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I needed to make these two edits [1] and [2] manually because I was not provided with the user CSD in Twinkle's CSD form. I was instead provided with only the general and the redirect CSD. Is that desirable behavior? --Izno (talk) 16:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out a massive vandalism run which I believe used Twinkle's unlink function. This was done by now blocked User:I2padams. I know there has been some discussion about limiting it to admins, so now that it exists maybe there can be some discussion about perhaps limiting it to extendedconfirmed users.--☾Loriendrew☽☏(ring-ring)21:53, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
I suppose I could reluctantly agree to that. On the one hand, I am largely opposed to using extendedconfirmed for anything beyond the bare essentials. However, unlink isn't exactly a commonly-needed tool (I don't think I have ever needed to use it outside Twinkle development), and its use is mainly confined to administrative and semi-administrative work, so I can see why this might be a good thing to stop disruption by unfamiliar or bad-faith users. — This, that and the other (talk)09:43, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Twinkle posts Welcome messages above the "Talk header" template.
Please see this instance where Twinkle incorrectly placed a Welcome message at the very top of a user talk page, even above the {{Talk header}}. The Talk header should not be pushed down like that. I don't know if this was a once-off glitch or a consistent bug. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
On the admin side of things, one complicated multi-step process is the imposition of bans and sanctions, both AE and Community. It involves closing the request, looking up the specific template for the occasion with the exact parameters you need (a tricky thing to memorize, and general purpose ones don't satisfy the requirements of WP:ACDS), leaving the right one on their user talk, notifying all the parties, and logging at the appropriate location. Once it is all set up, the edits have to be saved in a specific order (God help you if there are edit conflicts) and diff links copied and pasted into subsequent edits in the sequence. It can take up to half an hour to prepare all the paperwork, so to speak, even after an admin has determined the consensus. I believe something like this would greatly benefit from semi-automation, much like we have AFD closing. The WordsmithTalk to me17:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Question
Why is "Evidently a vandalism-only account" greyed out but not other things like spambot account? Could it please be made that you can use that option, and also please change account to account/IP. --TerraCodes(talk to me)04:04, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@TerraCodes: (1) Where are you seeing this greyed-out option? Selecting the "arv" tab and then the Vandalism option, I see a tick box with these words and not greyed out. (2) We don't have a notion of a "vandalism-only IP", as an IP may be used by different people and is blockable only on a very recent sequence of vandal edits and after due warnings: Noyster (talk),08:56, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the vandalism-only option is available when calling up "arv" from a user-talk or contributions list for a registered account, but greyed out for an IP. This is how it should be, as pointed out by Loriendrew and me: Noyster (talk),23:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Three checkboxes ("Mark page as patrolled when tagging (if possible)" under "Speedy deletion (CSD)", "Check the 'mark page as patrolled' box by default" under "Tag", and "Mark page as patrolled when nominating for AFD (if possible)" under "Warn user") should be made hidden from WP:TW/PREF when a Twinkle user does not have the new page reviewer user right. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 02:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Currently, if an editor has been blocked before (but is not blocked anymore), Twinkle will issue a remark that states that the editor has been blocked before, and the blocking admin is then redirected to the blocklog. Can that message be adapted in such a way that it states the date of issue, the length, and the block-reason for the last block on said account - referring admins to the blocklog for more info? (if the previous block was for A, and I intend to block again for reason A, I will just increase the previous block length, which is a common practice I believe - directly seeing the last block would speed up that process). --Dirk BeetstraTC10:22, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
@Dirk Beetstra: First of all, I'm not a Twinkle developer. But I know m:User:Perhelion/userstatus.js does something like that, but on the user's user and user talk pages. It won't always reliably load, though, and it'll sometimes show IPs as being unblocked when they're blocked. I know the creator of the script, m:User:Perhelion is actively working on it, though. Perhaps the code they use could be debugged and adapted for use with Twinkle. —Gestrid (talk)13:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I do use scripts like that, but they do not work within Twinkle. I believe that for Twinkle, they have to be 'hardcoded', you can't script over Twinkle. --Dirk BeetstraTC03:16, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I didn't mean that Twinkle would "call" the script. I meant that, with the original author's permission, it could possibly be hardcoded into Twinkle, provided the bugs were worked out. (I mentioned the one about blocked IPs above. There's also one where, sometimes, a user's info won't load.) —Gestrid (talk)03:44, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I recently was trying to use Twinkle to revert back to a revision on Charles Kelman to remove some copyright violations and I kept hitting a filter. The revision would have reintroduced {{persondata}} which is blocked by Special:AbuseFilter/783. After multiple attempts to get Twinkle to work (and not knowing why it was failing) I did it manually and finally saw the filter alert. During the attempted Twinkle revision there was no warning, no notice, nothing to indicate why the revision was failing. In fact, the normal green text kept coming up giving the implication that the revision worked. Perhaps there could be a notice that shows up when these revisions fail due to a filter so people at least know why their revisions failed. Thanks! --Majora (talk) 21:54, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
I seem to remember that when the edit filter intercepts an edit (to either "warn" or "disallow" it), it doesn't provide Twinkle much information to work from. I'll see what the current situation is; it might actually be a problem with the edit filter itself (phab:T57460), or a Twinkle-specific issue. — This, that and the other (talk)06:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
@Majora: I've come up with a fix, so that trying to perform such a rollback will show a message Grabbing data of the earlier revision: The edit was disallowed by the edit filter rule "Disallow adding {{persondata}}". It will be deployed on-wiki soon. — This, that and the other (talk)12:49, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
As always, let me start by stating that I know nothing about coding, etc, so if this is a stupid question I apologize in advance.
That being said, here's the issue: UAA is set up with buttons after each report so admins can initiate a block directly from UAA, which is helpful because the bot immediately sees this and removes those reports (UAA is perpetually backlogged so getting rid of reports that have been handled already is very helpful). However, all it does is block, so the admin then has to either use Twinkle or manually edit to add the block notice. Is there a way to integrate these two functions? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:44, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Adding a newline after the tfd tag to avoid mangling tables
When a template starts with a wikitable, the addition of the TfD tag mangles the table, but could be fixed by adding a newline after the TfD tag. I propose doing this only when the template starts with a wikitable, since otherwise it's not necessary. see the edits on Template:UK School Results for an example. Frietjes (talk) 19:27, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
A recent edit to {{rfd}} added a |showontransclusion= parameter to {{rfd}} which, if set, causes pages transclusding the redirect to show a notice. Twinkle should also provide this option when it is used to list redirects at rfd. Pppery03:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
@This, that and the other: I originally suggested that this feature be opt-out rather than opt in, but Jackmcbarn converted it to opt-in, saying I didn't even know that template [{{rfd-t}}, which this feature was added as part of a merge with], existed prior to today. Since its use seems to be very rare, I've made some adjustments to the code so that no changes are required in the common case when it's not used.Pppery14:29, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
My reasoning for this is twofold: 1) this change was the result of a TfM, and the template that used to do this was almost never used, and nothing in the TfM said it should be made default, and 2) it's not important if a template redirect is getting deleted to pages that merely transclude it, since these must all be repointed before the deletion can go through anyway, with no real effect on the pages themselves. I'm open to changing this back if there are reasons to do so, but I don't know of any right now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:23, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
uw-agf-sock edit summary
Minor bug, but giving a user an agf-sock warning through Twinkle produces an edit summary of Warning: Using multiple accounts on Username, linking to the username as if it were the name of an article (eg. 1). --McGeddon (talk) 09:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
When I give that warning with Twinkle, there's no username box, just a linked article box, so I'd expect that whatever you put there gets linked like an article. Are you seeing something different? Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:24, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
[Error] Failed to set referrer policy: The value 'origin-when-cross-origin' is not one of 'no-referrer', 'origin', 'no-referrer-when-downgrade', or 'unsafe-url'. Defaulting to 'no-referrer'. (Cyberpower678, line 19)
[Error] Failed to set referrer policy: The value 'origin-when-cross-origin' is not one of 'no-referrer', 'origin', 'no-referrer-when-downgrade', or 'unsafe-url'. Defaulting to 'no-referrer'. (Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle, line 19)
[Error] Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 500 (HTTP/2.0 500) (queryTasks, line 0)
[Error] Failed to set referrer policy: The value 'origin-when-cross-origin' is not one of 'no-referrer', 'origin', 'no-referrer-when-downgrade', or 'unsafe-url'. Defaulting to 'no-referrer'. (index.php, line 21)
[Error] Failed to set referrer policy: The value 'origin-when-cross-origin' is not one of 'no-referrer', 'origin', 'no-referrer-when-downgrade', or 'unsafe-url'. Defaulting to 'no-referrer'. (List_of_Pokémon:_Sun_&_Moon_episodes, line 19)
Well clearly something's happening. It's getting a little annoying not having access to the brown "Restore the revision" button on the top of those revisions, after a boat load of speculation, sneaky vandalism, crystal balling.—cyberpowerChat:Offline02:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Twinkle working as it shouldTwinkle not working as it should. Notice the missing Twinkle menu that's supposed to show between the Page dropdown and the search bar.
@Cyberpower678: I notice you have a few other features enabled, like Revision Slider and article assessments. Try turning those off to see if Twinkle works correctly. If you manage to identify the problematic tool or feature, please post here and I will look into the problem. — This, that and the other (talk)07:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Heads up that {{Uw-thumb4}} was deleted after a discussion at TfD. I don't believe it's in Twinkle by default, but there was a notice in the documentation requesting a courtesy post here if it's nominated for deletion/deleted, so here you go. Doubt this affects much of anyone. ~ Rob13Talk04:54, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
The documentation seems to take what "rollback" means for granted, neither explaining nor linking to* the concept.
Without Twinkle you can undo edits. With Twinkle you gain the ability to rollback.
What is "rollback" and in what ways is it different from "undo". *) The only link provided, WP:ROLLBACK, specifically says "not to be confused with Twinkle rollback".
Is it possible to add additional talk page templates for reverts? The most obvious being "non-notable list entry." It would also be useful to include a "blank" template so we can just write in our reasoning. Justin15w (talk) 20:03, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Agree {{uw-badlistentry}} is a frequently wanted one, although I usually follow up by changing "entity" to "person", "company" or whatever. As for the blank template, even though it would only save a couple of clicks relative to going direct to their talk page, if it encourages a few more personal messages it may be worthwhile as well: Noyster (talk),10:42, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Changes to Template:Welcome non-latin
Hi Twinkle users. I've made a change to the Template:Welcome non-latin template, fixing broken links, removing one orphaned language (Khmer), and adding ISO 639-1 language codes to each entry to avoid ambiguity with languages that use the same or similar script. This shouldn't break anything, but since I'm unaware of how Twinkle works, I thought I'd let you know just in case. If you find something wrong, please let me know, or WP:FIXIT yourself if you are able! Thanks! AlexEng(TALK)03:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
General question about reverts
Hello, oftentimes I see an IP editor make two or three changes to a page - the first one or two will be vandalism and the third will attempt to clean up the vandalism. Should we consider this as users testing the editing function (benign) or users attempting to get post count up or some other reason? Oftentimes I am unable to revert because the page is exactly the same as they left it before they began editing. Other times there are minor differences which allow me to revert all the edits. Should we revert these or look the other way? Thanks for the guidance. Justin15w (talk) 18:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
If the user has reverted own edits, there is nothing more for us to do. You can give them a welcome message. {{subst:welcomelaws}} is my favourite. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
So, this discussion I had with a user bought up a common issue with page patrolling with Twinkle; I'll move an article into draftspace, the article creator will then copy and paste the article back into the same spot, and someone else will nominate the article for CSD, with Twinkle informing me instead of the actual article creator. Jean Stair and I are wondering if there's a possibility that Twinkle can check for the "real" author after an article is moved. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @ 03:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I dream of horses for starting a topic here. As of now, the only solution seems to be to not use Twinkle if such a draftspace-mainspace situation is at work. Checking the history of the page would give this info, but it's time-consuming. Any thoughts here? Jean Stair (talk) 07:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Twinkle also, as far as I know (and understandably), notifies the wrong author in cases where a title was originally a redirect or dab but an article was then written. Given that dabs and redirects are identifiable, it would be great if it could work out who was the first author to create an actual article at the title and notify them. PamD08:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
In most cases there shouldn't be a line break after the TfD notice. Not having a line break causes the issue for templates that start with tables, which must begin on a new line. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC) 19:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
@Zackmann08:This caused the problem since the template starts with a table {|. If this were done to an inline template (e.g. {{citation needed}}), it would add a line break in each transclusion. As an inline template, it would not display as intended.
You're correct in that it's the same kind of problem, but in this case, it isn't exactly the same problem. It needs a separate fix, which I will address now. — This, that and the other (talk)01:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Please tweak default settings for oversight blocks
I was rather surprised to discover just now that the default when issuing an {{OversightBlock}} with Twinkle is 31 hours, autoblock disabled, account creation not blocked. Oversight blocks are serious business, they should always be indefinite, autoblock enabled, account creation disabled. If the default settings could be changed to this that would be great. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:28, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi I've noticed numerous times today the Twinkle doesn't reload the article after a rollback. (I only use the regular rollback, not AGF or vandalism, so I don't know about those.) Anyhow, after a rollback, page displays "Grabbing data of the earlier revision: Saving reverted contents" and doesn't refresh. Unsure if this is on purpose, but it's different than how it typically works. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Yep, same here, have had this happen every time I've used it today. As for other functions, at least reporting to AIV works, but it also opens in a popover dialog. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed this same problem. It saves the edit, but doesn't go back to the page, just leaves me on the "Grabbing data of earlier revisions: Saving reverted contents" page. Thought it was a problem with my connection at first; good thing multiple people are experiencing this problem as well. JudgeRM(talk to me)00:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Long-time editor, but new using TW. I tried tagging a section with an "Unreferenced section" tag, but the message shows up at top of article. I had the section opened for editing, but did not work. Does TW not have ability to tag a section? DonFB (talk) 11:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
When I use TW XFD feature in tewiki, it creates a page with the name "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PAGENAME", where as, it has to create "వికీపీడియా:తొలగింపు కొరకు వ్యాసాలు/PAGENAME". This is not happening even after translating the notices and changing the page name (Article for deletion;Afd-notice;Article for deletion/dated). I think I have to translate some more, but could not find any. Any help is appreciated. __Chaduvari (talk) 07:15, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
CSD R3 does not notify page creator
When I nominate a redirect under WP:R3, it does not automatically notify the creator of the redirect, it happens with every other CSD criterion (except G6 and G7, for obvious reasons), but it should do the same. - CHAMPION(talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Tweak wording when adding custom rationale to username blocks?
Currently, if you are issuing a username block with a custom rationale, the twinkle prompt says "you have been blocked for..." when in actuality the template says "You have been blcoked because your username, <username>...". So if you take Twinkle at its word you end up writing a rationale that is gramatically incorrect. Of course we should always preview such things, which I do, and then see that my rationale doesn't make sense and have to go back and rework it. Can this be fixed? Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:24, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
AFD tagging an article with an existing CSD tag
I noticed something strange about Twinkle: if an article has a CSD tag and a user tries to tag the article for AFD, even if the user tries to cancel the nomination, Twinkle will only show a prompt asking if the user wants to remove the CSD tag; clicking on "Cancel" will result in the tagging pushing through without the CSD tag being removed. By contrast, Twinkle gives a warning when attempting to tag for speedy deletion an article with an AFD or PROD tag; clicking cancel will abort the operation. Can this be changed? There have been occassions where I try to nominate an article for deletion, but while I was tagging it, the article had already been tagged for speedy deletion. Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew16:52, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Reporting a user will trigger a mention to them for most cases
Today marks 10 years since the first "Twinklefluff" script was created by AzaToth. Twinklefluff was originally just a tool to roll back unwanted edits, but as other tools and features were created to complement it, it evolved into the Swiss Army knife that we know today as Twinkle.
I don't have the tools to know for sure, but extrapolating from current rates of Twinkle use, it's probable that several million edits have been made with Twinkle in the past decade – and that's just on English Wikipedia, not counting the many other projects where Twinkle is used.
Let me take this opportunity to acknowledge and thank some of the major contributors to Twinkle over the years:
Aaron Schulz, the editor (and now WMF coder extraordinaire) whose early rollback scripts were the inspiration for Twinkle
AzaToth, who came up with the idea for Twinkle and developed most of the modules you use today
Ioeth, who created Twinkle's welcome and tag modules (among others) as part of the "Friendly" gadget
MusikAnimal, who has maintained the tool in more recent times and wrote Twinkle's block module
The many other users who have helped write or maintain Twinkle's code, reported bugs, suggested ideas for new features, or answered others' questions on this page
I hope you will all agree that Twinkle has made Wikipedia easier to maintain. By freeing us from some of this place's bureaucratic drudgery so we can focus on what actually matters – writing an encyclopedia – Twinkle has made us all better editors.
Wow! This wonderful, thanks for sharing This, that and the other! For those reading this that are not in the know, TTO's involvement should not be overlooked. I don't know exactly what all you've done, but I know it's a lot more than me :) It seems you may be the most longlasting, consistently dedicated maintainer over the years, so I can't imagine where we'd be without your help. It certainly been a great pleasure collaborating on this project, and I look forward to what the next 10 years will bring. Long live Twinkle! — MusikAnimaltalk04:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks to all ivolved for making and maintaing Twinkle! I really don't know how I lived without, both for CVU and normal editing! Have a great day.L3X1My Complaint Desk22:49, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Hey all, I filed this SPI case through Twinkle. The process went: User:Ishq Hawa Mein > TW > ARV > Sockpuppeteer
Upon submitting, the resulting page was not formatted typically. There is a bare {{subst:SPI report|socksraw= template. Windows 10, Chrome. Thanks for looking into this, and if you need more info, please let me know. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Cabayi, aw geez... I'm an idiot. Thank you for the reality check and for fixing the problem at the SPI. That'll teach me to assume problems before I double-check my own work... Sorry everyone! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:06, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Please enable redirects in the "User:" namespace to be tagged with {{db-u2}} by using Twinkle. Please see User:Gua-Le-Ni; or, The Horrendous Parade for why I'm asking for this. The aforementioned example is not the first time I've run across this issue, though I cannot recall any specific other examples I've run across in the past since the last one I found I probably found months ago. Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello everybody. I've been using Twinkle for a while, and to my surprise, I never caught this before. There is no WP:OR-related welcoming template for Twinkle. If an welcoming template was left on my talk page as a new user that did not specify exactly how I did not follow guidelines, and explain accurately why my edits were reverted, I know that I would be more than confused. Would the Village pump be the right place to suggest an additional Twinkle welcoming template covering WP:OR? If so, would you all be willing to get behind such a proposal? If not, why so? Thank you for your feedback. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball!22:16, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Boomer Vial: Would {{Welcomeunsourced}} come close enough to what you would like to see? Or {{uw-nor1}}, although that's not listed as a welcome? – both of these are already on Twinkle. If not, then it's a two-stage process – (a) get a new template created: I'd suggest going to this page with a suggested wording and justification; (b) when someone has created the template, come back here to request inclusion in Twinkle: Noyster (talk),09:49, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Noyster I'm not sure what you're asking me. Are you asking me for request for a new version of {{uw-nor1}} be created specifically for use in Twinkle? Also, is it not feasible to use the already created "original research" template as a base for a new welcoming template for Twinkle? Sorry about any confusion, but I'm absolutely terrible when it comes to these types of specific technicalities. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball!05:35, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Templates are not made specially for Twinkle Boomer Vial, instead Twinkle offers a selection of all the user talk templates. "Selection", because otherwise the pick lists on Twinkle would become unmanageably long. So as I say, if you feel there is a gap in the market for a more welcoming version of {{uw-nor1}}, it will be necessary to first propose a new template at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace, then come back here to seek agreement to add it to Twinkle. The wording of any new template could certainly be adapted from existing templates, but you would have to be prepared to justify the need for it: Noyster (talk),18:10, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Is there a reason why Twinkle defaults to "Extended confirmed" when setting page protections? Shouldn't it be just "Autoconfirmed" as the default? My understanding was that EC should only be used under specific conditions and not at discretion. Also see previous discussionczar01:31, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
It should only default to ECP for create protection, per the RfC that I can't dig up right now (BU Rob13 would know more). The idea being ECP is less restrictive but usually as effective as full protection, which was the older default for create protection. Anyway if you're seeing ECP as the default on live pages then it's a bug, please confirm :) — MusikAnimaltalk22:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks—yes, I was referring to create protection. Good to know that it was on purpose. I'd appreciate a link to the RfC if anyone knows where it is. I imagine other admins will be surprised by the default too, so might be useful to link it czar22:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
I think this is the RfC, which permits ECP for any use, assuming autoconfirmed doesn't do the trick. But either way, the idea is to use the lowest effective protection level, which would seemingly be ECP in this case. Autoconfirmed might work, but we were using full protection as the default up until that change was made. Best practices around create protection in general don't seem to be well-defined, so erring on the side of caution seems best, in my opinion — MusikAnimaltalk23:02, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@MusikAnimal and Czar: It was WP:ECPP2, actually. Keep in mind the previous default was always sysop, with autoconfirmed being used very rarely (almost unheard of). ECP was a downgrade that the community got firmly behind. The RfC close didn't state a default, but ECP was approved. If you read the comments, it's fairly clear the community overwhelmingly preferred it to sysop when ECP creation protection would do a good enough job. ~ Rob13Talk00:21, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
SPI report edit summary
If I use Twinkle to report PuppetB as a sockpuppet of MasterA, the edit summary is "Adding new report for MasterA (TW)" - wouldn't it be clearer to say it was a new report for (or of) "PuppetB"? The resultant watchlist/contributions entry at the moment is:-
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MasterA (Adding new report for MasterA. (TW))
This is a low priority request. Could {{db-error}} be added as one of the possible tags in the CSD dropdown menu? Pages obviously created in error are one of the most common non-controversial housekeeping tasks that could fall under WP:G6, so it would help to have a preloaded explanation for it in the Twinkle menu. Thanks! Mz7 (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Tagging and reporting copyvios
Is there any chance Twinkle could include the option to tag an article as a copyright violation? What's required, per WP:CV101, is to add {{subst:copyvio|url=link to the source text}} at the top of the article, then add two templates produced by the boilerplate template to daily copyright notice board and the user page of the creator. I'm sorry if this can't be done or if it's been asked before, but I couldn't find any discussion in these archives. To me it doesn't seem any harder from a technical standpoint than CSD tagging, and it would make this process a lot more efficient. Thanks! Triptothecottage (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
PC revert I assume. Recently something changed and the twinkle options stopped showing up on PC diffs. Sorry I cannot give you a more informative answer, but this wonky stuff is out of my pay grade. John from Idegon (talk) 02:50, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
"Television" missing from the dropdown menu for 'Notability' tagging
I just noticed that the 'Television' category is missing from the dropdown menu options for tagging an article with 'Notability' tag. (This is not surprising, as 'Television' was only added as an option to the {{Notability}} template within the past few months...) Anyway, could somebody please add a 'Television' option to this menu? TIA! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:50, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Issue when deleting pages
Hi,
Recently a user was created under the name "RapeMan222". The user has now been blocked but they after tagging their talk page for deletion as pure vandalism, Twinkle warned the user who created the page when giving them an unrelated Twinkle warning.
Custom welcome when nominating for Speedy Deletion
I often come across articles by new users who have written an autobiography or a page about their company/music group/etc. When I nominate for speedy deletion, {{First article}} gets put on their page. However, in these cases, {{Welcome-auto}} or {{Welcome-COI}} would be more appropriate. Could the CSD window either have an option to not welcome new users (just for that nomination) or to choose an alternate welcome template? I know I can disable the welcome for all A7s, for example, but I'd like to be able to do it on a case-by-base basis. --Ahecht (TALK PAGE) 23:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
An RfC has closed to remove the grandfather clause for the BLPPROD process, and the clause has been duly removed from the written instructions, but previously-grandfathered pages (e.g. Matt_Miller_(quarterback)) still trigger a warning on Twinkle: "It appears that this article was created before March 18, 2010, and is thus ineligible for a BLP PROD. Please make sure that this is not the case, or use normal PROD instead." Is it possible to remove this? Thanks (and hope I'm asking at the right place, do let me know if this should be directed elsewhere.) Innisfree987 (talk) 20:41, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Nota, the Matt Miller bio actually does have a source in an older version of the entry, so it wouldn't be eligible for BLPPROD anyway, but just as an example to see the Twinkle warning brought up by date of creation/the former grandfather clause. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:35, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Open user talk page after these types of reversions
This just changed from opening the talk page in the same browser window for every revert to opening a new browser window after each revert. What gives? Latest version of Windows Firefox. --NeilNtalk to me16:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: You edited your Twinkle preferences last year, telling Twinkle to open talk pages in a new window. That's in the Twinkle preferences panel at "When opening a user talk page". If Twinkle was giving you a new tab until very recently, it's possible that you've changed your Firefox preferences. In Firefox, Tools>Options>General includes an option "Open new windows in a new tab instead". -- John of Reading (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
@John of Reading:, no, it's still giving me a new window. But for years, this is how it worked:
Open Firefox (call this the main instance). Go to Wikipedia. Pull up a diff and click "rollback vandal".
A new Firefox window would open without all the chrome (tabs, toolbars, etc.) showing the user talk page.
Add template or whatever to the user page in the new window.
Go back to the main instance. Pull up a new diff. Click rollback vandal.
The new user talk page would replace whatever was in the window opened in step 2.
Now, every click of rollback vandal opens a new Firefox window. The way it worked before was great as I had the main instance of Firefox on one screen, usually with multiple open tabs, and the constantly refreshed "user talk page" chromeless window on a second screen. --NeilNtalk to me14:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: OK, you are not the only one. I warned a couple of editors and Twinkle successfully re-used the same second window. I then upgraded to Firefox 52.0 and this has stopped working; I now have several user talk pages open in separate windows. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: I can't reproduce :/ I'm tested it using Firefox 52.0.1 64-bit on OS X El Capitan. Maybe you're using Windows? It seems odd that would be the culprit — MusikAnimaltalk16:36, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
@MusikAnimal: Looks like it's being caused by an addon called Tab Mix Plus. It was last updated in January so it's a combo of that, the new Firefox version, and the Twinkle code. Going to be a hassle to figure out so I may have to find another addon that can lock tabs. John of Reading, do you have this addon? --NeilNtalk to me00:24, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
CSD - "The speedy deletion of this page is contested" user responses
Hi, when I nominate an article for speedy deletion, the article gets tagged with a template encouraging others to explain why the article should not be deleted. Which is great, except that new users (the ones most likely to be shown this template) then click on the "Contest this speedy deletion" button and get taken to the talk page of the article which says something like "This page should not be deleted because (enter your reason here)" which they do not know how to fill in appropriately and often just leave blank. I've seen this a dozen times or more over the past five or six years of WP:NPP, and it is terribly confusing for new users. We need to have the CSD defense process more thoroughly explained, and I tried looking for a way to do this but spent 45 minutes or an hour and failed (one template calls another template calls another... and I just get lost). I am not sure how best to introduce new editors to the concept of defense of an article nominated for speedy deletion, but the current method (i.e., throw them into a Talk page and hope they figure out how to complete "(fill in reason here)" correctly) is categorically not working. This is an example of a wiki-competent template editor not being able to foresee what a newbie will experience when wanting to contest a speedy deletion nomination. I don't know how to fix this, though I tried without success to figure out a way to do so. I am now mentioning the problem here in the hopes that someone will be able to do what I could not, because it totally needs fixing. Thanks. KDS4444 (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi KDS4444, the message that is displayed to the user is defined by {{db-notice}} and it's family of templates. If you think adjusting the language would help, Template talk:Db-notice would be the place to raise your concerns. Perhaps you feel a different workflow entirely would help, in which case WT:CSD or maybe WP:VPM are better venues. Twinkle's functionality merely reflects the current accepted workflow, and changes to that would require broader input than this talk page can provide. Sorry we cannot help any further! — MusikAnimaltalk18:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Quick Deletion add warning option
I would like to suggest a feature where when you nominate an article for QD using Twinkle, it gives you the option of adding a warning to the User's page. I'm primarily edit on Simple Wiki, where it would be very useful,MiloDenn (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Move the "TW" drop down menu
Wondering if we can move the "TW" drop down menu to the left of read? The problem is that it loads later than the other buttons "read, edit, view history" and than pushes them to the left so you end up often clicking on the wrong one. If the TW button was on the left rather than the right this would not cause a problem. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:30, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
It looks like Doc James is being ignored here, but he raises a valid point that I myself have been annoyed by many times in the past. Can we please have someone either look into this or explain to us both why this cannot be done? Thanks. KDS4444 (talk) 14:24, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@Doc James and KDS4444: Not being ignored, we just didn't get to this or didn't see it :) Unfortunately I don't think this is possible, at least for the Vector skin. The menu functionality is broken if not in the "p-cactions" area, where your More menu is. There are some undocumented Twinkle preferences to put the menu anywhere on the page, optionally using simple links instead of a dropdown, but this requires an understanding of the DOM structure (e.g. using your browser's development tools). I played around with these options and couldn't figure out a nice presentation for Vector. There may be other solutions to prevent the JavaScript loading issue, but I don't think moving the menu to the left is one of them. Sorry! — MusikAnimaltalk18:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what they could do, here the JavaScript is changing the DOM so even behind ResourceLoader we can't make it go any faster. Allowing menus before the tabs is a design decision that frankly I'm not super fond of. Using CSS as a placeholder makes the most sense, methinks, but I also worry if anyone has changed these secret Twinkle menu settings, in which case the CSS hack may cause unexpected results. It's certainly worth a try, even if it means we retire these settings, as those who changed them probably did so because of the issue you (and everyone else) are experiencing. The same happens with WP:MOREMENU, for instance, and any other gadget/script that appends menus to p-cactions. I'll try to look into this soon, both for Twinkle and MoreMenu — MusikAnimaltalk18:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, the more I thought about this, the more I realized how widespread the consequences would be, and the less likely I realized it would be to ever occur. Which is annoying, to be sure, but Doc and I will survive! Thank you, MusikAnimal, for looking into this. Much appreciated. KDS4444 (talk) 09:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Does Twinkle currently implement any of the features of the former WP:FurMe. If not, the tag that promises devastated FurMe users that they can now use Twinkle is a red herring. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 02:30, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Although I've never used Twinkle, I get the impression that whenever you use it to tag a page for speedy deletion, Twinkle automatically warns the user that created the page. Could Twinkle be instructed to check if the creating user is currently flagged as a bot, and instructed not to warn the user if it is a bot? When this IP's talk page was tagged for deletion as vandalism, Twinkle warned the antivandal bot that created the talk page with {{uw-vand1}}. I can imagine someone running an approved bot task to create a pile of redirects, and then, some time later, someone replaces one of the redirects with a spam page that gets Twinkle-tagged for {{db-g11}}, and again it would be absurd to warn the bot for violating WP:ADVERT. Nyttend (talk) 02:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Welcome when warned
Should Twinkle include a welcome message when warning a user for the first time (and, in the process, creates a new talk page), similarly to what it does when you notify someone of a CSD or PROD? It seems like it would be a little more friendly, and perhaps help new users. Kharkiv07 (T)01:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
please visit this page. This notification is created by twinkle tool. So, I need to translate English wording 'Proposed merge with' to my language. Where/How can I do it? Can you give English wikipedia's reference template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjunkmohan (talk • contribs) 13:42, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
When I use "rollback (VANDAL)]" it doesn't open the talk-page of the person. Twinkle says that it has open the talk-page(I get the message "Info: Opening user talk page edit form for user blabla"), but I don't see it. I'm on Safari (Mac). Karlpoppery (talk) 14:07, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Turns out my problem was that I was blocking pop-ups. I allowed pop-ups on safari and now it works. I'll clarify this on the article. Karlpoppery (talk) 02:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, and there are a few other issues as well. I've reverted it so no more PROD on File pages for now, but will get a working version out soon :) — MusikAnimaltalk16:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
@Samwalton9 and Train2104: I think we need to create some new notification templates for File PROD, see Template:Proposed deletion templates. Sharing them may not work unless we set it up so that you can pass a parameter to change the language. E.g. Template:Proposed deletion notify says "the article", "articles for deletion", etc. Let me know when we've got the new templates set up and I'll update the Twinkle code accordingly. I've got all the other bugs fixed, and am also adding the rarely used Book PROD. Best — MusikAnimaltalk17:39, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
In the interest of WP:DONTFEED, is there a way we can tweak some thing a bit so that we don't post the username in the edit summary when someone reports to UAA? Maybe say something along the lines of (Adding one username report) rather than saying (ReportingUser:FUCKYOUALLWIKIPEDIACANSUCKMYDICK) for all 1,300 UAA page watcher to see popping up on their feed. TimothyJosephWood18:58, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I find it useful to spot what's become of my UAA reports. The alternative, a UAA log along the lines of the CSD log, would provide a searchable bit of "food", while the UAA edit summary isn't searchable. Just my 2¢. Cabayi (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Chazz Miller
I want to develop a page for Chazz Miller in Detroit to help other be aware of the history of destroying blight in the city.
One user mentioned Chazz in Eliza Howell Park but there is not Wikipedia page for him.
Or anything that he does.
This is an issue I see with African American's not having access to their history online.
This is an actually person of relevance for the Art World in Detroit and has been around along time.
Some of the articles may not be appropriate but he's been documented by Wayne State University, The Detroit News Media and other blog sources.
This person is Credible, for african american history in Detroit and for the Black people who also live in Old Redford (Detroit)
when reporting a user to AN/EW, twinkle doesn't grab diffs for warnings, or for the last good version, or for the talk page. just for reverts on the article. -- Aunva6talk - contribs00:35, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Marking a page as patrolled is a configurable option for CSD, AfD, & Tagging but not for PROD. Is there a reason or is it an oversight? Cabayi (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
@Cabayi: The idea here is that any user could come along and remove the PROD tag without justification, meaning that we are back to square one as far as that article is concerned. That's why we don't mark the page as patrolled upon PROD tagging. — This, that and the other (talk)11:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Help, please
Hi, long-time user, first-time poster.
I'm not sure why, but I suddenly seem to have lost Twinkle. When I edit from a difs page, I no longer have my usual options to revert, AGF or otherwise. On my Preferences - Gadgets, Twinkle is checked. When I open Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences, however, it tells me I must have Twinkle installed to see preferences. I've cleared my cache. No help.
I assume it is relevant that I recently switched my anti-virus to Norton, within a week or so of the problem.
Can this template be added back under "Single issue warnings"? I remember using it from there, but it seems to have been removed now. — LeoFrank Talk13:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Rollback (AGF) pre-fill missing
"rollback (AGF) - Performs rollback, then provides an edit summary box, pre-filled with an AGF label" turns out not to be the case. I got an empty box, but the eventual edit summary did have a canned "Reverted good faith edit..." phrase before my custom text. I don't know whether this is a bug in the implementation or the documentation; I just wanted to raise the issue with the developers. David Brooks (talk) 18:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Inquiry about having a new single issue warning template listed in Twinkle
Hello, I would like to inquire on how to get a new warning listed in Twinkle under the single issue warnings? I have created Template:uw-takeover which, upon discussion on Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace (which pointed me here), I would like to see about getting listed in Twinkle as it could be beneficial to editors reverting/patrolling for vandalism and I have already found a need for it a few times within the past couple of days. Thank you for your time and I am open to any input. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:28, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
@Aunva6: It is a specific template created for the specific situation of article/page takeovers with links to help the user in finding AfC, the draft namespace etc (as asked & answered here with examples of edits/vandalism this is intended for). It is intended mainly for first time offenses (why I have it listed as a single issue warning), after that vandalism/disruptive editing warnings would definitely make the most sense.
Not a problem, I should have linked them in my original message so I apologize for that. Do you still have any objections to it being added EvergreenFir (question goes to anyone reading this as well)? I am also open to suggestions on how to improve it. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 14:37, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: I do see overlap with other templates ({{Uw-consensus1}} comes to mind). But I have seen the issue you are trying to address where a user will basically blank an article and put in whatever content they want (often unrelated). I don't see a harm in having a specific template for this under single-issue notices or warnings (I am leaning more toward notices as I am assuming some-to-most are done in good faith but just an issue of being new to Wikipedia). I would suggest adding a link to WP:SANDBOX and maybe WP:DRAFTS. To be clear, this is for non-spam/advertising behavior, correct? EvergreenFir(talk)14:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Be nice if the warn/notify dialog box had an extra line showing if the user had been blocked in the past. Bonus points if the date/time and duration of the last block were displayed. --NeilNtalk to me17:49, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Copyvio revdel request
Would it be possible to add a function to Twinkle similar to the way the 3rr reporting works for a revdel requests (ONLY RD1) that uses the Template:Revdel function? I find when I am reviewing AFC drafts in particular that this would be useful but it is often consuming and burdensome as it's not like a lot of our every day templates where it's a single line of text but requires several different items. Ideally it would allow for a user to select which revision (like 3rr) is the start and end as well as options to add copyvio urls (and multiple if necessary.) So in short, what I think would be useful would be:
Select first revision that needs to be revdel'd
Select last revision that needs to be revdel'd
URL(s) of source to copyvio
I hope this makes sense, I'm not really sure how to request functions for TW but if there's a better way to do it, please let me know! :) CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯00:33, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I second this as someone who routinely cleans up after Chrissymad ;) Also pinging wiae for thoughts, as I frequently revdel behind them as well. Primefac (talk) 01:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I would use this if it were implemented. If possible, it would be nice to have checkboxes to select the first and last diff as with the 3RR feature. /wiae/tlk02:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
As a fairly frequent contributor to copy patrol, I've come to realize that my process could be more efficient. However, I'm not quite following how it would work with twinkle which may mean I'm not carrying out the most efficient process. If the copyvio exists in the first edit, I used twinkle to tag it but I try to follow the four eyes principle so I typically tag it and leave it for someone else and do not revdel, which wouldn't even make sense in connection with the deletion.
If the copyvio is an edit to an existing article I will use the rollback AGF option, and then separately revdel the versions. So I would find it very helpful if the rollback feature had an option to do rev del. However, this doesn't sound consistent with the request here, so I might incorrect to be using rollback? Should I be using twinkle for reversion? I don't even know how to use twinkle for reversion.--S Philbrick(Talk)15:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, the request is for Twinkle to have the ability to add the {{revdel}} tag in a slightly easier manner than "remember all the parameters" (i.e. it's primarily for non-admin use). Primefac (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi there. Inspired by a recent request at WP:VPPR, which in turn pointed me to phab:T8964 - a pretty old request to add a feature to MediaWiki which will probably not be worked on anytime soon - I was wondering whether Twinkle could include an option to "temporary watchlist" pages? Oftentimes the automatic watchlisting is only useful for a few days, weeks tops, but items on the Watchlist stay there forever unless removed manually. My idea would be this: A new option in Twinkle called "watchlist temporarily". If enabled, TW will add all pages you watchlist using its functions to a special user subpage for tracking. Then, whenever you add a new page to your watchlist, the script will - while already reading said page to add the new page - check which pages have "expired" and remove them from the Watchlist at the same time. Could that be done? Regards SoWhy07:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Support If Twinkle could actually provide this I'd jump at it! What a chore it is to have to regularly purge your watchlist before it reaches a transfinite size: Noyster (talk),08:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Support more than anything I've supported in my life...my WL is currently so big that I can't even remove entries from it unless I do it one by one (or find someone to nuke it for me) and it takes anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute and a half to load. CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯11:09, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
I think that could be more easily achieved by an external tool that parses your Watchlist, checks all AFDs and then removes the closed ones. Regards SoWhy12:06, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
SoWhy I don't know much about the technical side of any of this but would they have to change the privacy part of the watchlist function to do that? Or would the tool go through oauth or something? CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯12:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm no coder myself (just a script-kiddie) but I assume it would be pretty easy for a skilled coder to do that through OAuth. I'll ask at VPT. Regards SoWhy12:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Support - there are 10k items on my watchlist, some because I've added a wikiproject banner to an empty talk page while stub-sorting and forgotten to untick the "watch this page", but also often because of a short-term problem where I want to monitor responses to a change etc. And the next request is to watchlist a section of a page - most especially of ANI or a long talkpage, where I want to follow one particular thread but not all the rest! PamD11:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
@Izno: I noticed but it seems stalled until child tasks are completed. I also cannot see any ETA on when the original request might be implemented. Hence this proposal to have a script-based solution until this task is completed. Unless you know an ETA? Regards SoWhy12:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Support. I'm trying to purge the watchlist as I go, by opening items from the bottom and clicking the blue star, but it's such a chore <ironic sigh>. By doing this, I may be removing them too soon. I know, there are worse things, right? David Brooks (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Temporary watchlisting will come to MediaWiki core before too long. It has stalled for years because it requires an additional column added to the watchlist tables in the databases, which required a datacenter switchover to accomplish. That work finished a couple of days ago, so hopefully the expiring watchlist items work will get back on course for completion. Addshore might know more. — This, that and the other (talk)11:45, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Can't BLPPROD when CSD tag already there
Twinkle won't allow addition of a PRODBLP nomination if an article already has a CSD nomination. But the CSD might not result in deletion of the article - it can be removed by anyone other than the original editor, for good or bad reasons. The PRODBLP is objective: the article has or doesn't have any sources. It would be useful to be able to add this in case the CSD does not get rid of the article. As an example see this version of a page: CSD nominated, but ought to have a PRODBLP too. Twinkle rejected my attempt at a PRODBLP on a CSD'd page with message Page already tagged with a deletion template, aborting procedure. PamD07:56, 16 May 2017 (UTC) amended 08:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I support a change. In fact, the CSD-window should offer tagging as BLPPROD at the same time when tagging A7. Regards SoWhy07:32, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
BLPPROD & CSD aren't mutually exclusive and Twinkle shouldn't make them so. It doesn't when they're added in the other order. I'd guess that's a consequence of BLPPROD being derived from PROD - but the same conditions don't apply.
I like SoWhy's suggestion of being able to optionally add BLPPROD alongside A7. It would also be useful alongside G11 for handling self-promotional autobiographies. Cabayi (talk) 13:11, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Automatically Escalate Option (AEO)
If someone using twinkle takes off CSD tag or a prod tag, there should be the option to automatically prod or AFD with the same rationale given, instead of adding to the burden on the guy trying to clean up the project. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 09:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
When I saw the title of this section I thought it was going to be a request to automatically set the user warning level to the level above the highest (or highest since the last block) warning level on the user's talk page. That really would be sweet. Cabayi (talk) 15:39, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Yoga Nidra
Yoga Nidra or renamed as Lucid dreaming is an ancient practice. Please ask for a citation and not revert. It is funny to claim to invent something that one learns. That is academic dishonesty.
I am not accusing anyone of that yet.
~rAGU (talk)
Is there an option I can add into mytwinkleoptions.js to get a customized edit summary for custom welcome message? Or is "Welcome to Wikipedia! (TW)" what it will have every time. Also a little less important, is there a way for welcome message not to be signed if the template that is being subst already puts in your signature for you? Thanks for any help WikiVirusC (talk) 17:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
A new twinkle tag
Can we create a maintenance tag for articles with image captions that do not comport with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions? I am not aware of a maintenance tag that categorizes articles for clean-up this way although I've seen several that could be improved by such maintenance.--John Cline (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Feel free to make improvements to the working example in my userspace if you wish. It will be moved to Template:Cleanup image captions when it is ready which will retain the editing attributions that bring it to fruition. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 16:11, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
How do I create/incorporate custom template into Twinkle?
Hi all, I'm not especially inclined technically. I want to create a custom warning template and incorporate it into my Twinkle pulldown. Where can I find docs on that? Do I need to create the template in Template space, or can it be created somewhere in my user space? For instance: I want to create a template to warn users not to use blogs as references. General shape goes:
Subject: [[WP:UGC|Blogs as references]]
Hi there, re: your edit [ here], per [[WP:UGC]] we do not use blogs as references <blah blah blah> Thank you. ~~~~
I'd like the option to have a field where I can paste diffs if possible. If not, just an additional comment field would be fine. What's the easiest way to do this? Thanks in advance, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Cyphoidbomb, the short answer, unless I'm mistaken, is "you can't do that." Twinkle doesn't have a "custom template" option, so you'd have to manually add the template to the page in question. As for location? I would start off with it in your userspace. If it happens to be getting a lot of use (or other people start wanting to use it) then you can shift it to the template space. Primefac (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
When you delete a page there is a checkbox you can toggle for "Watch this page". When using batch deletion the pages are automatically added to my watchlist, and there is no equivalent option given to toggle it off when amidst the operation. I looked through the preference panel but did not find anything relevant there either. Is there a way?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Yep. The only section where I would expect this to be, if it existed, is in the "Speedy deletion (CSD)"; I though maybe turning off the option there for watchlisting when tagging might also cover, but no. Not having this makes batch deletion useless, because after I use it, I must open up every page and unwatchlist.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
True, and maybe with that, being faster than opening each page individually to unwatch, batch deletion would not be completely useless as a time saver (I don't use it much anyway, because it's not often batch deletion is a viable option), but it still leaves the situation with hoops that must be jumped through without the preference facility. If there's no way to do this now, I hope someone on the tech side will add it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
help parameter
I've added the "help=off" parameter to MFD, FFD, and all the DI tags; in the same fashion that TFD and the CSD templates use. Could Twinkle implement the same? Thanks! – Train2104 (t • c) 17:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
@Train2104: Thanks for this. I'll change Twinkle to use the new parameters for {{mfd}}, {{ffd}} and {{mfdx}} - although I note that the last one doesn't support the parameter yet; would you consider adding it there as well? I'll also add it for the DI templates. — This, that and the other (talk)08:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I have been experiencing issues with Twinkle for some time now. I am using the latest version of Google Chrome on Windows 10. Twinkle doesn't want to load on certain pages. Reloading the page doesn't seem to help. I have Twinkle installed through the preferences. Callmemirela🍁talk22:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
When a template is nominated for WP:TFD using Twinkle, then its content will get horribly mangled if the template begins with a wikitable. See for example this template before and after the tfd nomination. This happens because Twinkle places the tfd notice without a trailing newline (which is a good behaviour in most cases), while the wikitable needs to start on a clean new line in order to render properly.
The solution is to have Twinkle check what characters the template begins with, and insert a newline after the tfd notice if (and only if) this string of characters is the opening code of a wikitable {|, or any other code that expects to be on a newline (the only other case I'm aware of is section headings with a string of these: ==). – Uanfala13:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
AGF Rollback of only last edit by user?
I just enabled Twinkle and decided to try it on a recent edit by User:Sidoroff-B on Samogitia. This user made one minor cleanup (added "and"), and then made another edit, adding unsourced content. I used the Rollback (AGF) function, which undid both edits. Since the minor first edit was easy to reinstate manually, I did. Was there an easier way to use the Rollback (AGF) function while preserving the earlier edit? --Theodore Kloba (talk) 13:36, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Normally, I think one just wouldn't use Twinkle for that; the "undo" button in the page history serves that function pretty all right, though the canned edit summary does normally have to be modified to accommodate. Writ Keeper⚇♔13:39, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. The Twinkle-generated edit summary was why I thought it would be useful. (I also [Mistakenly] thought that TW would take me directly to a "warn" of the user. --Theodore Kloba (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Theodore Kloba: If you hover the TW tab that displays after you click rollback, you will see a bolded "warn user" (or something similar), which will take you to their page and then allow you to select a warning and level. (I haven't used it in a while.) --Izno (talk) 14:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I recently used this template using Twinkle, and it didn't really work - see here. The Arabic language welcome didn't show up at all, showing the Welcome bit, but then {{{2}}} below it. Is there a reason for this? (I've also asked this at Template talk:Welcomeen-ar). Seagull123 Φ 12:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
TfD: garbled templates
When a template is nominated for WP:TFD using Twinkle, then its content will get horribly mangled if the template begins with a wikitable. See for example this template before and after the tfd nomination. This happens because Twinkle places the tfd notice without a trailing newline (which is a good behaviour in most cases), while the wikitable needs to start on a clean new line in order to render properly.
The solution is to have Twinkle check what characters the template begins with, and insert a newline after the tfd notice if (and only if) this string of characters is the opening code of a wikitable {|, or any other code that expects to be on a newline (the only other case I'm aware of is section headings with a string of these: ==). – Uanfala13:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Aaa-men! I use this template quite a bit (at times), and sometimes it is muliple different revisions that needs to be deleted (more than the 5 'ranges' the template can hold), so it would save a lot of time to be able to use a tool such as TW to speed up tagging! (t) Josve05a (c)19:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
CSD log
I recently speedied an article with Twinkle for the first time, but did not have the "Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations" box checked. I have now checked it in my preferences but I still don't see a CSD log. (I have tried bypassing the cache). Will it only appear for the next page I tag? Is there any way to get that first one in the log retroactively?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I think that's correct. My edit history shows that I enabled logging 01:17, 5 March 2014, and the log file was not created until my next Speedy nom, at 19:59, 5 March 2014.
When you do your next speedy, you should see it at User:Pawnkingthree/CSD_log. An edit to it will also show up in your list of contributions. If you want to retroactively add a log entry, I would probably wait until your next speedy created the log, then edit it using the first-added existing entry as a template. TJRC (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Twinkle doesn't autocreate AFD sub page when using it.
When I used Twinkle to nominate a page for AFD, it didn't create a sub page at the AFD forum and I had to do the process manually. It did warn the user though. --Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) 22:08, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Attempting a deletion under WP:CSD#F4 fails and the following message comes up "Building deletion summary: Unable to generate summary from deletion template
Asking for reason: you didn't give one. I don't know... what with admins and their apathetic antics... I give up..." Fair enough but as Twinkle isn't presenting any dialogue box to complete, it's a problem. Nthep (talk) 13:29, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
When on RCP, I usually generate a "welcome, and don't do that" page for anons with an IPv4 address, even if I rarely get evidence that they have subsequently looked at it. But I've been wondering if it is worth the effort at all for IPv6 addresses. Several times I've observed that what is clearly the same editor will insert the same dubious content from different addresses. Now, I know next to nothing about IP address assignment, but from the IPv6 article I think I understand that the addresses get changed frequently for privacy reasons. I don't know if used IPs get reassigned to someone else at all frequently; that would definitely argue against a talk page.
Trawling recent changes by anons, it seems that almost all IPv6 addresses see activity for only an hour, sometimes a day. I found two exceptions: a short-form address and a full one. Most IPv4 addresses are drive-by edits, but a larger percentage of them hang around for longer. So, do we usually create talk pages for anons, and if so is it still worth the effort (I know, it's only twofive clicks) for IPv6 anons? David Brooks (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Personally I wouldn't bother welcoming IPv6. The user will likely not see it since they will likely be quickly assigned a new IP in the /64. You may be interested in phab:T112325. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
This section is poorly written. It must be clarified more. Module:Diff exists but there are no modules named "fluff" and "unlink". Can someone please explain to me what it would take to get this Twinkle extension on a different wiki? ◂ épinetalk♬08:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Épine, it's not a module as in the "module space", it literally means a specific part of the tool (kind of like how the ISS keeps adding new modules). That's why they're all in quotes, because it's their nickname. As for implementing Twinkle on another wiki, I cannot help. Primefac (talk) 13:37, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Edit summary for uw-spam1
Currently Twinkle's edit summary for {{uw-spam1}} is "General note: Adding spam links". For the higher level uw-spam templates, I think including "spam" in the edit summary is fine, because once someone is heading into territory where multiple warnings are necessary, "spam" becomes an appropriate description. But I find that I often use the uw-spam1 warning for situations where a new user is simply adding inappropriate links which are not necessarily spam. For the first warning, I would like to suggest changing the edit summary to "General note: Adding inappropriate external links". Deli nk (talk) 13:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Support. This has bugged me, too. At least once, I've been responded to by the other editor, pointing out it wasn't spam, and I've had to answer that I understand, and explain that the word "spam" was automatically used by the software. TJRC (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
The Twinkle description states: "This only applies for orphaned disambiguation pages which either: (1) disambiguate two or fewer existing Wikipedia pages and whose title ends in (disambiguation) (i.e. there is a primary topic)...." WP:CSD#G6 states " disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in (disambiguation)" Template:Db-disambig agrees with that wording. Can the Twinkle tooltip be changed to match? menaechmi (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
WP:G13 in Twinkle should be renamed to "Draft and AfC" (or something similar) due to an expansion of G13 to cover all Draft unedited within 6 months, not just AfC tagged pages. Thanks Legacypac (talk) 04:40, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Actual criteria currently reads:
This applies to any pages in the draft namespace, as well as any rejected or unsubmitted Articles for creation pages with the {{AFC submission}} template in userspace, that have not been edited (excluding bot edits and maintenance actions such as tagging) in over six months
How about:
Label: Abandoned Draftspace, as well as Userspace AfC pages
Tool Tip: Abandoned is 6 months without edits (excluding bot edits and maintenance actions such as tagging)
The message left by Twinkle on the creator's talk page also needs updating from
It is a rejected submission at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, and it has not been edited in over six months. (See section G13 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)
to something like
It is a draft which has not been edited in over six months. (See section G13 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)
Add a newline between the "tfd notice" and a wikitable?
currently, after nominating a template for deletion, I have to do this to add a newline between the tfd notice and any wikitables that are at the top of the template. would it be possible to have Twinkle check to see if the template starts with '{|' and if so, add a newline for me? thank you. Frietjes (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Adding new level 2 heading as none found for this month
G'day, simple request. Can this be made to search the entire page instead of the bottom-most sub-heading? It's often enough that I perform an action like tagging a page with a CSD template and for one reason or another need to add a warning after, yet it won't recognise an existing September 2017 sub-hearder. Cheers! — IVORKDiscuss03:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Instead of moving the TW to the left of the Read tab, we have added a "peer gadget" that allots the room for the TW menu before it is actually loaded (see issue #336). This effectively should solve the "jumpiness" issue, while keeping the TW menu where it is now. Note the issue may persist if you are using other gadgets that add dropdown menus or tabs, such as MoreMenu. As the maintainer of MoreMenu, I will try to do the same trick soon. Thanks and let us know if you have anymore issues! — MusikAnimaltalk15:53, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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Button load issue
I am wanting to fix this button load issue. When the TW button loads it shifts over the "read", "edit source" and "view history" buttons. This often causes me to miss the button I was trying to click on.
Amir has moved the "rater" button to the left of the read button which half solves the issue. I am proposing that we move the TW button to the left of "Read" aswell.
Huge support per Doc James, the rater move makes a huge difference. Sadads (talk)
Support This doesn't fix the intrinsic problem (that parts of the page load after others), but it significantly reduces the effect that the problem has. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:01, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Let's hold off on this for a bit. There may be a better solution involving CSS that would allow us to keep the menu where it is now but still prevent the jumpiness. See issue #393 and #366 for more — MusikAnimaltalk15:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Am I the only one left wondering what all this is about? Been using Twinkle for years and never seen a Rater or Read button. In what context do they appear? Thanks: Noyster (talk),09:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Where the TW would be after the proposed change First off, this only affects users who use the Vector skin. If you don't use Vector, you can ignore this discussion as nothing will change for you. The proposed change would move the TW menu to the left of the Read tab, see the screenshot on the right. But we have a better solution ready to go, just waiting on a little code review :) I'm going to look into doing the same trick for some other gadgets that suffer from the same problem, such as MoreMenu— MusikAnimaltalk17:33, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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Spamming shared IP notices
Can Twinkle be programmed to detect if a thread already contains a shared IP notice, and either suppress repeat notification, or remove prior notices so that there is only one at the bottom of a monthly subsection? The notice is important, but I don't think anyone benefits from it showing up in between every single templated message on an IP's page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Ivanvector: Are you talking about the messages that are automatically posted when you block an IP as "anonblock" (or similar) using Twinkle? If so, I have a version of Twinkle you can try. If you're talking about tagging (TW > "Shared IP"), then yes, we can still make it detect if the template is already there, but in that case I imagine you would usually see it and know not to re-tag — MusikAnimaltalk02:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Not the anonblock template. I'm talking about pages like this one, where if I use Twinkle to leave a templated notice, it automatically adds {{Shared IP advice}} below the warning, so you end up with a page with several warnings all interspaced with the repeated shared IP advice. If there's an option to turn that off, I don't see it in the dialog. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Minor changes in the username template
I have made a minor change in the {{subst:uw-username}} template. I have just added the header "Please consider changing your username", so that the brand new users may perceive Wikipedia as a friendly place, Regards. Anoptimistix (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
It would be really helpful if the TW dropdown showed an option for setting up auto-archiving (AA?) on talk pages. The template Template:Setup auto archiving already exists, so it would be as easy as taking input for the age, size, notice, and talk options, and substituting the template at the top of the talk page with those options. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡o)?15:29, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
The number of high volume pages that need archiving is relatively small, it only needs to be done once per page, and is dead simple to do manually. Compare that with the other common Twinkle tasks, such as fighting vandalism (which needs to be done thousands of times a day and requires editing both the page in question and the user's talk page) or things like nominating pages for deletion (which requires editing the article in question, the talk page of the page creator, creating a deletion nomination, and transcluding that nomination onto the appropriate AfD page). --Ahecht (TALK PAGE) 17:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
In general, Twinkle is a "protect the Wikipedia" tool and not so much a "maintain the Wikipedia" tool. Maybe that line in the documentation should change. --Izno (talk) 20:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Keeps breaking templates when nominating templates for WP:TFD
Is it possible for Twinkle to insert a line break between the {{Template for discussion}} template when tagging a template? I've already had to correct about 4 templates with this issue since placing {{Template for discussion}} without a line break broke the coding of the templates since the templates started with a {|. Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I brought this up two months ago, without much effect. Just noting that the tfd notice normally shouldn't end with a newline as this would wreak havoc on articles that use inline templates (unless more of the editors nominating them had the common sense of noincluding the notice in these cases, I had actually proposed this to be included in the TfD instructions but the proposal didn't go down well). Of course, the issue wouldn't arise if nominators actually had a look at a template after nominating it for deletion, that's not too much to ask for, I had asked our most prolific nominator several times, and again there has not been any observable effect. – Uanfala20:31, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
If Twinkle made a check to see if the template starts with {| and then adds a line break only when that is the case, should be doable, I'd think. Steel1943 (talk) 20:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
If Twinkle knows enough to append "(2nd nomination)" on an XFD title, how hard can it be to warn the user about the first nomination in nice big red letters? Yes, I should have checked the article talk page first. I do hardly any AfDs and I forgot to do that. Now I've got egg on face and cost other editors some time !voting in and closing a pointless redundant AfD, a couple of days after the first nomination failed. ―Mandruss☎19:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, if I cared to study how to do that correctly so as to avoid more egg on more face and more disruption. And then delete the template from the article, and any other cleanup that might be required. Repeat forever for other users making the same human mistake. Or, Twinkle could just display a warning in nice big red letters. ―Mandruss☎20:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, or Twinkle could just display a warning in nice big red letters. LOL. Sheesh. Which is better, (1) a solution that requires one to enable and learn to use a new tool, which they find out about only after having made the mistake once (if someone like you happens to mention it to them), or (2) one that avoids the need for said tool by the display of a simple warning message and requires nothing of the user except the ability to read English and the knowledge of what "prior nomination" means? ―Mandruss☎20:36, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
I dunno, I think most people would argue that checking for a prior nomination is a requisite WP:BEFORE action, and that if you haven't gone through the article history you shouldn't be nominating it at all anyway. Dysklyver21:13, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Cat Intelligence - University of Guelph Pet Nutrition Group
Hello there,
My group and I are editing the Cat Intelligence page as we are currently studying Cat Cognition in our 3rd year University level, Pet Nutrition course at the University of Guelph. We will be adding a lot to the Cognition diet for cats and rearranging for better understanding. We have throughly researched and cited our sources all from peer-reviewed articles. We won't delete anything that was previously there before.
I posted this on the talk page for cat intelligence but the title tag told me to go to this page if I was planning on doing big changes to pages?? Kendracasey (talk) 19:56, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what's going on but my edit summaries are recording into the history of my edits after a twinkle rollback even after I enter the summary into the edit message pop-up box. Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
The category name is hard-coded here. I'll let a dev comment on whether detecting {{no talkback}} directly instead of a category would break uses, such as where the template is transcluded indirectly to a user's talk page. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:48, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
New TfD template |action parameter
Template renames are usually done at RM, but you can now do {{subst:TfD|action=rename}} (or {{subst:Template for discussion|action=rename}} in long form) in the case that you're nominating one or more templates for deletion or merging away, and also nominating one for renaming over the title of one of those that's going away. By putting |action=rename in the TfD tag of the one to be renamed as part of the group, the transcluded display of the TfD mini-notice will now say "nominated for renaming" instead of the wrong and unduly alarming "nominated for deletion". This has no effect on the {{TfM}} template for tagging one or more templates for merger with each other. — SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 17:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
PS: I have done nothing to integrate this function into Twinkle, just letting the devs thereof know the feature exists. — SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 17:24, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Can we please add the {{sources exist}} tag to twinkle? This tag would be immensely useful in reducing duplicate work required and would be an easy way of notifying other editors "yes I did a search and I found a bunch of stuff". It would also make it so that AfC reviewers could 'accept' drafts that might not "demonstrate" notability, but were clearly notable when the reviewer did a search (i.e. they could add the tag indicating why they accepted it). All in all just a useful variant of the {{more references}} tag. — Insertcleverphrasehere(or here)06:29, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Now that range contributions are a native feature of Special:Contribs, and given the frequent need for IPv6 rangeblocks (e.g. [6]), it would be nice if Twinkle's AIV reporting functionality were extended to allow me to report a whole range at once rather than just an individual address.--Jasper Deng(talk)18:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The module is looking for the variable wgRelevantUserName and sadly it's not set for range contributions; Can't tell if it's an feature or a bug. →AzaToth12:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
List of Twinkle messages
Hello all- Is there a simple list somewhere of the messages/templates available in Twinkle? I couldn't find one in the documentation. It would be handy to be able to see them all in one view, instead of having to hunt through all the combinations of drop-downs. Erictalk15:29, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
"Generic" option missing for extended confirmed protection
Under the page protection menu, aside from template protection, there is a "generic" option for each type of protection. However, this is missing from extended-confirmed. Could this be added? Home Lander (talk) 19:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Alternatively, or additionally: can we have custom additions for redirect menu, in the same way as custom article. Widefox; talk16:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
BLP unsourced
The BLPPROD grandfather clause, which stated that unreferenced biographies of living persons were only eligible for proposed deletion if they were created after March 18, 2010, was removed following an RfC nearly a year ago. Shouldn't {{BLP unsourced}} be removed from Twinkle now that {{Prod blp}} is the proper response for all unsourced BLPs? Cabayi (talk) 17:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
XfD bundling
Twinkle seems not to have any ability to bundle XfDs. I think it would be great if it did, though. I don't have any great ideas on how the interface should present this option, though, so if anyone else thinks this would be useful and has some ideas, please chime in. Thanks! –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I usually don't use the welcome student template from TW because, most of the time, there's already a course notation or something from WikiEd already on the user page. Today I came across a couple of students (based on tutorial user talk subpages) and discovered that the {{Welcome student}} option left a newline and space in front of the signature, which looks odd. I checked {{Welcome teacher}} and modified {{Welcome student}} so that it a) leaves an identifying comment about which template was substituted, and b) starts the noinclude directive on the same line to avoid the awkward formatting. — jmcgnh(talk)(contribs)06:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay. It's a standard TW template, so I interpreted the message in the documentation to mean I should notify here of changes. It's not a "breaking change", though, so another interpretation is that I should just have done the fix and not told anyone about it. — jmcgnh(talk)(contribs)16:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Nope, you're exactly right. I misinterpreted this as a "fix Twinkle please" request that you had then gone and fixed. Totally missed the courtesy-notify template. You're absolutely right to post here about it. My bad, and thanks! Primefac (talk) 16:21, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Twinkle adds extra signature
Pursuant to my previous posting, I tried fixing {{Welcome non-latin}} and didn't find a solution. The template includes a signature, but Twinkle appears to add a second one at the end. This second signature includes an extra newline and space, so it comes out in an inset box, completely overemphasizing the signature. I know that Twinkle does not always add an extra signature, for example, it does not for {{W-graphical}}. But what controls the behavior? Is it something in the template itself (and perhaps fixable by us) or is it hard-coded into Twinkle in some way that is inaccessible to us? — jmcgnh(talk)(contribs)04:27, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I've removed the extra signature, fixed the syntax, and put the "thanks" message below the flags (and I also added a note about what they were there for). Primefac (talk) 05:09, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Wow, that was fast! That approach avoids answering the question of what controls TW adding the final signature in some cases and not others, but I can be satisfied with this resolution.
The other thing that looks somewhat odd is the vertical bar/pipe between the flagged links - it's almost like they were intended to be part of a table, which, you have to admit, would look cleaner.
Actually, the editor who added in the extra sig also added in the flags; the old version of the template just showed the messages themselves with the pipes (and I think it looks better). I think rather than edit warring about how it looks a discussion should probably take place about it. Primefac (talk) 16:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Listing modules at TfD
I tried to nominate a module for discussion at WP:TFD today and Twinkle made a mess of it; see the thread at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 January 31#Module:Z. It seems that when listing a module, the {{tfd links}} template needs to be passed a module=module parameter, or maybe it's that {{tfd2}}/{{tfm2}} need to be called with a parameter, I'm not sure (but pinging SarekOfVulcan who fixed this instance). At any rate Twinkle needs to be updated to pass these parameters when listing a module. I also got an error about a floating curly bracket and the module was not updated with a deletion notice (if there even is one for modules) but I didn't take good note of that error. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:08, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
From a technical standpoint I'm not overly sure modules should have the TFD notice placed directly on them - it should ideally go on a doc (if one exists). Basically, modules play mary hobb with templates (like, cats work, but templates don't). Primefac (talk) 01:05, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Renaming twinkle link text
I want to replace the text shown a twinkle button/menu. It's incredibly minor, but it's driving me crazy! Both of these fail when entered in my .js:
but both work just fine when entered into the Firefox console after the page has loaded. This would lead me to believe it's because of the order in which your Gadgets and your personal .js is loaded, but that's where I get stuck. I can sort of do it via css:
MusikAnimal-I was directed here by an official WMF account from WP:VPT. Could you possibly enlighten me on what is WMF's stand on introducing the revert on mobile. — FR™09:58, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
The position of the WMF (as I understand it as a volunteer) is that editing features in mobile are a hard problem to solve and will be incrementally added (now that the reading experience is mostly solved). Until that time, people are encouraged to use the desktop version of the website. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:32, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
I didn't presume it to be free. Open source software comes with a license indicating the level to which I might modify or distribute it. I don't presume anything about our code pages, which sometimes, or even usually, take a license which is not the GFDL or the CC by SA (neither of which are meant to cover code). --Izno (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
That example is the only one I found out of a random sampling of about a dozen pages where this template is used. Dloh has this weird way of either signing twice or not signing at all, and so I wouldn't really count that as a definite "glitch". Primefac (talk) 13:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
This appears not to be related to Twinkle but to the fact that some Welcome templates like {{Welcome screen}} include a built-in signature but others, including the top two on the Twinkle menu – {{Welcome}} and {{Welcome-short}} – do not. To ensure your message is signed once and only once, it is best to Preview the page before publishing: Noyster (talk),13:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I think it has been integrated with Twinkle, right? Then I think this question is best asked here: FurMe adds only three types of FURs: {{non-free use rationale}}, {{logo fur}}, {{album cover fur}}, {{book cover fur}} and {{film cover fur}}. Is it possible to add {{film poster fur}} to this list? ----Kailash29792(talk)07:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi! Would it be possible to remove the period inserted after AIV/etc report messages, edit summaries, etc, or at least not insert it when the last character of a message is a period? It's a tiny little papercut, but seeing the double period everywhere is surprisingly irritating! -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me | contribs20:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Blocking for “Creating inappropriate pages”
It seems when issuing a block for creating inapropriate pages, it is really a block for creating nonsense pages, which is just one specific type of inapropriate page. Perhaps the menu could be tweaked to reflect this? Beeblebrox (talk) 01:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Twinkle should always be used with caution. Adding an additional caution to every option on the tool would be a bit excessive. Mistakes happen, even to well-meaning individuals. Primefac (talk) 12:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
I think you mean the "unlink" feature, not rollback? I thought it required you to enter a "reason" for unlinking, which would be enough to ensure you know what you're doing. — MusikAnimaltalk17:48, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Any chance this could get added to “single issue notices”? I find myself using it regularly as it is a perpetual issue at WP:UAA. well-meaning users jump the gun and sometimes flood the page with reports of run-of-the-mill username vios that haven’t actually done anything yet, and every time I have to go find the template and add it manually, it’s be great if it was on Twinkle. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I started an AFD discussion here, and Twinkle changed the pipes in the citations to {{subst:!}}. Would {{safesubst:!}} have have generated the pipes correctly? SamSailor14:26, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
| → {{subst:!}} is to prevent issues with |s inside {{subst:afd2}}'s |text=.[7] Since substitution doesn't work inside <ref>...</ref>, the {{subst:!}}s remained in the wikitext instead of resulting in |s. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:21, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Moved sockpuppet investigations
Yeah, I have two problems today, sorry.
Quite often a sockpuppet investigation is moved from an old case title to a new case title when we discover that older accounts are involved or just that the title is incorrect for whatever reason. In these cases we replace the old case page with a {{SPIarchive notice}} template pointing to the new case, which contains a note advising that future reports should be filed in the new location. Twinkle doesn't seem to recognize this condition, and allows users to file new reports on the old page, which creates an administrative headache. Can Twinkle be programmed to detect this, and either refuse to file or automatically file in the proper location? It should be easy to code I think: cases have been moved if the switch given to {{SPIarchive notice}} is not the same as the page title. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jack Gaines for a case that's been moved, or Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tamara787 for one that is current. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:17, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Redirects for discussion
Adding the code for a redirect discussion to a redirect page makes Twinkle not recognize the page as a redirect, and the speedy deletion dialog displays the A criteria instead of the R criteria. Can this be fixed? See 2018 World Tour for an example. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:10, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@Mvcg66b3r: I'm inclined to revert those changes. Normally a warning is issued after a revert has taken place, and even if for some reason you decide to do these tasks in the other order, the edit will almost certainly have been reverted by the time the user sees the message. It's best to avoid unnecessary wordiness and rule-speak in user warning messages, especially level 1 messages. — This, that and the other (talk)11:53, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
I think it has been integrated with Twinkle, right? Then I think this question is best asked here: FurMe adds only three types of FURs: {{non-free use rationale}}, {{logo fur}}, {{album cover fur}}, {{book cover fur}} and {{film cover fur}}. Is it possible to add {{film poster fur}} to this list? Primefac, this discussion was previously archived without any admin reply, but is there anything you can do about this? ----Kailash29792(talk)03:59, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Never worked with image template notifications, so I couldn't tell you. I do know that FurMe got absorbed into TW. Primefac (talk) 15:06, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a check box to either ping the blocking admin or leave a notice on their talk page when CSDing userpages? Thanks, L3X1◊distænt write◊02:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
The 'Check the "mark page as patrolled" box by default' preference shouldn't be on by default. I keep coming across patrollers who don't know about it and are marking inappropriate pages as reviewed without even realising it. – Joe (talk) 09:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I often find myself reverting IP edits that were clearly well-intentioned but were flawed in some way (e.g. information that already exists elsewhere in the article, or additions that somehow violate policy or convention in a minor way).
I then have the choice of either welcoming them with "constructive", which is misleading because it says nothing about reverts and carries the implication their edits were "approved", so to speak, or with "unconstructive", which carries the implication that we think the edit might have been vandalism but is harmless or dubious enough not to use the uw-vandalism template. That's a problem because I expect it can be quite demoralising to the new user, and can also create an unnecessary argument ("But I wasn't vandalising!" - "Yes, I know, I wasn't saying you were.")
So to solve this I created Template:Welcome-anon-suboptimal and added it to the list of anon welcome templates. I surely can't be the only Twinkle welcomer who's had this problem, so could we please add this to Twinkle's list of anon welcome templates? I've added it to my custom ones for now but I think it'd be great if it could be rolled out to everyone.
I asked this a while back and had no response. Can we please add the {{sources exist}} tag to twinkle? This tag would be immensely useful in reducing duplicate work required and would be an easy way of notifying other editors "yes I did a search and I found a bunch of stuff". It would also make it so that AfC reviewers could 'accept' drafts that might not "demonstrate" notability, but were clearly notable when the reviewer did a search (i.e. they could add the tag indicating why they accepted it). All in all just a useful variant of the {{more references}} tag.
Fixed. The fix will be rolled out late next week. Thanks for the report. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Done [3] I hope this change makes it clearer, but if not you can always carry out rollback: Noyster (talk), 10:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
This has bugged me as well, TW being a little too smart for its own good. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 17:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
