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Requested move 7 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Move the article to 2023 Israel–Hamas war. See the extended explanation at the bottom. Fuzheado | Talk 21:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict → ? –
October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict → 2023 Palestine–Israel War, or
October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict → 2023 Gaza–Israel War, or
October 2023 Gaza–Israel conflict → 2023 Arab–Israel War
– with the government of Israel declaring a state of emergency and war and most of the important palestinian groups involved in it, it only makes sense for it to be called a war rather than a conflict Abo Yemen✉ 11:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

DarmaniLink (talk) 05:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Support alternative Palestine as a whole is not involved to my knowledge,only Hamas and by extension Hamas-occupied Gaza.The article should be changed to ''2023 Hamas-Israel war'' or just ''Hamas-Israel war'' Roma enjoyer (talk) 09:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC) information Note: Wikipedia:ARBECR and WP:A/I/PIA restriction applies. Shaan SenguptaTalk 11:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Support for “war”: I weakly support the “2023 Israel-Palestine War” naming, however I would give full support to 2023 Gaza-Israel War. 78.171.44.45 (talk) 10:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC) information Note: Wikipedia:ARBECR and WP:A/I/PIA restriction applies. Shaan SenguptaTalk 11:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose. The title implies that Israel is fighting all Arabs instead of solely the belligerents listed in the infobox. Framing this as a generalized ethnic conflict is misleading. Lunaroxas (talk) 16:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. The war is between Hamas and Israel, not Arab nations and Israel. And like others have pointed out, Hamas does not represent all of Palestine. Not all members of Hamas are Arabs, and not all Arabs are members of Hamas. TwistedAxe [contact] 09:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support Most news outlets label this as the most significant war in the region since the Yom Kippur war. Hamas in the south, Hezbollah in the north, now Iran is apparently involved, as well as the US which is sending warships to the region. This is not just a shootout, or a dispute, this appears to be a war with regional players involved. Even if just a proxy war, it's still a war. Completely Random Guy (talk) 02:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Support - largely reported by media as a 'war' now Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 04:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
2023 Gaza War is the only title that makes sense to me. Charles Essie (talk) 04:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Yes, it's a war. I'm surprised it hasn't been renamed yet. Is there even one example of media or politicians calling it a conflict? Hamas has ground forces in Israel. Netanyahu specifically referred to it as a war. Hamas has called bombing Gaza for a war crime. It's very clearly a war. 82.147.226.240 (talk) 06:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC) information Note: Wikipedia:ARBECR and WP:A/I/PIA restriction applies. Shaan SenguptaTalk 06:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia has turned a bit into a joke. Everyone but Wikipedia is calling it a war. Even Hamas has talked about war crimes. Netanyahu has declared war. Why not call it what it is? 82.147.226.240 (talk) 10:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC) information Note: Wikipedia:ARBECR and WP:A/I/PIA restriction applies. Shaan SenguptaTalk 11:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment: Fatah, which leads the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, is officially involved and clashes are being reported in the West Bank. It now makes sense to use "Palestine" or "Palestinian" in the title instead of "Gaza" or "Gazan." AmericanBaath (talk) 10:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC) information Note: Wikipedia:ARBECR and WP:A/I/PIA restriction applies. Shaan SenguptaTalk 11:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Support - this is now labelled a war by Financial Times Oneequalsequalsone (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support - This conflict has been labeled as a war by many people including the media and Palestine and Israel officials I think that this should be labeled as a "war."
CostalCal (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Agreed. The Israeli President literally declared war. The "conflict" started in 1948. Also, it's about more than just Gaza, although they are being focused on by the media and bombed excessively, all of Palestine has been under an active apartied state since the unlawful colonization in 48. 136.37.8.145 (talk) 18:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose: The situation is very complicated, is it really a war though? So far it's armed skirmishes between the Hamas lead Gaza Strip, the Fatah lead West Bank has largely been silent. Unless there is an official reply from the Palestinian Authority, the current title should stand. BlueOcean02 (talk) 23:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I’d consider it currently a war between Israel and Hamas, Israel’s Prime Minister has declared war. Justanotherguy54 (talk) 10:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Oppose - The PLO has not declared war and so the article doesn't deserve to be renamed. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 02:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Poor argument. Same can be said for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - is that not a war? Russia has never really declared war on Ukraine, and instead called it a "special military operation". Just because technicalities such as PLO not declaring war on Israel itself doesn't mean that this isn't a war. TwistedAxe [contact] 09:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support alternative Hamas-Israel war or Israel-Hamas war. Israel’s Prime Minister has declare war. Justanotherguy54 (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support - I support "2023 Gaza-Israel War" as this involves only Gaza, not all of Palestine, however Hamas is not the only belligerent against Israel. The PM of Israel has seemed to declare this a war over the past few hours as well, so this is the best option in my opinion. JustHereToLeave (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Strong Support - 2023 Gaza-Israel War. Teutonkahmun (talk) 13:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support - 2023 Gaza-Israel War. There's been numerous conflicts where war was NOT declared, and with similar casualties, that have been called a war. The Football War, for instance. Lisanicolas (talk) 14:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support It should be classified as a war now 76.67.100.214 (talk) 14:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support - "2023 Gaza-Israel War" or "2023 Hamas-Israel War". Arakui (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment: It make sense about the attack occurred outside Gaza, so the second choice won't fit. The first choice also fair, but there was attacks outside the Palestine regions (Southern Lebanon). The third one might be fair as the Palestinian side are all Arab. I have no choice. Toadette (let's chat together) 18:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
You can add new suggestions if you want to Abo Yemen✉ 18:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support: 2023 Arab–Israel War seems the best title right now. All the Palestinian territories are involved as well as Arab operatives in Lebanon. There has been a(n informal?) declaration of war and the violence/mobilization is on par with previous wars in the region. natemup (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
2023 palestine war: Nope, because its focused on Gaza, not Palestine as a whole. Also vague.
2023 Palestine–Israel War: See the above.
2023 Gaza–Israel War: better.
2023 Arab–Israel War: Yes, let's drag ethnicity into this.[sarcasm]
Edward-Woodrow • talk 19:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment

There have been a large range of proposed titles so I thought I'd sum up the possibilities raised so far.

Year disambiguator:

Option 1) October 2023 (status quo)
Option 2) 2023 (all alternative proposed titles have not included the "October".

Location descriptor:

Option A) Gaza−Israel (status quo)
Option B) Palestine−Israel (RM proposal)
Option C) Gaza (proposed by EkoGraf, "2023 Gaza War)
Option D) Israeli−Palestinian (proposed by VR)
Option E) Arab−Israeli (proposed by GloriousExistence)
Option F) Hamas−Israel (proposed by Red-tailed hawk)

Conflict descriptor:

Option i) Conflict (status quo)
Option ii) War (RM proposal)

What I'm seeing so far is that most people seem to favour "2023" over "October 2023", there is no consensus about the location descriptor, and also that despite the declaration of war there is relatively little support for changing the "Conflict" to "War". As a result it seems like the most likely title will be "2023 Gaza−Israel conflict" unless opinion changes. Am I missing anything? Chessrat (talk, contributions) 13:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@Chessrat Can Hamas Invasion of Israel also be proposed on the line of Russian invasion of Ukraine. Please note that Russia attacked Ukraine first and now both are in a war attacking and defending against each other. Same is the case here. Hamas invaded and now both are in a state of war. I put this before too in the discussion above. I was told that Hamas in not a nation. So is al-Shabaab (not a nation). But 2022 al-Shabaab invasion of Ethiopia exists. Then I was told that how am I saying that Hamas initiated this. Well if we compare it with Russia-Ukraine situation then Russo-Ukrainian War was going on by separatist forces. But then Russia escalated and invaded Ukranian formally and Russian invasion of Ukraine was made. Similarly Gaza–Israel conflict and regular clashes were going all the time but then Hamas escalated and invaded Israel. There was also a claim that according to reports only Hamas is not involved others too are. For that in Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia invaded and then Russian-backed forces like Wagner joined. Similar case here Hamas invaded and then Hamas backed forces (allies) like Hezbollah joined. Can we consider my proposal too like all other. Shaan SenguptaTalk 13:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I think Gazan invasion would be more appropriate if we are to be inclusive of all groups. Borgenland (talk) 14:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hezbollah is not in Gaza Parham wiki (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hezbollah has not inflicted direct land-based military operations, so it would be hard to call it "Gaza-Hezbollah Invasion of Israel," or something of the sort, just based off of Hezbollah launching air strikes on Israel as military support for Hamas. Dark Energy9 (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support move to 2023 Gaza-Israel War, descriptive and without any technicalities that may be misleading
DarmaniLink (talk) 10:20, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
This is a nice summary that is well reasoned and is consistent with existing naming conventions. It may be useful to survey what reputable media outlets are labeling this event, since WP:COMMONNAME does advise us to consider what reliable sources are using. - Fuzheado | Talk 14:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Year disambiguator: 2023 as this stands out from rest of conflicts and clashes in 2023, more so if it is to be named "war."
Location descriptor: Gazan–Israeli as per @Artemis Andromeda.
Conflict descriptor: War Wiki6995 (talk) 16:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Changed my view Wiki6995 (talk) 18:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose. We need to wait until and unless the Palestinian National Authority or Palestinian Liberation Organization speak on the issue. Lunaroxas (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
    The PLO has nothing to do with Gaza as they are based in the west bank Abo Yemen✉ 16:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
    That's precisely and exactly why I am in opposition to the change. Lunaroxas (talk) 15:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
    How about 2023 Gaza-Israel conflict? Abo Yemen✉ 16:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - I do think it should be titled as a war, since war has been declared by Israel on Hamas. However, there is a chance that the war may spill into other regions, such as Lebanon and the West Bank, should Hezbollah and other groups decide to join in support of Hamas. If this happens, calling it something like the Israel-Gaza War would be incomplete. Adding a descriptor of a year, "2023 Israel-Gaza War" may be inaccurate too, we don't know how long this war is going to go on for. There is something about "Palestine-Israel War" or "Gaza-Israel War" that sounds a little clunky to me, though. (PaulThomas92 (talk) 16:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC))
    The article name can be changed if 2024 starts Abo Yemen✉ 18:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment given the reasoning in some of the above votes, just thought I should clarify this: while two of the belligerents are technically a part of the PLO (de jure rep. of the State of Palestine), the West Bank (as a geographic polity) is not actively engaging in significant military offensives against Israel and Fatah-aligned troops (which represent a significant proportion of Palestinians militants) for now. In any case, whatever your vote, it should be based on how the majority of secondary sources are framing. btw this is not a vote Cheers, Dan the Animator 18:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support - This has clearly evolved into a war. A conflict is a brief period of violence, but now major, devastating attacks are taking place between the two sides. This article should be renamed 2023 Gaza War or 2023 Gaza-Israel War. PlanetDeadwing (talk) 18:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Strong Support This is clearly a war! War has been declared as well. Bobherry Talk My Edits 20:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support Gaza-Israel War or 2023 Gaza-Israel War War has been declared & this is being described as a war by many sources. It’s affecting parts of Israel & Gaza as well. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support – At this point, it is a war, both formally and de facto. Israel's response is not a limited operation. WP:RS are also widely use the term "war". I would suggest 2023 Hamas–Israel War, but 2023 Gaza-Israel War seems reasonable too. --Mindaur (talk) 21:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support – This is a war. It is more of a war than the Russian invasion of Ukraine, since this war has been formally declared. 2023 Hamas–Israel War seems like the best name at the moment (until World War III becomes more appropriate). ERBuermann (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose, yes it's a war, and no, I oppose it anyway, because it's WP:TOOSOON. Editor time should be respected, and unless you want to have Requested moves every couple of days for who-knows-how-long as things evolve, we should just sit tight for a while. We don't have a WP:CRYSTAL BALL, and we don't know if tomorrow or the next day Lebanon will be involved, or Syria, or who knows what-all else. All the good suggestions above can be REDIRECTs for now. Everybody understands what the current title means, everybody hears the word "war" in the news, and it's all fine, so le'ts just chill for a while. Mathglot (talk) 22:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Strongly oppose. As of now, this is a Gaza-Israel thingy. There are Palestinians in the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon, and who knows where else. I don't see any of these Palestinians fighting Israel, so far. Also, Palestinians make up a significant share of Israel's population, sit on its parliament, and rule in its government. Again, I do not see any of these Palestinians revolting. So, no cigar por any "war" between Palestine and Israel, as of now.XavierItzm (talk) 22:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
@XavierItzm: would you support "2023 Gaza-Israel war"?VR talk 12:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
@Vice regent:Yes, of course. 2023 Gaza-Israel war OK. XavierItzm (talk) 13:55, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Support – It should not contain "Arab", as it's too disingenuous and ambiguous, and while other organizations like Hezbollah have been involved, not to the extent that it could be considered a large Arab war against Israel. This is a war, as stated by both sides of the conflict. Gaza is more geographic, and since its de facto controlled by Hamas, and Hamas is the military organization that coordinated, initiated, and is the main belligerent in the attack, the name should use the term "Hamas", though "Gaza" is acceptable. Thus: 2023 Hamas–Israel War or 2023 Hamas–Israeli War, with acceptability in it being 2023 Gaza–Israel War or 2023 Gazan–Israeli War. The current name is too long. Dark Energy9 (talk) 22:28, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Edit: to follow WP:COMMONNAME, it should be Hamas–Israel War (2023). Dark Energy9 (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support for names "2023 Gazan–Israeli War" or "2023 Gaza–Israel War". I personally think it should be "Gazan–Israeli" instead of "Gaza–Israel", as names of wars usually use adjectives/demonyms in the titles.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 01:17, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Just from a quick google search, most English-language RS now clearly use the word "war" in editorial voice to describe the article subject (ex. The New York Times, CNN, Washington Post, Financial Times, Haaretz, Deutsche Welle, NPR, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Vox, U.S. News, Foreign Policy, etc.). I support "2023 Gaza War" for WP:CONSISTENT and WP:CONCISE but I don't really mind "2023 Gaza–Israel War" either. StellarHalo (talk) 03:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support any rename that includes war. In particular 2023 Gaza-Israel war per WP:COMMONNAME. Israel should be included as it started with an invasion of Israel. Israel has responded by taking the war to Gaza. There are skirmishes on the border to Lebanon but these appear to be small compared to the fighting around Gaza. AncientWalrus (talk) 03:28, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment There appears to be consensus for the "conflict"->"war" rename and to drop "October". Should this be done now and there can be a new RM to discuss whether or not Gaza should be replaced by "Hamas", "Palestine", "Arab"? AncientWalrus (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Source(s) for this would be great AncientWalrus (talk) 08:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Netanyahu declared "war" and described it as a "long and difficult war".
Meanwhile, the page title is more biased than Netanyahu's far-right Zionist regime. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 09:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Israel formally declared war against the Palestinian militant group Hamas on Sunday (Washington Post
The Israeli government formally declared war Sunday on Hamas militants in Gaza (Voice of America)
Israel has formally declared war on Hamas (CNN)
Let's do a quick survey of news outlets:
Outlets that use a term in the article body:
Outlets that only use a term in headlines, or haven't picked a term at all:
  • Financial Times: "Israel-Hamas conflict" in headline, but uses the term "war" in body copy (source)
  • Politico doesn't seem to have chosen a term yet either; "attacks in Israel", "outbreak of violence in Israel" (source), "Hamas’ surprise weekend attack on Israel" (source); doesn't seem to use either "war" or "conflict"
  • Stratfor doesn't seem to have picked a term either
  • Axios (website): "Hamas attacks", "Hamas attacks on Israel" (source), no term for the overall conflict
  • New York Times: "Israel-Gaza War" in headline but not body copy (source)
  • CNN: "Israel-Hamas war" in headline but not in body copy
I support moving to "2023 Israel-Hamas war", which seems to best reflect sources, though sources are not yet unanimous and we may want to wait. DFlhb (talk) 11:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment I already voted otherwise somewhere much further up but given RS usages I would now also support "2023 Israel–Hamas war". Chessrat (talk, contributions) 12:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
@Chessrat: I'm pretty sure that Israel is also at war with Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which holds several Israeli hostages, so saying "Israel-Hamas" is not quite accurate.VR talk 12:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
That is true, but it is what reliable sources are using for now. Given how quickly this topic is developing I honestly don't have a huge preference between Gaza–Israel/Israel–Hamas/Israel–Palestine as they all have valid arguments for them, I'm fine with any title that uses "war" rather than "conflict". Chessrat (talk, contributions) 12:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
@Chessrat: I agree that RS seem to use all three of those combinations and its not yet clear which of them, if any, are used by majority of sources.VR talk 12:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support 2023 Gaza-Israel war per others above.VR talk 12:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support using the term "war". For example, 2023 Gaza-Israel war or 2023 Gaza war would be ok. Wikisaurus (talk) 13:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment The RFC wording was changed half way through? Theoretically this means that all the !voters prior to that should be pinged and avised to reconsider their votes. Actually, I think the original wording should be restored, it is bad practice to change an RFC question after replies have been made.Selfstudier (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
    Comment Given the speed of progression of events, I don't think it makes sense to consider the earliest votes as being relevant at all, given that the earliest discussion happened before the declaration of war even happened. This RM has now been open for three days and events have developed massively over the course of those three days, and whoever closes it needs to bear that in mind. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 15:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
    It is not for editors to decide whose vote is relevant and whose not. Maybe a completely new RM will be needed as a result. The closer will decide it. Selfstudier (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
    Name the article, "The Simchat Torah Massacre". Hat599 (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Support for possible name change, but suggesting more alphabetical name: I do not see the logic of using "Palestine" before in title. If there is going to be name change, then I would bat for 2023 Israel–Palestine war or "2023 Hamas–Israel war/conflict". I would cite WP:AND for this statement for my proposal.
  • Support 2023 Hamas-Israel war per DHlfb; Strongly Oppose 2023 Gaza-Israel War and 2023 Palestine-Israel War. The war is very specifically between Hamas and Israel, not the Palestinian Authority. Even framing the war as being between "Gaza" and Israel is misleading and implies collective responsibility for the actions of Hamas by all Gazans - that is embedded with bias. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
WAIT A MOMENT, ERRORS ARE BEING MADE Many people are expressing opinions, which is fine. Almost nobody is following WP-COMMONNAME even though they cite it. While putting "2023 (something)" might be a Wikipedia tradition, it fails WP-COMMONNAME. If Wikipedia wants to keep it's ways then maybe "Something (2023)" might be barely acceptable.
BBC, Sky News, CBS, CNN, Al Jazeera, Channel News Asia, New York Times and PBS all use Israel-Hamas War or Israel-Hamas war. CNBC uses Israel-Hamas conflict. Nobody uses 2023. Based on this information, the Wikipedia title should be Israel-Hamas War or Israel-Hamas War (2023) with a possible referral link to "not to be confused with....and list other Israel conflicts with Hamas or Gaza.
But if Wikipedia wants to be weird, then go ahead with lots of made up names and go ahead violate WP-COMMONNAME 17:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC) Factchecker 0001 (talk) 17:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended summary of RM close

The decision has been made to move the article to 2023 Israel–Hamas war. There are three major questions to resolve here, based on WP:COMMONNAME as used by WP:RS and the sound reasoning of those particpating in the move discussion – 1) Is "war" the common term being used to refer to this event? 2) If so, what do reliable sources use as a term to refer to the event? 3) Do we need a year as per WP:NCEVENTS? Addressing these individually:

  1. WAR: The requested move was initiatited shortly after the article was started. The RM conversation was then affected by Netanyahu informally saying, "We are at war," [3] and not long after that, the Israeli cabinet made an official declaration of war [4], leading to yet another direction in the RM discussion. Therefore, in evaluating the RM, we must remember it is not a straight vote, as WP:RMNOMIN says to evaluate arguments, "assigning due weight accordingly." The consensus clearly went towards calling this a "war" as an article title.
  2. TERM: As shown in the analysis of sources below, the overwhelming majority of English news outlets use "Israel-Hamas war" as of 20:00 UTC, October 10, 2023. Some news outlets are inconsistent, such as the NY Times and Al Jazeera. "Israel-Hamas war" is not only what Wikipedia:Reliable sources use, but news outlets focusing on the constituents rather than the geographic entities makes sense. The war is not with "Gaza" per se, but with the militants of which Hamas is the most prominent. There were a number of novel and new titles suggested by Wikipedia users for the conflict that don't appear in any reliable sources (using Arab, Palestine, or Gazan, for example). This is a reminder that using any of these when news outlets are not is not consistent with WP:NCEVENTS and would be considered original research.
  3. YEAR: The consensus leans towards including the year given the responses. The actual Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events) policy also says, "Some articles do not need a year for disambiguation when, in historic perspective, the event is easily described without it." There have been enough conflicts between Israel and Hamas over the years that "easily" does not accurately describe this scenario. (Additionally, Wikipedia already has an article titled Gaza–Israel conflict, which describes events from 2006 onwards, so using the year for this article helps distinguish it from that one.) We can always revisit this later if the opinion changes.

Conclusion

Given the above, the title 2023 Israel–Hamas war is the one appropriate at this given moment. As the situation and facts change, so might the title of this article.

Anaylsis of reliable news sources on the war naming issue

  • Israel-Hamas war
  • Hamas-Israel war
  • Israel-Gaza War
    • NY Times (sometimes) - [20]
    • BBC News - [21]
    • Al Jazeera (previously) - [22]
  • Other or indeterminate
    • NPR - [23] (war with Hamas)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuzheado (talk • contribs) 21:11,10 October 2023 (UTC)

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