Talk:Second Arab Spring

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On 9 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2018–2022 Arab protests to Second Arab Spring. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Is this a thing?

This really feels like meta-SYNTH from one Guardian article to me. I think it might be more interesting to ask if there shouldn't be a 2018-2019 Women's Protests based on what I've been reading about women's roles in the protests in Sudan, Algeria, and the yellow vests. But there's all sorts of ways of dividing people up. Still, I'm pretty sure Berbers and not all Sudanese people are considered Arab. Granted, part of the success of the Algerian protests has been that they didn't originate in Kabylie. In short, really not sure about pushing this so strongly through infoboxes. SashiRolls ^{t · c} 22:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BEFORE turns up three article headlines asking if this is a new Arab spring (and concluding that it is not), and one stating that it is not:^[1]

^[2] ^[3] ^[4]

References

^ David Hearst (13 March 2019). "Are we witnessing a new wave of the Arab Spring?". Middle East Eye. Retrieved 20 March 2019.
^ Simon Tisdall (26 January 2019). "Will corruption, cuts and protes produce a new Arab spring?". Retrieved 20 March 2019.
^ Jackson Diell (17 March 2019). "This is not yet a second Arab Spring—but sparks are starting to fly". Washington Post. Retrieved 20 March 2019. This is not, at least yet, a second Arab Spring.
^ Ishaan Tharoor (4 March 2019). "Is a new Arab Spring on the way?". Washington Post. Retrieved 20 March 2019. Analysts caution against declaring the advent of a new Arab Spring, not least because the unrest in Sudan and Algeria is taking place in rather different contexts.

FWIW, IMO this page seems premature (ahead of the news curve) SashiRolls ^{t · c} 20:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The events are obviously notable; what you are saying is that usage of "new Arab Spring" might be premature. I don't mind removing the bold title from New Arab Spring concept at this point.GreyShark (dibra) 10:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Algeria needs an article or should be included here

I typically edit transit articles, but I think an article or a section here on the protests in Algeria would be warranted.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article. Charles Essie (talk) 03:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Arab World protests (2018–19) → 2018–19 Arab protests – Format as a "when", "where", "what" title per convention at WP:NCEVENTS. Previously moved without discussion. The "List of protests" sections in this article also gives excellent examples of how the title should be consistently formatted. Epistulae ad Familiares (talk) 11:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support either to 2018–19 Arab protests or 2018–19 Arab world protests. – Þjarkur (talk) 12:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support for consistency with existing protest articles. Charles Essie (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Arab protests" is not specific enough, as Arab may refer to Arab culture, ethnicity or geopolitical domain of Arab states, whereas "Arab World" [1] is specifically referring to Arab countries and closely associated territories (like Djibouti). In addition, the Arab Spring article had originally been named 2010–2011 Arab World protests, before having a broader reference as "Arab Spring".GreyShark (dibra) 08:49, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What about 2018–19 Arab world protests as mentioned above? Charles Essie (talk) 03:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't mind either one, but I think we may be worrying about a non-issue here. Specificity is not at all required here. It is perfectly appropriate and WP:CONSISTENT to use the adjectival form when specifying the location of events. For example, the adjective "Tunisian" may refer to Tunisian culture, ethnicity or the geopolitical state of Tunisia, but the article is still named 2018 Tunisian protests, not 2018 Tunisia protests; likewise for 2013–2014 Thai political crisis, not 2013–2014 Thailand political crisis. Epistulae ad Familiares (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support to match general naming procedure. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 04:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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What exactly links these protests?

I'm a bit confused about what links all these protests. The protests in Jordan and Tunisia ended several months before the ones in Algeria, the Gaza Strip and Sudan began and the protests in Iraq began several years earlier. It seems to me that only the events in Algeria and Sudan (and maybe the Gaza Strip) share any kind of common narrative comparable to the Arab Spring. I could be completely wrong about this, but I think it merits discussion. Charles Essie (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Egyptian Protests

Should we make an article for the current protests.Alhanuty (talk) 03:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Location

The term "MENA" is not correct, because the protests are limited to Arab League countries, while MENA also includes significant non-Arab states of Turkey, Iran, Israel and Cyprus. Arab League countries is the most correct location term.GreyShark (dibra) 11:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected with no objections.GreyShark (dibra) 13:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kuwait?

Kuwait 6 November 2019 - "Unlike previous demonstrations, no political organisations were invited and no speeches made" - sounds familiar... Kuwait is a constitutional monarchy, so this is somewhere in between the Lebanese and Iraqi cases in terms of political structures; the big difference is that 2/3 of the population are non-Kuwaitis; arrest at a demonstration could lead to deportation. Maybe wait to see if the protests are sustained before creating 2019 Kuwaiti protests... Boud (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion of 2019 global protests article

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Protests of 2019. Boud (talk) 01:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 January 2020

Arab protests (2018–present) → Arab Spring 2.0. Mainstream media now refers as Arab Spring 2.0 than Arab protests. Arab protests was unknown in many mainstream media — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.188.124 (talk) 01:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The israeli protests

The 2020 israeli protests don't get enough recognition on Wikipedia. They started so long ago and occur very frequently now, but they don't even have an article about it. I think we should add them to this article with a quick description, it should give us a basis to write an article later. (I know the title says Arab protests, but it's the middle east and it's relevant enough). https://www.dw.com/en/whats-behind-israels-growing-protests/a-54458406 https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-biggest-protest-yet-over-10000-rally-against-netanyahu-in-jerusalem/ https://www.france24.com/en/20200719-thousands-in-israel-protest-government-s-coronavirus-response https://www.dw.com/en/israel-protests-cause-netanyahu-problems/a-54243996 IveGonePostal (talk)

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Timeline

The events began in 2018 and climaxed in 2019. Some references can still refer to Arab Spring 2.0 in 2020, but I cannot find any source on continuation of Second Arab Spring into 2021. The article should be renamed to 2018–2019 Arab protests or 2018–2020 Arab protests, or better simply Arab Spring 2.0.GreyShark (dibra) 18:39, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

change name for this article and the template to "2018-2022 Arab protests"

2022 already started, in addition, sudan is still having protests, and, lebanon and algeria may also have protests in the future, so, i think it would make sense. EpicWikiLad (talk) 02:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Final assignment for a university course

I am a university student and I would like to improve this article as I can. Your suggestions are very welcome. Chiarajjj (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 04:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2018–2022 Arab protests → Second Arab Spring – The proposed title is more known by people, plus it's shorter and more captivating. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 07:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:14, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but you should probably find some sources to back this up. Charles Essie (talk) 16:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here: [2]

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[4] WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 06:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Title

If you guys do not accept the Second Arab Spring title, then we should change it to the 2018-2023 Arab protests, as they are still ongoing. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 07:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia-ongoing or not?

I think there are plenty of sources about ongoing protests, though not always on mainstream media top headlines (I noticed some reports on protests in Sudan against the RSF/SAF fighting but didn't keep the URL), but it's not clear if these are covered encyclopedically in en.Wikipedia. If we don't have info on them, then the infobox should switch to some sort of a "closing" date, with a good source. If we do have info, then updates are needed, and then it would be justified to have one of the rare violations of WP:RELTIME in which we write that the protests "are a series ... which took place starting ..." instead of "were a series ..." Boud (talk) 17:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protests against Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, and their possible addition to the article.

Since the period of unrest known as the "Second Arab Spring" is said to have started roughly around 2018 and are said to still be ongoing, would the period of protests and unrest in the Palestinian territories count as part of this wave of unrest? I specifically call back to violent periods before the outbreak of the war in the Gaza Strip as contenders for addition here, like the 2018-2019 Gaza border protests and the 2021 Israel-Palestine crisis, as they involved an Arab population rising up in a wave of anti-government (in this case, anti-occupation) unrest, and was sustained for long periods. GabMen20 (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] David Hearst (13 March 2019). "Are we witnessing a new wave of the Arab Spring?". Middle East Eye. Retrieved 20 March 2019.

[2] Simon Tisdall (26 January 2019). "Will corruption, cuts and protes produce a new Arab spring?". Retrieved 20 March 2019.

[3] Jackson Diell (17 March 2019). "This is not yet a second Arab Spring—but sparks are starting to fly". Washington Post. Retrieved 20 March 2019. This is not, at least yet, a second Arab Spring.

[4] Ishaan Tharoor (4 March 2019). "Is a new Arab Spring on the way?". Washington Post. Retrieved 20 March 2019. Analysts caution against declaring the advent of a new Arab Spring, not least because the unrest in Sudan and Algeria is taking place in rather different contexts.

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