Talk:Gwen (singer)

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Discussions:

Not moved, 29 January 2025, to Gwen, see discussion.
Not moved, 16 February 2025, to Gwen (Filipino singer), see discussion.

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 16 February 2025

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gwen (singer) → Gwen (Filipino singer) – As discussed in Talk:Bini (group)#Requested move 29 January 2025, it was agreed upon that the Gwen subject of this article is not the singer named Gwen who can claim WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, that being Gwen Stefani. Move this article as proposed, then retarget "Gwen (singer)" to Gwen Stefani. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Gwen Stefani's entire solo discography was released under the name "Gwen Stefani" (not Gwen.) She is known in reliable secondary sources as Gwen Stefani, not mononymously. 162 etc. (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment One thing that did come up at the previous RM: This article probably should be merged, per WP:BANDMEMBER. It does not appear that Gwen has individual notability outside of Bini. 162 etc. (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Gwen Stefani is not known as just "Gwen" and in the unlikely event someone forgot her surname, they would more likely wind up at the Gwen dab page than here. A hatnote could be added to this article but even that is probably unnecessary. Station1 (talk) 06:42, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"Filipino people of Chinese descent" category removed

As far as I'm aware, the source for Gwen having Spanish and Chinese ancestry is the same: a Kumu live clip. She mentioned that she has a full Chinese grandma here: https://www.tiktok.com/@itgirl_slayer/video/7350841158458772741

Someone who isn't logged in removed the "Chinese descent" category but not the Spanish descent category: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Gwen_(singer)&diff=prev&oldid=1275384923

Should both categories be removed? Should Chinese descent be added back? Bloomagiliw (talk) 08:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think such descents should be removed until a decent ref comes out. Borgenland (talk) 08:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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So the "Spanish descent" one for Mikha should be removed too, then. But Chinese can be kept, IMO, because it's just common sense - her surname is Lim, a Chinese surname. Bloomagiliw (talk) 08:57, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no decent source that can support Mikha's Chinese blood, then I suggest removing it too. We can't just assume that she has Chinese blood just because her last name is "Lim". AstrooKai (Talk) 08:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting.

Is this an acceptable source? https://www.chinoy.tv/4-local-chinoy-idols-you-should-definitely-watch-out-for/

If not, I fully understand the need to remove the categories. For what it's worth, I'm not the one who added the categories for either page, nor was I the one who removed the Chinese descent category for Gwen. :) I just thought if someone removed that for Gwen, the same should apply to the other "descent" category. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly this is a program broadcast on multiple RS domestic news channels. Borgenland (talk) 09:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whether ChinoyTV is a reliable source, but it doesn't seem to be a blog or something similar, so I suppose it's fine. Since it's also a program broadcast on reputable domestic news channels, as Borgen said above, that likely adds to its credibility. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. The categories can be removed for Gwen (for now), while "Chinese descent" can be kept for Mikha. (The "Spanish descent" thing has no acceptable source, though, so I'll remove it.) Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to post the article CHInoyTV. Also fixed it for Mikha. Borgenland (talk) 09:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]