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ANI defamation case

Some of you might know that Asian News International (ANI) is suing Wikipedia in the Delhi High Court for defamation. The first hearing was on 20 August, which doesn't seem to have been covered in the press. Now we learn that the High Court ordered Wikimedia to divulge the identity of the editors within 2 weeks, and when Wikimedia failed to comply, held it in contempt.[1] If anybody knows what happened in the 20-August hearing, please let me know. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. What is ANI? There used to be a UNI, or was it UPI, or both? Any connection? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
UPI is American. My bad. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
I expanded the name above and added a wikilink. See also WP:RSPANI.
An earlier article in The Indian Express points out that ANI is treating Wikipedia as a "social media intermediary" (like twitter, for example), which is just a "transmitter" of information.[2] That means that the editors who wrote the content are the original "authors", the real targets that ANI intends to sue. Wikimedia looks like it is out of depth in figuring out the Indian law. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:) Presumably, these editors have cited sources for said content. What did the court say about the cited authors, especially if they are Indians? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
I guess the case hasn't gotten to that point yet. That is why I am asking, what happened on the 20th August hearing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
On the hearing held on August 20, 2024, in the ANI defamation case against Wikipedia, the following key events took place:
Wikimedia's Appearance: Representatives from Wikimedia appeared in court. ANI contended that Wikipedia had not disputed the involvement of three individuals, who were also defendants in the case, in editing the contentious content.
Court's Directive: The Delhi High Court directed Wikimedia to disclose the subscriber details of the three individuals involved in the case within two weeks. This information was demanded because ANI had accused Wikipedia of defaming them by allowing edits that labeled the news agency as a "propaganda tool" of the Indian government.
ANI's Complaint: ANI reinforced its claim that Wikipedia was permitting defamatory content and sought ₹2 crore in damages along with the removal of the alleged defamatory statements.
Contempt Petition Filed: ANI filed a contempt petition against Wikipedia for not complying with the court’s earlier order to disclose the required information.
In other words : Wikimedia Foundation was ordered to present a representative in court due to their failure to provide the requested subscriber details of individuals involved in editing ANI's Wikipedia page. Wikipedia's legal team argued that the platform's content is created and managed by volunteer editors and that they do not interfere directly with edits. However, the court was displeased with Wikipedia's non-compliance and delay in submitting the required information. Justice Navin Chawla warned that continued non-compliance could result in the platform being blocked in India. The words were "I will impose contempt...It is not a question of Defendant No 1 [Wikipedia] not being an entity in India. We will close your business transactions here. We will ask the government to block Wikipedia...Earlier also you people have taken this argument. If you don’t like India, please don’t work in India." The court issued a contempt notice to Wikimedia and directed a representative to appear at the next hearing scheduled for October 25, 2024​ DangalOh (talk) 00:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Source please? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Information is available through multiple Indian news sources. I just summarised it. However, if you are referring to "the sources" that Wikipedia deems infallible and most reliable, I am not certain. The objective here is not to introduce this material into Wikipedia with citations to further any agenda. The intent was simply to inform. Whether one chooses to believe it or not is not my concern; that responsibility falls on Wikimedia and the editors involved. This issue extends beyond ANI; it affects all Indian news sources that do not align with leftist, globalist, or Islamist ideologies. Funnily enough, ANI is labeled as a propaganda tool for the Indian government, regardless of whether it's the BJP or Congress in power. It's even a further step towards an anti-India bias, not just anti-right wing. Notably, the primary source used to defame ANI was Alt News, run by Mohammed Zubair. Unfortunately, I do not have Alt News reporting on this matter. Whether you choose to accept this information or not is entirely up to you; it is not my concern. If you have any other contradictory information from 'most reliable' sources, then please share or i would request you to at least give some benefit of the doubt. DangalOh (talk) 08:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

For reference, here is the link to Delhi HC - https://delhihighcourt.nic.in/court/dhc_case_status_list_new?sno=1&ctype=CS%28OS%29&cno=524&cyear=2024 - Case Type CS(OS) (or CS(OS) - S), Case number - 524, Year - 2024. It was not immediately clear to me who the defendants 2, 3, 4 (WP Admins as stated in the order) are. Does anyone know where to lookup?

Also, direct links to orders: 9 July 2024, 20 August 2024 — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

The names of defendants 2, 3, and 4 in the ANI defamation case against Wikipedia were not publicly disclosed in the available reports from August 20, 2024. However, it was noted that these three individuals were involved in making the contested edits on the Wikipedia page of ANI, and they are subject to a court order requiring Wikipedia to disclose their subscriber details. ANI contended that these individuals were not administrators on the platform, which led to the Delhi High Court ordering Wikipedia to reveal their identities within two weeks. DangalOh (talk) 09:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
The case was listed yesterday (case history link) but the order is not (yet?) available (link). Is there an update from yesterday? — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 09:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
There has been no specific update on the order from the September 5 hearing that I am aware of as of now. The developments I initially mentioned to Kautilya are the latest updates, especially Justice Navin Chawla's vocal warning. I will keep my eyes and ears open. This situation could seriously escalate. I would personally hate to see Wikipedia get banned in India. India has the largest English-speaking population in the world, especially as a second or third language. A ban could affect access to a valuable source of information for millions, and it would certainly impact Wikipedia’s presence in one of the largest user bases in the world. I don’t know if it will affect Wikipedia Hindi as well. Only time will tell. DangalOh (talk) 09:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
India certainly won't be the first to censor Wikipedia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes, but India banning Wikipedia would seriously be impactful. Most of the countries that previously censored Wikipedia are not even English-speaking. We are talking about one of the biggest user bases of Wikipedia here. The impact will be felt if such a scenario occurs.
Unlike other countries that have restricted Wikipedia, India is not only one of the largest contributors in terms of users but also generates a significant amount of content, including in multiple regional languages. This would create a ripple effect, especially on the availability of regional knowledge and the diversity of perspectives online. DangalOh (talk) 05:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
ANI contended that these individuals were not administrators on the platform, which led to the Delhi High Court ordering Wikipedia to reveal their identities within two weeks. I'd be curious to see what the reasoning there was. Why is it relevant whether the editors were administrators or not? jlwoodwa (talk) 08:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
I suppose you mean the comment in OnManorama?[3]
Since we don't have news coverage of what happened on 20 August (which is itself quite suspicious), the newspapers have been trying to reconstruct what happened on that day. This one is ANI's version of what happened. I guess that the ANI's meaning of "administrators" is Wikimedia-appointed staff, not "administrators" in our sense. All members of the community would be "volunteer editors" from a legal standpoint, and they would need to represent themselves in case of a legal suit.
I will try to find some right-wing commentaries on Wikipedia which give us an idea of how they think.-- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Post them here if you find some — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Couldn't find any reputed articles opinionating on Wiki by reputed right-wing circles like RSS and VHP, but few organisation (Hindu Raksha Dal for example) are of the opinion that Wikimedia foundation is a CIA front etc... VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 09:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
The crux of the case as far as I could read is that the editors did not quote proper sources and other citations while doing so. If they did, the defamation case would have been against the source rather than Wikipedia. It is always advised to edit Wikipedia by citing proper reliable sources rather than framing the self-made opinion of the editors themselves. The job of the editors is to culminate the information available across various platforms and put it together so that readers can obtain it in one place. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 08:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't think so. The sources are fine. ANI is trying to portray the article as representing Wikipedia's own "opinion", and, so far, the Delhi High Court is siding with it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
This is what every anti-Wikipedia person in India does, especially when it’s related to the BJP. They don’t look at the sources; they just accuse Wikipedia of making things up. But they actually know that Wikipedia cites sources—they just refuse to acknowledge it. Because, their motive is always to discredit Wikipedia’s name. GrabUp - Talk 11:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

It follows from the comment defendant no.1 submits that they have no connection with defendant nos.2 to 4 (20 August order) that the defendants 2 to 4 would need to appear before the court themselves. What exactly is the legal status of English Wikipedia? DougWeller, do you know? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

You probably pinged the wrong @Doug Weller account — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 17:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes. As this Wikipedia is part of the Foundation they are suing them. I can’t imagine they would reveal any names. That would set a terrible precedent. They haven’t revealed no names before. Doug Weller talk 17:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
If that happened and they disclosed the name, it would be a really big issue for Indian editors. Others might also start filing cases, such as OpIndia, for writing that it spread ‘fake news’. The interesting part is that the editors who added that part may have left Wikipedia forever, and one day, the court could come to their door, saying, ‘Go to jail or pay a fine.’ GrabUp - Talk 17:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
It is highly unlikely that Wikipedia will disclose any real names, and I seriously doubt whether Wikipedia even possesses the actual identities of the individuals involved. What could they potentially share? IP ranges, fabricated usernames, or random email addresses, which are not even required for creating new accounts these days. In the rare event that Wikipedia does decide to share IP addresses or ranges (which is highly improbable), a legal notice to the ISP would be necessary to obtain the exact subscriber details tied to the specific IP address at the time of the edit. If the individual was using a VPN service, however, this would significantly complicate matters, making identification nearly impossible.
Moreover, Wikipedia is known for its staunch commitment to protecting user privacy. In this case, it is likely that Wikipedia itself, rather than the individual editors or even the sources cited, would bear responsibility considering wikipedia wont reveal anything. As I understand Indian law, Wikipedia, as an intermediary, is primarily accountable for what transpires on its platform — whether it concerns the sources its community deems reliable, those it disqualifies, or how it handles users who revert edits to a preferred version or block dissenting views. This also includes the types of communities it allows to flourish within itself and which it systematically restricts. My understanding is that the issue here, compared to platforms like X (formerly Twitter), is that users on Wikipedia are often exposed to a single narrative, with certain viewpoints censored to push specific agendas (referred to as POV pushing in Wikipedia’s terms). You even have to adhere to a NPOV, based on sources that are more or less ideologically similar, as many sources from the other side are outright dismissed as unreliable by the community or removed by mob rule (coincidence that only one side is most of the time considered correct?). The fact which makes wiki more important is that Wikipedia, unlike X, is an educational platform involved in shaping future minds. This does not bode well for Wikipedia’s operations in India. They may be required to pay fines to continue their operations, or possibly face some form of a ban.
However, I doubt that any individual editor will be identified. What if the editors are foreign nationals? Will they face restrictions on entering India, as was the case recently with a British-Indian writer who was barred from entry? Only time will tell. Wikipedia may be reverting to its roots. It was initially meant for Western audiences, and it might end up being read only by Western audiences in the end. And I suppose that's fine. DangalOh (talk) 21:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Funnily enough, when I clicked on this section, I was actually expecting it to be about defamation on WP:ANI. That poor acronym… jlwoodwa (talk) 08:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
  • And now... Netflix[4] What is going on with ANI? — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 10:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
    This is the one that I find funny - ANI complaining about someone using third party material, which they quite frequently do themselves. "PTI advocate Rajshekhar Rao said that there was “no apology needed” and that the video was a third party content. He said that it is “a case of pot calling the kettle black”. Media lawfare. Ravensfire (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Delhi High Court cautions Wikipedia for non-compliance of order, The Hindu, 5 September 2024.
  2. ^ Khadija Khan, Why has ANI slapped a defamation case against Wikipedia?, The Indian Express, 11 July 2024.
  3. ^ Don’t like India? Don’t work here: Delhi HC warns Wikipedia after non-compliance in ANI case, OnManorama, 5 September 2024.
  4. ^ "Indian news agency ANI sues Netflix for using its content in hijack drama". Reuters. 9 September 2024. Retrieved 9 September 2024.

Women in Green's October 2024 edit-a-thon

Hello Noticeboard for India-related topics:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 11:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Port Blair

The official name of Port Blair recently been changed to Sri Vijayapuram. As usual, we have IDs and IPs changing the common name in various articles (I got to know from Andaman and Nicobar Islands), including two attempts at moving it to Sri Vijayapuram (and another iteration), both of which I reverted citing WP:RMUM, undiscussed unilateral moves. Hoping, people here will keep a tab at it. Pinging @Arjayay, Gotitbro, Ekdalian, Kautilya3, Ravensfire, and GrabUp: among other. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Another Allahabad problem surfaces. If the powers that be have a go at Renaming of cities in India#Proposed changes be ready for a regular occurence. Gotitbro (talk) 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Facepalm Facepalm Exactly Gotitbro. Also people, see [2]. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Remind the editors about WP:NAMECHANGE, expecially "When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable, English-language sources ("reliable sources" for short) written after the name change." and ask them to help show that this has been done. Clearly local media would be doing this, but also India-wide and international media as well. Ravensfire (talk) 15:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
You must be joking, right? TrangaBellam (talk) 14:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
And don't call me Shirley Ravensfire (talk) 15:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Port Blair#Requested move 13 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Port Blair#Requested move 13 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ravi Modi - Need help (article is eligible or not)

Hi, I would like to get some clarity regarding the article Draft:Ravi Modi as it has been declined 5 times. The article was made live once and later it was removed from livespace to draftspace. Please check the history for content. The current version which is rejected is the full content version. The reason I am mentioning it here is because it was again guided by Live Chat as help. I get full support from Live Chat & they have done with fact-check as well for the Forbes article which was released in the print version as well. Request to check the article and suggest whether it is eligible to create an article or else I will drop the plan. This is my last resort. Read many Wiki pages, notability, perennial sources, etc. I am getting mixed reviews that's why not feeling well. -- VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 18:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @VKG1985, I read the Draft: Ravi Modi, and I have some thoughts. I typed in "Ravi Modi Vedant Fashions" in google and had a quick look. Ravi Modi seems to be somewhat notable. It does look like there is some coverage of him in reliable secondary sources. However, some of those sources look promotional. My advice, looking at the draft of the article and googling him, it is obvious Ravi Modi is notable for his success in business, therefore you should expand the section on his career. You can add more notable information and then reference the information with other reliable secondary sources. Make sure these sources do properly cover him though (see: WP:SIGCOV). MohReddy (talk) 20:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks MohReddy, I have searched as guided & made changes accordingly. Have submitted for review. -- VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 18:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Team, I added WP Discrimination and WP Terrorism project in Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, but, User:Rasnaboy has removed it citing there has been an discussion that took place last month in the Talk:Narendra Modi#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discrimination. Their I noticed @Abecedare: said that he is against removing these projects' templates systematically from all wikipedia article talkpages. @Rasnaboy has already removed wikiprojects (discrimination, terrorism, crime) from the some the articles which are mentioned in the talk page of Narendra Modi. My argument is there has been no consensus on removing these projects from all articles particularly related to BJP-RSS-Hindutva. But, @Rasnaboy has been systemically removed it from all these related to BJP-RSS-Hindutva. Moreover, article like Violence against Muslims in independent India, Violence against Christians in India, Hindu terrorism point out that right-wing Hindu organization who follow Hindutva / Hindu nationalist ideology are the main culprit against minorities in India. Shouldn't we go on a case by case basis rather than going all hog. Some of the WP projects are in active or semi-active status hence editors who are member of these projects can help do collaborative editing and contribute to these articles. WP Discrimination was in an inactive mode but now it is in semi-active mode. So editors who are members of these projects can contribute to these articles. And even if the project become inactive in future they might become active so new editors who become members of such project can contribute. And what is interesting is if you read the articles of organizations who follow the ideology of Hindutva / Hindu nationalism have commited some heinous crimes against minority communities in India and they're well sourced. I would like to know view from some of the experinced editors @Vanamonde93: @Doug Weller: @RegentsPark: @Fowler&fowler: @Valereee: @C.Fred: @S Marshall: @Girth Summit:. Thanks 2409:40E0:44:FEF6:C02D:6A0A:B8C4:D3EB (talk) 05:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Both of those WikiProjects are inactive. What's the benefit of adding them to this article's talk page?—S Marshall T/C 07:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
    Hi @S Marshall: WP Discrimination Project is in semi-active status; earlier it was in inactive status. WP terrorism is inactive right now, but in the future it might be in active mode. WP Crime is a very active project. Point I'm making is that if WP projects are added, even if they remain inactive, semi-active, or active, editors who are members of such projects will be able to contribute to the respective articles, and if WP projects aren't added, then members won't be able to contribute to these articles. Today if some projects are inactive tomorrow they might be in active mode. New editors who have interest in these projects will contribute to these articles. Moreover, in the main article, the discriminatory action against the minority community is clearly mentioned, and they are well documented and well sourced. Hence, adding such WP projects won't be a waste; rather, it will be beneficial for such articles.--2409:40E0:55:459B:111D:B737:4409:CDA2 (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
    Are you adding those Wikiprojects to attract editors interested in improving the pages? Or are you adding them because you think that by listing Wikiproject:Terrorism, you are somehow tarnishing the image of the RSS? The latter isn't appropriate; the former seems to be a bit of a stretch. I personally could not care less which Wikiprojects are represented on the talk, but edit-warring over it is silly. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
I defer to the superior wisdom of all the others you have pinged. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Hi @Vanamonde93: How come adding WP projects can tarnish someone's image? It is an utterly ridiculous argument. The purpose of the WP project is where editors who are members of such projects would be able to contribute to the articles; their purpose is to add value. Moreover, I'm not adding anything unrelated projects, considering the article where heinous crime has been properly described, particularly where discrimanatory action and crime have been described. WP Discrimination and WP Crime can certainly be added; WP Terroism can be debatable. Thanks--2409:40E0:5F:620F:45E:A913:769F:E328 (talk) 06:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
    If other editors aren't objecting to my proposal, then I will add WP Discrimination and WP Crime Project to the respective Hindutva-related articles. And in articles where right-wing Hindu organisations are involved in terrorist activities, then WP Terrorism, I will add. Sir you can also share your views. @Jimbo Wales:. Thanks & Regards--2409:40E0:1002:F56C:D5EF:D258:716F:AD97 (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
    I think the IP user is missing the point regarding WikiProjects. Going by the logic of the IP user, they should also add, for example, WP-discrimination in several Indian parties articles such as Indian National Congress article (because we have well-sourced section on dynasticism), WP-corruption in Trinamool Congress, Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam Party and their members (we have sourced claims in these articles), WP-Terrorism in Tablighi Jamaat or Hamas, and so forth. Doing these is akin to adding WP-Hinduism in Narendra Modi article (see Talk:Narendra_Modi#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discrimination), again per the IP user there. While similar articles like Muslim nationalism in South Asia do not have WP-discrimination (or other WPs), and even the talk pages of articles like Hamas insist in using these terms with care/avoiding per policy, the IP user(s) appear to conveniently ignore these in Hindu nationalism-related articles. As User:Vanamonde hinted, that'd only appear as the ulterior intention of the editor to tarnish the image of the person/party/organization. It now appears like POV-pushing to me. Rasnaboy (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Rasnaboy: First of all, the WP-Corruption project is a dead project; forget being in an inactive status. So there is absolutely no point in adding a project; however, if you want to add a dead project, then go ahead. Secondly, in the Hamas article, the WP Crime and WP Terrorism Project has been added. Please check carefully. And dynasticism can't be called discrimination because in India most political parties are dynastic, including the BJP. Articles like Violence against Muslims in independent India, Violence against Christians in India, and Hindu terrorism point out that the right-wing Hindu organisations that follow Hindutva or Hindu nationalist ideology discriminate against the Muslims and Christians. There are countless academic sources that state that clearly. By the way, adding a WP project is not pushing POV; it is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. I don't need to explain the purpose of the WP Project; I have already said it several times. Check Nazi Party article WP Discrimination is added, because it has systemically discriminated against the Jews that has been described in the main article, whereas in India BJP/RSS/Hindutva systemically discriminates against the Muslims and Christians. You're pushing a pro-Hindutva agenda in spite of knowing the real truth. Read the articles that I have mentioned over here. All academic sources point out that right-wing Hindu organisations that follow Hindutva/Hindu nationalism idealogy are real culprints against the minority community in India. Having said that, don't get confused by the real Hindu organisations like Ramakrishna Mission or International Society for Krishna Consciousness or Yogoda Satsanga Society of India or Sri Aurobindo Ashram. These organisations have done extraordinary service; they don't promote hatred against minority communities, i.e., Muslims or Christians. Some of the activities of ISCKON have attracted criticism, which has been mentioned on their website, but they don't directly propagate hate against the minority community, whether it is Christians or Muslims. Thanks--2409:40E0:1029:9571:45D6:F543:984D:272D (talk) 12:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Are you for adding WP-discrimination in analogous articles like Muslim nationalism in South Asia? It's not just about that article but all the related articles. The Hamas page is just for citing the policy. WP-Terrorism should be added in articles like Hindu Terrorism or Tablighi Jamaat but not in others. Please do not add without reaching consensus with other editors on the talk page or at the discussion at Talk:Narendra_Modi#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discrimination. Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 03:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
You're bringing irrelevent topics in between. Don't digress from the main issues, we're discussing about BJP/RSS/Hindutva and their discriminatory ideology and crimes some of the right-wing Hindu organizations have done. Don't try to push your pro-Hindutva agenda / narrative over here. Thanks--2409:40E0:E:9754:1CC8:CEEB:637F:99F9 (talk) 13:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Dear IP user. As you can see, we're only discussing and no one agreed yet. Please stop adding without consensus. First obtain consensus as to what to add and what not to add for every nationalism-related article (not just Hindu nationalism). It's ironic to see your logic to add "Discrimination" WP in articles is itself discriminatory. Rasnaboy (talk) 01:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Removal of content by W170924

W170924 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Could someone with time investigate the removals by the user? I don't think they're warranted, atleast one of them — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

They don't seem like a new user to me. Ratnahastin (talk) 08:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
...probably should be reworded per sources — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Please give them any appropriate warnings. That will help. Doug Weller talk 09:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Sheikh Hasina#RfC about Indian interference in the lead

Sheikh Hasina, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Gotitbro (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident - photo and name of the victim on the article

Hello, there's an ongoing [rfc|https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:2024_Kolkata_rape_and_murder_incident#RfC:_Name_of_victim] at 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident about if the victim's name should be included. Your participation there would be helpful and appreciated. the article on 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident states the name of the victim and the puts up the photo of the victim. As you may know the Indian law is clear on the issue that indetifying information of sexual crime victims and survisors cannot be published. I tried to explain that to the editors but they have come back with WP:Notcensored, I tried explaining that noncensored does not mean that we will actively go against the law, we need to weigh in the benefits and the potenatial harm and reach a consensus through meaningful discussions etc. There is a RFC going on at [3] may I request you to please weigh in. Legaleagle86 (talk) 10:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

When you're asking for outside input, please leave a neutral message inviting them to the discussion. This is not neutral and violates WP:CANVASS. Ravensfire (talk) 13:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Please let me know which part of my post violates neutrality. I have explained my position and have asked for the editors' views. I did not ask them to vote in favour of one side or the other. 16:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC) Legaleagle86 (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
And you presented it with your view being pushed. That's not neutral. Simple as that. Read WP:CANVASS. What should have been done is something like "There's a discussion at 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident about if the victim's name should be included. Your participation there would be helpful and appreciated." And stop. That's neutral - your aren't presenting your arguements at all which is what you did. Short post, here's what the topic is, here's where it is, ask for participation. Done. Ravensfire (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
In light of the recent consensus reached regarding the handling of victim names in the 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident, I believe it is essential to establish a norm for similar cases, including the 2019 Hyderabad gang rape and murder case. Given the sensitive nature of such incidents and the potential distress caused to survivors and their families, it is crucial for Wikipedia to align its policies with cultural norms and legal requirements in India.
Section 228A of the Indian Penal Code prohibits the disclosure of a rape victim's name, and the recent discussions highlight a strong community sentiment favoring the exclusion of victim names to respect privacy and cultural sensitivities. I propose we create a guideline that explicitly states the approach to be taken for all articles related to incidents of sexual violence in India, ensuring that we prioritize ethical considerations and legal compliance. This would not only uphold the dignity of victims but also reinforce Wikipedia's commitment to ethical reporting.
I invite all editors to weigh in on this proposal and discuss how we can best implement such a norm moving forward.I.Mahesh (talk) 01:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Hindu University of America

User:Presearch asked me to raise attention to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindu University of America (2nd nomination), so, hereby. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Article about a letter of the Sindhi language

I've had a go at creating an article on جهہ, a letter of the Sindhi language. However, my knowledge of this topic is poor, and the article leaves much to be desired. Does anyone here know this topic well enough to improve this article, or can you point me to a better forum for asking this question? — The Anome (talk) 08:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

For the interested. If you have an opinion, please share. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hindu American Foundation

Editors are requested to take a look at Hindu American Foundation and ensure compliance with NPOV. I do not see any violations of the policy but as the primary author of the article, I might be biased. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 11:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Quality images of Zanskar on Commons

I've posted 300+ Quality Images of Zanskar from my trips in 2022 and 2024. The images are categorised by monastery, etc. I hope these will be useful in Wikipedia articles on Zanskar, Ladakh and the Himalayas. Tagooty (talk) 04:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Maratha Confederacy#Requested move 24 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maratha Confederacy#Requested move 24 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 03:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Removal of vandalism from article ‘Chozhia Vellalar’

Hello,

I'm writing to ask if it would be possible to intervene on the ‘Chozhia Vellalar’ article to restore it (or modify it, depending on your assessment) to the state it was in before its last vandalism. In the meantime, I've asked to protect the article, leaving it untouched. However, as I'm not authorised to modify protected articles, I can't retouch it subsequently. So the article is still in its vandalised version (oldid=1249691125; contribution by the user Anirudhahalarama). If it would be possible to restore it to the last previous version, or if you would like to edit it again, I thank you in advance.

Drusekoana (talk) 19:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation

I've created this, but nearly all sources were behind a paywall for me, so much of it was created using the first paragraphs of sources. If anyone has access to the sources, expansion or correction would be great. For instance, I have no idea whether that's the actual name of the lawsuit, so I just used a typical US lawsuit title format. Thanks for any help! Valereee (talk) 18:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and if you'd rather just email me the text of the sources, happy to do the work myself. Valereee (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
@Valereee: I have sent you an email. GrabUp - Talk 19:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Valereee (talk) 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
@Valereee: See [4], the name of law suit is "ANI MEDIA PVT. LTD. Vs. WIKIMEDIA FOUNDATION INC & ORS." Ratnahastin (talk) 23:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! I guess I won't move the page there, but maybe a redirect? Valereee (talk) 15:03, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Redirect seems like a good idea to me. Ratnahastin (talk) 06:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Ahmad Hasan Dani

Ahmad Hasan Dani has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Santhosh Suvarna

Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at Santhosh Suvarna? I don't know if there is a specific WP:SNG that covers professional poker players, but this article was created directly in the mainspace and doesn't ever seem to have been assessed. It also looks like an attempt to WP:COATRACK content about two professional poker tournaments instead of just focusing on one particular player. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

thenortheasttoday.com?

We have a number of articles which cite articles from thenortheasttoday.com, for example Operation Bluebird. That domain no longer exists. However, I see there is a https://www.northeasttoday.in/. Is it possible these are the same publication under different domain names? RoySmith (talk) 14:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Supreme Court has dismissed the allegations against Isha Foundation

Since Wikipedia aims to present facts impartially, I respectfully request a review of the “Isha Foundation” article for neutrality and overall quality. In my view, the current representation of several allegations throughout the article lacks proper context regarding potential vested interests from certain groups that are not offering genuine criticism but rather inventing controversies to harm Isha Foundation.0nelight505 (talk) 22:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Deletion discussion on Akali Sahib Singh Kaladhari

The page Akali Sahib Singh Kaladhari is currently the subject of a deletion discussion here. If you can assist in improving the page please do, otherwise it will almost certainly be deleted shortly. Ldm1954 (talk) 15:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

NPOVN discussion for Aaj Tak

See WP:NPOVN#Aaj Tak, please participate if interested. Thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Political marriages in India

This is a historical article and it is heavily edited in last few days with unreliable sources like low quality newspaper articles and local publication books even sources are cited fraudulently to write something which is not present in the source itself. Specially, the Rajput and Mughal section is full of crap. Lack of attention by even established editors in reverting such poor addition has been degrading the quality of articles on English Wikipedia and it seems that like several websites floating on internet, Wikipedia is also backing pseudo-historic claims. Adamantine123 (talk) 02:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge between List of Air India Express destinations and Air India Express

I have proposed a merge for the article List of Air India Express destinations to be merged into the article Air India Express, you may feel free to join the discussion at either Talk:List of Air India Express destinations#Merge proposal into Air India Express or Talk:Air India Express#Merge proposal with List of Air India Express destinations Metrosfan (talk) 13:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Asian News International

This discussion may be of interest to members of this noticeboard. Valereee (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Asian News International

This discussion may be of interest to members of this noticeboard. Valereee (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Shiledar

Hi, I'm hoping someone here will be able to add some refs to Shiledar - I see mentions in a few sources but I can't really access them. I suspect others might have access to better stuff. Thanks and good luck. JMWt (talk) 07:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of highest-grossing Indian films#Requested move 1 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of highest-grossing Indian films#Requested move 1 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Ram Mohan Roy

Ram Mohan Roy has been moved to Raja Ram Mohan Roy; doesn't that violate WP:HONORIFICS? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan I agree. It should be moved back to Ram Mohan Roy. Asteramellus (talk) 12:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I disagree because there is also a Raja Aziz Bhatti. You can start a new page move request after some months if you want the page move to be reversed. Ratnahastin (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
@Ratnahastin Is there a reason to wait for some months to start a new page move? Is there a process where we can request revert for the page move? And sorry, I am not able to find the original request for this - can you add the original request link here. Thanks. Asteramellus (talk) 13:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
In general, one should wait for at least 6 months before starting a new page move request like it has always happened at Talk:Bangalore.
If you want to dispute this days old page move then do read WP:MR. Ratnahastin (talk) 13:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
@Ratnahastin thanks so much. see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic)#Titles and honorifics. Asteramellus (talk) 14:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Telangana State Wakf Board#Requested move 27 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Telangana State Wakf Board#Requested move 27 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Buffen meat hoax?

On Buffalo meat it says "it is known as [...] buffen in India" and then uses "buffen" throughout the article.

But I couldn't find any independent sources confirming this. Is it true or a hoax? Commander Keane (talk) 06:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I ended up removing all mention of "buffen" to stay on the safe side. Commander Keane (talk) 07:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Need for a community response to WMF on revealing an Indian editor's identity

Discussions on Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF) have revealed that in connection with Asian News International, WMF intends to reveal the identity of an Indian editor to a Dehli Court on 8 November. There seems to be support for a community response to dissuade WNF from taking such action but I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the procedures involved. It has been suggested a letter should be drafted to WMF expressing our concerns. I could draft such a letter but need advice on how to proceed further.--Ipigott (talk) 17:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ipigott:, soon, I expect today, there will be coverage in The Signpost at WP:SIGNPOST. I was the lead organizer for this story and can be a point of contact for questions with regard to Signpost reporting.
If you want to publish your letter in the next issue of Signpost in about two weeks, then The Signpost would accept. There are also other publishing options to share individual opinion articles or other presentations of facts. I cannot help with everything, but I can support with journalism if that helps. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for responding, Bluerasberry, but we need to respond to WMF today or tomorrow. Perhaps you can help?--Ipigott (talk) 18:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
@Ipigott: Perhaps I can help. What can I do? We already have a lot of news coverage for this story. You can preview it here - Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue. There are four articles. If you come up with a letter, then can make it prominent in the comments. I am open to discussing other kinds of help. We cannot publish another issue of The Signpost tomorrow, after publishing one today. We publish about every two weeks.
I am sure I can come up with ways to help circulate a letter and help formatting it if you have one. Are you thinking of a petition, a list of questions, or what? Bluerasberry (talk) 18:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bluerasberry, for offering support. You will no doubt be interested to see that discussions on preparing an open letter to WMF are progressing on the Village pump (WMF) page.--Ipigott (talk) 09:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
For the record, there is an active discussion about a potential open letter to the WMF about this issue. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Open letter now published for support

An open letter has been published and is taking signatures.--Ipigott (talk) 15:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Now the Central Government

The Central government has sent a notice to Wikipedia asking it to explain as to why it should not be treated as a publisher instead of an intermediary. The notice has been sent citing complaints of alleged bias and inaccurate information on the web page, said people in the know.[1]

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

This is concerning. Can anyone access the full text? Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Wikipedia faces legal challenge: Is it a publisher or an intermediary?, The Economic Times, 7 November 2024.
Lol GrabUp - Talk 05:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
That would just mean the usual bureaucratic delays. The current government is an expert at headline management, and the timing is everything. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Shiv Sena (1966–2022)#Requested move 11 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Shiv Sena (1966–2022)#Requested move 11 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Natg 19 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Dr. D. Y. Patil Vidyapeeth, Pune

Could someone from WP:INDIA take a look at Dr. D. Y. Patil Vidyapeeth, Pune and assess it? It was created yesterday and doesn't appear to have ever been reviewed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Comments by Shyamal Bagchi in April 2022 on behalf of India Against Corruption in this public comment at ICANN was full of legal threats, intimidation, and threats of violence, including against representatives of Wikimedia. Who is this person, and do they have the right to portray themselves as a spokesperson for IAC? Should something be added to the IAC article about this? Mathglot (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/India_Against_Corruption_sock-meatfarm. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Mathglot (talk) 19:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout. Sincerely, Dilettante 21:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC) Sincerely, Dilettante 21:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Maurya Empire

You are welcome to participate in discussion at Talk:Maurya Empire#Rfc on the Map Edasf (talk) 06:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for Comments at Talk:Banaras Hindu University

RfC regarding history of the college preceding the university is at this page. Please share your thoughts there. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 15:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for Comments at WT:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

You are invited to join a request for comments at MOS/Dates and numbers. Toadspike [Talk] 20:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for Comments at WT:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

You are invited to join a request for comments at MOS/Dates and numbers. Toadspike [Talk] 20:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Sanskrit epigraphy

Hi, all. I've gone about as far as I am able with Draft:Sanskrit epigraphy, so I leave it to you for improvement. The body of the draft is a copy of Sanskrit#Epigraphy with a lead stuck on top, so when released, the section at Sanskrit § Epigraphy should be chopped down to a summary, with a {{Main}} link in summary style. There are lots of images available at c:Category:Sanskrit inscriptions in India to make a gallery with. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Never mind; I released it. Contributions still welcome. Mathglot (talk) 03:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Lakh and crore RFC

There is a RFC discussion on the use of lakh and crore at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#RfC Indian numbering conventions. Please make comments there, not here. Thank you.  Stepho  talk  23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Tanks of Bombay

Interesting article but it’s been unsourced and unimproved almost 15 years. Please find and add references. Bearian (talk) 03:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tihawali

Notice

The article Tihawali has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved almost 15 years. No reliable sources online Google news, newspapers, books, or scholar. Run of the mill, very small village. Not enough information to merge. Can redirect if necessary.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Bearian (talk) 15:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for comments/help at WikiProj:Archaeology

Just asking for people interested in India-related topics for help or input at my discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Archaeology. Thanks. Tolozen (talk) 09:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Dal Lake

Dal Lake has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Khandoba

Khandoba has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Criticism of the Pakistan Armed Forces

There is an active proposal to merge Criticism of the Pakistan Armed Forces into The Establishment (Pakistan). Please share your thoughts on this. Thanks. 109.204.231.244 (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Indian Institute of Management Rohtak

Indian Institute of Management Rohtak has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Ujjal Dosanjh

Ujjal Dosanjh has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Joy Chatterjee

Hello all! I'm in the process of making some pretty extensive edits to this article (mostly removing portfolio-esque content copied from LinkedIn), but need some additional sources for verification. My searches in English are turning up very few results. Any help getting this off the ground would be appreciated - thanks! jellyfish ✉ 23:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Moving Delhi, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Lakshwadeep, Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Daman and Diu Administrative Service to Danics

Due to the excessively long name of this article, I think it should be moved back to DANICS (which is currently a redirect to Delhi, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep, Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Daman and Diu Administrative Service to DANICS) due to it being the most common name used by sources. I put this topic here instead of the main article due to how little traction it gets. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 14:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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