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- 2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics – Boys' javelin throw (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
I had forgotten about this article until another editor tried to recreate it last week which brought it back to my attention.
The article was initially PRODed hours after its creation, and the PROD description said, No evidence that individual events at these youth competitions are notable
. I deprodded it adding a few sources, but then the same editor nominated it for AfD (no problem with this process so far).
During the AfD, I significantly improved the article, from looking like this to looking like this with some solid prose, all backed up by reliable sources about the topic. Not all AfD comments were made before these improvements were completed. I do think that if the AfD had begun after my improvements were made, a different result would have been determined.
The AfD was lengthy, but it actually received relatively little participation all things considered, with only two editors recommending to delete. In addition, many new pages in Category:2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics were since created by other editors, making this article the only "missing" one listed in the medal summary (almost all others were created in the last 6 months after the AfD). I think it has since been made clear that making event-specific articles for these sorts of championships is common practice for use of Wikipedia as an encyclopedic reference. Although the competition is "youth", it does receive major coverage due to the international / world championship nature, and many of the competitors have their own articles and are senior Olympic medalists and champions. Ten sources were used and I'm confident that more exist.
Even disregarding the ten sources used, I think there is an argument to keep the article as well if we classify it as a "list" of results because lists can be kept as navigational aides even if they don't meet GNG. Many results articles like this have already been assessed as List-class backing up this argument. The recreated article, although missing the prose I added, does go into more detail w.r.t. the results by adding the records of each throw here, so if we could combine our efforts I think the page would be even more improved.
Thanks, ---Habst (talk) 19:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse as closer.
with only two editors recommending to delete
- I see four views to delete: Fram as the nom; JoelleJay, who did a thorough source analysis, as she always does; Sandstein; and Geschichte, who didn't enter a bolded !vote, but was very clear about their view to delete. On the Keep side, I only see the appellant, who is also the creator and substantially the only one who edited the article. I don't want to use the term "bludgeoning", but the appellant's extensive responses to each and every Delete view on that AfD failed to sway any of the participants, ending in a clear consensus to delete.
- It's not clear what the basis for this appeal is. It reads like an AfD round 2. But I'm sure the appellant will soon reply, in length, to this, as they will to every other "Endorse" here. Owen× ☎ 20:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @OwenX, just to clarify on the first sentence, I was counting JoelleJay and Sandstein as the only two deletion recommendations aside from the nominator. User:Geschichte's final point was that "
I don't have a strong opinion about the 2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics – Boys' javelin throw page
", and I don't think their view was to delete at all. If that !vote was considered as a delete, I don't think it should have been. - I was the first creator of the article, but the most recent creator and the impetus to be reminded of this article was User:Stojan212 and not myself. On the last point -- I admit to responding too often to comments on that AfD. I haven't been doing that as often in the last six months, and I'll try to keep my comments brief in the future and let others decide as should be done in a wiki. Thanks. --Habst (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @OwenX, just to clarify on the first sentence, I was counting JoelleJay and Sandstein as the only two deletion recommendations aside from the nominator. User:Geschichte's final point was that "
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