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Establishing notability and disclosing involvement

Hello!

My employer (the owner of an art gallery) recently asked me if it was possible to create a Wikipedia page for her husband (one of the gallery's artists). I am confused as to whether this topic would be considered notable. There are published sources about his work, so I believe he qualifies in that respect. But the creator of this page would be me, an employee of the artist's wife. I believe this means I am not independent from the subject, and therefore he would not qualify as notable.

But then again, if I understand correctly, Wikipedia has guidelines for disclosing one's relation to a subject when editing. This implies that it is possible for me to create an article on this artist, as long as I disclose my relation to him and that I'm being paid for my time.

Does this topic qualify as notable? Should I refrain from submitting this page for creation, due to my relation to its subject? 24.121.204.172 (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Relevant pages are WP:PAID, WP:COI, WP:BOSS, and, for notability, WP:N. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The Articles for Creation process exists, at least in part, as a way for editors with a declared conflict of interest to create a draft that will be reviewed by experienced editors without a COI. I recommend that you create a Wikipedia account which will make compliance and collaboration easier. Cullen328 (talk) 19:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

'Standridge' family name

Courtesy link: Standridge

I'm Zak Standridge, multiple award-winning author. I'm a public figure: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Zak+Standridge+known+for I would like to be included as a Standridge, as I'm listed as a public figure (https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Zak+Standridge+known+for) and my last name is Standridge. https://www.google.com/search?q=Zak+Standridge 2001:5B0:4EC8:96C8:AE80:CBAF:E705:401A (talk) 19:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC) Thanks for your time and attention - https://www.google.com/search?q=what+awards+has+zak+standridge+won — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:4EC8:96C8:AE80:CBAF:E705:401A (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Such lists generally only list subjects that already have a Wikipedia article, and it looks like Zak Standridge is not an article. As the article subject it would not be appropriate for you to write it. The general advice we give is that if you are truly notable someone will write the article eventually, and at that time it can be added to that list. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

also read this Wikipedia:Autobiography Ned1a Wanna talk? 20:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Anti Vandalism

How can i join Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Academy? TheSmartWikiOne (talk) 15:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

See WP:CVA. 130.74.59.192 (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@TheSmartWikiOne I am in the countervandalism unit,you can copy the code on my Userpage UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thats only a userbox... Ned1a Wanna talk? 20:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Category management

I found an article with an erroneous category; how do I get rid of that? Graider6211 (talk) 17:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

If you open an article with "Source editor", the categories are listed at the bottom of the page, and you can edit or delete them. There are also "gadgets" you can turn on in your Preferences that make changing categories easier like WP:HotCat and WP:Cat-a-lot. Recon rabbit 17:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Graider6211, welcome to the Teahouse. There are some special cases. Which article and category is it? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

It was Selama Mint Cheikhne Ould Lemrabott under the category Mauritian Politicians instead of Mauritanian. Graider6211 (talk) 20:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Mauritian politician stubs, actually. Graider6211 (talk) 20:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Stubs are a special case, because they are added by templates in the page. I was able to change it in this edit. Recon rabbit 20:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Redirect

How do you create an redirect? Zhenghecaris (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Here is a helpful guide to making one: Wikipedia:How to make a redirect Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zhenghecaris,you need an account of at least 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits to have these priveleges,then in the tools section you will see "move page",basically,it changes the page name,and the old name becomes a redirect,but you should discuss it with other editers first,otherwise it will be likely reverted UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 02:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@UnsungHistory, if you read what @Ca linked above, you'll see that you can create a redirect without moving pages. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I was not aware of that UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 04:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you answer questions you know the answer to. Ned1a Wanna talk? 20:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

better feedback on new article

Hi there I submitted an article for a niche historical film (Draft:Seguín (Movie)) of import to the Chicano/Mexican-American community and the feedback I received was vague, could someone please give me more specific feedback on what I need to do in order to add this important film's article? Thank you in advance. Sirenaensi (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sirenaensi. This is about Draft:Seguín. Your references are bare URLs. I recommend that you turn them into full references following the procedures described at Referencing for beginners. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Notability (films). A film is not eligible for a Wikipedia article just because it exists. Critical commentary is an important element of notability of films. A good indicator is that Seguín got a favorable review in the New York Times written by John J. O'Connor (journalist). Your draft should summarize his critical assessment. It would be very useful if you can add other reviews of the film. You describe the film as of import to the Chicano/Mexican-American community but your draft does not say that. Who says so? If you can provide a reference to a reliable, independent source making a similar assessment, than that would be a very helpful addition. Cullen328 (talk) 19:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

So helpful thank you! Sirenaensi (talk) 19:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I converted one source into a proper reference, but I also removed 2 Imdb references, as they're not reliable, for more information see Wikipedia:Imdb. Good Luck. Synonimany (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I received a threat from another editor...

Courtesy link: Department of Politics and International Studies, University of Cambridge

Yesterday an editor re-added some information that they have added a few times over the past year and has been subsequently removed by a variety of editors from the page Department of Politics and International Studies, University of Cambridge. The additions were removed for various reasons - irrelevance, repetition, inaccurate use of sources - so I undid the additions with explanations as to why - quoting the editors who had removed them. Less than half an hour later the same editor added them back in with a note "final warning".

I am unsure how to handle this sort of threat from another editor. I know that if I have an editorial disagreement with another editor I should engage with them on their talk page, but I am nervous to do that given the circumstances. I don't want to enter into an editing war. No one has time for that. Any guidance you can give on how to handle this situation would be much appreciated. Dm980cam (talk) 13:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I've posted on their user talk page about edit warring. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Dm980cam. Just going to say that I wouldn't necessarily read to much into this. This user can give you all the warnings they want, but none of it will matter if they're editing against consensus. Moreover, they're pretty much powerless in that they can't WP:BLOCK you or anything like that, and they can't stop you from trying to make sure the article is in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. FWIW, there seems to be an RFC currently taking place on the article's talk page; if this content is what's being discussed there, you can bring it up in the RFC and perhaps one of its participants will remove it again. You could also ask Cordless Larry to take a look at things since the edit summary stated the content was previously removed by them. Cordless Larry is an administrator and they can take action against the other account if they feel it's warranted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Dm980cam: I think you might've somewhat misunderstood my post. I didn't suggest you do an RFC. I posted FWIW, there seems to be an RFC currently taking place on the article's talk page; if this content is what's being discussed there, you can bring it up in the RFC and perhaps one of its participants will remove it again. That meant there's already another RFC taking place on the article's talk page. If it's about the same thing that you're discussing above, then post about the issues you're having in that RFC. I wasn't suggesting you start a new RFC about this. My apologies if my post was hard to understand. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Petter Næss | IMDb

Hi, I noticed there was IMDb citations on the Petter Næss page while looking at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Petter Næss article editing. To my understanding according to Wikipedia:Reliable sources IMDb may not be used especially on a biography of a living person. Is this right? Should I remove the citations or find b=new ones to replace them first? Thanks CF-501 Falcon (talk) 21:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@CF-501 Falcon Please see WP:CITINGIMDB, there are two exceptions listed on that page, but as a general rule you should replace or remove the sources. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@CF-501 Falcon: Depending on how contentious the statement, you can also remove the cited "fact" along with the citation, or add {{better source needed}} after it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I have read what @CommissarDoggo recommended. The information isn't necessarily contentious; I added {{citation needed}}. I will try to find new citations. Thank you CF-501 Falcon (talk) 21:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Userboxes

How do I add userboxes to my wiki user page? ErickTheMerrick (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

If you're using the visual editor you can click Insert → Template and search for the box you'd like to add. If you're using source editing you can just put the appropriate template in the edit window, for instance you could add → {{User wikipedia/RP Patrol}} to get the random page patrol userbox. Amstrad00 (talk) 16:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You can also copy Userboxes of other editors you feel appeal to you as well. Please be careful not to delete information from these Userpages while copying Tesleemah (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Section or Anchor

What are anchors and how exactly do anchors work? Also, does stuff like subheadings count as sections or anchors? Asking this because Capricorn says that subheadings don't count as sections and an error message will pop-up if you try? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 06:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Please peruse Template:Anchor/doc, TeapotsOfDoom. I am now editing, and adding to, a section titled "Section or Anchor" (which is its heading). You don't need Template:Anchor in order to cross-refer here, but using it future-proofs the link to some degree. User:Wugapodes/Capricorn says "Redirects to anchors are not recognized" (my emphasis), not that links to them aren't. -- Hoary (talk) 11:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

So do subheadings count as anchors or not? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The following subheading (or subheader or whatever) is "draf:skysolution". Of course it's created via "== draf:skysolution ==": a pair of two "=". Browsers can't parse and interpret such mark-up; for their benefit, Mediawiki converts this to the following (X)HTML: [deep breath]

<h2 id="draf:skysolution" data-mw-thread-id="h-draf:skysolution-20241114081900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-draf:skysolution-20241114081900"></span>draf:skysolution<span data-mw-comment-end="h-draf:skysolution-20241114081900"></span></h2>

– from which, let's strip away the two instances of span and also an attribute–value pair (as this stuff is irrelevant to your question), and we arrive at <h2 id="draf:skysolution">draf:skysolution</h2> . Standard (X)HTML behavior: When the user clicks on a link to #draf:skysolution (note the "#"), the browser will jump to whatever – here, an H2 tag – has the attribute–value pair id="draf:skysolution" (note no "#"). Mediawiki (and not the questioner) provided this. So although no human (the questioner, me, you, etc) used Mediawiki's Template:Anchor here, Mediawiki itself has obligingly provided an anchor. (Don't assume that Mediawiki-provided anchor is identical to the text of the subheading. There are exceptions. And don't assume that it notices when a talk or other page has two identical subheadings and has a helpful solution for this. It doesn't.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@TeapotsOfDoom: for a more general answer, see Hyperlink#Anchor links - and note that that is itself an example of an anchor link. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Need some table help

Hi, I need some help with the table on Satellite tornado. For some reason, the "2007 Greensburg tornado" portion of the table (with EF scales and such) is completely shifted, and I'm not exactly sure how to fix it. Thanks! :) E_F⁵ 22:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I think the sections for 'May 4, 200' and 'EF5' should be made to rowspan 11 instead of 10.

Then, for the 'EF_' entries that are shifted right, there is one extra line with a pipe (|) before it. Remove these, and they will line up with the others.

You should be able to see this in Preview as you make the edits. If it's not working, don't click the 'Publish Changes' button. Alegh (talk) 22:17, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

That worked, thank you! :) E_F⁵ 22:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome! Glad you got it working. Alegh (talk) 22:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Should "Hannah Montana" be put in past tense?

Hannah Montana's first sentence states, "Hannah Montana is an American teen sitcom created by Michael Poryes, Rich Correll, and Barry O'Brien that aired on Disney Channel for four seasons between March 2006 and January 2011." I was thinking about editing it, but I'm not quite sure because, after close inspection, I realized that it works being both in the present and past tense; however, which tense should be the preferred one? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 22:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

No, most of the information should not be in the past tense.. See MOS:TVNOW. Meters (talk) 22:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Am I Marking My Minor/Non-Minor Edits Correctly?

Lately, a lot of my edits on Wikipedia have been reference clean-up, specifically fixing bare urls. While I'm fixing them, I also clean-up the other references as I find a lot of barebones references that are often missing things like author, date, etc.—sometimes, the existing information for these references are wrong (such as the wrong title or generic author) and I fix that as well. I also like adding archive links as a pre-emptive archiving measure. The only times that I mark my edits as non-minor is when I'm removing a Cleanup bare URLs template.

However, I mark all of these edits as "minor" because I reasoned that it is not inherently changing the information or meaning of the references but I am simply just opening up the reference and seeing what information is correct and what is not correct. But sometimes these edits are done in a batch that amounts to thousands of bytes getting added to the article, and I do not know if this has therefore crossed the line between what is a minor edit. I have looked at WP:MINOR, but I worry that my edits are becoming disruptive to other editors. Junemoon19 (talk) 19:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:Minor says Adding or correcting wikilinks, or fixing broken external links and references already present in the article is a minor edit, so i think you should be fine if you mark these as minor edits. Synonimany (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Junemoon19, I have a different perspective. If you are adding authors or dates or changing titles, I consider that substantive. One of the indicators of possible vandalism is an edit that adds substantive content but is marked as minor. So, you may inadvertently be adding to the workload of anti-vandalism patrollers by clicking the minor edit box. Other opinions may vary. Cullen328 (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328, You have raised a very good point about the anti-vandalism patrol, which has not crossed my mind before. I also had not considered adding more information to references as substantive before, but you are right in that some would see it as adding content to an article. Thank you both for replying to assist me. Because of the differences in opinion and the fact that I often edit in batches where multiple references will be affected, I will ultimately err on the side of caution and heed WP:MINOR's advice to mark my edits as not minor when unsure. Junemoon19 (talk) 23:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Making my wikipedia page

Hi there, I am looking to get my own wikipedia page made. I am based in Australia. I have news articles published about me in well known sites too. Is there a service provided by some companies or individuals for this? I would like to know more please. Rancho Mana (talk) 20:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:Autobiography Ned1a Wanna talk? 20:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Rancho Mana, please also read WP:SCAM. Your post here at the Teahouse may draw the attention of scammers and con artists. Be very cautious. Cullen328 (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Rancho Mana, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that you have a rather common misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is: there is no such thing as "my own Wikipedia page". If at some time, Wikipedia has an article about you, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it will be able to be edited by almost anybody in the world except you and your associates. In short, it will not be for your benefit except incidentally. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

Basically, Wikipedia is not for promotion (in a pretty wide sense). An article about you will be based on what people unconected with you have chosen to publish about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. +

There are indeed some companies which will gladly take your money and claim that they can create an article about you: they are mostly lying. Anybody who claims that they can guarantee to create an article about you, or that they can make it say what you want it to say, is lying: see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you attempt to create a draft (or article) about yourself that was Speedy deleted, leaving no record of it existing as your contribution? David notMD (talk) 23:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Nope, unless there's also multiple accounts involved. Pro tip: edit counts reflect the total number of a user's edits, including deleted ones. You might not be able to see what the deleted ones were, but you can see that they existed. -- asilvering (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Map issue

what do you do when a map provided by Wikipedia clearly indicates that a bird doesn't reside, breed or go near a certain area, yet it has been placed as a member of that area?

List of birds of Gauteng

Pertaining specifically to both the old and new world parrots where the map shows a clear gap around the area that is Gauteng, the only time you will see them in the wild is if someone has lost them as pets. But if this is to be true, then why not add cockatiels and budgies to the list because the only other place to see them in the Johannesburg zoo.

Yet they are they not the only birds that have been erroneously placed in this list but unfortunately maps are not provided on all of these, Flamingos, pelicans, ostriches and storks are not residents of Gauteng. I'm an avid bird enthusiast who resides in Gauteng and dream that they soar or roam freely around my province, but there's a difference between fact and dreams. Jayveesee (talk) 17:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hm, it's hard to prove a negative. What you can do, in general, when you see a problem like this, is remove the content and leave an edit summary that explains your reasoning, along with the magic words: "unsourced content". Now anyone who wants to add that back in has to follow WP:BURDEN. In theory. In practice it may become messier, in which case you can always come back here for advice. -- asilvering (talk) 20:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to help mate.

I tried it, but for whatever reason once again it's been restored to how it was.

Not going to bother anymore. Jayveesee (talk) 04:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah, but you forgot the magic words: "unsourced content". It's time to go to the article talk page, and explain there. Tag in the users who are reverting you, and explain what's up, and why that map isn't a reliable source for whatever reason. And don't forget to log in before making edits. -- asilvering (talk) 07:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jayveesee. A thing to remember is that maps like this only try to represent what is usual, and are too small scale to show fine detail. In the case of birds which – surprise! – sometimes behave unusually, get lost, or get blown by contrary winds over long distances, even across oceans, there will always be some of a particular species occasionally showing up in some places where they do not routinely visit or live. At some level, this may happen sufficiently often to be worth noting in texts and lists, but not so often as to show on distribution maps.

Also, changes happen in the climate (etc.), and in species' distributions as they respond to the changes. Since neither existing distribution maps nor textual descriptions get automatically updated, some of them will be out of date, and may disagree with one another. It would be nice if all of these maps, texts and lists were regularly checked against the latest published scientific/ornothological information (the same goes for non-bird species as well, of course), but there aren't enough volunteer editors who want to do it, so we depend on editors like yourself to notice particular anomalies like this, investigate, and update the material if and as necessary, always citing Reliable sources, of course. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.95.48 (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Well that particular page is extremely well maintained as after both my brother and I tried to fix it twice each, yet it keeps being restored to it's incorrect glory. I don't know how much wind there has to be to have brought the invisible ostriches we're supposed to have in the province that I reside and have constantly roamed around in for 35 of the 43 years of my life, but perhaps I should partake in some smoking habits before leaving the house to be able to see them.

It's no wonder more people are refraining from using the website, imagine a kid being an enthusiastic future ornithologist wants to see flamingos, pelicans and a few of the raptors that are on this list only to have the bitter disappointment of coming to the realisation that they can only be seen in sanctuary at the zoo they've already seen so many times before. I thought our edits are supposed to repair mistakes, not spread misinformation... Jayveesee (talk) 04:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

You - or rather an IP address which is presumably you, or your bother, but logged out - are removing entries including those tagged as "(A) Accidental – a species which has been recorded 10 or fewer times in Gauteng". So you wouldn't reasonably expect to see them often, or at all, but they have been there at some point. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I now see that the IP address is blocked, and given edits like [1] rightly so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my brother, he's not a very tactful person, and the reason for me signing up as an "editor" to show things can be repaired with reasoning and conversation.

Thanks for the suggestions. And yes, as I have at multiple occasions have stated the only place you will see live flamingos in Gauteng is in a sanctuary or the Johannesburg zoo. Jayveesee (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I haven't checked all the species you removed, but our own article on Marievale Bird Sanctuary in GP has a picture of a flamingo there; and eBird has 852 records of the species in the province; and 3893 records of Green woodhoopoe; many for each with photos. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I will leave it for someone else to repair in the meantime, as I still am busy learning how to edit properly and effectively for the benefit of the readers before delving back, if it hasn't already been repaired by that time, to fix it appropriately without having anyone having any issues with the edits I make.

Once again thanks Andy Jayveesee (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jayveesee We have a policy in this,Verifiability,not truth UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I was under the impression that this was closed and done with, yet you felt the urge to insert what was basically already stated in previous responses, only in an attempt to seem sasquipedellian, why? Have you forgotten that verification by personal sightings and the maps provided are in fact a key factor in verifiability. As such I can verify that I have never seen the birds I previously mentioned to the other editors in the wild only in bird sanctuaries, the maps indicate that I would be correct in my argument too but if I was, the page would have been left after my first erroneous editorial. But as I already agreed and admitted that birds are unpredictable in there movement your commentary is unnecessary and unwelcome.

Have a nice day. Jayveesee (talk) 10:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jayveesee: "Have you forgotten that verification by personal sightings [is] in fact a key factor in verifiability." Not on Wikipedia they aren't. See WP:V and especially WP:NOR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Then what's the purpose of the maps, the initial issue in question? Jayveesee (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm starting to align with my brother's point of view on this subject as it seems more productive banging my head against a brick wall. Despite my alignment with you and admission of being wrong to a certain degree, it's like no actual truths are actually being addressed only perspectives. Jayveesee (talk) 12:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You may know a 'truth' from your personal observation ("I saw X in place Y at time Z"), but it is only admissible on Wikipedia if it can be verified by citing a published reliable source.

I would also remind you that just because you personally haven't seen something in a large area, that doesn't mean it wasn't there in another place in the area where you weren't at that time, or in the same place at a different time. Private anecdotal non-observations prove nothing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.95.48 (talk) 00:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Should i open ANI case?

Hello, one of my DYKs was promoted but then pulled down for what I believe is an unreasonable reason. I already reached out to the Teahouse for assistance (see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1239#Question_2), and I also sought guidance from one of the most respected Burmese editors, Hybernator (User talk:Hybernator#Question). I revised the article as much as I could according to his suggestions and believe the current version is sufficient. However, the DYK promoter User:AirshipJungleman29 continues to raise issues and pose endless questions. I’ve been patient and polite, as advised by our leader in the Burmese Wikipedia Group, who mentioned that AirshipJungleman29 often challenges Burmese and Chinese editors in the past. So, I keep my desire.

I’ve explained that Asian religious traditions differ significantly from Western ones, and if my article has problems, similar questions should be raised on articles like Sita or Rama, who are also characters from the epic Ramayana, just like Kusa Jataka. I even added an analysis section as requested by AirshipJungleman29. He is still not happy with the improvement. I’m struggling to handle this situation and would prefer not to reopen the case, but I can’t ignore the difficulties being imposed on me. Should I request input from ANI editors? Even if he doesn’t agree with me, I believe he should respect Hybernator. I can't tolerate this kind of rudeness. Wikipedia is a global community where any issues can be discussed openly to resolve them. Thank you. Hteiktinhein (talk) 16:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

According to WP:DYKTIMEOUT: "unpromoted nominations over two months old may be rejected at the discretion of reviewers and promoters."

Well, all the DYK reviewers were too busy to review my nomination within the two-month period. By the time it was reviewed, I had no internet access, but I tried to respond promptly once I was able to get online and addressed the issues. Despite my best efforts, they ultimately rejected the nomination per NLH5. The delay in reviewing the DYK is not the nominator’s (my) fault, as the reviewers seemed too busy and neglected it. If they had reviewed my nomination within one or two months, I would have had enough time to make any necessary revisions for approval. Hteiktinhein (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hteiktinhein. As it says near the top of WP:ANI, This page is for urgent incidents or chronic, intractable behavioral problems. What you are describing is a routine content dispute, and ANI does not adjudicate content disputes. I do not think that you would get a friendly reception at ANI. There are several other forms of dispute resolution available to you. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I don’t believe he has sufficient knowledge of Buddhist cosmology to make content judgments based on his own opinions. At the very least, he should seek input or request comments from a Pali Canon expert or experienced editors on Buddhism, like Redtigerxyz. If a Pali scholar disagrees with the quality of my article for DYK, I will willingly withdraw it. A Christian editor may not fully understand Buddhist cosmology. Hteiktinhein (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I am not Christian, but I will of course say that I have little experience with Buddhist cosmology. What I do understand however, and you do not, are Wikipedia articles and the standards they are to be written to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hteiktinhein, please let me know who your leader in the Burmese Wikipedia Group is, and what exactly they said about my attitude to Burmese and Chinese editors. You can ping them to this discussion if necessary. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

No, he is afraid of you. He said, 'If you (meaning me) write even a small negative comment about him, he’ll take it to ANI for a personal attack and lobby to get your account banned. So, no matter how angry you are with him, you have to stay quiet and respond politely.' That’s why I’ve decided to keep my anger to myself. I won’t be submitting any more DYKs after this experience, as I don’t want to deal with you again in the DYK process. Thank you. Hteiktinhein (talk) 17:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hteiktinhein, this is a collaborative project. It is completetely inappropriate for you to say that our leader in the Burmese Wikipedia Group said something negative about AirshipJungleman29 and then refuse to say who that supposed "leader" is. Transparency is an important social norm on Wikipedia. Back in October, right here at the Teahouse, I gave you a detailed analysis of the problems with your article. Others gave you feedback too. You cannot blame other people if you did not take the advice that other editors offered. Cullen328 (talk) 02:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Who cares? I have the right to no revel who is our mentor is. This is my privacy. Hteiktinhein (talk) 05:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hteiktinhein, please be polite. Not revealing who your "leader" in the Burmese Wikipedia Group is not helping any of the editors at the Teahouse who are trying to assist you. Providing this information will help them check if there actually is any behaviour of AirshipJungleman29 mentioned by you such as "taking it to ANI for a personal attack" and "lobby to get your account banned" that may warrant further investigation. Please co-operate with them to get your issue resolved faster. Thank you TNM101 (chat) 08:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Accusing others of misbehaviour without evidence is the definition of WP:ASPERSIONS. I have asked the editor responsible for the official Burmese Wikipedia group, and they have replied that no such words were said in the group. I must ask Hteiktinhein which group they were referring to? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I simply stated that my mentor or leader told me not to mess with editors like AirshipJungleman29, so I didn’t try to go against them. That’s all. It’s not your business; it’s part of our discipline. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Hteiktinhein, I don't know if it's already clear from the discussions above, but no, do not open an ANI case about this. The policy Wikipedia:No personal attacks prohibits, "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence." A discussion at ANI based on comments from an unnamed third party saying another editor "often challenges Burmese and Chinese editors" may end up getting your own account blocked, and it will not help with the DYK noms. If there is feedback on a DYK nomination that does not make sense, try starting a thread at WT:DYK, and focus as much as possible on the content issues. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Small bracket-related typo

Hello! I'm posting on the Teahouse today because I've noticed a small typo within a special page. For the "bad title" special page for the left curly brace ( { ), the infobox saying "Did you mean" points to Brakcet instead of Bracket. The "Brakcet" article is a redirect to the section of the Unicode article about abstract characters instead of the standalone article about bracket characters. Since none of the other "Did you mean" infoboxes for the unsupported character errors point to "Brakcet," I figured this was a typo and am suggesting that it be fixed. That's all. Thanks! ✶Antrotherkus✶^✶talk✶ 19:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Antrotherkus. I have changed it in Module:Bad title suggestion/override.json.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Nicely done ... * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

When is a List article "too long"?

I'm looking at a List article (List of military electronics of the United States) which is currently 226,025 bytes and growing. There is a hatnote that the list is "very long", but when is it too long? How should an article with this much info be efficiently split into sub-pages? Thank you in advance. — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 05:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You could try to split it into parts for the different branches which would shorten the List for each branch. Synonimany (talk) 10:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

That might work except most items on the list are used across multiple branches. Not sure how we could accomplish that. My question was more like “should it be split” at this point? — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 17:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe one list for cross-branch equipment and one for each branch, could that work? Synonimany (talk) 20:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

And if for example this works, it should be split, as it would be more searchable and readable, because this would make the lists shorter. Synonimany (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Bottom line, you agree it is time for splitting the list. Is that right? If so, I’ll try some things offline and eventually work something out. — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 18:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree, this list is too long. Good luck. Synonimany (talk) 07:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Split it by alphabetical order keeping the size to a minimum in each. For an example, group A-L together and M-Z together. You'd then have "List of military electronics of the United States (A-L)" and "List of military electronics of the United States (M-Z)". The naming convention for list splits is at WP:NCSPLITLIST Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

List of pejorative terms

Is there any kind of list for articles which may use the word "pejorative" in the lead section of their article which therefore refer to the subject matter as a "pejorative" or in a "disparaging" fashion? Iljhgtn (talk) 22:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure I get what you're asking but it seems like Category:Pejorative terms would be a place to start. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 00:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

That is what I needed, thank you. What is a good way to search for categories? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

You can search for categories using the normal search bar that is either on the side or top of the page. Special:Search is the place, you can change the namespace to search by clicking "Search in" and deselect "Article" and select "Category". Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

moved article, trying to clean up links from other pages

I moved an article 'sixgill' to 'cybersixgill' to reflect the changed company name. I'm using Special:WhatLinksHere/Sixgill to clean up inbound links.

Apparently there are some COI discussions for a draft page with this same name. Not sure how to clean up those links that are not editable.

Also, how can I get the draft DA page to stop conflicting with redirects?

Appreciate the help. Alegh (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Cybersixgill

I took a look and it should be fine. Make sure to keep redirects, Draft:Sixgill is just a draft that was moved to Sixgill and a redirect was put in place with it. I see that you created the disambiguate (we call them dabs) at the Draft redirect but then remade it at Sixgill. Just make sure to keep WP:REDIRECTs as they are helpful for the project! I wouldn't edit the archived pages (like the one at the COI noticeboard) but instead to focus on improving the encyclopedia. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Leaving the redirect is what is confusing me. With the redirect, searching for 'sixgill' will automatically take the reader to 'Cybersixgill' and not show the DAB. Is the redirect necessary if I'm creating a DAB? Alegh (talk) 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

You can change the direction of the redirect, if you are using VisualEditor you can read on how to change the direction of redirects at: Wikipedia:Redirect#Using VisualEditor or you can change the source link itself. But in this case, it should still direct towards Cybersixgill to ensure it brings readers to the right place. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I think I'm not explaining my intentions correctly. The original article 'sixgill' was created years ago when that was the name of the company. The company name is now 'cybersixgill' for many years. There are a few other articles existing about actual sixgill sea creatures.

I wanted to create 'sixgill' as a disambiguation page so that the other articles had equal opporunity to show up with that search term, instead of automatically jumping to a company using a similar name.

By making 'sixgill' a redirect, there would be no DAB seen by a reader. Or am I not understanding how the DAB works with a redirect tag on it? Alegh (talk) 02:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The draft to Sixgill should still be targeted towards Cybersixgill because the original target was the normal Sixgill article before the move. The Sixgill article is a disambiguate page, this page is what matters as its in the mainspace and not the draft page which is in a different namespace and isn't accessible through a search engine. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm planning on removing my draft:sixgill, as I created it today for testing the DAB template and what the redirect was doing. It is not the original Draft:sixgill that was the subject of COI talk. That original draft became the article sixgill (moved to Cybersixgill). I hope that makes sense. Alegh (talk) 02:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Mike Tyson

How does Mike Tyson’s article not mention he is a convicted rapist who spent 3 years in jail. Despite the article having a whole section on his “legal troubles” and mentioned other rape allegations- he was charged and convicted of rape in the 90s. This article is locked but this is a gross omission. 2607:FEA8:FF01:48D5:5DD:A820:1B1A:6CBB (talk) 03:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I've answered you in your identical (if with a more accusatory title) section at the help desk. It does mention it, just not where you looked. In the future, though, if you're curious about how to handle an omission you think should be corrected, you can usually make a specific edit request on an article's talk page with the exact text you want to add and where (and include sources) and adding it can be discussed. - Purplewowies (talk) 03:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Content assessment scale

Is it ok to rate high-yielding variety as 'start' class in the content assessment scale, since I have substantially expanded it? 122.176.122.147 (talk) 08:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I was planning to do that just now myself but discovered it has already been rated. I'll review the rating process to check for any errors that need fixing. Great job! Afro 📢Talk! 08:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 122.176.122.147 (talk) 08:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

How can I hibernate my Wikipedia page for a few days?

I would like my Wikipedia page to go offline for for a few days for private reasons. Please can you help me? Okapiheads (talk) 12:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Okapiheads, welcome to the Teahouse.

I am unclear about your question. Do you mean a biographic article that is written about you? Articles can't be "hibernated", but in certain circumstances non-public personal information on a biographic article can be supressed.

You have no other contributions other than this Teahouse question - so let me know if you mean something else? qcne (talk) 12:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Okapiheads Other frequently-asked questions for biography article subjects, describing what they can do, are detailed here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Mike,

There is a Wikipedia page about me. I didn't put it up nor have edited it. Is it possible for it go offline for a few days? Or be taken off "for editing purposes"? I am about to enter a country that is not particularly friendly to journalists. Perhaps I am being overly cautious but it would make me feel better. Is this possible? With thanks. Okapiheads (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Okapiheads Either it will be available to read, or it won't be- articles are not removed from public view temporarily. If you want to argue that you are not notable and the article should be removed period, you can do that. (see WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE) 331dot (talk) 13:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Okapiheads I don't think that is possible, just as you couldn't temporarily shut off an online article about you at The Times. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

... and you would have to check whether there are also articles about you in other-language Wikipedias, which you can do by navigating to the article in English and clicking on the "Wikidata item" link that's usually on the right. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks both. Okay, I understand now. Is it possible at least to remove the photo affiliated with it? And also remove the date of birth which is actually partially wrong as it happens? Okapiheads (talk) 13:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Okapiheads We certainly don't want incorrect DOB in articles. If you email me (which you can do via my UserPage), and confidentially provide the article name, I'll remove that information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, Mike. I have emailed you as suggested. Okapiheads (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Okapiheads,you might find Template:Away useful UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@UnsungHistory Why? That's a userbox. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 20:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cremastra,Because it indicates that a user is not active for some time, and that is what @Okapiheads is asking about UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@UnsungHistory {{away}} is to say on your userpage "I'm not going to be editing because I'm in the process of moving to New Zealand with twelve cats". The OP is asking to have their article temporarily taken down for private/safety reasons. These are quite different, and I don't see how the OP could be served by placing {{away}} on their userpage or anywehre else. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

My issue is dealt with now but thank you for getting stuck in there! I appreciate it. Okapiheads (talk) 09:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thats only a userbox and Cullen328 has already put a message about your answers Ned1a Wanna talk? 20:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

My question is dealt with now but I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to try to answer it. Okapiheads (talk) 09:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Sources and copyrighted materials Q

Q: about print sources: Wikipedia says don't source to places that obviously ripped off copyright https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Restrictions_on_linking -- such as if somebody put the scanned copy of the manual to a video game onto their webpage. It's a physical book. Have sourced refs to the book pages. But unless you own this video game's manual another editor won't be able to verify unless I was to link it to the website that violated copyright. I'm worried somebody will delete these reliable refs because they don't have the book. But my only solution is to link to the web page but am told not to. Wouldn't be able to source the info without it. Is it cool to use print sources? 2601:601:9180:37A0:5584:F6B4:A89E:7F9C (talk) 12:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

ALSO on this train of thought, if this is a problem, shouldn't we kill a large # of print source references on the basis of accessibility? 2601:601:9180:37A0:5584:F6B4:A89E:7F9C (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You can certainly cite printed material, provided it is reliably published: see Offline sources.

There are two possible complications here. First, whether a manual is regarded as published: I think it probably is, but I'm not sure.

Secondly, such a publication is probably a primary source, which can only be used in limited ways. So if you are citing it for uncontroversial factual information (eg date of launch, names of developers) I would think that was acceptable, but for anything more subjective (eg the developers' vision or influences) it would not be. If what you want to cite is details of game play or rules, I would say that unless an independent commentator has discussed these, then they are probably not encyclopaedic. ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Lia Isik

help me get the draft verified, there are links to external sites for confirmation, and the image copyright confirmation was sent to commons wikimedia, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ISIK_(Celik,_Sommerseth_Shaw).jpg Bromptons (talk) 09:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

help me get the draft for this 4 album published musician article moved to article box Draft:Lia Isik Bromptons (talk) 09:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bromptons.

Vast parts of the draft have no sources. How can a reader verify that anything written in the Biography and career section is true.

For biographic articles it is mandatory that every piece of information is backed up by a reliable source using an in-line citation. Please see the referencing tutorial at Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1. The draft will not be accepted without proper referencing.

Please also remove all the external links in the body of the text (or convert them to in-line citations following the guide above). qcne (talk) 10:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

the career and biography section has linked to reliable sources, can you move it article box and edit convert the external links to inline citation Bromptons (talk) 11:30, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

No, @Bromptons, it's your responsibility to properly format the citations. qcne (talk) 11:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The section "Childhood and education", for example, does not have a single reference. But before you spend time looking for sources, and attaching references, for such claims as "Her great grandparents are from villages around Noahs Ark in Ararat Mountains and are of Natives Mesopotamian and Russian origins", you'd better check that there do exist sources describing her or her work in depth. These sources must be independent of her and of each other. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Some formating and cuts made, but still a mess. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Citation

Hello there, I had to ask about the same references in single article with a,b. I created a page on which there was a reference from Example1 news article and I had to use it twice or thrice in the same article, I did it but it ended showing up two different references for the same article. While I have seen many articles which use the same reference but it's in the form of a,b or a,b,c (depending upon the number of usages) in the References section before the Link to the news source. Could someone explain in DETAIL what's it called and how to do it in the pages. As I am still learning and don't know much about it. It would be a great help. Thanks, Regards AstuteFlicker (talk) 14:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

What you're looking for is the Named References feature, WP:NAMEDREFS explains how to use them. Amstrad00 (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

should I be a teahouse host?Tell me in the link I provide here,created in response to recent critisism

This is not going to be productive. Feedback happening on the editor's TP Star Mississippi 15:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User:UnsungHistory/Should UnsungHistory be a Teahouse host poll 1 UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 21:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

When you see a question to which you believe you can provide an informed, lucid and helpful answer, then provide the answer. When you're not sure, can't phrase your answer well, or realize that your answer would add very little to existing answers, then don't. If your answers prompt others to call you a "teahouse host", let them do so. As simple as that. No need for a time-wasting "poll". -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ... Written before reading User talk:UnsungHistory#Teahouse. In consideration of the evidence and good suggestions there, mostly struck through. Hoary (talk) 03:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Context: User talk:UnsungHistory#Teahouse Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Good pointer, Rotideypoc41352. There's no need to add anywhere to what's already said there. -- Hoary (talk) 01:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

photo of Ann Charters

It was strongly suggested in a letter to me from Wikipedia that Ann Charters should have a picture of her on her site.

I wrote her about this, and I hope she is eager to do it. She is a famous photographer in her field and her work is shown in many books, especially those pertaining to blues music. She therefore knows a great deal about copyrighting her images. If she agrees to a photo on her page, perhaps you could reach out with the copyright rules o Wikipedia, or I could send her the parts of the letter sent to me that pertained to this subject. I live many miles from Ann. It would be impossible for me to take it, as suggested; but she is an expert , professional, on the subject, which I. would like her to read the information and figure out which photo she wants to use and how to go about it according to the rules of Wikipedia. Ritlarge (talk) 00:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ritlarge. There's some general information about this kind of thing in Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files and c:Commons:Licensing. Either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons (depending upon where you decide to upload the file) is going to need to have some way of verifying the copyright holder's WP:CONSENT (or c:COM:CONSENT) for any such photos to be hosted. Basically, the copyright holder is going to need to agree to release their content under a copyright license that pretty much allows anyone anywhere in the world to download their work from Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons at anytime and reuse for any purpose. The copyright holder is making their work freely available for others to use with a minimal amount of restriction in advance so that there's no need to ask for separate permission each time. If Ann Charters is how you describe her above, she probably understands what this means, but you could, if you want, send her an email like the ones shown in WP:PERMISSION to make sure. The important things to stress to her are that any copyright license that places restrictions on commercial reuse or derivative use are too restrictive for Wikipedia's and Wikimedia Commons' purposes, and the types of copyright licenses that Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons accept are non-revocable. So, she should be sure she absolutely wants to do something like this because it's really hard to undo after the fact. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Marchjuly, all very clearly stated. i will send her the pertinent information Ritlarge (talk) 16:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Am I allowed to translate pages in other languages (for example French, Russian, etc.) into English using ChatGPT-4o or DeepL to create or expand upon English-language wikipedia?

I have not done this, but since using ChatGPT and DeepL for my personal use, they are both very useful as translation tools. Nor do I intend to do this, though I think it would greatly improve English-language Wikipedia if sources and added details from Wikipedia articles in other languages where more sources and details could greatly flesh out otherwise sparse articles on English Wikipedia (not to mention greatly aid the creation of new English-language Wikipedia articles). 69.124.7.245 (talk) 01:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

You are not encouraged to use ChatGPT for translation as might lose the tone and style expected of a Wikipedia article, which be neutral and essay-like, It's ok to leave translation to English if you don't understand it. You can check the following out for better understanding of what is expected of you Style of Writing on Wikipedia, Editing on Wikipedia and Using ChatGPT Tesleemah (talk) 01:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Tesleemah, I think you're saying that Wikipedia articles must be "neutral and essay-like". I hope I'm wrong. They should not be neutral in introducing and concluding their summaries of disputes such as those between (A) a consensus of reliable sources and (B) wingnuts, though they should neutrally summarize one side and perhaps, if it's significantly notable, the other side too. They should be very different from essays. (It's LLM output that too often reads more or less like a turgid essay by someone miseducated by a poor teacher of English composition.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Hoary,I wanted to say neutral and encyclopedic not ~~essay~~, not essay at all. Tesleemah (talk) 05:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Regarding "more sources", the citations are probably not something that you want LLMs for. Some other language wikis use a parallel set of templates for most citations. For example, {{cita publicación}} will work directly here, and a bot will translate the parameters within a day or so. For most foreign language aspects of the citation like the title, chapter, title of a larger work, or publisher, you don't want to translate those because the point of the citation is point a reader to the source which will not be translated. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 16:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

To anyone reading and getting ideas: please don't do this. We don't want machine-translated material on Wikipedia. Remember that other English speakers are just as capable of using machine translation tools as you are. -- asilvering (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't fix this article

It's Mary, Mother of Jesus, which is a high-profile article if there ever was one and which is protected from editing. There are a number of error messages showing in the Names and Titles section, both in the Christianity and Islam sub-headings. Can someone fix these? Thanks. 2604:3D09:A17E:7300:F420:D133:42F4:36B3 (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit to add: there's also an error message under the Religious Perspectives heading and two more in notes. 2604:3D09:A17E:7300:F420:D133:42F4:36B3 (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that the lang template is used with a "lit=" parameter (apparently for "literal translation") which it doesn't have. These were introduced in Feb 2021 in this edit by @Ineffablebookkeeper, but as far as I can tell, lang has never had a "lit=" parameter, though somebody suggested it on the talk page two weeks ago.

It seems that the "literal translations" should be moved out of the template. ColinFine (talk) 00:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

oh bother. I had no idea that messed it up. Thank you for letting me know!—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 17:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I have fixed the templates. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. There's still an error in the notes, but it seems to be a different error. 2604:3D09:A17E:7300:F420:D133:42F4:36B3 (talk) 02:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Fixed - Changed the template from {{lang}} to {{langx}}. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Default font

Did wikipedia recently changed the default font or something? Suddenly everything looks clean and can't pinpoint exactly why. VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 15:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@VihirLak007: Did you change operating systems? Different operating systems have different default fonts for text: macOS and iOS use San Francisco, Windows uses Arial, and many desktop Linux distributions use Noto Sans. I'm not sure what font Android uses. – dudhhr^talk_contribs^she_her 17:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Balhampur

Add Balhampur Village article on Google maps Kkkksuraj (talk) 14:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Kkkksuraj. Wikipedia does not control Google Maps, so we cannot help. Go to a missing place to Google Maps. qcne (talk) 15:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

[courtesy link] Balhampur. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.95.48 (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Horsepower

Courtesy link: Horsepower

In the page I find the text "DIN 66036 defines one metric horsepower as the power to raise a mass of 75 kilograms against the Earth's gravitational force over a distance of one metre in one second"

It's been sixty years since I finished High School Physics, but I have a vague feeling that this text should include "measured at the Earth's surface" or similar? Thanks, Chris Greaves 96.30.182.81 (talk) 22:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 96.30.182.81 (Chris). If you're able to support such a change with a citation to a reliable source (as defined by Wikipedia), you can either (1) be WP:BOLD and make the change yourself or (2) be WP:CAUTIOUS by proposing it at Talk:Horsepower. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

That reliable source must be the DIN 66036 because of the beginning of the sentence. 176.4.228.65 (talk) 12:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe it's standard gravity from the forum posts I've seen with translations. (They're not authoritative. But, I didn't want to spend $$ to buy the official standard in German.) Standard gravity is defined as a fixed number because actual forces of gravity vary around the earth, even if at the same nominal altitude of zero, or sea-level, etc.. Alegh (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)