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Personally, I wouldn't call that an -ism. Transhumanism "aims to transform the human condition by developing and creating widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities." (WP). The only "physical capacity" he's alluding to there is the capacity to not die. Maybe "in some form" kind of justifies it. zzz (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's pretty clearly synthesis. Expressing ideas that are also asserted by the transhumanist subculture is not claiming membership of said subculture, nor are there third-party RSes describing him as a member of said subculture - David Gerard (talk) 16:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Expressing ideas that are also asserted by the transhumanist subculture is not claiming membership of said subculture". You assume the definition of a transhumanist is someone who identifies with the transhumanist subculture. I dispute that definition. Deku-shrub (talk) 18:04, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, to me that doesn't make him a "transhumanist". So we're back to opinion and synthesis. Do you have anything positive that backs the application of this specific label? - David Gerard (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My definition of a transhumanist is someone who hold cores transhumanist beliefs with regards to longevity through technology. By that bar he's qualified himself. Deku-shrub (talk) 18:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just because he believes or has hopes he might live forever doesn't make him a transhumanist, I very much doubt this discussion will lead anywhere unless additional information surfaces. Erik.Bjareholt (talk) 18:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLPCAT notes: "Category names do not carry disclaimers or modifiers, so the case for each content category must be made clear by the article text and its reliable sources." This isn't the case for "transhumanist".
If we can't find the word in RSes, we'll need something citable. e.g. Did he notably associate with transhumanism? Transhumanist forums, etc? - David Gerard (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Again, that's not the definition of transhumanist I'm going by. You do not have to be involved in transhumanist organisations and events to be a transhumanist. I'm driven by the Deep Web (film) interview of which I posted the relevant transcript. Consider it like Deism, you don't have to go to church to be a deist Deku-shrub (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That analogy actually goes against your argument, given that WP:BLPCAT specifically says "Categories regarding religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question, and the subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources." The essence of BLPCAT is that we really need solid sourcing to put someone in a category, and that quality of sourcing really doesn't seem to exist for labeling Ulbricht a "transhumanist" - David Gerard (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A recent addition starts with: Ulbricht's sentence has been widely regarded as controversial. The source for the claim of widespread controversy seems to be the Free Ross web site in the next paragraph, which is hardly a reliable source on the question. The quote from Gary Johnson is not in the reference, which merely quotes Johnson's spokesperson saying Johnson "would look favorably on pardoning Ross Ulbricht." The source for the quote is, again, the Free Ross web site: I find it nowhere else except somebody's medium blog post.
I've removed these paragraphs. There may indeed be disagreement about Ulbricht's sentence. But the assertion that this is notable or widespread was not supported. -- M.boli (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies. In hindsight, yes, my edits were badly sourced. Although I personally disagree with his sentence, the edits simply were not fit for a Wikipedia article. Legendaryuser (talk) 06:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Beth Timken, the Freeross source you use for this text "In recent years, Ulbricht includes references to wife Caroline overseeing his charitable art account. He stated he hopes to start a family if released" is not written by Ross, therefore he cannot "mention his wife" in it, it doesn't make any claim about her running his art sales or when/where they were married and the statement about family is trivia. The source is of course not remotely neutral.
I have no objection to the briefest mention of him claiming to have married in prison, and we already link the Freeross site, but we aren't a vehicle for Freeross raising funds.
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