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Aparokṣānubhūti
[edit]Zoe Slatoff, Beyond the Body: Yoga and Advaita in the Aparokṣānubhūti:
In this thesis I translate the entire Dīpikā and look at key verses in some of the other, more recent commentaries to understand how and why Yoga and Advaita have been integrated together over time.
Plus another recommandation: Chip Hartranft. One article, one interview, and a translation of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Rarely read such a lucid explanation. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:24, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks - will definitely read. Asteramellus (talk) 23:19, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've been wondering: if Advaita Vedanta and Yoga were integrated - for compellingly good reasons, 'cause what's the difference between knowing that "you" are purusha, 'pure' awareness, and knowing that "you" are Atman-Brahman, self-luminous awareness - then why are they presented as different 'things'? Isn't this a western approach, neatly classifying each and everything? The basic is the same: preparing mind & soul by abstinence and good behaviour; stilling the mind; recognizng awaring-an-sich. And, maybe, Shankara's Advaita wasn't that u ique or special after all; Brahmins wedded to orthodoxy (textual exegesis, deviating from it was social suicide) but thrilled by the yogic-sramanic traditions, which they legitimized with their peculiar exegesis. Remember, it's yogic Advaita which became really popular. Thoughts, thoughts.... NB: Advaita Vedanta is ideologically relevant as representation of correct, orthodox, Vedic dharma, which also relativezes the importance of the liberative aspect. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I share your concern about neat categorizations. I also agree that there is something deeply similar in both traditions. But the disagreement between the two is hard to ignore - one is committed to a strong distinction between purusha and prakriti (Samkhya), and the other rejects this given its rejection of dvaita-ness. But I think you are thinking more from the "yogic advaita" "blend" (or synthesis) that helped bring the yoga practice into mainstream through efforts from many including RM and Vivekananda. It truly shows how flexible these various school of thoughts are...I like to dig deeper in them. Also, wanted your thoughts on what I am finding with my readings so far - Self-inquiry (Atma Vichara) appears to have been seen as more difficult a practice than Bhakti (sort of less "taxing" on one's mind).
- Also, not sure if you have come across this, but I recently came across some youtube videos at Yamsox Lives - and their story (in faq on their personal page) - interesting thoughts there. Asteramellus talk) 23:51, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've been wondering: if Advaita Vedanta and Yoga were integrated - for compellingly good reasons, 'cause what's the difference between knowing that "you" are purusha, 'pure' awareness, and knowing that "you" are Atman-Brahman, self-luminous awareness - then why are they presented as different 'things'? Isn't this a western approach, neatly classifying each and everything? The basic is the same: preparing mind & soul by abstinence and good behaviour; stilling the mind; recognizng awaring-an-sich. And, maybe, Shankara's Advaita wasn't that u ique or special after all; Brahmins wedded to orthodoxy (textual exegesis, deviating from it was social suicide) but thrilled by the yogic-sramanic traditions, which they legitimized with their peculiar exegesis. Remember, it's yogic Advaita which became really popular. Thoughts, thoughts.... NB: Advaita Vedanta is ideologically relevant as representation of correct, orthodox, Vedic dharma, which also relativezes the importance of the liberative aspect. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)