User talk:Ss112/Archive 18

Do It (Nelly Furtado song)

Hi Ss112, I wanna ask if you could possibly take a look at Do It’s page, a user has repeatedly tried to include Janne Suni as a songwriter because Timbaland the producer had plagiarized a line from one of Suni’s songs. From the sources provided on the page regarding the lawsuit they all state it was settled out of court but no where does it state the he was granted songwriting credits on the song… the user who keeps reverting this is someone who’s been on her for almost 20 years. Which I’m sure you can see if you see this message. But I’ve repeatedly told them no source states he was granted credits and they are still not understanding. What would you recommend doing? I’ve tried talking to them and they still are not listening. I’m about to reach out to an admin because it’s getting very out of hand now. Hopefully it’s okay that I reached out to you, I know you’re very smart with music article. Pillowdelight (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I've left a note on their talk page. I agree—unless the settlement of a court case was that Suni or whomever was found to be "plagiarised" from should be credited, we should not credit them in the infobox. I would say your best bet after this is to go to an admin if they revert again. I don't even think in this case that citing Suni's official site(?) on the article qualifies as a reliable source so would support removing it until we have one. Suni saying "I was ripped off" is certainly contentious unless there's media reporting on it. Ss112 23:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, thank you! Honestly if you don’t mind me asking is there any admins you could recommend that are familiar with music articles? I’m still fairly new on here and it seems like every admin I contact on here all really don’t do much when I ask compared to others who have been on here for 10+ years…Pillowdelight (talk) 23:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: Sergecross73 might help you out. Ss112 23:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

If you don’t mind me asking, can you take a look at Paris there is some source under Certifications of the album going platinum in Russia with sales of 20,000 but is the source accurate? Also, the release date as well, iTunes and Spotify list it as being released on August 14, 2006. But there’s a source coming from TMZ that states she partnered with AOL to release her album on their streaming platform a week early, but physical CD’s were released on the 22nd of August. So wouldn’t it be appropriate to change the release date to August 14 in the box?Pillowdelight (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: In this case, I think the earliest release date is a matter of debate. We could put August 14, or editors might prefer to put the full commercial release date (when it was released to the wider public). I'm not sure if AOL Music was a subscription service or not, which, if it was, might qualify it as a commercial release date. As for the Russian certification, it looks legitimate. The source appears to be a document from Izvestia. Ss112 01:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Just a heads up that user has once again reverted the edit on Do It, they again have failed to provide a single source. They also replied back to you stating “reliable sources are given” but none are given. I don’t understand why a user who’s been on here for almost 20 years with almost 50K edits is acting as if they’re new around here. Pillowdelight (talk) 08:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I've reverted them, but this "heads up" is now making it sound like you want me to argue with this user for you and go to an admin for you. You said you would go to an admin, and I recommended you one. I'm not interested in getting involved beyond telling this user they're in the wrong and warning them. Just tell Sergecross73 about it on his talk page. I don't see any reliable sources saying Suni is now a songwriter, and this user is edit warring. Ss112 08:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: This is such a random question, but are singles released from bonus tracks and deluxe editions able to be part of the Singles box on album pages? Such as Pink Friday, Super Bass & Girls Fall Like Dominoes came from the bonus track edition. I’m just trying to make sure I’m falling it correctly because I did remove them and left a note not to add them. Per Template:Infobox album — “Do not include singles that were added as bonus tracks on a re-release of an album.“ but the “re-release” word is throwing me off a bit, I’m not sure if a deluxe edition & bonus track is considered a “re-release” Pillowdelight (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: "Re-release" means if the album was reissued say, months or a year later with extra tracks. If a deluxe edition was released at the same time as the standard edition, we would generally include singles released from that in the singles template. Two editions of the same album released around or even on the same day are definitely not re-releases. So if "Super Bass" was released on a deluxe edition released around or at the same time as the standard edition, then I would say we should include it in the infobox. (I also wouldn't say an album being released in say, Japan with extra tracks not on any edition of the album released in other countries counts as a re-release, as long as it's the first time the album was released in that country. Like, we wouldn't say an album is a "re-release" if it's the first time it's been released in Japan.) Ss112 09:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. I just reverted it. I’m not too sure when the deluxe edition was released. I am so sorry by the way I just saw your note that says not to bug you for questions. Pillowdelight (talk) 09:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Ss112:, I have a really random request if you’re able to and have time could you please review over I Wanna Be with You an editor and I have been in a dispute which I tried resolving with and had attempted to clean up all the unsourced mess that was on the page. If you could please try to go through it and see what should and shouldn’t be there. Thank you! Pillowdelight (talk) 01:56, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

RfC

A RfC has begun at WT:ALBUM regarding the year-end or decade-end tables should be cut down. Please add your comments there if interested. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 11:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Iggy Pop chart help

Hi Ss112! I was wondering if you could help me out in adding chart tables to Iggy Pop's albums? I noticed on his discography page that he's had quite a bit of chart success over the years yet this isn't reflected in the majority of the album pages. I have already taken care of The Idiot (album) and Lust for Life (Iggy Pop album) and am currently working on Blah-Blah-Blah (Iggy Pop album) but hoping you could help me out with the others? If not it's all good. Thanks! – zmbro _(talk) 18:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Zmbro: Sorry for the late response. Just added charts to most of the rest of his album articles. Ss112 10:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey again! Was wondering if you could assist with "I'm Afraid of Americans"? I'm struggling with a few of them. Thanks! – zmbro _(talk) 16:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How many Films?

Howdy. I wonder how many 'socks' Filmomusico has? IMHO, this isn't a WP:CIR situation. But rather an individual who's bleeping around with the rest of us. GoodDay (talk) 02:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay: The only ones I'm aware of are their main account and MollyPollyRolly. I'm not too sure if Oshwah or anybody else has come across any more they've tied to Filmomusico, but there's almost certainly more. At any rate the disruptive edits on their main account (changing infobox formatting, removing alt= and empty parameters, adding unsourced genres, being antagonistic and acting in a negotiating/WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT manner even to the blocking admin, in addition to having multiple undeclared accounts) should be enough screwing around that they be blocked indefinitely. Ss112 02:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, it's time for him to be escorted out the door. GoodDay (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Already Dead (Juice Wrld Song)

Hi Ss112 - the above article will obviously need renaming because of the capitalisation of "Song", but I'm not sure whether to move it to "Already Dead (Juice Wrld song)" or simply "Already Dead (song)", seeing as the other songs with that name are currently redirects. What do you suggest? I'm also not sure whether a histmerge will be necessary, seeing as this article has already been created at least twice before at "Already Dead (Juice Wrld song)" and "Already Dead (Juice WRLD song)". And I don't think the extra artwork will pass WP:NFCC, because it was only used for a leaked release, not an official release. Richard3120 (talk) 14:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Moved it to "(song)" as there's no other song of this name with an article per WP:NCMDAB. Histmerge is only really necessary where a user has copypasted somebody else's content. If it's the same editor who copied their own written article to different places (that nobody else substantially contributed to) or it was a different article that was started, it's not necessary to histmerge. And you're right about the extra cover—unnecessary and both that and the main image were uploaded to Commons anyway. I've tagged them both as copyvios on Commons and uploaded the stickerless cover locally. Ss112 15:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that and for clarifying... I suspected that "(song)" was the correct disambiguator, but with several existing titles and redirects for the song, I wanted to make sure it was 100% right before moving it, to avoid creating a double redirect if it had to be moved again afterwards. Richard3120 (talk) 15:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Re: Morce Library

I would recommend an ANI report given the length of the user's history; I'd prefer to get another set of eyes on this rather than me re-blocking. Spencer^T•C 16:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spencer: I loathe ANI, so I'll ask another admin to look into it directly. Achieves basically the same thing without the fuss of filing an ANI report. Ss112 16:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

They’re still at it again after getting unblocked, some people never learn 2A02:C7E:3843:C900:7C12:2242:BE6B:4663 (talk) 18:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey, I’m a fellow editor who’s having issues with this person as well, specifically on the Chris Brown page, as well as the F.A.M.E., X, and Heartbreak on a Full Moon pages, if you could look into it and possibly help resolve this I’d appreciate, thanks. Aardwolf68 (talk) 12:57, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Courage to Change (song)

On Sia's album Music..., under "writers", I notice that Pink is not listed as a writer for "Courage to Change", even though it says above that Pink was one of the writers. Can you clarify in the article? Happy New Year. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: Hi. I'm not sure why you're asking me to do this just because I added a year-end chart position to the article. That being said, Alecia Moore is Pink's real name, and I see she is listed as a writer in the track listing on the article for Music. Ss112 03:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Encanto

Hi! If you have time, please take a look at Encanto (soundtrack), and give me some comments and suggestions if any. I'm experienced in album articles, but not in soundtracks specifically. So, it would be great if you could give your stamp of approval on the article's structure/style. Thanks! Ronherry (talk) 08:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Appreciation

Hi! I appreciate your editing!🙏 41.115.67.151 (talk) 15:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

V (singer)#Discography

Hi Ss112 can you explain why you removed from [(singer)] in section 6_Discography - song "Christmas Tree" position in Hungary provided ? watch link: top-40-slagerlista/2021/52 archived Single Top 40 slágerlista to 30 december 2021 Christmas Tree by V is nubmer 1 30-dec-2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastasya1501 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Anastasya1501: That citation was and is still not on the article. I was not going to hunt through the Hungarian chart archives to find if and when it charted, and it's not my job to source other people's edits for them. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes when you post on somebody's talk page. I usually refrain from editing somebody's comments, but there is entirely no need to use a "reply to" template for me on my own talk page. Thank you. Ss112 09:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Ss112 thank you for the answer and your time spent. I'm not using Wiki well yet,sorry. and how to restore the number 1 in the chart in the table and insert the link ? I can't do it myself, but it needs to be returned together with a link to an official source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastasya1501 (talk • contribs) 09:33, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Ants from Up There

Hi Ss112, about Special:Diff/1069648553, are you sure that the album as been released? It don't look like it on its bandcamp page, think the revision is 12 hours too early. Justiyaya 12:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justiyaya: Yes, I am 100% sure. It's past midnight in New Zealand, and the album is available on streaming services there already. (Even if somebody is not a user of the Apple Music application, a simple way to tell an album is out is to note that most albums do not list the songs' durations on the web browser version of Apple Music until the album's release. New Zealand Apple Music shows these [1].) Ss112 12:16, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah never mind then, kind of wish I live in New Zealand now... Have a good night :D Justiyaya 12:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Help on reviewing page edits, please?

Hey. I have recently made edits on pages involving Billboard's Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, it's archived lists of number-one albums, as well as Nas' album, Life Is Good and an unsure edit on an article about record and movie executive Lance "Un" Rivera. I have also redirect number one rap album lists to number one R&B/hip-hop album lists and move the R&B album article names without asking first. I don't know if I had all the edits right with the sources I added and some I noticeably forgot or couldn't find. Can you review those pages for me and see where I went wrong? Thanks and all due respect. Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 21:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@DBrown SPS: It looks fine to me. In future though, if you're unsure if what you've done is right, maybe seek others' opinions before doing it, or propose it on the talk page of a related WikiProject (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums would be your best bet) for other editors' opinions, as you might be causing a mess others have to fix up/partially or wholly revert after you've done it. Ss112 21:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: Thanks for the advice. Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 21:21, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Re: To The Moon

Hello Ss,

I apologize for not including sources: they are very few and far between for the song.

Regarding the independent release, this screencap from Spotify on December 20th shows the song was released independently ("Independent 2021" at the bottom of the page). If that's okay with you, I'll add it to my edit.

Regarding the lack of sources for the sample... I wasn't able to find reliable sources discussing it, apart from this page saying the song was "exclusively written" by Choi, which would *indicate* the sample was uncredited - but nothing concrete, so that's understandable to leave out.

Thank you for bringing up the issue. Toyota Impreza (talk) 11:25, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Toyota Impreza: There's no need, I've added the archived Spotify link to the article now. Thanks for finding a source. As for the credits, I'm aware Choi wrote his verses himself; I never disputed this. This was already on the article. Your edits came right on the heels of Kings1005's, and considering that editor is going around adding credits for somebody by the name of "Mercedes King" who is most likely themselves and not credited on Spotify for "To the Moon" or the other article they're trying to add the credit to ("Not in the Mood" by Fivio Foreign) and that your edit self-admittedly added unsourced information, I simply reverted to an earlier revision. Ss112 11:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't mean to argue you said that, just that the wording on that site could mean that the writer didn't see any other credited writers at the time (the page is from mid-December). That's all :) Toyota Impreza (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:US Rap Albums up for discussion

Hey. I am letting you know that I have placed Template:US Rap Albums up for discussion here. I did it because I felt that Billboard's R&B and rap charting system (both single and album-wise) are likely more consolidated together into an R&B/hip-hop rather than more separately in their own genre charting systems as they are somehow distillated. Join the discussion if you can. Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 02:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Album Cover Help

Hello, Ss112! Firstly, I'd like to say thank you for adding the cover art of Ribbon Around the Bomb, a page that I've created and been trying to expand. I'm not that experienced at uploading any pictures to Wikimedia and my attempts on doing so have been declined too many times so I'm glad someone finally adding the album cover art.

However, it's not the only page I'm trying to improve - I have several pages on my to-do list and one of them is new and hasn't had the album cover. It's the page Homesick, an album by the band Sea Girls. I'd really appreciate it if you could help me with that.

Thank you! Best. Chyntiaar (talk) 11:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry

I wanted to apologize for my behaviour on my talk page recently. I took issues in my personal life and projected them onto you in a nasty way, and that was completely inappropriate and undeserved. I'm sorry for that, and I'll be making sure to take a step back when I get worked up in the future. Sock (tock talk) 16:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sock: I appreciate the apology, but it's genuinely fine. Don't worry about it! Ss112 23:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Song deletions?

Hi Ss112, really random question but do you think the following songs by Mandy Moore meet the requirements for deletion as many of them have either very few sources or just no sources at all such as, Walk Me Home, So Real, Cry, Have a Little Faith in Me, Drop the Pilot, Senses Working Overtime, Extraordinary, Nothing That You Are, and I Could Break Your Heart Any Day of the Week. Pillowdelight (talk) 21:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: This seems like the wrong approach to take. As you appear to have been working on Mandy Moore topics for a while now, wouldn't you try to expand the coverage on these articles instead of looking to immediately delete them? "Walk Me Home" and "So Real" no. Why would you think a song that reached the top 20 in New Zealand in just outside the top 20 in Australia should have its article deleted? "Have a Little Faith in Me", "Drop the Pilot" and "Senses Working Overtime" are all cover versions. You could certainly say with the latter two articles that there's nothing in the section on Moore's version to explain why it's particularly notable over all other covers. "Extraordinary" and "I Could Break Your Heart Any Day of the Week" could be expanded but appear just on the right side of WP:NSONGS.

I would suggest though that instead of mostly blanking the content of a page like this that you just redirect it instead. Please don't leave an article mostly empty aside from an infobox if you feel it's not notable or that its citations do not support its content. I have redirected it properly. Ss112 01:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, I’m always still learning! I had just assumed that if a page doesn’t have much content that it could possibly follow through with being nominated for deletion. Much of info that I had deleted was heavily unsourced or was sourced with a source that wasn’t even remotely relevant to the single. I feel like a weirdo, I always reach out to you regarding music. Pillowdelight (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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BMTH discography

I've tried to add the UK Singles "Maybe" peak on the Bring Me the Horizon discography page in the featured section and it's kept on doing the same thing no matter how much I try to change and compare the two sections. I cannot figure it out at all. Do you mind if you can help to fix it please? I'd really appreciate it, thanks. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi

I tried to revert the article Unbroken (María Ólafsdóttir song). Which was a number one hit on Iceland. It has since been reverted back again. The article is short indeed, but in my opiniön a pretty clear notability. BabbaQ (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: I get the frustration, but none of the articles I restored were that short, so I'm kind of on the fence about it. I don't think Grk1011 should be reverting you restoring articles, so maybe ask Sergecross73 what he thinks (as you commented in the thread on his talk page that I started), or ask Grk1011 to not do this directly. It appears Grk1011 commented on your talk page earlier—responding to them there would be the first step. Ss112 17:34, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I was on the fence myself as well about the length of the article. In my personal opinion a number one is an number one. BabbaQ (talk) 17:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

• And now,Bones (Equinox song), N'oubliez pas and A Monster like Me has been reverted back again by some random editor who claims consensus. The ”consensus” has been refuted. BabbaQ (talk) 06:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

  @BabbaQ: Sumanuil is usually alerted to articles by deleted file names. I'd say that was the reason for their annoyance and reverts of you, so if you restore Eurovision articles in future, remove the deleted image file name from the infobox. I've alerted Sumanuil to this lack of current consensus now (User talk:Sumanuil#Eurovision articles being restored; and I agree, there never really was much of one in the first place) and that the original editors agree there no longer is a consensus, but you could just as easily have pointed this out to them on their talk page too. I've restored the articles. Ss112 12:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

2021 songs

I'm seeing now that Eurovision 2021 songs are now being redirected. What should we do, exactly? It seems like another mass redirect. Thanks again. Nascar9919 (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nascar9919: Would you be able to revert them? I've informed Sergecross73. This is unacceptable and should not have happened. Ss112 03:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Currently busy at the moment. Lots of 2020 and 2021s are being reverted. Thanks again. Nascar9919 (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nascar9919: OK, but please weigh in at Sergecross73's talk page, in the bottom thread. I've reverted them but this shouldn't be mine to do alone as you noticed it. Ss112 03:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Will do. Nascar9919 (talk) 03:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Long Live Montero Tour

Hi Ss112!

So the #REDIRECT - Long Live Montero Tour, is in the way because I have the draft article being ready to be an article. Is there a way to "merge" them? Or something? Also, I don't know where I had to write in... Okay bye!!!

JuanGLP (talk) 13:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@JuanGLP: I've moved it for you, but in future, you can ask at WP:RM/TR. Ss112 14:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: Oh okay. Thank you so much! I'm still new here, but thank you! JuanGLP (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Ss112, I know you want to keep this page quiet, but I wanted to make sure you got this message.

Thanks for the messages. When I first started editing wiki (some years ago now), I did so because I came across a lot of articles that either had outdated or missing information or "questionable"/unreferenced text and I thought I could improve the site by improving these articles. This has included adding older Australian chart positions from the Australian chart books, adding/updating Australian awards, and recently, adding new releases (this was to help you when you add the charts the following week). I come across and correct lots of errors (and, yes, the irony is not lost of me that I make errors too). I do my wiki editing as a way of unwinding from my day job. I like to think that I am improving information and I get some satisfaction from doing it. However, if what I am doing is not positive and my edits are being discussed by other editors, then my own self-awareness makes me ask "why am I doing it?" and "Am I making the site better?". I don't need to do this. As such, I think I'll retire and close this editing account. I do hope that someone picks up what I do, especially the Australian music awards and new releases each week and it doesn't fall away. Perhaps someone will and they'll be better than me and make less errors? perhaps they will, perhaps they won't. We'll see.

That all aside, thanks for all the work you do on this site, you do a great job. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 05:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: Toby, making typos/grammatical errors was not such a serious matter that you needed to retire over it. I was just wanting you to be a bit more careful with content you added as I was coming across said errors frequently. If this is genuinely what you want to leave over, I think you should reconsider. Ss112 05:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Compilation or Reissue?

Hey there’s a discussion going on on Mandy Moore on whether I Wanna Be with You should be a compilation album or a reissue, could you please, if you have time read the discussion and share your thoughts as I tried pinging you but ended up realizing you have pings turned off. Oops. [2] thank you! Pillowdelight (talk) 04:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

True North (A-ha album)

Hi Ss112 - I saw you redirected this upcoming album a couple of days ago, quite understandably as there doesn't seem to be any information beyond an announcement. The editor Z33k recreated the article the same day, under the incorrect name True North (A-ha-album) to get around the redirect. I was going to ask WP:RM to get it renamed, but I'm wondering if it might simply be better to have this deleted and keep your existing redirect... it's not a likely search term, and although I never saw the original article, I'm guessing this new one is a straight copy and therefore there's no history that will be lost. Any thoughts? Richard3120 (talk) 13:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@Richard3120: There was an original article? Didn't know that. If it was recreated the same day by Z33k at that title, then I'd say it probably is a copy and if this article is as good as Z33k can produce, then I'd say go ahead and nominate it for deletion or redirect it. It's been a while since I've seen one, but he has created album articles without any sources before, and I don't think the only sources on this being a link to the band's website (a primary source) and whatever Mediabiz is is much better. Ss112 17:22, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know that, sorry. The article history just shows that you redirected the original article, so I assumed you had seen it and found it wanting. The album's not out for another three months so it certainly fails WP:FUTUREALBUM. Richard3120 (talk) 17:57, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Crediting musicians on albums

Hey dude, so just wondered what your thoughts were with how we credit musicians? On Renaissance, when the The-Dream writes a song, he's listed in the credits as Terius "The-Dream" Gesteelde-Diamant however when I listed this it was changed to Terius Nash with the reason "this is his legal name, the name on ASCAP and the name he is most commonly known as when he writes songs. It doesn't matter what any sources like Apple, Music Booklet or Spotify say". Do you think there's a preference for common name? Or should we use the names how they appear in the credits for easier source attribution? >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 09:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1: I think we should probably go by what the credits state for that release if there's disagreement. In some cases I do think some variation/common sense should be applied, like if somebody has given a pseudonym and we know from sources that it's actually a well-known person, their most common name should be used and the use of the pseudonym explained in prose. Honestly, credits and how to present them is not something I really focus on on Wikipedia anyway. I would probably insist that his "The-Dream" tag be used in producer columns/fields, but writing credits maybe it doesn't matter so much. Ss112 09:31, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Date disambiguation suffices

Hi Ss112, just dropping by to let you know that I partially reverted your edit to BTS to restore the date disambiguation suffix. These are needed in articles that use short footnote references where there is more than one source with the same author list and year; removing it broke the links from the short footnotes to the corresponding sources. Unfortunately the error message that might have warned you about this is disabled because it generates lots of false positives. If you frequently edit articles using short footnote references you might like to install this script, which produces reliable error messages. There's more of a description of disambiguation suffices here. Best wishes, Wham2001 (talk) 14:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Paula (album)

Hi I just saw you reverted this edit [3] but per WP:OVER200 this still can’t be included as it’s over 200 positions. As my time here on Wikipedia, I don’t believe I have ever come across an album coming from any of ARIA’s album charts that exceeded past 100 as well. Pillowdelight (talk) 00:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I assure you there are hundreds out there; you clearly just haven't been looking at the same articles I do. As I noted, there are certain people who work at ARIA who are known to reveal below-100 data to people upon email request, and ARIA has occasionally noted as such too. For example, on their top 50 charts now, they will note the prior week's position of an album or song in the "last week" column if it jumps into the top 50 from below it (sometimes even far below the top 100). To address your initial message before you added onto it, that wasn't the reason you gave 11 months ago, and I'm well aware of that guideline, considering I've cited it thousands of times myself and was removing peaks below 200 before it was even a guideline (you'll notice in the original discussion deciding upon that, Richard3120 noted I was already removing ridiculously low Portuguese year-end positions). That being said, there are exceptions to every guideline, it's 207 (7 places below the threshold) and the commercial failure of Paula worldwide was widely reported on in news media as significant considering the highs of Thicke's preceding 'era'. Australia is a far more notable music market than the normal below 200 peaks you get on Wikipedia, like #2456 on the Portuguese year-end chart, which definitely isn't notable. Ss112 00:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright well I’m being honest as I’ve never come across a single albums charts from ARIA that have exceeded past the 100th position — I don’t want you to think that I’m lying or something. And as for you saying it took 11 months, I had just recently came across WP:OVER200 not too long ago. But I also have always been told that in most cases it needs to be coming from their databases regarding chart positions. Pillowdelight (talk) 00:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I believe you, I'm just saying they are cited in places on Wikipedia. That being said, any editor telling you chart positions need to come directly from the publisher's own website/sources is incorrect, because nowhere is this stated as a requirement. As long as it's a reliable news source and it's reporting that the data has come from the chart publisher/been revealed by them in some way, it's perfectly fine. Ss112 00:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Now if you don’t mind me asking some user had previously tried twice to include this on La Fuerza as well as in the charts. [4] which I had removed and now that I’m discussing this with you what do you think? I don’t believe any of their charts even have a digital albums chart, as well as Panama and Guatemala just seem random. I’m assuming there’s a possibility that the article is referring to the iTunes charts. Pillowdelight (talk) 00:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: That was my impression too, that the article is probably talking about the iTunes charts of Panama and Guatemala. While Portugal probably has a digital albums chart, I think if true and not just the iTunes chart this claim should come from the actual chart publisher (Billboard might have previously provided a Portuguese albums chart, but currently should be Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa). I'm honestly not aware of any other charts for Central American countries aside from airplay songs charts. Not sure Panama and Guatemala would even have enough of a developed recording industry association to publish albums charts, let alone digital albums charts. I'd say unless there's another more reliable source reporting on this other than some potentially dubious Polish source (how Polish media would know anything about the music charts of Central American countries is a mystery to me) then it should be left out. Ss112 00:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

This is such an odd question but I know you’ve been editing for 16 years it says but are you in the music industry? I’m just curious because you’re obviously very smart. Pillowdelight (talk) 01:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: Nope, just an enthusiast! Ss112 02:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Wow well you’re very smart on here that’s for sure. Is there a way you can fix my mistake on 3800 Degrees? I added the source twice, I noticed you typically add the ref name for repeated articles. I think I messed it up. I also did the same thing to Whoa, Nelly! with the New York Times article in the commercial performance Pillowdelight (talk) 02:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

If you don’t mind me asking for the UK chart position on Paula (album), it states it reached the 200th position but it’s not listed on the OCC website. This source doesn’t provide the company it charted on, [5]. I’m assuming maybe it’s refereeing to UKChartsPlus which handles charts positions below 100. But it’s recommended to avoid them per WP:BADCHARTSAVOID. Also is it okay to remove the 207th position on the charts for Australia as it’s still per WP:OVER200? Pillowdelight (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I explained yesterday why I believe this is an exception—every guideline has exceptions. It was covered in media as a significant commercial failure; it's seven places below 200 not say, number 441 or 2356, which should be removed; and the UK chart position is covered in The Guardian source. Can we move on now? Thanks. Ss112 00:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

ARIA Digital Charts

Hi Ss112, I remember a while ago on the Bring Me the Horizon song articles, "Teardrops" and "Die4U" where you removed peaks relating to Australian Digital Tracks. ([6]) The website where it appears, Top100Singles, as you said was a "blog" and you removed it for that reason which was fair enough. In recent months, I've been trying to find the actual ARIA peaks for these songs to no avail because they do not have that chart on the ARIA site, but to do more digging. I found this, ARIA Report It was said that the ARIA Report is what you subscribe to by paying an annual fee, but the sample they use for the report shows that the Digital Track charts do exist. [7] This gave me the hunch based on the blog site, that I'm not adding back in was adding all of this information in per their own copy of the weekly ARIA Report. I noticed that you were the one to add the Australia chart peaks for "Parasite Eve" and "Obey" by citing the ARIA Report, which also includes peaks in the Top 100 and not just the Top 50 which is standard on the ARIA site. This leads me to believe you are also one who's paid to receive the ARIA Report weekly by email. Due to the information of Digital Track peaks also being used on these reports, I wanted to ask you whether you could please check the supposed Digital Track peaks for "Teardrops" and "Die4U", possibly even "Strangers" (if that peaked) to corroborate what that blog site says and potentially add them back (per the ARIA Report) in as I have no way of checking this information. Thank you. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 17:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rockmusicfanatic20: I'll have a look and add them if I find them. Ss112 04:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I've just seen you've added them to those articles, thanks. It's much appreciated. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

What I’m really asking for

Can YOU add Sam to the best selling artist wiki page I would do but I’m afraid I might mess it up HengeBoy (talk) 13:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I counted everything TWICE in case you think I’m wrong, I can help provide the links if needed HengeBoy (talk) 13:29, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@HengeBoy: Then you should have made that clear in your message. Articles concerning the best selling music artists is not really my wheelhouse, and from what I've seen goes on there, it's a lot. There's a lot of disagreement about who and what qualifies. I don't think an editor can just say "I've tallied up all the artist's certifications and we should add them now", it would probably require discussion to add a new artist, so sorry, you might need to approach another editor for this. Ss112 13:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Sheesh!

Thanks for helping clean up "Sheesh!". Would you know how to determine if this song has achieved any certifications anywhere? Also, since you are interested enough in the subject to clean it up, please consider the issues at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheesh!.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: I edited the article as I saw Lil-unique1 respond to you that the song was not certified by the RIAA or any other organisation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs. While I know the song went a little viral on TikTok, I think as Lil-unique1 said, the lack of chart success should tell you it wouldn't have been certified anywhere. Ss112 04:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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Using Infodisc for certifications

Hi Ss112. Regarding infodisc, I am not aware of any discussion about the reliability of certifications from infodisc, that actually came to consensus. In my years here I have not seen a single case where infodisc certifications were incorrect, and sadly, they are the only source we have for certifications before 1994 (which might mean we want to use them only for certifications prior to that). If you feel strongly against using them, I ask that you hold on removing the certifications and start discussion. Keep in mind they are probably used in thousands of articles (I will give an exact number if needed). If this is the consensus that will be achieved, I will provide a full list of those articles to make removing them easier. Happy editing! --Muhandes (talk) 08:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Muhandes: I don't care that much to start a discussion on the reliability of certifications, but do you know the source for Infodisc's reporting of certification data prior to 1994? Where they were initially published for Infodisc to be taking them from? I'm confused as to why SNEP's database doesn't appear to have access to the data from before 1994 yet Infodisc does, considering SNEP have apparently been awarding certifications as far back as 1973. Even still, you know as well as I do "being used in thousands of articles" does not mean something should be used or done, and even if it were determined to be unreliable, I personally feel I have better things to be doing than spending my time removing Infodisc certifications from thousands of articles. A couple hundred, fine, but not thousands—that sounds something a bot should be programmed to do. Also, I'd prefer you not frame this as if I would even have some obligation to remove them all just because I removed it from one or two Led Zeppelin articles. All this being said, we should be clear about where Infodisc got the data from. Ss112 09:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I do not know from the top of my head where they got the certifications. They used to have some pages with explanation of their sources, but not speaking the language, I never deeply into it. I never claimed "being used in thousands of articles" is a reason something should be done. On the contrary, you know that I have taken upon myself more than once to fix thousands of articles. What I meant is that since it is used so prevalently, I believe we should handle it systematically. Have fun editing! Muhandes (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Does a website not clearly or at all telling readers where they got their data from not inherently dissuade you from using it? I think it should. I just visited the website and they don't state where SNEP made this information available. Ss112 09:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion either way. As I said, if you feel strongly about it, start a discussion. Muhandes (talk) 09:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Muhandes: You personally have no objections with using a source that doesn't tell you where it got its data from and that you presume is correct? Yikes. You 100% should as an editor, because how is this different from any website reporting on something as true but not showing its sources? I know you didn't originate using Infodisc but you're essentially defending its use. You say you've never come across an instance where Infodisc has been wrong about certifications, but have you even come across one other source reporting French certification data prior to 1994? It's easy to say they've never been incorrect if there is no other source talking about French cert data pre-1994. Ss112 09:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I follow the consensus, practice, and status quo, which for the last ~12 years has been that infodisc certifications can (and should) be used. I most certainly didn't start this practice, and since it aligned with other sources, I saw no contradiction in continuing it. I vaguely recall a page explaining the sources, but I may be mixing it with another website. What you say is not necessarily wrong, and the consensus may need changing. If it does, I'll be the first to help enforcing it, as I have been in the past. If you feel strongly about it... well, I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Muhandes (talk) 09:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Nobody having strongly enough objected to Infodisc's certification data does not mean there is a "consensus" to use it (let us not get into 'silence is consensus' and what that applies to et al). "Practice" and "status quo" have been proven to be wrong and change on this website, as I'm sure you're aware, so those being reasons for your continued use of it don't hold up. Also, to clarify, I feel strongly about replying to you on my talk page and telling you you should, as an editor, personally have an objection to using sources that don't tell us where they got their apparently official data from, not strongly enough (at least yet) that I want to facilitate and actively participate in a discussion about its reliability at a project talk page. There is a difference. That's all from me. As you said, happy editing. Ss112 10:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, for what it's worth, you convinced me not to add any more of these certifications, although I never was very active in adding them to begin with. Muhandes (talk) 10:11, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Whitney Houston sales

Hi, I'm just a normal editor here but may I ask which of the two is more reliable? Because someone is changing the sales of the album. And also they're using the first link to the list of best-selling albums and list of best-selling albums by women

They using this:

This is what I'm using: Deibu2007 (talk) 10:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

@Deibu2007: I don't see a problem with Voice of America being used, but in cases like this, you're going to get sources reporting different amounts for the same album. It's best to hash this out on the article talk page. I'd start a thread on either Talk:Whitney Houston (album) or maybe to get more traction as more users probably watch the main article, Talk:Whitney Houston. Ss112 11:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

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Email

Hey, just sent you an email. Lk95 (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Lk95: Replied. Ss112 12:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Noeasy

Hi Ss112, I found some of the text confusing; in the last paragraph of "Songs", I couldn't work out what "It was intended to convey a cohesive and solid appearance..." is supposed to mean in the context of a song, and I also moved a kind-of-irrelevant list in the second paragraph of "Commercial performance" into footnotes because I don't think a long list there helps the reader. Feel free to undo those if you wish. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 06:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

@Baffle gab1978: Thanks. I trust your judgement. I haven't contributed any substantial amount of prose to this or the other Stray Kids article (I only requested the copyedits), as a lot of the descriptions of the songs on these sorts of articles are copy-pasted machine- or manually poorly translated from Korean media that regurgitate record-label press releases to make manufactured idol music sound as if it were unique, revolutionary, or simply more special than it really is. Ss112 07:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, I thought poor translation might have been the case here. I've done a lot of music articles so I see this sort of thing quite often. Hyperbole is easy to deal with anyway, and some of the article was fine. Well, I'm too tired to go chasing copyvios now... I'll wish you happy editing and cheers, Baffle☿gab 08:19, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Ss112,

You created this page as a redirect, probably as part of a page move, and then another editor turned it into a draft article. But when it came time to delete the draft, Twinkle saw you as the draft creator which is why you received this message. This situation seems to happen more than you think it would. Hope you are well! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:37, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks Liz, but I'd say it happens at about the rate I expect it would, based on the amount of redirects I create. Ss112 01:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Whippy back?

I've getting a sense Whippy7 might be using IPs to bypass their block? They've done it before. Certain edits are popping up on album pages that mirror their edits exactly. Hope all is well with you! livelikemusic (TALK!) 17:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: Probably let Sergecross73 know. I wouldn't be surprised. Ss112 19:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I will definitely reach out, because since the block, at least two IPs have made the same edits they've been known to make. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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AfD for Naughty List

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I nominated Naughty List, which you originally created and last edited in August 2021, for deletion. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naughty List. I imagine you're familiar with that process, so I won't repeat the full language referring to it here. DavidLeeLambert (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@DavidLeeLambert: "Which you originally created"??? AshMusique created the redirect, and an IP editor made the content here. I don't know where you got the idea I created the redirect from. Ss112 16:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

RoundTeen

I found something far worse than the genre changes. He's been harassing Kirham, an admin on the francophone Wikipedia, who blocked him indef there as a possible UPE, on his page here: posting block notices, demanding he be unblocked, and deleting the page, as it seems you may have noticed.

That got him a month-long block. Daniel Case (talk) 03:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Black Honey

You have removed the tracklistings for the band's second and third albums. While the first album has its own Wikipedia entry, as yet the others do not, and it seems reasonable to include them in the main band article so that Wikipedia readers can identify which songs come from which album. RGCorris (talk) 10:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@RGCorris: Having track listings listed under an album goes against what should be listed in a discography section per MOS:DISCOGRAPHY (you'll note "track list" is not among the information listed as pertinent) and clogs up what should be able to be easily scanned. This is why most discographies that are formatted in this simple way do not have track listings for the albums in them (or if they do, should not, as sections with track lists for each release have been tagged as needing to be compliant with the MOS by a multitude of editors). You may be aware, but Wikipedia is not a directory nor an indiscriminate collection of information. Listing track lists on an article that is not solely about the album is getting away from the purpose of a discographical listing. If people want to know which tracks are on what album, the albums can have articles made for them (if they are notable), or you know, other websites exist. Ss112 11:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry and another discography abuser

Hi Ss112. I'm sorry that I had to respond negatively to both of your requests to watch over things. My personal/work life is overloading my time so I had to focus. I decided that I'll limit myself to updating BPI (weekly) and ARIA (monthly) certifications, resolving template usage errors and fixing/updating templates if required. If you need me for anything, ping me and I'll try to respond, or leave me a message at my talk page. I do intend to keep ping turned on, but I don't watch any pages proactively. Hopefully this will only be for a few months.

While I'm at it, I had this altercation with another editor who doesn't respect the consensus about adding certifications without peaks to discographies. If you find this interesting and you have the time, you might want to deal with Bring Me the Horizon discography and Babymetal discography. --Muhandes (talk) 12:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Oh yes, I've had to explain multiple things to Rockmusicfanatic20. Like you've said, they're editing against consensus. I might get around to editing BMTH's discography again, but explaining things to this editor has gotten tiring already. They seem to be very fixated on BMTH more than any other act—if this were more widespread on their part I think it'd be a more compelling issue. Ss112 13:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Redirect from Lostboycrow to Cheat Codes: why?

Hi Ss112,

Some time ago, you added a redirect from "Lostboycrow" to "Cheat Codes (DJs)". Could you explain your justification for this redirect? These two artists are not the same.

Cheers, Cgobat (talk) 23:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cgobat: I'm well aware the two artists are not the same. At the time, I thought it was appropriate to create redirects for artists pointing to the articles of an artist they've collaborated with, as a lot of users I was regularly coming into contact with were creating redirects like this as well. I've since learned from deletion discussions it's not, so I don't do so anymore. Ss112 04:05, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. Thanks for the reply! I think that deletion was the right move.

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Hi, I recently stumbled across something you said that is really irking me.

In your edit summary on Welcome 2 America dated 11:19, 6 August 2021, you stated that: "Prince Vault is literally a wiki anyone can contribute to and therefore fails WP:USERGENERATED."

You cannot make an account on PrinceVault, let alone edit.

Sorry about this, I just got really, whatever the word is and I felt like I had to correct you. thanks, Great Mercian (talk) 19:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Great Mercian: Clearly users could register and contribute at one point, otherwise what is this page history with multiple users contributing? I don't know how long it's been since the website worked (it doesn't work now), but it did at one point. It at least was a wiki that editors could contribute to, and I think that's a fair assessment. So what exactly are you correcting? That the website doesn't work now? That it hasn't allowed registration since you've known about it? That I was maybe only wrong about the word "anybody"? It looks like all of its information was contributed by multiple users who registered to the website—its users are random Internet users. It is a wiki-format website that users (at one point) could register to, or one that had limited registration open to a select few people, who then contributed information to it. It's not a news source, its users look like regular Internet users/fans claiming things about him, and thus still fails WP:USERGENERATED. Ss112 20:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, the website will most likely be back in a few days. Secondly, only 3 people contributed to the main page (which in of itself would have very few edits, it may have made more sense to pull up a general article). Thirdly, there is no create account button even on the snapshot you've sent. Fourthly, Editing is only for registered accounts (of which there's only like 20), therefore it would be impossible for anyone to edit besides those 20 registered users, of which only 2 are ever active, the wiki could be more accurately described as an online database. I think there needs to be a look into this. Great Mercian (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Great Mercian: I was having enough trouble getting the website to work using the Wayback Machine because all captures are (currently) showing errors, thanks. Are you trying to argue the website should be considered reliable? It is still a Wiki. It doesn't matter if it has two or 20 users, the users who contributed to it are not subject-matter experts. Subject-matter experts would be the only way we'd be allowed to use self-published material (which Wikis fall under) per WP:SELFPUB. They look like Internet fans of Prince who decided to collaborate on a wiki-database, so not a reliable source. If you are trying to argue we should be able to use the website as a source, my talk page is not the forum for this matter. I encourage you to go ask at WP:RSN if this still greatly concerns you (and it obviously does, as you brought up something from two years ago I really don't care that much about). To me it is inarguable that it is a Wiki contributed to by fans, and that rules it out per WP:SELFPUB. I'm not interested in continuing to argue with you about a source's reliability; go to RSN. Ss112 23:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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Should we capitalize certifications in the middle of a sentence?

Hi, how are you? I need your help. Do you know what are Wiki rules regarding capitalization of certifications in the middle of a sentence? Should we write Platinum or platinum? For example: "the album was certified Platinum" or "the album was certified platinum". I can't find it, and I see some articles using Platinum, others platinum. Max24 (talk) 16:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Max24: Since seeing WP:NMUSIC and Music recording certification don't capitalise the first letters of certifications, I don't anymore. I wouldn't go out of my way personally to decapitalise them on articles that do capitalise them but if I were writing an article I use lower-case letters per those examples. Ss112 16:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! :) Max24 (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Yellow (Brymo album)

Hi Ss112, I'd appreciate a response from you. In the article mentioned above, the last song on the album was removed altogether. The entire album was removed from streaming platforms recently but was reinstated a few days ago. I noticed that the last song "Abu Ya" was completely removed; this particular song was written, produced, and recorded entirely by Lindsey Abudei. Brymo stated on Twitter that the album's removal was due to Abudei's distaste for the way her song was used on the album. Should I remove that particular song from the track listing and remove all mentions of it from the article, or should I remove the song but keep the info about the song originally being on the album? I'm a little confused about the whole thing.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 21:56, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Versace1608: Much like "Do What U Want" by Lady Gaga being removed from Artpop following R. Kelly's charges/conviction, I'd say a note that the track(s) were removed from later editions or the streaming edition is probably the way to go. Especially considering it's been three years that it's been out and its commercial performance has peaked, so most people would presumably know the version of the album that has those tracks (that have now been omitted) included. Ss112 01:47, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Prince sources removed

Hello, normally I would not send messages here as your rules state, but I just felt like I had to comment about the recent removal of several of the sources across most of the Prince album articles. Guitarcloud features tons of research and interviews archived from other sources to gain information about the equipment he used, which is helpful when trying to dissect what he used on specific songs. Even if you choose not to incorporate Guitarcloud and Prince Vault back into the citations (and I personally didn't care for the latter one, that was there before I started editing), I would like to request that the other reliable sources you removed be added back as these are book citations which feature interviews and in-depth info as well. Otherwise, people will misunderstand the information as original information and remove it when that in fact is not the case.

Thank you for your patience. 2601:147:4700:B420:D871:5A59:1CA7:3495 (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

As IP editors cannot be pinged, even though I dislike splitting conversations, I have replied at User talk:2601:147:4700:B420:D871:5A59:1CA7:3495. Ss112 13:15, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Ballads of the Broken

Just a heads-up: Saving Country Music should not be used as a source, as it's a highly polemic self-published blog with no editors or fact-checking. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer: Fair enough. Has this been raised at a talk page somewhere/has it been added to a list of "sources that should not be used"? Ss112 21:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 362#Saving Country Music reached a consensus that Saving Country Music is not reliable. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for helping me with the article that I created for the article of the album A Gift & a Curse by Gunna. However, you forgot to redirect just one article for the last song, "Alright (Gunna song)". I just wanted to let you know and I appreciate the help! 172.58.30.218 (talk) 15:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

ARIA Report

Hi, I spoke with User talk:CAMERAwMUSTACHE. He said you might know something about where one could access the post-2019 ARIA Reports? I'm not trying to source them or anything. Would just be interested in seeing them. ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ipodnano05: Unfortunately, there's no public archive of them. ARIA changed when the chart data was released to the public (it was delayed by several days) and decided to make them subscriber-only, disallowing the Pandora Archive from archiving them. You can ask the user bulion on australian-charts.com, he may be willing to send them to you but four years' worth of reports might be a bit much to ask. Ss112 03:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh that's a huge ask. I wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone. But thank you very much for responding to my message. ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:51, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Eras Tour

Hi! I noticed you removed the bold in concert synopsis and I reverted it. I did not add the bold in the first place, but I thought it was good since it demarcates where the acts are in the prose. The acts were previously in a bullet point structure, but somebody else had converted it into a paragraph-style prose. I think we can break the rule here, as the bold helps in understanding the location of the acts, which form the whole point of the Eras Tour. ℛonherry☘ 11:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Article

The article about Ell & Nikki was redirected by someone without discussion today. The duo won Eurovision 2011, and had an impact on the charts in Europe and an own stamp in their country. I question why this was redirected, I thought I asked you for an opinion.BabbaQ (talk) 07:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: If you dispute the redirect of the article, revert the user who performed it and tell them to nominate the article for deletion. That would be the best way to go. But if Ell & Nikki are known for making one song together, it probably makes more sense to redirect the article to their only song or leave it to where it points now. Ss112 07:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Notification in de-WP

Hello, it seems like you did not receive my notification in the German Wikipedia. Could you please read this discussion (or just the small English part where I was asking you) about the new developments in this investigation and answer? Thanks. --Ali1610 (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ali1610: Not sure I can help, as that was 2009 and I did not (and still do not) possess Kent's book. I only added the information then because I knew the information to be in it. I've stayed away from adding much information from Kent's book since. You could approach Tobyjamesaus or Nqr9 as I believe they own the book. Ss112 01:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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File:Piri & Tommy - Froge.mp3.png

Hello. Firstly, I'd like to apologise for the mess. Secondly, is there a better name for the file? Such as File:Froge.mp3 by Piri & Tommy.png? It'll stop database reports from reading this file as one with a double extension. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 13:05, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Minorax: I didn't know that it was causing a database report. I think without the .mp3 is descriptive enough, so your initial move was fine. Ss112 13:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Is this right?

You made a bunch of disruptive edits on Religiously (song).

I don't think your the kind of user to vandalize. Could you explain your edits? ItsCheck (talk) 03:14, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@ItsCheck: Excuse me? There is nothing disruptive about any of my edits to that article. Rather, you should be explaining how any edits I made to that article (the last of which was four days ago, all adequately explained) were "disruptive" in the slightest. Ss112 03:43, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Chart question

Hey, I’m not sure if you can answer this or not, but is this correct [8] I have never come across something like this. I noticed you had a confrontation with the user previously. Just seems confusing on including an album chart on a single chart. Pillowdelight (talk) 22:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: Yes, it is correct. Gaon allowed the "Butter" single on the album chart. It's not the only example of them allowing a "single" to chart on their album chart. Carlobunnie and I have had our differences but there's no issue here. Ss112 03:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay just making sure, I’ve just never have come across anything like that before. Now I know. Pillowdelight (talk) 04:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully you’ll see this, but I opened up a discussion on The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill regarding the co/additional producers being removed from the infobox. If you’re able to could you please leave your opinion on the matter since you’re brilliant. Talk:The_Miseducation_of_Lauryn_Hill#Producer/writing_credits Pillowdelight (talk) 08:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I know nothing about that situation, sorry. It looks like a matter of opinion that I'd rather not get involved in. That's just something you and the other user are going to have to resolve. Ss112 08:41, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay, that’s fine. Thank you though. Pillowdelight (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

That IP

After reviewing Special:Contributions/197.87.0.0/16, I placed a three month anonblock on the range. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Editor not understanding

I do not know what the range is for this, but the user User:2600:4040:2CA3:4F00:9D47:3D67:836D:EA39 is making incorrect edits on Travis Scott discography. They are adding more than 10 chart positions and crediting other artists when they are not explicitly credited for that album, and continued to make the same edits after being reverted, to which I have reverted again. I think this needs admin intervention and a small block, but I do not know who to go to. Thank you for listening. 2607:FB91:991:E96:48AA:412A:7B41:9080 (talk) 19:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Oliver Anthony charted singles

Hi! You put in his article the year 2022 against one of his singles (in the table). You’re referring to year of release, right? This is quite important, as Billboard is saying that he hadn’t had any chart history at all before the latest charts came out, and while I don’t doubt what they’re saying, some might misconstrue the table data when comparing it to the "no previous chart history" statement. I’m wondering if it could be made a bit clearer? Thanks! Boscaswell talk 04:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Boscaswell: Maybe a footnote at the top of the column to explain it means year of release would help explain it? Ss112 06:55, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Ss112 I think that would work. Correction: that worked! Thanks. Boscaswell talk 07:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Short request

Sent you a mail if you're there. Lk95 (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

68.134.190.154

I suggest SPI. It's been too long since I've dealt with BC for me to be comfortable issuing a DUCK block. On a side note, I strongly suggest you disengage on their talk page. Nothing good is going to come of that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I had no intention of replying further on their talk page. I opened an SPI (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BlaccCrab). I'd appreciate if you endorsed it by replying there, because these things can stay open for two weeks otherwise. Also, I think I laid out how this is a DUCK case at the SPI pretty clearly—you don't need to remember BlaccCrab to see it's them. Ss112 03:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

For the record

Someone created your user page with "Please stop making unsourced edits. You alone do not get to determine what goes where." which obviously was meant to go here. I've tagged it with {{db-g6}}. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 23:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Ss112, I deleted your User page because it was clearly created by an inexperienced editor and not by you. But let me know if you want it restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Friendlyhelper9949

Seems as if this user is up to their same game they've been warned against. A clear case of WP:DUCK in their editing patterns and overall behaviour. livelikemusic (TALK!) 01:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: Are you saying they're a sockpuppet of a blocked user? If so, I can't work out which one. Ss112 01:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Not other than the IP edits they've made in the past, but they're continuing their editing behaviour which has been warned of them — removal of bonus tracks, artwork uploads, etc. It seems like this is going to become a major problem. 😕 livelikemusic (TALK!) 01:28, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: Would you be able to drop a note about them on Sergecross73's talk page? I think he's been keeping an eye on their talk page but not on their actual edits. Ss112 01:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I will definitely do that; they're conducting mass-edits with the same behaviour. This is getting borderline dangerous; their continued addition of "sources" that fail is baffling. livelikemusic (TALK!) 01:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks like they went back to the Victorious article and resumed the same edits... livelikemusic (TALK!) 12:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I think it’s time we open a SPI or something, because they’re back to their image-related edits, as well. They’re going even engaging in discussion—even when said discussion is being done in good faith. livelikemusic (TALK!) 23:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: I'd inform Sergecross73 one more time, and failing their final intervention, open an SPI then. I'll chip in at the SPI, but I haven't been keeping up with their edits apart from the few reverts I made last week—they're exhausting. Ss112 23:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I've indeffed them. No idea if they are socking. But between their editing history, the avalanche of warnings they have received, and the fact they have been blocked previously, apparently with no effect, it's time to move on. Courtesy ping livelikemusic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Ad Orientem! It is very much appreciated! And I was planning on it, Ss112 once I got online! Been working all-day in nine-hour trainings! livelikemusic (TALK!) 01:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Thanks for that. Ferret essentially confirmed they were a sock of EmeraldWicket9947 (the two-word+number name, the topics are all giveaways to me) at Sergecross73's talk page, but there was no CheckUser data so they didn't block them and suggested somebody open an SPI. Ss112 02:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

"Delresto (Echoes)" and "Meltdown"

I don't mean to bother you, but I have a question. Are "Delresto (Echoes)" and "Meltdown" the singles for Travis Scott's album Utopia? I ask you this because there's been debate about whether or not these songs should be classified as singles due to airplay on the radio or lack of airplay. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 03:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: "Meltdown" has been serviced to rhythmic radio and charted on the Rhythmic chart. To most editors on this website, radio is a basic factor for a song being a single. I don't know why you're disputing that it is a single. Ss112 04:05, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I guess my issue is that an editor didn't add a source to the article [9]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 04:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: I'd have to imagine that there would be a plethora of sources calling this a single that an editor could add. For "Meltdown" to be charting at a radio format seems pretty evident of its single status to me, even if I don't think a song needs to be serviced to radio to be a single in 2023. Ss112 04:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

These sources call the song a single [10] [11]; should I use them instead? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 04:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm the user that brought forth this concern. Can I add to the many albums that are missing singles which charted highly on radio charts, some even receiving music videos? I'll even find sources to match. 2601:1C2:1801:D80:118A:40A8:94CF:63F3 (talk) 04:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Kenya Grace

Hi, I'm sure I read that 'peak chart positions' tables are only supposed to have a maximum of ten columns. There's a comment on the article's talk page asking if one can be added. Could you chip in? Launchballer 13:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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Portrait of a Blank Slate

Hey, I saw you did major improvements to my Normal People Things draft. Is it alright if you do the same for the Portrait of a Blank Slate draft? I've been trying to find more sources, but I can not find that much more. I feel like someone with your talent could definitely help me improve it.

Here is a link to the history of the draft page: [12]https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Portrait_of_a_Blank_Slate&action=history NormalPeopleThings (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@NormalPeopleThings: About Normal People Things, I restored the page that was originally in mainspace, I didn't work on the draft that you started afterwards. As for Portrait of a Blank Slate, I don't think it's notable. It wasn't a single and didn't get a lot of coverage. I understand it received a music video but I'm not seeing really any usable sources on it so I think it fails WP:NSONGS. Ss112 02:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue

Hello Ss112, hope you are keeping well. I was wondering if you could perhaps have a look at the Kylie Minogue page. There is currently an on-going discussion about the weighted aspects of charted singles and what to include there. I think the editors would greatly benefit from your insights. Thanks! Karst (talk) 12:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Recent articles

How are you deciding which articles to create? In the past 24 hours, you've created seven that I was otherwise planning to make, including one simultaneously. There's no point in us duplicating effort or me assembling sources to find that you've already done it (or vice versa). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Koavf: Hello. I noticed the other day you had made an article on Sonic Youth's live album that I had watchlisted (but not made a redirect for, as I saw the mess of their live albums and put it off), which reminded me I had several bookmarks for Metacritic's current "top 100 albums of 2023" that I had been planning to make. As I had spare time, I've been getting to a few over the past few days. Apologies if that has been getting in your way. I guess we had the same idea? Ss112 23:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Exactly: as you can see, I have done the precise same in the past two days. And you in no sense "got in my way": you're a valued contributor here to album articles and we are probably two of the editors who make the most album articles around here. I'm very grateful for your work. Maybe great minds think alike? Thanks for all your constructive edits: I'm glad to have you doing this work as well. Let me know how I can assist you. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Genres

Hello! I've got a question regarding your revert of my edit. The AllMusic review describes "Ozone Scraper" and "Friend or Foe" (at least partly) as synthwave. A review by Glide does the same for "Ozone Scraper", "Time and Space", "Friend or Foe", plus "You Played Me" as a synthpop track. Doesn't that make it possible to add synthwave as as genre of Action Adventure? Ur frnd (talk) 22:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ur frnd: We should generally try to find descriptions that describe the album as a whole. I don't doubt that a substantial part of the album is synthwave/pop but I think a better description is needed per WP:EXPLICITGENRE. Ss112 00:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

52 (album series)

Thanks for your copyedit on this article! I have reverted your edits unintentionally. You did capitalization formatting on the song titles (such as un-capitalizing "a" "from" etc.). However, I found this artist capitalizes every word (similar to that trend right now where artists capitalize none of them). I capitalized every word thinking I didn't notice this, but I did a little bit; you had recently changed it prior and I redid it without knowing you touched it. Is there a rule that we follow where we override their formatting and do what's proper grammar, or leave it how they do it? Panini! • 🥪 18:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Panini!: MOS:CT. I don't really think capitalising the first letter of every word is a stylisation choice like the trend to render everything in lowercase, it's just because artists and plenty of sources don't care to or have our guidelines on decapitalising prepositions and conjunctions in the middle of titles. Ss112 00:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Year-end charts

Hi. I have added some year-end charts to some albums. There are some more songs and albums that need it done, and they are a lot. I was wondering if you could help me to get it done faster. Thank you! 23.134.91.238 (talk) 03:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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