader is seen as better placed to prevent CDU/CSU voters switching to the AfD. And it's not easy to win an election after your party has been in office for 16 years and your previous leader is retiring because voters seem tired of her and you are seen as very similar to her, so being CDU/CSU Chancellor candidate may not mean all that much in 2021. (Of course this is arguably also all a bit WP:CRYSTAL on my part, but then somebody seemingly ought to try to point out some of the apparent inaccuracies in the previous comment). Tlhslobus (talk) 05:14, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even clear that it is important for the EU unless and until she becomes Chancellor (and even then it should be rather trivial for the EU compared to things like Brexit (let alone Climate change, etc)).Tlhslobus (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In a general sense, high-level German political change is important to the EU, as Germany is the EU's most populous state and its leading economy. But yes, if she were to become Kanzlerin that would be blurbable. Sca (talk) 14:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 6

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December 6, 2018 (2018-12-06) (Thursday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • A car bomb explodes near a police post in Chabahar, Iran. Two police officers are pronounced dead and around 40 people were wounded in the attack. Islamic militant group Ansar Al-Furqan claims responsibility. Iran accuses the perpetrators of being "foreign-backed terrorists". (Middle East Eye)

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(Closed) 2018 Chabahar suicide bombing

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Article: 2018 Chabahar suicide bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Chabahar; Iran, at least two policemen are killed and 48 others injured including women and children by a suicide bombing of Ansar Al-Furqan group (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Chabahar; Iran, at least two police officers are killed and 48 others injured by a suicide bombing of Ansar Al-Furqan group
News source(s): the guardianreuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: a suicide bombing with High number of casualties (48 people) including women and children Saff V. (talk) 06:13, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You'd better review Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, specially see WP:NOTBLOG. Saff V. (talk) 06:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I mean, it's a bad thing and all, yes, but if a school shooting killed a single digit number in the US it has a 90% chance of failing ITN. Bombings in Kabul don't even get nominated half the time. Juxlos (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Juxlos: I know what you say, but it's not accurate to compare school shootings in the United States or terrorist attacks in Kabul with a rare incident in Iran. --Mhhossein talk 16:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose terrorist attacks in Iran are not nearly as common as they are in the over-represented failed state of Pakistan, but the article is a little bit short even for the barely-above-stub standard we've come to accept for our usual disaster porn articles. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:16, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's an ongoing event, by passing the time, information will be collected, subsequently article will include more deteils.Any way if it is neccesary, I would ask Mhhossein to give it try and provide more information into the article.Saff V. (talk) 06:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, sorry for the belated response. I'll add some more data to the article. But for now, I should say that the toll is not accurate. Most of the sources, are saying at least 2 people were killed, while the article is showing something else.--Mhhossein talk 18:31, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Per my previous comment. Moreover, I've added more info to the article so the article is no longer too short for the ITN. --Mhhossein talk 16:34, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While terrorist attacks are not that common in Iran, 3 deaths (including the perpetrator) is not the kind of death toll that makes it to ITN. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 10:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:NOTPROPAGANDA. Having an article about this is legitimately encyclopedic, but giving it front-page publicity tends to work as (presumably unwitting) propaganda for the terrorist cause - they are likely to see making a fairly widely-viewed Western front page as a success, which may then encourage them to kill more innocent people, which is not what Wikipedia and ITN is supposed to be doing (per WP:IAR and WP:5P5 if necessary if a supporting rule is needed). In practice, we probably can't avoid posting all such incidents, but we probably need to be very reluctant to do so, and especially when there are few deaths, and when it is in a non-Western country, as posting on our front page in either of these cases then in practice risks giving up to several days of additional free publicity to an incident that is no longer getting any other significant publicity elsewhere in the West.Tlhslobus (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) The Game Awards 2018

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Doesn't look like consensus will ever develop here. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 10:46, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: The Game Awards 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ God of War wins Game of the Year and Red Dead Redemption 2 wins in four categories at the The Game Awards 2018. (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter Variety
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Nominator's comments: First time ever nomination of this event or any video game award ceremony in general. The article's in a good shape, and so are the two video game ones. The one about the God of War is actually a Good Article, and the Red Dead is in the process of becoming one. About time we start putting the gaming Oscars in the ITN. Openlydialectic (talk) 07:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Video Game Awards bore out from the Spike Video Game Awards which started in 2003. Same core organizer but who wanted to get from Spike TV over commercialism. --Masem (t) 11:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose I do not see this as being particularly notable in the grand scheme of ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 12:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @WaltCip: I am pretty sure that ITN exist so that people could provide arguments for and against their position, and not just state "this is not important" or "I do not see this as being particularly notable in the grand scheme of ITN". Also, since you're saying this, do I understand that right that you then do consider various horse racing events and other local Canadian hockey championships - that we do post here - to be "important" in "the grand scheme of things"? Openlydialectic (talk) 22:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I've stated my position. This is not notable. There's nothing to establish its notability as an award show in comparison to other gaming award shows.--WaltCip (talk) 00:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    No, you just baselessly made a vote without explaining why you voted in a way that you did, which goes against the WP:NOTVOTE rule. Good luck.
  • Question. I'm not opposed to having some form of games awards on ITN, but we should restrict blurbs to the most prestigious award ceremony. Are the Game Awards more important in the field than the Golden Joystick Awards, BAFTA Game Awards or Game Developers Choice Awards? Modest Genius talk 12:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • We post several film awards, I'd be ok with several game awards which are both in the news and have a quality update. We've not had that problem yet, IIRC this is the first game award of any sort nominated of any sort. One reason I'm supporting this is I actually saw it "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Golden Joysticks are fully audience voted, so generally not top. Whereas the weight difference between this, BAFTA, and GDCA -- this tends to get the on the spot coverage in gaming RSes, while the others get noticed after said events, despite said events also being broadcast/streamed live. Its a perception issue. --Masem (t) 15:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • It could also be an advertising issue. A lot of companies means a lot of money to throw around. I know the argument goes that we can't deny an item for not being on ITN/R, but there needs to be at least a consensus first that this particular event is noteworthy given we haven't posted it before, because honestly, as a gamer, this is the first I've heard of it.--WaltCip (talk) 18:41, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Completely reasonable, and if you look at the ceremony itself, 50% of it was just promos for new games. That said, the voting jury for the bulk of the awards (not the esports ones) are media outlets, listed here : [38], so I don't see this specific awards as commercially driven. In the case of the GDCA ones, that's run and organized by the industry's trade group so there's a tiny bit of nepotism there. --Masem (t) 20:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There's a potential fallacy here of saying we post awards shows for movies, so not posting for games would be bias (especially given historical disdain for games as an art). The Oscars carry serious juice in Hollywood. Every physicist knows their Nobel winners. There's no evidence that artists or consumers view these as important. ghost 12:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @GreatCaesarsGhost:The 2017 (so, the previous), Game Awards were watched by 18.7 million people. For comparison, the 2018 Oscars were watched by 26.5 million viewers Openlydialectic (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Walt. Lacks significance for a general audience. Sca (talk) 14:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support notability for me comes from the industry heavies who hosted and attended the event. Article is as good as any other awards article, is well referenced, and has some prose. We post all kinds of obscure literary, mathematics, architecture, and poetry awards, we should probably post things which do have interest to a general audience like film, television, music and video games. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:17, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support. Going to nitpick the X of Y statement in the nom and point out for the people not familiar with this awards show that it is more like The People’s Choice Awards than the Oscars due to the voting method. The Oscars and similar award shows in its vein votes using a professional committee, whereas this award show uses a combination of a voting jury comprised of professionals (90% weight) + public polling (10% weight with some additional wackiness based on social media sharing). While it has become a significantly more popular event over the years, I wouldn’t say this is a prestigious Oscar/Emmys/Tony Awards/Grammy – style event. All that said, I think this event has grown just enough over the years to have enough notability, general news coverage, and sufficient article quality for ITN. ZettaComposer (talk) 15:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Only existed for five years; no reason given why this should be more important than the other events mentioned above; article contains practically no content apart from which new games were advertised at the event, and a list of results. Since there are a number of these awards, it would probably be useful to have a discussion about which are the most notable. If one particular award is seen as the "gaming Oscars", then fine - go for it. But AFAICS this is just another run-of-the-mill awards ceremony. Black Kite (talk) 15:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @Black Kite:The 2017 (so, the previous), Game Awards were watched by 18.7 million people. The largest such ceremony by far For comparison, the 2018 Oscars were watched by 26.5 million viewers Openlydialectic (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Want to re-stress that before 2014, this event effectively was the Spike Video Game Awards, which started in 2003. There was a falling out between Geoff Keighley, the guy that organizes this, and Spike TV, who wanted entertainment value, so Keighley broke off and made a completely new awards show but based on the same principles that he ran Spike VGAs with. That lineage is recognized in the industry, it just doesn't show up easily on a quick pass of our WP coverage (but its there, I know I've wrote about it). --Masem (t) 20:27, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's already been called "the Oscar of video games" actually, both by players, game creators and specialist and generalist press. The event is young, yes, but grown dramatically, almost five times the number of viewers compared to the first edition and broadcast all over the globe. To this we add live musical performances and guests arrived from multiple branch of entertainment. It does not seem so absurd to have it in ITN. Lone Internaut (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Support in principle having Gaming Awards at ITN as an important (despite arguably still being a relatively new) economic, social and cultural phenomenon, despite my not being sufficiently interested to know or care whether these particular awards are the right ones to post. Although I have very little personal interest in video-games myself, some of the opposition expressed here reminds me of the misguided contempt by my ill-informed and complacent 'betters' for things like pop music and Science Fiction which I encountered when young (and which, incidentally, probably did me and others quite a bit of harm at the time in several different ways, but much of it to do with keeping us ill-informed, which is precisely what Wikipedia is meant to combat). Tlhslobus (talk) 17:29, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • In answer to your question, ghost, it was a (possibly mistaken) impression I got from reading the comments at the time. Perhaps unwisely, I didn't go looking for precise instances, either then or now, to try to minimize the risk that going into specifics might cause individual editors to take it personally and/or get me involved in a debate which I wasn't (and amn't) interested in having. Tlhslobus (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And having had a further look at it, I notice that there is often a significant difference between the impression conveyed by somebody's initial comment and the more nuanced impression conveyed once opponents have forced them to clarify their position (although this is not the case with regard to your own carefully-nuanced initial position). Quite likely much the same could also have been said about attitudes to things like pop music and Science Fiction when I was young, if such attitudes had been expressed on a forum such as this, had such a forum been available at the time. Incidentally much the same seems actually also true of the Ig Nobel Prize mentioned by you in your question - it seemingly began as ridicule pure and simple, but is now at least officially the more nuanced 'research that first makes you laugh, and then makes you think' (or some similar wording, which presumably among other things conveniently allows its organizers to deny all sorts of criticisms, such as that such a prize would have been used to ridicule Copernicus and Darwin in their day, etc). Tlhslobus (talk) 17:17, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Nowadays the video game industry is much bigger than the film or music industry. Yet we cover all kinds of awards of the latter two, but barely of the video games. It's about time to change that. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Black Kite. No evidence that this is particularly the top event in its field, or majorly renowned.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amakuru:The 2017 (so, the previous), Game Awards were watched by 18.7 million people. For comparison, the 2018 Oscars were watched by 26.5 million viewers Openlydialectic (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – The The Game Awards seem to hold a relatively contentious role in the video game industry, moreso than the other awards frequently posted on the front page. I would prefer not to present them over other gaming awards, like the aforementioned Golden Joystick Awards, BAFTA Game Awards, or Game Developers Choice Awards. Though The Game Awards try to present themselves as the main award ceremony for video games, I do not believed they have reached that status yet. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 22:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maplestrip: I think you just have to be immersed into the industry to know how small these awards are. I wish they announced their viewership numbers, but apparently only The Game Awards do. Openlydialectic (talk) 22:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    These three are certainly less popular, but they are longer-running and more respected. I do not entirely know what the ITN inclusion criteria is for award ceremonies. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 22:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    >they are more respected. I'd disagree. I wish there's a way to verify respectability, but I don't think there is. The only thing I know for sure is that they are both less popular and have far less coverage than the TGA. And I'd argue that this - this influence - is the only thing that matters. The Nobel Peace prize is hardly respectable nowadays, but it's still getting posted because it's widely covered by the media and everyone wants to know who the winner of this award is. Openlydialectic (talk) 22:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this event has grown in prestige over the years and I think has taken a spot as one of the major nights for the gaming industry. Big-name developers and figures in the industry attend this event, major announcements are made during the show, and as Openlydialectic has pointed out several times it is watched by a large audience. Regarding its importance vis-à-vis other gaming awards, I don't really see that conversation as relevant given there is a lack of evidence about the prestige and importance of those other shows in comparison to these awards. If that conversation is to be had, I think it should be had at ITN:R since a reoccurring post about gaming awards is likely ITN:R material. A decision on which one people want to post about yearly can be made there, but on the presented facts of the Game Awards on their own, I think this should be posted. --PlasmaTwa2 01:06, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, relatively niche pop-culture interest, and not of huge international or historical importance. WP already has a problem of too much focus on pop culture over more serious and important issues. Video game are really not that important. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:54, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As much as I might be opposed to the posting of this particular event, it's probably a bit of a stretch to say that video games are a "niche interest" given that at least this particular event had viewings similar to the Oscars. Outside of Western Europe, the U.S. and Japan, maybe.--WaltCip (talk) 13:32, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In response to the comparisons to the Oscars and Grammys, I don't think video games have the same mass appeal as movies and music yet. It will take another 10-20 years or so for that to happen. Also, a good part of the Game Awards was advertising for upcoming games, which makes me take it less seriously as a genuine award ceremony and more of a commercial event. The ceremony is still pretty new and needs some more time to gain a track record. TarkusABtalk 10:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because the oldest blurb is pretty old at this point. If we had no shortage of blurbs this might not be significant enough to qualify, but as it is I'm supporting. Banedon (talk) 02:24, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Biggest event of year in gaming Тухлопуз (talk) 05:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Relatively insignificant awards ceremony. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant coverage from reliable video game sources and non-video game sources alike. Significant viewership, especially in comparison to that of the Oscars. Video gaming is not a niche thing as it use to be. They are part of the mainstream. Practically anyone with a cellphone is playing a video game. In America at least (which this show is based out of), there are more households with game consoles than not. The article itself is well put together and well documented. Furthermore, for those saying this is a "new" show, not really. Yes, "The Game Awards" have only been around for five years, but this show was born out of the Spike Video Game Awards, which was around from 2003 to 2013, before essentially becoming The Game Awards. --JDC808 ♫ 23:49, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Time to call this I think. A !vote count is even, a few opposes dismiss the "significance" of video games I think can be dismissed outright, some serious opposes around the relative newness of the event are reasonable and merit consideration. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Larry Hennig

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Article: Larry Hennig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: American wrestler. I added some missing refs and think the article is now adequate - Dumelow (talk) 10:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Ready.BabbaQ (talk) 10:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Good to go. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 20:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During this time, Hennig also appeared in the independent film, The Wrestler, where he faced Verne Gagne at the Cow Palace in the opening match." In the opening match of the film or the opening match of the card at the Cow Palace? I would assume the former, but it's unclear from the way it's worded. More importantly, the AWA didn't run shows at the Cow Palace until at least five or six years after the film's release. There was another promotion affiliated with the National Wrestling Alliance which ran the Cow Palace throughout the 1960s and 1970s. The paragraph's only source makes no mention of the film or the match. Speaking of unclear wording, one would assume from the photo and caption that he was making a personal appearance at Domino's Pizza, yet one is left to wonder whether they could have been announcing that they actually hired him to work there. Finally, such a fractured chronology may work for a Tarantino film, but it left me somewhat dizzy. The section "Knee injury" begins by discussing a knee injury, while the section as a whole covers many distinct phases of his career stretching over nearly a decade. Many folks from outside WP:PW have complained over the years that these biographies are really dumping grounds of wrestling trivia and the project's cherry-picked sources. It seems to me that separating everything by wrestling promotion puts too much weight on the promotions themselves at the expense of this being a proper biography. We're rewarding that behavior by placing a link on the main page? Hmmm... For example, Hennig enjoyed a fair amount of success in Japan throughout his career; according to his ja.wiki article, he toured there over a span of nearly two decades. This longevity was mostly due to his connection to Harley Race, who became one of the more beloved gaijin wrestlers long before that became a popular phenomenon. Pro wrestling in Japan receives significant mainstream media attention. I see no reason why that was ignored other than the fact that someone wanted to give undue weight to other things. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:24, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Luis Valbuena

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Article: Luis Valbuena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): OC Register
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Nominator's comments: Added some sourcing, article looks generally solid. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add a new nom for him. BabbaQ (talk) 13:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Castillo's article is not in such great shape as of now. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:10, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pete Shelley

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Article: Pete Shelley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Putting down a marker for the moment while I work on filling in the missing cites Now ready, thanks to the several people who turned up to clean, tidy and cite. SchroCat (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: José Castillo (infielder)

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Unimproved. Stephen 22:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: José Castillo (infielder) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPNCBS
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Nominator's comments: Died alongside Luis Valbuena in a traffic accident. Jamez42 (talk) 21:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 5

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(Closed) RD: Dynamite Kid

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Stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dynamite Kid (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [39], [40]
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Nominator's comments: Former World Wrestling Federation Tag team champion and one of the most successful British pro-wrestlers  The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Still drinking the Kool-Aid, I see. The nomination template and WP:ITNRD both make a vague reference to "quality". Every time I come to this page, the discussion frames "quality" solely in terms of the mere existence or non-existence of citations, often without regard for whether they're to reliable sources. This article has at least a few other problems than that. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well solving one problem at a time seems most logical to me. Cite everything (it's a BLP after all, nothing to do with RD or its nomination template) and then check over for reliable sources. Then check for NPOV and encyclopedic writing. Then consider supporting. Right now, we're on step 1. And I have no idea what Kool-Aid has to do with this. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We routinely discuss the use of unreliable sources here. BLPs often cite wikis, personal blogs, and IMDB. But step one of evaluating sources is having sources. ghost 19:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) GSAT-11

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No consensus to post. Stephen 22:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: GSAT-11 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India's heaviest satellite has gone into orbit on a French rocket to help boost broadband internet services. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: India launches 'heaviest' satellite for internet access. Sherenk1 (talk) 08:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 4

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(Closed) RD: Michael McComie

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Stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Michael McComie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Trinidadian footballer and coach. A little short perhaps, but I am expanding - Dumelow (talk) 19:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was a fair bit larger but my additions were reverted. I am in discussion with the other editor to readd what I think is useful information, but I'll not die in a ditch over it - Dumelow (talk) 20:46, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. I'd move on and ignore. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nika Rurua

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Article: Nika Rurua (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Georgia Today
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Has been updated and article is well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Selma Engel-Wijnberg

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Article: Selma Engel-Wijnberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRC.nl
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Has been updated and article is well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:43, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 3

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(Closed) RD: Wilmer Clemont Fields

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Stale, suggest nomination at DYK since it is a new article. SpencerT•C 20:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Wilmer Clemont Fields (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toalston, Art (December 4, 2018). "W.C. Fields, SBC public relations pioneer, dies at 96". Baptist Press. Retrieved December 4, 2018.; Allen, Bob (December 3, 2018). "W.C. Fields, advocate for a free Baptist press, dead at 96". Baptist News Global. Retrieved December 4, 2018.
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Nominator's comments: Southern Baptist minister and public relations executive; defender of the freedom of the press Zigzig20s (talk) 06:27, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:Spencer: How long do you anticipate that it would stay on the main page please?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It already would have aged off; the oldest RD item now has a more recent date of death than Fields. I'm going to go ahead and close this nom and suggest for DYK. SpencerT•C 20:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD:Kim Chol-man

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Article: Kim Chol-man (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: North Korean politician. Article is well cited and seems OK - Dumelow (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Qatar to leave OPEC

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Withdrawn, consensus won't develop to post now. Ideally there will be a good target article to re-nominate on January 1. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: OPEC (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Qatar announces it will withdraw from OPEC on January 1, 2019. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera NPR Reuters
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Nominator's comments: There might be too much WP:CRYSTAL to post this now. Some experts suggest it is a continuation of the 2017–18 Qatar diplomatic crisis, others suggest it may lead to the end of OPEC. And as a announcement about something that won't happen officially until next month, it could get stopped. It's also unclear what the bolded article should be. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:04, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) OSIRIS-REx arrives at Bennu

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Article: OSIRIS-REx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The OSIRIS-REx sample-return spacecraft arrives at the asteroid 101955 Bennu (pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The sample-return spacecraft OSIRIS-REx arrives at the asteroid 101955 Bennu (pictured)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Independent, CNN
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: OSIRIS-REx has initiated its primary science campaign as of this evening after, completing its first engine burn in the vicinity of Bennu at ~17:00 UTC. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 17:32, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware of the NASA-lies-about-boring-science-missions conspiracy theory. Perhaps you could enlighten us on it? Of course, your theory would need to be independently verified. Abductive (reasoning) 18:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of the Chinese-geneticist-lies-about-gene-therapy conspiracy theory until recently, but it's forced me to call into question the legitimacy of all science news. #trustnoone --LaserLegs (talk) 18:31, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The trajectory has been a matter of public record ever since it left Earth two years ago. No reliable source has ever expressed the slightest doubt in the position as reported by NASA. They have released imagery proving that the spacecraft was getting close, and the rendezvous process was broadcast live on TV. Besides, this is an engineering achievement, not a scientific result (yet). I suspect you're just being WP:POINTy. Modest Genius talk 18:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ya think?! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:41, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I lean towards WP:AGF. So should you. Modest Genius talk 13:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted to ongoing) Yellow vests movement (French tax protests)

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Article: Yellow vests movement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests in France against increasing the fuel tax turn violent, with over 107 arrested. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests in France against increasing the fuel tax turn violent, resulting in 3 deaths and more than 900 injured
News source(s): Fox News NHK World CBC
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Nominator's comments: These French protests are considered to be the most widespread and violent in a decade. This is getting as much, if not more, coverage than the concurrent G20 meeting. Feel free to make a better blurb. User:Tocino 14:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. The 200,000+ views since this discussion didn't come from the Main Page, I can assure you. — 🍣 SashiRolls t · c 17:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


(Closed) China and US trade war truce

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No consensus to post. Stephen 23:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 China–United States trade war (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ During the G20 meeting in Argentina, the United States and China agree on a trade war truce, China, among other concessions, to significantly increase imports from the US. (Post)
News source(s): SCMP 1, SCMP 2 whitehouse.gov
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Nominator's comments: As many have predicted, the two superpowers indeed achieved a deal on the sidelines of the G20 summit. Possibly one of the most important events of the decade in international politics, so obviously it has to be posted on the ITN Openlydialectic (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As I read the statement, this still requirements work in both countries' governments to come to agreements and legislation to back the deals made. --Masem (t) 05:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Both parties agree that they will endeavor to have this transaction completed within the next 90 days. If at the end of this period of time, the parties are unable to reach an agreement, the 10% tariffs will be raised to 25%." - in other words, the tariff rises might happen anyway, so there's certainly no point posting this - if it is indeed important enough for ITN, which I doubt - until that 90 days is up. Black Kite (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as noted before me, this is just a "maybe", nothing more, certainly not "one of the most important events of the decade in international politics". The Rambling Man (talk) 15:03, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose more Trump fake deals. They've postponed escalation, not rolled back any existing tariffs, and bullshit nothing language like "by a significant amount" without any concrete deals is completely meaningless. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:18, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. They've vaguely agreed to postpone further action while more talks are held. If further tariffs are imposed that might be worth an ITN blurb (depending on the scale), but continuation of the status quo does not. Also, the article seems to be heavily one sided, favouring the US. I suspect it fails WP:NPOV. Modest Genius talk 17:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Vague and nebulous. Sca (talk) 22:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This sort of nothingism is meant to manipulate speculators in the market, probably so Trump can get the stock market to end the year in positive territory. As pointed out above, totally easy for him to claim a month later "they're not holding up their end of the deal" and just roll forward with the tariffs anyway. WaltCip (talk) 22:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Nothing has really happened yet. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 23:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Paul Sherwen

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Stale. SpencerT•C 16:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Paul Sherwen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): cycling magazine
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Has been updated, no issues tagged DannyS712 (talk) 23:50, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: I have added a couple more. Is it still too unreferenced for RD? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Far too unreferenced for RD. We need citations for virtually every statement of fact (see WP:CHALLENGE), not just a handful. ghost 12:22, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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December 1

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December 1, 2018 (2018-12-01) (Saturday)
Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

Nduga killings

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Article: Nduga massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Free Papua Movement militants killed at least 20 Trans Papua construction workers and TNI soldiers in Nduga Regency, Indonesian Papua. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC. KOMPAS has a lower figure here
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Nominator's comments: Few things to note: Because the Indonesian government practically bans foreign journalists from the area, all information will either be from them or from the Papua movement. However, the killings at least have been confirmed by both parties - numbers remain unclear for now. Used "and" because govt claims mostly civilian and movement claims mostly soldiers. Juxlos (talk) 12:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ken Berry

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Stale. SpencerT•C 16:38, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ken Berry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, Variety!
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: One of the small screen’s earliest stars. ‘F Troop’, ‘Mama’s Family’, The Andy Griffith Show and Mayberry R.F.D.. CoatCheck (talk) 01:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Scott Stearney

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Article: Scott Stearney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, NYT
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Zanhe (talk) 10:58, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ah, OK. For historical reasons I'm always dubious about notability guidelines set up by Wikiprojects but this does appear to be long-standing. However, the article is still only sourced to the US Navy and obituaries, it'd be useful to flesh it out a bit. Black Kite (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Patricia Head Minaldi

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Article: Patricia Head Minaldi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lexington Herald Leader
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Has been updated, has no clear issues (no issues tagged) DannyS712 (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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