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Possibility of viewing tooltips on mobile

Is it possible to view tooltips in articles (the ones indicated by dotted underlining) while viewing Wikipedia on mobile? Although the underlining appears, when that is touched the tooltip doesn't appear. This is the same even when using Desktop view in mobile. NS-Merni (talk) 15:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@NS-Merni: Tooltips have never worked for me on mobile. They do show up on desktop when I'm hovering over them as a little box underneath the tooltip. The more technical-minded folks are over at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), so you could ask a question there. I will say that I never use tooltips while writing because they don't work on every device; instead, I always try to integrate whatever extra stuff in the prose, and if absolutely necessary, I use {{efn}} to create footnotes at the bottom of the article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I will probably ask there then. NS-Merni (talk) 06:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Can't figure out if this is vandalism

This editor User_talk:120.21.30.194 keeps adding OAM after people's names in articles. I can't figure out if it's vandalism or if it's some abbreviation that is familiar to other people. Benevolent human (talk) 05:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC) Benevolent human (talk) 05:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Benevolent human: OAM apparently stands for Order of Australia. No idea if they're generally appended to the end of a name, though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: If the post-nominal were added, it would normally be by the use of Template:Post-nominals/AUS. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:59, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended Confirmed Protected Page Edit Help

Hello, I want to add the information (my sandbox) to a page that's Extended Confirmed Protected. Can someone have a look and apply the possible changes? GONvsKillua (talk) 18:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Use Template:Edit extended-protected on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@GONvsKillua: You'll find further advice at Wikipedia:Edit requests. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

First Reverting Then Restoring

In the article Pi, my edit was first reverted but then was again restored. Was my edit right and if yes then why was it reverted first? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 05:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: perhaps @D.Lazard: misclicked in Twinkle or simply changed their mind. RudolfRed (talk) 05:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ExclusiveEditor. I am not a skilled mathematician but this doesn't seem to be that complex. At least in part, your edit contested the assertion that the Basel problem was a "famous" challenge for mathematicians of the era. That problem took 84 years to solve and the solution brought fame to Leonhard Euler, one of the greatest mathematicians of his era, who was a major contributor to the understanding of pi. So, why do you think this problem that took 84 years to solve was not famous among mathematicians, then and now? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: It may be famous for you, it may be famous for me, but it may not be famous for the third person reading, this is what WP:NPOV says, and I just followed that. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 07:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

The fact that the problem was famous is attested by many sources and the fact that it received a name that is still in use, centuries after being solved. So "famous" is a useful information for readers who ignore the problem and for which it is not famous.

So, my self revert was an error: Just after my first revert, I remarked that the term "Basel problem" appears 6 times in the article and 3 times in the section where it is qualified as "famous". So, I got the impression that "famous" were misplaced, and my revert was just the preparation of a move of "famous" to another place. At that moment, I was too tired for being sure of the right place, and I left the article in a non-controversial state. Nevertheless, I would support restoring "famous". D.Lazard (talk) 07:36, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

I've restored it. ExclusiveEditor, words like that do not contravene NPOV provided they're factual and sourced. Bishonen | tålk 08:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC).

Undisclosed payments

Some one please have a look at Renu Raj. A user named GermanKity tagged 'undisclosed payments tag'. But I don't have any connection or financial benefits from the subject.

Have a look at this too. She is a very famous civil servant from Kerala, India. Idhachu (talk) 07:03, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

courtesy pinging GermanKity ◎ | melecie | t 07:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi MelecieDiancie, Thank You for letting me know. It looks like covert advertising. I would also like to ping to MER-C in this case. GermanKity (talk) 07:26, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Similar articles are here, T. V. Anupama, Sriram Venkitaraman, Ajay Prakash Sawhney etc. I just followed the same. The issue is, I want to know why he tagged undisclosed payments tag. I don't have any such things. Idhachu (talk) 09:06, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Graphic images

What would be an acceptable reason to delete a graphic image like the one on the article, Sexual violence against Tamils in Sri Lanka? The content of the image placed in the article is too graphic and is potentially disturbing to other readers. It's really inappropriate. As mentioned in Wikipedia's types of controversial images: Images depicting death/violence/sexual content, would it be possible to take it down? If so, how? If not, what are the guidelines beside that WP is obviously not censored. Bekkadn (talk) 08:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

The page you've linked to is marked as historical, so does not apply. Other than WP:NOTCENSORED, the main guideline that's relevant is Wikipedia:Offensive material, and there's also WP:ASTONISH. I see you've started a discussion—if it doesn't get a reply then you could remove the images yourself boldly, and discuss with anyone who re-adds them, or you could ask for input in the discussion from a relevant WikiProject. Thanks! — Bilorv (talk) 09:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Page Deletion

Hello, should this page should be deleted or not: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Brian_Graham_(actor)

Should I add references? Or I shouldn't care because it will get deleted anyway. HeyitsmeFellen (talk) 05:44, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@HeyitsmeFellen: The entire point of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brian_Graham_(actor) is to answer the question "should the article be deleted or not". If you can find references, then that might save the article from deletion. If no sources can be found that show notability, then it will likely be deleted. RudolfRed (talk) 05:57, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HeyitsmeFellen. The current version of the article is unreferenced and makes many unverifiable assertions. It reads like it was written by someone with a personal relationship with Graham. So, in its current form, it should be deleted. But perhaps reliable sources have devoted significant coverage to Graham. If so, those sources can be added to the article as references, and the article can be saved by being improved. I have saved quite a few articles that way, and it can be satisfying. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:59, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Created in 2911 without inline references, and has been that way ever since. David notMD (talk) 10:28, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Averages two pageviews a day. Find something else to rescue. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Can we use a Youtube video as a source.

Especially in the articles of WP:BLP. I had a problem with sources in Anikha.Siddartha897 (talk) 09:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC) Siddartha897 (talk) 09:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

hi & welcome to the teahouse Siddartha897! due to being self-published, you may not use youtube videos as sources, with the exception of videos from a reliable source's official youtube channel. feel free to check WP:RSPYT for more information regarding this. happy editing! ◎ | melecie | t 10:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Siddartha897, depends, it's a bit like asking "can we use the internet as source", much on it is crap from the WP-perspective. See WP:RSPYT. For example, a youtube video by and uploaded by CNN is as WP:RS as cnn.com. Anonymously uploaded stuff can't be used, often it's also a copyvio. Some stuff may fall under WP:ABOUTSELF. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

{re|Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} and ◎ | melecie | t You are correct and i can understand WP's policies. But without a reliable source even true info is not accepted here. Siddartha897 (talk) 10:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Oops! the typo i made. Siddartha897 (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Correct, and that goes double for WP:BLP:s. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:53, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Publish a biography of someone else

Please, anyone to help me out by on how to publish a biography of an upcoming Artist??please.. Aywonda (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Aywonda when you say "upcoming Artist" it sounds as if it probably too soon for them to have an article - please read Wikipedia:Up and coming next big thing - Arjayay (talk) 11:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

How to successfully submitted a artist biography?

would like to expand the database of Malaysian artist in wikipedia, but I've tried a few times, it's doesn't seem to get approve by the review team.. how should I do to improve my articles? Icecream2021 (talk) 11:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

I can see only only submission for review. Draft:Eng Hwee Chu was submitted less than an hour ago and has already been declined, so I can't see any undue delay. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

(talk)Thank you so much for your replied. I'll try to re-write the article and send here for comment before submit the article.. is that alright?

njedeh anthony

i am asked by njedeh anthony to create/write on him by it is rejected by wiki. i put all basic data and info. references too Shahzad ameen (talk) 12:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shahzad ameen, welcome to the teahouse, you may have a conflict of interest problem by making an article about someone who asked you to write an article about them depending on the type of relationship you have with the subject. I have looked at your article and I think the article doesn't have 2 reliable sources that provide significant coverage (WP:GNG), and the citations that are placed not as inline citations (WP:Inline citation). Justiyaya (talk) 13:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Why no reply

Why the suggestions that I gave here and here are being ignored. If my suggestion is not helpful or not technically possible then please tell me. Are the suggestions so bad that they are being treated like WP:DENY. This is very frustrating. I should have received a small reply, but I received none...Why...WHy...WHY ? -- Parnaval (talk) 08:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Parnaval That you have not gotten replies does not necessarily mean that you are being ignored- simply that no one has replied yet. It's only been a couple days. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Parnaval, it's one of those disadvantages of being a completely volunteer community. If nobody wants to comment, nobody will. Incidentally, one of my first questions to the Teahouse was also asking why no one else had participated in a discussion I had started and what to do about it. One thing that you can do about it, is notify relevant places that you think will be watched by editors who may be interested in the topic. For example, for the first one, WT:PP would be one of those places. But to be realistic, I don't see anyone being interested on that one, unless you have actual data that most recent deaths articles end up being semiprotected, or at least have a ton of disruptive edits. Even then, the template talk page seems like the wrong place to discuss this. WT:PP or WP:VPP may be better. And, you would only be trying to get a general sense of how the community feels. To make it actually actionable, you would need an WP:RFC advertised at WP:CENT. I reckon that's why everyone's ignored that one; or no one who'd want to discuss it has been online or seen it. It doesn't seem likely to succeed, and even if a few users agreed, it couldn't be implemented without a formal RFC anyway. As to the second one, it's not immediately obvious to me, why that would be a bad idea. Only problem with it is we can not implement it by ourselves. It would need to be implemented by the WMF developers. But it's at the right place. If sufficient people like the idea and want to see it happen, they will comment and let you know. I would wait for responses on that one. Two days is not really all that much on Wikipedia. There are very few editors who are interested in those kinds of discussions, and they may not all have been online or have had the time to get involved in that discussion. Hope this answers your question. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@Parnaval: this is not a place to express your emotions. I know you're frustrated but it is better to ask it there it self. And you didn't even ping anyone so that it notifies them and they may reply you. Many Wikipedians over there didn't got a reply. So be calm, you will definetly get a reply when its worthy. Happy editing!Siddartha897 (talk) 09:33, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@331dot and Usedtobecool: At template talk, I asked more than month ago. I asked there as it is related only to that template. At Idea lab, I asked 2 days ago. That page receives on an average 7 edits daily but after me only bot came to archive old discussions :( .@Siddartha897: I expressed my feelings here as I get friendly replies here. -- Parnaval (talk) 10:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Parnaval, Others have provided some useful advice but I will gently suggest you have unrealistic expectations. Your posting in the teahouse which is one of the more active places on Wikipedia, and it would be unusual for a question to go unanswered for hours.

You are asking about the talk page for a template. With rare exceptions, discussions on talk pages for templates proceed at a glacial pace. I see you figured out how to look up historical activity. That page only got four edits in the last year. If you glance at the post two above yours it's from 2018. That means only to new posts in the last three years. While idea lab is a little more active, sometimes it takes time and sometimes it might require rewording to be more clear. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Sock filter

Hello i was just going through a random user's filter log and find out that he had triggered a filter called "persistent Sockpuppetry" (i wont link that user) but can i get some information on this filter becausei cant find anything on this filter on web,thanks, also where can i report such teigger of filter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.199.140 (talk) 11:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Information about filters is available at WP:Edit filter. In many cases the detail is hidden, as publication might make it easier for culprits to evade the filter. Triggers are logged at Special:AbuseLog, so you don't need to report it. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Theres nothing about this filter there and that filter was triggered months ago thus no one noticed it anyway this is the filter im talking about : "triggered an edit filter, performing the action "edit" on X. Actions taken: none; Filter description: Persistent sockpuppetry (diff)" this filter doesn't have a number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.199.140 (talk • contribs)

This filter does have a number, it just isn't shown, because that particular filter is hidden from public view. Its #643. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you but is this filter true how does it work? And where can i report its triggerers.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.199.140 (talk) 13:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit filters work by looking for edits that match specific patterns, the workings of this particular filter are private and are not available for the public to view. the only editors who can see what this filter is doing are administrators and users with Edit filter managers rights. You don't need to report the triggers anywhere as they're tracked automatically, and you wouldn't be able to see when the filter triggers anyway. 192.76.8.73 (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello mr 192.76.8.73, Is emailing a edit filter manager a good idea when i see this trigger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.199.140 (talk)

You can't see when the filter has been triggered - that information is mostly hidden from the public filter logs. The people who set up these filters already get information on when it's been triggered so there's no need to email them as well. This filter is deliberately private because they don't want people looking at it. 192.76.8.73 (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Contributor

How can I be a Wikipedia contributor? I really want to write for Wikipedia, not only editing. Decarter (talk) 18:15, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@Decarter: Welcome! We're glad to have new editors join our ranks. If you haven't already, consider completing the Wikipedia Adventure to get a grasp of Wikipedia's policies and expectations regarding editors. Then, if you don't know what to work on, check out the Wikipedia:Task Center, which lays out the different things that editors around here work on. Feel free to drop by here if there's anything you don't understand. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:33, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Decarter, Can you clarify what you mean when you say "I really want to write for Wikipedia, not only editing"? Virtually all content in Wikipedia is created by editing, so you are attempting to make a distinction that may not exist. Do you mean create new articles instead of editing existing ones? If so that's a worthy goal but you really ought to have more experience first. Over 99% of brand-new editors who start by creating a new article fail and that's got to be discouraging. If you meant something else, please explain. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Grant's death date in Mudcat Grant article is being constantly changed by unregistered users, what should I do?

Hello. 3 unregistered users keep changing the death date on Mudcat Grant. The sources agree that Grant's death was announced on Saturday (6/12/2021), but the first one claimed to be his grandson and changes the date to 6/11/2021. I reverted the edit, but, shortly after, other unregistered user changed it back. To avoid an edit war, instead of reverting again, I sent him a message, which he didn't answer. Then, a registered user reverted the edits, but a third unregistered user changed one of the dates back. Using Geolocate, I concluded that the three IP adresses are located almost at the same place, near Los Angeles, California. I believe that these users will keep checking the page and put back the date if they were reverted. What should I do? Should I do nothing, or should I tell administrators to protect the page? ObserveOwl (talk) 19:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl These users may be socks, in which case you should add the sock template to their talk pages. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 19:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 19:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl: Request that the page be semi-protected at WP:RFPP. This will stop unregistered account and new editors from editing the page. RudolfRed (talk) 20:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl @RudolfRed I don't think it's worth protecting the page if just one account/sockpuppeteer is vandalizing the article. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl I have created a Sockpuppet investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/2603:8000:CC01:2FB4:81B6:4C53:1C84:F682. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:33, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl and RudolfRed: Thank you very much. ObserveOwl (talk) 20:51, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl The result is available at Wikipedia:Help desk#Deleted SPI case question through RudolfRed's enquiries. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

just as a comment, a rather sad situation can arise where someone clearly died on Sunday, but they were not discovered until Monday. I believe that in the US, under these circumstances the police are obliged to report their death has having occurred on Monday, even though everyone knows it (almost certainly) happened earlier. This situation can, of course, be quite distressing for relatives, who may have a strong desire that the public record reflect what really happened. I have absolutely no idea of the situation with Mudcat Grant, and of course Wikipedia must reflect what the papers say. But it's not easy, and we should probably be as gentle as we can in explaining the situation to potential relatives. Elemimele (talk) 15:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Contacting Editors

Hi Everyone. I am working on a story about Wikipedia editors in Appalachia. Is there a way to contact Appalachia Wiki editors to potentially interview them for the story? Writerinappalachia (talk) 15:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Post an invitation on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Appalachia. ϢereSpielChequers 15:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Writerinappalachia, welcome to the Teahouse! You can try asking at talkpages like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Appalachia, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States, Talk:Appalachia, etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

CCBY License and Wikipedia compatibility for text and images

Is CCBY license compatible with Wikipedia for text and images ? I am aware that CCBY SA 3.0 is the preferred version. What about the CCBY SA 4.0 version? Are therre any restrictions that apply for CCBY license and using text or images Kindlyguide.--NandanYardi (talk) 14:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC) NandanYardi (talk) 14:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

NandanYardi, This: Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#Licenses contains a wealth of information. Unfortunately, look at the table near the top of the page and you will see that CC BY-SA 4.0 is NOT acceptable. Sorry. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a double standard?

On 28 April, @Wojciech Nowakowski '91: asked if it would be possible to publish an article about Sii Poland, the company whose Wikipedia page had previously been removed on account of "the lack of notability and that it was a blatant piece of advertising". In response, @Hoary: and @Fuhghettaboutit: suggested that the article is not suitable for publication and the user "should focus his efforts elsewhere". Although Sii Poland provided multiple references about the company from the largest and reliable media in the country, the article has been removed. Meanwhile, there are articles about smaller or similar scale companies that provide their own website or their own blog as sources (which are not considered good sources) or have virtually no sources that would confirm their notability. For example: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Netguru https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Asseco https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Comarch Can anyone explain on what basis these articles were approved? Regards Wikifan2077 (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikifan2077, a premise of your question is that these three articles were approved. There's no reason to assume that an article has been approved, and indeed I see no evidence that any of the three was approved. I sorry to learn that the three cite unreliable sources, but right now am too sleepy to want to confirm this. You are of course most welcome either to improve one or all of these three articles or, if you think that it/they should be deleted, to move to have it/them deleted. Incidentally, I note that the comment immediately above is your very first edit here; allow me to complement you on your precocity in mastering templates, etc! -- Hoary (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Wikifan2077: Thanks for pointing out those other poorly sourced articles. I marked them as needing better references so other volunteers can look for more sources. If there are none, they might be removed as well. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

How to erase an article

I´m trying to translate an spanish article, Antonio Cuadri, to english, but the entry in english has the same name and i can´t translate it. The person who create the english article is from the team of Antonio, they ask me for help with this. Therealandy (talk) 12:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Therealandy: Meh. The spanish Wikipedia article () fails the sourcing reqirements for living people by a lot. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

There is not, and apparently never has been, an English Wikipedia article entitled Antonio Cuadri. Your draft has no references, so obviously can't become an article in its current state. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Aha! There does exist Draft:Antonio Cuadri, which has been declined three times this week. David notMD (talk) 16:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

A suggestion: Go to List of Spanish films of the 2010s. Open any year and it will show directors who are the subjects of articles. Model the revision of the Cuadri draft on those. This includes learning how to create references. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

About Good Article nominations

Can you please tell me how to nominate an article for 'Good article' , also what is the benefit after given a tag of (Good article).... I want to nominate a city Hajipur for good article tag!!! help me for this!! ItsSkV08 (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@ItsSkV08: Getting an article to good article status is one of the more difficult things to do on Wikipedia. If you're still at the stage of your Wikipedia career where you need to ask for help finding the criteria, you may find it quite difficult. That said, if you're willing to put in the work, your GA reviewer will be able to help you get the article in shape. Just be prepared that it's going to be quite a lot of work. Anyways, to answer your question directly, information about nominating GAs is available at WP:GAN. Please be sure you've reviewed the criteria and made a thorough effort to get the article to meet them before proceeding. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Only about 0.5% of English language articles are GA. David notMD (talk) 17:12, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

DataXoom Page Restoration

Hello! We recently realized that our DataXoom company wikipedia page had been deleted, and we are unsure as to why. I already requested a restoration, and it came back saying the page was taken down due to blatant advertisement under section G11 of the deletion criteria. Our page was factual for our company and did not have any advertisements on it when we last edited it in Fall of 2020. Would anyone know how we can go about getting our page back up, or maybe at least if we can get the last version so that we can edit it? Thanks! Dataxoom2020 (talk) 16:28, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Dataxoom2020, a few things:

1. Your username is a violation of our username policy. It's quite likely you'll be blocked soon until you change your username via Special:GlobalRenameRequest
2. The article about your company was deleted in 2015 as part of a large-scale operation of preventing undisclosed paid editing. The article about your company had been created by a user who participated in such activities, and hense it was deleted.

I recommend recreating your article as a draft (via the article wizard) and then submitting it for review.
Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Please bear in mind, Dataxoom2020, that if you (or anybody else) succeed in getting an article about DataXoom accepted into Wikipedia, that article will not belong to you, will not be for your benefit, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you would like it to say, and should be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with you may have chosen to publish about you in reliable place, not on what you say or want to say. See WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Where can I find some help to improve an article with paragraphs copied "word for word" from a book and tons of unnecessary details that make its size totally crazy and the article unreadable?

Please read Étienne de Perier and Talk:Étienne de Perier... Your comments are welcome. Thanks --Belyny (talk) 02:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Savary34 increased the length of the article by 5X, and you then reduced it by 1/3. You both are participating in a discussion on the Talk page of the article. There are still LARGE sections of text without citations, and lengthy content in quotations that are poorly attributed. David notMD (talk) 03:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi David notMD, Belyny will be blocked for total disrespect of point of view neutrality. See this report--Savary34 (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Citing myself

I want to cite a work of my own. There are at least two problems: (1) it's by me, and (2) it's on Blogspot.

One response to problem (1) is that the work is directly relevant, and there's no substitute for it. And one response to (2) is that it's basically a book, even though it's on Blogspot.

Can someone advise me? Thanks very much.

Imagebeau (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Imagebeau: welcome to the Teahouse! For problem 1, you can see WP:CITESELF for the policy on citing sources that you wrote. In general, citing self-published sources may be considered a conflict of interest and it is well advised to use the {{Request edit}} template to request that others review your edit first. Keep in mind, though, you may have to wait.

As for problem 2, user-generated content, including Blogspot, is generally unacceptable. --littleb2009 (^she/_her) (talk • contribs) 19:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, littleb2009. I will request an edit. Imagebeau (talk) 19:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Pending Changes Rights

FYI

 – Qwerfjkl moved section header to the body of section

Can a user get pending changes reviewer rights if he had joined Wikipedia 3 months ago and have a measurable track record of editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by N Jeevan (talk • contribs)

@N Jeevan: You received an answer here. --bonadea contributions talk 20:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

How to get editor review in talkpage before actually sending the article for review?

Is there a way I can call on few editors to look at my newly created page/article before actually submitting it to review? Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman (talk) 16:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

You could provide a link here to your unsubmitted review and see if anyone at Teahouse is willing to comment. It appears you are being paid to create an article. The hard-working, volunteer, Teahouse hosts are less inclined to help paid editors do the work they are being paid to do. David notMD (talk) 17:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

If this is about User:Sir_Ubaid_Ur_Rehman/MTFX_Group, it's a long way below the standard required of a Wikipedia article. It uses promotional language, and cites no independent sources. Maproom (talk) 20:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article

FYI

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why my articles are deleted . i have copyrights the owner himself asked me to write on it so what is the problem there Shahzad ameen (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Shahzad ameen, Which page exactly do you refer to? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Shahzad ameen, there are three main problems here. The most obvious is that you have a clear conflict of interest as you shouldn't be writing articles about an author or their books if you've been personally asked to by the author in question (whether you're getting paid or just doing him a favour if you're a friend of his.) The second problem is that all of the books' plots that you included in the articles were clear copyright violations from the author's website. To use them, you will need to show that these few paragraphs have been released under a license compatible with Wikipedia's and just saying "I know the author and he tells me it's ok" won't be sufficient. Finally, there is no sign that these books are sufficiently notable to have an article on Wikipedia. You can check out the requirements here. Best, Pichpich (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Shahzad ameen. The thing to realise is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. What the author says or wants to say about his books is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia, and articles about him or his books are not for his benefit. --ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Which citation template to use for an administrative report?

I have a document which is an administrative report produced by an association of municipalities. What would be the best citation template be? Both "book" and "journal" seem possible, but neither seems entirely appropriate. Loris Bennett (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Loris Bennett, I think {{Cite report}} is what you're looking for. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

removing sentences on a talk page

My understanding was I can remove talk page messages if my question was already answered. Is that true? 73.167.238.120 (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC) 

On your own talkpage, yes. Not on pages like this one or article talkpages. See WP:REDACT/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Personal_talk_page_cleanup. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

The question was already answered in an above paragraph on the talk page, so the last post is not needed. I do not know if that was clear or not. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

WaT DOES m

 104.2.20.202 (talk) 23:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you please clarify your question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft for review

!help Hey can anyone help me i have wrtitten an article on Richa Jain can someone review it  Ezeekel654 (talk) 00:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I have submitted your draft for review. Note that there are currently 4,484 pending submissions, so it might take some time before it gets reviewed. Kleinpecan (talk) 00:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Photo author privacy concern

I uploaded a photo released into the public domain by its author, permission given through email. However, I did not know the author's name would be made public and I have good reason to believe they would not want that information public. How can I have this information taken down? Is there any way to have the photo stay up but the author's name removed? SanLeone (talk) 20:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@SanLeone: We can't just take your word for it that you have an email granting permission. See Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission, the author will need to email Wikipedia the permission directly. If the permission does not require attribution, then I think that the name could be omitted, but I am not sure. RudolfRed (talk) 20:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

If this file is the issue, it appears that it will be deleted in the next few days anyway unless further permissions are supplied. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:44, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses SanLeone (talk) 01:53, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

• @SanLeone: The "author name" field can be a pseudonym (there are a few diagrams under my pseudonym "Tigraan" on Wikimedia Commons).

However, I do not think the person who gave you the scan is the "author" for our purposes. I assume that person scanned the newspaper clip, they did not take the photograph back in 1936 or maybe 1937. (One, an internet search for the "author name" gives a plausible hit for someone who based on their university attendance dates should be born in the 1980s or 1990s; two, assuming the photographer was at least 15 was the photograph was taken, they would be 100 now, hence unlikely to be alive and answer email.)

As detailed in WP:SCAN, scanning a newspaper clip does not give you authority to release its copyrights. Furthermore, being the subject of a photograph does not make you the copyright holder. Generally the photographer is the copyright holder.

If I believe the table at WP:COPYEXP, in the (very likely) case that it was taken from a US newspaper with a proper notice of copyright, the copyright term is not expired yet (1936 + 95 years after publication = 2031). What you should do if you want to use the photograph on Wikipedia is to track down the photographer or their heirs. That is of course near impossible after so much time, but it is the law. if it seems stupid to you, write to your representative. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

• @Tigraan: Thank you for your helpful response. Yes, the "author" I listed was a descendent of one of the subjects in the photo. I will wait for the photo to be taken down as he was not the photographer. To my knowledge, the one who sent me the photograph is in his early 70s, but alas still not the photographer.SanLeone (talk) 01:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about a reverted edit

Hello, and thank you for the opportunity to ask a question here. I'm still new to WP and just learning how it all works. My question is, if I make an edit and have citations/references to back up my edit, but then my edit is changed/reverted by a user who (I feel) is making an incorrect edit, and is not providing citations/references to back up their edit, is it enough for me to simply address the issue on the talk page? What if the talk page entry is ignored? Or, is it better to directly message the user who made the revert? I don't want to get into an edit war and I also don't want to get into an argument with someone who doesn't provide citations to back up their edits. Should I make a "semi-protected edit request" so that an independent third party can decide which edit has more merit? Thank you for your time and I apologize if I'm not asking the question correctly, in the correct format or on the correct page. Below is a copy of my talk page entry. Cheers :)

Tua was named Dolphins' starter in 2020, not 2021

The article states, "Tagovailoa shared playing time with Ryan Fitzpatrick during his rookie season before being named the fulltime starter in 2021."

This is inaccurate for a couple of reasons;

Tagovailoa was the starter beginning in 2020, not in 2021 as the Wikipedia article currently states. Fitzpatrick was the official starter for the first six games of the 2020 season. Afterward, Tagovailoa was named the official starter of the Dolphins in Week 8 of the 2020 season and Fitzpatrick was named the backup for the rest of the 2020 season. This Sport Illustrated online article clearly states Tagovailoa became the starter in 2020 and Fitzpatrick became the backup. https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/10/20/tua-tagovailoa-named-starting-quarterback-dolphins

As to the future 2021 season, Tagovailoa has not officially been named the starter. The starting lineup has not been determined by head coach Flores.

Below is the change I made to the page to reflect the correct situation, but it was reverted by another user to incorrect information.

"Tagovailoa shared playing time with Ryan Fitzpatrick during his rookie season. Tua was named the Dolphins' starter as of Week 8 of the 2020 season.

I provided citations to corroborate my edit. I do not see citations for the current, incorrect statement. Thanks :) Gridiron Steamroller (talk) 21:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

References

@Gridiron Steamroller: Welcome to Wikipedia. If you have suggestions to improve an article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I think this was edited while I was posting, so my answer now does not make sense. Ugh! RudolfRed (talk) 01:07, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed:Thank you for your response. If I understand correctly, you're saying to always start a talk page entry before making any edit? I think I read somewhere on WP, "to be bold" when making edits, but okay, I can do that. What about my other questions; "What if the talk page entry is ignored? Or, is it better to directly message the user who made the revert? I don't want to get into an edit war and I also don't want to get into an argument with someone who doesn't provide citations to back up their edits. Should I make a "semi-protected edit request" so that an independent third party can decide which edit has more merit?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gridiron Steamroller (talk • contribs)

You can ignore my first answer. It was based on a reading of your question that changed after I posted. Since you have already started a discussion on the talk page (if I understand correctly now), and your edit has been reverted (?), continue to discuss on the talk page, per the guidance at WP:BRD (you were bold, you got reverted, now discuss). If you can't get a consensus there, then follow the steps at WP:DR. Hope this helps and sorry for the confusion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed:Okay, that makes sense. I'll follow the protocol on the pages you provided. Thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gridiron Steamroller (talk • contribs)

Can I edit someone else’s draft?

Can I edit someone else’s draft? I found a draft, Draft:Jason G. Ballard, that has a lot of problems with it. I really want to help this user by removing the promotional language, maybe even add in section headers and infoboxes. Will I get in trouble if I edit this person’s draft? Helen (let’s talk) 18:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC) Helen (let’s talk) 18:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

HelenDegenerate hello again. Actually, you can! Anything in the draft namespace can be edited by anyone and the person who made the draft will likely appreciate your help. Be bold! --littleb2009 (^she/_her) (talk • contribs) 19:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

HelenDegenerate, nobody has ownership of an article so you should feel free to edit a draft started by somebody else. In the present case, however, the article was started today by a new editor Tsbky (talk · contribs) (his sole 3 edits are to the draft) so he may expect others to leave the draft alone. So my advice is to leave a message on their talk page explaining that you want to help fix the draft before you actually start to work on it. Pichpich (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Agree, in cases like this it's polite to ask first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

That draft badly needs some work. Promotional language, promotional direct external link, no sources cited, misformatted section headers .... Maproom (talk) 21:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

There's even a direct external link to the marketing agency that made such a pig's ear of writing the draft! Maproom (talk) 21:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

"Needs some work" is perhaps a delicate way to say "needs deletion". But Maproom, a little humility, please. Because, let's admit it: neither you nor I could hope to achieve such professional photographic standards. -- Hoary (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Sadly, I have that feeling that the draft belongs at WP:MfD. --littleb2009 (^she/_her) (talk • contribs) 22:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, interesting that for photos dating as far back as 1991, the creating editor claims as "own work". David notMD (talk) 22:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Littleb2009: @Pichpich: @Maproom: @Hoary: @David notMD: Well... I went for it. I tried removing their promotional stuff and cleaning up the article for them. Only to find out that they just got blocked for not disclosing their paid contributions. Had to say I tried. 😥 Helen (let’s talk) 23:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

HelenDegenerate, if you tried to improve it, then I infer that you thought it was worth improving. If it was worth improving then, it's worth improving now. Anybody is welcome to improve it, regardless of the status of the user who was, will be, or won't be paid for doing so. -- Hoary (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Reasons for Misinformation About Vandalism ?

Again, I hope that this is not a stupid question. Is there a good-faith reason, perhaps having to do with how new users become acculturated to Wikipedia, why some inexperienced users have seriously wrong and harmful ideas about what vandalism is and how to deal with it? The policy on vandalism states that vandalism has a very specific meaning in Wikipedia, which is a deliberate attempt to damage the encyclopedia or reduce its effectiveness. However, it is too common for an editor to try to "win" a content dispute by yelling vandalism. My question is: Is there a reason why inexperienced users or good-faith single-purpose accounts (and, yes, many single-purpose accounts are good-faith, and sometimes useful contributors) would think that vandalism is all editing with which they disagree? Also, is there a reason having to do with how editors learn how to edit Wikipedia why an editor would know that WP:VD is a shorthand for vandalism, without knowing that the allegation of vandalism is a personal attack, and without knowing that there is a vandalism noticeboard? Is there a reason why editors think that the way to deal with content disputes is just to keep on yelling vandalism?

This question mostly arises from a particular recent content dispute, but also from many content disputes in which one or both editors kept on saying that edits were vandalism. Is there some gap in the process by which editors introduce themselves to Wikipedia editing so that they misunderstand what vandalism is? Or is the Wikipedia definition of vandalism well known but incorrectly understood outside Wikipedia, so that editors come in already with the wrong idea? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with "vandalism" being used in the Real World in any sense much different from Wikipedia's – destructive damage deliberately or uncaringly carried out – but others may know of dialectical variations. My supposition is that invalid complaints of vandalism are usually motivated by (a) a naïve attempt to pull the wool over our eyes, or (b) a Dunning–Kruger assumption that the complainant is obviously right (as always), so any one who disagrees must be doing so through malevolent contrarianism. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.0.58 (talk) 03:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

How do you start a Draft?

How do you start a Draft? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi ItsJustdancefan. You'll find more information on this at Wikipedia:Drafts, Help:Userspace drafts, Wikipedia:Articles for creation and Help:Your first article, but basically what is done is to create a new page in the draft or the user namespace, which you can then for the most part edit just like you would edit any other Wikipedia page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

ItsJustdancefan (talk) Read lots of Wikipedia articles on similar subjects, to see how to arrange your information. Before starting to write, do your research to make sure you can find enough published articles or book sections that report on what you want to write about. Don't cut and paste long passages from what other people have written, but use your own words to tell what you learned from your sources. Make sure you list references for all your facts.

You need to use a neutral tone, which means you can't give your opinion on whether your subject is good or bad. If writing about a person you can say that the person won an important award, or give a short direct quote of another person stating something positive about the person, but most of what you write needs to be just basic facts, and everything you write has to come from a published source that's not directly connected to who (or what) you're writing about.

When writing for an encyclopedia you need to use a rather "bland" style, but if your subject is both important and notable (plenty of published information available for references) your draft will be interesting to read. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:35, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

public

 Mavix de badess (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC) What cames that if I write anything to Wikisource it can not not be display on Google

@Mavix de badess: What do you mean? Can you elaborate. Siddartha897 (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mavix de badess:, if you have any questions regarding Wikisource, you can ask at that project's help page Scriptorium. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 13:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Mavix de badess, if this has anything to do with your search for a manager/promoter for your music career, you have come to the wrong place. Wikipedia is not for promotion.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Reliability

Is Amazon's citation a reliable source? Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 03:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ken Tony. Amazon is a reliable source for the claim that Amazon is trying to sell something, but that is of little significance because Amazon tries to sell almost everything under the sun. Amazon is not an independent source because it exists only to sell things, and only sources that are both reliable and independent are useful for establishing notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks buddy. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 05:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Copyright-free images

Hello, how can I find copyright-free images for the article Niki and Gabi since it has no pictures?. Gabriella Grande (talk) 10:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)  Note: fixed header ◎ | melecie | t 10:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Gabriella Grande, very likely you can't, WP:s rules here are strict. If a fan has taken an image of them, they can upload it at Commons and then it can be used on WP. Niki and Gabi can also upload selfies there themselves if they think it's a good idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Is a screenshot from a YouTube video free? if it is, how can I let someone upload the picture because I'm blocked from Commons. Gabriella Grande (talk) 10:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: Yes if the Youtube video has a CC license(see https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468?hl=en). You can upload it thorough a fellow Wikipedian. P.s you can filter the youtube videos under creative commons to get req video. Siddartha897 (talk) 11:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Siddartha897: How can I find a Wikipedian to upload the picture? Gabriella Grande (talk) 20:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: It's simple as I mentioned above you can your wikifriend at their talk page (or) ask help here at Teahouse or at WP:HELPDESK. As most of the wikipedians here are volunteers they will be ready to help you if the help you are asking is legit. That's it. Siddartha897 (talk) 05:49, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Create a Translated Page in English Wikipedia

Hello Wikipedians, So thiss time my question is how to create a Translated Page from a foreign language to English Wikipedia. Please do let me have the links or let me know how this process happens. Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @David Biddulph, but I would like to know how to submit an article from other Language for Translation into Wikipedia. Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Which part of the advice at WP:Translation do you not understand? - David Biddulph (talk) 00:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @David Biddulph, being only an Auto-confirmed User, how can I submit translation of articles? Because I can't find how to submit a Japanese article into English. Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

The page I told you about has a link to Help:Your first article, which tells you how to create a draft and how to submit a draft for review. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your help @David Biddulph, but I know how to create an article and have got an article approved from my side. The thing I need to know is that I have read an article in Japanese Wikipedia, which I would like to be in English Wikipedia; So, I would like to know the process in which the article from Japanese gets Translated or how to get it into English Wikipedia. Thanks, Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Try reading Wikipedia:Translation#Requesting a translation from a foreign language to English. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @David Biddulph, now I have found an User Paul Richard who is a Translator and Native in Japanese-English. So, my next question is, What does he do next? Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jocelin Andrea. As David mentioned above, the information you're looking for is basically covered in Help:Your first article, but you can find out some more in Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and perhaps even at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Be advised though that each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines and for an article to be accepted on English Wikipedia it's subject will need to be considered to be Wikipedia notable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Marchjuly, I thought that there are ways to convert a Wikipedia Page from Foreign Language to English directly or through Translators. But did you mean that I need to create a new article on English Wikipedia with the translated content used with the same citations? Jocelin Andrea (talk) 02:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

​ I don't think there's any tool or software that directly translates an article found on some other language Wikipedia and then adds it to English Wikipedia. I think that you will need to create a new article from scratch on English Wikipedia in accordance with the guidance given in WP:TRANSLATE. Whatever you end up creating, however, will need to be in accordance with relevant English Wikipedia policies and guidelines in order for it to avoid being tagged or otherwise nominated for deletion. This means meeting things like WP:N, WP:RS, WP:V and pretty much anything mentioned everything else mentioned in WP:42. Be advised that other language Wikipedia's might have similar policies and guidelines to English Wikipedia, but they might not be applied as rigorously. So, you're shouldn't just assume that an article on another language Wikipedia is automatically OK for English Wikipedia and vice versa. One thing about translating other language Wikipedia articles is that you be fairly competent in the other language (whatever it may be). Machine translations are really frowned upon per WP:MACHINETRANSLATION and you sould be able to at least read the sources cited in the original article so that you can assess not only their reliability but also their context. Wikipedia articles are pretty much never considered to be a reliable source for any purpose per WP:WPNOTRS; so, you will still need to cite reliable sources in support of whatever article you try to create. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Can i upload an Image of a building

Hi, as i am creating an article for a residential complex, I have a question. As there is no image available on wikipedia about that residential complex, can i upload mine image. Means can I click my own image of the residential complex (As i live near that complex) and upload it on wikipedia commons? Will it be considered as copyright even though I am taking that image from my own smartphone? The article is about Godrej Anandam, it is the tallest building in Nagpur, India and well notable here. Badassboy 63637 (talk) 05:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Badassboy 63637. Although Wikipedia is a worldwide project, it is hosted in the United States, and therefore US copyright law applies to photos of buildings. Please read Wikipedia:Freedom of panorama which says Basically, we accept images of buildings and structures taken anywhere in the world, but not images of sculptures or other works of art. Whether the image should be uploaded to to Wikimedia Commons or English Wikipedia is a slightly more complex issue that depends on the copyright laws of India in this case. But photos of buildings thst you take and you freely license are OK on English Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

This building is in India. According to this page, freedom of panorama does apply to buildings in India. Additionally according to that page, you may also take photographs of the interior of the building, so long as you remain in publicly accessible areas.

So, you can feel free to take such a photo, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and add it to that article. Leijurv (talk) 07:21, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archive

Hello hosts, I need help with archiving my talk page. I was initially using the one click archiver but recently added the bot archiver. The bot did It's first archiving today and for some reason it made a new archive page starting at 23. I need help rectifying this. Thank you! Princess of Ara_(talk) 07:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Princess of Ara: This is because you set the |counter= to 23. It is supposed to be "the current number of the last archive", which in your case seems to be 2. Kleinpecan (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! You are far too kind! I stupidly copied the code off someone else's talk page without understanding what it meant. So am I meant to manually change the counter or just leave it to the bot? Princess of Ara_(talk) 08:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

The bot will update it automatically, yeah. Kleinpecan (talk) 08:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft Article

Hi wikipedians) I have two questions. 1. Can I start a discussion about an article to see whether other editors are willing to contribute? 2. Is it possible to create a draft article? Specifically, can I create it first in my Sandbox and then ask from more experienced editors to see whether it worth it to publish it? Antonis Theofanous (talk) 06:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Antonis Theofanous, you can do those things. But if you want people to contribute to or advise on a draft or sandbox page, you'll have to tell them where it is. Maproom (talk) 09:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Notability

How to consider someone who is notable as composer or not. Is IMDb credit is enough for the article creation Urwisher (talk) 10:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Urwisher Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Wikipedia definition of a notable composer is written at WP:COMPOSER. The existence of an IMDB page is not relevant, as IMDB is user-editable. 331dot (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Is my article subject notable enough?

I'm writing my first article on a writer/scholar who has written a few very important books over the past three decades dealing with native Americans, settler colonialism and imperialism. He holds a distinguished chair at Cornell University and is widely cited in his field. I've already started an wikipedia article on him and I'm not sure how to go from the sandbox stage to the published page? Thank for any help... B3McG1 (talk) 04:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:B3McG1/sandbox. the subject is Eric Cheyfitz. ◎ | melecie | t 05:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Right now, your draft has hyperlinks in the text and no references. See WP:Referencing for beginners to learn how to use the information you have into properly formated references. The ref inserted in the text automatically appears, numbered, in the text and the References list. David notMD (talk) 11:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Sun and Moon123

Fix typo, anti-vandalism, correct page (fix move page), and reviewing for pending change.  Sun and Moon | Ping it! 10:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I made your statement its own section. Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Non-free media

How do you upload Non-free media files to Wikipedia like this one here? Peter Ormond 💬 11:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Peter Ormond. You should find all you need to know about this issue at Wikipedia:Non-free content. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

My self on Wikipedia

How do I get .myself and history on Wikipedia that anyone can search to read about me.  Jibril Na`inna (talk) 11:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Jibril Na`inna Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is- you don't, because that's not what Wikipedia is for. If you want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media or a personal website. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person- not what people want to say about themselves. Also please understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. If you actually do meet the definition of a notable person(there are also more specific definitions for particular fields, like musicians), others will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jibril Na`inna:(edit conflict) You have edited your userpage, which is not article space. Please be aware that autobiographys are strongely discouraged, that Wikipedia is not a social network, and that there are good reasons why one would rather not want to have a Wikipedia article about oneselves.

Which is the better reference: German or WayBackMachine? And any hints?

Hi, I've been adding a few bits to Ludwig Hupfeld. I found from German Wikipedia a link to a defunct web-page of Siegfried's Musikkabinett, a German museum containing a Hupfeld instrument, which sadly is about as good as it's possible to get as a reference. This page was in English, and is available on Waybackmachine. But I've since found the new site of the same museum, which contains the same information (and more), but only on their German pages. Which is the better reference for English WP, an archived page, or a modern link in the 'wrong' language? I can't see much point in including both, as they're basically the same organisation saying the same thing. Related to this, does anyone have a crib-list of formats for referencing? I've read the (helpful) WP 'Learn to edit' section on referencing, but it was still a bit of a struggle to work out how to cite waybackmachine in a reference, and I'm not sure I did it correctly. Many thanks for any help. Elemimele (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Elemimele Per WP:NOENG I'd go with the English one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: thanks! Elemimele (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Elemimele, you may be interested in the how-to guide at Wikipedia:Citation templates. There is an entire set of standardized templates such as {{Cite news}}, which I almost always use. I believe the {{Cite web}} template in particular is built into the usual Visual Editor, though I prefer to use the source code editor ("edit source") where the ProveIt gadget handles citations quite well; the gadget's fillable form includes a place for archive links. – Anon423 (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Category changes

Is there a way to "watch" category changes? By this I mean is there a way to see when a page is added to or removed from a certain category? For at least a year, an IP range has been removing Category:Number-one singles in Scotland without a valid reason, and I want to stay on top of things so I can handle these disruptive edits without them being ignored. Thank you. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 12:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@ResPM: If you add a category to your watchlist, you will be able to see pages being added or removed as long as you disable "Hide categorization of pages" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. If you'd like to see additions and removals on the category page itself, you may be interested in this user script: User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer. DanCherek (talk) 13:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Life. Saver. Thank you very much! ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 13:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

On how information can be changed or how does new information get added to the current information

 98.113.83.10 (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@98.113.83.10: I can't understand your question . If you want to add or edit info to a article, just click Edit at the top right corner. Then you can add or change info. If you are asking about anything other, Ask in detail. Siddartha897 (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Not every Olympian is notable

Not every Olympian is notable Many people who represented their country at the Summer and Winter Olympics only have one sentence written about them.

Let me just say: Not every Olympian is notable.

In my opinion for an Olympian to be notable, they have to:

• Be the flagbearer of their country
• Win at least one medal Ireadbooks12 (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ireadbooks12:, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia's notability policy states that Athletes from any sport are presumed notable if they have competed at the modern Olympic Games, including the Summer Olympics (since 1896) or the Winter Olympics (since 1924), or have won a medal at the Paralympic Games. In other words, carrying the flag or winning a medal is not required for notability, according to Wikipedia's definition of the term. --bonadea contributions talk 12:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Ireadbooks12. Whilst I tend to agree with you - and feel similar about many national team members of other sports who get only a single one line entry- the consensus of the Wikipedia community has to be followed, as outlined at WP:NSPORTS. It is in your power not to write about someone, but not to decide what is and isn't notable. If you did wish to change consensus over our criteria, the best place to raise those issues would be at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) or, better still, discuss it first at Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Ireadbooks12 It's certainly your right to think that one must win an Olympic medal to be notable- although personally I take the opposite view since an infintessemal number of the world population as a whole, and even athletes in general, get to compete in the Olympics, the top global competetion in the world- but it doesn't matter what you or I think. As noted, the current notability criteria state that merely appearing in the Olympics is notable, so if you want to work to change that, you are free to do so. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

In my experience, most Olympians do have coverage about them, though it may be hard to find, and often won't be in English-language sources. There's only been a few Olympic articles where there's almost no coverage of them anywhere. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Almost all Olympic athletes will have received significant coverage in their home town newspapers and in specialist publications covering their sport. These sources may well not be available online, but an hour or two of research in the library in their home town would be productive. It is a big deal when someone is selected for an Olympic team. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I file a CoI incident?

I have some trouble dealing with a page called Bella Poarch. Some person with a strikingly same name of the article edited the page so it might be an "editing your own article" or might be a conflict-of-interest.

How do I file a COI incident? User:Ahthga Yram_{Talk with me! I want to change my name!} 15:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Ahthga Yram, see WP:COICOIN for guidance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Please fix it to the East Sea

Hello, I am a citizen of Korea and a user of this site. I thought I should tell you what to fix for this site, which is used by many people.

I searched the sea of ​​japan through the google site, but this site is found. When translating through Korean translation, there was a phrase that I wanted to use the name of the East Sea, but in English it appears as sea of ​​japan.

How about changing the sea of ​​japan to the East Sea?

Please I need your strength for a correct history. Thank you for reading.

Discuss it on the talk page, and please do yourself a favour and leave the worthless nationalistic arguments at home. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 16:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Wecome to the Teahouse. The English Wikipedia uses the name commonly used in English sources. You may be interested in reading Sea of Japan naming dispute. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

See also "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" at Talk:Sea of Japan. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Lost history

A while ago I read an article about a French inventor who invented the J stove in the late 1700s. Recently I had cause to verify some facts about it but the entire article appears to have been deleted and apparently it has now been invented in 1984 by an American. You cannot change history to suit yourself and make everything American 90.244.62.29 (talk) 12:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It's difficult to specifically help you unless you give more information, such as which article or articles you are talking about, but in general if an article was changed incorrectly, you should bring it up on the associated article talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

These topics are discussed in the articles Rocket stove and Argand lamp and Ami Argand. Nothing has been deleted and nobody is trying to change history. Argand is credited as the originator of the concept of the rocket stove, sometimes called a J stove. 16:28, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Cambridge Press Question

Do I have to pay to have access to the Cambridge Press? I've seen that some people have access to it through Wikipedia, but I'm unsure of whether or not I should get access. Point being - Do I have to pay to get access to the Cambridge Press through Wikipedia? If so, how much does it cost and what are the benefits if I do get access? Acryptex (talk) 16:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Acryptex; Wikipedians get access to certain resources through the Wikipedia Library, after they reach a certain threshold of edits (500+ edits, 6+ months editing, 10+ edits in the last month and no active blocks) to help them find sources for content. If you want to request a source for a Wikipedia article, then it's best to do so at the resource exchange. Wikipedians get the resources for free, but please note this is intended for helping find sources for articles. I strongly discourage you from making many edits just with the goal of gaining access to these resources. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Berrely Thank you! Acryptex (talk) 16:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Biography Article creation

please i recently did submitted a draft biography of someone popular in a district area Nigeria, but it was declined , please i need help on to write it correctly that it will be approved. please can someone help me out please. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Engr._Babalola_Olatunji Tommygogd (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Tommygogd, you need a few reliable, secondary sources to back up the article, and ensure notability. See WP:GNG. In addition, the article has inappropriate external links, promotional content, and does not follow the manual of style. See Help:Your first article for information on how to make your first article.Sungodtemple (talk) 17:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

(Sungodtemple)thanks a lot for this , but i really dont know which of the link is inappropriate, please is it possible to help me remove the inappropriate links so i can know what to do next, because all the link i used i got them online with google search. thanks for your help and God bless you.

New user asking something

Editor Blablubbs recommended the teahouse to ask questions. At Tim Lucas, it says he won a Saturn Award for a book he wrote, which is cited, but then it also mentions a second Saturn:

"Lucas is also twice a recipient of The Saturn Award: in 2008 he received the Award for Special Achievement for Mario Bava: All the Colors of the Dark,[46] and in 2018 Kino Lorber's release of Alfred Hitchcock's Lifeboat - featuring Lucas' audio commentary - was honored as the year's Best Classic Film DVD Release."

I see at https://deadline.com/2018/06/saturn-awards-winners-black-panther-blade-runner-2049-shape-of-water-get-out-1202418606/ that Lifeboat won for Best DVD/BD Classic Film Release. Tim Lucas was one of two people who did commentary (the other being Film Professor Drew Casper https://www.kinolorber.com/product/lifeboat-blu-ray). I can't find anything saying that Tim Lucas and Drew Casper won awards. Doesn't the company that put out the DVD Kino Lorber win the award? Maybe it'd be better to say "Kino Lorber's release of Alfred Hitchcock's Lifeboat, which includes commentary by Lucas and film professor Drew Casper, won the 2018 Saturn Award for Best DVD/BD Classic Film Release." Or should we remove that part? TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheHorror TheHorror, I understand your concerns, but after thinking about it a bit myself, you probably know the answer better than I do. If you believe you should change it (based on reliable sources as always, especially for WP:Biographies of living persons), go ahead and do so; a common guideline is WP:Be bold. If you really want other opinions, I'm not a subject expert but I personally think your replacement might be more accurate. You can also solicit other editors' opinions on article talk pages, or at the talk pages of relevant Wikiprojects such as WP:WikiProject Biography, WP:WikiProject Science Fiction, or WikiProject Film's awards task force, or even on the talk pages of users active in the area. – Anon423 (talk) 01:44, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheHorror TheHorror, On another note, the statement about Lifeboat is currently unreferenced, so don't forget to add a citation, such as to the deadline.com article you linked, and maybe also kinolorber.com to establish that Lucas contributed commentary. – Anon423 (talk) 01:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! "Be bold!" I like that! TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Undelete my article

Why my article on speedy deletion? I have collect this my sources. I have a proof all information. Please published my article asap. Thank you for your help. Ayatul Maksud (talk) 13:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Ayatul Maksud Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, and has no interest in helping your fans, enhancing search results for you, or in aiding your career. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. If you truly meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician, someone will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you. Please note that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 13:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Ayatul Maksud: Writing about yourself is discouraged. Please see the comments left on your talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ayatul Maksud: This is possibly the most blatant example I've seen in a long time of how people think they can abuse Wikipedia and promote themselves. "Ayatul Maksud is not married now.He want to marry soon. He has only one girlfriend. But he deserve more than one girlfriend. If any single honest girl want him , please connect to his facebook account." Content like that has absolutely no place whatsoever in this encyclopaedia and, until you meet WP:NMUSIC, an article about you stands no chance of surviving. Maybe it's just WP:TOOSOON? (nice music though!). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Tom Crean (explorer) article

As the author of a self-published biography about Tom Crean there would be a conflict of interest if I were to apply revisions to the article entry for the subject and as such I'm relying on the input of editors to determine a case for including a self-published book as a reference for the changes recently applied. I've outlined why there is a strong case for referencing a self-published book in the Talk Section of the article. This can be read in the Talk section titled 'Royal Irish Academy confirm revisions to the article entry for Tom Crean in Dictionary of Irish Biography.' I would appreciate any assistance on how these changes can be applied? I do hope I've utilised the correct forum for assistance on this matter - Thank you. Timfoley50 (talk) 15:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Tom Crean (explorer)

Welcome to the teahouse, Timfoley50. You are to be commended for attempting to understand and follow our rules on conflict of interest editing - thank you. From a skim of the discussion at Talk:Tom Crean (explorer), it sounds like your biography would now be regarded as an acceptable source if it had already been utilized by Irish DNB. It would probably help to add a WP:COI declaration to your own userpage in any instance, but I can see two ways forward for you. You could be bold, and make those edits directly to the page, but I'd suggest it would be better if you phrase the exact edits you'd like to make and post them first on the talk page as a numbered suggestion of changes you'd like to make. Make each one separate and understandable and say that this is what you propose to do unless there are objections. That means you do the hard work in writing the proposed content, and interested editors simply need to check and comment. For speedier response, you could WP:PING both the other active editors to ensure they see your proposal quicker (I'm afraid you didn't quite do it right in your last edit to the talk page). Give it a week or so and, if there's no dissent to your proposal, make the changes. If they then get reverted, simply start a discussion on the article's talk page to gain consensus. It could be worth making changing individual paragraphs in separate edits. That way it's easier for another editor to identify and disagree with specific bits, rather than the whole lot. Because it is already a Featured Article, it's likely to received greater scrutiny than other pages. You seem to have the right approach to collaborative working, and I'm fully aware that there is a vast range in the quality and purpose of self-published books - and your efforts approach will undoubtedly pay off. Many thanks for posting here. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

(talk Thank you for coming back to me Nick and I appreciate your advice and will take it on board. I just need to familiarise myself with the correct ways of pinging others, adding COI's and signing off correctly here. Timfoley50 (talk) 20:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Stub question by Arno Jacobs

Dear all, I have edit two stub with new references, these are Chen Dong (Song Dynasty) and An Jincang. I was thinking about these two stub and was wandering or a stub does getting delete if the time of 6 month of not editing has past? Or does a stub live forever? I like to keep these two stub and like to see them approved in the Wikipedia area. Kind regards, Arno Arno Jacobs (talk) 11:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Arno Jacobs. A WP:STUB is pretty much like any article in that it can be tagged, prodded or nominated for deletion at any time by any editor if they sincerely feel it doesn't meet the basic qualifications for being an acceptable Wikipedia article. So, a stub is not simply deleted because it has been a stub for any specific amount of time or it hasn't been edited for so many months. Ideally, an article that starts out as a stub should be gradually expanded over time, but there's real no time limit on how long that should take. If you have specific questions about these two articles, trying asking for feedback at WT:CHINA since that's where you may find someone familiar with the subject matter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Chen Dong (Song Dynasty)

 Courtesy link: An Jincang ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 21:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding New Logos to Page

I'm trying to update our tv station logos on the page. I uploaded the logos, but now they say they may be criteria for speedy deletion. How can I reupload and choose that I am the owner of the images, which I am in that I am the brand manager of the station. Cory McRae (talk) 20:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cory McRae. Unless you are willing to release them under an irrevocable free licence (which will allow anybody to use or alter them in any way, for any purpose (commercial or not) without requiring permission from you) you should upload them only to Wikipedia itself (not to Commons) as non-free content. Permission is not relevant for non-free content, but the use must comply with all the conditions in NFCC: this is how logos are usually handled in Wikipedia.

However, there is a much more serious problem: as the brand manager of the station, you have a conflict of interest, and almost certainly are regarded as a paid editor, in which case you must make the required declarations of your status: this is part of the terms of service of Wikipedia. Having made your declaration, you may then make edit requests on the talk page of the relevant article: you should on no account edit the article directly. --ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Homepage Wikipedia

Hi, on the homepage of Wikipedia, under the "Did you know..." section, why are there "?" at the end? Is Wikipedia unsure of the facts they feature on the homepage? Amareforsei (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amareforsei I believe it's because the sentence is a question. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 21:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: Well, they are not! It's a complete sentence. Not at all rhetorical. Amareforsei (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

A sentence starting "Did you know..." is a question, hence the question mark. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

So the title continues, weird. But okay.Amareforsei (talk) 21:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Amareforsei See Wikipedia:Did you know. The articles are there because they are either new, have undergone major expansion, or have been upgraded to GA (Good Article) status. The editors have the privilege of submitting a DYK to the homepage. There are couched as queries as 'hooks' to entice readers to visit the articles, to learn the answers to the questions. The (new/improved) articles tend to get thousand of views on the day the DYK appears. David notMD (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Recovering Deleted Page

New query, I want to create a page, but Wiki says that page was already deleted. It gave G12 as a reason. Amareforsei (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amareforsei: WP:G12 is deleted for copyright infringement, and it cannot be recovered. You will need to start over without seeing the deleted page. Sometimes, pages deleted for other reasons can be recovered and put into draft space if someone wants to work on it. See WP:REFUND for that. RudolfRed (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amareforsei G12 is one of the criteria for speedy deletion, Unambiguous copyright infringment. See WP:G12 for more information. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 21:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: @RudolfRed: So I can create it without any worries? It won't get deleted if I use my own wordings?Amareforsei (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Well, it may still get deleted if it fails to meet our Notability Criteria, or breaches other policies such as WP:PROMOTION. You are best advised to create a WP:DRAFT via Articles for Creation and let a reviewer give you feedback if there are problems. Hope this helps. What article did you want to recreate? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

It's for a Latin Grammy award winner. Is this notable enough? And sure, I will do the Articles for Creation. @Nick Moyes: Amareforsei (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that would seem to meet Criterion 8 of WP:NMUSIC. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Great! But, what about the length? Can I just create a page with a few lines? How much can I rephrase from the awardee's site to avoid G:12 again? @Nick Moyes:

@Amareforsei: If you post the subject's name, I'll confirm sourcing for you. But you'll have to do the wordsmithing and ensure it's not too promotional. As a new user, I recommend you read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Sure, https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Latin_Grammy_Award_for_Best_Tango_Album, I want to create for every winner, starting from Pedro Giraudo whose page was deleted over G:12. @Timtempleton: Amareforsei (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Model your draft on the articles that exist for past winners (their names are in blue). David notMD (talk) 23:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amareforsei: I did a quick search and didn't find very much media coverage besides announcements of upcoming performances. I think you'll find it hard to write a biography without more personal profiles. It will save you frustration if before starting to write the article, you find everything you can that's been written about him, and only include info that can be sourced. I looked on the Spanish Wikipedia and didn't find anything significant, but there may be some Argentinian publications that have better profiles. Try to avoid using his own biography as a source - it'll get challenged for being a primary source. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Okays! Thank you for everything. @David notMD: @Timtempleton:The very first person on the list has only ONE REFERENCE! https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Lito_Vitale Amareforsei (talk) 00:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Even others! https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Latin_Grammy_Award_for_Best_Tango_Album Amareforsei (talk) 00:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Lots of info was added earlier before the standards were enforced. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references for new articles or drafts. David notMD (talk) 00:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Question Regarding this draft (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Chetu)

Greetings, I am Zed. A Newbie to Wikipedia, who attempted to place his first Wikipedia article. Unfortunately, it was declined by a respectable editor, on the grounds that “they do not show significant coverage”. I looked into the ‘Significant coverage” and unfortunately, I am unable to understand what mistake I have committed? I would be grateful, if someone could guide me in this regards, as I wish to not let my time go to waste. Secondly, as a newbie, I do know, that I have a lot to learn and truth be told, with so many polices and guidelines, it is a bit overwhelming to keep them all in mind, while working on the article/s… So, is there any thumb rule, mnemonic or something/anything that allows one to keep them all in mind, while researching/writing or the only way is to keep practicing until we are able to make it? Thanks in advance. Zed J Alexander (talk) 23:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zed J Alexander. When I look at the references in your draft, I see a whole lot of directory entries, lists of "best companies", passing mentions and content which is clearly the result of the company's press releases and PR efforts. None of that is useful for establishing that the company is notable. What is needed is significant coverage in reliable sources about this company that is entirely independent of this company. Three solid references are better than twenty mediocre references. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

General advice is learn by editing existing articles for months before trying to create an article. What does the "We " mean in "...until we are able to make it?" David notMD (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Zed J Alexander: I started to clean it up and found this [[1]] which suggests a not insignificant enterprise, but the pickings are slim otherwise. And please read WP:COI and make the proper disclosures. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thanks.

@David notMD: Its a general expression. Force of habit. Thanks for the advice Zed J Alexander (talk) 00:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thanks. Will do.Zed J Alexander (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

The source that Timtempleton linked to says that it is a "software company", quotes the CEO patting himself on the back for his company's growth, and says they bought an office building. That's a routine blurb in a local business magazine. That's not significant coverage. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328:Thanks a lot... I will keep that in mind next time. I believe, it would be better for me to take David notMD 's Advice and spend sometime on general edits of existing articles, and then later on, try to develop my own articles.

A question about created pages

I was wondering I have created several pages for my user page I don't need anymore, so is there a way to deleted them or request to have them deleted? If so how do I go about doing so? ComputerFreak34 (talk) 01:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@ComputerFreak34: You can tag them with {{Db-userpage}} and an admin will delete it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Prepping a translated article for re-review

I've had to significantly beef up citations on this draft of an article about Brazilian artist Antonio Peticov that I'm translating from the PT Wikipedia original. I've gotten some help here last week (cut a lot of unsourced stuff out compared to the original, cleaned up some flowery language that works in Portuguese and not in English), but I want to make sure that, after a potential 5 month wait, it won't just get immediately rejected again. Any suggestions for improvement would be greatly appreciated. Actionactioncut (talk) 06:05, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Actionactioncut. Your draft is filled with promotional, non-neutral language in Wikipedia's voice, and reads like something that might appear on his own website instead of in a neutral encyclopedia. Please read about the Neutral point of view - you may need to read it several times to fully understand it. Then rewrite your draft radically, eliminating all praise and positive assessments, unless you can attribute that praise to professional art critics. Praise in Wikipedia's voice is simply not allowed unless it is summarizing a strong consensus of coverage in many reliable sources without any significant dissent. Has any critic ever written a negative review of his work? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, there's a fair amount of what appears to be mere trivia. Example: "Upon arrival he met Gilberto Gil, and rented a flat near the singer's residence." And thanks to meeting him, or to renting a flat there, what? If either the meeting or the location demonstrably had a major impact, then say so (citing good sources, of course); if not, then cut this sentence. -- Hoary (talk) 07:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I've gone through and made some more changes from the original translation to improve neutrality. Vis-à-vis negative reviews, truthfully, I really haven't been able to find any yet. I had to dig up a newspaper from 1967 for one of my citations, and even then when he was starting out, I haven't seen any negative critiques. I don't claim to be particularly dialled into the art scene in Brazil, of course, but I have been keeping an eye out for criticisms and controversies.

@Hoary: Yeah, I've turned a more critical eye toward the unsourced claims. Actionactioncut (talk) 01:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

New User Article moved to drafts

Hello! I am a new user who created a page under guidance from the WIKI Glam project. After creation I moved it to the main space and it has since been moved into drafts and or marked for deletion? I am wondering what are the next steps for getting it reviewed and verified so it doesn't get deleted? Any guidance or help would be much appreciated. Thanks very much! Ashley

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Roberts_Projects Ashsnomac (talk) 01:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ashsnomac. It appears that you worked on the article in your user sandbox and then moved it to the article namespace yourself when you thought it was ready. There's nothing wrong with this per se and mainy articles are created this way, but there's a bit of a risk because as soon as something is added to the article namespace it's pretty much there for anyone to edit (including tag or nominate for deletion). This is one of the reasons why new or newish editors are advised to create a draft and then submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review. Doing so won't guarantee that your draft will be approved or even guarantee that it won't be nominated for deletion if it is approved, but AfC reviewers tend to be experienced editors with a good grasp of fundamental concepts such as Wikipedia:Notability, etc. and done usually end up approving drafts which are likely going to soon end up being deleted. What most likely happened in you case is that someone (perhaps a WP:NPP member) came across the article you created and felt that it wasn't quite ready for the article namespace; so, they draftified it. It doesn't appear that they nominated the draft for deletion because that would make drafitying the article sort of pointless, but the page where the article used be in the article namespace needed to be deleted because no such article existed there any more. This is primarily a technical deletion to free up the name just in cases someone else might try to create the same or a similar article. What I suggest you do now is check to page's history and find the editor who drafitified the article and try and figure out why. Once you know why it was draftified, you know what things need to be improved. Then, when you think you've addressed all of the concerns, you can click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the draft and an AfC reviewer will look it over. They may decline the draft once or maybe even more times, but they should leave comments explaining why. As long as you keep on improving the draft and don't keep resubmitting the same declined version over and over again, you'll be able to submit again as many times as it take for the draft to be approved or for you to come to the conclusion that it's never going to be approved no matter how much you want it to be so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Google

Why my article, Renu Raj is not visible in Google? Idhachu (talk) 01:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Idhachu, articles need to be approved by an experienced reviewer before they are indexed by google. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

duplicate footnotes

I just added the text accompanying footnotes 3 and 4 to Arch of Nero (painting). Those two footnotes are identical. How do I make the superscript numbers in the text both [3]? Maurice Magnus (talk) 03:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: hi, I've just fixed it for you. Pressing on "cite" in the tool-box gives you the option to use a citation that has already been used in the article by clicking "re-use". versacespaceleave a message! 04:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Maurice Magnus, welcome to the teahouse. I will usually go to the visual editor, delete the second citation and click the citation button and select reuse under the menu. Justiyaya (talk) 04:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Karnataka for GA

I was looking if this page is of GA(Or FA) standard or not. I Tried to ask the people in the community but none answered. Please Look through the page and give me feedback on if it is of GA standard. I have helped quite alot in this page.

Also The page was of Former FA status but then was removed so I was just wondering if that could make the page ineligable for GA. The page was removed from FA status due to it having issues but most of them have been resolved EpicSnek ^{Talk to me here} 06:28, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi TheEpicSnek, welcome to the teahouse, and sorry about the late reply. I'm not familiar with the GA nomination process, I'll ask someone else to answer this question, expect an reply soon! -- Justiyaya (talk) 18:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright, Thanks EpicSnek ^{Talk to me here} 00:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheEpicSnek: it's not always clear whether something is near GA standard. Any article probably has some things to be fixed. Taking a quick look, I see multiple {{citation needed}} tags, meaning that the article is clearly not up to the standard. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:13, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi TheEpicSnek, I've asked other editors about the GA, and they said that not enough has changed since the removal of the FA for the FA/GA to be added back. --- Justiyaya (talk) 04:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well I will continue to help build the page up to FA status and fix the problems highlighted when the page was removed from FA status. Thanks EpicSnek ^{Talk to me here} 04:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding folders to Deluge

Im a previous utorrent user. I have just downloaded and trying to operate the Deluge bit torrent program but do not know how to add multiple folders for my torrents to go in. Example: I used to have on Utorrent, a folder to download MOVIES, a separate for TV SHOWS, and perhaps another for MUSIC. So far, it seems that I can only download to a single folder. Any help would be appreciated. Jmjacq1 (talk) 05:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jmjacq1. This page is actually for asking questions about editing Wikipedia; it's not a general reference page. You can try asking your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computers. Maybe you'll find someone there who can help you, but the best thing to do would probably be to search online for a Deluge forum or website where you'll find others who use the program. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Copyright Violation?

Hi! I found this article, Evergreen Park Elementary School District 124, and most of the content seems to be from two sources: here and this document pages 43-44, which is from this website in the folder "Local History." Is this a copyright violation? I'm unsure because I don't know whether either source is copyrighted. If so, what do I do? I know admins may revert back to the last edit before the copyvio, but I don't know how to do that / don't feel like I have the authority to do that. Besides, random sentences in the article aren't from either of those pages, so they might be fine? Thanks! -- TheBlueComb (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheBlueComb Please see WP:COPYVIO. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 21:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheBlueComb. Unless there is a clear 'Creative Commons' licence on a webpage, we assume that content written within the last c 70 years is copyright because no copyright statement is actually needed to be visible in law for it to be regarded as such. The only problem that can arise with this assumption is where content has been taken from Wikipedia and then posted on another website and we might draw the wrong conclusion. But that is quite rare, and hardly likely to happen with content about a school! So, it's OK to delete it, ideally linking in the edit summary to a url or publication the text was allegedly copied from. That still leaves the issue of an admin like me needing to delete the earlier versions containing copyrighted content. The procedure for flagging that content for deletion is outline in this subsection of WP:COI.

We also have a generally useful tool to check for Copyvios. Called Earwigs Copyvio Detector it's at https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ Interestingly, it's not flagging up any matches to the sources you mentioned (including the obvious copy of its main educational goals), though I've not looked in detail for other matches. But it also can't look inside certain types of articles or images, of course. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, I have deleted the content. I also checked that tool you mentioned, specifically comparing it to the link in question, but it doesn't come up with anything for the pdf. But the pdf also has nothing when I try ctrl-f, so maybe it has no content text somehow? But it did show up in a Google search I did I think... I don't know how pdfs work. Most of the text from the history section was definitely in there though. -- TheBlueComb (talk) 22:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheBlueComb and Nick Moyes: The reason why earwig doesn't find this is actually simple: Earwig can only read plaintext or documents in the XML group. When you inspect the PDF, you find that the contents are actually an image, which Earwig can't read. Reading text from images is a very complicated procedure known as Optical character recognition. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Why my article got rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:Vikash Kumar Tiwary

As per my knowledge, I followed all the criteria defined by Wikipedia while creating my page. I created my draft page and provided all the genuine sources with Images before submitting it to the final review but after final submission page gets rejected.

Request you to please show me the right path for publishing my articles on Wikipedia. Vikash.fssai (talk) 18:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Your draft was rejected because it gives no indication whatsoever that you are notable like most of us. Theroadislong (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Vikash.fssai, welcome to the teahouse. I have looked at the draft and noticed these issues:

• Possible WP:NPOV Issues, basically you need to remove all bias in the article.
• External links in the body of the article, according to WP:ELCITE external links should be limited to the end of article, under a specific section.
• At least 2 sections without citations.
• Sources might not qualify as "Significant coverage" as described in WP:GNG.

Your article is currently nominated for deletion, if you are sure that an article can be created while following WP:GNG, copy the article to an offline text editor and work on it until you have gotten rid of most of the issues, then try resubmitting it through the same process. -- Justiyaya (talk) 18:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Vikash.fssai Actually, it is nominated for Speedy deletion, which means likely quickly deleted with no history kept. If you mean to try again, essential you save all content to your own comuputer. David notMD (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, assuming you are Vikash, you claim all the photos of you are your own work. David notMD (talk) 21:08, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Note: The draft has since been deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Kevin Pohotona

 163.200.101.57 (talk) 07:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi 163.200.101.57, please elaborate. Justiyaya (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

About Encyclopedia!

The Encyclopedia is really free on Wikipedia? ਰਵੀ ਸਹਿਗਲ (talk) 07:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Yep it is, it is made by editors like us, and you can donate to Wikimedia to keep servers running. Justiyaya (talk) 07:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

ਰਵੀ ਸਹਿਗਲ Justiyaya (talk) 07:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

i leave. ਰਵੀ ਸਹਿਗਲ (talk) 08:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Correction needed but conflict of interest

Hello friends,

I need to make an edit to an article but can't due to conflict of interest. The article is Yana Peel

It says she "She stepped down as CEO in June 2019 as a consequence of the attention paid to her co-ownership of NSO Group”, and references an old Guardian article.

However the Guardian have published a redaction, which says "The Guardian accepts that Mrs Peel is not, and was not, involved in the management, operations or control of NSO, an Israeli cyber intelligence company." Ref: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/jun/14/yana-peel-uk-rights-advocate-serpentine-nso-spyware-pegasus

Can someone help me update this or can I do it myself? Could it be changed to: "She stepped down as CEO in June 2019." Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed your link to a proper internal link, the whole URL is not necessary to link to another Wikipedia article. You are welcome to make an edit request(click for instructions) on Talk:Yana Peel, detailing this change. As it is a WP:BLP issue, someone here may also see this and do it for you. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian I read the original source and the retraction, and think your edit request overly simplifies the situation by removing the reason for her resignation. I’ll comment more if you put in an edit request on the talk page as suggested above. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Timtempleton I've added the edit request on Talk:Yana Peel, can you have a look and give me your thoughts? How about this:

Peel stepped down as CEO in June 2019 as a consequence of the attention paid to her alleged co-ownership of NSO Group. However, Peel was not involved in the management, operations or control of NSO. Peel has a single digit percentage, indirect and passive interest in the regulated Novalpina Capital investment fund that acquired NSO in 2019, and she acquired that stake well before the fund’s acquisition of NSO. Ref Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

adding to a picture caption

Giuseppe Mazzini has a picture on the right with the caption, "Citizens shot for reading Mazzini Journals." I would like to add the following to the caption: (Compare with Édouard Manet, The Execution of Emperor Maximilian). I don't know how to add this; if another editor agrees that it is a worthwhile addition, then please add it. I previously posted this on the Giuseppe Mazzini talk page, but no one replied, and I don't know whether that is because no one thought my addition appropriate or because no one read my post. People seem to reply on Teahouse more promptly. I know that my proposed addition is unusual, but I think that it would be informative. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Replied at the other page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:59, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Question

I would like to know how to insert your own userboxes into your userpage, please. Dinosaur TrexXX33 (chat?) 12:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

You need to transclude it onto your user page, just like you would any other template, by wrapping it into two curly brackets (e.g., {{User:DinosaurTrexXX33/Userboxes/6teen}}). Kleinpecan (talk) 12:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

time at beginning and end

Shouldn't a.m. or p.m. be at the beginning and end of a time period? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 03:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Can you give an example of what you mean? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Sure, if you look at Virginia Tech shooting, the format in the infobox used to be c. 7:15 a.m. - 9:51 a.m. I received a warning that my edits constitute vandalism, and if you look at the vandalism page I believe the edits do not constitute vandalism and that word should be avoided for someone trying to improve Wikipedia. The edits in question were up for a week or two weeks at least from what I remember. There was a suggestion to go to the Teahouse as I am reluctant to make edits since I am threatened with the loss of editing privileges. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 03:32, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@Love of Corey: How was this vandalism? I would agree with the IP here. time-end has "p.m.", why shouldn't time-begin too? Leijurv (talk) 04:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Per the consensus reached on the shooting article talk page. Love of Corey (talk) 04:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright then. It really doesn't take much time to type "per talk page", would have saved the confusion. :) Leijurv (talk) 04:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Wait, where would I type that? You mean in the edit summary? Love of Corey (talk) 05:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

That would be the most sensible place for it, yes. AngryHarpy‍^talk 08:22, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no vandalism though and there is ambiguity over the start of the shooting. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 05:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

There is absolutely no ambiguity at all. Read the talk page discussion that I linked. Love of Corey (talk) 05:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

That being said, edits like that wouldn't constitute as vandalism, as it was clearly made in good faith to improve the article. Refusal to accept consensus and possibly considered disruptive editing? Sure. Vandalism? Definitely not. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

I didn't have a better template to use. Love of Corey (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Love of Corey: ...maybe do not use a template next time, then? Sure, it is harder to type out your thoughts than to click a Twinkle drop-down menu, but that was a clear case of biting the newbie. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe there is ambiguity over the start time of the shooting as the time is approximate. The point is also on the talk page linked to this discussion. Nevertheless, as mentioned above, making edits to improve Wikipedia or edits that are in good-faith, are not vandalism. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Participating in the talk page is also good faith, so keep participating and don't just disregard consensus. Love of Corey (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Observ că nu există ncii o referire la viața, activitatea și imagini ale tenorului Mihai Petculescu de la Opereta de Stat București. A, date biografice despre acest cântăreț de succes ai anilor interbelici și 1950-1960, dar nu știu cum să apară în Wikipedia. Cum să procedez?

 2A02:2F07:A104:B00:5973:70B0:8612:4B0 (talk) 11:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

• Please use English here. This is the English Wikipedia. Bishonen | tålk 11:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC).
  • The question appears to be asking why Mihai Petculescu of the Bucharest State Operetta doesn't have an article here. The answer is because no-one has yet written one. This is the English Wikipedia, so any article would need to be in English, and have references from independent, reliable sources. A guide on article creation is available at Help:Your first article. If you would like to write a Romanian language article, you would need to go to ro.wikipedia.org. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Does this draft follow neutral point of view?

Do the "criticism" and "diversion" sections of this draft follow WP:NPOV? (P.S.: I have the citations but adding them in these sections is remaining. Please ignore the fact as of now.) Excellenc1 (talk) 06:21, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Welcome to the Teahouse. That’s a very impressive and detailed draft. Assuming good sources, I think your two sections seem fair. I would only pick up on the title ‘Diversion’ which doesn’t sound right to me. Perhaps ‘Misuse’ or ‘Hijacking’ might be better alternatives? Good job! Nick Moyes (talk) Nick Moyes (talk) 08:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

My feelings are different from those of Nick Moyes. I found the Criticism section soporific; and the Diversion section says "there's this symbol – people sometimes use it". I accept that Nick's views are better informed. Maproom (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom: You are too kind, but I am definitely not 'better informed' than you! My feedback was based on a quick look, where I found it incredibly detailed but reasonably balanced-looking. I could be wrong, but I would be happy seeing this in mainspace where it can be further tweaked. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

There are statements, including entire sections (Usage) without references. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

My opinion is that showing the colours in a table, with numbers, is unnecessary detail. The reference is sufficient. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

As per the suggestions I have received above, I will certainly add the citations, change the headings to "Reception" and "Misuses" respectively, delete some content from the former "criticism" section to avoid making it soporific, and remove the tables of colours. Will this work? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

MoS for user pages?

Hello! I am here to ask if there is some sort of manual of style for user and user space pages. I was searching the contents of Wp:MoS and I couldn't find any thing about User pages. I am trying to massively expand my user page and I wanted to know if there was some sort of reference that I can use so I know that I'm not crossing any lines. Thank you for your time. Yaxops Banter 12:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Yaxops and welcome. I think you will find that information at Wikipedia:User pages.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:26, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

TYSM! Yaxops Banter 13:44, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Asking on how to permitted to edit a MetaWiki in Wikipedia

FYI

 – Moved from my talk page -Qwerfjkl

Sir, may I ask where should I request to make an edit in MetaWiki, I'm currently translate, The Wikipedia Adventure to my home wiki but I cant Edit a Metawiki.. thank you. -- Shimin_Ufesoj :— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShiminUfesoj (talk • contribs)

User:ShiminUfesoj wants to run The Wikipedia Adventure in a Philippine language. They originally posted the following to MediaWiki:

“ I edited the Bikol Sentral Version of "The Wikipedia Adventure" and I got to the "MediaWiki: Guidedtour-tour-twa1.js" section but it's forbidden to edit, how can I edit it to make my version work properly and be the same as in the English Version? Thank you very much. ”

Here's the link: https://bcl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Guidedtour-tour-twa1.js "

Any way we can help them with this?--Quisqualis (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation

Article for Creation Draft:New Horizon Art Car Good morning, I'm looking for help in getting my article published. It gets turned down for not meeting the 'independent sources' criteria and for its overall character. How can I improve my article? It's about a project that is very dear to me, so any suggestion is much appreciated. Thank you BettinaGsott (talk) 08:48, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

BettinaGsott Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft just tells about the project. Wikipedia articles must do more than tell about the subject, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. I would suggest setting aside the information about the project itself and just gather a minimum of three independent sources with significant coverage("significant coverage" goes beyond just telling about its existence) and summarize those to get the article started; once accepted, the technical information can be added later. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! This is quite helpful and I will try again to 'summarize' versus 'report'. With technical information you mean the sources? BettinaGsott (talk) 09:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Remove all descriptions of the BMW E3 that are not relevant to the art project. That includes technical stuff (engine size, restoration process prior to painting, etc.) David notMD (talk) 10:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Ahhh, so it sounds too much like its promoting BMW? Thanks a million - I think I understand now. BettinaGsott (talk) 15:27, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Stub Pages

Hello, how do I get approval for a page to be graduated from stub status? Heartmusic678 (talk) 15:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Heartmusic678 You don't need approval, it just needs to meet the requirements for start-class or above. What article specifically are you referring to? ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 15:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Edits keep getting removed

I have made some edits to two different pages, all have been removed and I don't understand why so I am hoping to find some help here :) GIADA (brand) - I added content to this page about partnerships with photographers and that was removed and called spam. After that another editor rewrote the page and now it is a misrepresentation of the brand. I have changed the content but it was again removed and called promotional. The information currently in question is the use of the words luxury and womenswear to describe the brand. Also, the brand is an Italian brand, owned by a Chinese company. The articles cited on the page clearly state that but when I change it back it keeps getting removed.  There is an entire Luxury Brand category and I have tried to match the language. Here are some examples.

Gucci "Gucci is a luxury fashion house based in Florence, Italy."

Chloe "Chloé is a French luxury fashion house founded in 1952 by Gaby Aghion... The house is owned by luxury brands holding company Richemont Group." (this relationship seems similar to GIADA)

DAKS "DAKS is a British luxury fashion house, founded in 1894 by Simeon Simpson in London." (owned by Japanese company)

Calibre (menswear) This one uses menswear in the article title

Lanvin (company) "Lanvin is a French multinational high fashion house, which was founded by Jeanne Lanvin in 1889." (also owned by a Chinese company)

I also added to the Gucci page - information about a partnership with a tech company Genies. The article I used as a citation was from a tech magazine and the summary of why it was removed was that "this kind of language may be used in fashion magazines and advertisements, but is not appropriate to an encyclopaedia"  So now I am really confused! With all these other examples, why are my edits being called spam and promotional?

Thank you for your help and guidance!! Ecity97 (talk) 14:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ecity97. Wikipedia has over 6.3 million articles of varying degrees of quality, so you should not expect consistency from article to article. Personally, I think that "luxury" is a promotional term and "womenswear" is an industry insider euphemism for clothing. If you want to select an article as a benchmark to work toward, then pick a Good article or a Featured article which have gone through a formal review. The articles you list are start class, C class or B class. What is your relationship with GIADA? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ecity97, I've just posted on your talk page as it appears the fundamental concern is whether you're being paid to edit. But as a Teahouse reply: I had a look at your text, and actually I'm inclined to disagree with Cullen328 - to my mind, describing something as 'luxury' is merely an indication of which end of the price-bracket for clothing this particular brand tends to target, while 'womenswear' merely means stuff women wear. But this isn't the place for such debates. The right thing to do, when you get reverted and consider it wrong, is to explain your actions on the article's Talk page, where it will encourage other editors to join in - then a consensus should emerge, and someone might even write something better. Differences in opinion are quite normal. As Cullen's own strap-line says: let's discuss it! Elemimele (talk) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

How i can request someone to update the wiki data he provide ? because its outdated.

I'm working as a PR for a Japanese client she is an ex AV star, Now working as a DJ worldwide, I try to update in info on wiki & wiki data, now Im block from making wiki update and help the person.

I'm sure no one wants his/her past to affect your job in this hard time. Krishna pearl (talk) 09:48, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Krishna pearl Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see your user talk page for important information about conflict of interest and paid editing. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a topic. If those sources are summarized inaccurately or with undue weight, please point out the errors on the associated talk page. If the sources are summarized correctly, there isn't much we can do. Note you seem to be talking about a draft. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy, this appears to be about Draft:Mao Hamasaki, so not about updating an existing article. Also, IMBd is not an accepted reliable source reference, so other refs needed. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Here at English Wikipedia there is no evidence that you are blocked. Why did you write that? David notMD (talk) 10:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

It may come as an unexpected treat to TH regulars, but this PR person is interpreting "Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted." as a block. Would that they all did so! Hope they understand declaring COI; otherwise their fear will be realized.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:48, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Krishna pearl If not entirely clear, that last (slightly snarky) comment means that you are required to declare a paid connection on your User page or else you WILL be blocked. David notMD (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

How to crop an image I found in Wikimedia commons

Please remind me how to crop an image I found in Wikimedia commons. Thanks. John NH (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@John NH: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think you may be looking for Commons:CropTool. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

​Fixing that ping. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:39, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jnhmunro: Note that you can use a template to crop an exiting image that you wish to trim to fit within an article. The documentation at Template:CSS image crop describes how to crop an existing Commons image without altering the source file. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Sanbox activity showing up under Contributions?

Should my practice edits be showing up under my publicly-viewable Contributions (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/Merkur_Scorpio) .... or am I doing something wrong in Sandbox?

I'm very new, and want to make sure I'm not breaking wikipedia! lol. Merkur Scorpio (talk) 17:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Merkur Scorpio All of our edits show up in our contributions log. This is a good thing.

There are special circumstances where some may be hidden from public gaze, but that is only for unpleasant transgressions. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 17:21, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Merkur Scorpio: Welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, that is normal, every edit you make is counted. RudolfRed (talk)

Appear as Contributions, but not found by any search within Wikipedia or from outside search engine. Is there an issue that your contribution did not show up? David notMD (talk) 17:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

EDIT: Got it. Thanks, everyone!

Is there a question

 103.155.118.230 (talk) 17:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC) page name Rumel Ahmed

Added a section title to separate from previous entry. David notMD (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Talking with other editors about a particular page

I am new to editing on Wikipedia and still learning. I would like to make substantial changes--mostly adding information--to the following page: C. Farris Bryant,https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/C._Farris_Bryant. Should I contact the editors (or maybe the original page creator) who have done previous work on this page before attempting changes? Is there a way to talk to more than one editor at a time? I want to make these changes to improve the article, but I want to make sure that previous editors are okay with my changes. Attu43 (talk) 17:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Attu43, and welcome to the Teahouse. Every article has a talk page - in this case Talk:C. Farris Bryant, for just that purpose. There is no obligation to discuss a change before making it, but if you think your change might be controversial, it is worth discussing it in advance. If you make a change and another editor disagrees, they can revert your change, and then you can discuss it. See WP:BRD. Note that there is no guarantee that other editors who have contributed to the article will see either your change, or your discussion: it is likely that they will have the article on their watch lists, but they may not happen to notice. If you create a fresh discussion on the talk page, it is worth pinging relevant editors (just as I pinged you here).

Note also that nobody owns an article: just because somebody created an article does not give them special privileges to determine what it should contain. Wikipedia works on consensus, and it's up to all interested editors to develop that. If there is difficulty, then dispute resolution explains how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Help required with hyperlinks that do not display in articles

These are two examples of hyperlinks I want to use that are fine in my browser but don't work on Wikipedia - error 404 displayed

example 1 see this screengrab 1

example 2 see this screengrab 2

These are both from the same website but there are others too eg

Paviland Cave & The Ice Age Hunters RCAHMW

(As per instructions I didn't sign this btw !) Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 13:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Horatius At The Bridge, Weird. The third works for me. The first 2 are 404 at first, then "hiccups" to startpage. If I search "earliest humans" at the site I get no hits. Are you, for some reason, seeing "old" versions of the site? For example, I can see your first page on the wayback machine :[2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Horatius At The Bridge. You may have better luck with this type of issue at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:11, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328 You may well be right - I was just replying to the previous editor so I'll post my reply to him

Hello, Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for your interest. In the first two examples I have navigated from the landing page to the pages I want and they seem now to display OK independently as long as they are left outside brackets etc as below

https://www.dyfedarchaeology.org.uk/lostlandscapes/index.html

https://www.dyfedarchaeology.org.uk/lostlandscapes/earliesthumans.html

when encased the problem re-appears

1

2

https://rcahmw.gov.uk/paviland-cave-and-the-ice-age-hunters/ is the same when encased

Paviland Cave & The Ice Age Hunters RCAHMW

Example 3 above which you say is OK for you displays like this for me

3 Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 18:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

3rr and spam

Does the 3RR apply to obvious spam/promotion? A promotion SPA edit-warred with me a few days ago, and I abided by the 3RR (after an AIV report). He then got indeffed and revdel'd. dudhhr_Contribs 18:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Dudhhr reversion of vandalism is handked in Wikipedia:3RR, see item 4, but, if in doubt, make a report and step away. Nothing is ever urgent on Wikipedia despite things seeming to sometimes Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 18:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Work Computer

I'm currently working a job that has a lot of slow periods of time where I could edit Wikipedia. When I try to edit on my work computer Wikipedia does not allow it. I totally understand the reason why this is the case, but is it possible to get around? I won't be doing any edits with a COI. The company I'm currently working for is PMA Insurance. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

TipsyElephant It sounds to me that you may want to request an IP block exemption; please see WP:IPECPROXY. 331dot (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Using Cite tool in toolbar and still get message citation is not correct

What am I doing wrong? I click on the "cite" tool in the toolbar and it adds a footer for the source, however, editors keep sending the following message that I'm not citing sources using footnotes:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

Do I need to add more citations? Or, does it have something to do with the citation source itself?

Thank you for your input. JDL-author (talk) 19:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)JDL-author

This message only explains the reason why the draft was declined the first time in April. You should pay attention to the recent comments of the second reviewer. Ruslik_Zero 20:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Video tutorials for beginners

Hello, I am new here and english is not my first language, I am struggling to undestand the editting suggestions for my article... is any place where i can see viedeo tutorials of citations and footnotes and external links? many thanks, people! Smart Digital Girl (talk) 18:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Smart Digital Girl, this page Help:Editing has several. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång If English is not your first language, you may want to try editing on that language -specific version of Wikipedia. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I want to create a company page

FYI

 – This User has since been blocked for promotion/advertising. -Qwerfjkl (talk) 20:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am Kashi, Nice to e-meet you all. I was wondering how to create a company page. I see my compassion has created the page. This helps in recruitment of new employees as startup. Any help or advice not to get deleted is appreaciated Kashiks.fitbots (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kashiks.fitbots You may mistake the purpose of Wikipedia. It is not for people to tell people about their employer. Wikipedia:NOTLINKEDIN will interest you Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 17:23, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kashiks.fitbots: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's more information at Your first article, but if you're doing this on behalf of an organisation, you must comply with Wikipedia's paid editing guidelines and declare your affiliation. Wikipedia is not a place to promote an entity. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:24, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

setting up archiving on my talk page

Hello, Could you please set up archiving on my talk page? I'd like to set up numbered archives from the beginning for a period of 5 years for each archive. I mean, activity on my talk page is definitely not something that happens very ofter at all, and I intend to keep it that way. So far, it's been 15 years and the whole page is not unmanageable yet. But it is getting a bit too long, and I've been reading about it, trying to set it up by myself first. But I'm sure the task is much simpler for one the 'wizards' around here. Would someone here be able to set it up like that for me? Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 16:05, 18 June 2021 (UTC) warshy ^(¥¥) 16:05, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

This is directed at the more technical editors here not warshy. It's my opinion that an editor should never have to set up archives. It's moderately technical and typically be on the skill set of brand-new editors. Many struggle with this including myself when I needed to originally set up archives. The obvious answer is that we should create a bot that automatically sets up archives. I wouldn't suggest setting it up for every new user, as I suspect the median number of edits for new uses is roughly 2, And it would be absurd to have the overhead of archives set up for people that would never need it. I don't know the exact number but I would guess there some hurdles such as 50 messages when it might be appropriate to start archiving. Someone who knows how to code thoughts would probably find it trivial to set up a bot to set up automatic archiving for anyone who doesn't have it and has more than a threshold number of top page messages. (Obviously someone will complain so there might have to be an opt out option.)--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Verifying information

Hi! Is there a way to submit legal documents to verify a person’s birth name? Chr1717 (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Chr1717 Sorry no, only published sources are acceptable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. So if someone is the author of an autobiography, the author page & book (which are already listed on their page as a source in another spot would count as a supporting source?

Yes, an autobiography by the subject will normally be regarded as a reliable source even if self-published; but it is not an WP:independent source, so cannot be used for controversial information. Like a birthdate, a person's birth name is usually not controversial, but sometimes it can be. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine, you are right, but I run into dozens of situations where a birthday was controversial, so I wouldn't want to dismiss this too cavalierly. I'd be very concerned about using autobiography. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:27, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanking users who answered my question

How do I thank people who answered a question that I asked, please? Or maybe this is not encouraged here? Can I add the thanks to my original question or not? If not how do I post a thank you to the person who helped? Andrea2603 (talk) 20:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Andrea! You don't have to thank those who answer your questions but we neither encourage nor discourage doing so. You can simply reply to your original question/the answer and say thanks. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 21:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Andrea2603, you can also click on the view history tab, find the edit and you will see the word "thank" at the end. Clicking on that will send thanks to the editor. To avoid accidental clicks, you'll have to confirm, but it's easy to do. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Andrea2603, as an example, I just clicked on the thank button corresponding to your edit which should have sent a message of thanks to you. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Does this draft have a problem? https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:BitMe

Does this draft have a problem? https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:BitMe ItsJustdancefan (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: It's very short, but it looks like it has been accepted as a stub article. Continue to work on expanding it. RudolfRed (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

ItsJustdancefan, there's nothing wrong with the draft. It could and should be expanded but the current stub looks reasonable so I've moved it to the article namespace and added categories. I've also linked to it from other pages so that it won't be orphaned. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 22:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Image usage question

Hi,

There's a set of 56 NFL trading cards from 1986 that we're allowed to use the images from on Wikipedia - the 1986 Jeno's pizza cards.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:1986_Jeno%27s_Pizza

Most of these have been uploaded to Wikimedia on the above link, but 20 have not. I've found a trading card website which displays the pictures from all 56 cards here...
https://www.tcdb.com/Gallery.cfm/sid/25536/1986-Jeno%27s-Pizza-Rolls

My question is, can I take the images from the trading card website and upload them to wikimedia for our use, or does that break the rules?

Thanks, Harper J. Cole (talk) 21:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Harper J. Cole: Welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at their terms of use, Wikipedia can't use the images that are hosted on there. The section on copyright reads:

Copyright
Content published on this website (digital downloads, images, texts, graphics, logos) is the property of Trading Card Database and/or its content creators and protected by United States and international copyright laws. The compilation of all content included in Trading Card Database is the exclusive property of Trading Card Database and protected by U.S. and international copyright laws.

It's not released under an applicable licence, so you'll have to find them elsewhere. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

would like some non-involved parties to review a name change request

This is in reference to the page https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Udasi under talk:https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Udasi

I would like some other parties to help me with a Search engine test, as it relates to finding relevant information from non Wiki or Wikilike sources. I am also posting here to invite others to offer their opinion on the topic since in 2 weeks and only 1 person has said anything in the talk. Support or Oppose, I'm interested in moving the discussion forward so that action can be taken. I have made it quite clear ,i think, however I would like some fresh eyes on the subject to help insure I'm not mental. Please read the whole discussion if you have time and replay there, and engage me here. If I make an edit to the page, it will be changed the same day, and my attempts at the Socratic method have failed as well.

I'd also like a bit of clarification, I'm new around here, as to the nature of Conflict-of-interest editing with regards to religions. Example: Were I a Christion, would it be a COI to involve myself in any topic related to Christianity? Does that same COI extend to any religious scholar, or the field of Comparative religion as a whole. The wiki info on COI doesn't make it clear in regards to ones religious identity causing an inherent COI.

Ram Muni Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 11:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

No. If you were the minister/vicar of a church that had an article, you would have a conflict of interest, but otherwise, just being a Christian does not mean you have a conflict of interest. --Bduke (talk) 11:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bduke: not sure if I did this reply correct, but thanks for your answer. For a Bit more clarity in the context of the article mentioned, I am in fact a disciple "novice" within the Udasin Tradition. Perhaps a better comparison would be that of any Buddhist monk in relation to the "Buddhism" wiki page. Would there be an inherent COI in such instance? The Udasin as a Whole has many schools of taught, and 3 Major schools and countless minor schools. Just as Buddhism has a few major schools and countless minor school. Yet I am an ordained novice/Chela in the " Udasin Bada Akhada " aka the large Udasin community. As the article is not focused on any one institution, or a single school of thought but the tradition as a whole, there should exist no COI yes? example: any ordained Buddhist monk and the general "Buddhism" article. Thanks again for your reply!! --Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

• @Rammuni BadaUdasin: The problem with the page move you suggested at Talk:Udasi is that your comments are simply too long. Very few people will be willing to read through them.

In particular, there is a long diatribe about the SGPC. That information is entirely useless when assessing the move you suggest, but it clutters the page and makes it look like you are looking to score political points, which might put off people who would otherwise have commented. While the political representation of religious minorities in India is certainly an important issue to many people, most Wikipedia editors are probably ignorant of or uninterested in those matters. (You could probably have gotten away with a diatribe about American politics; that is a shame, but things are what they are given the demographics of editors.)

To get your proposal back on track, I would suggest to hide your previous comments in a collapse box (as suggested in WP:COLLAPSENO for a different case) and post a short summary of the sources you investigated. Something like: As of 2021, all major newspaper in India use "Udasin": The Hindustan Times (link, link, link), the Times of India (link, link, link), (etc.). So do government ministers (link, link) and courts (link, link). Of the sources in the article, (link, link) are more than 20 years old, and (link, link) are based on non-Indian sources which should be given less weight per WP:TITLEVAR. Place your links between [brackets] so that they appear shorter than the full URL.

If you have any problems with the formatting, feel free to ask another question. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Thanks for your Ideas, I'll try to edit the page myself to make it more condensed. The part about SGPC is for those who do deeper research, as many of the English sources cited in the article or even many that exist, extensively cite books published in the Punjabi Language about Sikh History. The Legal system in India, having granted authority to the SGPC, discourages dissent from the "official narrative". Many of the books cited by the English books linked are available for free online in Punjabi. Over half of them mention having been approved for publication by the SGPC, and The other half are direct SGPC publications or Authored by SGPC members. Ill try to figure out how to collapse the comments, as it has no direct connection with the name change request however I have no idea how to use HTML. Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 22:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I am new to Wikipedia and need some help.

I am new to Wikipedia. Just few hours back, I tried to make some contribution in Wikipedia by submitting an article on a famous lawyer in India, but the article is declined can anybody help that how can I start in Wikipedia. This is the page link. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Prashant_Mali I am really confused, it will really helpful, if anyone offers for help. Ankitchakraborty677 (talk) 19:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

See WP:Your first article. Your draft has no valid references. Find other articles about lawyers in India, and see how those were created. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Since deleted for copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 22:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Can a submitted draft article be withdrawn?

Can an article that’s been submitted to the Wikipedia:Articles for creation (AfC) process be withdrawn from the AfC process? Thanks for addressing my question! Omygoshogolly (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Omygoshogolly: Sure. If you remove the AfC template from the page, I'd guess a bot will complete the rest of the withdrawal automatically. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Does this draft have a problem?

Does this draft have a problem? https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:BitMe ItsJustdancefan (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

This is answered below. @ItsJustdancefan: please don't post the same questions more than once. Just be patient and wait for an answer. RudolfRed (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as too many blue links?

By blue links I mean links within Wikipedia articles that link to other Wikipedia articles. Like this example. Is there a general guide/manual of style for when those should be used and how often? What words/phrases are considered important enough to get their own blue links? Thank you Normal Name (talk) 02:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this is called overlinking. A relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. Kleinpecan (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Normal Name. This is an area where your best editorial judgment is called for. Try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who knows very little about the specific topic and wants to learn more about that topic. Notable people mentioned in the article should be wikilinked because reading those biographies of people involved in that topic helps with understanding. Many readers will only look at the lead paragraph of the linked article, but that is fine if it contains useful relevant information. So, ask yourself whether the concept is important to deeper understanding. Most English readers will have a familiarity with London, Paris, Rome, Jerusalem, Moscow, Tehran, Beijing, Tokyo and Los Angeles. Linking to those is not likely to be useful. On the other hand, linking to less-known locations relevant to the topic might be quite useful. When it comes to science, history and the world of ideas, linking to several other "on point" articles is useful. Never link to really basic concepts known to all conscious humans like water, air, plant, animal, person, concept, event, birth, death, sun, moon and the like. Just be thoughtful and careful about what you link. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:31, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for answering Normal Name (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

How can I help advance my draft article after I submit it to the Wikipedia:Articles for creation (AfC) process?

Once I’ve submitted an article to AfC, how can I help move it along toward publication? Can I continue to edit the article? Is there a way to estimate how long a newly submitted draft article will take to go through the AfC process? Can I ask an experienced editor to review and improve the article? Can an experienced editor directly move the article into mainspace? (I'm drafting an article at Draft:Solar United Neighbors) Thanks for your help! Omygoshogolly (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

There is a backlog of nearly 5,000 drafts. It is not a queue. Can be days, weeks, or (sadly) months before review. No means to speed that process. Yes, you can continue to edit the article. You can ask here for comments on your draft, but do not expect revision help (although that sometimes happens). David notMD (talk) 21:11, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Omygoshogolly: The article would benefit from an organization infobox with logo, rather than a photo of a random couple sitting at top. See Think Together for an example of what this would look like, and as a source for the template code. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:28, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Do I need to obtain an organization's permission to use its logo in this way on Wikipedia? Omygoshogolly (talk) 23:48, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I think I just answered my own question. It appears I can use the "non-free logo" template when uploading a low resolution image of the logo. I will also follow guidance in the Think Together example. Thanks again! Omygoshogolly (talk) 00:28, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Omygoshogolly: I can't remember if you can upload a logo to a draft article. There has to be an article for the process I use to work. Maybe at least do the infobox without the logo. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:36, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Omygoshogolly: I got interested in your draft after seeing the first one or two posts above. I added numerous good sources and reorganized it; it's now published at Solar United Neighbors. This organization has a fascinating story: it starred after two 12 year-olds pestered their parents to get solar panels on their house. Thanks for your contributions. --- Possibly ☎ 04:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

How to address a potentially problematic edit?

I saw this recent edit [3]. Something about it seems off or improper, from an WP:NPOV standpoint, but I can't quite put a finger on it, nor figure out what to do. Perhaps I should move the material further down the article, and rewrite it? I'm not sure if it's appropriate to remove it entirely. Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 04:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Cheerful Squirrel, and welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at the edit and went ahead and removed it. Your instinct is definitely correct that that material about Abrams's political opinions is unsuitable for the lede of an article that's not about her political opinions. I removed it entirely, rather than putting it elsewhere in teh article, because it's unsourced editorializing in Wikipedia's voice that synthesizes two of Abrams's political opinions to create the implication that she's being hypocritical. If a reliable source compared those two opinions and concluded that she's being hypocritical by holding both of them, then that content might have a place on Wikipedia--though probably still not in that article specifically--but if a reliable source does not make that comparison, then it would be original research for us to do so. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 04:36, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: aha, that makes sense! Thank you very much! Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: uh oh, I'm now in an edit war with this editor over this issue. You've been very generous with your time, which I greatly appreciate, so I don't want to further impose. But if you or other editors have any thoughts on how to respond, I'd be grateful to hear. I tried to write them a note explaining [4] Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 05:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so, in an average editing dispute, your next step would be to open up a discussion on the talk page of the article, laying out your case as to why the edit should be removed, and the two of you would either hash it out there, or get input from other editors who are looking at that article. If nobody can reach a consensus there, then there are other dispute resolution mechanisms one could pursue.

However, I don't really think this specific editor is particularly interested in talking to us, judging by the fact that they're calling our edits vandalism. Moreover, these edits are about a living person, and are politically charged at that. As the BLP policy emphasizes: contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. Technically, BLP-enforcing edits are exempt from some of the rules about edit-warring, so I don't think you're in trouble yet, but as the section says, you should be very cautious about using that exemption.

So, I think it's best to try to get help from another admin. I happen to be an admin, but I'm now involved in the content dispute, so it would be inappropriate for me to intervene myself. There are a couple places we could go; the first thing that comes to mind is asking for help from a noticeboard such as the BLP noticeboard, since this material involves a living person. There's the original research noticeboard, as well. One could also go to the more general-purpose administrators' noticeboard or incident noticeboard, but be warned that those two noticeboards (particularly ANI) can be...a bit of a free-for-all at times. It's also possible to simply contact an administrator directly: I see Cullen328's name in a thread above, so he might be able to come take a look and give us his opinion on the article and the IP editor--Cullen, the editor in question is 97.118.24.243. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Cheerful Squirrel, here is a lesson that almost all effective Wikipedia editors learn very quickly: Do not ever, ever, ever engage in edit warring behavior. It is never appropriate in a content dispute, and may well lead to blocks. Do not blame another editor because it always takes at least two to edit war. Use other forms of Dispute resolution instead. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:49, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Inappropriate Images on Wikipedia.

Iam talking about graphic, sexual and sensitive images in articles like Sexual violence against Tamils in Sri Lanka, Sexual intercourse, and many other articles . The images are not the problem here but there is no warning or anything like sensitive content ahead like in other websites such as instagram. So I think there should be a warning in every article that contains inappropriate content and the image shouldn't be displayed before. Siddartha897 (talk) 11:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times before. We're not censored. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

WP is doing the right thing. Siddartha897 (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

• @Siddartha897: The two articles you give as examples are not exactly similar.

As explained already, we will not remove content just because it is harmful. Nobody who clicks on the article "sexual intercourse" should be surprised to find images of exactly that. Images of Muhammad and other prophets are part of a long Islamic painting tradition and will not be removed even though they are seen as blasphemy by a large fraction of Muslims. Chemical information about the content of high explosives could be used to manufacture bombs, but it still remains.

On the other hand, the guideline WP:GRATUITOUS does suggest to not use shocking imagery when they bring nothing to the article. I do think that guideline is a valid argument for the discussion at Talk:Sexual violence against Tamils in Sri Lanka (and I brought it up there). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} I agree with you and WP:GRATUITOUS. As I said before I don't have any problem with the images and not forcing anyone to remove them, as the images are informative according to WP:GRATUITOUS they should be there. I'm just asking why there isn't a warning before it. And about Talk:Sexual violence against Tamils in Sri Lanka I think we should add a warning template (you can check it there).Siddartha897 (talk) 06:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Can I change an unprotected article's title?

 Fasscass (talk) 07:09, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

It would be wiser to put your arguments for change of title on the talk page and see if a consensus is reached. --Bduke (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

The article as a whole is not popular and has barely been touched since its creation, let alone talk which is empty. It's safe to assume I'm the only interested user. Regardless of that though, is it possible for me to change an article's title? As in do I have the permission, and if so how is this done? Fasscass (talk) 07:16, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Fasscass Any editor in good standing who has been editing for a certain length of time acquires the right to move any article to a new title. With that right comes the responsibility to get it right. This includes any necessary consensus, and adherence to Wikipedia:Article titles

The retitling is performed via the more tab for the article you wish to move, followed boy the use of move. This only appears when one has the right to move something. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 07:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

More details on the process of moving a page are at WP:Moving a page. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense, thank you Fasscass (talk) 07:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines for cinematographers

Greetings to the most amazing people of the Tea House. My question is - are there any specific guidelines for Cinematographer? I am guessing no which will lead me to WP:Creative. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.. A Cinematographer or DOP with multiple notable films will fulfil this criteria. But I feel challenged because such DOPs might not fulfil WP:GNG or WP:BASIC since it is rare that press write about them in individual capacity. But, it feels unfair to the DOPs since they are a very integral part of film making and their contribution is often underestimated. It would be unfortunate that the same happens at our Wikipedia project. So to summarise, my question is, what if someone qualifies the WP:CREATIVE criteria but otherwise fails WP:GNG or WP:BASIC? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 12:55, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad. The basic guidance is that People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. All of the more specific notability guidelines for people are based on the assumption that if someone meets that threshold, then the coverage in reliable sources exists somewhere. When you write that "it is rare that press write about them in individual capacity", then you are saying, in effect, that most of them are not eligible for a Wikipedia biography. You can't write a biography without the raw materials and a name on a list of credits is not enough. The one exception I mentioned is Wikipedia:Notability (academics). Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

All that being said, there are well over a thousand biographies of cinematographers, so clearly a certain percentage of people working in that field are notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen³²⁸, this is helpful. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Citation question

Hello - My submission for a page has been rejected as my citations aren't formatted correctly but they look correct on my end with citation numbers and a list. Can I show you my sandbox to get your advice about what I have done wrong? D.B.Chace (talk) 02:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@D.B.Chace: If I understand the reviewer's comment on your talk page correctly, then in Draft:Todd_Masters there are a few places where you put in external urls in the main body of the article, for example you linked to Master FX Studio website and also Daniella Chase website. Remove these external links from the body of the article, and read WP:EL to see if they would be appropriate in the external links section instead. You will also want to pay attention to the reviewer's comment about how your draft reads like an advertisement, and improve the wording so that it is more neutral. RudolfRed (talk) 03:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi D.B.Chace. Is your question about Draft:Todd Masters? If it is, then I don't think the draft wasn't really declined because of citations being formatted incorrectly; that's a technical issue that can be fixed fairly easily. Rather, I think the draft was declined because the sources you cited don't really help establish that the subject of the article meets Wikipedia:Notability (people). Many of the sources you cited are not what Wikipedia considers to be reliable sources or are sources that don't show significant coverage. It makes no difference how the sources are formatted if the problem is that source isn't good to begin with. The draft also includes lots of embedded external links which isn't really acceptable, but too is something that can be fixed. It's the Wikipedia notability of the subject that's essentially being assessed by the AfC reviewer, and it makes no difference how well written or formatted an article is if notability isn't established. Maybe try asking about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers to see if any of the members of that WikiProject can offer some more specific suggestions. You can also try directly asking the AfC review who declined the article for further clarification by simply leaving a message on their user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

D.B.Chace I just fixed many of the reference and inline link issues that Marchjuly mentioned. I also agree that it needs many more WP:Reliable sources to establish notability. I removed the use of prnewswire.com and also the wiki sources, as we don't use wikis as sources. Also, I removed three or four external links to MastersFX studio, so if you are associated with the studio please follow WP:COI. --- Possibly ☎ 03:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

D.B.Chace No idea what you were thinking, but you turned every one of your previously created refs into useless non-refs. I restored the version before your most recent effort. David notMD (talk) 09:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Converted first ref into a properly formatted ref as an example. There are still major problems with the draft. Mostly, LOTS of content is not referenced. Work on fixing refs (see WP:Referencing for beginners) and adding refs while waiting for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 09:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

referance website's page rank

Is there any issues like when I add some references, the reference website should have a high google page rank / alexa rank ? Minhazulasif039 (talk) 22:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Minhazulasif039: Welcome to Wikipedia. No, that does not matter. It matters if the source is reliable. See WP:RS for guidance on that. RudolfRed (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Absolutly not, Minhazulasif039. There are many highly ranked pages which are not reliable sources - for example, Wikipedia itself! Conversely, reliable sources do not need to be online, never mind highly-ranked. It's fair to say that Wikipedia has very little to do with page ranking (or any other measure of popularity) in any respect: popularity does not necessarily confer notability in Wikipedia's sense; and attempts to use Wikipedia to enhance a subject's popularity tend to be strongly resisted by the volunteer editors. --ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Resources

 Ix57ta23 (talk) 11:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ix57ta23 welcome to the teahouse, what do you need help with? Justiyaya (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize that the question was posted on your talk page, to cite information, click the edit button on a page, put your cursor where you want the citation to go, and click the "Cite" button with the quotation mark symbol in the tool bar. I still am trying to figure out if the citation you want to put in is a book, website, or something else, so I can't really help with the next step, but the on screen instructions should be enough for you to insert your citation into the editor, finally, just click on the publish button and you should be done adding your citation. Justiyaya (talk) 12:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it ok for me to use a legitimate source if it's hosted on blogspot?

So I use a fairly reliable source run by a library but it is hosted on Blogspot. I always get a warning about using proper sources when adding them but they are a reliable source.

The site is: http://wimmera-w-b-w.blogspot.com BakuFromAus (talk) 11:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BakuFromAus, and welcome to the Teahouse. The relevant policy is at WP:BLOGS, which says "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications." It doesn't look to me as if the Wimmera blog meets that criterion, but as always, this is a matter of discretion. However, that section explains the (limited) ways in which self-published sources may be used, so it also depends on what information you're trying to source to it. --ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

What specific information do you want to cite from that blog? It contains lots of photos of newspaper cutouts, which can be attributed to local newspapers and thus would be considered reliable. If you pick a particular cutout and manage to pinpoint a reference to a newspaper archive or any other kind of archive, then that citation would deffinitelly be reliable. On the whole, however, this blog is a self-published source and is probably not considered reliable. Anton.bersh (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine, thanks for the reply and warm welcome. Based on that, I would agree it does not meet the guidelines however they do seem quite relibale and if I were to use my own discretion I would say it's ok. For some things, they are one of the few reliable sources and it would be rather hard to find other equally reliable websites.

Hi Anton.bersh, thanks for the reply. I mainly do pages for railway stations and lines that do not currently have Wikipedia pages but are significant enough they should. FOr instance, the Yaapeet line I have made a draft version of in my notepad and wthe wimmera way back when is one of the few decent sourced (here: http://wimmera-w-b-w.blogspot.com/2013/01/railways-yaapeet-line.html) with a heap of info. I presume they have gathered that information from their own research in real life as well as reading through several books however they do not cite their sources so it's impossible to know. The article I linked as an example does not contain any newspaper trimmings but it does have photos of sttaion sites which I guess could be used as evidence nothing exists at the ones that have been demolished but nothing more than that. I'll be honest, they say a few things I can't verify on the web but I am sure I could if I were to head down to the library that writes the blog and ask for some books relating to it or ask people who worked on the railway line (which I know is prohibited on Wikipedia so I wouldn't).

Also, I have a question for you both, what counts as "self published"? Aren't all websites self published? Why do websites hosted on blogspot suddenly count as self published where, say, website with a custom domain wouldn't?

P.S I'm not quite sure If i did the whole mentioning users thing or formatted this post right but thank you for all your help!

Accidental edit conflict in the middle of improving a list... What should I do?

I accidentally pressed the "Enter" key on my keyboard and it appeared the "Edit conflict" screen so I had to leave immediately. However, one edit was saved when it happened. I shouldn't have pressed it or I should have stop loading the page when I was editing a list in a helpful manner.

I am very concerned that something bad will happen to my account, even if the edit conflict has its filter log. What should I do?--André the Android^(talk) 11:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, André the Android, and welcome to the Teahouse. Edit conflicts can be annoying (especially on pages like this one!) but they're purely technical issues when the software thinks that you're trying to publish a change when somebody else has just altered the same section. They are not like an edit filter, and they don't reflect on your account in any way. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I tried to reply to thank you for your help and to state that no one but myself was involved in the edit conflict from the list, but it appeared to me either another edit conflict or (even worse) a filter log which made felt as if I were blocked, although I was about to edit in a civilized manner. This made me not only frustrated with its software's actions, but I also felt that I have a mischance.--André the Android^(talk) 14:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

No problem, André the Android, self conflict is a perennial minor nuisance in the collaborative editing software. It happens so often to me, I sometimes forget that it looked scary when I was a new editor. I mostly make it happen by double clicking when it should have been single. This makes the software try to change the same original version twice. Self conflict. Maybe some day it will be treated as a bug and repaired, but our industrious software developers always have many other priorities.

When it happens, you just have to look at the new version you have created, and see whether the change came out as good or bad. If bad, then undo and try again; your edit record will actually indicate that you are paying proper attention. If the result of the edit was not bad, then continue with your day. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Baby name sources

Baby name sources I’m writing an article about the name Shanice, and I’m trying to figure out what it means. Different sources are saying different things— how do I figure out which source can be trusted or not? Helen (let’s talk) 16:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

If you believe the sources to be equally reliable, then perhaps it’s OK to add content that reflects what both of them say. If one isn’t reliable than it probably has zero value and it shouldn’t be used. I don’t know which types sources of sources are generally consider reliable when it comes to the meaning of certain names, but perhaps someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy can help with that. — Marchjuly (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Seamus Newham

Five months ago my biog. was rejected by Wikipedia. I enclosed three published References:

1) The Abbey Theatre Archive. 2) RTE Archive: the Photographic Section  3) Playography Ireland.

1) For instance, The Abbey Theatre Archive has recorded every artist, designer, director etc. since the theatre was launched over a hundred years ago. If you simply type my name into the archive, you will find that I have performed in approx. 35 productions between 1967 - 1974.

2) In the RTE Archive: the Photographic Section, there are photos of me from four different television drama's/programme's.

3) And my name crops up in plays in Playgraphy Ireland.

If those published accounts are not acceptable with Wikipedia. Fine. You can delete my biog. if you are so inclined. I am not going to lose a nights sleep over this.

Thank you,

Seamus Newham Seamus Newham (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Seamus Newham Your attempt at autobiography Draft:Seamus Newham was declined (not Rejected, which is harsher) in January because it had lots of content that was not referenced, plus the attempt you made to provide references was not properly formatted. The declining reviewer suggested possible next steps. Because the draft has had no edits since then, it is scheduled for automatic deletion - hence the notice you got on your Talk page. The question of whether you are notable by Wikipedia criteria is unanswered because the draft is inadequate. Wikipedia discourages attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO), but does not prohibit. Your choice: let it go, or try to fix it. Be aware that listing your accomplishments does not reach what Wikipedia considers notability. There has to be references to published articles about you and your career. David notMD (talk) 14:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I will also add that Wikipedia isn’t a blog; so, if you’re looking for something that you can edit like a blog, then maybe one of the sites listed here will better suit your needs. — Marchjuly (talk) 16:37, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Footnotes

On several pages, I notice that the same footnote reference number appears more than once. For example, there may be a [1] then [2] then [1] again. This is confusing to me. Is this an error or just a way of referencing the same source in another part of the article? Thanks.Attu43 (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC) Attu43 (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Attu43. That kind of thing is confusing perhaps, but it’s also quite common. You should find the reason why this happens in WP:REFNAME. When you see this kind of thing, it basically means the same citation is being cited multiple times throughout the article. This could be done by providing a fully formatted citation each time it’s used, but that’s a bit redundant; so, there’s a way to format the citation so the the full citation is only provided once and the subsequent uses of the citation direct back to the first use. — Marchjuly (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Another newbie question

I know in regular citation that when you use the same citation for two different things, you use "Ibid." But WP:IBID says not to, I'm not sure why exactly, and WP:DUPCITES talks about duplicate citations but I'm not really sure what it's saying. To make a long story short, is there a "ref /ref" type of code that I can use that does what "Ibid." does?

This might be easier: At the horror author/publisher Tim Lucas, I've got a lot of duplicates. If anyone has time to take a look and combine just two of them for me, then I'll have a model of the code that I can use. Thank you! TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I was nosing around, trying to learn, there are like a thousand pages of things, and I saw https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Dealing_with_single-purpose_accounts. I just want to say I'm planning to work on many other horror-related articles and I've only been "getting my feet wet" at one article before moving on to others. In fact, I will go to a different article in the next day or two. TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

P.S., my name "TheHorror TheHorror" keep coming up in red. How do I fix that? And is there any way to change it to "The Horror, The Horror"? TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheHorror TheHorror: Welcome to the Teahouse! To answer your first question, you are going to want to learn about named references, which allow you to re-use a citation more than once. Example code is provided at the link given. To answer your postscript, a redlinked username means that a userpage hasn't been created. Editing and saving any changes you make to it will turn the link blue. The band-aid solution to changing your username would be to change your sig to read The Horror, The Horror at Preferences → User profile → Signature (and please see WP:SIGLINK to know which links are necessary), but if people want to ping you they would still have to use TheHorror TheHorror. Otherwise, you can request a name change (link is an information page). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheHorror TheHorror I've fixed two identical references so it only appears as on (currently ref [46]). Many of the references could be improved, and I'd always advise trying the autofill function when you click the Cite button when editing and pasting in the article url. It fills what it can for you, and you can do the rest. The 'Rondo Award' website looks incredibly amateurish, so I've no idea how worthy it is as a source - but that's another matter entirely. PS, I have fixed your redlink issue by adding a line of text for you to alter. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Someone else recommended autofill but I was having trouble finding that "Cite" button. I see it now. Thanks for adding the line of text to my signature and I will look at that page now. The Rondo Awards are rough-edged but they've been around 18 years and horror fandom takes them very seriously. I think I'll work on that page next and add "notability" supporting citations. Guillermo del Toro acknowledges their importance for example. It's great how how helpful and welcoming people are! TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 13:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

One more question, about "This article needs additional citations for verification."

I've added many references to Tim Lucas. There are now 46, more if you count duplicate references. (Thank you, Nick Moyes for showing me how to combine duplicates!) According to Help:Maintenance template removal, I think I have addressed the problem (except for one paragraph, which I am working on). Is it okay to remove "This article needs additional citations for verification."? TheHorror TheHorror (talk) 13:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheHorror TheHorror: If you feel that the problem has been addressed, you are welcome to remove the template yourself. If someone disagrees they'll add it back in, at which point (if you're still watching the page) you can start a discussion on the article's talk page as to why they've done so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Multiple stub

Is putting multiple stub templates allowed? Like what I did on Yannick Guillochon? Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's entirely fine, just don't put too many - they should be related to the subject's main notability. Vukky, a real human 👀 (talk to me!) 18:59, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

notability

I want to write an article/biography on a singer that just passed away. He passed at 73 years old in 2020. So obviously when he was in his prime there was no internet. He recorded several CDs and performed many years in many concerts with a lot of the greats that have also passed. Are his CDs enough for notability? Ramirez Familia (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ramirez Familia: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. Check out WP:NMUSIC for the guidelines. Sources don't need to be online. Also, please note, accounts cannot be shared, as might be implied by your username. RudolfRed (talk) 19:10, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ramirez Familia. The existence of CDs is not evidence of notability. Professional reviews of those CDs would be helpful, as would independent obituaries (not family written). As for your mention of the internet, it is not necessary that reliable sources be available online. Just cite the complete bibliographic details of offline sources that you use. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:13, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Strange user contribution pattern

I came across a user who keeps changing the end date of television shows from "present" to a date in a foreign language. The television shows are from India, but the user keeps adding information in Spanish. I'm having trouble understanding the intent of the user. Anyone have thoughts? [5] Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC) Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cheerful Squirrel: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for catching that. I think the IP editor is replacing them based on announced start and end dates, but I've reverted them as a reliable source doesn't appear to be provided for any of them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

How to find a image from Uploads

 Courtesy link: Adhiti Menon

Hi,

I created a article of an Indian Actress. But I am not able to upload a image file. Then I understand I need to be a active member for more than 10 days. Can you please help me how to find a image is uploaded in Wikipedia or not Paavamjinn (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Paavamjinn, Well it is unlikely that a free image of her exists. Wikipedia requires that images be "free use", WP:FREEUSE, i.e. anyone can use them for any reason. The vast majority of photos are not free, and are instead strictly copyrighted. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Collaborative writing/editing.

My State Assembly Member's office offered to help write the Wikipedia page for Metro Theater (New York). How can I share the page I have started with them?

--enniferj Enniferj (talk) 19:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Enniferj/Metro_Theater_(New_York)

@Enniferj: Yes, that is fine. The people in the office will each need to edit from their own accounts, shared accounts are not allowed. And if there is any COI or paid editing, that must be disclosed (same as you have done, thank you.). RudolfRed (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding a manual citation for a consensus document

I was interested to enhance the sourcing in a couple of the ECG articles by adding references to consensus guideline documents, which Wikipedia recommends as a high quality source (as do cardiologists :) ).

The citation tool seems to struggle with these URLs perhaps because they have a lot of authors.

So I manually wrote up one citation, stashed it in my sandbox and added it to this article.

I'd be grateful if anyone could look this edit over, and offer any pointers. My questions are:

• is there any reason this is not a good choice of citation?
• have I made the raw edit text too hard to read with this big citation?
• have I chosen the authors to include appropriately?

If it looks good then in future I think it would be nice to fill out some of the ECG articles with references to the consensus guideline documents where appropriate.

Edinburghpotsdam (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC) Edinburghpotsdam (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Edinburghpotsdam: You might want to ask at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine RudolfRed (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Will do, thank you.

Med journal refs use initials for first and second name, not full names. You were correct in including all authors and using a display-authors=5. There is no need to have a carriage return after each name. Or, for journal articles, an access date. David notMD (talk) 20:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Lara Klart Laritza Párraga

 Laraklart1 (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

A note on your Talk page explains how to approach editing Laritza Párraga, given that you claim the article is about you. David notMD (talk) 21:28, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Second opinion

I've observed a large number of IP addresses making vandalism according to the same pattern [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. I think one person is somehow controlling a bunch of different IPs. I posted at ANI but can't get people to pay heed, probably because I'm a new user. But I do have relevant experience with computers and such. Would someone with more experience be willing to look at this, and gently scold me if I'm off-base, but maybe vouch for me if I'm not? Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 01:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 01:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cheerful Squirrel: The reply to your post at ANI has nothing to do with you being a new user, but rather pointing you to the correct venue to report vandalism. Also, there has been some question raised as to whether all the edits are actually vandalism. You may want to slow down and make sure that the updates are not correct and not done in good faith. Good faith edits, even if incorrect, are not vandalism. Also, please use edit summaries with your edits, including reverts. RudolfRed (talk) 01:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

oops. Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 02:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

My article is being proposed for deletion

My article is being proposed for deletion An article I created, Cole Schwindt, has received a proposal for deletion earlier today. It’s because the nominator believes that he is not notable enough for an article. I understand I have the right to object to this proposal and remove the proposal (and I sort of want to), but I read through the criteria and the editor is right. He probably isn’t notable yet. But I feel as if he will be next hockey season, since he’s got this deal with the Panthers. What should I do? Helen (let’s talk) 01:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helen. If you are the only significant author, then feel free to move the article to draft space or to a sandbox page in your userspace. When he meets WP:NHOCKEY, you can move it back immediately. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HelenDegenerate. I went ahead and moved the article to draft space for you. I'll leave you a more detailed message about it, but you'll find it at Draft:Cole Schwindt. When it's ready to publish, as Cullen said, it can be moved back to the main space easily enough. OhKayeSierra (talk) 04:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Citing NYT City Blog

Hello. How are you? I am spending the day writing an article about the Metro Theater (New York). I went ahead and moved the draft to article. I hope that wasn't wrong. My question is regarding the use of the NYT City Blog in the article. Is that wrong? Any suggestions about any part of the article are welcome. Metro_Theater_(New_York) Thank you!

--enniferj Enniferj (talk) 00:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Enniferj. While most blogs are not considered reliable sources, there are some exceptions. Among them are blogs affiliated with reliable journalistic sources, such as the New York Times. Moving the draft to article is OK. The Articles for Creation process is optional. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I fixed the link. RudolfRed (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

After Enniferj moved it to article space, it was returned to draft. It wasn't really ready for article space; I'm cleaning it up and it should be ready shortly. --- Possibly ☎ 03:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Done: Metro Theater (New York). Enniferj, if you are in New York City, a really useful thing would be to take some pictures of the exterior of the theater and upload them to Wikimedia Commons. Commons does not currently have a (free) good shot of the exterior that could be used in the article. A wide shot form across the street would be good. --- Possibly ☎ 04:23, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@User:Dawit S Gondaria/Bahru Kegne how to do infobox correctly

Hello, i'm working on a article that i might submit for draft, somehow i can't get the infobox right. Can someone fix it, so i learn from the diff? Thanks Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: You forgot a square bracket after a link and nested two links ([[Folk music|Traditional [[Amharic]] folk music]), which is why it didn't work. Also note that when adding an image to an infobox, |image= should only contain the file name and it should not be wrapped between two brackets. If you want to add a caption to the image, it should go in the |caption= parameter. Kleinpecan (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kleinpecan Thanks a lot! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 04:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Copyright Violations

I believe the article Karel Balcar includes copyright violations from the 1999 edition of Art Today, with much of the content found in "Work" being a complete or partial transposition. Unfortunately, I have been unable to access the 1999 edition to confirm this, and so am unsure of how to proceed; can anyone advise, and if they have access to the 1999 edition, compare the content? BilledMammal (talk) 05:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, BilledMammal. You might ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request; someone there should be able to help you. -- Hoary (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How to Edit a Name

 Courtesy link: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders: Making the Team

On the Wiki sight for DCC, they have a young lady listed as Chandi McCright (an actress) when it should be Chandi Dayle. How can that be corrected? 2603:8081:7301:A78D:4D87:4A30:9328:6AB4 (talk) 07:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed it. The next time you see something wrong in an article, be bold and fix it yourself. Kleinpecan (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

i think i want out.

Dear Wikipedia, how do I delete my account? Admins are attacking me with harsh rules maybe to back their private opinionated interpretations. I am new here and want to help, but this interface is very complex, some fake and smear stuff is locked, while the interface is too cryptic and proclamation driven, and i think i want out. EditorOnTruth (talk) 05:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@EditorOnTruth: Welcome to the Teahouse. Accounts can't be deleted as edits have to be attributed to them (you could try and ask for a courtesy vanishing to scramble the username). You can abandon it and refrain from editing Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:14, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Tenryuu, all this seems quite saddening particularly on World Refugee Day. (talk) 06:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

As you have made a total of just four edits aside to those you have made in this section of this page, please don't ask for "courtesy vanishing". If you don't like to edit Wikipedia (for any reason), simply stop editing Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 06:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@EditorOnTruth: I'm sorry to hear this. I don't see where you have been "attacked with harsh rules"; one editor brought up what seems to be copyright violations, which we must take seriously for legal reasons. Looking at your username, and your statement "some fake and smear stuff is locked", you may not realize that Wikipedia does not deal in truth, as what is "true" is in the eye of the beholder; Wikipedia deals in what can be verified, see WP:TRUTH. If you are only interested in telling what you percieve to be the truth here, it will indeed be difficult for you, as Wikipedia is a collaboratie environment where people of all different backgrounds and views work together to arrive at a consensus as to what articles should say, based on summarizing what independent reliable sources say. If a Wikipedia article does not summarize the given sources accurately, or there are sources missing and the article is protected("locked"), please make an edit request on the article talk page detailing the nature of the errors. If the sources are summarized accurately, but you just don't like what the sources say, you will need to take that up with the sources. 331dot (talk) 09:06, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Which citation template to use for a German state law?

There is a template for {{tl:Cite German law}} (How do I write the correct link to that template?), but this only applies to federal law and refers to the corresponding web site of federal Ministry of Justice. The individual German states each have their own online portals. What template should I use for a law from an individual state (in my case, Berlin)? Loris Bennett (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Loris Bennett. Template:Cite act is more generic and may meet your needs better than Template: Cite German law. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I have gone with this. Loris Bennett (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Loris Bennett: you can use {{t|Cite German law}} to produce {{Cite German law}} which links to a template. RudolfRed (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

As I wrote, {{Cite German law}} is only for federal law and links to a web site which has only federal laws, whereas the law I need to refer to is a Berlin state law. However, {{Cite act}} seems to be OK. Loris Bennett (talk) 12:38, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Like -- YavBav09 (talk) 11:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Foreign-language sources on the English-language wikipedia

Should there be an article in the English-language wikipedia if all the sources indicating that the importance criteria are met are written in another language? VeekaO (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

VeekaO Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be in English per policy(please read). It helps, but it is not required. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg

Could you please remove the word Draft: from the Draft: Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg page. Wname1 (talk) 11:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Wname1, Draft:Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg in its current state is not acceptable as an article. Its most serious problem is that it cites no sources (though it does list some). Maproom (talk) 12:07, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Wname1 I've added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for a review by another editor who has experience in draft reviews. However, as Maproom correctly notes, it would not be accepted if you were to submit it now. Please read Your First Article to learn more about what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 12:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

so, what is this all about?

what types of question can we ask and why will we ask questions here?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ヤサース (talk • contribs)

ヤサース Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new or inexperienced users to ask questions about using Wikipedia, and it is meant to be a friendly and welcoming place. Questions may also be asked at the Help Desk, though that is intended for all users of all experience levels. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I mention a rumour about the subject?

Please see this page KALI (electron accelerator)#Overview The subject is rumoured to be a directed energy weapon but there aren't any sources I could find that cover this. The previous reference was a badly written blogesque website. Some Indian news websites have articles on this but they look like they just copied all of their article from that blog and the previous version of this page itself! Infact, the blog even attributes some lines in it to wikipedia. My question is should I add add references from these websites or look for something else? Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 10:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Lone Warrior 007 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. None of what you describe here would be suitable as reliable sources. Blogs are generally not considered reliable sources as they usually lack editorial control and fact checking; Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for other Wikipedia articles (even if it is a third party doing so). 331dot (talk) 10:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Rumours in general are almost never acceptable. If a source copies or references information from a blog or Wikipedia then it is not reliable. Wikipedia is for hard facts (and significant opinions) and including rumours lowers our reputation and reliability. — Bilorv (talk) 10:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

331dot So, should I remove all of this directed energy weapon stuff? Also, the other reference (1) isn't opening and most pages on KALI on the (government) BARC website have the same issue, if I remove all the things which don't have a proper reference, the whole applications section would need to be deleted so I was unsure if I should do this.

Lone Warrior 007 Yes, if the information is poorly sourced, it should be removed. 331dot (talk) 12:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

331dot Oh, okay, will do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lone Warrior 007 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia editing

I was wondering about how many people edit things on wikipedia a day? Mtbuser name (talk) 18:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps checking out Wikipedia:Statistics could answer your question. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I found this [11] which has a collection of differents stats for the English Wikipedia. I could find-per day averages, but last month there were 43000 different editors who made at least 5 edits. RudolfRed (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Follow up question: does anyone know if "active editor" count is only humans or if it includes bots? There is a another chart that shows total human user edits, but it is not clear to me what is included in "active editor" counts. RudolfRed (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: When I go to the link you provided, then click on the title "Edits", then click "Active editors" and click "More info about this metric", I get to meta:Research:Wikistats_metrics/Active_editors, which defines it as "The count of registered, non-bot editors with five or more edits in a given month, including on redirect pages." GoingBatty (talk) 05:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Concern

Hello Community, I would like to bring your attention to some difficulties I am facing. The award schemes Vodafone Ghana Music Awards and 3Music Awards are two major award ceremonies held annually in Ghana. Nominees and winners of these awards per criteria 8 of WP:MUSIC qualify to have an article on Wikipedia per the rules. This misunderstanding by community members has led to the deletion of several articles written by dedicated contributors including Ghanaian music icon Stay Jay. My recent contribution is on creating a page for Nanky is also an award winner (refer to https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/entertainment/Nanky-wins-VGMA22-Unsung-Initiative-1290469 ) but it was deleted for not been notable. Please lets address this, its becoming a major problem --Richloveburner (talk) 13:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Richloveburner Please note that the policy you linked states that "the article itself must document notability through the use of reliable sources, and no criterion listed in this page confers an exemption from having to reliably source the article just because passage of the criterion has been claimed." (my bolding)--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Richloveburner, note that the article on Stay Jay was not deleted for notability concerns but rather because the article was unambiguously promotional. (See criterion G11 for speedy deletion) To avoid such problems, I suggest that you first write draft articles for these artists where you can take the time to properly source the articles. Pichpich (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Shantavira Kindly note that I am not basing my facts on just that, there are other reliable sources that confirms notablity.

Example:

• https://www.ghanamusic.com/news/top-stories/2021/03/22/nanky-bags-gmaa-global-best-video-of-the-year-tops-twitter-trends-with-confusion/
• https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/entertainment/Lets-make-Highlife-a-global-genre-like-Nigeria-s-Afrobeats-Nanky-1281823
• https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/entertainment/Nanky-partners-Sultan-Incorporation-to-thrill-patrons-at-Kids-Day-Out-in-Tema-1153691
• https://www.graphic.com.gh/entertainment/music/support-good-music-nanky-tells-djs.html
• https://www.modernghana.com/entertainment/62141/nanky-gets-big-favour-from-sarkodie.html
• https://www.pulse.com.gh/entertainment/music/its-about-time-we-do-with-highlife-what-nigeria-has-done-with-afrobeats-singer-nanky/rb3t52p

Richloveburner (talk) 16:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Info box

I would like to add the same “info box” as their is on the Arctic Council wiki to the right. How do I do that? PolarRegion (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@PolarRegion: Could you give us a link to the article that has an infobox, a link to the article where you want it, and (if you know) whether or not you're using VisualEditor? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, PolarRegion. Please see Template:Infobox organization. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

About administrators

I want to ask that, what should we editors do when a Wikipedia:Administrators is not following the Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view policy, and when someone correct that edit he revert it and threat editor of blocking? and also when Wikipedia:Administrators add something unnecessary to page and we try to remove it, they revert our edits then what should we editors do? Achhainsaan (talk) 16:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Just a heads up that the above comment is from a 'new' account that has been reverting (and making odd claims of 'Non constructive edits') on an article that is one of several Indian election articles that have recently been the focus of sockpuppetry and disruptive editing. The message is quite similar to this one from a now-blocked editor. Cheers, Number 57 16:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I have blocked the obvious sockpuppet. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the connection! I totally forgot about the earlier editor! @Cullen328 Would you also mind protecting the page? Some of the Indian election articles are protected from Atharv Bakshi socks. -- DaxServer (talk) 17:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

DaxServer, this sockpuppet had edited about five articles. If you think any of them need to be protected, please ask at Requests for page protection. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:23, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Notable Alumni in Universities

Hello, I am fairly new to Wikipedia and I was editing the Ateneo de Manila University article until another user removed a ton of content in the introduction and Alumni section as it was deemed WP:PROMO. The article is currently in dispute and discussions have yet to be made but edits are currently being done. I want to clarify on what falls under WP:PROMO as I was writing and editing Notable Alumni on the article as I based the format from other universities such as Harvard University, Georgetown University, Yale University, etc. where they provided a concise list of alumni in the introduction and a detailed discussion of it in their respective Alumni sections. I want to clarify what the rule is for here. I edited the Harvard University on the basis of WP:PROMO and I was told that I can't edit it out as it was important to the article. Why is it that bigger articles are allowed to discuss about their Notable Alumni while smaller articles are being flagged for it? Moving forward, I would like to ask how the Alumni Section of university articles should then be written if highlighting notable alumni is considered WP:PROMO. Thank you in advance! Codayoda (talk) 09:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I had a quick look. I am an outsider to this, so this is an outside view. I think you over-egged the pudding and made it sound too much like promotional material. For example, the fact that six billionaires have attended the university can only have one effect on the reader: to make them think "ooh, what a great place", so it's promotional but otherwise irrelevant. On the other hand, the fact that Juan Araneta attended is a simple historical fact, relating a notable institution to a notable person, so that would have been safe. But in this case it would also have been unnecessary because the page is already linked to a comprehensive list of specific alumni. It would make more sense to restrict mention of alumni on the University's main WP article to those who've had an enormous influence on the University itself, and its history (for example those who founded a department, or those who remained deeply associated with the University in the public mind). Now, you're right that the Harvard article does exactly what I've said it shouldn't, and includes a load of stuff about how many living billionaires have gone there. But two wrongs don't make a right; it's best not to retaliate by editing other pages to conform to what you've been forced to do on another page. Harvard is in any case a special case. It is already so well-known that it doesn't need promotion, and doesn't have to claim lots of billionaires in order to boost its reputation, so one could argue that its number of billionaires is a simple (but in my view rather boring) statistical fact, of no other relevance (and therefore neutral). So yes, you're right: articles on better-known Universities can, unfortunately, get away with stuff that looks bad in articles on lesser-known Universities, no matter how unfair this seems. Elemimele (talk) 11:28, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Codayoda! What you're witnessing here is that, while we have widely accepted policies and guidelines that influence our editing, how they apply to a particular situation is often a matter of interpretation, and experienced Wikipedians can and often do disagree. Personally, as someone who edits about higher education a fair amount, I think that the number of billionaires who attended an institution is a very good piece of information to include on its page (so long as it's sourced). It's an objective data point, not a subjective opinion; it's easily comparable between institutions; and it helps keep writing concise by avoiding undue focus on any one person (and individual alumni are very rarely significant enough in the context of an institution as a whole to warrant mention). But since another editor disagrees, you should discuss with Patrick Cristiano (probably at Talk:Ateneo de Manila University) to work out a solution. When crafting your argument, it doesn't actually make sense to focus much on comparisons to Harvard, since while it's a great institution, it's not actually a great Wikipedia page (I made the exact same mistake when I was a new editor). Instead, I'd look to our general guideline on college and university pages, or to one of the showcase articles for WikiProject Higher education. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:42, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

adding pictures

How can I edit a picture of my choice to a article, upload a picture? Arno Jacobs (talk) 08:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Arno Jacobs: To use pictures here in wikipedia first you have to upload them in commons(https://commons.wikimedia.org/) through upload wizard(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard). Be careful with licenses (See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing), only free images are allowed here.Siddartha897 (talk) 08:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Arno Jacobs: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I actually have to disagree with Siddartha897 in a few points here. Yes, evidently freely licensed images should go to our sister project Wikimedia Commons, which will allow them to be used not only on the english Wikipedia, but for example also in the german Wikipedia, without needing to upload it seperately. Wikimedia Commons only allows freely licensed media. If the image is explicitely not publlished under a free license or there is no evidence for a free license, we as the english Wikipedia might be able to have the image, if and only if it meets all of the non-free content criteria. Please use our upload wizard. And last but not least, if you are unsure about the licensing of an image, feel free to ask here at the Teahouse or at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:47, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks for the correction.Siddartha897 (talk) 17:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

How should I mark this phrase?

What is the best way to mark a phrase such as, “over the past ten years” to note that the reader really needs to know when that time period was? That is, was it said in 1720, 1920 or 2020? Carptrash (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Carptrash This falls foul of MOS:RELTIME, so instead of tagging it, please determine the specific years and substitute those.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Carptrash, Shantavira's answer is the best one, but if you don't have the time or resources to do that, you can tag it with {{when}}. --ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I realized that this was not good, but it is used in the lede and is not referenced so determining when it was from could be tough. I'll poke around and see if I can come up with some date (when the edit was done?) and failing than go the when route. Thanks all, Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

create article

How do I create an article? JustAUser201468 (talk) 17:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@JustAUser201468: See this guide. But please be aware that creating a new article is a hard task. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: yes but not a draft

@JustAUser201468: If it is your first article you should go through Help:Your first article, Wikipedia:Article wizard and also Help:Userspace draft, Wikipedia:Drafts. Hope it helps.Siddartha897 (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

JustAUser201468. Creating a draft is easy in the same way as writing a book is easy. You just open a file (or a notebook) and start writing words. Creating a draft that won't just be a waste of your time and effort is difficult. --ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

User created the draft Draft:Minecraft (). This is unsourced, mistitled, and would be a duplicate of Minecraft. If it were ever moved to article space it would be an immediate WP:A10, so I have listed it at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Minecraft (). Meters (talk) 18:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

create an article

Hi, i am a representative of a golf club. We would like to create a page to present the history of our club. Do we have to create an account? Does it cost anything? How do we get started. Thank you. Elaine 70.29.24.24 (talk) 18:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to tell the world about the history of your club, you should do so on social media or a website owned and operated by the club. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources state about organizations, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia has no interest in what an organization wants to say about itself. Please read conflict of interest.

That said, Wikipedia does not charge editors to create articles. There are third parties that offer Wikipedia editing services, of varying reputability and quality, but these are not endorsed by Wikipedia. Paid representatives must declare who is paying them. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Elaine. This is possible in theory, but maybe not in practice. I'm going to throw some links at you, and recommend you take the time to read them.

• WP:NORG. If you conclude "Yep, I have those sources, no problem", proceed. WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, WP:COI, WP:PAID.
• Still want to spend time on this? Then yes, you should register an account: WP:REGISTER. I recommend something like "Elaine at Name of golfclub"
• WP:YFA, WP:TUTORIAL. And no, nothing but time. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Finding the correct {{tl}}

What is the correct {{tl}} for {{subst:iusc|1={{FULLPAGENAME}}}}? ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 21:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: I think you're looking for {{tlx}}. I tried testing this code (there are nowiki tags wrapped around FULLPAGENAME, but they render weirdly when nesting nowiki): {{tlx|iusc|1{{=}}{{FULLPAGENAME}}|subst=on}}, and it appears like this: {{subst:iusc|1={{FULLPAGENAME}}}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Vandalizing

I believe this person is vandalizing multiple pages. They are constantly adding red links to the word “ Socialist philosophy”., for example this edit or this one. I’m new here and not quite sure where to put this. Thanks. ѕтєℓℓα^{♥ Talk to me ♥} 22:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I do not consider that activity vandalism. The IP editor clearly believes that an article "Socialist philosophy" should exist. However, I agree that creating red Wikilinks for multiple uses of those words is not a means to get such an article created. I left a note on the IP's Talk page, suggesting that the proper path is to first create an article by this name. Or, alternatively, Wikilink to Socialism but have it read as "socialist philosophy" in those articles. David notMD (talk) 22:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Jeremy Irons Article

The wikipedia article located at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Jeremy_Irons does not include his 2013 film Beautiful Creatures. Can you please correct/edit this article to reflect the necessary information on it? the wikipedia article located at https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Beautiful_Creatures_(2013_film) shows on the right side him listed as a cast member. can you please correct the necessary article about Jeremy Irons to show the change?

Welcome to the Teahouse. Jeremy Irons is not protected, so you can make the change yourself. Otherwise, you can ask on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful Creatures is listed in Jeremy Irons on stage and screen. It's an editorial decision whether the role is significant enough for his main biography. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Help with template positioning

Hello, I'm new to using templates. I was trying to use the Historical populations template to display the population history of Neustadt an der Donau, and even though I edited the source of the population section specifically the chart appeared at the bottom of the page below the external links section. How do I make sure the templates I use appear where I want them to? Thanks Normal Name (talk) 00:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Normal Name. Different things can push down content. It didn't happen because it was a template. I have used {{Stack}}.[12] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Is this an appropriate Wikipedia entry? - An old toy company

Should this become a wikipedia entry? Question from a Wikipedia newbie. I worked for a company in the 1970s. They were established sometime in the 1950s and closed sometime in the 1970s. From personal experience and also from web searches, I know quite a bit about the company.

Some of their products still exist on ebay and other sellers. Some of their advertisements still exist in internet archives. But it was a relatively small company, never bigger than 20 employees. This company was never controversial or political. They were basically a toy maker.

Would it be appropriate for me to create a wikipedia entry for this company? Would it be appropriate for me to include my first-hand knowledge that can't be verified anywhere else?

If I don't, I fear that their history will be forever lost. There may not be any social or technical value in their history, so it is not clear that this is a concern for anyone.

Thank you for your help. 2601:18D:8700:3A9:18CF:8A2D:53BE:DAD3 (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

In theory, you could create an article about the company, if and only if the company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company, even if you have what we call a conflict of interest. However, adding "first-hand knowledge" that can't be verified is strictly forbidden. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! It's not possible to know for sure whether or not the company would warrant a page based on the info you've given above. The main consideration is how much press coverage the company received, not its age or size or products. The relevant guideline is at WP:NORG; if you find enough coverage (maybe at Newspapers.com), you could try creating the entry via the WP:Article Wizard (you'd want to disclose your conflict of interest if you do so, since you worked there). However, Wikipedia doesn't allow you to include personal knowledge that can't be referenced to reliable third-party sources, as that is considered original research and is not possible for us to verify. If you don't find substantial news coverage, you'll probably want to share your research elsewhere. If you publish it in a reliable source, it's possible it'll make its way back onto Wikipedia at some point. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor, welcome to Wikipedia! You forgot to mention the name of the company you were talking about. Howver, based on what you wrote, such an article would not be appropriate for Wikipedia because:

1. Subjects of Wikipedia articles should be notable. In this case, the most appropraite requirements are described in Notability (organizations and companies). Company which was "never bigger than 20 employees" might not be notable by Wikipedia standards, as others suggested.
2. Articles should be written or reviewed by non-affiliated people, because past employees might have conflict of interest. You would need to disclose COI and wait for article reviews. As a point of reference, new article drafts can await reviews for multiple months.
3. Your "first-hand knowledge that can't be verified anywhere else" is not suitable for Wikipedia article.
4. Wikipedia articles are by definition ammendable so once you write an article on Wikipedia, the article you authored no longer belongs to you. All unverified content is subject to be questioned and (eventually) removed. Article tone can change significantly as other editors find other reliable sources and contribute to the article.

Please consider writing down and publishing this information somewhere else. If you want this information to be accessible online, there is plenty of hosting providers for personal websites and blogs. Wikipedia is not a personal blog. If you need tips on where else to publish your work, I could suggest a place based on your needs. Places that come to mind are: Blogger (service), Medium (website), GitHub Pages. Anton.bersh (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Because you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest albeit an antique one, the correct route to consider creating such an article would be to draft it using the wizard at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. This means it can be reviewed by experienced editors to seek to ensure that it meets out standards.

I think, though, I would look at the discouragement that you have received. This defunct company has to be really special to warrant an article Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 19:01, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@2601:18D:8700:3A9:18CF:8A2D:53BE:DAD3: what was the name of the company? --- Possibly ☎ 03:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Non-free References

I was curious what Wikipedia's guidelines are concerning non-free sources. I know that physical newspapers are allowed, but I'm unsure how to edit an article or even determine an article's notability if I can't access the source anywhere online. I understand that books are allowed if they are easily accessible at libraries, but what about books that aren't at most libraries (what determines whether it's "easily accessible" at most libraries) and what about content behind a paywall? TipsyElephant (talk) 00:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TipsyElephant! WP:SOURCEACCESS may be helpful to you. You should probably have access to the source if you're adding information from it, but it doesn't need to be easily accessible to everyone. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 01:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant. You should be able to read a source if you want to cite it in article, but others don't need to be able to read the source you cite. As long as the source is reliable, used in proper context and is published and accessable by someone, then it should be OK to use. Of course, it would be great if a cited source is easily accessible to anyone who wants to see it whenever they want to see it (i.e. available online), but that's not always the case and that doesn't make the source any less reliable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:39, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: Death Threat

Jacinda received death threats on May 27th and 28th 2021. A 34-year-old male was charged in relation to these threats as well as failing to provide access to his cellphone on June 4th when requested to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canty2005 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

References

Hi Canty2005 If you would like to make an edit request to the article Jacinda Ardern, then the place to do that would be at Talk:Jacinda Ardern. We cannot act on any such request here at the Teahouse. If you do decide to make a request, please make sure to carefully read through the instructions on at Wikipedia:Edit request and Template:Request edit to ensure that you're request in properly formatted, etc. It's also helpful if you explain how whatever you're requesting should be incorporated into the article. If you want to add new content, state what you want to add and where you want to add it. If you want to remove existing content, state what you want to remove and why. If you want to modify existing content, state what you want to modify and why. If your request is too vague (even if you provide some links to websites), then it's likely going to be declined because the reviewer is not going to try and guess what you want done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly am a new wikieditor and did read the Wiki edit request and template request as the page is semi-protected. To be honest I also tried to find the right place in talk to suggest the edit and it was not clear and did a lot of searching trying to find the appropriate process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canty2005 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

That's OK Canty2005. Everyone makes mistakes. The template you were trying to use only works on talk pages, and the best place to use it will be at Talk:Jacinda Ardern. So, review the pages I linked to above, and try to sort out what you want to request. When you're ready to make your request, go to Talk:Jacinda Ardern and click on "New section" near the top of the page; this will open a new window where you can make your request. Follow the instructions on the templates page and make sure you WP:SIGN your post. When you think everything is ready, click on "Show preview" to check. If everything looks good, click on "Publish changes".

Here are some other things that can help make edit requests easier to answer. If you want to add links to your request in support, you don't really need to format them as references; you can format them as explained here. Try not to request that the entire article be changed in one big request because edit requests that ask for too much to be done often are passed over or declined outright. Try to be as clear as possible with your request; don't just say "add this to the article", but say exactly where it should be added. Make sure you request is properly supported with links to reliable sources; don't expect the editor reviewing your request to go searching the Internet to verify what you want changed. Be patient because there are almost always a lot more requests than there are editors reviewing them; your request will be added to a queue and someone will eventually get to it, but it may just take time. So, don't continue to pepper the talk page with the same request over and over again thinking that will increase the chances of someone responding sooner. Similarly, if your request is declined, don't just keep making it over and over again in the hope that someone may accept it ust to get you to go away. Those last two things won't get your request answered, but they might end up getting you a warning and even possibly a block from a Wikipedia administrator. Good luck to you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

What should I do with editor that keep overciting?

I have warned the editor previously on multiple occassion for constantly overciting, however editor doesn't seem to bother and keep adding back unnecessary repeating source which are reporting the same thing. In addition, to using boilerplate warning, I have communicated using custom message on the editor talk page of which editor only replied once and ignored further message. Which venue is the correct place, I should bring this up on? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: Welcome to the Teahouse. Since you've warned this user on multiple occasions, it is possible to take it to the administrator's noticeboard for incidents and ask for admin intervention. Just be sure to notify the editor in question on their talk page that a report has been filed on them at the ANI (the {{subst:ANI-notice}} template is generally used), and provide the relevant diffs for admin evaluation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Hi Tenryuu, understood. Thanks you for the instructions. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Reference of Ancestry tree

If I make a person's ancestry tree using informations from wikipedia itself, then what reference should I mention and how? Mehenaz Tabassoom (talk) 06:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tabassoom: You generally don’t want to use Wikipedia as a source for itself, but if you think about it, what you’re really doing is using the sources for Wikipedia articles as sources. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mehenaz Tabassoom. You cannot use one Wikipedia article as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Wikipedia:Verifiability is the relevant policy and WP:CIRCULAR is the shortcut to the specific policy language. However, that first Wikipedia article may help you find appropriate references, but you must read them in order to cite them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Is this Non-Admin-Closure correct?

Hi Everyone, Can you please check this afd? Is it correctly closed?

Note: I want to disclose that i don't have any personal issue with the subject or its creator. I take this conversation here as this afd is closed by a non-admin. And there are few Keep Votes either from ip address or newly created accounts. GermanKity (talk) 06:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, GermanKity. Opinions from IP editors or new accounts are perfectly valid if they are grounded in policies and guidelines. So that is not a reason to object to the close. On the other hand, the relevant guideline says "Close calls and controversial decisions are better left to admins." So, this is kind of a borderline case. I do not think that the close should be challenged but I would advise the editor to let administrators close this kind of AfD discussion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, Thank You for your well explanation. GermanKity (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Moving my Draft to mainspace

Hello, everyone!

So, I wrote an article, and it's in my draftspace. How do I move it to the mainspace? Do I just pick the option to move it? Because yesterday another user moved my article back to the draftspace and now I am lost. He said I needed more citations, but I have used all the sources I found regarding the subject matter. I need directions, and I hope someone here can answer me.

Thank you! Rizky Novalini (talk) 07:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rizky Novalini: Welcome to the Teahouse, I believe you're referring to this draft Draft:Michelle Edgina Axille. I have added the submission template at the top, once you're ready, click the "Submit draft for review" button. Draft reviewing process would take 1 day to 5 months or longer. We don't have control on how fast the draft get reviewed. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Rizky Novalini, in addition to referencing, there's plenty of other work to be done here. Quote: Michelle Edgina Axille (born May 29, 2006) is an Indonesian Figure Skater, known for her extraordinary talents [...]. Her Figure Skating journey began in 2006, and has gone through a series of seasons. She has experienced training under world renowned coaches such as Michael Hopfes and Julian Yee. "Her figure skating journey began in [year]" looks to me like a flowery way of saying that she started figure skating in [year]; but if this is what it means, then she started figure skating in her first year of life, which would indeed show a truly extraordinary talent. But we don't say that people are known for their extraordinary talents, unless perhaps we can cite reliable, independent, published sources saying that these talents are extraordinary. Also, we don't say that people are renowned, even if they are renowned. -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Uploading non-free images

Several images of mine have just been deleted on commons. I have seen The Burning Giraffe, (which is in the same museum as the other images), actually has an image on Wikipedia, so I thought I could upload them as well. Now I noticed that The burning giraffe is only uploaded on wikipedia, but not commons. I would like to be sure that if I upload them again, I won't cause disruption to the project. The images in question were used on the 1967 Basel Picasso paintings purchase referendum article and the images have either been bought with tax money released through a majority vote of the citizen of Basel, or have been donated by Pablo Picasso specifically to the youth of Basel which manifested in the streets of Basel for the purchase of the paintings. Is this enough to qualify for the fair use criteria or not? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Paradise Chronicle. Copyright can be very complicated but I will try to give you some general guidelines. Works such as paintings over 95 years old are very rarely protected by copyright and are usually in the public domain. So, high resolution images of those paintings can be uploaded to Commons for use anywhere by anyone. Picasso's early works exhibited in 1925 or before are in that category. Burning Giraffe, on the other hand, was painted by Dali in 1937 and so images of it are not yet in the public domain. Because it is a notable painting and there is a Wikipedia article about it that contains critical commentary, we can use a low resolution image of it in that article only, under WP:NFCI if all the conditions are met. The fact that the people of Basel voted to spend money to buy the paintings or that Picasso donated a painting are of no relevance. When an artist sells or donates a physical painting, in most cases, they are not selling the copyright to that painting, which they retain. The most common exception is illustration art or commercial art for advertising purposes, which is considered "work for hire", and the artist often assigns the copyright to some business in writing in exchange for money. So, unless Picasso formally sold or gave away his copyright in writing, his estate retains the copyright to his post-1925 work. His 1926 work enters the public domain next January 1. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, its is complicated apparently. I'll focus on the older images in the future.:)Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!

Hi! I hope I can make a request having an entry for Vance Larena. he belongs to the same management with Kelvin Miranda and Jane De Leon. Thanks! Beautyscars (talk) 09:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Beautyscars Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A subject merits an article if they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. It doesn't matter if others in their field or even in their same group/team merit articles- it depends on the sources.

You can make a request at Requested Articles, but the backlog there is so severe any request you make might not be acted on for a long time, if ever. The best way to see an article created is to do it yourself- but be advised that successfully creating a new article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and it's good to gain experience editing existing article first, as well as using the new user tutorial, before attempting it. Experience editing existing articles will help you get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. If you dive right in to creating articles, you could experience disappointment and other hurt feelings as your work is mercilessly edited and even deleted by others while you don't fully understand what is happening. Please take the time to learn more first. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Protecting a Page

Will anyone please (on behalf of me) lock the pages Deewana (1992 film) and Divya Bharti filmography to protect them from vandalism?

Sahajitbro (talk) 09:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

hi Sahajitbro and welcome to the teahouse! unfortunately, pages shan't be protected unless active vandalism is going on, as this prevents possibly good IP or newly registered users from helping out with the article. if vandalism has occured and may still be occuring, a semi protection may be necessary to only allow auto/confirmed and up. if that does occur, please report it in Requests for page protection (search bar shortcut WP:RFPP) so admins may lock the page to prevent vandalism.   melecie   t 10:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The proper place to request protection is Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. You will need to show any recent disruptive edits that happened on those articles—pages are protected only when other measures such as blocks failed to prevent disruption, and not because they might possibly get vandalized in some distant future. If you feel possessive about the text you have contributed to those articles, you may instead add them to your watchlist and revert nonconstructive edits as needed. Kleinpecan (talk) 10:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sahajitbro. Please read ownership of articles carefully. Wikipedia - all of Wikipedia - is a collaborative project, and articles will not be locked to the way one person wants them to be. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

How could I upload this patent?

Hello! I am planning to write an article on a Cold War tank destroyer project called TAA. The vehicle was never produced and only existed in drawings. Thus, the only way to graphically represent it in an article would be using its drawings.

There are no official blueprints of it on the internet; instead, its patent, that is based on them, does exist. It can be found here (some better quality versions also exist on other websites). Is there a way to upload the patent on Wikimedia Commons? What license should be used? Many thanks, and please ping if you reply. Kind regards, Lupishor (talk) 10:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lupishor: There is no need to upload the patent. It is freely available in the usual sources such as espace.net.[13] However, the patent does not have a "family", as far as that repository mentions, only the Romanian patent RO93506. The copyright status of patent contents in some territories, including the US is that they may be freely copied (see Copyright on the content of patents and in the context of patent prosecution). However, I have no idea whether this is the case for Romanian patents. Your more serious problem in writing an article to Wikipedia's standards will be to meet the notability guidelines. There seem to be few reliable sources that have discussed this vehicle and you must avoid any original research you personally have done. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks for the reply. The vehicle has an article on ro.wikipedia, citing some sources, so I don't think that's a problem. From what I've been told, patents are public in Romania; I haven't been able to find anything on the matter online, unfortunately, but since the patent we're talking about is freely available on espace.net, I suppose it's also okay to use it here. My question is what license and permission requirements I should use if I upload the patent files on Commons. Kind regards, Lupishor (talk) 17:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lupishor: If you want to be sure, a good place to ask about the copyright status of Romanian patents might be ro:Wikipedia:Întrebări privind drepturile de autor, which appears to be the ro.wp counterpart to en.wp's Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. (I'm not watching this page – please use {{reply to|Rummskartoffel}} on reply) – Rummskartoffel 18:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rummskartoffel: Seems like the last serious use of that page was in 2014, but I'm going to try. Thanks for your help, best wishes :) Lupishor (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lupishor: I've taken a look a the Romanian article and I'm afraid that its sources don't suggest to me that it would pass English Wikipedia's notability criteria: none are WP:Secondary, which isn't surprising given that the project to make the vehicle was abandoned. I think that the best you will be able to do is to add the drawing to the Romanian article. You can crop out the image for upload to Commons as being from a public domain patent if that is indeed their status in Romania, as it would be in the US. There is absolutely no need to upload the whole document. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks again. The only secondary source I've found, which somewhat analyses the vehicle instead of only telling raw facts about it, is this article from tanks-encyclopedia.com. Not sure if Wikipedia would consider it reliable enough to be used as an article's sole secondary source, but knowing some people who work for that site, I can confirm they definitely know their stuff when it comes to tanks; it's not just a fan forum or anything like that. Kind regards, Lupishor (talk) 12:54, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Sharon Smith-Akinsanya Page rejected due to insufficient resources - please advise

Hello, my draft page Draft:Sharon Smith-Akinsanya was rejected, but I added all resources. Were sources cited incorrectly or were the sources not complete enough?

Thanks, CarmellaGlover2 (talk) 12:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

CarmellaGlover2 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft was declined, not rejected. Declined means that it is theoretically possible it can be improved. Your draft is almost entirely sourced to press releases. Those are not acceptable for establishing notability, because they are almost always put out by the subject themselves or someone associated with them. Wikipedia articles should do more than merely tell about a person and what they do, they should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Press releases, brief mentions, routine announcements, and interviews do not establish notability. Please read Your First Article for more information. My suggestion would be that you gather three independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to give this person significant coverage and start over, just summarizing what they say about her that makes her meet the notability criteria. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Page about your own account

Is it legal to make a page about your own account? If it's illegal, what are the consequences? H0MARUP (talk) 04:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: Very strongly discouraged. See WP:AUTO. RudolfRed (talk) 04:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi H0MARUP. I'm not sure what you mean by page about your own account. Do you want to create a user page about yourself? Do you want to create a Wikipedia article about yourself? If you want to create a user page, please look at this. If you want to create an article, please look as this. It's not so much a question of whether doing either is "legal" in the sense that you'll end up in jail if you try, but any Wikipedia page that you create will need to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines and the page most likely will end up deleted if it's not. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm a foreigner so sorry for my bad expression.RudolfRed

Actually, I saw someone actually make a user page about themselves. I'm just curious because I didn't see Wikipedia as a social network to talk about your living, that's why I feel strange for someone to do that. Marchjuly — Preceding unsigned comment added by H0MARUP (talk • contribs)

"Wrong" uses of User pages, such as website host or self-article, or draft, exist until brought to attention of an Administrator who will then delete. If you see such, you can also leave a note on the Talk pages of the offenders, with the hope that they will sell-correct. David notMD (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing box border thickness

The red border line for the historic site designation box "National Historic Site of Canada" appears rather thick. Being red, it dominates every Infobox it appears in, and is akin to a warning button. It draws the eye away from even the main title. Is there a way to make the line thinner, so it's not as urgent-looking? The one that appears on the Template Talk page for "Designation" looks better. You will notice, there, that I have asked this question several times over the past four YEARS, with no reply: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Template_talk:Designation#Using_borders_instead_of_backgrounds

If the line can be made thinner, how can I do that? Thanks. Yoho2001 (talk) 07:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Yoho2001: The border line can be made thinner or thicker through some source editing. It's simple, just increase or decrease the number in border:__px (fill the number you want to get the req thickness, the thickness you need is number 2). See below for examples.

National Historic Site of Canada

National Historic Site of Canada

National Historic Site of Canada

            and so on...

I think there is no problem in the template you said. It's ok to be red and thick enough. Happy editing. 08:40, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Yoho2001: Oops! Problem in signing.Siddartha897 (talk) 08:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, @Siddartha897:. How can I find the source code to make a change (after consensus)? I have only found the template link, but not where the code is written. And if I want to insert such a box using the code you provide, here, how can I align it below a photo on the right side of a page (without an infobox)? Thanks again. Yoho2001 (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Yoho2001: I replied it on your talkpage.Siddartha897 (talk) 14:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Yoho2001: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would say that the best course of action is to start a discussion at the template's talk page, notify some of the people who have edited the template (R'n'B, Kevlar67, Aleksandr Grigoryev, Moxy, Zzyzx11, Plastikspork, MSGJ, WOSlinker and Frietjes would be good picks), and see whether there is consensus for the change. If there is, make an edit request at the template's talk page. Kleinpecan (talk) 08:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Good idea, though I started a conversation about this in 2017 on the template page. Yoho2001 (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

thank you

thank you for replying, now i understand the purpose of this page, but now that it was been i while, i have started to know Wikipedia quite a lot. But still im a newbie so can you tell me how can i join more talking pages and forums and also what the f-, hell is this sandbox thing on my top right corner. pls explain me the use of this. ty — Preceding unsigned comment added by ヤサース (talk • contribs) 13:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

hi @ヤサース! the sandbox button in the upper toolbar redirects to your personal sandbox which allows you to draft articles & practice wikicode without them being cleared after a while like in the main sandbox. happy editing!   melecie   t 13:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

There are no forums. Talk pages are for editor-to-editor communication, i.e., not chat-like. I use my Sandbox to develop content (and check my references) before copying that into articles. As noted above, some people develop draft articles in their Sandbox. Do NOT consider it as private space, as other editors can go to your User page, click on View history, and then on Contributions, to get to everything you have ever written. Also, no pasting copyright protected content into your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Note, the OP has been blocked for trying to evade a previous ban. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing Canadian people...

Hello! I'm trying to make a major edit to Canadian people by adding Dominican Canadians to the list. There's already a Dominican Canadian community in Montreal and Toronto and I just created a Dominican Canadian page right here on Wikipedia. I checked every stat on the 2016 Canadian Census to make sure it was a fact and I also made sure to link the newly created Dominican Canadian page to the Dominican diaspora page. I just need permission to be able to add the Dominican Canadian link to the Dominican Canadian page. Thank you! PhiladelphiaWanderer34 (talk) 13:16, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, PhiladelphiaWanderer34. I'm not sure I understand your question. Since there is now an article Dominican Canadians, you can create links to it on any other page you like where it would be relevant, such as within People of the Dominican Republic. Permission is not needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I note that the article Canadians is semi-protected but as you have an account with > 10 edits you will be able to edit it immediately. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Citing foreign-language news sources in English-language Wikipedia

What's the policy on citations to foreign-language press? I've been working on improving an article, and it's an international organization, so a significant portion of the relevant news is in foreign-language press outlets... It's no problem to translate them into English, but I wonder if there's relevant policy I should be aware of... Like for instance if only English-language original sources can be cited for English-language articles, or something. Thanks!  EVhotrodder (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

While English sources are preferred here, the policy allows foreign ones too. See WP:NONENG for the details, EVhotrodder. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@EVhotrodder: Welcome to the Teahouse! There is no requirement that sources must be in English (in fact, there's a sub-policy on that); they just have to be a reliable source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

The most common way of saying the guidelines is: if there's sources in English, they're preferred to similar sources in another language (e.g. if the BBC printed something in English and L'Équipe printed the same thing in French, then BBC source would be preferred). If only foreign-language sources exist for something, then it's perfectly fine to use them. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks very much to you, @Michael D. Turnbull:, @Tenryuu: and @Joseph2302:, I appreciate the guidance! EVhotrodder (talk) 16:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Problem with Article creation

I wrote this article not published yet what's wrong my article What can i do ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asadheydar1998# Asadheydar1998 (talk) 16:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Asadheydar1998: Welcome to the Teahouse. For one thing, your draft has no references to reliable sources, which is the foundation for articles. You may also want to read Your first article for more information on creating articles, and read good and featured articles to get an idea of what high-quality articles look like. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Asadheydar1998: Firstly You have written an Article in your userpage it is not a place writing articles. There is a definite process for making articles. I think you have to know many things before writing a Article. To learn basics I recommend you to go through Help:Your first article, Wikipedia:Article wizard and also Help:Userspace draft, Wikipedia:Drafts. Hope it helps.Siddartha897 (talk) 17:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Consider adding to the existing article Culture of Somalia with appropriate references rather than trying to create a separate article. David notMD (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization of video game-specific terms

Hi!

I was wondering what the standard or guideline is for capitalization of certain terms that are particular to a specific video game—terms that are not ordinarily capitalized. I am currently progressively making changes to the wiki of a childhood game I used to play that is fairly underdeveloped. The game itself capitalizes certain actions, unit types, and structures that aren't ordinarily capitalized, like Worker, Mage, Courthouse, Research, Battle Cry, and Disguised. When referencing these terms in the wiki, should I keep that capitalization, or should I spell things as they normally would be (worker, research, disguised, etc.)?

Thank you very much for any and all information and advice. Katastrophecy (talk) 18:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the game, but I suggest sticking to the Wikipedia Manual of Style rather than the ideosyncracies of the style used in the game, and use lower case. If there is any disagreement, discuss it on the article talk page.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

• I would not capitalize them either, except in quotes. There might be a discussion to be had if there's discussion of how those terms are used idiosyncratically (I'll give an example in a second), but if their meanings are straightforward, then I'd stick with the MOS, as Shantavira said.

Example of what I meant above: Let's say there two kinds of magic-using character classes; Sorcerers and Wizards. They have different strengths and weaknesses, and the two are part of some specific tactic that's notable enough to write a subsection about (like the zerg rush).

I could see where an argument could be made that capitalization is helpful in that case, but it really depends. If the article is throwing around terms like "magic-user," "mage", "wizard," "enchanter" and "sorcerer" willy nilly to refer to classes that use magic as a whole, then it might be worth doing. But that seems likely to be a rare situation. If I'm right, and the game you're working on is War Wind, then I'd just stick with the normal MOS capitalization. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

• Another thought: can you find a good Wikipedia page on another game in the same general genre? You could use it as an example, or you could look who's been editing it and who's discussing it on the Talk page and see if they have any useful input to make. Elemimele (talk) 19:48, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Katastrophecy, I agree with the previous advice, except that a brand-new editor may not be familiar with how to find good articles. It tuns out we have a decent list of video games that have met the qualifications here: Wikipedia:Good_articles/Video_games S Philbrick(Talk) 20:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Talk page content deletion

Can i delete the content on my talk section. I have done what the people told me to do so can i erase them all? Can i delete all the things in my talk page so it looks clean? Badassboy 63637 (talk) 12:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is better to archive old messages instead of deleting them, but that is not necessary. There are some things that you should not delete from your talk page—they are listed at Wikipedia:User pages § Removal of comments, notices, and warnings. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Badassboy 63637, If you check the talk pages of experienced editors, you won't find any that look "clean". I'm not sure why you would desire such a look — if anything it sends the impression that this is a newbie. S Philbrick(Talk) 20:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Tic Taw (Video Franchise)

Hi, I made an article Draft:Tic Taw (Video Franchise) but I cannot find any reliable sources (only Internet Archive, Blogger, and IMDB). I have no idea how to find another. I know this is real, as otherwise there would be no photos or links or anything. Jambalaya Hut (talk) 20:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jambalaya Hut: Possibly a case of WP:TOOSOON. If there are no RS, then it is not notable, and does not belong in Wikipedia. Not everything that is "real" is notable. RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Help making a page

Could I get assistance writing a wiki page for Marquee Insurance Group? Marqueeig (talk) 20:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Status: Draft:Marquee Insurance Group Declined three times, and User:Marqueeig blocked until effects a name change. Marqueeig also acknowledged paid, so will need to declare that on User page of the renamed account. David notMD (talk) 22:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Use of google webcache for archive links

I have come across some citations (in somewhere around 600 articles) in which a Google "webcache" url is used in the "archive-url" parameter. I'm under the impression that the Google webcache pages should not be treated as persistent (though under some conditions, they may "persist" for several years), and thus should not be used with the "archive-url" parameter.

(For an example, see Jackie Chan.)

OTOH, a webcache url could be used with the "url" parameter, preferably in conjunction with an "archive-url" parameter specifying a persistent link. Do I have this right? Fabrickator (talk) 00:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: I wouldn't use google webcache urls's for the |archive-url= parameter at all, because they are highely dynamic, and might disappear at any time when the original page gets deleted or renamed, which is not the Point of an archive. They can't be used in |url= either, because they just are another server hosting the content. Just use the original URL with an actual archive link, perhaps to the Wayback machine or another archive listed here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 04:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: I wasn't necessarily recommending the use of webcache urls, just suggesting that existing uses in |url= weren't necessarily problematic. I agree that it seems kind of strange to use a webcache url for this purpose, but if I come across an existing use of it, it's not necessarily more likely to stop working than the original url would be. Fabrickator (talk) 06:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

It turns out that in some cases, at least, the webcache urls work around the "blocker popups" (popups that prevent viewers from viewing the requested content) on some sites. In this case, an archived copy of the webcache page may be used for |archive-url= and set |url-status= to "unfit". I would probably also add {{cbignore}} because this is probably not compatible with what the bots are expecting. Fabrickator (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Does this article have a problem?

Does this article have a problem? Bandamax ItsJustdancefan (talk) 23:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ItsJustdancefan. Yes, that article has major problems. It is unreferenced so readers have no way of verifying that the information is accurate, or that the network is actually notable. The article is only three sentences long and lacks lots of information about this network. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

The Spanish version is a bit longer, but just as unsourced.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Create English version of already-existing page in an other language

If a page already exists in another language, how can an editor get approval for the creation of the English page? Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you need approval, I think you can just do a translation. Help is available Wikipedia:Translation. I hope it's Okay to do it, because I've just done one without asking! You must, however, put an acknowledgement on the edit summary when you create the page, and you must also tag the talk page that it covers a translation. There are instructions on how to do this in the page I've linked. Elemimele (talk) 14:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm actually going through that right now... one path is to create a draft stub, take it as far as you can, then tag it for translation using the Template:Expand language template, and solicit native speakers to bring as much over as possible, before you propose it for creation. EVhotrodder (talk) 14:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

But please be aware, Heartmusci678, that each Wikipedia has its own rules an policies. The existence of an article in another edition of Wikipedia does not guarantee that a translation of that article will be accepted in English Wikipedia. If its References are inadequate you will need to find better ones; and if there are not enough sources to establish notability then your translation will not be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Heartmusci678, let's say that I find a subject about which there's a long article in Japanese-language Wikipedia (which I can read, if I can be bothered), and in Korean-language Wikipedia (which I can't), and a short one within Arabic-language Wikipedia (which again I can't). The mere existence of these articles tells us nothing about the notability of the subject. If the Korean-language version comes with an array of references, this in itself means nothing to me, as I am not qualified to evaluate the references. The Japanese-language article wouldn't be at all unusual if none of its references were to reliable sources. As for use of the "Expand language" templates, I've frequently seen Template:Expand Japanese attached to Japan-related articles for which the Japanese-language versions were what I, as an experienced editor, would term crap. (I don't know whether the person who attached the template (A) has no idea how bad the nominated source material is, or (B) doesn't care how bad it is.) If a subject merits an article, then let it be created by somebody who's capable of writing a worthwhile article on the subject (or something approximating this). Creating a mere stub and expecting that others will then augment it may be a way to boost one's list of "articles created" but in my humble/haughty opinion it's lazy and rather arrogant. -- Hoary (talk) 02:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Itatic title

Please move the title of Namaste Trump to italics (like Namaste Trump), as I don't know how to do that. Thanks. Peter Ormond 💬 03:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Peter Ormond, for future reference, you're going to want to use {{italic title}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

How to know when to remove banners

Hi! I'm super new to Wikipedia and I was hoping for some guidance. I began editing a page that has warning banners saying it is written like an advertisement and a press release/news article. The page is Venturing.

I do unfortunately come from a place of bias, as I am involved with the organization that this page is about. Is there anyone who would be willing to let me know if my edits adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines? I want to remove the banners if possible, but only if I have really fixed the problem.

If nobody is willing to review the page, can anyone give me some pointers in removing all bias from the page?

Thanks! HNAUser (talk) 03:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HNAUser. That article is in very poor condition and you should not remove those tags. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable sources that are completely independent of the topic say about the topic. The current version of the article is based entirely on things published by the Boy Scouts of America. That is the wrong way to write an article, so your task should be to find reliable sources completely independent of the Boy Scouts that devote significant coverage to Venturing, and summarize what those sources say. Remove all the stuff cited only to the Boy Scouts. If those independent sources do not exist, then the article should be deleted. I recommend that you disclose your conflict of interest at Talk:Venturing and on your own user page, which you have not yet created. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand why this is an issue. This article is not reporting on the quality of the program, only the content that is being delivered. Nobody else but the Boy Scouts themselves would write about the requirements or structure of the program they deliver. I would have a easier time understanding if this was an issue of reporting on scandals are accusations levied against the program, but that is not mentioned insofar. I'd also like to point that the main page for the Boy Scouts of America cites BSA resources. Help me to understand the difference, please. - HNAUser — Preceding unsigned comment added by HNAUser (talk • contribs) 04:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

HNAUser, it is a major issue because the General notability guideline says A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and that guideline goes on to say, "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent. An acceptable Wikipedia article does not recapitulate what an organization says about itself and its own pet projects, because the organization has its own website and social media presence to say whatever it wants to say about itself. This is an encyclopedia, not a platform for organizations to promote the programs that they think are important, but no independent published reliable sources think are important. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification!

I was able to find a couple of brief mentions of Venturing in articles about the lawsuit that the Girl Scouts filed against the Boy Scouts for recruiting girls. But those sources did not discuss Venturing in detail, and only mentioned it in passing. As for the references in the BSA article, I haven't examined that issue and maybe that article needs to be improved too. But there is no doubt that the BSA is notable, because many reliable sources devote significant coverage to it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:07, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Measurement uncertainty

What's the correct way on Wikipedia to express uncertainty in a measured quantity? I had a look in MOS:MEASUREMENT and it doesn't mention the subject at all.

For context, I want to edit the displayed value of the hyperfine transition of hydrogen in the “Hydrogen line” article.

MeasureWell (talk) 03:59, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@MeasureWell: Is this what you're looking for? --DB1729 (talk) 06:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Changing an image to a more recent one

What are the rules involved in changing an image to a more recent one? I know I need to own the copyright of the image, have permission to use it, or use a creative commons image, but is that all?

If I have those things is it OK to change an image to a better more recent one, even if the existing photo isn't technically inaccurate? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 07:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

If the image isn't already at Wikimedia Commons (WC), then (other than in very unusual circumstances) if you want to use it on Wikipedia you have to upload it to WC. WC is not Creative Commons (CC). If an image has one among a number of kinds of CC license, it can be uploaded to WC. A very small percentage of the images you'll find on the web have such a CC license. If you took the photograph, then the copyright to it will normally be yours. If it is indeed yours, then you're free to release it with a CC license that expressly permits reuse, even for commercial purposes. (Yes, when you upload a photo of yours to WC, you're allowing me to make money off it elsewhere, without passing any of that money to you.) Now, once there are two or more rival images at WC of a particular subject, then the best image for a given purpose is the one that should be used on Wikipedia for that purpose. Replacing a photo that isn't actually "wrong" with a better photo is standard procedure at Wikipedia. (Just make sure that you don't give the impression that your purpose is to advertise your own photographic prowess.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Vaccine

How are you taking the vaccine? 116.15.122.117 (talk) 08:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi anon, welcome to the teahouse, the teahouse is for answering questions about editing Wikipedia, maybe searching with your preferred search engine is a better way to answer your question. Justiyaya (talk) 09:05, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

We don't give medical advice here, you would need to check information supplied by your local health authority or government on vaccine rollouts in your country. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

how to cite

 Seunayomi007 (talk) 10:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Seunayomi007, try these guides/links: User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners, Help:Introduction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Writing a non-free use rationale

Dear Teahouse, I want to write a rationale for File:CBC Testcard 2006.png to save the file from being deleted. Can the Teahouse give me some tips for writing one? Thanks, 49.176.246.63 (talk) 02:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 49.176, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read the non-free content criteria carefully. No. 8 says "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". I cannot see how that can reasonably justify the use of file in the article Sign-on and sign-off. So unless you can come up with an existing article (criterion 7) for which 8 would apply, there is no rationale for allowing that file in Wikipedia. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Someone made a Wiki page for me and it is not correct.

Can it be taken down so that I can create my own with accurate information? 24.158.105.74 (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. We have no idea who you are, so this is a rather ambiguous request. As far as recreating the article goes, it's frowned upon for editors to write about themselves, and any information you add must be reliably sourced and verifiable, which means you can't just rely on your own experiences. If you do manage to find reliable sources, the least drama-filled path would be to submit an edit request on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 24.158. As Tenryuu says, we have no idea who you are; but please read WP:Autobiography#Problems in an article about you. --ColinFine (talk) 11:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Article

Darveshpur Sri Krishna Gaushala this is article now showing on browser--GoshalaDarveshpur (talk) 11:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC) GoshalaDarveshpur (talk) 11:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

GoshalaDarveshpur, which article is now showing on your browser, and what question do you have about it? -- Hoary (talk) 11:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it about Draft:Darveshpur Sri Krishna Gaushala? This is a draft. Promotion to article status was declined, as the draft uses Wikipedia for referencing. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. There are other problems too. Notably, almost everything in the draft is about gaushala/goshala in general; and this is quite unnecessary as there is an article, Goshala that explains. -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

publishing a draft

hello, we have created 4 pages for 4 filmmakers who have their first films published already on wikipedia. We made a draft and would like now to publish it. Could you please let us know how to proceed. Here are the 4 pages :

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Christos_Nikou

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Laura_Samani

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Lila_Aviles

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Fernanda_Valadez

thank you for your help. Alpha Violet (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Alpha Violet, welcome to the teahouse, the non redirect drafts contains no citations, add citations before submitting them for review or moving them into mainspace. Check if the subjects meet WP:GNG before continuing work on the draft. Justiyaya (talk) 10:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia accounts are for individuals. What does your use of "we" imply? What is your personal connection to these four people? Also, each draft has a photo which you claim as your own work. Is this true? David notMD (talk) 11:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of interest change

Please can someone help me with a conflict of interest change on https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Yana_Peel ?

I have added the change requests and supporting documents to the Talk section Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Opening several noticeboards? Talk:Amhara people

Hello for several issue's on the same subject i want it to the noticeboard for fringe, misattributions of quotes, npov concern and admins conduct. Do i have to choose one, when it's about the same subject or can place it in several? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 07:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Dawit S Gondaria! Chose one place for the actual discussion, maybe you already have. Then you can "advertise" it in more places, like "There is a discussion about X going on here (link), your input is welcome." See guidance at WP:APPNOTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @(talk) thank your for your response. I added the discussion to the [[14]] but the header/title is mad long ;) how do i make it so, that it when i notify that there's a discussion that it directly goes to this the section >>> Amhara people Nature of Amhara ethnicity section was added to affect NPOV of the article, by including fringe statements and deliberate misattributions to give false perception of broader support. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

archive box

Hello teahouse hosts. I've tried to archive my Talk page. You can see what I did HERE. When I click on the the dates for archived articles, I am not getting my archived articles. So, I'm totally stumped. Might someone assist with some further direction and let me know where I've gone wrong? Kind regards to all,Hu Nhu (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your archive link goes to Help_talk:Archiving_a_talk_page/Archive_1, which I'm pretty sure is not what you want. You're going to have to change it to whatever your archive page is titled. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: All you did so far is to create an archive box. This will not make an archive bot archive your talkpage, however. If you want to ask a bot to archive your talkpage, you have to include the specific bot's archive template, for example User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis if you want your talkpage to be archived by ClueBot III. Most of the bot templates have some params that need to be filled, check their documentation for details. If you tell me us how your archive should be configured (numbered archives/ archives by year/month/day etc.;minimum threads to archive in one go etc) we might also configure the bot for you. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: and @Tenryuu: Thanks very much for your very kind response. As I read them, I realized that I suppose I am not really so interested in saving the material on the talk page. It is just that I've seen archived talk pages on other users' pages and thought this was Wikipedia required protocol. Is there any stigma or sanctions I would face with simply deleting the posts that are at this point so many? If not, I'll simply delete the clutter. Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 21:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: You're not required to preserve messages (even warnings) on your user talk page (save for a few as described in the following link). You may delete them; note, however, that by doing so you are considered to have read and be aware of their contents. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:48, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Fixed my link above Victor Schmidt (talk) 04:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and Victor Schmidt: Thanks very much for you comments and links to further information. I think I do like the archive box idea, and I will follow the links and comments you've provided to see if I can noodle through the process--I kind of like the problem solving aspect of matters like this. But if I can't figure this out, at some point I'll probably return for some help. I really appreciate the Teahouse hosts. Each time I've been here they, like you, are very helpful and responsive. Kind regards to all.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome, and best of luck! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Renaming "Japanese Breakfast" to "Michelle Zauner" and Leaving a Redirect

A discussion on Talk:Japanese Breakfast about whether or not to merge with Draft:Michelle Zauner came to the consensus to merge the page and rename it from Japanese Breakfast to Michelle Zauner. This is due to the article's subject now being both a well-known author and director outside of the musical project Japanese Breakfast, expanding the scope of the page to be more specifically about Zauner than Japanese Breakfast.

The page should be moved from Japanese Breakfast to Michelle Zauner, and leave a redirect from Japanese Breakfast to the newly renamed page. I'm not quite sure how to do this due to the existing redirect. Memories of (talk) 02:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Memories of: Welcome to the Teahouse. Since this is a uncontroversial move, you can leave a request at WP:RM#TR for a page mover to look at. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Why does coke go with the left wing woke movement? A left wing socialist movement.

 2601:804:200:9F50:A93B:4244:F167:A1EA (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia. If the Wikipedia article about The Coca-Cola Company does not answer your question, then I suggest you contact the company directly. GoingBatty (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox conversion to Draft Article

I am trying to see if I can transfer my sandbox article over to the draft article so I can submit it for review. PeixuanGuo (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@PeixuanGuo: I see that SamStrongTalks kindly moved your sandbox article to Draft:Single Pore Sensing for you, and added the template to allow you to submit it for review. Before submitting the article, I suggest you update your draft based on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout (e.g. add a lead section, don't use bold or numbering in section headers) and MOS:DATEFORMAT (e.g. change date formats from 2000-3 to March 2000). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Signing

Is signing important when you reply to a question? If it is, then why Wikipedia doesn't automatically sign when you answer a question? I'm so confused. H0MARUP (talk) 03:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP H0MARUP (talk) 03:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: There are tools that help editors sign comments (like the Discussion Tool beta feature and Enterprisey's reply-link.js). There are times where a signature isn't wanted at the end, which is why by default it is expected to be manually inserted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: Yes, signatures are important when communicating on talk pages such as this. For more information, see Wikipedia:Signatures. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:20, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Using NFL cards / stamps as images

Hi, another image question. I'm looking to potentially buy some NFL cards off Ebay and upload them to Wikimedia, but want to know whether any or all of them would be allowed before I make a purchase.

Type 1. Sunoco stamps (1972). They appear to have no copyrighting on either side. https://www.ebay.com/itm/193789561863

Type 2. San Diego Chargers Police Cards (1987). Described on the back as being sponsored by Oscar Meyer and the San Diego Chargers. https://www.ebay.com/itm/203244413016

Type 3. San Diego Chargers Police Cards (1988 and later). The logos of the Chargers(TM) and Louis Rich(R) are featured on the backs of the cards. https://www.ebay.com/itm/402212892722

Thanks, Harper J. Cole (talk) 00:11, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Harper J. Cole, They are all covered by copyright. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Harper J. Cole, It's a common misconception that the absence of a copyright symbol means that the text is not subject to copyright. That was true at some time but hasn't been true for decades. All signatories to the Berne Convention, which includes the US, agree that any works created are automatically covered by copyright, with some exceptions such as works of federal employees. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, S Philbrick. Regrettable, but it can't be helped.--Harper J. Cole (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Creating an author page

I'm a published author and wish to create an author page and separate book page with cross references to historical figures and book genres. How do I avoid 'conflict of interest' Thanks to those who have responded. Really helpful.  ? Anna M Holmes (talk) 16:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Anna M Holmes, Welcome to Wikipedia! Although it is discouraged that a subject writes about themself on Wikipedia, perhaps WP:NPOV, WP:GNG, and WP:RS can help you here. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 16:51, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Anna M Holmes: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's more information at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, but if you're thinking about writing about yourself, that is strongly discouraged. In general, information should be taken and summarised from reliable sources, and conclusions should not be drawn here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Anna M Holmes:, Welcome to Wikipedia! Authors are strongly discouraged from editing articles about themselves and their work on Wikipedia because that constitutes conflict of interest. Unfortunatelly, as of now, I'm not certain you or your work would qualify for dedicated Wikipedia articles as per WP:AUTHOR and WP:NBOOK. Based on information I could find I recommend you do the following:

1. Declare your conflict of interest at least on your own page. This shows to other users that you are not trying to be sneaky and subvert Wikipedia rules.
2. Find relevant reliable sources on the subject before writing any articles. I looked throught a few review quotes about your most recent book and all sources I could find come from blog websites or even Facebook groups which are not considered reliable by Wikipedia. (Most of these websites are hosted on Blogspot and Wordpress domains; if authors of said blogs can't even be bothered to procure a dedicated domain name, I can't imagine that they have any content moderation/review process.)
3. Pay attention to other editors' work. So far, you made 6 content edits and all of them were reverted.
4. Also keep in mind that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Once you succeed in publishing any content on Wikipedia, you effectively loose control over it. Anyone can edit it to remove unsupported content, add more info supported by reliable sources, republish and reuse it (with attribution to Wikipedia contributors collectively and not to you personally), etc.

Anton.bersh (talk) 17:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

History/Africa countries

East,west north african countries.

}} 102.91.5.133 (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Did you intend to ask a question? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

A beginner's question about editing suspicious claim supported by footnotes

Is there a forum where I can pose a question about editing a particular Wikipedia page, or does the Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team serve that purpose?

1. The page in question is https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

2. The claim is this “The case is often cited as one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in modern times.”

3. The references are:

• [3] The referenced article does not mention “Kelo v. City of New London”.

• [4] The case is mentioned in the referenced article.

• [5] The referenced article does not mention “Kelo v. City of New London”. The referenced article is in fact excerpts from another article, and the link to the full article is dead.

• [6] Links to a YouTube video by what appears to be a legal “shock-jock”, a lawyer whose “specialty” is automobile lemon laws.

4. My questions are 1) should a Wikipedia contributor add qualifiers to statements such as this to acknowledge the breadth of opinion on the subject, 2) is researching then adding those qualifiers the responsibility of someone editing the page, or can the statement simply be deleted and the original author must amend, and 3) should references be deleted because of a subjective opinion about their gravitas?

FYI - I don't know enough to know whether I need a reply specific to mobile view or Visual Editor. Rwhtx (talk) 18:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rwhtx: Thanks for bringing this to our attention; I've ripped out the sentence entirely because of the poor sourcing you pointed out (the one where the case is in the source is a blog, which is not reliable as well). Wikipedia generally avoids making statements of "best" or "worst", especially in the introduction, and the only time we would actually say that is if there are multiple reliable sources that say this explicitly. Criticism sections further down are fine but are subject to the same sourcing requirements, and oftentimes needs in-text attribution. The responsibility to provide references belongs to the person that added the text, but it's good practice to do a quick Google search to see if you can improve the sourcing. If you encounter one "in the wild", you may go to the talk page and discuss it with other editors, or just be bold and remove it yourself (bearing in mind WP:BRD). Let me know if you have any more questions. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Rwhtx, welcome to the teahouse. Another editor, probably a teahouse host, already reverted the edit in the article you mentioned, here's the answers to your questions.

1. No, opinions are not allowed on Wikipedia, unless it's someone's else's opinion (WP:NPOV). I can say, "(a notable or related random human/thing) commented that (a random thing) is good." but not "I think this (random thing) is good" or "this (random thing) is good"
2. Adding citations, making sure the information added is correct and making sure the edit is free from NPOV issues is always the responsibility of the editor. If the edit made is not neutral, makes questionable claims without citing anything or is otherwise nonconstructive (for a variety of reasons), you can simply revert the edit (going to the edit history and clicking undo). Notify/warn the editor using templates if you think their edits are not made in good faith. (I suggest using Twinkle or Redwarn for that)
3. If the references are biased and are not reliable sources, such as some biased news agency's opinion on contested things, and the contested opinion is not portrayed as opinions themselves, just delete the references and the section/sentence they support. If they are just bad references but the section is perfectly fine (which is unlikely), see if you can find better citations that support the fact and replace the biased ones.

If you have any more questions, please reply to this but ping me by using {{Ping|Justiyaya}} -- Justiyaya (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Submitted Draft for Review by Mistake

I submitted a draft from my sandbox for review but then I realized that the review process is only for new articles. My work is only additional material for an already existing article. How do I withdraw the draft? Attu43 (talk) 21:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Attu43: Welcome to the Teahouse! Ganbaruby kindly removed the AfC template from User:Attu43/sandbox for you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Attu43: I've taken out the AfC template. As for adding it into the article, editors may just be bold and edit the article directly, or discuss additions on the talk page if they're not sure. However, after reading what's in your sandbox, you need to find a way to condense all that extraneous information and avoid puffery. Wording like "Bright and diligent, Farris was a good student", "Emory had a good academic reputation", Always a disciplined person, and Farris and Julia had a deep, loving relationship are problematic. While some of the information may be true, it's too much detail and makes him sound like a saint. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 22:15, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I agree and will make additional edits. @Ganbaruby:Attu43 (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

How to suggest an article for lengthening?

Hello!!

I'm particularly interested in improving and lengthening the Wikipedia pages of women and their work in order to properly reflect their contributions to society. I have found an article that I would like to ask for help in lengthening because it's extremely sparse. Is there a group I could find to suggest this and/or find other articles on women to improve?

Thanks very much! Greyflamingo Greyflamingo (talk) 19:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Greyflamingo: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women seems to be somewhat active according to their talk page, so you may be able to find some assistance there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Greyflamingo: I would also urge you to drop by WikiProject Women in red. that is their exact core focus.---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 19:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Greyflamingo: Ditto that advice: the talk page for WikiProject Women in red is full of people with the same interest. --- Possibly ☎ 23:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Visibility of caption for photo

Hi, someone please tell why the caption specified for the photo of the Queen of Nanaimo in Victoria Machinery Depot#Ships built is invisible. Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 23:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Huh it says "Queen of Nanaimo" in the desktop version. In the mobile version (which I assume you're using) it doesn't. I'm sure someone familiar with that bug will come by soon. Herostratus (talk) 00:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

It has just been fixed by another editor. Something to do with the File syntax. RudolfRed (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Elmer G. Cato

Hello everyone, this is my dilemma. I started to contribute to Wikipedia last month and made a username that was ambiguous and implied that I was affiliated with an advertising agency. In fact I am not. I just liked the anonymity of using that username but it complicated my submission more. So I tried to follow the suggestions of the hosts/editors of Wikipedia. I tried to change my username but I had difficulty doing it. Also, I can disclose my personal details just to share that I want to become a contributor and that my article is in good faith. The person I am writing about is someone who has helped a lot of Filipinos in Iraq and Libya. I was hoping to add up this information in Wikipedia as fact.

One of the things that was suggested while I was trying to expedite the approval of the article I wrote was to make a new username and submit the article.

However, if this is not the right way to do it. Can someone help me how to do it properly? I would really appreciate your assistance so that I can have my article approved.

My old username was StratCom1080. How can I change it into a new username that won't imply I am working or in any way affiliated with a marketing agency or whatsoever.

I work as a Virtual Assistant for a Trucking Company and Procurement Staff for and for a Trading Company. How can I disclose that I don't have conflict of interest on the article that I am writing about.

Sincerely yours,

Maria Ahriam Almonte80 (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ahriam Almonte80: It looks like you already created a new username. You can add a note to your new user page that you previously edited under the old name. You can also add a note that you are not affiliated with the subject of the article you are creating. RudolfRed (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Elmer Cato exists. Address the reviewer's comments. David notMD (talk) 00:22, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

First article

Hey,

I was wondering regarding publishing my first article, will I be able to do that? I made some minor edits and contributions these past few days and my page is over 4 days old. But apparently I have to wait on Afc? Or is that for other users? I'm confused! Boozlebam (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Boozlebam, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. You're right that there is a technical limitation (to reduce vandalism) whereby very new accounts cannot create articles directly. However, even when you are able to technically, I would very very very strongly advise you not to jump in and create an article directly in main space, but to use the articles for creation process to create a draft, that you can work on, and get advice on, and eventually submit for review. My personal recommendation would be that you do not even try that yet, but spend a few months making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before you do so: generally, editors who try the difficult task of creating a new article before they have the necessary understanding tend to have a frustrating and disappointing experience. I liken it to somebody who has just had their first piano lesson, and tries to play a concert; or somebody who has had their first Chinese lesson and tries to submit an article to a Chinese magazine. Please see your first article, and the community portal. --ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Aah ok! Thank you for your advice. I welcome you to look at my article as well, and I'll keep on testing the waters!--Boozlebam (talk) 22:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

For the curious, the draft in question is Draft:A boy named ROSA. Submitted to AfC today. One question to get out of the way is what is your connection to this performer? David notMD (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

WEBCRIT

WP:WEBCRIT says "The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization. Ideally, this award itself is also notable and already has a Wikipedia article." but what's supposed to happen with articles like The Signal (podcast)? The only coverage available is awards and as far as I can tell the podcast has been inactive for quite some time. Is it okay to have a really short and practically useless article that will never generate new coverage? The podcast could just as easily be on a list at one of the award pages or one of the hosts pages. Would it be okay to suggest merging it into one of those? TipsyElephant (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Looking at WEBCRIT, the language is uses is "may be notable", not the more normal "presumed to be notable", which reads as a higher standard. So I'm not fully sure that The Signal is in fact notable. If you've done a WP:BEFORE, you could certainly try AfDing it and seeing where it goes. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

YouTube notability

I have a question? Can just be a youtuber with many subscribers equals that he is notable? For example this guy, Dhruv Rathee. He just has 5 million subscribers on youtube and he has a wikipedia page. But a guy called Gaurav taneja,(Flying beast) also has more than 5 million subscribers but he does not have a wikipedia page. He is notable too. So shoudn't this guy's wikipedia page be deleted as i think so having more subscribers doesn't mean he is notable. A guy called Vivek bindra has 16 Million subs but still he does not have a wikipedia page? So shouldn't his page should be deleted as well? Badassboy 63637 (talk) 17:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Badassboy 63637. Just because someone has a lot of subscribers does not automatically make them notable. Please read Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability. Kleinpecan (talk) 17:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

So shouldn't it should be considered for nomination for deletion as per wikipedia rules. Will you nominate it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badassboy 63637 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Badassboy 63637: If a YouTuber, or any other subject, meets the Wikipedia guidelines for an article, the article shouldn't be nominated for deletion. I think the article you linked meets WP:GNG and shouldn't be nominated for deletion. Justiyaya (talk) 18:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Badassboy 63637, if, after careful consideration, you believe that Wikipedia policy dictates that a certain article should be deleted, then you are free to nominate the article for deletion. Here's how. Make sure that your nomination rationale is policy-based, persuasive, lucid, and as concise as possible. Avoid rhetorical questions. Avoid question marks on what are not questions. -- Hoary (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Creation of Article in Japanese

Hi Wikipedians!! So, I am here today for a quick question. Is there any possibilities of People Helping me Translating an Article in English to Japanese? I have Messaged many Translators, but there is no reply from them. Also, I would like to know that Can I use the same Account across all Wikipedia's? Like Can I use my Account in Japanese Wikipedia too? Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 02:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 02:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: I think you’d be better off asking this question at the Japanese Wikipedia. You’re much more likely to find somebody who is bilingual in English and Japanese there than here. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 03:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

• @Jocelin Andrea: And yes, you can use your same account on any Wikipedia. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea:, your question fascinates me. Which article, and why would you want it translated into Japanese? -- Hoary (talk) 04:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Hoary, Sorry for the late reply, had some work yesterday. So, nothing serious, I know to read Japanese and when I came across random articles in Chinese, thought that it would be good if they are in English too. The reason is needed a Translator was to Translate a bit more efficient Draft as I am neither Bilingual or Native to Japanese. I would like to know if you wish to help. Thanks, Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Jocelin Andrea, now I wonder if you even meant English-to-Japanese translation. Perhaps you meant Japanese-to-English translation. The whole affair is mysterious (not least the matter of random articles in Chinese). -- Hoary (talk) 08:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

• @Jocelin Andrea: You may be interested in Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Small Doubt on Notification

Why don't I get a notification when I ping someone in their talkpage. Do they get notified separately.  Siddartha897 (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Siddartha897: Why would you want to get a notification for pinging someone else? Can you clarify your question? RudolfRed (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I mean a notification like (Your mention of someone was sent).Siddartha897 (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I had no idea such a thing existed. Thank you @Siddartha897: and @Tenryuu: for teaching me something new today. RudolfRed (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Siddartha897: If I'm understanding this correctly, you want to have an alert for when you successfully ping someone? You can do that at Preferences → Notifications → Successful mention → Web. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks, That's what i wanted. Damn I got 4 edit conflicts consecutively while replying to this thread. Siddartha897 (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Oh! wait. That's not what i'm asking. The alert was already on Y, I'm getting mentions from so long. But see my question carefully I mean When I mention someone in their talkpage. Siddartha897 (talk) 18:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Siddartha897: I just tested it on your user talk page and it seems to be suppressed. The folks over at WP:VPT might be able to answer your quandary better. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I have noticed it many times and I thought it is how WP works. Because when You mentioned me in my talkpage I got notified separately and you didn't get a alert. May be as it is my talkpage it's already in my watchlist. So I'm getting notified.Siddartha897 (talk) 05:46, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Help with notability

Hey peeps, I have written Draft:Vyla Rollins and am looking for help with notability, the below is a conversation I have had with someone that reviewed the article and I am looking for further assistance.

FYI

 – The following boxed content can be found at User talk:Nomadicghumakkad#Decline of Draft: Vyla Robbins. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I can't offer any advice, but I can offer sympathy: WPs definitions of notability are what they are, so we have to work within them. Someone had to draw a line in the sand, and it's just unfortunate that wherever it's drawn, there will be people who don't seem to be the right side of it. When I am more experienced, I may feel able to grumble on the talk-page of wherever the policy is - maybe you will too. It seems to me that our policy's emphasis on being elected to a learned society is a rather naive and misguided emphasis; some of those societies verge on being old-boys(and girls) clubs, where election is simply a matter of being old friends with everyone else who's been elected. Incidentally, Charles Babbage had a massive bust-up with the Royal Society almost 200 years ago over very similar concerns, so I feel I'm in good company. Similarly a lot of distinguished professors aren't really all that distinguished when you look more closely, and any university that needed a bit of cash will have plenty of named chairs... But it's no better in sports-world either. I console myself with the knowledge that the truly great always do get remembered, eventually. Elemimele (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have advice. Cut what's merely trivial. Cut what's not reliably, independently referenced. The result will be very much leaner. Augment it, with non-trivial, well-referenced material. -- Hoary (talk) 07:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

How does the naval works in terms of the training

Captain Alien 20 (talk) 07:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Captain Alien 20: What do you mean? This is a place for asking questions relevant to wikipedia, Not for general questions. Siddartha897 (talk) 09:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Translating sources when copyediting article?

Hi friends :)

I am currently in the process of fixing up an article that uses many sources in Korean. I do not speak Korean, so I used google translate for the webpage content. Is it okay to use the source to confirm or potentially add information like this?

Thanks! AbigailPhoenix {talk} 09:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@AbigailPhoenix: "uses many sources in Korean", this is actually pretty common for Korean-related articles in English Wikipedia. It is okay to use Google Translate if you don't know Korean, however just make sure the content you're adding or changing is verifiable as per the included source and not wrong information. What I meant by wrong information is Google Translate would sometimes translate certain word or sentence with the wrong meaning but most of the time, it would translate correctly. If you would like to add additional source to Korean-releated article you're editing, please make sure the source is not unreliable source as per WP:KO/RS#UR else it would most likely get reverted. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much :) I'm not adding any extra sources, just going through the ones already there

AbigailPhoenix {talk} 10:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A sort of rant

Greetings dear Teahouse hosts and guests,

so I'm a bit annoyed by what about half of the people here are: Their draft not being accepted.

However, I am not half as concerned about establishing notability, finding sources or getting rejected as I am about actually getting reviewed. I have now returned from my second wikibreak this year, only to find my draft still in the queue. I submitted back in January, and have thus now patiently waited for five months, as threatened. Maybe I should have waited one more day; but I get the impression that I am either really unlucky or there's a technical problem.

In any case where this is not a technical error, however, I feel like something is really broken with the AfC process. I am not a new editor, I have published articles before (even without AfC before I knew that existed). I intentionally chose to go via AfC here because this is an article about a company, and I wanted to make sure it gets through in the best state possible. I have no CoI, but simply took an interest in the subject after the company in accordance with our rules requested the article to be created. But, here we are, both company representative and volunteer editor without an article to show for. In the meantime, numerous article have sprung up by avoiding AfC which are of really bad quality, and of which probably 50% will be pruned later anyway, and the rest improved until they are in a state where they would have passed AfC. But these articles are up now, which is good news for the companies involved! This is ludicrous, considering we are effectively punishing those who abide by the rules and wait patiently.

Now, I get that I can't force things. We are all volunteers here, and reviews are tedious. I have actually considered joining AfC review to help out – but how could I possibly do that while my own article is still waiting? I'd be biased because I want to see it get approved.

So, yeah... I'd really appreciate if someone could review this draft: Draft:Polymateria. The wait is really draining a bit of my motivation to tackle the other projects I want to do here.

/End of rant. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Remember that it is not a queue. Volunteer reviewers choose what they want to review and when. Additionally, there are a large number of drafts and few number of reviewers. Just be patient, and work on other things until the draft is reviewed. RudolfRed (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The existance of some other company articles (in good or bad shape) does not justify any other article being created. This is an encyclopedia not a venue for promotion. RudolfRed (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I know, I know. I am aware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and I didn't mean to use that as a point to prove that my article should get accepted. I meant to use it as a point that dodging AfC can work, and NPP will sometimes not catch some bad ones. And if you read my post, I actually stated that I was considering joining the AfC review team, but decided against it because I would be in a biased state (not to mention without any clue about whether I have to correct understanding of how a company article should look like).

I'm not blaming anyone. My point is: I could just publish the article. Personally, I feel that – apart from some minor points – it would definitely stay up and exist. Waiting for it to get reviewed via AfC is what I feel is morally the right thing to do, but the problem is that no one is getting anything out of it. I get annoyed, AfC reviewers gets stressed when I bother them, you teahouse hosts feel obliged to reply to yet another rant. I just feel that this encourages to cheat the system by avoiding AfC. And that feels wrong. --LordPeterII (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: I can really hear and understand your frustrations, and sadly cannot offer you much solace, I'm afraid. But maybe I could just point out a couple of possible reasons for the long delay. Firstly, because we see Wikipedia constantly being used and abused by attempts to promote businesses and entrepreneurs here, our volunteer reviewers may tend to opt for more interesting work than assessing notability for companies. Secondly, when I see a huge amount of sources used in an article (you currently have 35) I know it will take a vast amount of my time to assess that notability. And whether you're connected or you're not (and I know you've made clear that you're not), it's not unreasonable for some reviewers to wonder if this is yet another case of paid editor pushing a company on Wikipedia. Let me be clear: this is not an accusation - just the reality as I see it. Yes, it would be easy for someone to move their draft directly into mainspace, and you've done the right thing by not doing so - thank you. What you could do, is add a new section to its talk page or to the top of the article entitled Note to reviewers or something similar, and pop in the four most important sources that you thing establish notability per WP:NCORP. A brief explanation of those links could well help the helpers and might go a long way in making things proceed more smoothly. Although I'm not an AfC reviewer, my own personal interests would have swayed me well away from both living people (unless they're scientists) and from all forms of businesses and celebrities, so I'm afraid I wouldn't be rushing to review it for that very reason (though the topic that the company deals in does interest me greatly - so I might suggest there's some mileage in finding an appropriate article on biodegradable plastics and add a line or two there). Hope you find this reply at least somewhat helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the detailed response. I can totally understand these points, and you are right it surely took so long because it was about a company. I probably will be staying away from editing about companies myself for quite a while, because it was tedious and I was constantly worried about writing just another promotional blurb. I feel like I could have written two other articles in the time it took to polish that one lol ^^

Your point about making a talk page section for reviewers makes so much sense though! I shall definitely keep that in mind for my next article. Cheers! --LordPeterII (talk) 05:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Done. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

Really @Hoary, thanks a bunch for taking a look at it!! I think I could even have lived with it getting rejected, but I am of course delighted that it got through. Also thanks to @GoingBatty and @Possibly for helping with clean-up. My faith in Wikipedia is restored :D

Sorry again for the rant, I am not usually someone to do something like that; I guess I was just really frustrated (also had a difficult DYK that dragged on recently). Now I'm gonna pick some less controversial topics I think, and edit "just for fun" for a while. Cheers! --LordPeterII (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII:. Others (me included) like to rant about the word "solutions" that I have now replaced in the article with "products". See WP:solutions for the reasoning. Some new articles get declined because they use that marketing-speak! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Good point! I fully expected to get feedback and criticism on the article, and am thankful for any! My frustration lay entirely in not getting such ;)

As for this specific thing, I was actually not very happy with the lede when I submitted the draft. But I couldn't figure out how to describe why the company is notable (and this is that they are sort of a "pioneer"), without sounding promotional. That "solutions" was not optimal makes sense now, and I guess it sometimes shows that I'm not a native and can't fully judge the right choice of vocabulary at all times (atm, I'm making another attempt to read The Lord of the Rings in English to improve my vocab a bit, though it might not help in this specific case ^^).

I'll keep it in mind if I ever get crazy enough to write another company article. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:21, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Unblocking/unlocking a term

Hello. I have a question about unblocking a term. I wanted to create an article for Eargasm, a 1976 Johnnie Taylor album that was a Top 5 hit, contains a No. 1 song, and has sold more than a million copies. The term "Eargasm" is blocked from creation due to it also being a title for articles about subjects that were found to be non-notable--and which have nothing to do with the JT album. Sandstein was the admin who blocked the term in 2008. I asked Sandstein to merely unblock the term; he asked for WP:THREE. I instead gave a more detailed response, and he declined to unblock the term. Had the term not been blocked, I would have just created the article.

This would seem to be problematic. It's censorious, silly, and as I wrote to Sandstein, childish. It seems to be more a case of doing something solely because he can, not basing a decision on merit or logic. Again, this article would be about a platinum album, which has nothing to do with the previous articles bearing the same name. Thank you for any assistance.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Sandstein Caro7200 (talk) 16:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Caro7200,
Sandstein asked for the 3 best sources; you simply linked the name of many sources that you could find. I recommend finding the 3 best, highest quality and most reliable source, and link them on Sandstein's talk. If this fails, you can ask another admin to take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for reduction in protection level, they will likely check over the conversation you had on Sandstein's talk. WP:SALT has more information. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thanks. Well, this seems to contradict both editorial courtesy and assuming good faith; it's bad policy. What's the worst that could happen in this scenario? A deceptive editor asks for a term--again, a term--to be unblocked, they recreate a previously deleted page, the page is then immediately deleted again, and the editor is immediately sanctioned? I realize that Sandstein asked for Three--my point is that this gatekeeping shouldn't even happen if I have stated that I am going to write an article about a completely different topic that simply shares the same title. But it's fine, there are other articles to write, and I'll expend my efforts doing that rather than trying to argue for what should be standard, and courteous, practice. Caro7200 (talk) 16:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

To be fair, you're not particularly extending good faith to Sandstein, either--they asked you a straightforward question, you didn't answer it, they thus declined to accept your request, and your conclusion is that they're "deeply childish", "silly", "censorious", and in so many words, on a power trip. Anyway, if you're actually looking for solutions, and not just complain about those who disagree with you, you could also just write your article in a user sandbox or as a draft and then, when it's done, ask an admin to move it over the page protection for you. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

This will be my last comment, as I don't want to keep litigating the issue--as Writ Keeper hints at, there are few things worse on Wikipedia than complaint after complaint. My point is that this should have been a fairly simple thing to resolve, involving good faith. In the worst case scenarios, either I'm deceptive, recreate the same article, and am punished, or I write an article that the community finds is not notable on its own merits. I do think this is silly, childish, censorious, and an unfortunate case of administrative gatekeeping, but I will move on. My opinion is that the heart and soul of Wikipedia is that anyone can write an article, publish it, and have the community weigh in. And while not to further toss in something, this is a platinum album by a Black artist without a single album article to his name. I hope my edit history indicates my seriousness and passion for the project. Take care. Caro7200 (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I will apologize to Sandstein. Caro7200 (talk) 17:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Caro7200. There is no point in preemptively unsalting the title. If you think that that an acceptable article can now be written on that topic, go ahead and create the draft. If a reveiwer accepts the draft, then they will override the salting. In other words, if you use theWP:AFC process, then the salting becomes irrelevant. --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Just a note to say I saw the thread on Sandstein's talk page, and have recreated Eargasm as a redirect and explained why over there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding English article

hello, I want to add an enhlish version of existing article, but it is possible only by draft, who can help?. Fozera (talk) 03:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

hii, I need help. I want to add an english version of existing article. But it let me only by draft. How can I proceed??? Fozera (talk) 03:41, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Fozera: You should proceed by creating a draft for review. WP:YFA will walk you through the process. WP:TRANSLATE will also have some good info. Note that each Wikipedia has its own rules and standards for articles, so what may be acceptable on one may not be acceptable here. RudolfRed (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Zhirayr Agavelyan, perhaps? It's unreferenced. You must specify a reliable, independent, published source for everything that it says. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

In addition to the draft, Fozera has also created the article Zhirayr Agavelyan, with overlapping content to the draft. The article has a few references, but not enough to support all the content. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Why does a true information doesn't get accepted?

Recently, I've added some extra information in Blackpink. Although these pieces of information were true, why do they stills get reverted? H0MARUP (talk) 12:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: You added main/lead/sub term to vocalist, dancer or rapper as per this diff. You also added visual and face of the group, both of this are considered WP:FANCRUFT. As per consensus on WT:KO, such information (main, lead, sub, visual, face of the group, maknae and similar terms) should not be included.

@Kleinpecan: Answered. Thanks you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:59, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: Oh, I understood. But what a shame! I always wanted to help my idols once. Welp, at least I tried.H0MARUP (talk) 12:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)H0MARUP" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding unsigned comment added by H0MARUP (talk • contribs) 14:05, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: No problem, at least now you're aware of it. Thanks you and happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:20, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I am a networking pro learning how to evolve on Wikipedia please help!

 Theshowishere (talk) 13:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

You have been given many useful links on your user talk page. Is there something there which you don't understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Can i give a barnstar

Hey, can I give a barnstar to someone who is doing good work even if i don't have a barnstar. Who all can give barnstar? Badassboy 63637 (talk) 14:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Badassboy 63637:We all can give barnstars by using the wikilove button next to the view history button on a user talk page, or with the templates on WP:BARN. Justiyaya (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

user talk pages

I can't edit wikipedia from my work computer and my request to get the IP exempt was denied, but I noticed that I can edit my User Talk Page. I was wondering why it's the only place I can edit from a banned IP address. Why can't I edit the user page itself or my sandbox? What's so special about my user talk page that I should be able to edit it from a banned IP address at all? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: You still have access to your user talk page when you (or the underlying IP adress) is blocked so you may discuss the block, including request unblock. Please be advised that talkpage access can be turned off. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I accidentally published my article before it was ready.

I was working on a draft for an article and I meant to press "Show Preview" but accidentally pressed "Published Page" instead. How can I continue working on my draft? Bigmusicguy (talk) 14:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

No stress, just keep working on it. There is nothing to stop you from continuing to edit after clicking on Publish. However, you might like to add the template {{Under construction}} so that no one thinks it's complete and gets over-enthusiastic about marking it for deletion! Elemimele (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Don't worry, Bigmusicguy, your edit history shows you weren't actually editing a new, draft article. Instead, you simply published some edits rather then previewing them - that's not the same as Publishing an article - despite the annoyingly confusing name, which for legal reasons, we can do nothing to change. All you appear to have done is save some edits (i.e publish them online). But next time, please link to the article you're referring to as it's rather a bit of guesswork on our part to know what you might have been referring to. If you ever publish an edit and regret it, you can go to the View History tab of the page you were on and revert (undo) your last edit so the page is exactly as it was before. I hope this helps and makes some sense. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Question

 Jace338 (talk) 14:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jace338: Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Simply posting only your signature just causes a lot of confusion, as it has done to Elemimele, above, who thought you were somebody else. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

(sorry, I messed-up, I should look more carefully, I've removed the reply-to wrong user, but it's probably already done so) Elemimele (talk) 15:26, 23 June 2021 (UTC)