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April 30

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(Posted) RD: Ron Galella

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Article: Ron Galella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 22:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lyubov Panchenko

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Article: Lyubov Panchenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): euroweeklynews.com, bigkyiv.com.ua
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ukrainian 60s artist, victim of Bucha genocide. KamillaŚ (talk) 01:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is in a horrible state, hold off on posting until the major grammatical issues are fixed and more sources are added. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I have fixed up the formatting and grammatical issues with the article, as well as some sourcing. Will need another editor's opinion on it, however. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:38, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Article looks acceptable but could be improved even further. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 21:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good enough to me. Tradediatalk 05:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Quite short but fine. Yakikaki (talk) 11:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: [1] Things mentioned in the intro are often expected to be explained in more details in the main body of an article. Yet, things such as her 2001 award were only mentioned in the intro but not in the rest of the article. Please re-organize and/or expand the materials. [2] (a minor technical issue that should not impact on RD nom, but may interest some admins) The earliest edits in the edit history do not seem to belong to this article. Likely errors from previous page-moves. --PFHLai (talk) 22:21, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have moved the 2001 award out of the intro and into the main body. If someone can add some info on that and explain what that award was meant for, it would be great. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 19:41, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Naomi Judd

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Article: Naomi Judd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, People, AP, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Country music singer, member of the Judds. Articles needs a bit of work Masem (t) 20:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mino Raiola

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Article: Mino Raiola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Football agent. After his death was falsely reported 2 days ago, his family released an announcement confirming that he's actually passed. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I suggest blurb. First, because he was No 1. football agent in charge of many football transfer sagas (including ongoing ones), "the most recognisable football agent in the world" [1] top in his field[2]. Guardian's front page says "Leading football agent"[3]. Second, because his death was first reported by number of Italian newspapers, then such high-profile publications as marca.com and Eurosport. Then the news was countered, and reports started to emerge that he is alive, with his Twitter account being active and issuing a post. Today it emerged that he died. So this is the case of death being the story - unusual circumstances surrounding it. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Our article gives nowhere close to the type of recognition that is needed for a blurb. Being the most famous at something is not a reason for posting a blurb. What transformative aspects did he bring to the field? --Masem (t) 17:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Even if he was somehow transformative in the world of sports agents, I wouldn't blurb him, regardless of death circumstances. -- Kicking222 (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • He changed the game in football [4], becoming "the most powerful individual in the game" - the title of Forbes article "How Erling Haaland’s Super-Agent Mino Raiola Became More Powerful Than Most Clubs" speaks for itself[5]. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        He didn't die in any sort of notable/newsworthy way (which imo is a requirement for a blurb, if the person isn't at the Queen Elizabeth level of notability), and merely being a soccer bigwig is clearly not that. WP:ITNRD states that In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. 4iamking (talk) 12:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        He did die in unusual way: after reports about his death emerged it was denied on his twiiter, with him being angry[6], only to die two days later. Most major newspapers reported that [7]. Isn't it unusual and blurbworthy? Also, being the agent of Paul Pogba and Haaland, his death affects two upcoming transfer sagas Kirill C1 (talk) 12:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        That's more an issue with conflicting reporting I'd say. Dying from longstanding medical issues in your mid 50's isn't exactly that unusual or newsworthy of a way to go. He also isn't major household name, so in my opinion thats a negative on both of the possible criteria that would qualify for a death blurb. 4iamking (talk) 15:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The first paragraph of his career is unsourced, and there are some other slight issues in that section (e.g. "He resided in Monaco." being unsourced and randomly-placed). -- Kicking222 (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose He was good at extracting more money for himself and his clients. No discernible contributions to new business techniques or models, unless we include being good at manipulation being a "field" of "endeavour/achievement". Also, pretty sure they was a rejection for Bernie Madoff being posted a blurb Bumbubookworm (talk) 06:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a common knowledge that he and his like changed a game to considerable extent (the most popular game on the planet). If not for pandemic, the transfers 150-200 mil would have been common now. He was textbook example of football agent that was criticised by those in game [8] . Kirill C1 (talk) 12:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "The super-agent died on Saturday aged 54, leaving an unforgettable legacy on football’s transfer market...Gamechanger. There is no better way to describe Mino Raiola and his impact on the transfer market". - from The Guardian piece on him [9]. I don't know, these seem strong words. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb flatly. There's a standard we have on ITN/RD and he does not meet it. I'm not even sure we would have blurbed George Steinbrenner.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: How's article quality? Is this wikibio ready for use on MainPage? Enough talk on blurbiness. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:45, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The article quality is completely fine, otherwise we would have had tons of opposes on article quality. It’s why everyone is only discussing whether he is notable enough for a blurb.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 12:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 21:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 29

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(Closed) RD: Georgia Benkart

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Consensus to post will not develop. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Georgia Benkart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): American Mathematical Society
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American mathematician. Article looks good for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ralph DeLoach

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Article: Ralph DeLoach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (April 29); died on April 21. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kabul mosque bombing

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Consensus to post will not develop. WP:SNOW close. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 Kabul mosque bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 50 worshippers are killed in a bombing at a Sunni mosque in Kabul, Afghanistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 10 people are killed in a bombing at a mosque in Kabul, Afghanistan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least 10 people are killed in a bombing at a mosque in Kabul, Afghanistan during the holy month of Ramadan.
News source(s): Reuters, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Terrorist attack with high death toll. Articles needs to be updated and expanded. Mooonswimmer 14:43, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Where is terrorism listed on ITN/R? Canadianerk (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, mistakenly added the "/R" Mooonswimmer 15:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Canadianerk (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb contains incorrect content, at least ten people died and the statement that the death toll was 50 is yet to be confirmed. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 21:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Steve McMillan

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Article: Steve McMillan (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AL.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Incumbent Alabama state representative. Kafoxe (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 28

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(Posted) RD: Quency Williams

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Article: Quency Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 3DownNation
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:12, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Neal Adams

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Article: Neal Adams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR, EW, CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Comic book writer and advocate. Article seems to be in fairly good shape (including the separate bibliography) Masem (t) 19:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Prime Minister in Montenegro

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Dritan Abazović
Article: Dritan Abazović (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dritan Abazović (pictured) is elected by the Parliament as the new Prime Minister of Montenegro. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. He becomes head of government after the previous one was ousted in a vote of no confidence. BastianMAT (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I will hopefully continue expanding his article tomorrow. There is still a lot to add and clean up. --Vacant0 (talk) 21:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Neither a general election nor an executive position, so not ITN/R. Not a particularly big story. Bio's not ready and the other two articles are mostly uncited. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not an executive position? From what I am seeing the prime minister is as significant as the president here. Gotitbro (talk) 02:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Have you seen the part of President of Montenegro that says he decides who can run for prime minister? That's a clear step above, from where I'm sitting, no "mostly ceremonial" head of state here. Also, in December 2010, we set precedent for not including the new PM in a story about the old one resigning, specifically because he wasn't the president. It was a long time ago, but I don't see us overruling that stance in the archives. Anyway, what is political significance if not debatable? To me, the president has more global power. To a domestic Montenegrin, the parliamentary leader might seem like head honcho. You think they're equals, and I respect that opinion. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    As Prime Minister of Montenegro and President of the Parliament of Montenegro both omit anything about duties, privileges or functions, I'm not even sure who even really heads the government. But it says the president of parliament takes over commanding the military, proclaiming laws and representing the country inside and out if the main president leaves early, suggesting she outranks the PM. The new one doesn't have an article, though, so maybe insignificant to English Wikipedia. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It is similar in the Czech Republic: the president of the Czech Republic selects the prime minister and he/she then proposes ministers to the president, who formally nominates them. The new government then goes before the Chamber of Deputies to pass (or not) a vote of confidence. If the president dies, his duties are exercised by the president of the Chamber of Deputies (or of the Senate, if there is no Chamber of Deputies) and the prime minister (all powers he/she shares with the president - eg. abolition/amnesty). Although the president has some strong reserve powers (partial veto over legislation, nomination of judges, naming of the board of directors of the central bank etc.), nobody disputes it is the prime minister who really rules the country. Pavlor (talk) 05:35, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Does the prime minister rule the country through any explicable means, such as some comparably strong reserve powers? If not, consider me the first to dispute the reality of his rule. I'm not the first to dispute the ITN/R applicability, though, that honour seemingly goes to Johnsemlak in 2010, the last time this came up. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @InedibleHulk:, please refer to Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items, go to Elections and heads of state and government; ”Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.” And per ITNR procedure, List of current heads of state and government, heads the prime minister as green and the executive which makes it ITNR. It is also important to note Montenegro is a parliamentery republic. [10] There is nothing to dispute here. BastianMAT (talk) 06:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By my reading, the constitution lets the president administer the executive of the state and his office should be highlighted in green. But you're right, the list says otherwise and it's the boss in this system. I stand by my objection to the article quality. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't know much about Montenegrin politics, but assuming what Pavlor says is correct, it's a similar situation to the recent Shehbaz Sharif blurb. The Kip (talk) 06:06, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This gives me deja vu of the Shehbaz Sharif blurb (Prime minister ousted in a no-confidence vote and a new one voted by parliament). There are very few references in Dritan Abazović but once the article quality is improved, I will support this.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 07:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is well sourced and has no tags. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per Pavlor. Also Im not particularly fond with supposed-consensus that less-powerful or supposedly-ceremonial head of state are excluded from ITN. Even when they are less powerful or largely ceremonial, they will have impact on that country's politics regardless and I am in favour of posting all changes of PM or President or monarch of any country even if they are largely deemed ceremonial. Nyanardsan (talk) 13:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ceremonial heads are that only and posting those routine changes on ITN won't be of any significance. Though monarchs (long serving or otherwise influential) might merit blurbs. Gotitbro (talk) 08:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article seems ready. It's ITNR because Prime Minister is the person who holds and exercises the executive powers of the State. In fact, Article 102 of the Montenegrin Constitution attributes to him the task of "manage" the work of the government. There is no debate. The president relates to the executive branch by appointing its members. But this happens in monarchies (Spain, Japan, etc) and in parliamentary republics (Czech Republic, Greece, Portugal and half of the planet, tbh). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:38, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Article is good and this is an ITN event. Alex-h (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting – Muboshgu (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Montenegro may be a small country, but it's big enough to push Elon outta of the box – for now at least. – Sca (talk) 17:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Why is it OK for the main page to feature two virtually unsourced articles on obscure government subjects, but not allow famous recently dead if even one line, no matter how uncontroversially plausible, is missing a footnote? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Where's problem, please, InedibleHulk? Wikipages linked in boldface are vetted here on ITN/c and must be properly sourced. Not every linked wikipages are "featured", though. --PFHLai (talk) 05:38, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Abazovic's article appears fine to me, for the main page, neither am I seeing any unsourced sections therein. And from what I can see the opposition for death blurbs mostly stems from the introduction of "Recent deaths" in ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 08:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm talking about Prime Minister of Montenegro and Parliament of Montenegro. They have three citations between them. Apparently, that's OK because they aren't bolded or pictured. But for similarly styled titles, linked lower and without full sentences and bullets drawing attention to them, we have standards. It's not right, even if it's tolerated by most. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    IMO, it is not really okay, but more like "beyond our scope". In most cases, we focus on one or sometimes two wikipages at a time. It would be great if every linked wikipage can be fixed up before the blurb appears on MainPage. However, getting one article up to snuff often requires quite a bit of effort already. Do we want blurbs with only one link to feature only one wikipage? Perhaps such an approach can be discussed on WT:ITN, not here on ITN/C. --PFHLai (talk) 21:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Mino Raiola

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The death is being denied, and his Twitter account just posted in the last hour. Only re-open if it's clear that he passed. starship.paint (exalt) 13:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Mino Raiola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manchester Evening News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Influential sports agent in the world of soccer/football.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 12:08, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Depp v. Heard

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Clearly not an ITN candidate, especially as it hasn't finished yet. Black Kite (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Depp v. Heard (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
 FictiousLibrarian (talk). 18:26, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Juan Diego

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Article: Juan Diego (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Norte de Castilla
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish actor. NoonIcarus (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 27

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RD: Kenneth Tsang

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Article: Kenneth Tsang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Veteran actor Kenneth Tsang dies in Hong Kong Covid quarantine hotel, SCMP
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor who was in several international productions, including Rush Hour 2. This may be difficult to update, but I still nominate. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Judy Henske

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Article: Judy Henske (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Judy Henske, Folk Singer Known for ‘High Flying Bird,’ Dies at 85
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential US singer and performer, inspiration for "Annie Hall" character, folk-rock pioneer. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:29, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Questions: [1] Can someone look at the pic in the infobox, please? Not sure if the license is legit. Wondering if this pic should be removed from the wikibio before a link to this wikibio gets onto ITN-RD. [2] The lone source in the Discography section is a fan site. Not sure it's considered RS. Is there a better source, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 23:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Regarding the discography, I've now added a second source - Allmusic - which in this case is almost completely accurate as well. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the new footnotes, Ghmyrtle. I'm not sure if this is considered RS; if it's good, it may be a useful source to beef up this wikibio. This wikibio is long enough (800+ words), and there are no concerns regarding its formatting and the deployment of footnotes. IMO, this is READY for RD -- I find the photo in the infobox iffy, but I'll let the posting admin handle that. --PFHLai (talk) 13:47, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • I saw that, but didn't feel it added much and is written in a very bizarre style, as though by a bot. I ignored it. I will personally be offline for the next few days, so any progress needs to be led by someone else. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks ready enough. Meets standards, I guess. Contradistinguishing 00:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Attention, please. I think this wikibio is ready for RD, except that the license for the pic in the infobox seems iffy to me. The pic was likely taken in the 1960s. Maybe another license is needed. Maybe the pic should be removed before the a link to this wikibio is added to MainPage. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 10:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted without the photo (which is now under licence review at WCommons). --PFHLai (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nagaenthran K. Dharmalingam

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Article: Nagaenthran K. Dharmalingam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Nagaenthran K. Dharmalingam is controversially executed in Singapore. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61239221
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Malaysian Indian who was convicted of trafficking 42.72 grams of heroin in April 2009. Executed. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:19, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Article is in good shape. Would even be willing to consider a blurb, given the details of the death (controversially executed) rather than merely having died of natural causes. --Jayron32 15:28, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb Man breaks laws and gets punished because of it. Yawn. This man's death nor the circumstances surrounding it were 1) leading or 2) transformative. Kane Tanaka was blurbed because the circumstances surrounding her death (dying at 119) were transformative (in the case of genealogy). Does meet standards for RD though. (Also, ITN is not the place to make anything right, which the blurb appears to try and do.) Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (💬) 15:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Neither "leading" not "transformative" are exclusive criteria for having a blurb in the ITN section. I looked at all documentation, and neither seems to be a requirement. --Jayron32 16:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Given our approach for RDs, these should been seen as minimum thresholds for blurb usage. Death blurbs should be exceptional when RDs are commonplace now as other we keep fighting on bias on these blurbs --Masem (t) 22:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but a blurb is not an award we give for being Famous Enough. A blurb is a means to provide information and nothing else. It's not an endorsement of the person in question, it's not a recognition of value or worth. It's a way to tell people "something about this needs explaining". --Jayron32 12:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If a blurb is a "means to provide information and nothing else", then why don't we just blurb everyone on WP that has an article that died? That's right - because blurbs have extremely high standards. If Melissa Lucio were executed, I'd want to blurb that because she has a whole movement for her and against her execution. This man didn't. He broke a law that had capital punishment as a penalty, and he was executed for it. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:19, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb let's not lower the bar any further, it's too low. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:03, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Nagaenthran's execution is a major controversy in Singapore and has been for months. The fact that he was an intellectually disabled Malaysian Indian involved intersectional campaigns by many activists, leading to international conversations about racism, drugs and disability. It has massive connotations for the abolition of the death penalty there, and the loss establishes the firm rule the authoritarian Singaporean government stands by, which itself may also signal how successful progressive activists might be against Section 377A. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Elevating this to a blurb would be RGW per se, as routine enforcement of the law is not noteworthy. While I personally find such harsh persecution of the already marginalized horrific, this too is much more than the standard than the exception. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Nagaenthran's execution is exceptional in terms of the opposition towards a routine enforcement of law. So much work had been put into his case especially, and it resulted in a straight loss for the huge movement. – Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So the situation is still the same. There's no transformative element here. starship.paint (exalt) 02:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support both RD and blurb, since the case itself was exceptionally hitting at the centre of the global attention towards the case and it became notable even in the West NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 08:31, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 26

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(Posted) RD: Elvera Britto

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Article: Elvera Britto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Indian women's hockey team captain. Arjuna Award winner. Ktin (talk) 16:47, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Klaus Schulze

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Article: Klaus Schulze (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German electronic music pioneer. Grimes2 (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Grimes2 (talk) 12:01, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Grimes2 (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 12:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Geraldine Weiss

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Article: Geraldine Weiss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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 Thriley (talk) 06:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks to be in good shape. Adequate sourcing and length. Canadianerk (talk) 00:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support good to go. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:53, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Salvatore Pica

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Article: Salvatore Pica (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Napoli Repubblica (in Italian)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Italian artist and design entrepreneur Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (💬) 21:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support—Very well-referenced in general, with the only statement that could still use a citation being: "and ones from his friend Lucio Amelio's Modern Art Agency." Otherwise, I think it's already fit for the main page. (Side note: do you think his parents foresaw his future as a prolific artist, seeing as they saw fit to give him a name like Salvatore Pica?) Kurtis (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Side note, @Kurtis: would you mind signing your !vote? Thanks! Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (💬) 15:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oops... done. Thanks for the heads-up! Kurtis (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, it's all good mi amigo! Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (💬) 22:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alabo Graham-Douglas

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Article: Alabo Graham-Douglas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vanguard News Nigeria
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Minister of Youth, Sports and Culture, Minister of Aviation, Minister of Labour and Productivity, AND Minister of Culture and Tourism, respectively. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:48, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 25

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(Posted) RD: Shane Yellowbird

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Article: Shane Yellowbird (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News Global News CTV News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well known Cree country singer in Canada, his death is being covered in all major networks here. Thank you to the updaters, who got to sprucing up the article before me, they rock! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ursula Lehr

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Article: Ursula Lehr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KAF and others
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Pioneering gerontologist in Germany, even federal minister for a short time, remembered for better politics and more respect for the elderly as valuable members of the society. There was a bit of an article but focused on politics, and most references gone. There would be more detail in the new sources if someone has the time and more interest in science and politics. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Twitter purchase

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Article: Twitter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Twitter accepts Elon Musk's offer to buy the company. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Twitter accepts Elon Musk's offer of a $44 billion buyout.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Twitter accepts Elon Musk's takeover offer.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Twitter accepts Elon Musk's $44 billion takeover offer.
News source(s): CNBC, AP, BBC, WSJ, Yahoo fin
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The agreement has to be finalized by shareholders but that is likely to happen. We generally post at the time of the announcement, like we did with Activision Blizzard earlier this year. Calidum 19:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is an absolutely unnecessary spinoff. It's a major deal but not yet shown on the order of the Disney/Fox merger. --Masem (t) 21:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I just requested a move to Elon Musk and Twitter where the broader history of his relationship with Twitter can be discussed. Thriley (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Appears to be a consensus for posting. – Sca (talk) 22:33, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support second alternate blurb per Pawnkingthree. Multiple sources show certain notability, and it's definitely been making it's way around the Internet population. iWillBanU (User:Mattx8y) what did i fuck up now 00:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No issue on featuring the new article with its expansion, but the blurb should include the 44 billion figure as that is what makes this significant now. What might happen to Twitter is well informed speculation but speculation nevertheless. --Masem (t) 00:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull the Twitter board accepted the offer - but at this point, no shares have exchanged hands. Twitter is still a public company and there is no guarantee that all shareholders will accept the deal, not to mention pending regulatory approval. Juxlos (talk) 08:48, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    None of that is in conflict with the blurb we have posted.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The implications for free speech are enormous. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:05, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why was the picture of Robert Golob so quickly replaced with one of Musk? Do we really need to run Musk’s picture? It could be up there for a while if nothing else noteworthy happens this week. Thriley (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Thriley: Please read WP:ITN, to wit "The picture should be for the uppermost blurb. It may be for a lower blurb if no eligible picture is available for a higher blurb. The picture's caption and the parenthetical (pictured) direct readers to the context for the picture." The Twitter acquisition is the uppermost blurb, thus the picture will stay there until such time as a new blurb supplants it as the uppermost. --Jayron32 16:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose, albeit reluctantly: in all likelihood, this story is probably more significant than the outcome of an election in East Timor or Slovenia, but we do not usually post business news on to front page, do we? True, it can hardly get any bigger than this—one of the world's largest social networks, albeit only 17th, is acquired by the world's wealthiest man—but I have never seen it before. If Tencent were to acquire Kuaishou, which has nearly 70% more users, would this make the front page? --Varavour (talk) 16:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I would think it would be more akin to Tencent acquiring Hawtai. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:15, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We post significantly large business deals measured both in magnitude of the deal (tens of billions of dollars a minimum nowadays) and the likely impact on the world at large. Eg if two capital investment groups merged at a value of $100B, but otherwise would really affect they business, we'd not likely post that.--Masem (t) 17:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted): Kane Tanaka

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Article: Kane Tanaka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Kane Tanaka, world's second oldest verified person ever, dies at aged 119 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kane Tanaka, the second oldest verified person ever, dies at the age of 119.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Kane Tanaka, the second oldest verified person ever, dies at the age of 119 years and 107 days.
News source(s): NKR, ABC News Australia
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Passed away April 19, Made Public April 25 4iamking (talk) 12:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this could also y for a blurb maybe, considering she was notable for being the oldest living person alive (and the second oldest person ever) 4iamking (talk) 12:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 24

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(Posted) RD: Clayton Weishuhn

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Article: Clayton Weishuhn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Boston Globe; National Post (Reuters); Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (April 24); died on April 22. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support good to go. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kaushalya Madushani

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Article: Kaushalya Madushani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ada Derana
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: suicide by hanging a day after being adjudged as best hurdler at Sri Lankan National Championships. Abishe (talk) 07:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Slovenian parliamentary election

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Robert Golob
Article: 2022 Slovenian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Freedom Movement led by Robert Golob (pictured) wins the most seats in the Slovenian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: And the other election, green liberal party has won the most seats. BastianMAT (talk) 18:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment While this exit poll may be accurate, this shouldn't be posted until there is prose and statistics for the result. I also ask whether the precedent for multi-party systems is to post the election result or the government formation, or both. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Election results are considered ITNR, precedent is to post the election result, see Czech election for example. Jansa has conceded so its done, but yes article needs updating before being posted. [17] BastianMAT (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Elections are ITNR per se, so it can be published perfectly well regardless of the formation of the government. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tone:, alright, great work mate! We managed to fix it up, amazing. Have added you as an updater, if you could be so kind, can you hand out the nom credits on my talk page? Trying to document them as you can see in my user page. Once again, good work from all of us. BastianMAT (talk) 16:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 French presidential election

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Emmanuel Macron
Article: 2022 French presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Emmanuel Macron is re-elected President of France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Emmanuel Macron is re-elected President of France, defeating Marine Le Pen in a rematch of the 2017 election.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: And the world breathes a sigh of relief. Davey2116 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • What you are seeing now is a little more than an exit poll, it's a projection based on counted actual votes. Historically this has been very accurate, and with such a margin Macron's victory is in no doubt. We post US presidential results prior to 100% completed counts based on broadly similar information. That said, we don't need to be in an unnecessary rush here. --LukeSurl t c 19:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the time this was posted, per the Reuters article, Le Pen had already admitted defeat to her supporters. That's sufficient for us to use as an election result even though the full results won't be in until tomorrow. --Masem (t) 22:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 23

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RD: Enoch Kelly Haney

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Article: Enoch Kelly Haney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KFOR, Oklahoman, Shawnee News-Star, AP News
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Oklahoma HOR member (1980-1986), Senate (1986-2002), Seminole chief (2005-2009) Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (💬) 14:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments/Suggestions: The section on his political career lacks info on anything after 2005. Did he retire? When and how? Some elaborations on what he did at his various posts over his long political career would be good, too. For his artistic career, sources are missing for a few of his artwork mentioned in the prose. Please add more REFs. And for an RD nom, there should be at least a line on the when, where, how, etc. regarding his death. --PFHLai (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barbara Sansoni

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Article: Barbara Sansoni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newsfirst
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Veteran designer and artist who founded the Barefoot (retailer). Abishe (talk) 04:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Johnnie Jones (civil rights)

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Article: Johnnie Jones (civil rights) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stars and Stripes
Credits:

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 Thriley (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PFHLai: Awards are now sourced. Thriley (talk) 06:02, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 06:20, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan

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The news event did not happen on April 23. This nom is a duplication from Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/April 2022#April 16. No consensus to post was developed before that nom expired. --PFHLai (talk) 23:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan kill at least 47 people and injure more than 20 others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan kill at least 47 people and injure 23 others according to Afghan officials.
News source(s): Gandhara, Pajhwok, Khaama, AlJazeera Asian News International
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This was previously nominated by Ainty Painty and there was a problem on the claims of casualties due to insufficient reporting on the matter. This problem was solved and there were no other problems mentioned that weren’t solved but this wasn’t posted. Hope this can be posted now.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 15:44, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In that this is still reported in sources as a he-said, she-said situation. We don't seem to have real on-the-ground third-party validation of the situation. (This is also a very real problem with what's happening in the Russia-Ukraine situation too, so its not limited to just here). --Masem (t) 16:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- Iffy reports, getting stale. Suggest close. -- Sca (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Orrin Hatch

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Article: Orrin Hatch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, AP
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Long-time US senator. Article is lengthy and well-sourced; but a little more cleanup is needed. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 01:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 22

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(Posted) RD: Garland Boyette

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Article: Garland Boyette (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle; NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (April 22); died on April 19. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Guy Lafleur

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Article: Guy Lafleur (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Montreal Gazette CBC News Global News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Montreal Canadiens hockey player. First National Hockey League player to ever score 50 goals in six consecutive seasons. Named one of 100 Greatest NHL Players in history in 2017. RoyalObserver (talk) 12:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think that a discussion regarding a blurb is warranted, but am not sure he quite meets the mark. I don't think the prospect should be dismissed so flippantly, though. He is one of the all-time hockey greats (and I think we would hypothetically probably blurb Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, etc.). Connormah (talk) 22:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Six people are killed after a fire occurs at a defence research institute in Tver, Russia. (Reuters)

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(closed) RD: Daryle Lamonica

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Article: Daryle Lamonica (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports, ESPN
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: NFL quarterback "The Mad Bomber". Led (then Oakland) Raiders to their first Super Bowl appearance in 1968. CoatCheck (talk) 13:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) RD or blurb: Mwai Kibaki

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Article: Mwai Kibaki (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Kenyan president Mwai Kibaki dies at the age of 90. (Post)
News source(s): The Africa Report (Associated Press) (CNN) (ABC News) (Al Jazeera) (The National Post)(Reuters) (Deutsche Welle)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Was president of East Africa's largest economy from 2002 to 2013, so a decent stretch and I think could well be worth a blurb although perhaps his legacy is less obvious than those of his two predecessors Jomo Kenyatta and Daniel arap Moi. Article quality is not terrible, some citations needed as usual, which I will try to fill in through today.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:53, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb Heavily covered by mainstream media. Deserves a blurb and not an RD. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting RD. I don't see a consensus for a blurb at this point but the discussion can continue. Also, for RD, the referenced update about death is sufficient for the article, I'd say. A blurb would require much more coverage. --Tone 13:09, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For those that are in support of a blurb, the article lacks any serious indication of any type of legacy or the like for supporting a blurb like that. Simply being the longest running leader of a country doesn't help. --Masem (t) 13:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Broke the hold of KANU (founded by modern Kenya's founder Kenyatta) through broad coalition; subsequent involvement in corruption, voting irregularities and re-constituting a new constitution. Article looks mostly fine, legacy and death can be expanded but this shouldn't hinge on it. Gotitbro (talk) 14:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If we have to dig around in the article to make that determination for a blurb, the article is not ready in quality for a blurb. --Masem (t) 15:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb As the leader of his country for 11 years, he had many achievements, which are noted in the article. Included amongst these is the passage of the new constitution, and providing free primary education. If those two things aren't transformative, then what is? Chrisclear (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Inspiring Mario Lemieux, among others, to also be great. Have any younger politicians said Kibaki helped them somehow, as a mentor, trailblazer or hero? If so, that'd indicate something bigger to me than being a part of major government programs does. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I’m a little confused on the point you’re making. Hockey and politics seem to me two very different beasts. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Basic greatness is the same wherever you look. Peers, experts and students either make it abundantly clear in tribute/mourning statements or they don't. You don't need to put things together, read between the lines and form your own opinion when the sources speak directly to the point, as they do for Lafleur and don't for Kibaki. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:38, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Not transformative enough. Kenya is not a top country in the world. By the way, every US president should be blurbed. Everyone around the world knows about the US president and care about him. USA is the world superpower and should be treated differently. In the same way, every CEO of Apple company should have a Wikipedia page. Tradediatalk 22:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(closed) Mazar-i-Sharif mosque bombing

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Consensus seems unlikely to develop. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (💬) 01:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 Mazar-i-Sharif mosque bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ISISK's attack on a mosque in the Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif kills at least 31 people and injures 87 others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Islamic State bomb a Shia mosque in Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghanistan, killing over 30 people.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, Al Jazeera, The NY Times
Credits:
 Ainty Painty (talk) 07:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality Notable event but the article needs some work. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(posted to RD): Renate Holm

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Article: Renate Holm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABTC, Gala (in German), SN (also in German)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German opera singer and film actress. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 01:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length (800+ words) Green tickY. Footnotes are in expected spots in the prose, as well as at the end of each bullet-point after the prose Green tickY. Formatting looks alright Green tickY. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:41, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ali Hamsa

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Article: Ali Hamsa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Straits Times
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Cheers! Fakescientist8000 18:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems in good shape. Bedivere (talk) 19:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(closed) Dadu village fire

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Consensus seems unlikely to develop at this point --Jayron32 14:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dadu village fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in Dadu District, Sindh, Pakistan, has killed 9 people, including 8 children and destroyed 120 homes. (Post)
News source(s): The News, DAWN, Geo, The Print, Tribune
Credits:
 Ainty Painty (talk) 11:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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April 20

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(Ready) RD: Robert Morse

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Article: Robert Morse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 18:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 East Timorese presidential election

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José Ramos-Horta
Article: 2022 East Timorese presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ José Ramos-Horta (pictured) is elected President of East Timor. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nobel laureate and former president José Ramos-Horta (pictured) is elected President of East Timor, defeating incumbent president Francisco Guterres.
News source(s): France24
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Has been declared winner, nobel peace prize winner and former president. BastianMAT (talk) 10:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 19

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(Posted) RD: Rolando Hinojosa-Smith

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Article: Rolando Hinojosa-Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Austin American-Statesman; NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Long enough (500+ words) Green tickY. Formatting looks fine Green tickY. Deployment of Footnotes looks fine Green tickY. Coverage Green tickY (but his being Dean and VP, etc. can be mentioned, too, I suppose.) This wikibio is READY for RD. I just have one small thing to pick on: What is "Ellen Clayton Garwood professorship"? This was mentioned in the intro, so one would expect some elaboration in the main body of the wikibio. It's ref'd in the article and can be verified on his CV, too. This small issue should not stop the RD nom from reaching ITN, but please add some details if possible. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Umang Gupta

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Article: Umang Gupta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian American entrepreneur and technology executive. C-class biography. Seems to meet basic hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Earl Devaney

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Article: Earl Devaney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Environment & Energy Publishing
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (April 19); died on April 15. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moral support since it's kind of old news already. Bedivere (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brad Ashford

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Article: Brad Ashford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KETV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Bedivere (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 18

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(Posted) RD: Nicholas Angelich

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Article: Nicholas Angelich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 13:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Another Species of Hominin May Still Be Alive

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I'm going to dignify this nomination with a SNOW close instead of reversion mainly for this reason: @Count Iblis: come on. I regularly see you nominating items that are speedily closed thereafter, but this one in particular is absurd. It's even from an opinion piece, and isn't covered anywhere else. This is not to say you haven't contributed to ITN, but I recommend you refamiliarise yourself with the criteria at WP:ITN before nominating similar items. Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Homo floresiensis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Homo floresiensis may still be alive today (Post)
News source(s): TheScientist
Credits:

Article needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 18:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I see absolutely no text in the target article that contains any information remotely like what the blurb states. --Jayron32 18:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Also, the linked article is an opinion piece. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jerry Doucette

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Article: Jerry Doucette (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Star (Canadian Press); Vancouver Sun; CTV News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Marathon

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Article: 2022 Boston Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Evans Chebet and Peres Jepchirchir win the men's and women's races at the Boston Marathon. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I'll try to add some more prose of the race itself in the coming day or so. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harrison Birtwistle

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Article: Harrison Birtwistle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, one of many
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leading English classical composer, operas and other music with theatrical concepts, scandal at Proms. There should be more, please help, but I think what we have is sourced now. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish military offensive in Iraq

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Article: Operation Claw-Lock (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Turkey launches a military offensive in Duhok, Kurdistan Region, Iraq. (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, Reuters, AlJazeera, EuroNews
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Turkey launches Operation Claw-Lock, bombing twenty targets in northern Iraq and killing 19 PKK fighters. Knightoften (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose per Jayron32. As a stub, it's not eligible for the main page.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC) [reply]

*Support (change to neutral, see comment below) I have been updating the article the recent days and it is not a stub anymore. The article as it stands has several prominent international/English sources such as Reuters, Associated Press, Voice of America, then the daily Die Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and the weekly Die Zeit, which are both reliable and probably some of the most prominent RS in regards to newspapers from Germany. Regionals are from Al Monitor, Arab News, Hürryiet and Bianet etc. and many more can be added. And it is not just a battle in a 40+ year war, it is a cross-border incursion by one sovereign country into another sovereign country which has been publicly opposed by prominent politicians such as Iraqs President and foreign minister.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bridget Tan

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Article: Bridget Tan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Straits Times, Yahoo! News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Migrant worker's rights advocate in Singapore, founder of the Humanitarian Organization for Migration Economics. This wikibio is long enough (600+ words) and has enough footnotes. Could use some re-organization. --PFHLai (talk) 17:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 17

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(Posted) RD: N. Sankar

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Article: N. Sankar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Economic Times, The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian industrialist. Article is a start-class biography that meets minimum expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Radu Lupu

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Article: Radu Lupu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Temps
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spectacular pianist, vital article, GA. Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 16

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[ATTENTION NEEDED] Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan

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Article: Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan kill at least 47 people and injure more than 20 others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan kill at least 47 people and injure 23 others according to Afghan officials.
News source(s): Gandhara, Pajhwok, Khaama, AlJazeera Asian News International
Credits:

 Ainty Painty (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's a lack of good reporting on the ground here for this that I would be a bit careful on this story. Airstrikes from Pakistani on Afgani ground happened, but who and how many were killed is not clear and there's little western sources to help supply good information that assures who were among the dead, since Pakistan claims the strike was against a militant group. --Masem (t) 17:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The only mention I've seen on main Eng.-lang. RS sites is AlJazeera's "Afghan woman, children killed by Pakistan rocket fire." – Sca (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Which only gives a death toll of 6. Pointing to the lack of on-the-ground reliability here for this. --Masem (t) 18:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Continue to Oppose this, as while we have more Western sources reporting on this. They are all along the lines of claims of the respective government and not results of neutral third party eyewitnesses. Details are still lacking corroboration here. --Masem (t) 15:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Very little RS coverage thus far, but potentially a significant event if it leads to escalation between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Kip (talk) 05:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A country launching airstrikes in another country is a very notable event. The fact that the English-language media from the Western world don't heed this event sufficiently because they care very little about anything happening outside of Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand isn't a reason to omit it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Its not an issue of lack of Western reporting but the fact that exactly what happened on the ground as a result from the strike is extremely unclear with numbers all over the place. --Masem (t) 15:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know what else should be clarified when the death of at least 40 people (whether they're 41 or 45 doesn't change much) as a result of the airstrikes has been confirmed. But it's not difficult to decipher what's going on here: Taliban authorities aren't reliable, Afghan people are sub-humans because they're not European, and Pakistan isn't an enemy of the Western world to be blamed for its actions.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It is absoluitely not degrading the people of Afghan, but it is the fact that how many civilians were killed is a very unclear number as that 40 deaths is not consistently reported in sources. That's my point, the lack of Western sources - which usually work to validate these figures - is leaving us with a very unclear picture of the end result, and that's a sad systematic bias of Western media, not us. --Masem (t) 21:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The only claims of the death count are coming from the Taliban as of this moment, which has an active political interest in the numbers. Nothing has been verified from onlookers or otherwise reliable sources. That's the problem here, not "western bias," although as Masem says, there is a systemic element to the lack of coverage. The Kip (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now There isn’t one exact claim on the amount of casualties as in the sources provided here, some are claiming there to be 40 deaths but then Al Jazeera are claiming that there were 6 casualties with a local confirming this. We can’t really say how many casualties there are in the blurb for now due to the two different claims. Until there is better news coverage given, we can’t post this.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 15:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unfortunately because we are lacking good coverage. Per Hamza Ali Shah, we don't even have the sources agreeing on the number of casualties. And to add on top of the confusion, the Pakistani government hasn't publicly acknowledged the airstrikes. There's no way to confirm if it was an airstrike or a set of rocket attacks, which in the case of the latter, is nothing new. We are effectively dealing with "circumstantial" reports on the ground. Mar4d (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a notable escalation and a high death toll. Sheila1988 (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Masem, Hamza, Mar4d. Situation murky, not corroborated by dependable sources or RS coverage. Not in the news to speak of. Epistemologically fraught. – Sca (talk) 18:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose per above. Bedivere (talk) 15:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – The death toll has now been confirmed by Al Jazeera, France 24, NY Times and DW.
Preceding comment posted by Ainty Painty. – Sca (talk) 12:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Sca. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 15

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(Posted) RD: Ed Jasper

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Article: Ed Jasper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Post (Reuters); Tyler Morning Telegraph; Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David G. Barber

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Article: David G. Barber (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): University of Manitoba (Press Release)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian environmental scientist. Article needs to be expanded. Obituaries should start coming out soon and can be used to be update the article. I will work on the article. If someone wants to lend a hand, jump right-in. Thanks. Edits done. Meets basic hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:56, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Henry Plumb, Baron Plumb

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Article: Henry Plumb, Baron Plumb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, Farmers Weekly
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: President of the European Parliament from 1987 to 1989, the only Briton to hold the post. This wikibio still needs more footnotes, but it's getting there.... --PFHLai (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zippy Chippy

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Article: Zippy Chippy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, BloodHorse
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the losingest racehorse in thoroughbred racing history. This wikibio still needs more footnotes, but it's getting there.... --PFHLai (talk) 15:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Baidyanath Chakrabarty

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Article: Baidyanath Chakrabarty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian gynaecologist and reproductive medicine researcher. C-class biography and meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Art Rupe

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Article: Art Rupe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Arthur N. Rupe Foundation
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 06:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Liz Sheridan

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Article: Liz Sheridan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actress. The article is not in bad shape, but the filmography needs to be sourced. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 21:12, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

+ 1 cn. Grimes2 (talk) 09:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Christopher Moore (preservationist)

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Article: Christopher Moore (preservationist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT Obit, death announced 4/14
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: this might be too close to a stub, but I thought long enough worth considering given his body of work. If too short, no worries. Star Mississippi 20:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bilquis Edhi

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Article: Bilquis Edhi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn, Geo TV, NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 16:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mike Bossy

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Article: Mike Bossy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Newton

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Article: Jack Newton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-15/golf-great-jack-newton-dies/100994210
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian professional golfer. Died at 72. HiLo48 (talk) 01:27, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments: There are a handful of {cn} tags in the prose. The golf results in the boxes following the prose also need to be sourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The prose has no more {cn} tags, but the tables need references. There are details in the tables, such as dates, scores and names of other competing golfers, that are not mentioned in the prose and need to be verified or removed. --PFHLai (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • There are now footnotes following the tables, which I AGF that they cover all the tabulated info. The prose is long enough (700+ words) and has footnotes in expected spots. Formatting and coverage seem ok. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BEEN MARKED READY FOR OVER 24 HOURS! HiLo48 (talk) 01:57, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably stale already. Bedivere (talk) 03:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 14

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(Posted) Russian cruiser Moskva

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Posted, consensus is clear and unlikely to change. --Tone 17:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Russian cruiser Moskva (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian flagship cruiser Moskva sinks in the Black sea off the coast of Odessa (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian flagship cruiser Moskva sinks following an explosion off the coast of Ukraine.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Russian flagship cruiser Moskva sinks following a Ukrainian attack.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Russian flagship cruiser Moskva, the largest naval vessel to be sunk since the end of World War II, sinks following an explosion off the Ukrainian coast.
News source(s): BBC, DW, Reuters, AP
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This ship (of the "Russian warship, go fuck yourself" fame) has now sunk. Unclear casualties. Quoting BBC "The 510-crew vessel was an important symbolic and military target, and has led Russia's naval assault on Ukraine" Venkat TL (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. This definitely needs RS sources linked in the nomination. The last I looked this had not been confirmed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:27, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ad Orientem, Beeb added Venkat TL (talk) 20:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Their reporting is not perfect. This ship is larger than General Belgrano. Jehochman Talk 21:11, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, the New York Times reports that "the loss of the ship was not likely to alter the course of the war". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • [Strong] Oppose - Okay, a ship sank. This is a small part of the bigger picture (one that is already listed in "Ongoing"). We can not (or at the very least, should not) create a blurb for every single update in this war. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:29, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Calling the Admiral ship that has the command and control of the naval theater and leading the entire naval effort in an ongoing war, as just a 'ship' is a massive understatement. I think you are also massively discounting the part about "important symbolic and military asset of Russian Navy". The news came in last couple of hours. It will be the major news item and will be in the headlines across the world. Perfect fit for WP:ITN. --Venkat TL (talk) 22:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How many important and historic building in Ukraine have been damaged or destroyed by the war? Plenty, but all covered by the ongoing. There is nothing special that a major military vessel sunk from an explosion (cause still being determined) in the midst of war from the same with buildings. We also didnt post about that aircraft that was destroyed early on. I get the relative importance from military and warfare buffs, but it the larger picture, this is just an effect of the war.--Masem (t) 23:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the destruction of the Antonov AN-225 was quite notable. Not sure if it was ever nominated. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As said above, this is a major naval vessel, the subject of the most important sinking in decades, and is currently across the front pages of global media. — The Anome (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support A modern cruiser armed with nuclear weapons sunk by enemy's cruise missiles? The largest navy vessel sunk since the end of World War II? If this singular event does not deserve to be blurbed, I dont know what does. Daikido (talk) 23:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ... for now, because (a) it's not yet entirely clear what caused the sinking, a Ukrainian missile or a storm as the damaged vessel was being towed, (b) the 510-man crew had been evacuated (i.e. no fatalities), and (c) the significance vis-a-vis Russia's naval power remains to be seen in the Black Sea, where it maintains sizeable forces. – Sca (talk) 23:12, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am also opposed. But fwiw as an ex naval person I am deeply skeptical of the Russian version of events. For a modern cruiser to be destroyed by some kind of fire/accidental detonation of ordinance would necessitate a level of incompetence that would be breathtaking, even for the Russians. I'm also not buying the zero casualties claim which is almost risible. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Moskva was 39 years old. -- Sca (talk) 12:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Flagship, (meaning the ship that flies the Admiral's flag) and leads the war effort with three tiered air defence system, does not sink easily, even if hit by missile. As Admiral Stavridis said, massive incompetency was involved here. Everyone knows the significance of this kill and Kremlin is trying to salvage its honor by spreading alternate theories about the cause of this blunder. With the amount of capabilities and weapons sunk, along with RN honor, this is a very significant event. Venkat TL (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unless clearly established as a major turning point in the war (such as enabling Ukraine naval forces to fully seize the seas, which is clearly not the case), all this is speculation of the impact of the sinking on larger events. Hence why its ideal to be covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 23:29, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If Wikipedia was around during the Falklands war, then I would have supported the inclusion of the sinking of the ARA General Belgrano as well. Big ships sunk in conflict are extremely rare after WWII. Also, the flagship of a fleet of a world power sinking, regardless of context, is big time news. This is still significant even if it somehow has zero impact on the conflict. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We've never needed every detail before, nor do we speculate about the future, so I don't know why we do now. I would note the only claim of the crew's evacuation is from the Russians, who have a record in this conflict of not being honest about their level of casualties. 331dot (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved to the first alt blurb. RS sources are generally reporting that western intelligence believe the ship was sunk by the Ukrainians. But I will leave that issue to be sorted out below. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Please give the credits. Alt Blurb that is posted is good in my opinion. Clarifies that explosions happened without taking sides. Venkat TL (talk) 07:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
credit given. Venkat TL (talk) 14:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Largest Russian asset lost in this war, in dollar and symbolic value, and irreplaceable. Possible turning point in the Russian war in Ukraine. Connections to the famous “Russian warship GFY” trope. Insight on a new Ukrainian long-range, high-tech offensive weapon associated with the sinking, and on Soviet history due to the ship’s Ukrainian origin. —Michael Z. 02:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It is the largest conflict since WW2 (per the main article) in Europe and related superlative events should be expected (largest ship et al). But it seems we are giving minute-by-minute updates to anything "major" related to the war on ITN, more so than we ever did even for COVID (where every significant nom war shot down). The purpose of ongoing seems to be lost and LaserLegs nomination to remove it does not appear to be so frivolous, as was being shown, anymore. Gotitbro (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure whether the COVID pandemic was widely described as a war crime or genocide. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a "minute by minute" update. Ships are not being sunk every minute. 331dot (talk) 08:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Three ITN items relating to the war just this month, which has barely gotten half-way through, all the while having an ongoing listing does appear excessive by ITN standards regardless of its nature. Gotitbro (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that if the Ukrainians sink the next Russian flagship that it should not be posted, or even the next large warship. 331dot (talk) 13:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Users understating this event, should note that main Russian State media is having a meltdown and declaring - ""World War III Has Begun After Sinking Of Moskva": Russian State TV". NDTV.com. 15 April 2022. Venkat TL (talk) 14:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Russian media has been in melt down mode since before the war began with their hysterical propaganda. At the time, I did not agree with the proposed removal from ongoing. But if this continues I may rethink that subject. These regular updates of major developments in the war are starting to undermine the raison d'etre for the ongoing link. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Olesya Loseva, the host of Vremya Pokazhet on Channel One, said the West was now supplying "zillions of weapons” to Ukraine." "It's definitely not a joke". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The likely imminent fall of Mariupol if/when it happens will be militarily far more significant than the sinking of this ship. Are we going to post that? -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We'll have to see if and when it's nominated. Unless you're suggesting a placeholder already? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am suggesting that ITN is becoming a de-facto news ticker for major developments in the Russo-Ukranian War. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We didn't post the Russian retreat from Kiev. Mariupol has alredy been flattened. There is still some organized resistance, so I don't know if the final consolidation of Russian control will be such a notable moment that it would be posted. That depends how it's reported in the press. If Russia drops a tactical nuke somewhere, we would definitely post that, but hopefully they aren't listening to me and thinking about ways to get a "win" on the home page of Wikipedia. Jehochman Talk 14:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure we're even on the hit list. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Russians don't want Mariupol for its buildings or scenic view. They want it for its strategic location. And if/when they get it, that will be a much bigger deal than the sinking of a cruiser. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jehochman, " No one is thinking about using...a nuclear weapon: Kremlin spokesman". Regarding Mariupol, I believe we should discuss the event when it comes here.- Venkat TL (talk) 15:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment There have been four events in this war that have made ITNR:
    • The invasion itself.
    • The Bucha massacre, the first mass killing on this scale in Europe since the Yugoslav Wars.
    • The expulsion of Russia from the UNHRC, only the second time this has occurred in the nearly 80-year history of the UN, and made more significant by the fact they're a UNSC permanent member.
    • This, one of the two largest naval sinkings since the end of WWII, and the largest since the Falklands.
None of these are "trivial" or routine combat updates, so I fail to see how we're operating a "minute by minute" news ticker for this war. For the record, I don't think an eventual fall of Mariupol should make ITNR, but a potential battlefield nuke should. The Kip (talk) 15:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And the expulsion of Russia from the UNHRC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, which in itself was extremely significant as it has only happened once before (in the nearly 80-year history of the UN) and especially not to a UNSC permanent member. The Kip (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Almost like, *shock horror*, ITN is for events that are In the news! Really struggling to understand why some people find that so confronting. AusLondonder (talk) 18:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The expulsion from UNHRC was new ticking. Let's be clear, they weren't expelled from the UN, they were expelled from the UNHRC, which is a borderline useless and ineffective body. There's a reason why nobody is talking about the UNHRC exit anymore - literally more people discuss a football match a month afterwards than are still discussing the UNHRC thing. This sinking is kinda news ticking too. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It is a rare event as has been pointed out by many above. But I do note here that the era of warships would have been over a long time ago, were not not for the fact that there have been many military conflicts against very weak enemies. With anti-ship missiles like the DF-26 it would be game over for any navy right when a conflict starts. Count Iblis (talk) 16:02, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose per all above. Covered by ongoing. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support wide international news coverage, more than worthy of a blurb for this event. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • PPO Ongoing. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:45, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • would it be possible to lift the term flagship for those not nautically minded? It’s an important part of the blurb. 2600:1011:B061:E079:3800:B89D:8FFA:F67E (talk) 11:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support On principle. For those pointing to COVID precedent - I'd have probably supported some of those noms if I was active here then, for the same reasoning. And I'm inclined to support, because ongoing remains in my opinion, utterly useless to most readers at covering specific news events within a larger conflict/event. They can, and should, coexist - claiming that Ongoing adequately covers individual incidents remains laughable, particularly for COVID and this war. We are not a newspaper, but we also should not pretend that most people clicking on the Russian invasion link are getting adequate coverage of blurb-worthy events. I will continue to maintain that they are best served by a combination of the two. Yes, there's nominimumdeaths, but in this event, it was initially a mostly a symbolic blow to Russia, vs. a notable development - until things escalated further. I am also increasingly concerned some people are supporting these nominations for the wrong reasons, and that is worthy of review and criticism. I support, only barely. Canadianerk (talk) 14:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, was that escalation just coincidental? Either Putin was lying that the ship was not hit by Ukrainian missiles. Or he falsely used the sinking as the pretext for the missile attack. Which would be more likely? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post posting support. The warship wouldn't fuck itself, so the Ukrainians fucked it. Sorry for lateness, been sorting a big mess out over at Commons. Mjroots (talk) 17:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Killing of Patrick Lyoya

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Consensus is highly unlikely to develop in favor of posting this. Regards SoWhy 13:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Killing of Patrick Lyoya (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The killing of Patrick Lyoya, who was shot in the back of the head by a Grand Rapids Police Department officer, sparks outrage against police brutality in the United States (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, CNN, CBS News, Estadão, Ludwigsburger Kreiszeitung, AP, BBC, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Video of the killing of Patrick Lyoya is released and has received international attention surrounding the reported brutality surrounding the incident, making this very notable. This incident has been compared to the murder of George Floyd. WMrapids (talk) 00:56, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mak Ho Wai

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Article: Mak Ho Wai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AsiaOne HK01
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hong Kong-Singapore actor. Recently created, undergoing expansion sufficiently expanded just beyond stub. – robertsky (talk) 07:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for the expansion, Robertsky. It's still short, but it's now long enough to qualify for RD. Referencing and formatting look alright. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 13

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RD: Letizia Battaglia

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Article: Letizia Battaglia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, AP, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Sicilian photojournalist best known for her work on the Mafia. Could use more refs and footnotes, but I don't know Italian, so, sorry, I ain't sure if I can do much there. PFHLai (talk) 17:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bill Sadler (engineer)

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Article: Bill Sadler (engineer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hamilton Spectator
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 This nom was posted here on ITN/C on behalf of Kumboloi (talk · contribs). --PFHLai (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michel Bouquet

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Article: Michel Bouquet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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 Thriley (talk) 06:44, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alvin Walker

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Article: Alvin Walker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 3DownNation, KBTX-TV
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(Posted) RD: Tom McCarthy (ice hockey, born 1960)

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Article: Tom McCarthy (ice hockey, born 1960) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune; BayToday.com; insauga.com
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Freddy Rincón

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Article: Freddy Rincón (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sports, Marca, Sky News
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Nominator's comments: His death was announced, recently . One of the best South American footballers of the 90s. Unfortunately, the article is far from ready, but I thought it was worth nominating it. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 06:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose For Now, per nom. But he does seem like a legit multinational star, arguably died young and definitely injured five other people in dying. So a blurb would at least make sense, whether or not he was previously known to North American football fans. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue against a blurb; I don't feel he was particularly transformative. Unable to lead his national team to glory, only once named his league's best player... he was unquestionably great, but not worthy of a blurb IMO. -- Kicking222 (talk) 18:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I assume a blurb would come under the "death is the story" criterion rather than the "transformative" one.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 12

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(Posted) RD: Shirley Spork

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Article: Shirley Spork (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News , LPGA
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the co-founders of LPGA. This wikibio is long enough (500+ words), its footnoting seems adequate, and there does not seem to be any formatting issues. Looks READY for RD already to me. --PFHLai (talk) 08:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Larysa Khorolets

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Article: Larysa Khorolets (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ukrinform.ua (uk) - nz.topnews.media en
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First Minister of Culture of Ukraine, before: actress, afterwards: many positions including professor, - added from Ukraininan obit, but having to rely on translator. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gilbert Gottfried

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Article: Gilbert Gottfried (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Official Twitter account, WaPo, People, BBC
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Nominator's comments: Just passed away. Andise1 (talk) 19:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not yet ready for posting as the filmography needs to be sourced. Of course, this was just announced so it will likely take time. I wonder if a blurb would be appropriate here.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nowhere close to top tier or transformative leader here. Blurb would be inappropriate. --Masem (t) 19:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much unknown outside the US, I'd say. Black Kite (talk) 19:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Outside of there he's just a talking parrot. And hey, Hollywood Squares aired in Canada as well! - Floydian τ ¢ 20:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of people were that talking parrot. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And Canada. He's known to us, too. Kurtis (talk) 03:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, we know him alright. Knew him as a peg or two below Bob Saget and Norm Macdonald, but more charmingly influential than Louie Anderson. At least that's how he's remembered in Northern Ontario comedy networks, in case you're not the Kurtis I know; if he was a rock legend, he'd be Corey Hart, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:09, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect you're thinking of Kurtis Conner. My name is Kurtis Co—erm... a strikingly similar surname that also happens to start with the letter "C". Kurtis (talk) 05:38, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, my guy is too lowkey for Wikipedia or Vine, and his last name begins with W. Funny how that almost turned out, though, small world. If I ever run across North York Kurtis at a true north club, I'll have to remember to introduce myself properly (as for you, hi, I'm Hulk!). InedibleHulk (talk) 06:27, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pleasure to meet you, Hulk! Are you, perchance, this Hulk? To the best of my knowledge, he is also inedible (assuming you don't cannibalize Bruce Banner). Kurtis (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A common misconception, let me tell ya, but I'm "actually" a twisted mutant offshoot of that brother from another mother. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which is ironic considering that WP:V states: "The word "source" when citing sources on Wikipedia has three related meanings: The work itself (the article, book)". A film is a published source available to the public and should be considered reliable in of itself for cast and crew. - Floydian τ ¢ 02:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • If one were talking a starring or suppurg role where their name would certainly be on the main credits, perhaps yes, but the bulk of filmography tend to be cameo and minor appearances that require that additional sourcing to confirm because of the not obviousness under WP:V. --Masem (t) 13:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 New York City Subway attack

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Closed means closed, and this is very clear one. --Tone 08:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Clearly no consensus to post. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 New York City Subway attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Brooklyn, 16 people are injured, 10 of whom were shot, on a subway train by a gunman. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, CNN
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Nominator's comments: Suspect is still at large, so this is a developing story. A signifier of the increase in violent gun crime in NY, particularly on the subway/transit systems. WaltCip-(talk) 17:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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April 11

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(Posted) RD: Joe Horlen

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Article: Joe Horlen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oklahoma State
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wayne Cooper (basketball)

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Article: Wayne Cooper (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian; New Orleans Privateers; National Post (Reuters)
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) South Africa floods

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Article: 2022 KwaZulu-Natal floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding across KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, leaves at least 250 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, New York Times, BBC, AlJazeera, France24 (AFP)
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Nominator's comments: Another significant flood event in this ever-wetter world. Rainfall started on the 8th but the major events did not start until the 11th. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 04:49, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rainfall has been way below average for the past six months where I live. HiLo48 (talk) 05:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You live around Melbourne right? According to climate change in Australia it's supposed to get drier, at least on average. And the natural volatility of hot Outback-y fire years followed by floods, bumper crops and mice explosions seems to be getting worse. I heard that each of your 3 oceans has an El Niño-y cycle which contribute to the interesting problem of different Australian cities having opposite problems in the same summer 2022. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Sydney had its average annual rainfall by early April. Stephen 22:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please update the article itself, with new sources, to show the changes, so that we can update the blurb as well. The correct order to do this is 1) cite the source 2) update the article text 3) update the blurb. We need steps 1 and 2 before we can do step 3. Thanks. --Jayron32 14:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've started a discussion on the talkpage, as there appears to be different numbers. But the fact there's more deaths means that it's probably more ITN worthy, in my opinion (once the details in the article have been sorted out). Joseph2302 (talk) 14:15, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 Indonesian student protests

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Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:11, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 Indonesian student protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Students across Indonesia protested against rumours regarding delayed election and Joko Widodo's third term. (Post)
News source(s): DW, Reuters, The Star (Malaysia)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Major protests occured spread across Indonesia's major cities. Improvements would be very appreciated. Nyanardsan (talk) 07:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose so far I don't see ITN-worthy. Protests as there are in many places and whose effects, for now, are trivial. Moreover, they are based on "rumors". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    How about alternative blurb, as there are demands aside of the rumoured election delay and third term.
    Alt blurb: Students across Indonesia protested against delaying 2024 election, extension of Joko Widodo's term, and rising price of cooking oil.
    I think its ITN-worthy just based on how widespread the protest is, that the protest occured not just in big cities in Java but also spread to almost all provincial capitals. Nyanardsan (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I still think that simple protests are not ITN-worthy per se. There has to be something else: very important changes in the political landscape (local, regional, national), clashes or notorious violence in the streets.... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:42, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Apparently here at ITN the only protests that are posted are those that result to deaths. IANAL, but presidential term extensions might need a constitutional amendment(?) and may be ITN if indeed is pursued all the way. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Evidently, because deaths resulting from clashes in protests are rare and notorious. Protests that are apparently peaceful or very minor in scope, on the other hand, are commonplace and usually trivial. And I have my doubts that a small constitutional amendment is ITN-worthy, frankly. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually checked 2020 national electoral calendar, and there were at least 10 constitutional referendums, but ITN only posted two: those in Italy and Russia, plus an independence referendum in New Caledonia. I mean, that's par the course on ITN posting news mostly participated by white guys... but I suppose a referendum in Indonesia, the world's third largest democracy, if ever they'd want Joko Widodo, the person with the largest mandate on Earth recently, can run again is most certainly not a "small constitutional amendment." Howard the Duck (talk) 18:11, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The referendums in Russia and Italy proposed the reform of something more (3 articles at least of the Italian constitution and many more changes in Russia) than the simple limit of the term of office of a head of state/government. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's true, and I love that you're focusing on the quantity of the amendments, but not on the quality. Loosening of term limits are quite a big deal. FWIW, Indonesia never had referendums(?), and I'm assuming such amendments should lead into one, but it seems that in this case it won't so I dunno how that should play out. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) January 2014 interstellar meteor

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No consensus to post. Regards SoWhy 13:25, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Interstellar object (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. Space Command confirms, in April 2022, that the first known interstellar object entered Earth's atmosphere in January 2014. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Declassified data confirms the first known interstellar object arrival to Earth's atmosphere.
News source(s): JPL, Vice NASA primary source
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Although it reads like an April 1 entry, it is indeed a real thing. The original report came out in 2019 and was picked up by the likes of Scientific American but was confirmed only now after release of classified data from satellites monitoring detonation of weapons in the atmosphere. I think this worthwhile posting because this is the first time an interstellar object was confirmed to have actually touched Earth (relevant to panspermia) not just passed through the giant emptiness of the Solar System. 2A02:2F0B:B414:B700:2DDC:4A44:8C14:E531 (talk) 21:51, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The declassification is the confirmation. ITN should not publish unconfirmed results, and this is just the confirmation of the hypothesis from a few years ago. 81.181.130.106 (talk) 11:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on multiple grounds: no peer-reviewed paper despite years of opportunity to write one; Avi Loeb's preprint which originally suggested the interstellar classification was submitted to a journal in 2019 but never published, suggesting it failed to convince referees during peer review; even if it's true there's limited significance, as little can be learnt from a single bolide; and even NASA seems to think this is a minor footnote to their press release, which says "the short duration of collected data, less than five seconds, makes it difficult to definitively determine if the object’s origin was indeed interstellar". Frankly I'm not convinced this is well enough established to merit even one paragraph our article, which seems to over-state the confidence, let alone an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 11:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Barely in the news, insufficient update, questionable notability.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - seems worthy imo - further support/background text/references copied below - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:25, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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NOTE: Copied from "Talk:Interstellar object#Interstellar object on Earth?" - for consideration/discussion:

FWIW - seems an interstellar object may currently be on Earth - recent news[1][2][3][4] may be of possible interest to some I would think - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BRIEF Followup - Updated the lede of the 'Oumuamua article as follows => *ʻOumuamua is a known interstellar object detected passing through the Solar System.(+ref) It is possibly the second interstellar object known; the first being a purported interstellar meteor that impacted Earth in 2014.(+refs)" - seems better - comments welcome of course - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FURTHER Updates (also for consideration/discussion) - originally in the "Interstellar object" article as follows:

The first interstellar object which was discovered traveling through our Solar System was 1I/ʻOumuamua in 2017. The second was 2I/Borisov in 2019. They both possess significant hyperbolic excess velocity, indicating they did not originate in the Solar System. Earlier, in 2014, an interstellar object was purported to have impacted Earth, based on its estimated initial high velocity.[1][2][3][4]

In 2019, a preprint was published suggesting that a 0.45 meter meteor of interstellar origin, did burn up in the Earth's atmosphere on January 8, 2014.[5][6][1][2] It had a heliocentric speed of 60 km/s and an asymptotic speed of 42.1±5.5 km/s, and it exploded at 17:05:34 UTC near Papua New Guinea at an altitude of 18.7 km.[3] After declassifying the data in April 2022,[7] the U.S. Space Command confirmed the detection through its planetary protection sensors.[8][4]

In April 2022, astronomers reported the possibility that a meteor that impacted Earth in 2014 may have been an interstellar object due to its estimated high initial velocity.[1][2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ a b c d Ferreira, Becky (7 April 2022). "Secret Government Info Confirms First Known Interstellar Object on Earth, Scientists Say - A small meteor that hit Earth in 2014 was from another star system, and may have left interstellar debris on the seafloor". Vice News. Retrieved 9 April 2022.
  2. ^ a b c d Wenz, John (11 April 2022). ""It Opens A New Frontier Where You're Using The Earth As A Fishing Net For These Objects." - Harvard Astronomer Believes An Interstellar Meteor (or Craft) Hit Earth In 2014". Inverse. Retrieved 11 April 2022.
  3. ^ a b c d Siraj, Amir; Loeb, Abraham (4 June 2019). "Discovery of a Meteor of Interstellar Origin". arXiv:1904.07224.
  4. ^ a b c d Handal, Josh; Fox, Karen; Talbert, Tricia (8 April 2022). "U.S. Space Force Releases Decades of Bolide Data to NASA for Planetary Defense Studies". NASA. Retrieved 11 April 2022.
  5. ^ Billings, Lee (23 April 2019). "Did a Meteor from Another Star Strike Earth in 2014? - Questionable data cloud the potential discovery of the first known interstellar fireball". Scientific American. Retrieved 12 April 2022.
  6. ^ Choi, Charles Q. (16 April 2019). "The First Known Interstellar Meteor May Have Hit Earth in 2014 - The 3-foot-wide rock rock visited us three years before 'Oumuamua". Space.com. Retrieved 12 April 2022.
  7. ^ Specktor, Brandon (11 April 2022). "An interstellar object exploded over Earth in 2014, declassified government data reveal - Classified data prevented scientists from verifying their discovery for 3 years". Live Science. Retrieved 12 April 2022.
  8. ^ United States Space Command (6 April 2022). ""I had the pleasure of signing a memo with @ussfspoc's Chief Scientist, Dr. Mozer, to confirm that a previously-detected interstellar object was indeed an interstellar object, a confirmation that assisted the broader astronomical community". Twitter. Retrieved 12 April 2022.
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RD: Gary Brown

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Article: Gary Brown (running back) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Click2Houston, ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former American football running back and coach. Father of 3. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:27, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Pakistan PM

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Articles: Prime Minister of Pakistan (talk · history · tag) and Shehbaz Sharif (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, Shehbaz Sharif is elected 23rd Prime Minister of Islamic Republic of Pakistan after his predecessor is successfully removed from office though a no-confidence motion. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the no-confidence motion to remove Imran Khan, Shehbaz Sharif is elected the new Prime Minister of Pakistan.
News source(s): Dawn Al Jazeera NDTV.com CNN
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: nominating ITN for 23rd Prime Minster Elmisnter! (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 10

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April 10, 2022 (2022-04-10) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) Plateau State massacres

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Article: 2022 Plateau State massacres (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Nigerian bandit conflict, over 150 people are killed in a series of massacres in Plateau State. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A bandit gang carry out massacres in Plateau State, Nigeria.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of attacks by armed bandits kill more than 150 people in Plateau State, Nigeria.
News source(s): (BBC News) (CBS)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Over 150 people killed in an escalation of the Herder–farmer conflicts in Nigeria. Sheila1988 (talk) 19:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tropical Storm Megi (2022)

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Article: Tropical Storm Megi (2022) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Megi (satellite image shown), kills at least 80 people, in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): GMA News, Manila Times, BBC News, Yahoo News, CBS News, AlJazeera, France 24 (AFP), Manila Standard (AFP)
Credits:

Article updated

 HurricaneEdgar 03:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Philippe Boesmans

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Article: Philippe Boesmans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde;
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Belgian composer Grimes2 (talk) 09:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Drew (basketball)

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Article: John Drew (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AL.com; The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments: It does not seem right for the wikibio to have more words in the section on his drug addiction than that on his playing career. He was a two-time NBA All-Star (not to mention a CBA All-Star, too!) --PFHLai (talk) 04:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the expansion on his playing career, Bloom6132. This wikibio is long enough (700+ words), Its footnoting and formatting look fine. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 10:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Masters

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Article: 2022 Masters Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Scottie Scheffler wins the Masters Tournament. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, AP, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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 Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 9

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April 9, 2022 (2022-04-09) (Saturday)

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Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Dick Swatland

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Article: Dick Swatland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Patch.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:10, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Degen

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Article: Michael Degen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German actor, director and writer. Short, I hope it's enough. Grimes2 (talk) 14:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grimes2, filmography needs to be sourced. It'll look longer if you add another sentence or two of summary to the lead. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Grimes2 (talk) 15:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Bailey

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Article: Chris Bailey (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, The Guardian, The Sydney Morning Herald, Nine News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Punk rock pioneer

Hello Joseph2302...more sources now added. 58.179.71.231 (talk) 13:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article needs to be fully sourced before it can be posted to ITN. SpencerT•C 00:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jack Higgins

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Article: Jack Higgins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Novelist famous for numerous spy novels including The Eagle Has Landed. Sadly needs much sourcing imprvovement. Masem (t) 12:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Birgit Nordin

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Article: Birgit Nordin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stockholm Royal Opera
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Soprano, decades at the Royal Opera, famous as Queen of the Night in Mozart's Magic Flute film, sung in Swedish, directed by Ingmar Bergman - there could be more. Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks as if she died 7 April, but the news came around only yesterday, - leaving it here for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eleanor Munro

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Article: Eleanor Munro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Article has not been updated. I will give it a go. If someone wants to lend a hand, jump right-in. Thanks. Edits done. Article meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Grand National

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Article: 2022 Grand National (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In horse racing, Noble Yeats wins the Grand National ridden by jockey Sam Waley-Cohen. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC News)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR sporting event Lankyant (talk) 01:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article should be updated with the race results and prose about the race itself, per norm for such sporting events. --Masem (t) 01:21, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Race results added just needs prose Lankyant (talk) 01:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality This is far from being anywhere near good enough for the front page: barely any prose whatsoever, most of it is stats table, and even assuming a little paragraph or two could be written about the race, that would still not really solve that this isn't the kind of high-quality content we want to be showcasing to our readers (mostly because it isn't "high-quality", even if it technically is statistically accurate). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 05:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Lacking any substantial prose. Lacking sources. Large paragraphs are completely unsourced. AusLondonder (talk) 10:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Death toll My attention was caught by the final section entitled "Equine fatalities". This is rather euphemistic but makes the point that several horses died. The number now seems to be up to four but the article only lists three. This seems quite a remarkable death toll for a sporting event but the article's lead doesn't mention it nor does our blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as there is no race summary text, and very little text at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Imran Khan loses no-confidence motion

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Articles: 2022 Pakistani constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag) and No-confidence motion against Imran Khan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, Prime Minister Imran Khan loses no-confidence vote after the Supreme Court decision on the constitutional crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Pakistan, Prime Minister Imran Khan is removed from office after losing a motion of no-confidence.
News source(s): Geo, Al Jazeera, AP, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Apologies for the article as no standalone news articles were available at the time of posting. DogeChungus (talk) 20:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is the first successful no confidence motion in Pakistani history against a Prime Minister, and as Pakistan is such a large country, this is definitely newsworthy. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 20:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Fifth most populated country in the world, first event of its kind in the country, likely to have long-term implications on the future of South Asia, will probably result in a new Prime Minister taking power sometime soon, in short, basically all the arguments presented by the good people above. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 21:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment When will this discussion be closed, it is a clear support vote. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 01:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Can the discussion be closed? It is a major event and should be updated. It is all over the news as well.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] ⭐ Ahmer Jamil Khan 💬 03:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein: Please consider putting "ending a constitutional crisis" at the end of this blurb and shortening the controversial posting of the 'Protests in Peru' blurb instead. Also consider replacing the current picture with one of Imran Khan's. Hindustani.Hulk (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That wasn't part of the blurb proposed above. Blurbs should be concise. Whether this ends the ongoing crisis is OR. The Peru blurb can be discussed in its section below. Sandstein 16:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. -- Sca (talk) 17:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Pakistan parliament ousts Imran Khan in last-minute vote". the Guardian. 2022-04-09. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  2. ^ "Imran Khan ousted as Pakistan's PM after key vote". BBC News. 2022-04-10. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  3. ^ "IMRAN SHOWN THE DOOR". www.thenews.com.pk. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  4. ^ "Imran Khan becomes first PM to be ousted via no-trust vote". The Express Tribune. 2022-04-09. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  5. ^ Chaudhry, Dawn com | Fahad (2022-04-09). "Imran Khan loses no-trust vote, prime ministerial term comes to unceremonious end". DAWN.COM. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  6. ^ Agencies. "Pakistan PM Imran Khan ousted in a no-confidence vote in parliament". Khaleej Times. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  7. ^ "Pakistan PM Imran Khan gone after losing no-confidence vote". www.aljazeera.com. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  8. ^ "Imran Khan's unceremonious exit as Pak PM: A timeline of events". Hindustan Times. 2022-04-10. Retrieved 2022-04-10.
  9. ^ "Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan loses trust vote in National Assembly". The Hindu. PTI. 2022-04-10. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2022-04-10.

(Closed) Ongoing removal: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Re-closing. Consenus is against Ongoing removal. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Consensus is clearly against removal from ongoing. While nominator’s argumentation is spot on and deserves attention, the problem appears to lie in the posting of individual stories related to the main event. I think the talk page is better suited for a serious discussion to see how far we can go in simultaneously posting blurbs for events which are part of a greater story already posted to ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Since we're already posting every incremental instance of media hysteria about this story as a blurb, the ongoing item is superfluous. One or the other, not both. When admins stop !vote counting and posting Russia blurbs based on pile-on WP:WGR supports we can put it back in OG. Serious nomination, I honestly think it's pointless to have both an endless parade of blurbs AND ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC) LaserLegs (talk) 16:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I disagree that anything is being posted based on "media hysteria". As far as I have seen, all the instances of war crimes have been reported fairly and sensibly, at least by the British press. And I'm not sure how you distinguish between valid !votes and "pile-on" !votes. If that's obvious to you, you should make that clear at the time? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We should stop the 'endless parade' of blurbs, but we should in turn keep this as ongoing until a peace agreement can be arranged. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 16:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Out of the question. No. 1 continuing story worldwide, at this pt. overshadowing even the (subsiding?) pandemic. – Sca (talk) 16:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • While I agree with the position that removal of the ongoing is basically BS, ITN's purpose is not to highlight stories that have massive coverage in worldwide news (ITN is not a news ticker, nor is WP a newspaper). We are looking to post articles that reflect the best quality we can do that happen to be in the news, along with a subjective view to avoid certain biases (eg excessive US politics, for example). We have to keep that in mind here for stories out of the Russia-Ukraine war too, given we have Ongoing already present. Just because this one attack killed 50+ and injures 300+ doesn't outweigh that hundreds of Ukrainians have already died before, for example. --Masem (t) 17:10, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This strikes me as an incredibly bad-faith proposal. How about rather than diminishing the deaths of innocent civilians as an "incremental instance of media hysteria" and snidely accusing editors of basically being woke keyboard warriors by attempting to link to WP:RGW(but instead linking to Wikipedia:Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars) you try and assume good faith and consider what ITN is for. It's called "In the news" for a reason. According to the opening paragraph at WP:ITN, ITN "serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." Of course you seem to think ITN is for pathetic celebrity trivia such as Will Smith being banned from the Oscars. I literally cannot fathom how utterly insulated from reality you must be to think that nugget of celebrity gossip is more relevant to the frontpage of a global encyclopedia than a nuclear-armed UNSC member blowing up children. AusLondonder (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    well said! _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We declined to blurb (and failed to nominate) countless very important events during the pandemic with the understanding that Ongoing covered them. Never in this did we suggest these events were trivial, only that we expect a great many important things to happen within the context of the COVID. So too should it be with Russia. The removal of anyone from a human rights body that includes *CHINA* is laughable under normal circumstances, but absurd here. But there it sits, mocking anyone who cares about the credibility this project. True, the solution is to stop blurbing, not remove the ongoing. LL has a long history of making pointy suggestions here out of frustration, but they do so with good intent. It's the exact opposite of bad faith. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, good faith, perhaps. Every knows "nuclear weapons = good human rights", no? That's the inescapable absurdity. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"LL has a long history of making pointy suggestions here out of frustration" that's a really interesting way of saying they're wasting our time and sounds to me a lot like the literal definition of bad faith. Regarding trivialising the situation I'll let the words of LaserLegs speak for themselves: "incremental instance of media hysteria" when we're discussing posting a couple of lines about a brutal bombing of civilians fleeing war. Please don't insult us by talking about "mocking anyone who cares about the credibility this project" when LaserLegs was here arguing for us to become the Daily Mail and post puerile celebrity bullshit on our main page *literally yesterday* AusLondonder (talk) 18:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Post close note: no nominator's argumentation is not "spot on" at all. You might want to re-write the close rationale in a way that reflects all the comments. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The argumentation that we shouldn’t post a blurb and an ongoing item for a story at the same time deserves attention but not here and not in this way. That the removal from ongoing is unanimously opposed and the discussion should end immediately is clear. The closing rationale reflects both.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    ... "incremental instance of media hysteria"? No. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That particular comment, albeit not in the spirit of good faith, doesn’t affect nominator’s right to raise a concern. The problem is that it was done in the wrong place where the majority was able to dismiss it by completely ignoring it. That said, it’s very natural to close the discussion and guide the nominator to a better suited place for his concern.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not disputing the right raise a concern. And yes, I agree it's the wrong place to do it. But I will not accept that current posting of items has anything to with a reaction to "media hysteria". The opening sentence of this nomination, i.e. the entire premise, is not "spot on". Sorry, no. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kiril Simeonovski, that was a bad closing statement. Keep it neutral. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Dwayne Haskins

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Article: Dwayne Haskins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tragic early death - article is well-sourced — Chevvin 15:41, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone else fixed it before I could get to it. — Chevvin 21:42, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 AFL Women's Grand Final

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No consensus to post. --Tone 15:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 AFL Women's Grand Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Adelaide wins the 2022 AFL Women's Grand Final (Post)
News source(s): The Age
Credits:

Article updated
 Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article is in good shape. Fully referenced. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not sexism, it's based on the amount of coverage. The men's and women's competitions are separate events not run at the same time, so should not be considered the same. There is barely any coverage of the women's AFL compared to the men's one, and not enough to demonstrate that it should be on the front page of ITN. This is an application of ITN rules on importance, not an application of deliberate sexism like you claim. Go complain to the world's newspaper companies that they didn't cover this as well as the men's event, because that's the reason why it's not being supported for posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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April 8

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April 8, 2022 (2022-04-08) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Chibuzor Nwakanma

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Article: Chibuzor Nwakanma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph (India)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian footballer. Article is a bit on the shorter side, but, meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Rater.js says C-class, but, I think it is atleast a start-class biography. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Long enough with 400+ words. Footnotes appearing where they are expected. Formatting looks right. This wikibio is READY for RD. If possible, please fill in the empty stats slots in the infobox. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 22:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this one. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Need some guidance. Hi all, I know this is perhaps the wrong avenue, but, there is an IP editor who has been adding unreferenced changes (particularly to year of birth). Details here. I think one of us (either me or they) might be in violation of the WP:3RR if we make the next edit. I would ideally take this to the talk page. But introducing unreferenced changes (and that too into an article on the homepage) is a red flag and I would stop that asap. Appreciate some help / inputs. Ktin (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mimi Reinhardt

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Article: Mimi Reinhardt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oskar Schindler's secretary – Muboshgu (talk) 22:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments: In the section on "Early years", only the first sentence is referenced. In the section on "Oskar Schindler", everything is sourced to the same source. Can we have more footnotes and references, please? --PFHLai (talk) 10:38, 13 April 2022 (UTC) Thanks to Kusma who has added new footnotes to the wikipage, footnoting is now adequate footnotes (AGF on non-English refs). Green tickY Length (400+ words) Green tickY Formatting Green tickY. This wikibio is now READY for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 11:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 11:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Will Smith banned from attending Oscars

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SNOW close. SpencerT•C 02:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Academy Awards (talk · history · tag) and Will Smith (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Actor Will Smith is banned from attending the Academy Awards for ten years after slapping and verbally harassing comedian Chris Rock during the 94th Academy Awards. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Outcome of a notable event that was very much in the news. Andise1 (talk) 23:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Kramatorsk railway station attack

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Article: Kramatorsk railway station attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia launches a missile strike on a railway station in Kramatorsk, Ukraine, killing at least 50 civilians and injuring at least 300. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, AP, Reuters, France24 (AFP)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know the invasion is already in ongoing, but this bombing is global front-page news due to the number of civilians dead. We posted the Bucha massacre which killed 320 civilians, so not to be morbid but I wonder what number we should use as WP:MINIMUMCIVILIANDEATHS. Davey2116 (talk) 18:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Unlike the massacre from last weekend which was vastly unusual for a war, this is what is expected of war activities, and thus covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 20:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This massacre of civilians at a train station who were fleeing the invasion is clearly a war crime and easily important enough to post. It's far from normal military combat. The article is easily good enough to post. If an attack by a VNSA group or a rampage killer had a similar death toll, we'd have posted it within a few hours of the article being created. Likewise an earthquake, flood, gas/chemical/radiological leak, accidental explosion or transportation disaster. Jim Michael (talk) 21:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. The war is linked in ongoing. I am sorry to say it but this is pretty par for the course when we are talking about Russian war crimes and we can't post them all. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A mindless and indiscriminate war crime against civilians. Both sides say Tochka-U missiles were used. Possibly with cluster munitions warheads. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Apparently another horrific war event, [20] [21] [22] [23], but Russ contend they had nothing to do with it. Story seems still to be developing. – Sca (talk) 22:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Sca: If Russia had nothing to do with it, doesn't that make it more newsworthy? It would not then be covered by the ongoing matter. BD2412 T 22:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Pro Russian media outlets and several Telegram channels reported earlier in the day that Russia had launched a successful missile attack on "Ukrainian forces" at the Kramatorsk station. When it became apparent that the attack killed a large number of civilians instead, the announcements were allegedly removed, and Russia started calling the attack a hoax" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • (edit conflict) Russia first claimed that they had launched a missile towards military targets in Kramatorsk, but subsequently about-faced in an attempt to deny responsibility. ([24]: Some initial reports on Russia state media said the missile fired at Kramatorsk hit a military transport target. Subsequently Moscow denied responsibility for the strike. It then blamed Ukrainian forces.) If [25] is a reliable source, then this is even more silly than it sounds. I mean, in the long list of denials of war crimes by people who committed them, this must be one of the least credible. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think we should post every war crime Russia commits in ITN, unless they are so outrageous and unusual that they spark some real actions (at least by mass expulsions of diplomats, which don't mean much in practical terms but are at least more than "deep concern" and "condemnation"), as was the case for the Bucha massacre. Saying that some war crime is "run-of-the-mill" is probably inappropriate in general, but I wouldn't say that this particular incident would be something that would be seen as something "extraordinary". Besides, with all due respect to the heightened interest in my fatherland, we should probably limit the number of Ukraine-war related ITN items to these: major military victories (fall of Mariupol/breaking its siege, capture/liberation of really major cities, (God forbid) attack on yet another country or probably wholesale retreat from northern Ukraine, which I would find good enough for ITN but is a little stale at this point), major diplomatic actions that carry real consequences for the war (suspension from decisionmaking bodies carrying substantial power, such as the UN in general or its Security Council in particular, announcement of meaningful ceasefire/truce, beginning of trials of Russian officials responsible for war crimes in the ICC/ICJ, total economic blockade or at least in the oil/gas sector etc.) and some particularly heinous war crimes. Other stuff happens in most, if not all, wars with active military combat, thus it is covered by the ongoing event listing. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 23:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we have this in ongoing already. We shouldn't have posted the last thing we did, or the UN thing, we certainly shouldn't post this. Enough already, it's in ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to explain why this doesn't need a separate blurb: Russia isn't going to admit deliberately targeting civilians, and Ukraine will never consider it anything other than deliberate. All we know for certain is that the train station was bombed. It's not going to change the outcome of the war one way or the other, it's not pulling NATO in, it's not galvanizing the Russian people for or against Putin - in short it's an utterly insignificant tragedy in the middle of a tragic war which is already posted in ongoing. If so many news outlets had not been in precisely the right place at precisely the right time in a whole huge country with thousands of kilometers of battle front to witness this event it wouldn't be getting the attention it's getting with Jake Tapper shrieking about "genocide". This is what makes it media hysteria adequately covered by the ongoing item. The supports have done nothing to highlight the significance of this event as it would impact the course of the war. Yes, if this had been a terrorist attack in wherever we would blurb it - if the terrorist attacks in wherever weren't already parked in ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If this many people were killed in a terrorist attack - or even a hurricane - it would be on ITN already. The fact that it is happening in Ukraine should not be used as a reason to make an exception. BilledMammal (talk) 03:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Missile hit on fleeing civilians to the loss of 50+ people. Single significant tragedy in and of itself. CoatCheck (talk) 03:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ongoing is for lower-level things, individual events (such at 50+ people dying in a brutal attack by Russia) is notable enough for ITN. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 05:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support On the basis that it's a significant tragedy in isolation, but to address the "ongoing" points - I keep seeing them and it's just gotten tiring. In my opinion, ongoing is utterly useless at helping readers find a specific story - but to focus on this case... Ongoing links to a full recap post of the 2022 invasion - it has its place, and is important to have, but finding the latest developments? Did a ctrl+f in the ongoing target article, and the only result for "Kramatorsk" was unrelated to this attack - the link to this article is buried in a collapsed box, which only lists the name of the city alongside dozens of others without much context for why it's listed there. How can readers clicking that ongoing be expected to find any info on this within a reasonable amount of time? It is useful as a hub that connects to other articles, which connect to other articles, and for providing a relatively brief recap of the macro-level machinations that have brought the situation to where it is. However, it is not enough to just assume anyone who is unaware of this attack could find this information, nor a good way for people aware of the attack to find information on it. "See ongoing" can be useful, and we obviously don't want to flood ITN with stories from one specific war - I'm relatively still new to Wikipedia, and even I am not confident in navigating the absolute wall of text that target article is. Canadianerk (talk) 05:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A lot of oppose arguments here don't make a lot of sense. This is clearly in the news in a significant way, has attracted international attention and coverage, and is not a routine event. The argument that "It's in ongoing" is unhelpful. The main article is enormous and barely addresses this attack. I completely concur with what BilledMammal said. A natural disaster or terrorist attack on this scale would be posted without question. The fact the attack was perpetrated by Russia on a peaceful neighbour makes it even more ITN worthy, not less. AusLondonder (talk) 06:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I wonder what’s the purpose of the ongoing item if we single out every single attack in the invasion. No matter how much is this in the news, the sticky’s purpose is to contain this. I was against posting the Bucha massacre as well, and I knew it’d make a precedent for posting single events. There are many other deadly attacks which made the news in the past weeks, but we didn’t even consider them for posting. The sticky is fine, live with it, ITN shouldn’t become a Russia-Ukraine news-ticker.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If we posted "every single attack" that the Russians had launched against Ukraine, they'd certainly be no room for any other news items. And I suspect ITN would need to cover not just the whole of the Main page, but several thousands of pages thereafter. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There are currently two stories directly pertaining to Russia and resulting from the invasion in the ITN box: the invasion sticky and the blurb on the suspension from UNHRC. If we post this, then exactly a half of all stories (four blurbs and two stickies) would relate to the invasion. We denied every single story related to the COVID-19 pandemic as a global event, which was tons of times more important than this invasion, just because it was posted to ongoing, so there’s absolutely no room to make any exception and navel-gaze on Russia. In sum, a resounding no from me.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it may be difficult to quantify how many tons of times that might have been. There may be a structural problem with the existing posting policy for ITN. I don't see the reporting of hideous war crimes as "navel-gazing" on any level. You have made your view on this very clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it's the number one news story in the world right now. We frequently post terrorist attacks with similar death tolls. Worthy of inclusion despite the war being on ongoing. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - number one story everywhere. Definitely for ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 10:46, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant enough to override the fact that we have the invasion in Ongoing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Saturday's coverage (and consensus 2:1 in favor here) convinces me this attack on civilians, killing 50+, rises to ITN significance level. [26] [27] [28] [29] – Sca (talk) 13:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ITN is not a Russia-Ukraine War news-ticker (as it wasn't for COVID-19 either) and this is already covered by ongoing, despite what is being claimed here ongoing is not for forward linking every major update but an acknowledgement of constantly developing news stories which are receiving top coverage all over (likewise with the pandemic). Excluding exceptional noms, e.g. the Bucha massacre, coverage for this should not be expanded at ITN (we have already posted more blurbs about this than we ever did for the pandemic). Gotitbro (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Heavy coverage in the media and headlines. It holds a significant death toll; constituting a relatively unusual level of mass casualties contrasted to most fatal events in 21st-century Europe. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 14:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tragic and needless suffering, but Wikipedia is not there to WP:RGW, and ITN is not supposed to be a news ticker for events which happen every other day (and given that this comes just days after the previous war crime, that seems an apt if distressing definition of this). Additional concerns about balance of the ITN coverage, as others have expressed: this is Wikipedia, not Russian-invasion-of-Ukraina-pedia. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the heedless, lethal violence against civilians trying to flee that raises this to major significance. You may say "that's war," and it certainly was in WWII, but since then int'l. law ostensibly made such militarily unnecessary attacks on civilians illegal. -- Sca (talk) 17:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And yet this is the second time in the past week that this kind of horrific and illegal event makes it into worldwide news. We can't include everything which gets in the news, we need to have some balancing criteria, and frankly, between the previous 300+ casualty event, the UNHRC resolution, and this, this seems the least significant (however unfortunate) of those. War is war. Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Sadly, not something we can do anything about, but given this is already covered by ongoing, doesn't seem necessary to overload the ITN section with stuff related to it. Think that Category:War crimes during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine kinda illustrates the point how, unfortunately, this is "happening every other day". RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly. The ongoing line was exactly created to avoid spamming ITN with headlines on the same topic over a short timeframe. If we're going to post any blurb about the war, it needs to rise beyond a stardard war type action. --Masem (t) 17:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In the big picture, the UNHRC expulsion might be more telling politically, but none of the above persuades this user (retired journalist) that ITN -- probably the most-read fixture on the main page -- should ignore an event of such high mortality and putative villainy. -- Sca (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not about popularity/readership of stories, that's a function of a newspaper but not an encyclopedia. We're also amoral so we cannot let emotionally charged stories alter our views of what we put into the blurbs (which is often a problem with RD blurbs). We're trying to focus on quality articles that happen to be in the news and we purposely created ongoing for a situation like the Russia-Ukraine war to avoid spamming the box. --Masem (t) 17:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not talking about 'readership,' talking about significance. -- Sca (talk) 17:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly, something that happens so frequently it practically doesn't get out of the news cycle isn't significant enough to start posting every instance of it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So, you're saying the violent deaths of men, women and children in an unprovoked war of aggression are no more significant than deaths from hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, etc.? Sca (talk) 12:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We are here to write an encyclopedia (and showcase it's good articles), not express moral outrage over the recent events. And, unfortunately, since they have been happening every day for the past month and a half, and since this is the least significant of the recent news items about this, yes, this isn't significant enough on its own to justify a blurb separate from the ongoing. I'll remind you we didn't post a single blurb for COVID (which killed millions) once it was in the "ongoing" section. WP:BIAS is also something to consider: Ukraine is not the only place where things happen in the world. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The pandemic is not a result of human volition, but an act of nature. The war is due to human decisions -- an example of humankind's inhumanity to humankind. -- Sca (talk) 17:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, and? We are not Russian-invasion-of-Ukraine-pedia; no matter how inhuman (or rather, but disappointingly, very horribly human) the events may be. Not every event which happens there is ITN-worthy, even if it gets reported across many news outlets. We have the ongoing section for a reason. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:02, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Mass killing of civilians and this attack is receiving worldwide condemnation. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – After 24 hours, 13-7 in favor of posting. Marked "attn." – Sca (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not only supposed to be a WP:VOTE, consensus is still developing. Gotitbro (talk) 03:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't say or mean to imply that posting should be based merely on vote-counting. IMO, it's the volume of user comments and the length of time this nom. has been extant here that combine to merit admin. attn. That, and the widespread RS coverage. -- Sca (talk) 12:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per RandomCanadian. This attack is part of the ongoing war. I worry if another equal or worse attack occurred today, then we would have three Russia related news items as well as the war under ongoing. We cannot cover every major atrocity of the war on ITN. Thriley (talk) 20:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose' On Ongoing already. SpencerT•C 20:59, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per RandomCanadian. Already in ongoing.--Tdl1060 (talk) 05:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per RandomCanadian. Suggest close as consensus is unlikely to develop. --WaltCip-(talk) 14:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is clearly in the news in a significant way, Heavy coverage in the media and headlines. Alex-h (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Incremental updates to battle results are not necessary when there is already an ongoing link. That's why it is in ongoing. --Jayron32 12:29, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose To avoid the feed being overwhelmed by Ukraine news we probably need to keep events posted here to the standard of being fairly unique which isn't really the case for missile attacks on the civilian population.--Llewee (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest close Clearly consensus to post is not going to develop. It's time to move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    On to 10,000 dead in Mariupol? [30] [31] -- Sca (talk) 13:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Oppose per RandomCanadian. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Already covered by ongoing. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't think anyone believes this should go onto ITN because we want to right great wrongs; I'd believe that this far more important than Russia quitting some random UN committee that nobody has heard about/cares about. If we really want to get stingy about that one blurb, an admin could always just boot it off and put this on there. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 13:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And just so we're clear, the "random UN committee" bit was sarcasm. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 13:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ... not because it wasn't newsworthy, but it's gone pretty stale. Sca (talk) 17:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Regrettably, yes. But those 57 people (at least 5 of whom were children) are still dead and those 109 people are still wounded. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If only... -- Sca (talk) 19:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HD1 (galaxy)

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Article: HD1 (galaxy) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ HD1, the farthest known purported galaxy, is discovered 13.5 billion light-years away from Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ HD1, the most distant purported galaxy, is discovered 13.5 billion light-years away from Earth.
Alternative blurb II: ​ HD1, the earliest purported galaxy, located just 330 million years after the Big Bang, is discovered.
Alternative blurb III: ​ HD1, the most distant and earliest purported galaxy, located just 330 million years after the Big Bang, is discovered.
News source(s): The Harvard Gazette
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Notable scientific discovery. Sherenk1 (talk) 17:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ BBC News Staff (10 April 2022). "Astronomers spot oldest and most distant galaxy, new study claims". BBC News. Retrieved 10 April 2022.
  2. ^ Overbye, Dennis (7 April 2022). "Astronomers Find What Might Be the Most Distant Galaxy Yet – Is the object a galaxy of primordial stars or a black hole knocking on the door of time? The Webb space telescope may help answer that question". The New York Times. Retrieved 10 April 2022.
  3. ^ Carter, Jamie (7 April 2022). "Meet HD1, The New Most Distant Galaxy Found 13.5 Billion Years Back In Time And Close To The 'Big Bang'". Forbes News. Retrieved 10 April 2022.

April 7

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April 7, 2022 (2022-04-07) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

  • It is announced that over 5,000 new species of previously undiscovered RNA viruses were found in ocean-living organisms and proposed to group them into five new phyla, according to a paper published in Science. (The Independent)

New leadership in Yemen

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Articles: Rashad al-Alimi (talk · history · tag) and Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rashad al-Alimi becomes the new leader of Yemen as chairman of the Presidential Leadership Council. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President of Yemen Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi resigns and appoints Rashad al-Alimi as chairman of the new Presidential Leadership Council.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Surprising change in the internationally recognized leadership of the Republic of Yemen. The two linked articles need work, but in the case of al-Alimi's I don't think much more can be added as content. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I'm iffy on the application of ITNR here. The PLC is essentially a government-in-exile; the extent to which it "controls" anything in Yemen is as a the pretense of a foreign expedition. In any case, the article requires significant expansion. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:25, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hellmuth Matiasek

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Article: Hellmuth Matiasek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/nachruf-auf-hellmuth-matiasek-der-kluge-praktiker-17949591.html FAZ]
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Nominator's comments: Theatre director, manager, head of drama schools, librettist - article was mostly there. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mass of W boson

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Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. It seems too early to conclude that this measurement has changed the Standard Model.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: W and Z bosons (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A measurement of the mass of the W boson is inconsistent with the Standard Model. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, ABC Australia, Nature,
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Nominator's comments: According to professors, the most major discrepancy in the Standard Model so far. Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Fujiko A. Fujio

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Article: Fujiko Fujio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post Nikkei Asia France 24
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Nominator's comments: Part of a duo who created Doraemon, among other works, the character is recognized as a very well known cultural icon. Fujiko A. Fujio is the pen name of Motoo Abiko. Ornithoptera (talk) 10:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Russia Suspended, Quits UN Human Rights Council

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  • Comment. With half the countries abstaining, removal from the Security Council is out of the question. This is the first time a permanent member of the Security Council was ever removed from any UN body. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The United Nations Human Rights Council also has sections with lots of citation needed tags too. Whereas Eleventh emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly is more than good enough at explaining this, as it covers the entire timeline of issues around it, which the general article does not (it has one paragraph). Joseph2302 (talk) 14:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but which blurb links to Eleventh emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly? Am I blind? -- Sca (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Getting articles mixed up, sorry. Maybe we should be linking Eleventh emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly, but linking to United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/3 is better than the general article in ALT0 and 1. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FTR I note that another admin undid the linking per a discussion at ERRORS. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks, Ad Orientem. I was out yesterday, but learned about WP:SEAOFBLUE and overlinking. -SusanLesch (talk) 11:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ketanji Brown Jackson

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Comment on global perspective: I very much want ITN to be a global venue, but to say that this isn't significant enough to post makes us basically a parody of ourselves. Much of the opposition so far (e.g. Template:Tq) evidence a fundamental lack of understanding of American politics. Most countries' supreme courts are not nearly as powerful as the U.S. Supreme Court, which heads the entire third branch of its government, so it's not an analogous situation. And most don't appoint judges to lifetime tenure. Further, we need to cure ourselves of this idea that to be global, we need to treat all countries, no matter how big or small, identically. A major political development in the U.S. is fundamentally more newsworthy than a major political development in Liechtenstein. That isn't because we're giving any special treatment to the U.S.—it's because the U.S. has 329 million people whereas Liechtenstein has 0.04 million. We should treat countries equitably, not equally. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a sampling of publications of record from around the world, all of which currently have the Jackson nomination on their front page in the local edition: Le Monde, Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Asahi Shinbun, South China Morning Post, The Hindu, etc. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
China and India combined contain 36% of global population. The United States contains about 4% of global population. Would an “equitable” ITN reflect these numbers? Thriley (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so 4% of ITN would be news related to the United States? If so, this news item wouldn’t make it in my opinion. Thriley (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd have to disagree. Just because the United States has 4 percent of the world's population doesn't water down the fact that it has a massive influence on the world as a whole. We, instead of pointing to a number and immediately changing ITN policy because of it, should instead take each submission on a case by case basis. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • of course, this also keeps the court at a 6-3 conservative/liberal split and hence means little to the overall issues widely known with SCOTUS (eg shadow dockets) until that ratio changes. Status quo remains, outside the first for racial/gender equity. This is not like RBG dying with Trump in position to move a 5-4 to 6-3. --Masem (t) 20:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is in a high-quality state, news outlets are providing an adequate level of coverage to indicate newsworthiness. --Jayron32 18:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is good (and semi protected). Definitely notable for American history. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If Jackson’s race is the reason for this to appear on ITN, then it should be mentioned. Otherwise, this is a uneventful news story that does not fundamentally change anything. Thriley (talk) 18:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - ready for posting. Notable in American history.BabbaQ (talk) 18:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose when the election of members of the Supreme Courts becomes ITNR we will talk about this. For now it’s another American joke. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:U, (a) typically something like a SCOTUS nomination would get support at ITN before getting an ITNR nomination, (2) these "anti-nationalist" comments, best term I can come up with, are not helpful for discussion in any way. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as a routine vote. Members of supreme courts around the world are being voted all the time. We don’t need a precedent for this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We wouldn't post a judge joining the Supreme Court of any other country. Only notable aspect is that she is the first black woman on the court; but let's put it another way: would we post the first time a Muslim was added to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom? NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose does not change the ideological status quo, and we routine don't post such confirmations from elsewhere. Being the first African American female justice can be a DYK. --Masem (t) 19:00, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Historic nomination that is receiving widespread coverage.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think we should lean towards rewarding good articles that are wholly created (rather than merely updated) to reflect recent events, as this supports the intent of ITN. But I the significance here fails to cross even a lowered threshold. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's an extremely editor-centric perspective. Current events articles would still be written and updated even if ITN ceased tomorrow, so that's not a very strong raison d'être. The value of ITN is that it makes it easier for readers to find content that will be of strong interest to them. And there are a lot of readers right now who are interested in this news. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You are mistaken. While the main page is organized in such a way as to facilitate certain benefit to readers, its raison d'être is to promote improvements to the mainspace. This is in no way editor-centric, by the way. Readers benefit. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - First X in Y is a tired argument. - Floydian τ ¢ 19:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose the ideological balance of the court stays the same, so it comes down to just the first person of a demographic to be appointed some internal post, so no. Bumbubookworm (talk) 19:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this is groundbreaking news, it is truly a historical moment. Netherzone (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposeideological balanceis is not changed. Shadow4dark (talk) 19:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Historic from an American perspective, and great for her and the nation as a whole, but not entirely unprecedented or groundbreaking on a global stage. NorthernFalcon and Kiril Simeonovski put it quite well already. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support given that she is going to be a historic addition to the court, and this story has global RS coverage and is of particular interest to many readers. However, I would alternatively support a standard of posting an item only if there is a change in the ideological balance of the court. This would retrospectively justify posting the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg as a blurb rather than RD. The only other confirmation since Clarence Thomas in 1991 that would be debatable is Brett Kavanaugh in 2018, since he replaced the swing vote on an arguably 4-4-1 court to solidify a 5-4 conservative majority, which has obviously had a large (detrimental) impact on many issues affecting millions of people. Davey2116 (talk) 21:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose More appropriate for 2022 in the United States. Do we post things on ITN about judges getting appointed to the Supreme Courts of other countries (Canada, France, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc...)?Canuck89 (Converse with me) 22:05, April 7, 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. We don't normally post supreme court appointments, and I see no justification for posting this. BilledMammal (talk) 22:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, one change to a court of one nation that doesn't affect ideological balance is not exactly earth shattering. Kafoxe (talk) 22:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article is in good shape and this is in the news internationally. -- Tavix (talk) 22:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - it's in the news (globally not just in the US) and article quality is sufficient. Levivich 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - It's really just a case of a judge being promoted, it's a domestic matter that has no significance globally in the grand scheme of things. If I didnt turn to American media, I wouldn't really hear much about it. 4iamking (talk) 23:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While historic indeed, it's only historic in the U.S. therefore it's domestic news not global news. Can't really see her confirmation having any global ramifications/impact and therefore not global news worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We almost never post domestic political events below the level of national elections because every country has their own version of something like this and we can't post them all. This isn't saying the event lacks significance. It is saying that the significance outside the borders of one country is pretty limited and we would almost certainly quickly decline any nomination of a similar nature from any other country. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While historic in the United States, and thrilling on that basis, I don't think it reaches a level of global significance as a domestic political event. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 00:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Tadao Takahashi

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RD: David McKee

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First known dinosaur fossil from K-T extinction

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(Closed) Päivi Räsänen

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  • Comment - My instinct is to oppose on whether this is a notable enough news event to qualify, but I feel like I probably do not know enough about how much coverage this got in Finland to make that judgement. Anyone more familiar have any thoughts on this? 82.15.196.46 (talk) 15:00, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Google News lists many different Finnish language sources in the last six days, including major outlets.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Earlier, Räsänen was the Minister of the Interior, a department which includes the administration of the state church. This was an element of her trial, because she had made public statements with the intention of swaying the state church away from the path which it later took. Räsänen is not part of the current government, yet since the start of this year her Finnish language Wikipedia article has higher peaks than the article for the current Prime Minister of Finland, and about half the total number of views as the current Prime Minister.
As for the relationship with larger world events, her trial attracted protests and commentary in Hungary over the previous months. The blurb about Fidesz relates to this in that the elements in Hungary which supported Räsänen could be assumed to side with Fidesz as opposed to the opposition. In addition part of the trial concerned her prosecution for things she stated before the Finnish government and state church adopted its current positions on homosexuality. Had the trial gone the other way, Fidesz lost, and the opposition enacted similar legislation to Finland's, Räsänen's conviction would have set a precedent to prosecute current high profile Fidesz elected leaders. Concern about the sort of precedent this would set in foreign countries was cited by critics.
The article describes public advocacy, some rather strongly worded, by representatives of 45 Lutheran church bodies, five senators, and ten U.S. academics. This sort of foreign interest is especially because the trial has implications for how foreign nations will balance the various rights. Had the verdict gone the other way, it would encourage similar prosecutions elsewhere. Other aspects of the trial included the prosecutions' formal demand for sentences against the bishop of a small Lutheran church body in Finland, the censorship and fine of an organization related to the denomination, and the censorship of portions of a show from a well known host on YLE, a major public media outlet.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Its still not going to change how any major government is going to be run or have any landmark change in laws or policies. Its not the type of story that works well on ITN due to how narrow it is. --Masem (t) 00:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote the blurb earlier but did not submit it because the prosecution said there was a high probability of appeal. In Finland the prosecution can appeal too. Today is the earliest I can say that it won't be appealed to reverse the ruling. It is still within the 14 days for ITN.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
14 days is a rough estimate. Blurbs are posted in (fairly) strict chronological order, and bumped off the bottom when the list becomes too long. The date in the article related to the blurb is March 30. That would place it under the Orban blurb (indeed, also under several other blurbs that have also since rolled off), and as such, would never make the main page. Even if it were otherwise okay. --Jayron32 17:09, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why not date it to April 6 as this altblurb: "The prosecution does not contest Päivi Räsänen's acquittal of homophobic hate speech charges."? (Added in just now)--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Her trial and/or charges were covered by BBC, Reuters, MSN, The Hill, Washington Post, The Spectator, FOX News, Newsweek, National Review, and U.S. News & World Report. I agree that she was never a world leader. What is especially significant in this story are the decisions of the prosecution.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose Older than the current oldest blurb on ITN from 3 April. The acquital would be the major story, not the alt blurb of the prosecution not contesting.—Bagumba (talk) 17:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If I had written the blurb for March 30, I could have gotten a procedural oppose on the basis that District Court isn't very high up in the Finnish judicial system, and that the prosecution plans to appeal.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Her career besides as a minister: on the Riihimäki City Council since 1993, Finnish Parliament member since 1995, an MP, and former chair of the Christian Democrats. Having been on the parliament for 27 years makes her higher in profile than most MPs. I agree to any changes to the blurbs to clarify what her position or positions is or were.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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On second thought, I suggest a Wikiwide ban on any and all mention of Russian politicians named Vladimir – there are too many of them.
– Sca (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC) [reply]
There are now as many Vladimirs in the Duma as there are Mikes in your House (13). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support One of the most notable figures in post-Soviet Russian politics. An RD (or even maybe a blurb) would be highly recommended. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Siege of Moura

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Oppose Definitely not noteworthy enough, especially as Imran Khan was just ousted. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 01:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Um, what does Khan have to do with this nom? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping per above. What does Khan have to do with this nomination? Just because x thing is happening doesn't make y thing any less notable. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 02:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned above, Imran Khan’s removal from office does not reduce the notability of this event.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 04:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Someone just got a bit too excited :) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Noteworthy event, appears to be newer than oldest ITN item in terms of death toll count from HRW. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 03:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support On par with the atrocities in Ukraine. Certainly notable enough for an ITN. PenangLion (talk) 09:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Ellis (baseball)

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(Posted) RD: Bjarni Tryggvason

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(Posted) RD: Graciela Giannettasio

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(Posted) RD: Nehemiah Persoff

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*Weak oppose Good work on citing the filmography and career sections, however I feel that lead is pretty short as it doesn't even mention notable roles as most actor's wiki leads have. Support Good work! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 Salvadoran gang crackdown

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(Posted) RD: Bobby Rydell

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(Posted) RD: Patricia MacLachlan

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And Template:U (sorry I overlooked!) Innisfree987 (talk) 23:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted, Attention Needed) 2022 Peruvian protests

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Template:ITN candidate Template:Collapse top Just as an addendum: France24 is probably not a very valid source, as it's state-owned government media that is entirely under the control of the French government for the purpose of exporting soft power. Ergo, any claim they make must be examined with additional scrutiny. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 07:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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*Oppose -- at least for now. Propose new blurb if protests continue to grow. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Minister of Finance (Sri Lanka)

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  • Oppose we don't usually post the resignation of Government/Cabinet Ministers (unless they're the Head of State, which Sabry isn't), as they aren't important enough for ITN. Especially since Sri Lanka has had 3 Finance Ministers in the last year, and 5 in the last 5 years, and Sabry had the role for 1 day before quitting. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Eric Boehlert

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(Posted) RD: Joe Messina

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(Posted) RD: Donald Baechler

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(Posted) NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Championships

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Didn't we do something like abbreviate MVP and have both the term hyperlink and a mouse-over active as to help save wording space, relatively recently on a different sports blurb? --Masem (t) 04:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes MOP would be much better, as it's so long at the moment. Make it shorter, which makes it better. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Shrug. MOP get nixed last year for the expansion.[34] If its not the perennial Americans compaining about "Oxford win..." its Brits not knowing MVP (let alone MOP).—Bagumba (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter which abbreviation is used as long as its both consistent with the sport (MVP for this event) and that we give a means to quickly ID it with mouse-over text and hyperlink. --Masem (t) 12:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, mouse-over text doesn't work on mobile devices. Forcing those people to click through to an unrelated article isn't ideal. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, here was this year's WP:ERRORS' thread, which was a toss-up on using MOP or expanding it.—Bagumba (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD:Pamela Rooke

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(Posted) RD: June Brown

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Striking looks fairly decent now Support Josey Wales Parley 07:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IPCC AR6 WG3

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  • Oppose Part 1 we posted in August 2021. Part 2 was nominated in Feb 2022 but the article was not brought to spec and there was concern we had already posted the first part. The same concerns sit here. --Masem (t) 18:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we posted the first one, but don't need to post every other one too, especially when the news coverage is lower than the first one. Also, article quality is lacking as it's just a lost of bullet points. If it's that important, then I'd expect way more sourceable content to be added. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Basically,the first Part had already posted, but the article was not brought to spec. Alex-h (talk) 10:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Note that we have had problems with the Grammy ceremony getting updated to quality expected for posting in the past several years, compared to something like the most recent Oscars one. This one is currently also in a similar state that will need a lot more info on the ceremony itself. --Masem (t) 03:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The 2021 and 2020 nominations seemed to have been posted in decent time.—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I am just noting as I did in 2021 that getting updates to include the ceremony (and not just a listing of winners) has been a slow process to the point where including the Grammys as ITNR has been questioned but it has not been removed. We need that ceremony information before this can be posted. --Masem (t) 12:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just listings of results That complaint is used a lot on pages for elections and sporting events. After some review, I don't see how this or past Grammy pages are any different. At a minimum, shouldn't there be a few sentences of prose on the merits of the winners, at least for Best Record and Best Album?—Bagumba (talk) 08:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still think we shouldn't be posting this. No one gives a shit about the Grammy's and it's evident in the fact that the article never gets quality updates. --WaltCip-(talk) 12:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Needs prose on Best Album and Best Record besides "they won". Batiste's win was considered an upset. Bruno Mars of Silk Sonic has also won Best Record before.—Bagumba (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no prose describing winners; I'd think this is needed at minimum, especially for the major categories as Bagumba mentioned above me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Award articles like Oscars or Grammys rarely discuss the winners beyond the listing unless reliable sources make note of unusual conditions like major firsts or records. Not that there aren't any for this run of the Grammys but that's not been a required section. We still do need more about the ceremony itself before this can be posted. --Masem (t) 04:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. In ITN/R. The article seems fine to me, enough prose, including Category changes section. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lack of prose aside, the winners and presenters aren't even cited.—Bagumba (talk) 09:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Costa Rican general election

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(Posted) 2022 Serbian general election

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Yes, the aftermath needs clarification, otherwise the article looks fine. Tone 09:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support but what is important is that the SPS loses the majority in parliament. Yes, it did win the plurality of seats but that's not as important. I propose main blurb to remedy this. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 11:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Braganza (talk) 14:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Hungarian parliamentary election

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  • Oppose needs some refs on opposition primary, results tables need some kind of updating, and I can't remember if we wait for 100% vote check or accept the concessions. Either way, some updating still needed. Why do I never hear anything positive about Orbán? Kingsif (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Important headline that has already been confirmed by multiple global media outlets as a resounding victory in favour of Orban, so I think it would be appropriate to say he won the win as big. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 04:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality looks good enough. Of the 3 elections held yesterday and nominated here, this is the one that is getting the most coverage (albeit all 3 might get posted, as they're all ITNR). Joseph2302 (talk) 07:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. I moved the reference in the opposition primary, it covers the entire section now, so it's ok. --Tone 08:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lygia Fagundes Telles

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(Posted) Bucha massacre

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  • Strong Oppose As per everyone else who opposed, it is merely an accusation at this point and frankly, the sources just aren't there with the narrative in the article: The Human Rights Watch link doesn't actually offer any supporting evidence of a massacre in the text, aside from witness testimony which cannot be considered authoritative considering the nature of the war and all and thus I think an inline quote is necessary, while another source is some regional Indian newspaper that is basing its reportage off Twitter links. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 03:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support because this is a major article that has made hundreds of headlines, per WP:SIGCOV. However, the "hundreds" part should be removed as the exact death toll is unclear. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to add I support altblurb II. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Russia is responsible"? You have information that we all don't? This doesn't give me the greatest faith that you're entering this discussion with a neutral, impartial point of view on this topic. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 04:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:NPOV doesn't mean we deny reality. We state the facts as they are, it's why we say Donald Trump attempted to overturn the U.S. election (because he did), instead of trying to strike up a "balanced view"; and why we state that evolution is fact (because it is). Same here. Russia is responsible for slaughtering hundreds of people in Bucha; and it's quite obvious when you consider the fact that they were the last ones there. Unless you have another explanation? -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What more evidence are you expecting? Written confessions? Civilians tie their own hands together and then shoot themselves in the head? Or do you support the narrative by Putin and Peskov, and spouted by the official Russian news media, that it's all just made up "fake news" (and that the corpses were played by actors) and/or that the Ukrainians are doing this to their own people (as a punishment for not fighting the Russian invaders)? I'm not sure which is the more ridiculous suggestion. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I asked for evidence on Ghost of Kyiv, Snake Island, et. al. because it wasn't forthcoming, and look at how those turned out. I don't think it's 'ridiculous' to want to have more evidence on claims made in a war where both sides have been (frankly) rather dishonest from the beginning (and it certainly doesn't help that we have a hysterical mass media that regurgitates claims from government officials without any scrutiny in order to raise Lockheed's stock price). PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 07:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Stunned. So which of those two Russian claims do you offer as reasonable explanation? But you are also claiming that Zelenskyy is somehow in the pocket of Lockheed Martin?? And I don't see the wholly factual reports of the BBC as part of any "hysterical mass media"; perhaps you see Russian Today as the flag bearer for truthful reporting here? I think you should strike out or withdraw your comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with everything you said in the first clause, except that I differ on the interpretation of this 'reality' and that is the source of all contention and why we even have these sort of discussions on Wikipedia in the first place. Regardless, my opinion is not on the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but the article itself, and frankly I just don't see how the sources hold up. Can you find me where in any of the aforementioned sources that prima facie evidence is given of the claims being made in the text of the article? Because I cannot. PeaceThruPramana26 (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No answers to my questions. To which "aforementioned sources" are you referring? What do mean by "the first clause"? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Yes, we don't usually post accusations. But gathering evidence for prosecution will take years and simply ignoring these sickening revelations invites the conclusion that we are tacitly accepting Putin's narrative that this is all "fake". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL. I wonder who'd salvage Wikipedia's reputation if there's no evidence at the end. This is an excellent example of a speculation that we never post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • BBC have already broadcast some of the evidence. Or maybe you think Iryna Kostenko, who had to bury her own son in the garden, was just making it all up? 09:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Facts like there being many, many dead civilians? As reported by reliable sources, the only thing that should matter really. Not up to you decide the veracity of those claims made by reliable sources. Or are you claiming the reliable sources are lying here? 91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't deny the fact that hundreds of civilians were killed; the problem is that the proposed blurb uses an accusation, not a mere fact that someone committed the crime, and there are no reliable sources which report it as a fact.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • So why do you not support the blurb that is supported by RS then? That there are many dead civilians after the russian occupation? It at most implies that russia is responsible, as is done in RS. They don't outright say that Russia is responsible and neither does alt 1. Russian occupation, liberation of area, deaths of civilians. That surely will be in the vast majority of RS about this. What is your problem with alt 1, which is widely supported by RS?91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I evaluated this as an alleged genocidal act because that's what would make it extremely notable. Otherwise, there's no need to single out this particular event given that it's a war and such events are not uncommon, this is not the first report of killed civilians during the invasion and it's already posted to ongoing. Ukrainian sources claim that around 7,000 civilians were killed. Why do you think that these 300 are more important than the rest?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because RS say so? You know, the thing that shapes all content on Wikipedia. That would be my Wiki answer. Personally i believe there is a difference between bombing civilians, a war crime in itself, and shooting people in the head with their hand tied behind their backs. Both are horrible and there ultimately is no 'less important' when it comes to killed civilians. But i have to ask again, where do the RS come into play in your personal evaluation? There seems a distinct lack between what RS claim, proposed alt1 and your personal synthesis, OR, and what have you, on the matter. You do not base your vote on the claims of RS but on your own view.91.96.25.17 (talk) 11:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you wish so, it's fine to me. I've stricken my vote above and now I'll oppose because of the arguments in my previous comment (incident during a war, not the first instance of killed civilians and already posted to ongoing). As for your information, there are hundreds of stories covered in reliable sources on a daily basis and the vast majority of them doesn't get posted. That this is covered in reliable sources is a strong case for a standalone article, but that's not enough to consider this for inclusion on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rather obviously only a miniscule fraction of of things appearing in RS make it to getting posted at ITN. But this is more than just another article in RS. Due to volume of articles in many different countries, the importance placed on it even by the ones reporting on it and the like. The international condemnation of this event even rising above the other killings of civilians, which by itself were viewed as war crimes. This rose above that, certainly in coverage in RS, which even reported not only on the event itself but the international reaction to the the event. But do as you will, i hope whoever evaluates posting this will give your vote the weight it deserves. Have a good day anyway. 91.96.25.17 (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even then, large amounts of civilians dying is still a somewhat notable event, regardless of the certainty for the responsibility. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support the swathes of dead bodies with tied hands/holes directly through the head are corroborated and in the news, and encyclopedic. We can omit responsibility if there is not enough consensus for that for the time being Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is in the news now, and sources are blaming Russia for this. Yes, there hasn't been a formal investigation yet, but the article and blurbs are supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, we report what RSes report. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportI was about to write something pretty much along the lines of what Joseph above wrote. It is only about what RS claim here, and they have a pretty universal view on the matter. There are dead civilians. And a lot of them. So, is this notable? I sure think so. 91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also think alt1 seems better. No allegations, just facts(according to RS anyway). There was a russian occupation of the area, the area was liberated and many dead civilians were found. 91.96.25.17 (talk) 10:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This sad and shocking event was widely publicized and is definitely worth mentioning in the news. --НСНУ (talk) 13:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with the first, factual blurb. Russia has been accused, it is not a violation of policy to report that. We are not accusing them, simply reporting widespread accusations that have led to urgent discussions surrounding further sanctions from the European Union. I have added to the article although it still could do with some minor work. I have also added details of Russia's response and denial. AusLondonder (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't believe the dead have been "found dead" -- ?? Sca (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I see many forward-looking comments here. So, putting WP:CRYSTAL aside because coverage in reliable sources seems to be strong, shall we post any other similar event in near future (not unlikely given it's a war and who knows what else will be discovered)?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Can't say, can we: that would be WP:CRYSTAL. There may be "forward-looking comments" here, but the proposed blurbs are pretty rooted in factual events that have actually happened? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That depends if there are other events that are ITN-worthy. But this is not a normal part of war, and it's getting substantial coverage, e.g. BBC News has two articles about specifically about this ([35], [36]) showing on their front page- this is incredibly rare for this to happen. If other future events had similar impact and similar news coverage, I would support posting them as well. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the coverage is global, and features several expressions of "outrage." We shouldn't ignore this event just because something similar (or of even greater magnitude) might happen in Ukraine in the future. Definitely top-drawer material for a blurb now. – Sca (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can read the coverage yourself. Schönen Tag noch! – Sca (talk) 13:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • FYI, Guardian is not subscription, you are looking at the wrong site if it is. You can sign up to the Guardian for free, or you can close the sign-up screen blocking articles by clicking "not right now". Their mandate requires they never block access to news, even with free sign-ups. Kingsif (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post Posting Support. If hundreds of people died in a hurricane then there would be no opposition to posting it on ITN; not doing so because they were killed in a war crime would be absurd. I would also support changing the ITN picture from Orbán to the lede picture at Bucha massacre as it explains the situation more clearly than we can in a single sentence. BilledMammal (talk) 00:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep in mind we cannot call it a war crime under policy. It is definitely the unusual killing of hundreds of civilians by means that are beyond the usual casualties of war, and still appropriate for posting compared to the hundreds of deaths already that have happend in the conflict (that are covered by the ongoing), but we need to watch our language and wording very carefully here. --Masem (t) 00:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't remove the words "apparent" from the article until there is a consensus in reliable sources or a guilty verdict, but I don't feel the need to avoid calling a duck a duck here. BilledMammal (talk) 01:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Note that AP is still using the phrase "alleged massacres." – Sca (talk) 12:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support Good to go now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sure I didn't and/or won't make any difference here, but I'm still having a hard time fathoming this race. A regional football cup between countries isn't significant for Wikipedia standards, yet a boat race between two white men elite aristocrat universities do. Hmm. 182.2.132.202 (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If it's like Harvard the race breakdown is similar to the country it's in, half the students have been female for decades and they don't care much about your social or economic status anymore (descendants of students slightly overrepresented) and I've heard that no
    non-academic critehas ven laffect on admissions ess tin the United Statesrica. Also these might still be the two best universities on the planTop league unis for almost a thousand years, though the oldest existing university in the Western world is slightly older from 11th century Italy. et. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's an WP:ITNR event, so you'd need to discuss at WT:ITN. Also, it gets at least as much coverage as the college sports finals in the US which are listed as ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree, User:Hamza Ali Shah about the dissolution of the assembly not being notable. But what's the difference in the outcome between an early dissolution and a non-confidence vote? In most parliamentary systems, it's two different ways to trigger the same process. Perhaps there's a regional nuance I'm missing? Nfitz (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That was my thought as well, but the wikipedia article (I admittedly glanced through) seems to imply the same - a dissolution of parliament seems able to be requested by the PM and accepted by the President, at any time, just like in Canada/others - and a non-confidence motion resulting in dissolution, the same result with different steps... at least, that's my ignorant read of it. Canadianerk (talk) 23:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Nfitz, the no-confidence motion would not have dissolved parliament but it would have only changed the government. The opposition doesn’t want the parliament to be dissolved (as there’s quite a big chance Khan will regain his majority in parliament if there is an election) so I don’t think it would have been dissolved had Khan’s government been ousted. In other words, an early dissolution leads to election (which the opposition opposes) and the no-confidence vote would have lead to a government lead by the opposition until 2023.  Hamza Ali Shah  01:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks User:Hamza Ali Shah - ah yes, I see that would be notable then, with the change of government. I forgot that even here, a non-confidence vote can lead to a change in government too - but it's rare. Convention here is that a non-confidence vote leads to new election (and such events are frequent), unless there just was an election with the last few months - maybe a year. Nfitz (talk) 01:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Is that including or excluding the filmography? Or is the obit doing enough lifting for it? CreecregofLife (talk) 03:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Full filmography including TV appearances will need sourcing per standard. --Masem (t) 13:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is the system still dating posts April 3? In most of the world it's April 4. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC) Oops. Doh.[reply]
We go off UTC 0:00 time, (aka London/Greenwich) for timestamps. --Masem (t) 15:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's not London time, as London has put its clocks forwards, so is in UTC+1. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support This is pretty big news regarding this subject. The article is in very good shape. Nothing to complain about. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose An apology is nice and all but that doesn't seem to be anything actionable here or the type of resolve we'd expect on something like this (eg something like a conviction or the like). --Masem (t) 16:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody in their right mind went into this expecting to convict the pope of genocide. The goal was to convince the pope of genocide, and many were surprised to hear him actually plead guilty on behalf of those he understood as evil and contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I wouldn't call the spiritual leader of 1.3 billion people asking the Creator themself for forgiveness and shamefully asking the victims' pardon "nice and all", unless I was trying to be a sarcastic dick or ignorant atheist about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It is still an empty gesture for all purposes, particularly when the articles covering this talk of other things that could be done. --Masem (t) 13:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not all purposes, but yes, no material reclamation yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not in the article, also the article says that the Canadian Church apologised in September 2021, so it just seems like an extension of this? Either way, if it's not in the article, we cannot post it, and if it's added to the article, then I'm sceptical as there isn't that much coverage of this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: Both rationales for opposing above seem to have been ameliorated. The article is updated with April 1 news, and I've added more sources regarding coverage. There are also many more independent and reliable sources from many different countries covering this as well. --Jayron32 16:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No it doesn't, at least for mine. Nothing actionable has happened here; its (hypothetically) if the Russian Catholic church apologized to Ukraine for Putin's invasion - Nothing has changed about the invasion. At least from the CBC there are potentially actionable steps the church could do such as rolling back past policies that would retrify matters. An apology is not really actionable. --Masem (t) 16:34, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I wasn't responding to your rationale, I was responding to the two rationales that Joseph used. Regardless, you don't need to defend yourself to me. Everybody around here already knows how much of a problem I am to the ITN process. You can go back to ignoring me like everyone should. --Jayron32 16:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:EcIt hadn't been updated when I posted. Just because the regular news articles publish it, that doesn't make it ITN worthy. It isn't a front page news story on e.g. BBC News, whereas most ITN-worthy news does usually feature on front pages of most big news websites. This is a valid policy-based oppose, so stop trying to claim otherwise. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't say it wasn't policy based. I said that they had since been ameliorated, which is to say, fixed after the fact. You can vote however you want. It's no skin off my teeth. You don't need to defend yourself to me. Remember, I am the problem around here. Never forget that. --Jayron32 16:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no ITN policy for significance that says anything like what you are saying. The guidelines state that the item must be covered on newsworthy sources (which this is) and that there is a consensus to post. See WP:ITNCRIT. WaltCip-(talk) 18:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is big news. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 16:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is very good quality, article has been updated, topic is in major news sources. Checks all of the boxes for me! --Jayron32 16:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Masem, Joseph2302. These retroactive apologies for historical misdeeds offered by current heads of historically offending institutions may be mollifying for present-day members of the groups wronged, but beyond that have little effect and IMO lack wider significance. – Sca (talk) 17:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I find the pope's thinly veiled rebuke today of "potentate" Putin over Ukraine much more consequential. – Sca (talk) 13:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice quality article, significant update from new news, covered by every major news outlet, opposition votes (mentions of the Canadian Church, not being front page on BBC News, and lack of something "actionable") are nitpicky IMHO and far less important to consider than the feelings of the affected: Template:Tq – Muboshgu (talk) 17:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • And the "action" at least seems to be that Pope Francis will travel to Canada to apologize in person soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I feel like that would be the more appropriate time to post it personally. Would what happened today be considered the "formal apology"? Floydian τ ¢ 19:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      This delegation traveled the same distance, with the same purpose, in greater number. I'd consider it the first apology. The second, if it happens, will be more personal (for the survivors, relatives and peripheral victims who didn't make this trip) but still as formal as any papal visit. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem and Sca. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A contextually enormous response from the Catholic Church. We should be in the business of posting high quality articles that are in the news, and that's what this is. --WaltCip-(talk) 18:01, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As a Canadian raised part Catholic and part Ojibwe (though mostly secular), I personally feel the goodness and bigness of this apology. I accept it as genuine, historic and alright. But I'm not about to contribute to this schism over whether the general Wikipedian audience needs to know. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Seems notable, one of the biggest headlines right now below Ukraine. Article in good shape. Davey2116 (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The target article is lengthy and difficult to navigate. If this is posted, it may be necessary to make the update into a separate section in the target article and then link directly to that section in the blurb, instead of making the reader try to locate the update. Alternatively, it might be useful to have an update in the lead of the article.
  • Oppose Much as we don't post the 12 country to legalize gay marriage, we shouldn't be post the guy who apologies decades after his peers. As others have stated, this comes with no substantive action (how about dipping into those coffers for reparations?), so posting only serves to praise him for taking an action he stubbornly refused to for a decade. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The pope's only peers are previous popes, in Roman Catholicism, none of which ever apologized. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Uh, no. The pope's peers are fellow church heads and heads of state. But I do think you are hinting at the issue here: an archaic view of the pope's sway as the titular leader of 1/6 of the world who is seen as infallible. Modern Catholics feel comfortable rejecting anything he says that contradicts their priors. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    More about his papal supremacy than his papal infallibility. Not belittling the Archbishop of Canterbury, either, but Anglicans did have objectively much less to do with this dark chapter in Canadian government. I hear you on his waning influence; per a prophecy I also take somewhat seriously, Francis is the last real pope. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Significance appears to be limited as evidenced by the fact that news item does not rate its own article. Nice gesture though. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is historic. It's the recognition of a history involving genocide and is major news for the Roman Catholic Church. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the pope only apologised for the conduct of some members of the RCC, not for the church as a whole. Stephen 06:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, yeah, not all of us tortured generations of people in the hopes of eradicating their way of life. Most Catholics are better than that. The worst I've done is adultery. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Only nine to go then. Stephen 07:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Five left, actually; I said adultery was the worst. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant acknowledgement of the evils done by the Catholic Church. The article is comprehensive and well sourced.Melmann 07:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The lead of the article says nothing about the Catholic church whose role in this seems to have been similar to numerous other Canadian institutions. As a previous pope already expressed his regrets over 10 years ago, this seems to be just more of the same. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not significant enough for posting. The announcement is an attempt at rehabilitating the Church’s reputation without action to settle the victims’ claims. Jehochman Talk 13:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Hard no to posting an "apology". Actions speak louder than words, and to anyone who is not a Catholic this means very little or not at all. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I imagine it means quite a bit to the 1-2/3 million aboriginals in Canada, although perhaps still with a similar sentiment (re: actions vs. words). - Floydian τ ¢ 14:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't disagree. There are decent number of combined First Nation individuals and Catholics combined that it would matter too, but I think the lack of progression from words to actions hurts this nom. As also noted above this feels like a face-saving maneuver more than anything. Perhaps not even enough of a "gesture" to call it an "empty gesture". DarkSide830 (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly. I obstained on voting because I feel as though the pope coming to the First Nations and apologising is really the epitome of singular events in this ongoing story. This was just an obligated response really. Floydian τ ¢ 17:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with the above comments that there must be a very strong presumption against posting official apologies which, by definition, are symbolic actions with limited significance. As mentioned above, this also appears to be only one in a range of apologies for this particular issue too. The only point that gave me pause for thought was the quality of the FA target article but on reflection I am not convinced that this status is actually justified on the basis of the article's current state - hugely long and with more space given to the apologies than to the actual subject itself. I think we should pass. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this is a press release, not a news story. Brazilian man in Italy apologizes for other peoples' actions in Canada. I'm not sure this justifies updating any article, much less front-page coverage. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 20:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He's Argentinian, but whatever. BSMRD (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He's argentinian, but go off. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 01:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He's also in the Vatican City, not Italy, but apart from that... Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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