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November 9

Portal:Current events/2024 November 9

November 9, 2024 (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Insurgency in Balochistan
- 2024 Quetta railway station bombing
  - At least 26 people, including fourteen soldiers, are killed and more than 62 others are injured in a suicide bombing at a rail station in Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan. The Balochistan Liberation Army claims responsibility for the attack. (Al Jazeera)
Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war
  - At least one person is killed and two others are injured in a raid by Israeli forces in Aqqaba in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera)
Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon
  - At least 40 people, including several children, are killed in Israeli airstrikes on several cities in Lebanon. (Reuters)
Boko Haram insurgency
- Fifteen Chad National Army soldiers are killed and 32 others are wounded in clashes with Boko Haram militants near Lake Chad. At least 96 Boko Haram militants are killed and 11 others are wounded in the operation. (Reuters) (DW)
Colombian conflict
- A soldier is killed and 16 other people are injured during two separated motorcycle bombings in Jamundí and Cauca Department, Colombia. (Infobae 1) (Infobae 2)
Sudanese civil war
- The United Nations Security Council sanctions the head of operations of the Rapid Support Forces and the force's West Darfur commander for their human rights abuses and for promoting violence in Sudan. (Al Jazeera)

Disasters and accidents

2024 Spanish floods
- Tens of thousands of protesters demonstrate in Valencia, Spain, to demand the resignation of President of the Valencian Government Carlos Mazón for his handling of the warnings and subsequent management of last week's deadly floods. (AP)

International relations

China–Indonesia relations
- Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto sign several cooperation deals worth $10 billion seeking partnership in key areas including water conservation, marine resources, and mining. (Bangkok Post) (Reuters)
North Korea–Russia relations
- Russian President Vladimir Putin signs into law the North Korean–Russian Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership, a mutual defense pact with North Korea. (Reuters)

Law and crime

A man injures four friars at a monastery in Gilet, Province of Valencia, Spain, before fleeing the scene. (ABC.es)

Politics and elections

2024 Bolivia protests
- The constitutional court of Bolivia prohibits former President Evo Morales from running for office in any position, thereby preventing him from contesting next year's election. (Al Jazeera)

RD: Bobby Allison

Article: Bobby Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk · give credit)
Updated by BurnItDown49 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NASCAR driver and 3-times Daytona 500 winner. 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Tone problem and some sections are uncited. Rynoip (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose more sourcing needed, and is way too slanted to negative aspects ("Cale Yarborough fight" has 5 paragraphs which is WP:UNDUE compared to the rest of his career, and "Career wins controversy" violate WP:Controversy sections). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Delhi Ganesh

Article: Delhi Ganesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Updated by 58.175.9.121 (talk · give credit), 2601:18e:d004:6e70:c8c2:f424:d0b4:e632 (talk · give credit) and Raghavan2010 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian actor and having done versatile roles in over 400 films. Has won Tamil Nadu State Film Award Special Prize and Kalaimamani Awards. Abishe (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose filmography and television sections are unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Judith Jamison

Article: Judith Jamison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American dancer, article in good shape. I honestly still don’t have a good sense of when we blurb, but she was a historic figure in the arts. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD, oppose blurb The article is well sourced and of high quality, but she simply isn't notable enough for a blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. 5th level vital article. Updated and well-referenced. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 05:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nothing to complain. Grimes2 (talk) 05:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Quetta bombing

Article: 2024 Quetta railway station bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In Pakistan, at least 26 people are killed and 62 are injured in a Balochistan Liberation Army suicide bombing at the Quetta railway station. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Al Jazeera, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Created by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Updated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack in Pakistan. Article seems short but adequate. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Notable, long enough, and seems to be well-sourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Major fatal terror attack at one of the largest, busiest and most important train stations in the province of Balochistan. Bloxzge 025 ツ

(talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, major notable event. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Inconsequential ITN nomination, this doesn't appear to be a major headline on BBC, AP, CNN, etc. Additionally, it's unclear on how this will have any significant impact with the security theatre in this region of Pakistan. It's my understanding is that this group has been terrorizing this region for quite some time. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The bombing impact was that it significantly increased security measures across Quetta and suspended train operations Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are short term impacts. Ideally we're looking for long-term impacts, and this doesn't seem to have moved the needle on the state of terrorism in the region. Masem (t) 18:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Major terrorist attack, significant casualty numbers. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Major attack, massive casualties. Made headlines in The Guardian, so some foreign sources clearly found it important. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's in the news, a substantial attack with not insignificant casualties. Article is reasonable quality. AusLondonder (talk) 20:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 00:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Ram Narayan

Article: Ram Narayan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Ram Narayan, who popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument, dies at age 96 (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Ram Narayan, who won the Padma Vibhushan for playing the bowed instrument sarangi, dies at age 96
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Nominated by Hekerui (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian musician, popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument Hekerui (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There is a photo here. Are we going with blurb? BilboBeggins (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to add something blurb-wise Hekerui (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose blurb~~ RD only, Not on par with head of state in terms of notability or otherwise globally known household name to warrant a blurb.31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD since its a featured article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Ravi Shankar was blurbed and this chap seems similar. And it’s an FA. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you seriously not take decisions from more than ten years ago as a reference? A lot has changed in ITN since then. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shankar was far more famous and influential worldwide than Narayan. Black Kite (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
plus ça change... Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Article is of high quality, and gives a reasonable good reason why he was considered a great figure in their field. Masem (t) 15:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Agree that the article is high quality, but I think he is not notable enough for a blurb, compared to Ravi Shankar. Grimes2 (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD, oppose blurb article is of high quality. Scuba 19:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb death not notable as event This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb As a featured article, this is clearly of high enough quality for RD, but he's just not notable enough for a blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb Seems transformative figure to me. Also, 77 Wikipedia articles is impressive. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb being transformational is not sufficient to rise to a death blurb. it's unclear what his impact or legacy will be nor is his death being covered all that much internationally. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb - The Japanese basketball (or was it baseball?) blurb is 9 days old (and counting). If there isn't other thing to blurb, why not this? 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Moldovan election news is 10 days old... 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb – Top of his field. ArionStar (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

Portal:Current events/2024 November 8

November 8, 2024 (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Kharkiv strikes, Kyiv strikes, Odesa strikes
  - One person is killed and at least 38 others are injured in Russian airstrikes in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Odesa, Ukraine. (AP)
Terrorism in Yemen
- A Yemeni government soldier opens fire on Saudi troops in Seiyun, Yemen, killing two and injuring one other. Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and the Houthis are suspected to be the perpetrators of the attack, however no group claimed responsibility. (AP)
2024 Mozambican general election, Human rights in Mozambique
- Human Rights Watch reports that at least 34 people have been killed and at least 66 others have been injured in the past three weeks in police crackdowns of violent protests following the Mozambican presidential election. Mozambican police fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters in the capital city Maputo, with the Army later deployed to end the protests. (Al Jazeera) (DW)
November 2024 Amsterdam attacks, Antisemitism in Europe
- Pro-Palestinian locals attack supporters of Israeli football team Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. after a match with AFC Ajax in Amsterdam, Netherlands, following instances of anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab chants and vandalism by Maccabi ultras. At least 30 people are injured, with five hospitalized, and 62 people are arrested. Dutch authorities condemn the attacks as antisemitic with the government of Amsterdam subsequently banning protests and demonstrations in the city for three days. (CNN) (Al Jazeera) (Reuters)

Arts and culture

67th Annual Grammy Awards
- American musician Beyoncé receives eleven nominations for the 2025 Grammy Awards, making her the most nominated artist in the award's history with 99 total nominations. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

At least two people are killed and twelve others are missing when a fishing boat capsizes off the coast of Jeju Island, South Korea. (The Korea Herald)

Health and environment

Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest
- The Brazilian environment and climate change ministry reports that deforestation in the Amazon rainforest decreased by 30.6% compared to last year, the lowest level in nine years. Additionally, deforestation in the Cerrado tropical savannah region decreased by 25.7%, the first decrease in five years. (AP) (Semafor)

International relations

South China Sea dispute
- President Bongbong Marcos signs into law the Maritime Zones Act and the Archipelagic Sea Lanes Act which defines the maritime entitlements of the Philippines and set designated sea lanes and air routes. China protests against the laws which is linked to territorial disputes in the South China Sea. (Reuters) (Nikkei Asia)
Ukraine–United States relations
- The United States lifts its ban on deploying military contractors to Ukraine, thereby enabling American companies to directly assist with the maintenance and repair of U.S.-made weapons, such as F-16 fighter aircraft and Patriot air defense systems. The U.S. says that its contractors will be positioned far from the front lines and will not engage in combat with Russian forces. (CNN)

Law and crime

Hurricane Milton
- Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season
  - A Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) employee is fired for having told relief workers to not aid those who supported then-Republican candidate in the upcoming 2024 United States presidential election, Donald Trump. (CNN)
Security incidents involving Donald Trump, Iranian interference in the 2024 United States elections
- The U.S. Justice Department announces that they have formally charged an Afghan national who confessed to a murder-for-hire plan linked to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps targeting president-elect Donald Trump. (CNN)
Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is released from prison early after serving six months for perverting the course of justice. (RNZ)

(Posted) RD: Dorothy Allison

Article: Dorothy Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT: Dorothy Allison, Author of ‘Bastard Out of Carolina,’ Dies at 75
Credits:

Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American writer. Died on the 6th but her death was announced on the 8th. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems to be well sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 11:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 19:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Trevor Sorbie

Article: Trevor Sorbie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British celebrity hairdresser. 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems well-cited. It's not red-tagged or orange-tagged. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 19:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(stale) RD: Alan Rachins

Stale. Black Kite (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alan Rachins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American Actor. News of death might be a bit stale but still nominating. TNM101 (chat) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose Article is generally well-cited, with the notable exception of the filmography section at the end. All of it is pretty easily verifiable from google searching. However, in many cases even the target articles do not have a proper citation or even a mention re: Rachins appearance. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and suggest close STALE. Death was reported on 11/2 (over a week ago). Latest nominations right now are dated for 11/4. Suggesting close since this is stale. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: June Spencer

Article: June Spencer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
Updated by RyTellyFan91 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actress. Fats40boy11 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support She was playing Peggy Woolley on The Archers before I was born and before the late Queen came to the throne. And she was still playing the part at the age of 103. Just posting her name is quite inadequate to convey the nature of her legendary feat. Just why is it so hard to post a few words or a picture to explain this to our readers? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure many outside the UK will know who The Archers were, and even then it only applies to those who listen to Radio 4 or grew up with it. I think you could make a case of reforming RD altogether, but this would merit a much wider discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 22:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Amsterdam attack

Non-admin closure as consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Israeli soccer fans are attacked in Amsterdam, injuring 10. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Mass pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel violent assaults takes place in Amsterdam, injuring 10.
Alternative blurb II:  ~~Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are attacked in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.~~
Alternative blurb III:  Maccabi Tel Aviv fans clash with locals in Amsterdam after a Europa League football match.
Alternative blurb IV:  Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, pro-Palestinian protestors, and other local residents are attacked during unrest in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.
News source(s): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html
Credits:

Nominated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article about a recent attack against Israeli citizens after attending a football match. It marked the beginning of a pogrom there. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've added another blurb related to the topic; given that Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam was created six minutes before November 2024 Amsterdam attacks makes me rethink twice and do two nominations (articles will me merged) in the hope that one of them gets promoted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have not seen any RS using the term 'pogrom'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have removed comments violating WP:ARBPIA and added warning for that area to this nomination. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability but strong oppose blurb and altblurb1 firstly this is Europe, so why use the term soccer, secondly we are an encyclopedia we should be specific, and thirdly, these aren't random Israelis being attacked they are Maccabi fans who are politically right-wing and one the most supported clubs in Israel, which brings a whole new dimension. Also Ajax's fanbase whom they played against also is somewhat known to have pro-Israeli sympathies, so I added altblurb2 which omits Ajax from the blurb as there is no indication their fans were involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, barring any significant deaths, this is part of what's in the ongoing topics related to the Israeli conflicts. --Masem (t) 12:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need deaths to make an event significant. Also this happened far away from the Middle East. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait @Masem I tend to agree with Abc here, WP:MINIMUMDEATHS seems like a relevant essay. However, I'm leaning towards oppose at the moment because it's still unclear if this is going to have any long-term ramifications. For example, if Israel decides to incur on Dutch sovereign soil with her military forces as a result, this would certainly seem blurb worthy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to inform people who do happen to notice that MINIMUMDEATHS is bluelinked that of course the intention is not to codify a minimum deaths threshold; and there is no guideline regarding "minimum deaths" in any shape or form. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but at the same time, we have, within the ongoing, at least three articles covering worldwide rise of violence and other actions against Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims (Antisemitism during the Israel–Hamas war, Islamophobia during the Israel–Hamas war, and Anti-Palestinianism during the Israel–Hamas war). This is not an isolated case, and seems more comparable to the protests on American colleges (which we didn't post). As Kcmastrpc, if this escalates to be more an international incident, that would be different, but right now, it appears that the immediate situation resolved. --Masem (t) 13:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the scale and level of violence and reaction is much larger than usual though, especially given this was a relatively high-profile football match too Abcmaxx (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Doesn't seem important enough for ITN at the moment; also, it doesn't appear to have been all one-way [1]. Black Kite (talk) 13:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree here, it has had official responses from various politicians, so it has caused a diplomatic incident. Such events are rarely one-sided given an organised and politicised group of football fans were involved. Also the pogrom redirect looks to be heavily WP:LOADED and WP:POV I think this should be deleted. I have added altblurb3in order to give a neutral balance. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everything gets political responses nowadays, the way we write event articles, which is a problem. Reactions really should be focused on actual involvement and steps, and not just stern words or statements of thoughts and prayers, but event articles tend to attract and grow those like kudzu. There's a lot of weight in claiming these reactions are significant that is in the CRYSTAL territory as well. — Masem (t) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but this is making global headlines; I'm not sure what other involvement you can reasonably expect other than mass arrests and government intervention to bring their citizens home, which is what happened here. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tons of events get global headlines, but WP is not a newspaper and ITN is not a newsticker. And if that's the extent the actions that result from this event, that's also pushing it towards being a footnote within the larger context of the Israeli conflicts. — Masem (t) 19:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right but you can't set such a high threshold that only elections and tragic events with x amount deaths get posted, we are already getting to a point where it's becoming near impossible to post anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose given the earlier disruptions by Israeli fans attacking people in Amsterdam aren’t mentioned idk how anybody could think this is a NPOV. Also oppose on notability. nableezy - 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose alt blurbs 1-3 on NPOV concerns The level of coverage this is receiving puts this on a similar notability footing to the US College Protests, but Europe's version. I supported posting the protests and support this too. However, I am sympathetic to the NPOV concerns. Looking objectively at the reporting, there is evidence that at least some Maccabi fans were targeting or vandalizing houses and businesses with the Palestinian flag and that Arabs in the area (including a taxi driver) were assaulted prior to the game starting. Omitting this from alt blurbs 1-2 is a NPOV concern. On the other hand, there is obvious video footage that later in the night (after the game had ended), coordinated violence on a much larger scale was directed at the Maccabi fans leaving the stadium; alt blurb 3 leaves the reader with the oversimplified impression that the Maccabi fans "clashed" (i.e. caused violence) with locals. The net result of this is that I support alt blurb 4 (which I have added). Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose clashes between opposing football fans in Europe is very commonplace. This is just given more attention due to the current Middle East situation. No deaths, or major number of injuries. If posted, alt3 is the most neutral blurb to use. To me, "clashes" implies violence / fighting on both sides with no indication of who started in. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who is opposing Maccabi here? This isn't football-based violence, it's ethno-political Abcmaxx (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurbs 3 and 4; oppose the others. What makes this particular Hooliganism noteworthy is that it's explicitly ethnic violence: Israeli fans engaging in anti-Arab demonstrations in the Netherlands of all places, and residents responding with violence. Also, a lot more than 10 were injured, as of current reporting. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Natg 19. If it's posted, ALT4 is the best - the rest of them all have NPOV problems going in either direction. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose looks like football hooliganism, I can't remember us posting instances of this to ITN before. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per Natg 19 and Scuba, no deaths so far Hungry403 (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, violence and football hooliganism by one group after being instigated by the other. RachelTensions (talk) 04:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - football hooliganism + WP:POV; all of these blurbs portray the israelites as victims here without showing what they did for this to happen. The background section in the artile is literally bigger than the section on the attack Abo Yemen ✉ 05:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Massem above. Yakikaki (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Describing an incident of football hooliganism as the "beginning of a pogrom there" in the Netherlands is completely false and ridiculous. Football hooliganism is not uncommon in Europe. The article itself states that "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans had been filmed beforehand burning a Palestinian flag, chanting anti-Arab slurs and not observing the moment of silence for victims of 2024 Spanish floods." The incident was not an "attack" - the article has serious NPOV issues. AusLondonder (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is very clearly NOT just football hooliganism, and none of the major media are presenting it as thus. Even the pro-Palestian Guardian is calling it "attacks on Israeli football fans" (The Guardian). The blatant POV of some of the commentators here, and their both-sides-ism, is despicable and should be discarded. Khuft (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only in the headline. The source you are citing to argue against "despicable both-sides-ism" goes on to repeatedly describe "incidents on both sides" and "fights on both sides" with both anti-Arab racism and antisemitism being causes of the fighting. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you even read the article? No-one is denying there were incidents started by the Maccabi fans, but the incidents thereafter targeting Maccabi fans were way more significant and shocking. The article quotes the mayor of Amsterdam, for instance, as follows: “Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.” It's not me saying this - it's the actual mayor of the city where this happened. Khuft (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did see that the politician placed the blame squarely on one side without acknowledging the other. The police, the source you posted, and reliable sources more generally, acknowledged that incidents and fights occurred on both sides. This discussion about how the story should be framed is better suited for the talk page (where such a discussion is already happening), it's not going to be blurbed. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on notability as this doesn't even make the list of the most significant events that could be described as spillovers of the Israel-Palestine conflict, strong oppose every proposed blurb except alt4 as terribly misleading. Alt3 is at least not POV, but it's not a very informative description of the event. Seems like we're past the point of WP:SNOW anyways. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Doesnt appear notable enough for a blurb at this time. Noah, BSBA^Talk 20:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted RD) RD: John Nott

Article: John Nott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: The last National Liberal MP, John Nott, who was the UK defence secretary during the Falklands war, dies at age 92. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Times
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Updated by Shacharrz (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Quite a prominent and memorable figure in his day Andrew🐉(talk) 00:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb Not a serving politician, certainly not a household name. OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Neither of those are criteria that ITN has used to consider for blurbs. — Masem (t) 14:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD article quality good enough, not too sure about blurb though. Rynoip (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say that I like how his books are referenced, but that would not stop me from posting this. The two citation needed tags that I've placed are of bigger concern. Schwede 66 02:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose on quality Some cn tags and Books section needs some sources. Oppose blurb not significant enough to warrant blurb. I mean, Colin Powell didn't get blurbed for Pete's sake. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD only, per Orbitalbuzzsaw 31.44.227.152 (talk) 07:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, no indication of any impact or legacy beyond simply being connected to the Falklands war. Support RD, I tagged one bit of trivia in the death section (re surviving members of the Thatcher cabinet) but that's not a showstopper. --Masem (t) 12:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb - not quite a Churchill or a Kissinger. The party also seems to have been defunct since 1968. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite?! Not at all. Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb - I concur with TDKR that Colin Powell comes to mind as the primary comparison point. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD, Oppose Blurb article looks good, but being minister of defense during a war 40 years ago doesn't make you notable enough for a blurb. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD, oppose blurb - The article is of sufficient quality to meet RD requirements, but given his role as a former Defence Secretary rather than a head of state or high-impact contemporary figure, a blurb feels unwarranted. His contributions do not reach the level of widespread historical impact typically needed for a standalone blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb Not a figure of sufficient notability or impact to warrant a blurb. Keep in mind that the nominator here opposed the recent blurbing of a national constitutional referendum on European Union membership. AusLondonder (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AusLondonder: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 18:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? AusLondonder (talk) 02:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AusLondonder this was presumably in reference to your statement Keep in mind that the nominator here opposed the recent blurbing of a national constitutional referendum on European Union membership. Natg 19 (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 22:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

Portal:Current events/2024 November 7

November 7, 2024 (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
  - Siege of North Gaza, Refugee camp airstrikes in the Israel–Hamas war
    - At least twelve Palestinians are killed and several others are injured in Israeli airstrikes on a school used to shelter displaced people in the Al-Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera)
- Military aid to Israel during the Israel–Hamas war, Israel–United States military relations
  - The Israeli Ministry of Defence announces that it has signed an agreement to acquire 25 F-15EX fighter jets from Boeing as part of a $5.2 billion aid package from the U.S. government. At least four jets will be delivered annually beginning in 2031. (Reuters)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Zaporizhzhia strikes
  - Four people are killed and 33 others are injured when Russian guided bombs hit residences, an apartment building, and a medical center in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters)
Sudanese civil war
- 2024 eastern Gezira State massacres
  - At least 73 people from the village of al-Hilaliya, Gezira State, Sudan, are killed by unknown causes during a siege of the village by Rapid Support Forces militants. (Reuters)
Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- Hezbollah launches drones at the Israeli Defense Forces base in Kfar Bilu and the Haifa naval base in Haifa, Israel. No casualties are reported. (Al Jazeera) (Saba News Agency)

Disasters and accidents

2023–2024 South American drought
- The United Nations reports that almost a half million children in the Amazon are currently experiencing significant food and water scarcity due to prolonged droughts. (The Guardian)
2024 Atlantic hurricane season, 2024 Cuba blackouts
- Cuba experiences a nationwide blackout as Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Artemisa Province. (Al Jazeera)

International relations

Russia–United Kingdom relations
- International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - The British government announces 56 sanctions on individuals and entities based in countries including China and Turkey, as well as on the Africa Corps mercenary group, in order to target Russia's military-industrial complex and restrict the supply of military equipment to Russia. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera)
France–Israel relations
- Israel Police forcibly enter the French-administered Church of the Pater Noster compound in Jerusalem and detain two French consulate employees. French foreign minister Jean-Noël Barrot cancels his visit to the site while the French government summons the Israeli ambassador in response. (Le Monde) (AP)

Law and crime

Chinese intelligence activity abroad
- Germany arrests an American citizen suspected of spying on the U.S. military for China while working at a U.S. military installation in Germany. (Al Jazeera)
Police in Argentina charge three people in the death of English singer Liam Payne. (Sky News) (People)
The Federal Bureau of Investigation announces an inquiry into a widespread text message harassment campaign targeting Black Americans with threats of enslavement. (CNN) (NBC)

Politics and elections

2024 German government crisis
- Volker Wissing, Germany's transport minister and the former Free Democratic Party (FDP) general secretary, announces that he will leave the FDP but will remain in the Scholz cabinet. (SZ)
Second presidential transition of Donald Trump
- U.S. President-elect Donald Trump announces Susie Wiles as his White House Chief of Staff, the first woman to serve in this position. (ABC News)
The Labor Ministry of Ecuador temporarily suspends Vice President and ambassador to Israel Verónica Abad Rojas until April 2025 for failing to comply with an order to leave Israel due to security concerns in Gaza. (Reuters)

(Posted) RD: Jürgen Becker (poet)

Article: Jürgen Becker (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Georg Büchner Prize recipient. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Christine Görner

Article: Christine Görner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): her website
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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German soprano who excelled in operetta, musical, film and entertaining music, especially one beloved operetta film. The article just survived a deletion suggestion, so became well sourced. Her death is reported only on her personal website, but what else can we expect about a woman who - if we believe the German Wikipedia - suffered a stroke 5 years ago and since lived in Italy with her son, where she died (on 30 October, but the first trace appeared here on 7 November) and was buried. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good to me. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD Relatively short but meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 20:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pim Sierks

Article: Pim Sierks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DVNH (NL)
Credits:

Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Dutch pilot. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 05:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now Until sourcing issues are fixed. Anopisthograph (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elwood Edwards

Article: Elwood Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WKYC
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Voice of America Online's "You've Got Mail." Death reported 7 November. Thriley (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tagged and 3 cn tags Rynoip (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good now. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, article has no outstanding issues with sourcing now. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 07:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

support can't see any glaring problems. Scuba 21:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Issues have been fixed, and I can't find any reason not to post. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is now well sourced. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support LGTM. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tyka Nelson

Article: Tyka Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP New York Times
Credits:

Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Marybrewster (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sister of Prince. TNM101 (chat) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose Article is tagged and her career section is rather short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose yellow and orange tags. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Until issues are resolved and tags removed, per above Anopisthograph (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Richard A. Cash

Stale, past 7 days old (WP:ITNRD).—Bagumba (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Richard A. Cash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Richard A. Cash, who pioneered oral rehydration therapy to save millions of lives, has died at the age of 83 (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Updated by MaynardClark (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The subject died in October but the NYT didn't publish an obituary until Nov 3. I'm not sure how much credit belongs to this doctor in particular but oral rehydration therapy has saved more than 50 million lives and was described by The Lancet as "the most important medical advance this century". So that's quite a big legacy which merits some attention and perhaps even a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and suggest close Way too stale. His death was reported by The Washington Post on October 26th. NYT was late to the party, but his death was well reported before. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amended to RD Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as stale his death was first reported on 24 October [2], which is more than 7 days ago. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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November 6

Portal:Current events/2024 November 6

November 6, 2024 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon
  - 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes
    - Israeli airstrikes in the Beqaa Valley in eastern Lebanon kill 55 people and injure 59 others. (L'Orient le Jour)
- Hezbollah fires rockets at Tel Aviv, Israel, with a rocket striking Ben Gurion Airport. (Yedioth Ahronoth)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War
  - U.S. President Joe Biden announces the expedited granting of more than US$6 billion in military aid to Ukraine prior to president-elect Donald Trump's inauguration in January. (Reuters)
Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency
- Twelve Jaish ul-Adl militants are killed, including the group's leader Salahuddin Farooqui, in a joint operation by Iran and Pakistan. (Tehran Times) (Sedaye Bourse)

Business and economy

The Institute of International Finance cautions that if U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follows through with the tariffs that he campaigned on, this will result in a renewal of inflation and higher U.S. banking loan interest rates. (CNBC)

Disasters and accidents

2024 Atlantic hurricane season
- Hurricane Rafael approaches the southern coast of Cuba as a Category 3 hurricane, triggering mass evacuations amid warnings of life-threatening flash flooding and storm surges. (Reuters)
2024 California wildfires
- Amid extreme fire weather conditions and a particularly dangerous situation red flag warning, the Mountain Fire in Ventura County, California, U.S., develops and grows to 10,400 acres (42 km²) in less than eight hours. (CBS News)
A Honda HA-420 HondaJet crashes into a vehicle during take off from Falcon Field in Mesa, Arizona, U.S., killing five people. (CBS News)
Forty-three Rhesus macaque monkeys escape from the Alpha Genesis, Inc. research facility in Yemassee, South Carolina, United States after an enclosure is improperly fastened. (Associated Press)

Law and crime

Protests against Donald Trump
- Just Stop Oil protesters spray orange paint on the outside of the American Embassy in London, United Kingdom, following Donald Trump's re-election in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. (The Independent)
- U.S. protesters gather in San Jose, Berkeley, Chicago, Philadelphia, and New York City to protest following the re-election of Donald Trump. (Mercury News) (Newsweek)
Human trafficking in Greece
- Four people are killed and 25 others are rescued after human traffickers force them from their boat into the water off the coast of Rhodes, Greece, and abandon them. (Al Jazeera)

Politics and elections

2024 U.S. elections
- 2024 U.S. presidential election, Second presidency of Donald Trump
  - Republican candidates 45th U.S. president Donald Trump and U.S. Senator JD Vance are elected as the 47th U.S. President and 50th U.S. Vice President respectively. (The Washington Post) (AP)
    - Trump will become the first person since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to serve non-consecutive presidential terms, as well as the oldest presidential candidate and first convicted felon to be elected president. (BBC News) (The New York Times) (AP)
    - Vance is the first millennial to be elected U.S. Vice President. (DW)
- 2024 U.S. Senate elections
  - The Republican Party wins a majority in the U.S. Senate. (Reuters) (The Guardian)
- Second presidential transition of Donald Trump
  - U.S. Vice President and Democratic Party candidate Kamala Harris concedes defeat to Donald Trump in a speech at Howard University in Washington, D.C., stating that she and U.S. President Joe Biden will commit to a peaceful transition of power. (Time)
2024 German government crisis
- In Germany, the Scholz cabinet loses its majority following the dismissal of finance minister Christian Lindner and the resignation of all remaining Free Democratic Party members. (Reuters)

(Posted) RD: Johannes Beutler

Article: Johannes Beutler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Created by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German theologian and Catholic priest focused on Gospel of John. Grimes2 (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 22:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Todd

Article: Tony Todd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American actor with a large number of roles, notable as the killer in the Candyman series. Unfortunately article is woefully undersourced due to the large number of roles. Masem (t) 03:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. The Filmography section needs a lot of work - right now, it's almost completely unsourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Majority of filmography is currently unsourced alongside several unsourced paragraphs under television section. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Madeleine Riffaud

Article: Madeleine Riffaud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Fighter in the French Resistance during World War II, writing poems at school and in prison where tortured and to be executed by the Nazis, after World War II encouraged to write by Eluard and portrayed by Picasso, then as war correspondent in Algeria and Vietnam, in a relationship with Nguyễn Đình Thi, distant for most of the long time. - Several of the article's references were no longer there, but could be replaced. More detail is in the sources, such as an early short marriage and a child that died young. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems good enough. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is properly cited. Scuba 01:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support better quality than the average nom we get around here, good to go. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini

Article: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Arab News
Credits:

Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Indian Sufi and the vice president of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board. Khaatir (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no citation problems. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I don't see any major issues. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above and marking as ready. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anna Lo

Article: Anna Lo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
Created by Rye 212 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Milzo1986 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: UK's first Chinese parliamentarian. Article looks good, well cited. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 02:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done Grimes2 (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support seems ready now. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support High-quality and well-sourced article. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is well sourced and looks ready. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Rafael

Article: Hurricane Rafael (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Cuba and causes a second nationwide electrical blackout. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Nominated by Departure– (talk · give credit)
Created by Drdpw (talk · give credit)
Updated by Tavantius (talk · give credit), Aviationwikiflight (talk · give credit), Quxyz (talk · give credit), Quake1234 (talk · give credit) and LemonJuiceIsSour (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Another nationwide blackout to add to 2024. Not sure if the blackout article needs to be updated for ITN, because it isn't. Departure– (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for the hurricane article and Oppose for the blackout Hurricane article needs to be updated with information on deaths. Blackout article contains only one sentence related to the hurricane. Also, I feel that the blurb should mention impacts across other countries as well and not only about Cuba. TNM101 (chat) 16:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per TNM101. There are fatalities so that should be the focus, the Cuba grid going down again is less significant overall. Masem (t) 17:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good, hurricane made landfall, there have been fatalities. It's impossible to separate out the blackout so that should also be tagged. Scuba 21:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is comprehensive and well-updated. Given the significant fatalities and the large-scale power outages across multiple countries, this event meets ITN criteria for prominence. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, nothing significant, only 8 deaths. Step hen 07:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Cannan

Article: John Cannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Lyddonian (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Once you start reading the article, it's hard to stop before reaching the end.

51.154.145.205 (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – That article makes for grim reading. Schwede 66 01:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Dempsey

Article: John Dempsey (footballer, born 1946) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, RTÉ Sport
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:44A0:8B74:9026:24BB (talk · give credit)
Updated by FrenchFootball (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English-born Irish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:44A0:8B74:9026:24BB (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose way too much unsourced content, and also for a career of 18 years, there should be more text. Also date of death is not well sourced (it was announced on 6 November, but source doesn't say that is date of death). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Date of death unverified. Needs more citations for career section. I have added verification tag for the article. TNM101 (chat) 13:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed lacking sources. Scuba 21:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Orange tagged and needs more citations. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) German ruling coalition collapse

Articles: Scholz cabinet (talk · history · tag) and 2024 German government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  German traffic light coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Following policy disagreement over the current economic crisis, the currently ruling coalition in Germany collapses.
Alternative blurb II:  The German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.
Alternative blurb III:  The German ruling coalition collapses over disagreements on economic policies.
News source(s): Politico New York Times CNN the Guardian euronews Washington Post the Telegraph France 24
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Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Coalition collapse in Germany is rare, I remember the last time was in 2005 (though it was a deliberately snap election called by the SPD-Greens coalition at that time). Also targeted articles need updates. Haers6120 (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have made 2024 German government crisis. Currently it is not ready to be a targetted article, and perhaps it should be merged into Scholz cabinet. Either way, I support in principle posting this. While we do not normally post government collapses, the present situation is very much unprecedented in Germany, and is receiving significant media coverage (if perhaps overshadowed by the US election). Gust Justice (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel it better merged into Scholz cabinet article, given that article lacks necessary updates so far. Haers6120 (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems the right approach. Not every separate event needs it's own article since you have to reestablish a lot of context for such cases. It might grow large enough into one in the future but in the immediate it should be merged (but still nominatable) — Masem (t) 22:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merge. The original blurb is fine with the links it has. Renerpho (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm about to update the article. I don't think it should be merged because the impact will probably extend beyond the coalition. Perhaps we can talk about a merge in the future. Killarnee (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contribution! :). I will update the blurb now. Haers6120 (talk) 05:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if that article gets expanded enough, I will highlight/re-targe it :) Haers6120 (talk) 05:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should be careful on such CRYSTAL claims, hence why it is better to keep these types of news events in context of a larger article. Should it truly be significant, establishing its own context, then a sepearate article can be made. Masem (t) 17:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the snap election is held and a new coalition (or whoever wins the election) is announced. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering how unusual this event is, I don't see why we should wait for that. Renerpho (talk) 03:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This will have a significant impact for the nation and globally. This event has a long history, with discontent since the last election and enormous resulting gains for radical parties. Waiting until the next (snap) election makes no sense, the vote of confidence must come first, and theoretically it could be that there is no snap election at all. But even if there were, the snap election would probably not be until March, which would be more than just a little wait and see what happens. Killarnee (talk) 05:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is the 2nd biggest story in most places right now. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a bit drowned by the US election, but major story still. Juxlos (talk) 14:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominate and support Altblurb1, I don't think the "Traffic Light Coalition" nickname mean much to anyone outside Germany.31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The main reason for the collapse is a disagreement about the budget. Grimes2 (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to update if you think it warrants a change. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I also feel that Alt1 is more suitable :) Haers6120 (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt1 Seems notable enough for a blurb and agree that "Traffic Light Coalition" is meaningless for anyone who doesn't follow the German Reichstag closely. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major political development in major democracy, in the news globally. Prefer altblurb as wording seems better. Also support the creation of the seperate article on the government crisis which could be linked if appropriate. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support 4th biggest economy in the world (according to our own information) having an economic crisis that causes government to collapse meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
is the announcement of asking for a confidence-vote in January 25 enough for ITN? the news besides this is, that our government doesnt have a majority anymore, because one of the three parties ruling left the federal government. User Kiril Simeonovski explained that pretty well (see a few comments below). LennBr (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, leaning towards alt blurb. Both are good, but I can't imagine that most people will understand what the traffic light coalition is. "The currently ruling coalition" is much better when it comes to general understanding. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion How about change original blurb by replace 'traffic light coalition' with 'ruling coalition'? (that will make the sentence concise)
such as 'German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.' Haers6120 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds more reasonable - though I'm not convinced that it's ITN. To many "traffic-light coalition" sounds more like a transportation issue, than politics. Nfitz (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah the term only makes sense if you are familiar with its usage in German politics. It's probably safer to avoid it for ITN. Gust Justice (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support This isn't just a single event, this is the culmination of the unrests and displeasure the German public has had with the current government (i.e. 2023–2024 German farmers' protests). rayukk | talk 19:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until the vote of no confidence takes place on 15 January 2025 (or earlier). Has anyone here read what really happened or you're guided by the delusive blurbs? From what I read in the German article, chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) announced that he had submitted the dismissal of finance minister Christian Lindner (FDP) to president Frank-Walter Steinmeier due to unbridgeable differences within the government coalition and that a vote of no confidence of his government will be held on 15 January 2025. In response to this, justice minister Marco Buschmann and education minister Bettina Stark-Watzinger from FDP announced their resignations, whereas transport minister Volker Wissing left FDP and stayed in the government. As a result, the cabinet was restructured so that state secretary Jörg Kukies (SDP) was appointed new finance minister, Volker Wissing additionally took over the Ministry of Justice and agriculture minister Cem Özdemir (The Greens) additionally took over the Ministry of Education and Research. The government coalition—now composed of SPD and The Greens—will serve as a minority government over the next two months. For now, this is just a restructuring of the cabinet, and its collapse is dependent on the vote of no confidence. It's highly likely that no confidence will be voted and the parliamentary election next year will be scheduled earlier, but the right time to post this is when that actually happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I would wait for the vote of no confidence to take place before blurbing. This is when the government would officially collapse. For now, it is officially just a change in the government members... Tradedia^talk 23:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would disagree with your assessment, as the FDP was completely kicked out of the coalition, leaving a minority government. I would say that that is sufficient. Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 19:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support any of the blurbs look good. Government collapse is a major event, especially for the world's third largest economy. Scuba 21:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support alt1. Highly notable event in one of the world's biggest economies. Hasn't happened since 1982. Blurb and alt2 are in the wrong tense. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add altblurb3 and propose change nominated article I fixed grammar error and ensure conciseness, also could we re-target to the article "2024 German government crisis" as it seems got expanded enough. Haers6120 (talk) 07:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb3 This is the best version. Grimes2 (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Spencer^T•C 05:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
post-post oppose: Just post a new ITN entry after the snap election. Coalition collapse is a routine process and an inherent part of democracy. It may not have happened in while in Germany, but so what? All I'm reading here is: "A democratic government exercises a common and conventional internal procedure as part of politics in a democratic government." I struggle to see how this is ITN worthy. spintheer (talk) 15:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 5

Portal:Current events/2024 November 5

November 5, 2024 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
  - Refugee camp airstrikes in the Israel–Hamas war
    - At least 29 Palestinians are killed in Israeli airstrikes on several refugee camps across the Gaza Strip. (Reuters)
Russo-Ukrainian War
- Zaporizhzhian strikes
  - Six people are killed and at least 20 others are injured in a Russian missile strike on Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters)
Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- Thirty people are killed after an Israeli airstrike against a residential building in Barja, Lebanon. (AP) (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

2024 European floods
- 2024 Spanish floods
  - Spanish prime minister Pedro Sánchez announces a €10.6 billion (US$11.5 billion) aid package to families affected by the flooding in the country, primarily in the Valencian Community, including a package of €5 billion (US$5.5 billion) in state-guaranteed loans. (Al Jazeera) (La Nación)
At least five people, including two election poll workers are killed by flash flooding in the U.S. state of Missouri, caused by torrential rain. (CBS News)
Two Egyptian Air Force officers are killed when a helicopter crashes during a training exercise in Suez Governorate, Egypt. (Al Arabiya) (Egypt Independent)

International relations

Somalia–United States relations
- The United States and Somalia reaches an agreement to write off over $1.1 billion of Somalian debt. (Al Arabiya) (The EastAfrican)

Law and crime

English Channel migrant crossings
- A court in Lille, France, convicts 18 people, including nine in absentia, for participating in an international human smuggling network that transported migrants across the English Channel. The sentences range from two to fifteen years in prison. (Al Jazeera)
Seven men from the Saxonian Separatists group are arrested in Germany and another is arrested in Poland for plotting ethnic cleansing terrorist attacks and for plotting to take control of several areas of Saxony. (Al Jazeera)
Railway workers launch an eight-hour strike in Italy after a train manager was stabbed and critically injured on a train near Rivarolo Ligure, Genoa, yesterday. Several trains are canceled, with only 30% of services guaranteed. (Ansa)
Equatoguinean vice-president Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue warns that politicians caught having sex in their offices could face harsh consequences after a civil servant was caught having sex with multiple women while on the job. (BBC News)
The Personal Information Protection Commission of South Korea fines Meta Platforms ₩21.6 billion (US$15 million) for illegally collecting personal information on Facebook users and sharing it with advertisers. (AP)
French and Dutch police raid Netflix offices in Paris and Amsterdam as part of an investigation into tax fraud and unreported employment practices. (BBC News) (Deadline)
A Swedish court sentences Danish-Swedish politican Rasmus Paludan to four months in jail for inciting hatred against Muslims at two protests in 2022. (The Guardian)
Two Chinese nationals are shot by a security guard at a textile mill in Karachi, Pakistan. (ABC News)

Politics and elections

2024 United States elections
- 2024 United States ballot measures
  - Voters in several U.S. states vote on abortion rights on the ballot. Amendments are passed in Arizona, Colorado, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, and New York. (KCRA) (LGBT Nation)
- 2024 United States presidential election
  - U.S. citizens vote in federal, state and local elections, including the presidential election. (CNN) (USA Today)
  - Multiple hoax bomb threats linked to Russian email domains target polling places in U.S. battleground states. (Reuters)
- 2024 United States Senate elections
  - In New Jersey, Democrat Andy Kim defeats Republican Curtis Bashaw to replace former Senator Bob Menendez, making him the first Korean American to be elected to the Senate. (NBC News)
2024 Boeing machinists strike
- Boeing machinists vote to end the 53-day labor strike, agreeing to a 38% pay increase over four years. (The Seattle Times) (Reuters)
2024 Palauan general election
- Citizens of Palau vote for a President and members of the National Congress. (RNZ)
2024 Qatari constitutional referendum
- Qataris hold a referendum to amend the 2004 constitution, voting to strengthen the emir's political power and to abolish elections for members of the Consultative Assembly. (AP) (QNA)
Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse
- Thousands of protesters demonstrate in Novi Sad, Serbia, to protest the deadly collapse of a railway station canopy on Friday, leading to violent confrontations with police and vandalism of the city hall. (Reuters)
Protests against the firing of Yoav Gallant
- Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu dismisses defense minister Yoav Gallant following disagreements over the execution of the war in the Gaza Strip which subsequently results in nationwide protests. (The New York Times)

Science and technology

Fukushima nuclear accident
- A remote-controlled robot retrieves a piece of melted fuel from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, the first time a piece of melted fuel has been retrieved from a nuclear meltdown. (AP)
Researchers at Kyoto University in Japan launch LignoSat, the world's first wooden satellite constructed without screws or glue, into space. It will orbit Earth for six months. (DW)

RD: Taoreed Lagbaja

Article: Taoreed Lagbaja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died while serving as Nigeria's army chief. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready, needs more citations, especially the career section. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 21:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality. The entire five-paragraph Career section has only one reference. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kazuo Umezu

Article: Kazuo Umezu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

Nominated by SimonLagann (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Manga artist who influenced Junji Ito passed away a week ago at age 88. SimonLagann (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Was coming to nominate this, but will add while his death was on Oct 28, like many Japanese ppl, the death was only announced today, giving time for privacy and mourning by family and friends. --Masem (t) 04:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support if his works count as their own citations. If they do not count, then this is an oppose vote. Bremps... 05:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Works" section needs to be referenced. Schwede 66 01:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Lots of unsourced content in the "Works" section. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Asot Michael

Article: Asot Michael (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, homicide victim, serving Antiguan MP. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently orange-tagged. Schwede 66 01:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality. Orange tagged. Otherwise, the article looks ready. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sharda Sinha

Article: Sharda Sinha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Updated by Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article looks good and doesn't have any outstanding issues. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready as it's got an unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 01:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support now that DOB reference has been provided. Article is in good shape. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems good enough with DOB reference. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sammy Basso

Nominator close: Have confused months here, apologies. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Sammy Basso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Biologist, one of the longest-living progeria sufferers and advocate for and researcher into the disease. Article is in good shape, I added the infobox. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and suggest close Subject died on 5 October 2024 with the obit sourced on his page being dated as 10 October 2024. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2024 United States presidential election

Article: 2024 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
Alternative blurb II:  Donald Trump is elected President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
News source(s): New York Times USA Today CNN The Hill
Credits:

Nominated by Rager7 (talk · give credit)
Created by LavaBaron (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a defining event for politics and is obviously newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and close as way premature. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that this is premature, but don't see a need to close, as results will be announced in the next 36 hours. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait Until results have been officially projected. Also, should we post the results of the Senate/House races too? Also the article is tagged. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Until the results have been officially confirmed, which may take days, we're not posting this. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 1:07, 5 November 2024
Oppose as very premature. Have you ever seen ITN post a blurb like any of these proposals? Ask yourself why not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing A blurb is likely to be posted sometime soon so we should start discussion so that we're ready. For example, is the article quality and structure satisfactory or are there specific issues requiring attention? As many readers will already be looking for the article (over half a million yesterday), a link in Ongoing would be helpful.

Note that the article is already huge with over 10,000 words of prose and over 500 citations. Our focus should be on the lead and infobox as the main summaries. They could use a timetable with key dates for the polling and results as it currently just says that the inauguration is next year. Someone above says that we get the results in 36 hours. Is that right?

Note also that On this Day has Election Day (United States) as its lead item today.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb as written, post when there are results ITN should not have premature posts. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hold till we have projected results. Certain to be ITN/R as it will result in a change of head of state regardless of who wins This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, the blurbs are extremely vague and doesn't mean anything. Save the ITN nomination for when the results are in. Comment withdrawn due to update. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reopening the discussion The end is near. (Does anyone know if the Foreign Legion will take a 58 yo diabetic?) -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and added pics of both candidates to the image protection page. Spencer^T•C 06:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - it's pretty clear that Trump has been elected. We need some blurbs though. Nfitz (talk) 06:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing until major new outlets call a winner. Worldwide, everyone is watching. Banedon (talk) 06:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Decision Desk called the race, copied the blurb from 2016 as a starting point. Jumpytoo Talk 06:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As of this comment, the article needs updating including tense modifications and there is an NPOV tag which I suspect is in reference to the lead. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Wait~~ Only Fox has called it. AP, BBC and all the others haven't yet. When its confirmed by others, then we can post President Trump. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fox hasn't called it - half-an-hour after you wrote this. I just was on Fox, and it says 267. Nfitz (talk) 07:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support And with the fact twice-President Trump is now a foregone conclusion, I now support posting. As for the Senate thing, might it be prudent to wait to see if we can add the House to it as well? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support now Multiple sources^[1]^[2]^[3] have called the race for Trump. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC) MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Maybe we should mention Trump winning the popular vote, a feat the Republicans haven't achieved since 2004 and definitely a notable factor as it means a majority of Americans have voted for Trump rather than just members of the electoral college. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTFORUM

Support Wikipedia's editors lean very heavily into the far left, but this is getting ridiculous. Fox has already called the election, it's obvious what the outcome will be, stop stalling there's no point in it5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IP, we don't use Russian-funded media to call elections. We use reliable sources. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh im sorry I was born in the wrong country. I've thought supposed leftists were supposed to be anti-racist, but i guess that doesnt extend towards the wrong ethnicities

btw trump would be the worse option for russia if you think about it for more than a second but you'd need to not be an npc for that. 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that's enough. Please see WP:NOTFORUM. -Ad Orientem (talk) 07:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Russian IP being pro-Trump? How surprising *rolls eyes* AusLondonder (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Wait~~ per C of E. I'd like to see one more call to run this. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaaaaand that is it, PA was called by NBC and CNN. Support. Let's get this up. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously Trump has won, but I've just looked at CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, and BBC - and none have called it. Fox doesn't even seem to be airing election coverage. Nfitz (talk) 07:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I'm taking some liberties, but almost everyone has him at, what, 266, with Nebraska and Alaska among the outstanding. It's almost certain. We can wait, fair. But I doubt anything changes. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously - but don't say that NBC and CNN have called it, when they haven't. I still can't see Fox - it's just commercials forever. Nfitz (talk) 07:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NBC and CNN called PA. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major outlets are now calling it, there’s no point in further delay. Kcmastrpc (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's obvious now that Trump's back in, there's no way Harris can win at the moment. Aydo h8^[contribs] 07:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: AP just called Pennsylvania. Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And if my calculations are correct when Alaska gets called he'll have the necessary votes. And Alaska's not a battleground state so.... 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment should we mention the senate and congress races too in the blurb? NYtimes has "called" senate for the republicans arleady 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Pretty clear winner by now, like it or not. Hungry403 (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Most conservative (not in the right-wing sense) projections have placed Trump 3-4 votes away from securing a re-election. Harris would need to win every uncalled state despite most of them projecting a Trump victory (and includes Alaska which hasn't voted for a Democrat in 60 years). I'd rather take our chances with a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment at this point. PolarManne (talk) 07:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all reliable sources have called PA and GA. It's only a formality before they call Alaska - which would give Trump a win. I expect the call will go out before this ITN is posted. Juxlos (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for RSes to call 270. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support very clear that Trump win Tensa Februari (talk) 08:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Respected world leaders such as Volodymyr Zelenskyy have already congratulated Trump on his victory. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 08:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moral support – The 2024 United States presidential election article hasn't been updated to project a Trump win due to the RfC discussion requiring unanimous projections from an assortment of sources, which other than AP are arguably arbitrarily limited to traditional television news networks. ITN is not going to say anything which the article does not say, so we would have to follow the RfC consensus. But I trust Decision Desk HQ, and they have called the race for Trump, so it's a matter of time before the sources we require for race calls call the race for Trump. Here's to another 4 years of chaos, I'm afraid. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the standard for the article. This is in the news. And the headline on BBC is that "Donald Trump declares victory". Maybe that should be our headline too. Nfitz (talk) Nfitz (talk) 09:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for similar reasons outlined by feminist🩸 above - the article has not been updated to show who the winner is. For everyone above who has voted support - have you actually read the article before voicing your support? Chrisclear (talk) 08:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a little difficult to update when the article is fully protected. — hako9 (talk) 09:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I get it, but it's not like we've never posted an election without full results in the article, and with how things get "called", technically an official result isn't coming until after the calls. DarkSide830 (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, an official result doesn't come until January 6th. We shouldn't wait until then either. Nfitz (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Needs work Revisiting this now we're allowed to discuss it again, I just read through the current lead of the nominated article. This mainly covers Biden and Trump but has very little about Harris and doesn't even mention third party candidates like Kennedy. It should have more about the campaign events like the debates and polling swings and more about the actual voting results. The general history of Biden and Trump and their flaws is less directly relevant and needs trimming to make space for better election coverage.

But now I see that this work isn't going to get done in a timely fashion because the article is fully protected and so editing will slow to a crawl. This seems to be a major quality issue. ITN is supposed to "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource" and this locking shows it to be otherwise.

I was wondering whether Donald Trump might be the bold article in the blurb, to work around the locking. But that article needs work too. Its lead only seems to have one sentence about this election campaign and its result and so badly needs updating too.

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - alternative blurb that we can post now, and does appear to be the lead story on non-American news agencies. "Donald Trump Declared Victory in USA 2024 election". Nfitz (talk) 09:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is great, i think you should go with that. 5.44.170.181 (talk) 10:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Article needs to be properly put up to date on the results and events before being blurbed, which might take a while due to it being fully protected for now. Would support once done. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Usually, I would support posting election results right after the election, but I actually think it would be better to wait until Inauguration Day to post something like this. I will guarantee you that this will be nominated on January 20, so I think from now on, it's better to wait until inauguration day right when the president is sworn in. Interstellarity (talk) 10:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is definitely an interesting take. --Bongwarrior (talk) 10:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the only delayed postings are sometimes when the swearing-in is only days away. —Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. WI has been called for Trump almost unanimously. DarkSide830 (talk) 10:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wisconsin has been called in his favor, therefore he crosses 270 mark and I think it should be posted now with the Alt Blurb II. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that AP has called the election. Anarchyte (talk) 10:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: AP, ABC, CNN, NBC, and the BBC have all called it for Trump. Consensus among major news outlets has developed. PolarManne (talk) 10:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITNR and article is uo to par. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 11:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - why remove mention of the Republicans taking the Senate? --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was because of a discussion at WP:ERRORS. Natg 19 (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pull - we should wait until Inauguration Day to post this. Interstellarity (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? We always post election results, so don't know why Trump should be an exception. Natg 19 (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support - We just posted Maia Sandu's election as President of Moldova, which was undoubtably much smaller news than this. I see no reason to pull Donald Trump's election as President of the United States. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

Portal:Current events/2024 November 4

November 4, 2024 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Attacks on health facilities during the Israel–Hamas war
  - Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges
    - At least twelve Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip, including seven at the Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, North Gaza Governorate. (Al Jazeera)
- 2024 Israeli secret document leak scandal
  - Israel Police arrest a top aide to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu after opponents accused the aide of leaking allegedly false classified intelligence to prevent a potential Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal. (CNN) (BBC News) (The Times of Israel)
Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon
  - At least three people are killed in an Israeli attack on residential buildings in Ghazieh and Sidon, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- 2024 Kursk offensive
  - Ukraine says that its forces have engaged North Korean troops for the first time in Kursk Oblast, Russia. (The Independent)

Arts and culture

The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet, an unidentified song recorded from a German Norddeutscher Rundfunk station in 1984, is identified as "Subways of Your Mind" by the band FEX. (404 Media)

Disasters and accidents

2024 Almora bus accident
- At least 36 people are killed and 27 others are injured when a bus plunges into a gorge near Marchula, Uttarakhand, India. (The Indian Express) (ABC News)
At least ten people are killed in the eruption of Mount Lewotobi Lakilaki in Flores, Indonesia. (Al Jazeera)

International relations

Indonesia–Russia relations
- The Indonesian Navy and the Russian Navy begin their first ever joint military exercise in the Java Sea. (DW)

Law and crime

Women's rights in Iran
- The science and research girl
  - Amnesty International demands the release of Iranian university student Ahoo Daryaei, who was arrested after stripping to her underwear and marching through the Islamic Azad University campus in Tehran, Iran, on Saturday. (Sky News)
Four teenagers are injured, two critically, in a fight involving an axe on a RER train at the Ozoir-la-Ferrière station in Seine-et-Marne, France. The main suspect is later arrested at his home. (The Guardian)

Politics and elections

Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse
- Serbian Minister of Construction, Transport and Infrastructure Goran Vesić resigns and accepts responsibility for the deadly canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station on Friday. (DW)

RD: Barbara T. Bowman

Article: Barbara T. Bowman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:20DE:1757:E2C7:F003 (talk · give credit)
Updated by MusicFan05 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American early childhood education expert and co-founder of Erikson Institute. 240F:7A:6253:1:20DE:1757:E2C7:F003 (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced date of birth needs fixing. Schwede 66 01:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality - Two CN tags Anopisthograph (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bernard Marcus

Article: Bernard Marcus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Home Depot. I am posting this based on what CNN is saying but the day of the death may be off as its based on a company memo. Article has about a half dozen unsourced statements that need to be fixed. Masem (t) 13:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support because his company, Home Depot, is very notable and he was a Republican megadonor. The article could use some extra sources, but it merits RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JohnAdams1800: Notability is not a criterion for RD: Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 18:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Death date reliably sourced now.—Bagumba (talk) 06:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, no outstanding issues with sourcing as far as I can see. Article in good shape. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 21:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 01:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Murray Sinclair

Article: Murray Sinclair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Nominated by -insert valid name here- (talk · give credit)
Updated by F3ndot (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indigenous Canadian judge, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Comission. Article has some unreferenced statements, but is mostly good. Blurb might be warranted but I doubt he is a recognizable figure outside of Canada. -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready It's close, but there's a few areas where citations are needed. I'm not sure how ITN will rate the guy who chaired a genocide commission, arguably the most important commission in recent Canadian history. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It sure wasn't thrilled with the Pope's recent(ish) apology, but unanimously supported that first big unmarked graves discovery. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Sinclair was a very notable individual for his work and life in an often under-reported and lesser known part of Canadian society: Indigenous issues, both contemporary and historical. For the very reason that his name is not familiar to many, but is lauded by many organizations in his passing with statements, is exactly why it’s fitting for his passing to be nominated for ITN. That being said, the article had some issues at the beginning but with some TLC by a few contributors it's getting better cited claims and structure. —f3ndot ^{(TALK) (EMAIL)} 13:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape, obviously not anywhere near Feature quality, but certainly close to a good article. Murray Sinclair is probably the most significant Canadian to die this year. — Abebenjoe (talk) 19:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the majority would go with Donald Sutherland, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Murray Sinclair for sure should be recognized on Wikipedia's recent deaths. Aquick777 (talk) 01:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. There are 10 citation needed tags, some are for entire paragraphs without sources. Flibirigit (talk) 23:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality CN issues need to be resolved before posting. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Uttarakhand bus accident

Consensus to post will not develop. Step hen 22:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2024 Almora bus accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Tragic bus accident in Uttarakhand, India leaves 36 dead and 27 injured (Post)
Alternative blurb:  36 killed as bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India
Alternative blurb II:  A bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India, leaving 36 people dead and 27 people injured.
News source(s): The hindu Indianexpress Business today
Credits:

Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on Quality: Poor citation style and lack of content. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have expanded the article and converted many links into citations TNM101 (chat) 11:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided Notable, but a little bit short. Grimes2 (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Common occurrence. 2 a year for the past two years that have made it passed WP:N. Likely a few more that have not. Fact of life in such countries. 202.53.51.66 (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We're back to NOTNEWS territory problems again. Most road traffic accidents are not going to have any long tail of notability, and probably best to include on one of several lists we have that document such accidents. --Masem (t) 13:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on Notability but Wait on quality We posted the 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash, so there seems to be no reason not to post this. Maybe a bit of expansion will help TNM101 (chat) 15:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with TNM101 Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Without commenting on the ITN-worthiness of the item, I shall point out that the article is a stub, and we do not post stubs. Schwede 66 23:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is not ready and is calling this an accident which contradicts WP:NPOV Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In what conceivable way does calling this an accident breach NPOV? GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the point being made (not that I necessarily agree) is that it asserts, without evidence, that it was not a driver suicide, sabotage, etc. Bremps... 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accident implies that there was no precipitating human factor or fault resulting in the crash which is not for us to determine. Crash is simply the more accurate terminology and does not prematurely absolve anyone of fault. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see your point. However, RS such as the BBC are using 'accident'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Dreameditsbrooklyn's notion. I accept, however, that the use of "accident" is so common and engrained that it's hard to argue this point. Schwede 66 03:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, added altblurb2 as I feel neither of the current blurbs either contains proper clarification or objective tone. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. Though I do remember including a few of these in ITN in the past (must have been during slower news cycles). At that time the rationale was the number of deaths is significant and thereby fits notability criteria for ITN. But I do think WP:NOTNEWS applies here more strongly Schwinnspeed (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the type of article that we want to be promoting in an encyclopedia. I also opposed the previous bus accident item. Tradedia^talk 21:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not notable enough for ITN. It's a common occurrence, sadly. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD/blurb: Quincy Jones

Article: Quincy Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American record producer and composer Quincy Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 91 (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American music producer, among other roles. Article needs a bit of work but not far off. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality Article needs some ref work done. Seeing how he's won nearly 30 Grammys, had a major impact on the music industry that propelled the careers of several influential singers/musicians, I could see an argument for a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb but Oppose on quality. Transformative figure in his field and widely-recognised name beyond his industry. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb but not ready on quality. His name speaks for itself. Flibirigit (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it really doesn't, especially not on a global scale. Explain. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for RD Per above, this is a widely-recognized name that speaks for itself, making the other twelve proposed words extra. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should never be relying on fame or household name for any aspect. That is feeding the systematic bias. We should assume readers on the front page do not know who these people are. — Masem (t) 13:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By that logic, we'd describe the other six RDs, which we don't. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose now on quality for any posting. Now, here's a person I'd think be worthy of a blurb, but at this point Oppose blurb because the article currently lacks the type of clear summary of why he's a legacy in the music business, though that likely can be fixed to improve it. We need to avoid hand-waving claims of importance and make sure the article has established that through sourcing. Its just not doing that right now, which is part of the quality issue as well. --Masem (t) 13:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD citations needed, and article needs work, also oppose blurb Scuba 15:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Seriously, guys? Textbook OLDMANDIES. Not a serving politician. Certainly not a household name. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurbs aren't reserved for serving politicians and he is very much a household name. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since ITN is for news events, a death should only be blurbed if the death itself is a news event; a serving politician dying is notable in and of itself because it has repercussions for the gov't in question. Moreover, I don't know where you're from but I'd never heard of him. Nelson Mandela he was not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is not for news events. It is to feature quality articles that are in the news. If you want news events, read Wikinews. — Masem (t) 12:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree on Quincy Jones being a household name, while I agree he's a major figure in the recording industry, he's far from a household name, such as how your average human anywhere in the world is far more likely to know who Musk or Zuckerberg is. I hadn't even heard of him before his death. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 09:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as a highly relevant person in his field. However, the article does not seem to be ready. Hopefully it'll get fixed soon. RD is fine anyway. Bedivere (talk) 03:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose blurb, notable individual, but not on par of that of a head of state. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The article is unfortunately full of dead refs (and it is restricted from being edited, so can't even try to fix them) 51.154.145.205 (talk) 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I "fixed" the remaining dead link, instead tagging it as unreliable for using TV.com (WP:RSP). Protection isn't the culprit, its the actions of certain unregistered users that compelled it. Registration has its benefits. —Bagumba (talk) 04:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb on notability - Famous in the West in the 1960s, even played in communist Yugoslavia, in addition to facts pointed out above. I'd say a cut above OLDMANDIES or even SERVINGPOLDIES. Daß Wölf 18:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral on blurb. Very influential in his field, but perhaps not a "household name"? In any case, wait on posting, as there are many cn tags and other ref issues. -insert valid name here- (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD - This debate on RD/blurb will prevent Jones from appearing entirely on ITN. Let's get the RD up there before it goes stale, which would be absurd. --Varavour (talk) 09:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD but Oppose on quality Article has multiple cn tags. Filmography section has a tag. That needs to be addressed before it is posted. TNM101 (chat) 10:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose RD. Article currently has six CN tags. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 3

Portal:Current events/2024 November 3

November 3, 2024 (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
  - Siege of North Gaza
    - More than 50 children are killed in Israeli airstrikes in Jabalia in northern Gaza in the past two days. (Al Jazeera)
  - At least 31 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, primarily in northern Gaza, according to Palestinian medics. (Reuters)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Eastern Ukraine campaign
  - Pokrovsk offensive
    - The Russian Ministry of Defense and Ukrainian military news site DeepStateUA report that Russia has captured the settlement of Vyshneve in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, with Russian troops advancing towards Hryhorivka to the west. (Reuters)
Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes
  - Dozens of people are killed in a series of Israeli airstrikes on over two dozen settlements in the Beqaa Valley in Lebanon. (Al Jazeera)
- Three people are killed and nine others are injured in Israeli airstrikes in Sidon, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera)
Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir
- At least eleven people are injured in a grenade explosion caused by an unknown militant group in a flea market in Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir, India. (Reuters)
- Three rebels are killed and four security personnel are injured during two separate shootouts in Anantnag district, Jammu and Kashmir, India. (AP)
Naxalite–Maoist insurgency
- Two police officers are injured in a stabbing attack by Naxalite insurgents in Sukma, Chhattisgarh, India, with their weapons being stolen. (Indian Express)
Somali Civil War
- Three people are killed and several others are injured when Al-Shabaab fires several mortar shells into the Halane base camp in Mogadishu, Somalia. (The Eastleigh Voice) (Horseed Media)

Disasters and accidents

Fourteen people are killed and 34 others are injured in a lightning strike at the Palabek Refugee Settlement in Lamwo District, Uganda. (AP)
A truck plunges into a ravine in Morona-Santiago Province, Ecuador, killing ten people. A 3-year-old girl is the sole survivor of the crash, according to police. (AP)

Health and environment

Air pollution in Lahore
- The air pollution in Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan, reaches a record-high air quality index score of 1,900, with the Punjab government ordering a mandatory closure of all primary schools for one week, blaming stubble burning for the poor air quality. (BBC News) (Geo News) (NDTV)

Politics and elections

2024 Moldovan presidential election
- Moldovans vote for a President in the second round of the presidential election. (The Guardian)
- Incumbent President Maia Sandu wins reelection, defeating former Prosecutor General Alexandr Stoianoglo amid allegations of Russian interference. (Euronews) (Reuters)
Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse
- Hundreds of activists engage in demonstrations in Belgrade, Serbia, to protest state corruption and negligence by Serbian officials which lead to the deadly collapse of a canopy at the Novi Sad railway station on Friday. (Reuters)
2024 Spain floods
- Protestors pelt the King and Queen of Spain, Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, and Valencian President Carlos Mazón with objects and mud and boo them as "murderers" during their visit to Paiporta, Valencia. Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez is evacuated from the area after being hit with a shovel. (Levante) (AP) (BBC News)

Sports

2024 Japan Series
- In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series in six games, capturing their third championship and their first since 1998. (NHK)
2024 New York City Marathon
- Somali-Dutch distance runner Abdi Nageeye wins the 53rd New York City Marathon men's race with a time of 2:07:39. Kenyan distance runner Sheila Chepkirui wins the women's race with a time of 2:24:35. (The New York Times)

(Posted) 2024 Moldovan presidential election

Article: 2024 Moldovan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova, defeating Alexandr Stoianoglo in the runoff.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Super Dromaeosaurus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Not much to be said except that it's a significant election. BastianMAT (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Obviously a major story, and ITNR. As an aside, the BBC needs to get a less compromised Chisinau correspondent; they're still reporting Stoianoglo is ahead while other sources are saying Sandu has won; they did the equivalent with the referendum too. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They've flipped now. But still, if I had a nickel for every time this year the BBC wrongly called a Moldovan national poll for the pro-Russian choice, I'd have at least two nickels. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support thus concludes the story of these elections and referendum, that international media have presented as a choice between the West and Russia (hence the relevance of this result). Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support ITN/R, and besides some results still needing to trickle in the article looks good. Amazing that Moldova was able to just power through Russian interference. Scuba 22:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support because it's a major event, with her victory being considered pro-EU, compared to her pro-Russia opponent. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Japan Series

Article: 2024 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. (Post)
News source(s): NHK
Credits:

Nominated by Departure– (talk · give credit)
Created by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Updated by Torsodog (talk · give credit), RingoSB (talk · give credit) and Kboybaseball1994 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I can't comment on quality as I am not versed in baseball, but this is ITN/R and a concluded event. I will say this is more likely to be posted than many of the other stories that have appeared on ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. You're excellent for everyone. Kboybaseball1994 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support good quality article, ITN/R. We recently posted the World Series and this is just as prestigious. –DMartin 19:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Just as prestigious as the World Series, and much more accurately named. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good, can we get the game 6 MVP in as an image? Scuba 22:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Monkey business

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Consensus to post will not develop. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Infinite monkey theorem (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The expected life of the universe has been shown to be insufficient time for monkeys to produce the works of Shakespeare (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Franklin Open, New Scientist, The Times
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Updated by pete unseth (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is peer-reviewed science and is getting good mainstream coverage. The conclusion was already well covered by our article and our advanced primates are already on the job of expanding it. It's interesting to find that actual experiments have been done and that one trouble seems to be that the results are not random -- one result was a systemic bias to the letter S, which limits the possibilities. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This isn't a new discovery; it's a confirmation of something already well-known. Our own article Orders of magnitude (numbers) has the probability that a monkey will type the works of Shakespeare starting at any given input as the very smallest number it mentions, at approximately 10^−183,800. The reciprocal of that number is unimaginably greater than the age of the universe measured in Planck time units. The infinite monkey theorem was formulated to illustrate a point about infinity, so it shouldn't be a surprise that even very large finite quantities encountered in reality are insufficient. This is largely an exercise in the innumeracy of science journalists. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose per above. Anyone could have calculated this, myself included, given enough time (or not, given the results of this calculation). It isn't a new element of math which we'll reference for years to come, it's just putting to bed an old figure of speech. Sensationalism at its finest. Departure– (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Fun story, but as others said I feel like this thought experiment has already been explored, there wouldn't be enough time before thermodynamic stasis in the universe for a monkey to randomly type out Shakespeare. Some interesting conclusions but this is more for DYK than ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per GenevieveDEon. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this study basically remove the "infinite" aspect of the thought experiment? That to me seems to undermine its relevance to the topic. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does. (There's also a degree of subtlety in the original theorem, around the term almost certain, which is of interest.) This research is basically saying that it really does have to be infinite, or at least completely out of scale with the entire known universe, for the result to apply. But as I noted in my original !vote, we knew that, and already had it documented here on Wikipedia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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November 2

Portal:Current events/2024 November 2

November 2, 2024 (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
  - 2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic
    - Six people are injured, including two children, in an Israeli strike on a polio vaccination centre in northern Gaza as the World Health Organization vaccination campaign resumes with its second phase. (Al Jazeera)
Safety of journalists
- UNESCO reports that the killings of journalists worldwide increased by 38% in 2022–2023, compared to the two previous years, equating to one journalist killed every four days. (DW)
Somali Civil War
- At least two people are killed and several others are injured in fights between two Somali security factions in Hodan District, Mogadishu, Somalia. (Caasimadda Online) (Hiiraan Online)

Disasters and accidents

2024 European floods
- 2024 Spain floods
  - The death toll from the flooding in Spain, primarily in the Valencian Community, increases to 214, with dozens still missing. The Spanish government deploys an additional 5,000 soldiers and 5,000 police officers, making this the country's largest deployment of army and security personnel in peacetime. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera)
Four people are killed and 17 others are injured when a truck crashes into several stopped vehicles on Interstate 96 near Webberville, Michigan, United States. (AP)

Politics and elections

2024 Bolivia protests
- The government of Bolivia accuses supporters of former President Evo Morales of detaining and holding more than 200 soldiers hostage during protests against the sitting Luis Arce government. (El Diario) (DW)
2024 Botswana general election
- Duma Boko is sworn in as the President of Botswana following his victory over the former ruling Botswana Democratic Party in the general election last week. His party, the Umbrella for Democratic Change party, wins the majority in the National Assembly with 36 seats. (Al Jazeera) (Mmegi)
2024 Conservative Party leadership election
- Kemi Badenoch is elected leader of the United Kingdom's Conservative Party, following the resignation of Rishi Sunak. (The Guardian)
2024 Mozambican general election
- The death toll from police gunfire during crackdowns on protests of the October 9 election increases to eleven. (Al Jazeera)

(Posted) RD: Paul Stephenson

Article: Paul Stephenson (civil rights campaigner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
Updated by RockRiverTree (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British community worker and civil rights activist. Article is GA. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Could only find one significant unsourced statement which I’ve added a reference to. yorkshiresky (talk) 12:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I changed a couple of inline refs into footnotes. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 12:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 23:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dub Jones

Article: Dub Jones (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], Cleveland Browns
Credits:

Nominated by Wizardman (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player whose article is a GA. Source isn't the strongest right now but more should arrive in the next couple hours. Wizardman 17:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Death is now being reported by main news sources. Natg 19 (talk) 23:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Meets quality requirements, is a GA.—Bagumba (talk) 17:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

European floods

Article: 2024 European floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by roncanada (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Could slowly become one of the worst natural disaster in recent European history, if not already. --Roncanada (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose This is a string of unrelated weather events, though reasonable to cover as a single article, but it is not like this is one long flood that is affecting more and more people daily. We posted the Spain floods, but there's no indication that system is continuing to create floods elshewer. --Masem (t) 16:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Masem and the fact that the majority of the floods happened weeks apart 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per above. The European floods are only related insofar as they are all a result of climate change; they are not a singular ongoing event receiving frequent updates. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not a singular event. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak

Consensus to post will not form. --Tone 19:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kemi Badenoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak as the leader of the Conservative Party. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Pretty notable shift in British politics. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support New head of government. I'd argue this is ITN/R. Forgot Starmer was head of government now. Oppose for now, we didn't post Starmer coming to power before Labour's majority that made him PM (April 2020, didn't even get nominated), even when he was head of opposition, so I'd argue that when the same happens to the Conservative party it isn't any more notable. Departure– (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that it wasn't nominated at all. I reckon this is a large change nonetheless though, and notable enough to be ITN. It feels like ITN sometimes misses some pretty important nominations. Would've been great if it was nominated back then so we could've gotten opinions on headlines like this, but I'm nominating it to see what the people here at ITN think. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For a more recent opinion, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2023#January 3 had the 2022 US midterms concluding with Hakeem Jeffries becoming House minority leader, again a change of leadership of the second largest party in one of the world's most important institutions. That itself was not nominated (only the election as a whole was), and despite Jeffries being the first African American US house party leader (comparable to Badenoch being the first Black woman leader of a major UK party), Jeffries is only mentioned in a single reply in that entire thread. A new minority leader in a democracy, failing being a very major first larger than what Jeffries and Badenoch are, isn't an item for ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case though, I don't think the comparison is that equal. To be the minority leader of the House of Representatives isn't the equivalent of being the party leader or the candidate for president (or prime minister if you will). A more appropriate comparison would be if Kamala Harris was replaced with another candidate instead. Do you not think that would be appropriate for ITN in that case? TwistedAxe [contact] 15:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was an ITN discussion when Kamala replaced Biden for the presidential nominee back in August and that went nowhere. Only Biden's withdrawl was posted, and that was notable because he had secured enough delegates to be the next nominee. The differences between the US and UK political systems make this a tough comparison. Departure– (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like the withdrawal was posted because it was a notable event, yes, but also because it was kind of obvious and covered his replacement by Harris. It would be redundant to post 2 separate ITN noms that more or less cover the same subject. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support In a democratic system, the leader of the opposition is an important post. A major change in British politics. Grimes2 (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose How many party leaders have the conservative party had for the last several years? But seriously, if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system. It doesn't make sense to me. Yakikaki (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does it matter if the Conservative party has had alot of party leaders the past few years? And to answer the second statement, do you really not think the UK is a major democratic nation? I'd argue as a non-Brit myself that the UK exerts a massive amount of influence over other countries in the region and globally. Obviously the leadership of a country like that will also affect other countries? TwistedAxe [contact] 16:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you misunderstand Yakikaki's comment. They are not saying that the UK is not democratic. if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system means that they do not want to make a precedent to have an ITN entry for party leader changes for any country that has a "democratic" governmental system (this could in theory refer to any country that has elections, whether rigged or fair). Natg 19 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Leader change of a political party is not suffifciently significant and I imagine would not be nominated for any other country. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support My general philosophy is, "if it's an interesting occurrence that is in the news and getting widespread coverage, then post it". This rings true here. To put it bluntly, Badenoch becoming leader is more newsworthy than Starmer becoming leader because she is the first Black person to lead a major British political party. Flip^and Flopped ツ 17:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An internal party leadership election is more notable than the first change in government in one of the world's largest economies in 14 years? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is an internal party matter. Sunak is not head of government any more, and Badenoch may well never be. We have a lot of actual national elections currently nominated or coming up, and this just isn't in the same league. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Yakikaki, right now Badenoch's highest office is simply the leader of the opposition. We don't tend to remark much on party leadership changes in non-ruling parties. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there have been many Leader of the Opposition (United Kingdom). Grimes2 (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nom per above. While undoubtedly a significant event in UK politics, AFAIK we have never posted the election of an opposition leader. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Speaking from the UK this is a major political development, but not enough for international news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This seems like a very one country specific story. I'm not aware of any precedent for posting non-government political party leadership changes. Quite a few people here even opposed posting a change in head of government of France. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Another one of those stories we would never nominate if it hadn't happened in an English-speaking country. We could find equal coverage in those countries when Spain, Germany, Italy etc. elect a new opposition leader, just it would be niche news in the Anglosphere. Curiously, I looked up whether Jeremy Corbyn was nominated in 2015 (a much bigger internal ideological shift) and it was just as opposed for the same reason. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is not a change of head of state or government, or involving an incumbent. This is just an internal party leadership change.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Janey Godley

Article: Janey Godley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Launchballer (talk · give credit)
Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I have never nominated anything here before so forgive me if I'm missing something. I've given this a fairly robust copyedit - what else does this need? Laun chba ller 13:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article in good condition. Good work. Grimes2 (talk) 13:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nothing wrong with the quality of this article. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Good work, Launchballer. Schwede 66 04:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cassius

Article: Cassius (crocodile) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Count Iblis (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - A squirrel and a crocodile, wonder what's next PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now, there's more information on the crocodile's last months that's out there that should be added to the article first. Departure– (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Article body is three sentences long. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is currently a stub, and we don't post stubs. Schwede 66 04:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As a stub. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 1

Portal:Current events/2024 November 1

November 1, 2024 (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hamas war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
  - Siege of North Gaza, Gaza famine, Israeli generals' plan
    - The United Nations declares the situation in northern Gaza as "apocalyptic", with the entire Palestinian population there at "imminent risk of dying from disease, famine and violence" due to Israeli bombardments and aid blockage. (Reuters)
- 2024 Israeli secret document leak scandal
  - Arrests have been made over suspected leaks of classified documents, involving an official closely associated with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. (The Times of Israel)
Somali Civil War
- Puntland–Somaliland dispute
  - Las Anod conflict
    - At least ten people, including four civilians, are killed and fifteen others are injured in battles between Somaliland and Khatumo State forces in the Cayn and Togdheer regions. (Horseed Media) (Hiiraan Online)
2024 Bolivian protest
- An "irregular armed group" captures a Bolivian military base near Cochabamba, Bolivia, kidnapping military personnel and seizing weapons from the base. Bolivian president Luis Arce says that the group are affiliated with former president Evo Morales. (CNN) (DW)
Insurgency in Balochistan
- At least nine people are killed and 29 others are injured in a bombing near a girls' school in Mastung, Balochistan, Pakistan, targeting a polio vaccination drive. (Al Jazeera)
Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- Israeli naval commandos launch a raid in northern Lebanon. Lebanese media says it was carried out in coordination with the German Navy to prevent the Lebanese Navy from interfering. (The Times of Israel)

Business and economy

The People's Republic of China revises its regulations for foreign investors in its listed companies, seeking to attract more such investment by expanding eligibility criteria and easing financial requirements. (CNBC)

Disasters and Accidents

2024 European floods
- 2024 Spain floods
  - The death toll from the floods in Spain, primarily in the Valencian Community, increases to 205, with several others still missing. (BBC News) (AP)
Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse
- Fourteen people are killed and three others are injured when a canopy collapses at the railway station in Novi Sad, Serbia. (ABC News)

Law and crime

Human traffickers deliberately capsized a boat carrying migrants off the coast of Comoros en route to Mayotte, killing 25 people. Five others are rescued alive. (Al Jazeera)
Thieves steal two paintings from Andy Warhol's Reigning Queens collection and damage two others at the MPV Gallery in Oisterwijk, North Brabant, Netherlands. (AP) (De Telegraaf)
Three people, including a local leader of the Santa Muerte religious movement, are killed and eight others are injured in a mass shooting in León, Guanajuato, Mexico. (AP)

Politics and elections

2024 Botswana general election
- Botswana's ruling party, the Botswana Democratic Party, concedes defeat in Wednesday's election, ending its 58-year rule. (Reuters)
Kenyan Interior Minister Kithure Kindiki is sworn in as Deputy President of Kenya after the High Court lifted an order that prevented Kindiki's swearing-in yesterday. (AP)

(Review needed) RD: Alastair Down (journalist)

Article: Alastair Down (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English horse racing journalist. Thriley (talk) 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peanut the squirrel

Article: Peanut (squirrel) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 09:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Count Iblis (talk) 12:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the squirrel isn't notable enough to get attention In the News. Rager7 (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rager7, please look again. International news and coast-to-coast in the U.S. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a day or so. Secretlondon (talk) 13:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rager7, this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose the article does not demonstrate the subject's notability. Regardless of whether or not the ITN rule of "all RDs are notable" is in effect I'd still oppose on quality; demonstrating notability is a pretty big part of the 'quality' in posted RD articles that we do have a say in. This village pump discussion stated that social media followers aren't used to justify notability alone, and beyond that the squirrel's only claim to fame is being euthanized which is by no means unusual. If and when the article gets more significant coverage, let me know and I'll change my vote, but this article was created just now and the headlines might have some sensationalism in their motives. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ Support Because of formal reasons. Article is too short. Grimes2 (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article was created today (so we can question notability here), and ignoring the last few days of news burst coverage, I'm not finding much to demonstrate that there was notability to start with. A few articles here and there but not from very strong sources. --Masem (t) 13:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Removing my Oppose since the article was kept and we have that ITNRD practice. But consider this a non support abstain, as I think this whole situation is the epidemic problem with editors failing to follow NOTNEWS and being able to distinguish what is appropriate for an encyclopedia and what is sensalist news content. Masem (t) 15:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and redirect to New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.--Laun chba ller 13:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an argument for a deletion discussion on the target page. Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD. Departure– (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although a stub the page is well sourced, and the controversy surrounding this death has been internationally covered. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an example of how a burst of news is not equivalent to notability per WP:N and WP:NEVENTS. Unless there was significant coverage before the death, then this is not a notable topic for WP. Masem (t) 15:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, please reconsider, as the squirrel is getting international coverage now mainly because it has been an internet star for years. A notable topic, and worthy of notice in RD. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How much significant coverage is there of the pre-death facets? Yes, was famous on TikTok but the articles that I am seeing do not going much more beyond that. That's not notable for our purposes. — Masem (t) 00:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Article is a stub and nominated for deletion. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ - Subject is not notable, story is not headline news, one of the main news references given is an admitted hoax, and the article is at AfD. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Decent RS. ~ HAL333 (VOTE!) 23:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major news item, many people will come here looking for information about it. Dream Focus 00:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a newspaper, though. If you want to see this posted you can participate in the deletion discussion. Departure– (talk) 00:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support a national tragedy. Scuba 02:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously??? Masem (t) 02:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Why is it always the gamers and anime nerds who want to censor things here? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not censorship to say that the death of two small animals is not a national tragedy. It's a plain statement of fact. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the deaths are not the crux of the story. The government signing a search warrant to raid the homes of people with a non rabid squirrel to kill it based off one random internet complaint is the story. How do all of you super editors not get that? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then as Launchballer suggests, this doesn't belong in a biography of the squirrel (or the raccoon), but in New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Do you redirect murder victim pages to the murders biography? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for the reviewing admin: The page is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut (squirrel) on notability grounds, and arguments are split roughly between "keep / significant reliable source coverage" and "delete / sensationalist and otherwise not notable". Consensus is not overwhelming towards one side or the other at the moment. Departure– (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are we looking at the same AfD? It should be closed per Snow, as there is no chance of deletion with the sources which have been added. You opened it after saying above "Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD.", so the argument could easily be made that you opened the AfD mainly to keep the topic away from RD, which is why a snow close would at least bring the topic back here for a timely decision and not stop it via the AfD route. But, importantly, you also said that if you saw more significant coverage you would change your vote, and much coverage has been added since, so, who knows? Randy Kryn (talk) 03:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did start the AfD to keep it from RD, I will admit that here. I wouldn't have started the AfD had I not, in good faith, believed the subject was not notable enough for a Wikipedia article, with reasons and policy to back it up. Many of the votes were all keep but they all ignored that the main point was against sensationalism which a few others, including Masem, an administrator, have supported. "Significant coverage" in my eyes means that the coverage clearly demonstrates why the subject is notable, which I have yet to see. What I do see is a lot of articles stating the same, non-notable facts again. Also, this reply appears to me to be moreso an attempt at catching me in a fallacy than it is proving the point that the RD should be posted, and I'd advise against that. Comment on content, not contributors. Departure– (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no "catching" involved, just hoping the AfD closes soon so that this discussion has at least a chance at passing or failing without the roadblock (does that happen often here?, the AfD-defense). The only fallacy would be if you come to the point of seeing enough significant coverage and didn't change your vote. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD any "person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post", the article, while nominated for deletion, will obviously be kept based on the existing consensus. Article is good quality and this is a relatively high-profiles scandal. Neutral on blurb at this point, but probably would've supported one had it been proposed closer to the event. –DMartin 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please take unrelated political discussion to the couvent de l'Annonciation. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs

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Overthrow the government. 2607:FEA8:929C:A100:288A:44F7:A7CD:CC63 (talk) 04:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am perplexed by the political slant of a lot of the drive-by commentary on this case. See also: [4]. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A government agnecy went to a private citizens house, seized his pets and killed them because of a complaint to a government agency from a person who doesn't even live there and you're confused as to why people are upset about government overstepping?

Are you being serious? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm serious that 'overthrow the government' is ridiculously hyperbolic in a case of overreach by a local animal control agency. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a state agency and again, it was a trained house pet. Are you even American? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does another editor being American or not matter? Comment on content, not contributors, please! Departure– (talk) 14:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because american government oversight is why the story is notable. So yes, an editor not being american or living in america would struggle to understand why americans are so up in arms about this. It is not about the squirrel, it is about what the squirrel represents. How do you continue to not understand this? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The argument needs to be made in sufficiently objective terms that a non-American can understand it. We never restrict participation in these debates on the basis of the location or nationality of the participants, and we're not about to start for the sake of a squirrel. Other places have governments, people in other countries have pets, and other nations' and regions' government agencies have, and abuse, all kinds of powers including with regard to pets and livestock. I am fully capable of considering those situations in places other than my own. There's nothing magical about America; it just happens to be where this case occurred. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that was the case, why are there articles about animals like Harambe, only made famous by their death at the hands of the government?

You will never be able to justify deleting entries that users of Wikipedia want. You should learn what the word editor means because it doesn't mean gatekeeper. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not American; but I am British, and my instinct outside the US context is to use 'state' to mean 'nationally-run', which is the usual sense here in the UK. I was using 'local' as a contrast to 'national' or 'federal'. And none of that has any bearing on the fact that the political rhetoric here and elsewhere about this case is absurdly hyperbolic. Let's see people get this worked up about, say, maternal mortality in the US. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure family values are a main talking point in the US right now. Again, if you lived in the USA, you'd know this. I have a feeling the reason you want this deleted is much more political than you will admit. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please play the ball and not the man. Your feelings about my motives are irrelevant. The article itself doesn't say anything about the political overtones of the case. In fact, if a reliable source can be found which adds that detail to the article, I think it would go a lot further to demonstrating notability. If that were done, then this entire discussion would be moot, because it would meet the RD criteria automatically. But I'm also not sure what squirrels and raccoons have to do with family values. That seems to be somewhat out of left field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb As the death is the story. Reminds me of Freya who was posted at ITN and now has a substantial statue. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb, obviously, and let this stand as another example of Andrew's deeply unserious and unhelpful approach to posting at ITNC. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have an issue with Andrew and his approach, ITNC is not the place to air it. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GenevieveDEon: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 21:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree that Andrew's approach to ITN seems to be deliberately disruptive. He opposed posting a blurb for a national referendum on EU membership in Moldova, but supports a blurb for the death of a previously non-notable squirrel? Could anyone show a better example of systemic Anglosphere bias? AusLondonder (talk) 03:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb massive human interest story where onerous government regulation and dehumanization is front and center. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think dehumanisation is particularly at stake in a case where the only casualties are a squirrel and a raccoon. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, your opinion here sucks and shows a clear lack of empathy and compassion. ~~I hope the government kills your dog.~~ Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't hope that, I'm just using it to illustrate a point (in a couple different ways). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am perplexed at your vehemence, as well as your position. 'It sucks' is no more a rebuttal than 'I wish harm on you or your pets'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've already explained that I don't wish any harm upon your beloved fur babies, so I'm sorry you feel that way. My intention was to invoke the humanizing aspect of this story. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD The culling by the authorities was correct. The squirrel bit a person, so the test for rabies was necessary. Should be mentioned in the article. Grimes2 (talk) 14:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the person was not bit, they were wearing gloves that squirrels cannot bite through. This is why the article is needed, correcting the misinformation. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose both blurb and RD per above. If it was located anywhere else this wouldn't even be a conversation. Wizardman 14:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No blurb is proposed in the nomination (and comments about a blurb just show the depth of commitment that this death is worth an RD), and what does 'located anywhere else' pertain to? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support This is one of the largest news events for the past couple of days, and has significant implications regarding government overreach, misallocation of government resources, and animal rights. --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This just isn't true. The Spanish floods (and the subsequent heckling of the King), the Novi Sad roof collapse, and the Tory party leadership result (correctly rejected above), are all much bigger stories. This is a flash in the pan. This is someone's fifteen minutes of fame, no more and no less, and we're not obliged to participate in that circus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

none of those things reached north American news cycles. By your own metrics, that means they aren't relevant. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be claiming that by my standards, the death of a squirrel in New York is more important than the death of over a dozen people in Serbia. I can assure you that's not what I meant. You seem to be new here - as do several other participants in this discussion - so I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's standards before you make absurd assertions about relevance. (The Spanish story is near the top of the CNN homepage right now, so your claim about US news cycles is also plainly false.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@64.229.210.77: Your comment that the major Spanish floods did not reach the "north American news cycles" is a complete fabrication and does not reflect well on your arguments nor your news consumption. AusLondonder (talk) 03:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Shouldn't even be an article, pure WP:NOTNEWS. Anyone who has posted that this is a major worldwide news story needs to have a serious word with themselves. Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should brush up on RD, deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Peanut is an animal, with an article that died recently, therefore is important enough to post an RD. Scuba 16:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion." Peanut's article is currently nominated for deletion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for informing someone who has been here 17 years and is a regular on this page what the rule says. I'm pointing out that I don't believe there should be an article, though it appears that most of the people at the AfD appear to believe that a few news stories are equivalent to notability... Black Kite (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was created yesterday, so we are at a stage that we have to evaluate its notability. We've had this problem a few times before where a human being, not yet shown notable, only got coverage due to a accidental death (like getting into a drunk driving accident). --Masem (t) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD - No idea why people are starting deletion discussions in ITN. Also the story around this poor squirrel's death is causing significant media coverage, so this article absolutely deserves to stay. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder to everyone this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination. Any arguments that you would normally make for or against posting as a blurb are irrelevant. See WP:ITNRD. And no, the subject does not need to be human. The only requirements are that the subject has a Wikipedia page, and that the Wikipedia page is not in a miserable state. Disappointed that one of the oppose !voters admittedly only nominated the article for deletion to obstruct this RD nomination on the technicality that it cannot be posted to RD if it is currently nominated for deletion. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because the article was created the same day as the nomination, so its notability can be fully raised as an issue. It implies something along the lines of WP:BLP1E, which is not a reason for creation of a article, in addition to failing to show enduring coverage as required by WP:N and NEVENT. Masem (t) 21:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The government is a mindless and heartless killing machine... It's possible, Deputy Dawg, it's possible" - Musky Muskrat. Ah, the price of Wiki fame... created today, cremated tomorrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD We have posted other animals of similar significance and stature before, I think we posted an RD for a duck or something like that a while ago if I'm not mistaken. The story of how the squirrel was taken away is also pretty tragic. This should 100% be posted to RD, but shouldn't get a blurb. Hungry403 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nature or circumstances of death are not usually relevant. Provided the article is good enough, it's an RD like any other. I'm not sure if any animal has ever been given a blurb.... "outstanding in his field"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, the death of Knut (polar bear) was blurbed. Also the first hatching of wild white storks in the UK in 600 years was blurbed as a significant birth (as opposed to the usual deaths). It seems likely that there have been other animal blurbs as we have several horse races in ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for telling me. I must have missed that one 13 years ago. So maybe not a one-horse race after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support The entire thing seems quite ridiculous, but the relative inanity of a topic is not a condition of its newsworthiness. Our job is not to create an ideal news ecosystem, but to reflect the reality of the extant news ecosystem, as imperfect as that might be. The article seems adequately sourced. Chetsford (talk) 00:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support because it easily meets WP:ITNRD. Also topic ban anyone who is trying to change ITN here, rather than at the appropriate place. Nfitz (talk) 02:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because the article is at AfD without an overwhelming consensus to keep. AusLondonder (talk) 03:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to be misleading, User:AusLondonder. The "vote" is currently 47 Keep to 14 other (a mix of delete, drafify and redirect) - with increasing coverage, now that President Trump has become involved. Nfitz (talk) 04:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the issue. I wouldn't consider that "overwhelming". What Trump thinks is utterly irrelevant to me. AusLondonder (talk) 05:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was closed as a snow keep, User:AusLondonder. I'm afraid your oppose has been trumped! Nfitz (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah great. Mr Trump. That should swing it. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly demonstrating the great seriousness of the issues he's addressing in the final days of the campaign. I'm very keen to see some analysis as to why this case is such a cause celebre for the American right in particular. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the AfD has been closed as snow keep. ObserveOwl (talk) 12:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that the AfD has closed there's no question this article is up to ITNRD standards. Support. Departure– (talk) 15:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the RD standard is clearly met. I have struck my earlier oppose vote. (I still oppose a blurb, but I think it's clear there's no consensus for that anyway.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who thought it was a hoax? Asking for a friend. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to Trump's actual statement on the subject, there was a report of another statement falsely attributed to him. This found its way into the article (twice) and at the time of my earlier comment was a substantial part of the article text. That was the hoax I was referring to. The article has now greatly improved. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. First it's the squirrels... next it'll be the cows. Just wait and see! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where do I get the milk for my coffee, if all cows are euthanized? Grimes2 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"South of the Border", naturally. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support and marking as Ready for RD Article quality being the only criteria, it is ready to go. I note that pretty much all of the opposes are either based on the now closed AfD or WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I thought about posting it myself, but as I commented at the AfD, I will let someone else do it. FTR I Oppose Blurb. Subject does not pass the Mandela Thatcher Kissinger test and the incident itself, while garnering a great deal of coverage, is of minimal long term significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did he even pass that other test? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm quite sure the squirrel test is positive. Is this a case for national emergency? Grimes2 (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite rare for a squirrel to get rabies and there's never been a case of human transmission in the US. See stats. The racoon was a more plausible risk. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD now that the AfD has, predictably, closed as SNOW keep. The article is in good shape, and that is all that is needed to post to RD. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 22:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull it's now correctly orange tagged, so we should pull this. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not orange tagged. The brief tag was only about the form of execution that was used, which has no outcome on whether Peanut is dead or not. Nfitz (talk) 17:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rohit Bal

Article: Rohit Bal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, India Today
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk · give credit)
Updated by Tkp1987 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian fashion designer. 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality, has a cleanup tag on it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse

Article: Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In Serbia, a canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people and injures three others. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo - CNN - BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Updated by Alalch E. (talk · give credit), Family27390 (talk · give credit) and 46.44.158.42 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A structural collapse at the Novi Sad railway station has led to 17 casualties. Article is a bit stubby. — Knightoftheswords 04:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality but Support on significance Major accident. Article needs to be expanded a bit. TNM101 (chat) 05:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on significance. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on significance. It is a tragic accident but I fail to see the wider significance. Yakikaki (talk) 13:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality but Support on significance per TNM101. Flip^and Flopped ツ 17:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TNM101 and Flipandflopped: second look re quality?—Alalch E. 18:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks better now. There is still room for expansion but there is enough important information for ITN. Another note: some opposition parties have called for resignation of officials and Milorad Dodik (Bosnia and Herzegovina) also expressed condolences to the families and for some reason also to Vučić, so this could be added if I don't do it tomorrow. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on quality and significance.—Alalch E. 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Deadly disasters due to badly maintained public infrastructure are significant. Article is also in good shape now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sufficient information to get an impression, what happened in this disaster. Grimes2 (talk) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Major news story about an event with many casualties. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted I'm going to post this as soon as image protection has kicked in. Schwede 66 04:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Mayan city discovered

Article: Valeriana (Maya city) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The ancient Maya city of Valeriana, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche, and is called Valeriana.
Alternative blurb II:  An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, dubbed Valeriana, is discovered in Campeche.
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Updated by Aficionado538 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major archaeological discovery - second-largest Mayan city in the Yucatan, after Calakmul. Discovery was only announced this week. Khuft (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Surprising and impressive discovery. Article looks in good shape. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose on quality at the moment; everything's sourced but it isn't the length of an ideal ITN entry. Support on notability, as this is about as notable as archaeological discoveries get, in terms of things to be posted to ITN, as far as I'm concerned. Departure– (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support on quality, support on notability. Article is a much better length and well sourced, and the discovery itself is notable. Altblurb 2 proposed - Yucatan, Maya and Campeche all imply Mexico, so the country probably doesn't need to be specified, and also the name Valeriana is an invented term not used by the Mayans themselves. Departure– (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment only to note this is backed by a peer-review journal article, which is typically a requirement for posting anything from the sciences. --Masem (t) 18:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this is one of these cool science stories that should be featured. Perhaps modify the blurb to reflect the fact that Valeriana is a contemporary name and not the original name of the city (since some more known places actually have original names known). --Tone 19:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quite agree. Have suggested an alt blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support nice break from politics in ITN. Scuba 20:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality I'm not against posting this on its merits, but that's not really a quality article. For one, the peer-reviewed work is published as CC-BY-4.0, meaning we could be adding figures from the paper and more. Further, the news stories on this go into more detail about how this was more "by accident" and by a doctorial student rather than a seasoned professor. The article doesn't get into those parts of the coverage. --Masem (t) 20:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, Oppose on quality. Definitely an ITN-worthy event, considering the significance of this discovery and news coverage. However, the article is quite short and needs to be expanded. Ark Hyena (it/its) 22:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. IDB.S (talk) 23:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Article needs to be longer, but I wouldn't be upset if this discovery gets posted. These ruins are a great find! Hungry403 (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support — a great discovery that highlights the role of modern technology in science. Trepang2 (talk) 04:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This can help further understand Mayan culture and society. Rager7 (talk) 04:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality The article needs improvement before it can be posted to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've put in some work to try to improve the quality of the article to at least cover the main points. It is quite fresh news and no actual field work has been done there yet, so one may struggle to expand it very much further at this point without going into very detailed points taken from the original research report. Yakikaki (talk) 13:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well done Yakikaki, much appreciated. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks!! Khuft (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the article is both improved and important in several fields of endeavor. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note for the reviewing admin: The city was not known as Valeriana while it was inhabited: from the article Valeriana (Maya city): Valeriana is the name given to the ruins of an ancient Maya city in the Mexican state of Campeche... / ...the site was named after an adjacent freshwater lagoon of the same name. Cheers! Departure– (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its the current working name until the site can be more thoroughly investigated. Until the more proper name is learned and published, it is completley appropriate to use Valeriana as the name. — Masem (t) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just feel it's an important distinction to make. The site is Valeriana, and it contains a large city of an unknown name, that has informally become known as Valeriana. I'd just prefer if the blurb didn't imply that it was always called that (specifically the original blurb). Departure– (talk) 15:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Departure and Tone. Flip^and Flopped ツ 17:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT2 Per Departure-. Perhaps another alternative wording could be needed, but this is definitely a notable event. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article has been expanded and there is an overwhelming support. Posting Alt2- --Tone 18:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Botswanan general election

Article: 2024 Botswana general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The Umbrella for Democratic Change, led by Duma Boko, wins the most seats in the National Assembly in the 2024 Botswana general election, defeating the Botswana Democratic Party for the first time in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  In the 2024 Botswana general election, the UDC, led by Duma Boko, wins the a majority in the National Assembly, the first change in government in Botswana's history.
Credits:

Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
Updated by Aficionado538 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: First change in government in the 58 years of Africa's most successful liberal democracy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Clearly a very significant election for Botswana. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article might still need a few minor adjustments, but I agree this is a huge turning point in the history of the country. Oltrepier (talk) 12:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support good length and nicely referenced, the only possible grumble is would be nice to see longer and more detailed aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support besides ITN/R, this is big news for Botswana. Scuba 13:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. The results table is blank, the only prose describing the outcome is in the lead (and overly sensational, violating NPOV), there's only a single sentence on the aftermath etc. The material that's already in the article body seems well done, but it needs extending to the results and outcome. Modest Genius ^talk 14:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when results table is filled out, the rest of the article seems reasonably referenced. CMD (talk) 14:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is well sourced, support is after the result table is filled completely. TNM101 (chat) 15:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait The table isn't completely filled and the campaign/aftermath sections are stubby. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per above, clearly significant. Both ALT0 and ALT1 are fine. The table is filled in now, which addresses the primary concerns of others. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support change in head of state and national election. Doubly ITN/R. Suggest picture of Boko if a good one can be found. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per previous.

-insert valid name here- (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Besides the historic significance of the result the article is well sourced.

Aficionado538 (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – Schwede 66 19:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why is Duma Boko the bolded article rather than the general election article? Is the notion that the government change is the first in the country's history not necessary to be mentioned in the blurb? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has been fixed / updated by Stephen. Natg 19 (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bibek Debroy

Article: Bibek Debroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chairman Of India PM's Economic Advisory Council. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Large swathes unreferenced and also reads like a puff piece. Tagged the article, this needs a lot of work. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Many unreferenced sentences(although one has eight completely unrelated refs). Article also seems to be unbalanced in terms of viewpoints. Needs to be more concise. TNM101 (chat) 15:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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