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Christine Egan

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Apart from being there at 9/11 and dying, there is nothing notable about this person's career. Was a working nurse. No lasting notability, 25 years later. Oaktree b (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. More than meets GNG, plenty of coverage in reliable secondary sources (eg [1][2][3][4]). Nikkimaria (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Agree with initial editor. Nothing really notable and after all these years nothing new has been added to change that. ContentEditman (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Coppen

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Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 15:49, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nominator. Does not show enough Notability to be included in mainspace. Pizza on Pineapple🍕 (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Nana Akosua Frimpomaa

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The subject of the article fails WP:NPOL. Simply being a flag bearer of a political party in an election does not inherently establish notability. I proposed a deletion few days ago, but the tag was removed by the author of the article. Idoghor Melody (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello @Idoghor Melody I was the one who created the article and I did not remove the tag for deletion. Check your facts right before making an accusation. daSupremo

18:55, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaSupremo, I'm really sorry about that mix up. Idoghor Melody (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine daSupremo

22:20, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Describing her merely as a "flagbearer" (a vague, unrevealing term) obscures her significance as described in the article. She was the National Chairperson of the Convention People's Party. She won a Presidential Primary. She was also named Female Politician of the Year in Ghana. Her notability appears much clearer than this misleading nomination reveals. Spideog (talk) 11:16, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks @Spideog for your input daSupremo

19:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Drouillard

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Article is cited to unreliable blogs and self published sources. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 04:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete single-event fame. --Altenmann >talk 04:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Emma Curtis

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a politician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL. The primary notability claim here is that she serves on a county council, which is the local level of office and thus has to pass NPOL #2 (where the test hinges on depth of coverage, not just existence) -- and "first member of an underrepresented minority group to do an otherwise non-notable thing" is not an instant notability freebie in and of itself, so she isn't exempted from having to pass NPOL #2 just because she's transgender.
But three of the five footnotes here are primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, and the two sources that do represent reliable third-party coverage in real media are just local media covering the election itself, a type and volume of coverage that every single county councillor who exists at all can always show.
As always, the key to making a county councillor notable enough for a Wikipedia article isn't to simply verify that she exists -- it's to write a substantive and well-sourced article detailing the impact of her work in politics (specific things she did, specific projects she spearheaded, specific effects her work had on the development of the county, etc.) But since she only just assumed the office four days ago, the only content here that's even attempting to address the impact of her work is generic advertorial fluff about her feelings about being an inspiration and role model, rather than documentation of any concrete achievements in office.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when she's been in office for long enough to actually have a quantifiable record of achievement to write about, and a substantial volume of sourcing to support that -- but a county councillor needs a lot more than just two hits of run of the mill local coverage on election night itself to become permanently notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Yes I agree to the deletion as the subject fails in-depth notability as per GNG. Wikipedia is not a place to be used as a profile, rather, an encyclopedia. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 20:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I disagree on a number of the claims presented here, especially the allegation that "the two sources that do represent reliable third-party coverage in real media are just local media covering the election itself". The Queer Kentucky article referenced is a biographical profile on here that was created due to her status as a civil rights activist. So, she's a "local political [figure] who [has] received significant press coverage" per WP:NPOL, and her work in civil rights activism is what originally made her notable. Additionally, I disagree with the assertion that this article presumes a "instant notability freebie in and of itself [...] exempted from having to pass NPOL #2 just because she's transgender" - Curtis was already a notable figure as an activist and would have been a quality candidate for an article before she was elected, the accomplishment of being "first" is just a cherry on top of her already notable life.

My proposal: I can improve the article by adding a few additional sources that reference her activism prior to seeking elected office. I will also go through with a fine comb and fix any language that could be seen as non-objective or overly positive ThatLexingtonKyGuy (talk) 14:13, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saffiyah Khan

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No lasting coverage, the most recent I can find is the slow slow drip of The Specials-related stuff (e.g. https://www.nme.com/features/music-features/terry-hall-the-specials-obituary-3370063 from 2022) Jay Cubby 16:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm not quite sure what the deletion rationale is...BLP1E? But she's clearly notable for more than just the viral photo. As the nominator noted, a few years after the photo she collaborated with the Specials. She toured with them, and they wrote a song about her. Notability is not temporary. pburka (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Ana Orsini

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A classic case of WP:BIO1E. A tragic case of a young journalist suddenly dying that attracted widespread news coverage primarily because the death was announced on air and the deceased was herself a member of the broadcast news media that reported her death. There is no evidence that she passes WP:GNG or WP:NBIO for anything she did during her life; the coverage of her was triggered solely by her unexpected death and thus it's a 1E situation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing notable about her career, rather brief to be honest. Death is nothing notable, a natural death. I don't see GNG here. Oaktree b (talk) 02:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I started this article on a young woman in journalism, an underrepresented group on wikipedia, who had a short but notable career. Moondragon21 (talk) 15:34, 11 January 2025

Paola Hernández (fashion designer)

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Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 10:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kimi Colney

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The subject is not notable in their field, writing articles for some news websites does not contribute to Notability. The subject fails WP:AUTHOR,WP:ACADEMIC and WP:GNG. Taabii (talk) 08:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I think even calling them an "academic" is a massive stretch - as far as I can tell they were a part-time research scholar for a few years after they finished their Masters. So obvious fail on WP:ACADEMIC. No secondary coverage, so can't meet WP:GNG. And the articles they've written aren't going to meet WP:JOURNALIST. So unless the award they were shortlisted for is a massive, massive deal, which it doesn't seem to be as far as I can tell, not seeing what notability guideline they could satisfy. MCE89 (talk) 09:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Delete as per above, article is also written like a promotion in my eyes. Madeline1805 (talk) 23:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maddelynn Hatter

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Article relies on blogs, self-published podcasts, and non-independent sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Additionally, fails WP:BLP1E as everything revolves around competing on a television show.4meter4 (talk) 03:35, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not expand this redirect, but I removed the bad sources and added a few more sources + claims to the article. I'd say there's probably enough coverage to stitch together a decent biography about her early life, career, and personal life, but IF the subject is deemed not notable then please just redirect the page to The Boulet Brothers' Dragula season 3. The page serves a purpose and there's no need to delete the article history. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep based on the additional text that's recently been added. I think there's room to expand this. If there's insufficient support for keep, I would also settle for a merge with the Dragula article. Lewisguile (talk) 08:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per GNG. I've added several more sources and think the entry should be expanded and improved, not deleted ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not appear to meet WP:ENT, no valid secondary sourcing. Interviews do not count, nor do blogs or Youtube. Mamani1990 (talk) 02:17, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Katherina Roshana

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Fails WP:BLP1E. Only known for winning a beauty pageant.4meter4 (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nancy Raffa

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Obviously a very accomplished woman, but unfortunately I was unable to locate any independent RS from a reliable publisher. Tulsa Ballet's blog is a self published source and the ABT is her employer. Everything I could find only mentioned her in passing.4meter4 (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I found multiple articles covering Raffa's work in reliable sources, including the New York Times^[1] and the Boston Globe.^[2] This story in a Kentucky newspaper is additional coverage.^[3] I put these citations, and more, into the article. DaffodilOcean (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawing and speedy keep. @ DaffodilOcean You are a gem. Thank you so much for these and improving the article.4meter4 (talk) 08:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dunning, Jennifer (1985-01-20). "THIS DANCE COMPETITION DOES MORE THAN GIVE PRIZES". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2025-01-10.
^ Temin, Christine (5 November 1981). "THE MAKING OF A BALLET STAR; AT 17, NANCY RAFFA LEARNS THAT SUCCESS BRINGS MIXED BLESSINGS". Boston Globe (pre-1997 Fulltext) ; Boston, Mass. p. 1 – via Proquest.
^ Winer, Linda (1980-11-23). "Overworked, underpaid ballet dancers ask whether it's worth it". The Lexington Herald. p. 80. Retrieved 2025-01-10.

Keep though that's probably not necessary now that the nominator has withdrawn it. As she was a principal dancer with Ballet de Santiago and Ballet National Francaise, I would expect to find coverage in Chile in Spanish and in France in French. I'll see what I can find. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Meyer Schleifer

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Cited almost entirely to sources published by the American Contract Bridge League of which the subject was a member. As a professional body over the sport its a reliable source but strictly speaking not independent. As such fails, WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Fails both GNG and WP:BASIC as all sources are not dependent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 23:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I have found and added newspaper sources about his skill and his games. There is plenty - his games were still being featured in bridge columns in 2022 (and seem to have also featured in bridge columns in the Columbian magazine [[Cromos]], though I can only see a snippet view). I also found what looks like an obituary in 1994 in an Australian periodical, The Bulletin, in a Google Books search. I can't access it, but the snippet view shows "Meyer Schleifer , who many consider to be the best bridge player of all time. Schleifer was a strong chess player and did not take up bridge until he was 26. He played high stake rubber bridge daily and he quickly built up a ..." I know nothing about bridge, so I'm unable to add info to the article about his moves. What I've added are quotes from many chess writers saying he was an expert bridge player. Those chess writers may well be members of the ACBL, but they were publishing in independent sources. So he meets WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT, having been inducted into the ACBL Hall of Fame. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinky Rajgarhia

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Biography of a nn individual. Contested PROD.

The sources are not independent and there is no in-depth coverage that meets WP:BASIC; a WP:BEFORE search gives me nothing except Wikipedia clones. There is no real claim to notability in the draft. The titles she has won show no sign of being notable. bonadea contributions talk 23:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The sources are not meeting WP:RS. Fails WP:GNG. Bakhtar40 (talk) 09:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nomination, puff piece that undoubtedly fails WP:NBIO. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:41, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not a piece Rahmatula786 (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails basic WP:V. Bearian (talk) 22:33, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gabrielle Tuite

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Has had no significant roles in film or television. Fails WP:NACTRESS. No significant coverage in cited sources. I could find nothing but trivial mentions. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jessie Louisa Whitman

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This is a pretty clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. Her recollections about her uncle are of interest to scholars on Walt Whitman but she herself is of no importance. The sourcing isn't there to pass WP:GNG. A possible WP:ATD would be a selective merge and redirect to Walt Whitman. 4meter4 (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Redirect~~ Merge - after pulling some information from her profile. I have added a few more sources, but I am unable to find anything more (and nothing that would separate her from her uncle). DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean A redirect is currently not a viable option as Jessie Louisa Whitman is not mentioned at all in the Walt Whitman article. This is why I suggested a selective merge as an ATD because content on her would need to be added to that page in order for a redirect to exist.4meter4 (talk) 22:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 - sorry I was not clear. What I meant was that we should pull information from her article and put it into the article on Walt Whitman. Once that is done, set up a redirect from her name to the Whitman article. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean That would be a merge as we define it at AFD. You should change your vote to reflect that.4meter4 (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done, sorry for the confusion. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Plenty of hits in Gbooks for her name, but she's only briefly mentioned, talking about Walt. Could be perhaps a brief mention in his article, nothing outside of that. Oaktree b (talk) 22:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maryann Ridini Spencer

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Don't see evidence she meets WP:GNG, no significant RS coverage. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Xenia Sackville, Lady Buckhurst

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I tagged this biography of a jewellery designer with notability concerns earlier this month; now having carried out WP:BEFORE, I'm not seeing significant coverage of her in reliable sources. Most coverage is tabloid, such as this in the Daily Mail, or passing mentions in the context of her father or husband - see WP:NOTINHERITED. Note that she is mentioned variously as Xenia Sackville, Buckhurst or Tolstoy, or as Lady Buckhurst. I don't think she meets WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO, and I can't see that there are specific categories of biographical notability she would fit into, except perhaps WP:NARTIST for her jewellery design. Tacyarg (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Christine Nagy

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Non notable radio host - no sigcov Golikom (talk) 07:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Local radio personalities, even in metropolitan media markets, are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on their sourceability — but the only footnotes here are a directory entry on an unreliable source, which isn't support for notability, and a brief glancing namecheck of her existence in a reliable source article about something other than her, which is acceptable for use as verification of the fact but not in and of itself enough to get her over the bar if it's the best source she actually has. Bearcat (talk) 18:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Constance Jackson

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Lacking in sources and claims of notability since forever. Cabayi (talk) 11:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:ANYBIO. I have removed the IMDB external link, as Wikipedia blocked it as a security risk. — Maile (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Very much PROMO, article reads like a LinkedIn or a book bio. Speaking at conferences isn't notable and the rest is too niche to be covered in wikipedia; appears to make informational videos about a variety of subjects, but not quite rising to the notability we need to see. Oaktree b (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Promotional article lacks WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:BIO. Bakhtar40 (talk) 09:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ann Pennington (model)

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Doesn't pass GNG - apart from one puff article seems only to have inherited notability for marriage to Shaun Cassidy Golikom (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hila Klein

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I don't see enough reliable sources that talk about Klein in depth. The few sources in this article that are not gossipy or clearly unreliable are either centered on the youtube channels she co-hosted with her husband (H3 Podcast, H3H3productions) or the fashion company she founded (Teddy Fresh). Although the podcasts and the company could be notable, she is not. It is possible that this page could be redirected to any of those articles. My source eval is the following:

[5] Fails WP:INDEPENDENT and SIGCOV, most of this article is Klein talking about her own company, there's not enough independent coverage of Klein herself
[6] Arguably reliable, but the source is more about Teddy Fresh than Hila Klein. It doesn't support the need for an article about her separate from Teddy Fresh.
[7] WP:SPORTSKEEDA
[8] Routine WP:DEXERTO article that doesn't discuss Klein in depth. Badbluebus (talk) 04:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Could a combined Ethan and Hila Klein article be feasible? Right now it's just a redirect to h3h3Productions. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep. Further to Darth Stabro's observation, Ethan and Hila Klein and their two companies exhibit significant overlap and collectively satisfy the GNG. With ease. A merge of the four related topics would resolve the excessive fragmentation. Contrary to what was claimed, this nomination evaluates the references in the article rather than the sources, which conflicts with the NEXIST principle. This isn't critical, as an entirely new merge procedure is the best way forward. Still worth keeping in mind for future nominations. gidonb (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danielle Etrasco

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American lacrosse player. JTtheOG (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kara Mupo

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this American lacrosse player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The most I found was this, which isn't much at all. There's also some quotes from her here. JTtheOG (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Gina Hiraizumi

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Non-notable American actress. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 01:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sommer Ray

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Her page is barebones and you can't expand it with anything that isn't promo content. She clearly isn't notable enough. Strawberries1 (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment @Strawberries1: For future AfDs, you may want to make sure that this is transcluded on the log page and that you notify the article's creator. I’ve done that for you this time, but there are also instructions on WP:AFDHOWTO. SK2242 (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - The sourcing isn’t amazing (People Magazine being the best one there) but it scrapes past WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep per SK2242. A hard one to assess because there's so much coverage of her, it's just than 99% of it is useless garbage. But agree that there's enough in marginally reliable sources that she probably scrapes past WP:GNG. Hard to tell whether all of these meet WP:RS, but here are a few more articles about her that at least have a bylined reporter and seem not terrible: [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] MCE89 (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Two of those links are just about who she dated, which is irrelevant. She dated MGK, so what? And Taylor Holder is a nobody. Her having a dating podcast that she no longer goes on isn't relevant, either. The Seventeen article is probably the best link there, but it's not like there's a page for Imaraïs. If there was actually "so much coverage of her" (relevant coverage, anyway), then you'd actually be able to expand this article with credible sources. Strawberries1 (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I follow what you mean by the subject matter being irrelevant or useless, Strawberries1? As long as it is SIGCOV of her, it doesn't matter what we think of the subject matter - the fact that there's coverage about who she's dating or that she had a podcast is fine to count towards WP:GNG as long as it meets the other requirements. And your personal beliefs like Taylor Holder being "a nobody" definitely aren't things that we can consider when assessing notability. The only requirements are that that there is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Is there one of those requirements that you think isn't met here? MCE89 (talk) 01:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aria (Indian singer)

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Failed WP:GNG, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER with no WP:SIGCOV for individual notability other than passing mentions from X:IN-related reportings including but not limited to her "about"-type reporting as part of X:IN's debut-related promotional reportings from WP:BEFORE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I think she doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:NSINGER. Unable to meet roles in three featured films. Unable to see her work in any National Music chart. Bakhtar40 (talk) 09:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there are several articles that establish notability as they are indepth: 1, 2, 3 and others.Darkm777 (talk) 20:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only potential would be the first reference. The second clearly states that it was authored by a third party (no editorial oversight) and the third has no byline and is routine churnalism that falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA.--CNMall41 (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to X:IN.--CNMall41 (talk) 22:34, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Xenia Benivolski

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This art critic and writer does not appear notable. She has written a lot as a writer which is in the article but that is all. 🄻 🄰 16:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep The extant sources already demonstrate WP:GNG. Benivolski has been doing collaborations with one of the most significant galleries in the world and has coverage in multiple major publications. Frankly the article sources, as they exist currently, also seem to support notability under WP:NPROF criterion one. Simonm223 (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for writers and critics. Benivolski has contributed to major publications such as The Wire and Frieze, received significant recognition through the national Gallery of Canada, and been involved in notable projects. There is coverage of her work in reliable sources, such as Artforum and e-flux Journal. I am happy to improve the article by adding these citations to address the concerns raised. Adeline2018 (talk) 01:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see lots of writing by her, and interviews of her, but not references about her, which would constitute significant coverage. Please clarify and "ping" me. Bearian (talk) 04:20, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lily Konigsberg

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Non-notable musician. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 05:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Widespread coverage in major music journalism outlets. Meets GNG. Thriley (talk) 05:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article has references to significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as an AllMusic staff written bio here and album review here, an interview and three album reviews at Pitchfork such as this, an album reviews in Stereogum here and a bio piece in The Fader here. Together there is enough reliable sources coverage for a pass of WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Pincus

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I don't believe she meets WP:ARTIST. Could not find coverage in google news or books. The awards do not appear major (and not reported in press). She is not part of a permanent collection of notable galleries. LibStar (talk) 03:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I am looking her up in Australian art sources to check notability. In the meantime, as most of her career has been in Germany and she has received more exposure there, is there any way to refer her article to German Wikipedia and see if the German editors can find her as a notable artist there? LPascal (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The German article is also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 00:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article Anne Pincus does not have sources either (other Wikipedia sites have different criteria, and don't always require sources etc). Her own website, shown in the External links section, has a Press section which lists reviews of her exhibitions in publications like Süddeutsche Zeitung and Abendzeitung. Those articles have links to the newspapers' websites - I've just searched Süddeutsche Zeitung and found a 2021 review, but on first glance neither seems to go back far enough for reviews before that. I think as far as galleries are concerned, we'd also need to search in German galleries ... RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nelly Leon-Chisen

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No independent sigcov to establish notability. Search hits are either self-published or routine references to her book. Jdcooper (talk) 15:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Plenty of passing mentions, but no solid reliable sources with significant coverage to establish notability. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Noémie Silberer

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a three-minute video [14] on the Tribune de Genève website. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep
Here's a news article: [15]. One more: [16]. One more: [17].
A news article in German about her retiting: [18]. (Just one paragraph, but it's like a mini biography.)
And there are lots of sentence examples featuring her on Linguee.fr: [19]. Sentences from skating.cn and swissolympic.ch. Certainly, there were some articles mentioning her on the internet long ago, but they got deleted since. --Moscow Connection (talk)
Comment: Looking at the sources provided in this discussion, the first article is WP:SIGCOV as it provides multiple paragraphs of coverage about the subject, but the rest of the sources appear to be merely mentions or lack any depth (a couple of sentences at most are actually about the subject). Without evidence of actual significant coverage, we can't have an article on a BLP. Let'srun (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cindy Carquillat

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Non-notable figure skater. While she did finish in first place at the 2004 Swiss Championships, her score was too low to be awarded the title of Swiss Champion. I found this one article where she was mentioned in passing as now coaching. I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage". Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Additionally, there is no corresponding article on the German Wikipedia. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some news articles: [20] ("Kurioses ereignete sich bei den Frauen. Cindy Carquillat belegte zwar Rang 1, der Titel wurde ihr allerdings nicht vergeben, weil sie in den Kür-Noten nicht den erforderlichen Schnitt von 4,8 erreichte. Dies ist bei den Frauen noch nie vorgekommen, seit sie 1931 erstmals am nationalen Championat zugelassen worden waren."), [21] (about her qualifying for the Junior Worlds in 2005).
Keep. After all, she did finish first in the national championships. Per WP:NSKATE and WP:GNG too. (She competed almost 20 years ago, she definitely had something written about her in the media back then.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There may be something here → [22], but the site doesn't open for me. (I'm tired of this, many sites seem to block Russian IPs, it's impossible to search like this.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriela Vega

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I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found was a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I'm also unable to find anything about the subject except for a few mentions. Doesn't pass the notability guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 21:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paula Flechas

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Colombian rhythmic gymnast. JTtheOG (talk) 23:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails SIGCOV. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. I do see some passing mentions but that does not satisfy our notability criteria. Probably WP:TOOSOON. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 02:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete It's verified that she medalled in the 2022 South American championships, but only in a group event. An individual medal might satisfy NGYMNAST, and create an expectation that sources were available if one devoted some time to searching. Edison (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete* Subject doesn't meet the notability requirements. Been involved in a single event doesn't warrants notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 21:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Annmarie Hanlon

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Does not meet WP:ACADEMIC. — Moriwen (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:Prof#C1 in a high-cited area. Not enough for GNG. It would have been helpful if the nominator had given more results of their WP:Before search. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Keep. Meets notability criteria #4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.

According to World Cat the digital marketing textbook is available in 197 libraries. Translation into Greek is unusual (and I imagine this requires a lot of effort) which further indicates its impact. Teacher2019 (talk) 14:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The author is one of a small group of female authors of business textbooks - see https://www.ft.com/content/beb77be1-f735-45e9-82cb-ec834eb39565 which takes you to https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/joe.karaganis2705/viz/BusinessSchoolTeaching/Dashboard1 Teacher2019 (talk) 14:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Fails WP:NACADEMIC, WP:GNG. There is an attempt to meet ACADEMIC criterion 7(a) with her quotes in media organizations, but these are relatively few (and multiple of them in deprecated/unreliable outlets per WP:RSP), so I don't see a pass there. Her H-index of 10 is on the low side for someone at her career level and in her field. As for the claim that she meets criterion 4, there's no evidence that having a book in 197 libraries is unusually high or significant (I doubt it is given the literally tens of thousands of higher education institutions there are worldwide), and there's no evidence that translation of a book into another language is notable, particularly in an era of machine-assisted translation. I'm confused by the FT and Tableau sources offered above, neither of which mention Hanlon at all. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting points.
- She joined academia relatively recently, so it's not surprising the H index is 10. The longer you've worked in academia, the higher the index.
- The book was translated into Greek by scholars, not machines.
- The FT and Tableau sources serve to show the volume of female / male authors in this area. Over 90% are male.
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Comment I have added two reviews of her books, but am thus far not able to find more. These may help her meet WP:AUTHOR, but more reviews would be needed. DaffodilOcean (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miss X (decedent)

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Fails WP:GNG, only one source helpful for notability, the rest are non RS. An outside search found no more. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There is no sourcing about Miss X, which is a rather hard name to search for... She might have been identified, which is fine, but simply another non-notable missing person. Oaktree b (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Ximena Caminos

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Following brief discussion on the talk page, in which an editor drafted a new version of the article, it makes more sense to delete this article and for active contributors to create something in draftspace in due course. In its current form, it resembles a CV or promotional piece more than an encyclopedia article. The subject is mentioned in reliable sources but, again, too promotional to establish notability. Northernhenge (talk) 15:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Alice Garlisi

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete No SIGCOV found. No article on Italian wiki.Canary757 (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I was unable to find any WP:SIGCOV to show that this subject meets the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 23:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Milenka Peña

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The journalist is not notable, with 90% of the information added lacking any sources. Cinder painter (talk) 12:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Radio and television journalists are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG — but this article has no footnotes at all to establish GNG, and instead just provides a contextless stack of external links to primary and unreliable sources that are not support for notability. As always, the key to making a journalist notable enough for a Wikipedia article is not to reference it to content self-published by her own employers (which is what most of the external links here are) — it's to show evidence that her work has been externally validated as significant through coverage about her in third party sources that didn't issue her paycheques. Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Nönnig

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Found several mentions, but none with significant coverage. Aona1212 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No SIGCOV found on search, failing GNG.Canary757 (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I see there's a German wiki version too, which makes sense since the subject is German, but i hazily think of the German wikipedia as being tougher on notability. Both the en and de version were created by the same editor. In any event, i see some german news mentions of her, but not significant and she didn't have international wins that would make me think an article surely must exist on her.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Cannot find any significant coverage.
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Here's something about her in a book: [23]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One paragraph and a half here: [24]. One paragraph here: [25].
These paragraphs don't constitute significant coverage, but it's still something. So I've decided to leave the links here. (Der Spiegel and some German sites don't open for me, but you can search for "Nicole Nönnig Eiskunstlauf".) --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have found the article used as a reference in the Web Archive, here →→→ [26]. That's a complete biography for you.
Strong keep. (Considering that she competed more than 20 years ago and that that time's figure skating articles are impossible to find.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not appear to have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Of the sources provided by Moscow Connection, while I can't view the book source the articles in order are (1) a couple of sentences briefly mentioning the skaker and her partner finishing second to last at a tournament, with no additional detail (2) a passing mention in an tournament recap and (3) a substantial bio about the subject and her partner, which while this is WP:SIGCOV with only one usable source there isn't nearly enough for this BLP to meet the guidelines. Please ping me if more coverage can be found as I am open to changing my vote should more/better coverage be found. Let'srun (talk) 15:57, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Dimitrov

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Avani Soni

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The actor is not notable. Most of the sources in the article are promotional/PR sources. The consensus on previous AfD was delete because it was non-notable and created by PR agency. Coderzombie (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - She has nothing to pass WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NACTOR. Casting and special thanks credits are not acting or directing credits and her cameo is insignificant.Ynsfial (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She is notable as a casting director working in multiple films, not as an actor. The last AFD was 5 years back! which is not a valid reason for consideration. Justort (talk) 05:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Today i am unable to see any significant work that could meet WP:NACTOR. Bakhtar40 (talk) 09:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Izin Akioya

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The subject does not seem notable enough to meets WP:GNG or WP:SNG as there's limited information about her achievement or works. Ednabrenze (talk) 06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Absolutely nothing makes this pass WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:BASIC. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not pass any notability Ibjaja055 (talk) 07:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Promotional crap. She doesn't meet WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:BASIC and her companies and book aren't notable.Ynsfial (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This fails WP:GNG; sources are promotional and not independent. Moopaz (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no valid secondary sourcing to prove any notability. They also list BellaNaija as a source so that it makes it an auto delete for me. Mamani1990 (talk) 22:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There’s no real evidence of notability here, it’s just promotional content. The article doesn’t meet GNG. Idoghor Melody (talk) 10:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Savannah Smith

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Non-notable former college basketball player (only appeared to play off the bench for ~3 seasons). Fails WP:GNG as notability WP:NOTINHERITED from Chris Christian (father). Epluribusunumyall (talk) 03:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Was unable to find anything of significance during a search og Google and Newspapers.com. Her basketball career doesn't indicate any likelihood of her having received any significant coverage. Alvaldi (talk) 10:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Not notable, fails significant coverage criteria and, as has already been pointed out above, notability is not inherited so who her father is does not matter for these purposes
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Lara Johnson-Wheeler

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I'm struggling to see why this biography is notable. I understand that she is the daughter of a former British Prime Minister, but that isn't enough for a page in its own right. I can see that there are mentions of her in the media which she has participated in (i.e. she is not private person as such). However, I can't see why her biography is in itself notable. There is nothing about her life that I can see that would justify this page if it wasn't for the fact that her father was a British Prime Minister. Now that a few years have passed since her father was a Prime Minister, maybe it's clearer than when this article was previous nominated for deletion in 2021 as to why it isn't notable. It's interesting to note that on the page for Boris Johnson there is nothing about her apart from her name. Maybe a sentence about her in his personal life section might be sufficent rather than this whole article? Seaweed (talk) 17:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as WP:NOTINHERETED. Someone could, if they wished, add a little bit of detail about each of BoJo's progency on the article about him - I can see that was suggested in the last AfD where it was pointed out that she has only had coverage in relation to her being his daughter, and nothing has changed since. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 17:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Because reliable sources mention her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wagdar (talk • contribs) 23:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to Boris Johnson. I've searched and can't find any references that don't mention her primarily in the context of her father. I found another Evening Standard article, Will Boris Johnson be at his daughter's upcoming wedding?, but as the title suggests, the interest in her is because of her father, and in any case it looks like regurgitated information from Instagram. Tacyarg (talk) 00:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep full article in multiple publications about her [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] 🄻 🄰 23:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lucia Starovičová

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Katelyn Good

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Non-notable figure skater. She won a gold medal at the 2010 Danish Championships, but there were only two teams competing, and other that that, <crickets>. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG through multiple searches. The corresponding wikis have even less sourcing than the English article. Let'srun (talk) 03:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Twete

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. No senior-level competitions of any kind. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject appears to lack the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 03:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No significant coverage to be found.
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Martina Ferrari

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Chilean rhythmic gymnast. JTtheOG (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have sufficient secondary sources to prove WP:SPORTBASIC. It's probably WP:TOOSOON. Mamani1990 (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lucia Arrascaeta

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Argentinian rhythmic gymnast. Article was previously draftified in June. JTtheOG (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The subject is barely mentioned in any of the sources listed. I also did some quick research, hoping to find something useful, but I haven't found anything. Aona1212 (talk) 01:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kate Vetricean

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Canadian rhythmic gymnast. JTtheOG (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Zero coverage in even Canadian media, appears to be a non-notable athlete. Sourcing in the article is for gymnastic federations or competition results. Oaktree b (talk) 23:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Couldn't find any strong secondary sourcing for this WP:YOUNGATH to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 03:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Joelle Forte

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 06:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This is an interesting one. Forte received a couple paragraphs of coverage in the New York Times when she was 11 in an article discussing junior skaters [[32]] (although it does not pass WP:YOUNGATH, it still provides additional context to the subject). The subject also enough coverage at [[33]], [[34]], [[35]] and [[36]] to meet the WP:GNG Let'srun (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep As per Let's run there is much more coverage on this one than the majority of AfD skating articles.Canary757 (talk) 08:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Betty Henderson

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Almost no information is provided on this actress. For a list of credits, readers can go to IMDb. Henderson had minor roles in a few movies. In one B movie, The Gorbals Story, she received third billing. She might have been the female lead alongside someone not mentioned in the top three, or perhaps the other two billed actors were the true leads. In either case, this article, in its current state, provides data and virtually no context, making it fail NOTDIR #1. Henderson seems to fail NACTOR as well. gidonb (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles (not lead) in notable productions (The Gorbals Story and The 39 Steps, for example). It is a stub in its current state but stubs are meant to be improved rather than deleted. -Mushy Yank. 09:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yet is her role in The 39 Steps really significant? IMDb and we have her billed 13th, this database has her listed 12th. All towards the end. It appears that her only significant role was in a B movie. PER NACTOR: Such a person may be considered notable if: 1. The person has had significant roles in MULTIPLE notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or 2. The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Also, how is the GNG satisfied? The caps in the quote are mine. gidonb (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SIGCOV - I looked, and found a few passing references like this book. She has a very common name, so finding anything like that is looking for a needle in a haystack, pardon the cliché. Bearian (talk) 02:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment A quick search of the British Newspaper Archive shows that she also appeared in many stage performances, none of which are mentioned in this article yet. I'll add some info and sources and then consider whether she meets WP:NACTOR. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Sofie Madsen

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Borderline notability, subject requests deletion,Ticket:2024091410007147. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Do you have any details on the VRT request, CaptainEek? Any reason for why they would be against the article? Since nothing in it seems negative. And I would not call her borderline notable, since she's one of the biggest names in fashion. It's just that the coverage of her is almost entirely not in English. But outside of most every fashion magazine in the world covering her, she also receives mainstream coverage from newspapers of record. For example:

So I'd really like some more information on this one before making a decision. Because I'm currently leaning toward too notable and well known for WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE to matter. Silver seren^C 01:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Silver seren The issue seems to be one of inaccuracy and the sources being out of date; most of them are over a decade old. I made a few corrections to the article, but her overall concern is that the article is now so out of date with her resume that potential employers google her and think her CV is fake because her more recent achievements are not on her Wikipedia. I think this is a problem we often encounter with BLP's: their article is frozen in time at a point when they had coverage, and doesn't reflect who they are now, but there isn't enough new coverage to update with. A problem that grows as Wikipedia reaches the 25 year mark. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 01:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like an argument for expansion, not for deletion. Unless we're going to be deleting a ton of articles for being out of date. There's sources available. There's this from Vogue on her Tokyo 2017 collection. There's this from Women's Wear Daily on her Paris 2018 collection. There's this from Woman.dk and this from Fashion Forum about her 2021 collection collaboration with Lulu Kaalund. I got all that from just a quick Google search without even knowing anything about how to search for Danish, French, or Japanese sources. Silver seren^C 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the VRT agent for that ticket, and CaptainEek's characterization is correct. She has provided only vague objections about things being incorrect, nothing specific. I have asked her to use WP:Edit Request Wizard to identify specific things to fix on the talk page, but she seems to want a VRT agent to do the research and fix things for her. The creator of the article even invites people to contact her directly and includes her email on her user page, but the article subject has not engaged with her. Yes, the subject of the article wants it deleted because she isn't famous, but the sources already cited suggest she's clearly notable, which isn't the same thing as fame. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So the argument on her end is more of the "not a celebrity level fame", rather than the "rather well known designer in a field level fame" that she actually is, it seems. I still think this is fully fixable in the article, though it would definitely be helpful if she was willing to work with us on that. Since I'm sure she's more personally aware of the fashion news sources covering her more recent work than any of us are. Silver seren^C 02:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have received an email from the subject and have asked for further details. At this stage, I am not sure if she would prefer deletion or correction.--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion would be an option if she was borderline notable or the article was a hit job, but neither case applies here. The notability seems pretty clear, and the article isn't negative either. If an article about a notable subject is deleted, someone else will eventually come along and write another article. Improvement is really the best past forward. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: She is a notable fashion designer and has coverage in reliable sources such as Vogue. Moopaz (talk) 23:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Fashion deigner covered by Vogue and other sources listed above. I added the "Update" template to the top of the article, saying "Please help update this article to reflect recent events ..." So, if "potential employers google her" and find this article, they will be greeted with a note making clear the article does not reflect recent events. I hope that helps. Asparagusstar (talk) 03:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: before I would go along with a keep, I would like to see the sources found incorporated into this article. This is my personal opinion, and I've raised it before in other AfDs. Bearian (talk) 04:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I had a very quick look on The Guardian newspaper website and found two places where she's named alongside far more famous designers. I've added them to the article. She's mentioned in a textbook, admittedly only a photo of an example of her work, but the author must have considered her worth including – Udale, J. (2023). Textiles and fashion : from fabric construction to surface treatments (Third ed.). Bloomsbury Visual Arts. --Northernhenge (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete: I have been in touch with the subject by email. She has made a very strong plea for the article to be deleted as although the details are based on reliable sources, some of them are incorrect. She does not have the time or experience to look for sources which paint a more correct picture of her life. As the article is having a negative effect on her current aspirations, she deserves to have it deleted.--Ipigott (talk) 08:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As Anachronist said, she is notable and the article is neither negative nor gushing. If this article is deleted, someone will create another one. I don't understand how a few details in this article could be "having a negative effect on her current aspirations" - surely she has a portfolio to show potential employers? Yes, the article doesn't cover anything in the last 7 years, and not much for the last 10 years, but Wikipedia articles are not meant to be CVs. Hopefully the "Update" template added by Asparagusstar will help potential employers understand that just because the article doesn't cover the last 7-10 years doesn't mean she achieved nothing in that time. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ana Candiotto

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Disputed PROD. Fails notability criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – I see WP:SIGCOV in the sources already presented (Globoesporte, Gazeta Esportiva, O Tempo), the player herself is not very famous but meets the criteria for the article. A quick Google search also turns up a lot of content. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is coverage of both her singles and doubles career on several major Brazilian sports portals: [37] [38] [39] Svartner (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Svartner. Article needs a lot of work on subjective language. There have been several PRODS and AI generated tags put on its creator's other articles this week.Canary757 (talk) 08:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I accept coverage has now been found but I stand by the point that she is non-notable and the article itself is like a fan page full of Peacocking and puff and very little by way of actual facts. Shrug02 (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've made a tentative start to address the peacock tag Shrug02, will do a thorough one later.Canary757 (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Viktoria Vasilieva

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep she has participated in many high-level regional competitions, and has earned metals. Article needs more sources which can be easily done. Marleeashton (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All medals were junior-level, none of which qualify as notable per WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that the intention of these guidelines were to be overly prescriptive. I see you have nominated many gymnast articles, while they don't meet the 'more likely to receive coverage' point they should be judged individually on their merits, not mass removed because they're less likely to receive coverage. Marleeashton (talk) 08:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We keep biographical articles (or not) based on whether they meet set standards for notability, not out of our personal, idiosyncratic notions as to what's important or not. Participation standards have been deprecated sports-wide, not even medalling at the Olympics is a guarantee of meeting standards, and if you believe there are valid sources that meet the GNG and provide significant coverage to the subject, proffer them. Ravenswing 06:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I couldn't find any independent WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. The corresponding Russian article is also devoid of quality sources. Let'srun (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any WP:SIGCOV from what has been shown here in this discussion. A lot of trivial mentions. Let'srun (talk) 14:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence that GNG is met and no sources yet provided by keep voter.Canary757 (talk) 13:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. These: [40] (Match TV), [41], [42] (both Sportbox.ru / Match TV), [43], [44] (both Sport Express), [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53] (all Sports.ru) are more than enough.
I actually spent 10 minutes on this. But you can search like this →→→ https://yandex.ru/search/?text=Виктория+Васильева if you want to find more. Find her profiles on big sports sites and then look in the "News" section or search by tag. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are all trivial coverage, barely a paragraph. First one talks about her partner's illness. Rest are unimpressive. I don't think we have notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A note to the above voters. If you can't do a proper search, don't vote. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A note to you; if you cannot acquaint yourself with the appropriate guidelines governing notability, don't vote at AfD. Ravenswing 06:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A classic case of citation bombing above in utter ignorance of the provisions of the GNG and SIGCOV. The former holds "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The latter holds ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." Interviews of the subject do not count. Namedrops ("Figure skater Roman Zaporozhets, who competes in pairs skating with Victoria Vasilyeva, told Match TV that the pair withdrew from the Grand Prix stage in Kazan due to his illness"), fleeting mentions and routine match coverage do not count. Lists of stats do not count. Ravenswing 06:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I've checked the first six sources above and the last one, there are trivial mentions, barely more than a paragraph each, simply confirming she's participated in xyz event. Oaktree b (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I checked each and every one of them as well; I just didn't bulletpoint each one. Ravenswing 06:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing found for this skater; a junior-level bronze medalist would barely make notability, IF we had extensive sourcing. With only what amount to blog posts, three lines of coverage and the like, we don't have the coverage needed. Oaktree b (talk) 02:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per @Ravenswing and @Oaktree b. The additional sources provided do not amount to the level of coverage required.
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Ammu Ramachandran

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No lead roles in any of these notable films; fails WP:NACTOR, and the sources are blogs, unreliable, and PR material. Also fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 08:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Carly Henderson

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Fail WP:JOURNALIST and WP:ENT. No indication of WP:GNG. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 08:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Anastasia Gubanova (pair skater)

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wang Huidi

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Madhu Azad

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Being a mayor does not pass WP:NPOL, Fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 05:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete : Lacks notability. Gauravs 51 (talk)
Comment: I would like clarification from the community about whether we have an arbitrary cutoff for automatic notability of mayors; in this case, of a city that is almost 900,000 people. Bearian (talk) 03:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : Being the first women Mayor of a major municipal corporation (though a reserved seat), she got good coverage and also during her stint as mayor... I feel, she passes general notability criteria. I am adding some more references. Davidindia (talk) 17:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per WP:HEY. I don't see any discussion on bright line tests, but I do see some improvement in the article. Bearian (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete: I have concerns about the sources because most of them fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Also, WP:NPOL does not mention mayors, so the subject does not have automatic notability.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep She is an elected politician; therefore, my vote is weak keep. However, it fails to meet the criteria for significant coverage. Most of the references derive from her electoral outcomes. Bakhtar40 (talk) 09:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Li Xuantong

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. Here's a full-fledged biography on Sina.cn: [54]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One more article → [55].
I don't know what this is, it looks like a very lengthy print magazine article plus an interview. Changing my vote to "Strong keep"--Moscow Connection (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles talk about her and her partner Wang Xinkang. He is also nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Xinkang. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did a very, very quick Google News search for her name in Chinese. You can search more if you want, also for her partner's name. But that's enough for me. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Sina.cn article looks good, the second one is quite interview heavy which are generally unpopular on AfD but there is a short bio about them as well so leaning towards a keep at the moment. Given the age and the fact that this skater is active there is a reasonable chance that more GNG sources may appear in the near future,.Canary757 (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Keep Significant overage found by @Moscow Connection which they will hopefully add to the article itself to give readers further insight into this skater and avoid any future AFD.
  
  Shrug02 (talk) 11:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Thank you! (I did save some articles after all.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources provided by Moscow Connection appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 15:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Yu-seong

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This → [56] and this → [57] are lengthy articles about her and her twin sister (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Yu-jae).
That's enough for me. But if you aren't satisfied, you can search like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=김유성+2009&tbm=nws. I've only looked at the very first page of results. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- CommentThis has originally been created as a WP:TOOSOON but the first article provided provides a good amount of info (the second seems to focus more on the sister) and as she is likely to enter senior events imminently I think it might be too hasty too delete the page so Draftify may be an option here unless more sources are found.Canary757 (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Concur with Canary757 that while the first source appears to have some decent coverage there isn't nearly enough elsewhere for this subject to meet the guidelines. Per WP:YOUNGATH, athletes such as Yu-seong are only notable if "they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage." I don't think that is the case yet, but as it appears to be a likely possibility I think it makes the most sense to draftify for the time being. Let'srun (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tyner Rushing

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WP:BLP of an actress, not properly sourced as passing WP:NACTOR. As always, notability for actors is not automatically passed just because they've had acting roles -- the test doesn't hinge on listing acting roles, it hinges on showing reliable source coverage about them and their performances to establish the significance of those roles. But this is referenced entirely to unreliable sources that are not support for notability -- IMDb, a YouTube clip and a Q&A interview in which she's answering questions in the first person -- with absolutely no evidence of third-party coverage about her shown at all.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when she has a stronger notability claim than just existing and better sourcing for the significance of her career, but working actors are not automatically exempted from having to pass WP:GNG just because they exist. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey thanks for bringing attention to page needing more sources. I added about 10 references - credible news coverage showing she is an actress of notability and needs a Wikipedia page. She is a lead on my favorite Apple TV television show. Slamdunkeroo (talk) 18:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey thanks again for helping me make the page more credible. To sum up, I added about 10 references - credible news coverage showing she is an actress of notability and needs a Wikipedia page. She is a lead on my favorite Apple TV television show. I propose we remove Tyner Rushing from the deletion discussion list. Slamdunkeroo (talk) 18:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Her roles in TV shows like Stranger Things and For All Mankind suggest potential notability. Additional sourcing from reliable sources would strengthen her case. Moopaz (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She is a lead actress in the latest season of For All Mankind, a popular AppleTV+ series. I think that is definite notability. 2600:1700:352C:2C00:1CC2:E022:CCAA:5BE (talk) 00:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In my first go at the page, I listed 5 references. About 13 more have been added by myself and others since then. News articles, press interviews, Deadline and Variety casting announcements make up the majority of links. Slamdunkeroo (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isabel Drescher

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level international medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Comment I have found a couple of things for her on the same website Westfalische Rundschau [58] and [59]. One of these is about her when she is very young and the other one is one long paragraph so still some way short of establishing notability but it gets the discussion started.Canary757 (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tina Albanese

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This person doesn't seem notable enough to me. I cannot find any news coverage about her. Aŭstriano (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article lacks sufficient independent, reliable sources to establish her notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moopaz (talk • contribs) 22:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I think she meets WP:CREATIVE #3: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". Apart from her other work, she co-wrote and co-executive produced 3 seasons of See Dad Run, and that has been the primary subject of multiple independent reviews. Some of the references from the See Dad Run article could be added here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline Gülke

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Non-notable figure skater; highest medal placement was silver at the German nationals. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: A brief google search turns up [[60]], which while paywalled appears to have WP:SIGCOV from what I can read. A couple of sentences here but not what I'd call SIGCOV [[61]]. The corresponding German article has no non-database sources, so that doesn't help the case for this subject. Still undecided here. Let'srun (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. There are other articles about her in Berliner Zeitung such as [62].Canary757 (talk) 11:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  With that additional source, I'm inclined to say this is a weak keep as there are multiple pieces of WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Peggy Batchelor

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Contested draftification of an article on a non-notable actor. There is no reliable source for the WP:OR claim that she was the oldest-ever actor who had appeared in Doctor Who (not that that is even a claim to notability). The source for this claim appears to be a Doctor Who wiki. She fails WP:NACTOR as her handful of roles appear to be minor parts, and they are sourced to IMDb, an unreliable source. She fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO for lack of coverage in independent, reliable sources. There are a couple of articles in a hyper-local village newsletter ([63], [64]), another WP:SPS ([65]), and a self-published as-told-to quasi-autobiography. As for WP:ANYBIO #1, I looked into her Fellowship in the Royal Society of Arts, but it's not a rare honor (there are 31,000 active Fellows) and can be acquired by online application and payment of a fee. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Dclemens1971: Hello. I understand. However, what I do not understand is how some articles such as this one are accepted but not others. This seems like discrimination. There are people as notable as Peggy Batchelor or less notable than her who have pages. Please explain. Spectritus (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not discrimination in any way. It's about independent, secondary, reliable sources. IMDB isn't a reliable source. Wendover News is not likely an independent source. Peggy Batchelor's as-told-to, self-published autobiography is not a reliable, independent, or secondary sources. Pointing to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't make Batchelor any more notable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971: Doesn't the fact someone wrote a book about her make her notable enough? Also, may I ask how users are supposed to find sources if Wikipedia condemns almost all of them?

The author wrote a book "as told to" her, which means it's basically Peggy Batchelor talking about herself, and thus not independent. And the biography was published by AuthorHouse, which is a vanity press and thus it's a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source and not reliable. English Wikipedia does not condemn almost all sources; it has specific standards, and the ones you used in this article don't meet them. If you have questions about individual sources or sourcing more generally, please visit WP:RSN. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Zero coverage found for this individual, acting roles are minor, would not pass notability for actors. A voice role in Doctor Who isn't the stuff of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete She was featured in only 1-2 episodes of each TV show she was in and played relatively minor roles in films. The article itself seems to be fixated on the (likely original research) trivia of her having once been the oldest person who had been a cast member of Doctor Who, which as we discussed in this AfD, isn't particularly relevant or notable. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note I agree this would be better in draft space. She also had a stage career, which has not been included in the article yet. I am sourcing and adding references and information, and will then consider whether she meets notability guidelines. If she is, the article needs editing, as it reads more like a eulogy than an encyclopaedic entry. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Spectritus (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Having found and added sources, I think that she does meet WP:BASIC. There are multiple, independent sources, some substantial, some less so, but they add up. There is coverage across her life in both national newspapers and local papers around the UK (around England, and also Northern Ireland and Scotland). The article could still use some work - I'll work on the lede and info box. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I cannot view the many British Newspaper Archive links you added since I don't subscribe and it's not available through the Wikipedia Library. However, I looked at a few of the other links you added and they don't seem to add up:
- A mention of her name in a radio programme cast
- A single mention in a local newspaper's stage play review: Outstanding performer in a capable cast was Peggy Batchelor who admirably sustained her role of a fussy specimen of nice womanhood with mothering tendencies towards the male Godfrey Bond turned in a splendid piece of characterisation of tne class beloved to English comedy writers the butler who is incapable of being surprised and is always adequate to meet all emergencies
- A user-generated source on the history of a local theater club
- A single reference in a local news story
None of these adds up to WP:SIGCOV. Can you better characterize the British Newspaper Archive sources so editors can properly evaluate them? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I wrote, I think that she meets WP:BASIC - "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." The number of times a source is referenced gives an idea of the amount of detail in the sources - the profiles of her published in newspapers in Tyne and Wear and Cambridgeshire are particularly detailed, while the Belfast source has a bit less. There is more detail in The Stage article about the drama school she founded in Essex that I have not included. There is coverage over many years - 1925, 1938, 1947 all deriving from her appearances at the Wembley Tattoo; 1946-1966 in stage shows; 1970s-1980s as founder of a drama school and as a nationally recognised adjudicator.

You mention that being a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts is not a rare honour. Being a Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama is - information online [66] states "The Guildhall School offers the following honorary awards for distinguished services to the School and to the profession: the FGSM (Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded to distinguished professors, examiners and past students and the Hon GSM (Honorary Member of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded for services to music or drama and to the Guildhall School. Limited to 100 holders at any one time." That is an indication of her professional standing, in addition to the news coverage about her.

I am not suggesting that all the sources contribute to notability - 3 of those you link to provide evidence of facts in the article (her appearances in two radio programmes; the date she left the drama school she founded; the facts that she taught at drama festivals as well as adjudicating, and that she worked at drama festivals in Wales as well as England and N. Ireland). RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Info about sources More info about the sources was requested, so here is the text of the main sources I have found from the 1970s-90s. (Numbers are the current reference numbers in the article.) I included quotes in the article from reviews of her appearances in the 1940s and 50s. As I said above, there is coverage across her life (from 1925-2020) in both national publications and local papers around the UK (from the north-east, east, south-east and south-west of England, as well as Northern Ireland).

1 Next to results of the Ryton Music Festival in the Gateshead Post (in north-east England), a photo of Peggy Batchelor and the following text: "Woman in the festival hot seat PEGGY BATCHELOR F G S M, L G S M who has been adjudicator in the Drama Sections at Ryton Music Festival has had a lifelong association with the Arts, gaining basic training at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and touring many countries during the war with ENSA companies. She then became a founder member of Arts Council West of England Theatre Company followed by radio cabaret and other theatre engagements. Eventually she returned to the Guildhall to become a Professor of Drama and an Examiner for the school. She opened her own school in Essex which she named after a professor who had been such an influence on her life - the Ridley Arts Educational School and Studios."

2 In a Cambridgeshire newspaper (in East Anglia / the east of England), with a photo of Pegggy Batchelor: "To judge the drama THE ADJUDICATOR for this week's Huntingdon Carnival Drama Festival and the “Weekly News" Drama Awards is Peggy Batchelor. Her life has always been associated with the arts - her mother sang at Sadlers Wells and Covent Garden and her father sang semi-professionally. She studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and obtained her performer's diploma. This where she first met Dame Sybil Thorndike who remained a friend. During the war Peggy travelled the world with ENSA companies both as a solo artist and in plays appearing with such people as Vera Lynne George Formby Gracie Fields and many others. After the war she became a founder member of an Arts Council company in the West Country, the company that fostered the talents of Joan Plowright, Edgar Wreford, Charles Jarrott, Malcolm Pride and others. She was invited to appear in a "Scrapbrook" programme for the BBC with Charles Cochran who had known her when she was a child actress dancing before visiting VIPs including most of the crowned heads of Europe. This broadcast led her to being cast in the "Gilbert and Sullivan" series and from that to two years with the BBC. Eventually Peggy decided to concentrate on teaching. She returned to the Guildhall School where she gained her Ministry of Education qualification. She was invited to become an examiner and then a professor of drama. In 1956 she founded the Ridley Studios named after a Guildhall professor who had been such an influence on her life and two years later the Ridley Arts Educational School. She was honoured in 1973 by being made a Fellow of the Guildhall. It is as a member of the Guild of Adjudicators that Peggy is taking part in the Huntingdon Festival which opened at the Commemoration Hall in the town yesterday (Wednesday). There are still tickets left for tonight's and tomorrow's performances which start at 730pm. They cost £1.50 and can be bought at the door. Seven groups are taking part in the festival of one act plays all competing for the best one act play shield and best actor and actress trophies."

12 In the Bucks Herald (in south-east England), three photos of Peggy Batchelor with the text: "Thrills on and off the stage. The real life of actress Peggy Batchelor has been more eventful than that of the characters portrayed in her theatrical roles. She survived a wartime torpedo strike in the Med and being mauled by a tiger to be reunited with the RAF ofﬁcer parted from her 40 years earlier by war. She tells ALEC BROWN of her adventures. FOR Peggy Batchelor the thrill of working alongside stars on stage, radio and television could only be surpassed by teaching. But it is her acting career, from entertaining the troops during the war to Shakespeare plays and a television soap opera, that has given her great richness of experience to draw on. Peggy, of Mill Mead, Wendover, has spent more than 20 years teaching drama skills. She set up and ran the Ridley Arts Educational School in Leighon-Sea, Essex, and now teaches at the Arts Educational School, Tring, and privately. She also adjudicates for exams, lectures and gives recitals throughout Britain, Ireland and in Hong Kong. Her career began as a schoolgirl in Leigh-on-Sea when she joined an amateur dramatic society. As a teenager she trained at the Guildhall School of Drama, London, where she is now an examiner. World War Two interrupted her studies and she joined ENSA — the Entertainments National Services Association. It was then she starred alongside big names like Vera Lynn, Gracie Fields, George Formby, and David Nixon, who later became famous as a television magician. “Vera Lynn was fantastic,” said Peggy. She would go off in a jeep and wherever there were a few men, she would just stop and sing to them. “Some of the ENSA artists were just so brave and really great people. You were all the same — nobody was treated as a star, you all worked together.” After touring hospitals in Britain, Peggy went to West Africa and was on her way to Egypt with ENSA when their boat was torpedoed in the Mediterranean Sea. They spent seven hours in a lifeboat before being picked up. “Between all the work and sometimes rather tragic and uncomfortable situations there were also all these great maments of seeing wonderful places and meeting interesting people,” said Peggy. Then she joined a company which toured India, entertaining troops who were stopping the Japanese advance. She got to know the director of the Tatanagor Steelworks and his two pet tigers. She had loved the animals from childhood and often played with the two pets. But one day one of the tigers turned on her and mauled her. in carbolic and a stay in hospital luckily left her just with scars. But she still loves tigers. In hospital she met an RAF officer in the Medical Corps, who comforted her when she was having terrible nightmares. They formed a close bond but were separated by the war. Then, in 1984, Arthur, by then an Air Commodore, traced Peggy after his wife had died. “We knew it was love and we married,” said Peggy. After the war, she had joined a stage company formed from the ranks of the RAF, which included Bob Monkhouse. Peggy left them to join the West of England Theatre Company, whose president was J.B. Priestley. He picked her for the lead in his play She Came to the City. They also performed Shakespeare, Chekov and Noel Coward plays. In the 1950s she worked for BBC Radio in programmes like Dick Barton and Mrs Dale’s Diary, and on stage as part of a comic double act with Benny Hill. There were also parts at the Savoy Theatre, and Victorian variety shows at the Players Theatre alongside budding thespians like Clive Dunn and Hattie Jacques. In the 1960s she trained as a teacher and set up the Ridley School, which she fitted in with theatre tours and television work, including a part in Emergency Ward 10. Her last tour before giving up to concentrate on teaching was with Shelagh Delaney’s A Taste of Honey. Peggy now has an extensive his! of posts, including member of the Guild of Drama Adjudicators, vicechairman of the Society of Teachers of Speech and Drama and vice president of Aylesbury Arts Festival. As a member of the British Federation of Music Festivals, she met the Queen last summer at the federation’s 70th anniversary celebrations. She feels teaching is the most rewarding part of her career. “I feel communicating is so terribly important, and when you can see somebody blossom and gain confidence, it is so satisfying.” But she has not forgotten her past: “It's lovely going on stage and getting applause at the end. Once on stage, you forget yourself completely. I loved it.”

13 In the Belfast Telegraph (in Ireland), with a photo of Peggy Batchelor with two of the competitors from the sonnet recital class: "Festival talent is praised by actress. NOEL COWARD, Vera Lynn. George Formby, Gracie Fields are among the greats with whom Peggy Batchelor has worked. And this week the English actress is judging at Belfast Musical Festival. Yesterday she began hearing the "small fry" - the young children's verse-speaking - and was impressed. "The standards here are always high because of the excellent teaching. I've been a regular visitor in the past to the Belfast Festival and never have any besitation in visiting Northern Ireland," she said. Peggy has led an eventful life and one of the famous stories about her concerns Noel Coward. When she acted in India some years ago, she was mauled by a tiger, but soon recovered. Coward heard about it and said to her: "Not during the performance, my dear?" Peggy toured with ENSA during the Second World War, but later she turned to teaching and became a professor of drama at the Guildhall School. She pays tribute to the advice of Dame Sybil Thorndike at the school. Dame Sybil, she said, had remained a lifelong friend ever since. The English actress was honoured in 1973, when she was made a Fellow of Guildhall, a distinction shared with such artists as Andre Previn. Dame Janet Baker and Dame Peggy Ashcroft."

26 In The Stage, "'21-Not Out' Southend TWENTY-ONE years ago actress and teacher Peggy Batchelor started Ridley Schools and Studios, now the leading private-enterprise school and dramatic academy in Essex. It was fitting to mark the occasion with a new revue, that genuinely reviewed the problems, like expan sion. and the triumphs, like playing in Berlin, and recording "Oliver" for an American record company. In her brief speech, she forecast the new Ridley Arts Club as the latest addition. The revue, "21 Not Out", at the Cliffs Pavilion, Southend, was cle verly devised by Dennis Boxley and directed by Peggy Batchelor and the faculty, to tell the story, give scope to fifty adults and twenty children, and cover drama, music, mime, opera and choral speaking. Essen tially modern, the direction and choreography were inventive, vibrant and fluent. Among those outstanding were Roland Darvell, Paul Clark and Michael Small. J.K.M."

27 is accessible online.

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Tunku Irinah

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Minor royal and non-notable business exec. Sole claim to fame seems to be a lot of awards received from her own family, though sources on the awards are pretty thin on the ground. In a WP:BEFORE search I could find only passing mentions in Malay and English. A redirect might be the best alternative to deletion, but I couldn't work out an appropriate target, so brought it to AFD for discussion. Wikishovel (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ja'afar of Negeri Sembilan#Issue (her father's page) where she is listed. It might be interesting to check whether her siblings, most of whom are blue links there, are notable? PamD 16:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. The subject is a member of the Malay royalty. Wikipedia:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility actually might be a good place to reach out regarding this. desmay (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe Cynthia_Akanga fails the WP:GNG criteria. Person has brief bios on both linkedin and imdb but very little independent coverage. SallyRenee (talk) 05:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: could not find any reliable source to establish notability most sources are primary and IMDb FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I believe the relevant guideline is WP:ENTERTAINER. It says that the person may be considered notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple television shows or stage performances. Akanga has had multiple roles, two to be exact: a stage performance and a role in a television show. Wikipedia does not have a lot of articles about Togolese women. Conscious of the WP:Systemic bias, I vote keep. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
can you share the source(s) for these performances?

In general, WP:ENTERTAINER does not override WP:BASIC. FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ruud Buitelaar and per WP:ENT. She had significant roles in multiple notable productions. – Anne drew (talk · contribs) 04:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She had an appearance on a podcast and was a substitute jury for an obscure show. What notable productions? FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The French sources are the same as the ones used here, only confirming she was a judge on a TV show, not unlike American Idol is. I don't think that's enough for notability. They are simple "meet the celebrity" articles. Oaktree b (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - terrible sources; only two shows are not multiple shows. One of the shows she appeared is a reality television show; we don't have articles on jurors or those who don't place in the top three. Her 15 minutes of fame was in 1998. I'm aware of systemic bias, but we have deleted lots of articles about White and male contestants, too, like Tyler Neasloney. Bearian (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I insist. I have added a few more references. Akanga was choreographer for Cirque du Soleil and Circo Price. She choreographed shows in Israel and Spain.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you cannot vote twice! FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It is OK by me, @FuzzyMagma, to strike out my vote, but please note that after @Liz relisted the AfD to generate a more thorough discussion, I found new information and references. I think that part at least you should not strike out. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for that. I amended my edit above. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As choreographer for Cirque du Soleil, Circo Price, Cirque Zumba Zumba, Illusia, I think she meets WP:CREATIVE, and there are now reasonable sources in the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Barker

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This has existed for 18 years without a single source which is actually about the actor, and I can't find any sources that are actually about her, as opposed to her being mentioned in articles about her father. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~OK to delete (and recommend deletion rather than redirect, as there are other people with the same name who may be more notable).~~ There actually are more negative reviews of the play her father wrote for her, like "Daddy's girl could do without his help" in The Financial Times. But these are arguably not really about her (the FT review says things like "on this terrain it is hard to judge how good an actress she is"), and otherwise she is mentioned in passing in her father's obituaries and articles about her fugitive brother facing child porn charges. Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no major roles, nor even supporting roles. Very minor roles in one well-reviewed film and a few guest spots on TV. Bearian (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article says "As an actress she worked mostly in theatre", but gives no details, apart from the play Mum. It's not hard to find reviews of her stage work in digitised newspapers - I will add info and references and then consider whether she meets WP:BIO or WP:BASIC. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes it's kinder to delete. But I will bite and expand the article and let everyone else decide. (Perhaps there are 5k pageviews in the last month for a reason.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cielquiparle There is a TikTok "influencer" with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right. Plus everyone else with the same name, like the Director of Film Restoration at Paramount Pictures. Cielquiparle (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Two of us have now added information and sources to this article, which demonstrates that she does meet WP:GNG. There are plenty of reviews of her stage appearances, with significant, positive mentions about her ability and performances. She had major roles in Stepping Out in the West End and Nice Girls in Newcastle, and in several other professional performances of notable plays in Derby, Newcastle, Chester, etc, for which she received very positive reviews (I have not included quotes about all her performances here). There are articles about her (eg here and here) - they do mention her father, but they are about her, not him. No, she did not star in films or TV shows, but WP:NACTOR specifically states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions;" (my emphasis). RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It appears there is sufficient sourcing showing in the footnotes to get this subject over the GNG hurdle. Carrite (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maya Kornberg

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Previously nominated for proposed deletion by a different editor, but was contested on Talk:Maya Kornberg. The article generally lacks verifiable third-party sources and relies heavily on professional pages as well subject's own personal page. Per WP:Notability, candidates for political office are not inherently notable. Nearly all the sources I could find on Kornberg which may be used to improve the page exclusively focus on her council candidacy and the page was only created following her announcement. Her professional career working in NGOs does not appear notable enough for an article. Because of this, I nominate the article for deletion due to a lack of notability and agree with previous attempt under Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. --Stanloona2020 (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:BASIC even without the political candidacy, with coverage such as the independent review for her book Inside Congressional Committees (Columbia University Press, 2023) in the academic journal Congress & the Presidency and the 2010 article about her environmental activism in the Jerusalem Post. She is also quoted frequently in the national media in the U.S. as an expert on Congress and elections. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : The subject looks notable with independent coverages. Gauravs 51 (talk)

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Colette Kaminski

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only non-database source in the article is a student newspaper from the school the subject attended, and a search for additional sources came up empty. Please ping me if additional secondary sources can be found. Let'srun (talk) 17:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Some pretty good coverage here under her nickname. JTtheOG (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sydney Pulver

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I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from third-party sources for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 09:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - It's well sourced, it just may be Wikipedia: Too soon. RossEvans19 23:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there are enough secondary-party sources involved, from The Daily Evergreen, The Spokesman-Review, and Lewiston Morning Tribune. [67][68][69][70] Whether that's enough sigcov in combination per WP:BASIC is another story, but certainly no need for third-party sources here per GNG. There is otherwise coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE, so per WP:SPORTBASIC it's likely there are enough sources for notability, even if not a guarantee. If it's a case of too soon then WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here. CNC (talk) 10:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third-party sources are a requirement for GNG... JoelleJay (talk) 03:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. The Daily Evergreen is not independent and so does not count. The Spokesman-Review and Lewiston Morning Tribune articles are brief, routine blurbs about her signing lightly refactored (as in, would absolutely fail our close-paraphrasing rules) from the same press release, and additionally are far from the SPORTSCRIT #5 requirement, let alone the SUSTAINED SIGCOV in multiple IRS sources required by GNG. I see zero reason to draftify considering her contract ended in 2022 and there is no evidence she continues to play professionally. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, per above I mixed up third-party with tertiary, ie party and person. Agree the student newspaper isn't independent here, and given your reasoning that the subject hasn't been playing since 2022, best to redirect instead. CNC (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players : Agree with JoelleJay that this subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent, reliable sources needed to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, per Evans Reader of Information (talk) 15:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tzameret Fuerst

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Advert. all sources are PR, no in-depth personal coverage --Altenmann >talk 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources on Fuerst's page are terrible, and it's unclear if she meets WP:NBIO. However, her startup Circ MedTech absolutely meets WP:GNG, with WP:SIGCOV in New York Times, Haaretz, Tablet, VoA, Times of Israel, NoCamels, Reuters, among others. I'll go ahead and create Circ MedTech, and propose we redirect Fuerst to Circ MedTech. Longhornsg (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC) 05:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please note and check that the start up got raft of criticism, allegedly unproven scientific benefits. It is mentioned briefly in the book "Thou Shalt Innovate" by Avi Jorisch, pp. 190-191, the book dedicated to the start up 33 words, the book discuss the greatest innovations that came out of Israel. And guess what ? Tzameret Fuerst not mentioned there, but the three founders of the company mentioned there. It is not her Start-Up, she was married to one of the founders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC7:50E:22C2:778:5634:1232:5476 (talk)

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Delete: The circumcision device might be notable [71], but this person is only mentioned in context of the company or the device. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no evidence of significant non-PR coverage of the person. --Altenmann >talk 01:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nande Mabala

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Sockpuppets and likely LOUTSOCK IPs are repeatedly eliminating a redirect, so instead of edit warring I am seeking an AfD consensus to establish a redirect to Miss South Africa 2023. The subject is not a pageant winner, and any notability she has appears to be WP:BLP1E for her placing in that pageant; the coverage that exists is WP:ROUTINE and there is no WP:SIGCOV for a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~: Why redirect in the first place? Edit warring and sock are not ground for deletion. Deal with the users and IP adequately. I also don't think WP:BLP1E applies here. The subject is a model, just like how a musician can be a one hit wonder. She is clearly notable and discussed in multiple RS, meaning she pass WP:GNG. A simple Google search is enough, I'm not gonna try to reference the whole internet here. dxneo (talk) 11:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you supply the specific sources you believe constitute SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to pass GNG? I didn’t find any in my BEFORE, just mentions of her pageant career that didn’t go into substantial depth. P.S. Editor disagreements over a redirect are indeed a valid reason for an AfD discussion per WP:BLAR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I think I'll be back here on the 30th. Can't perform a full search rn, but she did headline multiple RS. Ciao! dxneo (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have seen a lot of secondary reliable source with a significant coverage. I'm wondering how you nominated this article for deletion because what didn't tally with I knew on Wikipedia. [72], [73], [74], [75], [76] and [77] are enough to establish notability, as such it pass GNG [[Special:Contributions 102.91.92.110 (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC) — 102.91.92.110 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Nope, your first, second, and fourth sources are tabloid coverage, and per WP:SBST, tabloid journalism is not significant coverage. The third source is a Q&A interview and thus a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. The fifth source is not an journalistically independent publication; it's a local booster/hotel room magazine. The sixth source, while not a Q&A, is composed almost entirely of quotes from Mabala and appears to based solely on an interview with her and is thus also a primary source. We're not at the point of WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG yet. By the way, since this is the first time this IP address has edited Wikipedia, can I ask what accounts you've previously used? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to discuss this "interview is a primary source" thing, because that's where information normally comes from. If another publication quotes that interview, no one would say it's "primary". If the interview was published by a reliable source, then it's most definitely reliable. dxneo (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not on my laptop so not going to type a full reply, but between this recent long discussion thread and WP:INTERVIEWS, there’s a robust consensus that merely being interviewed does not make one notable and that any content that is entirely or almost entirely dependent on an interview with the subject is not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I'll comment on the notability of the subject in the next few days. dxneo (talk) 09:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In addition to the sources mentioned above, there are feature articles about her in the Sowetan, Dispatch, Worcester Standard, Star, and IOL. Plus coverage in the Sunday Times. Sure, a lot of the content is from interviews with Mabala, but these are by no means straight Q&A and are about as hard-hitting as you can expect of journalism about beauty pageants. I doubt that many models would pass WP:GNG if only investigative journalism qualified as secondary sources for the purposes of establishing notability. Jlalbion (talk) 11:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of not appearing to bludgeon the discussion I’ll refrain from further comments in this discussion, other than to say that I reviewed these additional sources in my BEFORE and did not find them to pass the bar of independence (as single source interviews) or of SIGCOV (as tabloid coverage). I don’t edit much on beauty pageants and perhaps there is a local consensus at AfD on sourcing for pageant participants that I’m unaware of, so I’ll let the community decide without further input. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Although some of the sources are questionable, there is enough coverage in mainstream news to meet notability. Rublamb (talk) 00:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: She was fairly discussed here, her career history and all. Here is her acedemic record from the University of Western Cape. Headlined multiple RS as mentioned before. Enough to support keep. dxneo (talk) 02:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a WP:BLP that needs real WP:SECONDARY sources to establish notability. Routine coverage, interview and profiles don't make. Recent consensus on interviews states that it doesn't establish notability, even if there is a lot of them, and not somebody like this person doing the PR round. There is not 1 secondary source here. Not 1. Its all routine junk. Lastly she hasn't even won anything and the two references that were recently have the same exact information. They are not in-depth. And the reference provided above "https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-who-is-miss-sa-south-africa-second-runner-up-nande-mabala-natasha-joubert-bryoni-govender-18-august-2023/" is taken from social media making it completely unreliable. It states in WP:BLP "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources.". Where is that here. scope_creep^Talk 08:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Adding a source assessment table of sources presented in this discussion per Liz's request.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Dclemens1971
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/s-mag/fashion-beauty/2023-07-25-miss-sa-top-10-nande-mabala-wants-to-show-the-kids-back-home-that-it-is-possible/	The article is based entirely on an WP:INTERVIEW with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.			✘ No
https://www.dispatchlive.co.za/lifestyle/entertainment/2024-11-04-miss-sa-runner-up-mabala-brings-hope-to-buffalo-city-youngsters/	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.			✘ No
https://www.netwerk24.com/netwerk24/za/worcester-standard/nuus/nande-is-miss-world-semi-finalist-20240605-2	The article is based entirely on the subject's social media posts and interviews with her and her mother, and does not appear to include independent reporting.	Article uses promotional language like "In a dazzling display of grace, poise and an unwavering commitment to social impact..."		✘ No
https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/miss-sa-runner-up-earns-top-10-spot-in-miss-world-sa-pageant-339ca451-69d0-4624-90a2-2017809ca7f8	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.			✘ No
https://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/style-beauty/beauty/no-sour-grapes-from-nande-mabala-despite-missing-out-on-miss-world-sa-crown-again-a5cd04f7-d4bb-467c-98bf-6549f3594b6b	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.		Tabloid coverage is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
https://www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/2023-08-16-watch-superstar-welcome-for-miss-sa-second-runner-up-nande-mabala-on-her-return-home/			Short article, WP:ROUTINE coverage.	? Unknown
https://www.uwc.ac.za/news-and-announcements/news/uwc-alumna-vying-for-the-miss-world-crown	The article is published by the subject's alma mater and thus not independent			✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-who-is-miss-sa-south-africa-second-runner-up-nande-mabala-natasha-joubert-bryoni-govender-18-august-2023/	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.		Tabloid coverage ("celeb news") is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/local-celebs/bryoni-govender-miss-supranational-venue-date-miss-sa-runner-up-nande-mabala/	The article is based entirely on the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.		Tabloid coverage ("celeb news") is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/local-celebs/bryoni-govender-miss-supranational-venue-date-miss-sa-runner-up-nande-mabala/	The article is based entirely on the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.	Includes WP:PROMO language like Nande Mabala’s journey has been undoubtedly nothing short of inspiring	Tabloid coverage ("celeb news") is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Dclemens1971
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.news24.com/news24/community-newspaper/worcesterstandard/local-miss-sa-finalist-20230531	The article is a Q&A interview with the subject.		✘ No
https://www.capetownetc.com/news/nande-mabala-from-worcester-aims-for-miss-world-sa-2024-title/	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.	This is a hotel-room marketing/local booster magazine.	✘ No
https://www.netwerk24.com/netwerk24/za/worcester-standard/nuus/miss-sa-hopeful-is-a-proud-zwellie-20230614-2	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and consists almost entirely of quotes from her.		✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, this is a nonsensical assessment. What is SIGCOV? What is GNG? Has the subject headlined multiple RS? Start there. To say sources are "entirely" based on interviews is something else too. Sources state her age, birth place, what she's known for, academic records, achievements and so on. Try again mate. dxneo (talk) 14:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I offered a source assessment since the closer asked for one. Feel free to do your own. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Next time don't be bias, be fair. Anyway, thank you. dxneo (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dxneo You've just accused me of bias without offering evidence. That's a serious accusation. Please withdraw your accusation or take it to my talk page or WP:ANI if you believe my actions are biased. I've articulated my rationale and pointed to discussions and essays that underlie it for why the interviews of the subject are not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you mean as in "what do they stand for?", "what are they being used to refer to in this context?", or something else i'm missing? because if it's that first one, the links are right there

would also appreciate some elaboration on what you think is nonsensical or biased about them consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 15:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I'm out. dxneo (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

in the meantime, delete for 3 main reasons

the sources, as dclemens noted, are at best of debatable usability, with only one having a chance of not not meeting gng
the article, as it is, is a little too promotional for something 9 lines long, and might need the tnt treatment
it's also way too short, which, for someone with this many sources (usable or otherwise), really shouldn't be the case
admittedly on the petty side, but i want to see how long it'll take for that sock to attempt to recreate it

...what do you mean that's not 3? have you tried cleaning your glasses? consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 16:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are we discussing notability or the length of the article? dxneo (talk) 17:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

both, as the entire article is judged in afd. as is, while nande might be notable (specifically as defined by wikipedia), sources establishing notability (specifically as defined by wikipedia policy) haven't been found at the moment, and the article could use at least two more lines of text when (and if) sources are found. as an example, gusttavo lima's article could use some work, but it's got at least 11 lines of text (maybe even more!), with citations for most of the claims made in it consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 17:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhavadhaarini

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