User talk:Abecedare

Happy New Year, Abecedare!

Happy New Year!

Abecedare,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Dympies (talk) 01:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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Dympies (talk) 01:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposal

Hey Abe, please have a look here [1]. Mr.Hanes Talk 10:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, Mr.Hanes. Unfortunately I am not well-read enough about this area of Indian history to know offhand what an apt summary of the the relevant scholarship would look like and currently am too busy IRL to read up on the subject. Pinging @RegentsPark and Vanamonde93: to see if they know any editor(s) knowledgeable/neutral enough who may help break the apparent impasse at Talk:History of India#Proposal. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 21:26, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Regarding topic ban

Hi Abecedare.. hope you are doing great. This is regarding the topic ban imposed by you on the user Dympies after careful observation and analysis of their edits related to Rajput caste. I couldn't understand why the admins lifted the ban without any substantial report though you had done proper evaluation and provided diffs regarding the topic ban. The user is continuing the same POV pushing on Rajput and no one seems to be bothered! I had requested at ANI but there was no comments from admins! I was frustrated and posted this inappropriate stuff on the article talk page (please see this), for which I was warned (logged warning) at WP:AE! Kindly look into this if you have time. Best Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:30, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ekdalian: nice to see you around and active!

I haven't read the discussion that let to the lifting of Dympies' topic ban, or the ANI and AE discussions you allude to, but in my experience trying to reopen such debates (barring clear-cut errors of facts or procedures) hardly ever ends well and often results in boomerang sanctions. So my suggestion would be to not try and re-litigate those issues, focus on content alone on article talk pages and, if needed, use AE, ANI, or admin talk pages to raise (ongoing) issues of editor conduct. I realize that I am not telling you anything you don't already know but want to re-emphasize that it never helps to let one's (sometimes, understandable) frustration to boil over.

I looked at the recent editing history of the Rajput article and its talk page and see that both are being edited pretty actively by @Dympies and LukeEmily: among others. At a quick glance nothing stood out as too problematic except arguably the most recent reverts by Dympies, which re-did their earlier removal that LukeEmily had objected to, instead of discussing the issue on the article talk page and establishing consensus for removal/retention. Not a technical violation per se but such repeated reverts can be disruptive especially at such highly contentious articles. Hopefully, everyone can be on their best behavior, focus on (high quality!) sources and content, and edit collaboratively in order to improve the article. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 03:28, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Abecedare: good to see you back. I am here as I was pinged. I just wish to briefly explain my reverts which you have mentioned. Luke placed some content related to Awadh Rajputs in "Emergence as a community" section, which I removed for the obvious reason that the content has no relation to the subject under which it is placed. The content itself is not of much significance to the page, and as per me, it doesn't fit in any of the article's section. Disagreements are always welcome. Dympies (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Dympies: The reason's may have been obvious to you but they were clearly disputed. So re-removing that material for the second time without first discussing and establishing consensus was a violation of your undertaking during your TBAN appeal. Please be more careful. Abecedare (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response, Abecedare! I would like to share relevant wikilinks:

1. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive364#TBAN appeal: Dympies

2. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1170#Repetition of the same POV-pushing in the same caste article by User:Dympies for which they were topic banned

Apart from these, I would like to inform you that Dympies has not only been extraordinarily active in the article on Rajput but also been keen to include the Rajputs as the most successful claimants of Kshatriya status! You may please check the RfC on the article talk page, Talk: Kshatriya.

I would also like to share parts of an email received yesterday from an experienced editor (can't disclose the name for obvious reasons), and the content shared below is self explanatory. It also indicates that other editors are also concerned regarding the POV pushing!

----Email content----

Hello, Ekdalian. I couldn't participate in the RfC of Talk:Kshatriya ( https" in the article talk, Talk:Kshatriya! https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Kshatriya#RfC:_Should_we_mention_%22Rajputs%22_as_most_successful_claimants_of_Kshatriya_status? ), as I was on a wiki break. Otherwise, I would've opposed it.

The RfC is obviously closed correctly by user TurboSuperA+ . But the RfC closer is now in trouble because of his other closes: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#TurboSuperA+_closes Dympies is taking advantage of that situation and is trying to get the closure of Talk:Kshatriya's RfC reversed: see

a) https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1278859874,

b) https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1279021921

Dympies has also !voted to get the closer topic-banned: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1278278658

----End of the email (relevant part)----

Best Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:06, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ekdalian: Thanks for the links but I don't intent to re-review prior judgments reached by other admins/community. And the situation with TurboSuperA+ seems to be more complex than the RFC at Talk:Rajput [Talk:Kshatriya]] alone; if their closure there is overturned, I would suggest I would suggest that all interested editors address the RFC question on its merits and trust that the next closer will be able to evaluate the consensus appropriately. Abecedare (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Abecedare! Best Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, Abecedare; I just want to clarify that I didn't expect you to review prior judgments reached by other admins! Rather, I can only request you to consider the behaviour (edit related) of Dympies after the ban was lifted! IMHO, you are one of those rare admins, who can evaluate such POV pushing in contentious caste articles. Therefore, it is my humble request to review the recent edits of Dympies related to Rajput including Talk:Kshatriya, in case you can spare the time. Best Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 14:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ekdalian: I have watchlisted the Kshatriya page and will keep an eye out for disruption/socking as the re-opened RFC continues. Abecedare (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Best Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

AE attention

Nice to see you are back. Can you look at this AE report? IMO, the current patrolling admin there is apparently not recognising the ills of Hindutva-based POV pushing which is rampant from this editor. You were notified of this editor before[2], and unfortunately it has only got worse. Thanks Abhishek0831996 (talk) 07:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Abecedare, please also note that the above user appears to be engaged in WP:sealioning, or there may be some form of tag-teaming, which has been noticed by the patrolling admin and Fowler&Fowler [3]. What Abhishek is doing right now seems to be an attempt to canvass another admin (i. e. you) due to their disagreement with the involved admins. AlvaKedak (talk) 14:46, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Who are you? I never interacted with you before. You are engaging in sanctionable conduct with your false accusations, be aware of WP:BATTLE. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 02:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Abhishek0831996: Thanks for the heads up. There seems to be quite a bit of history to the Shivaji-Sambhaji disputes, which are the subject of at least three AE reports at present. I may read up on that over the nest week or so but am unlikely to be able to weigh with an informed opinion anytime soon. I see though that several admins who are clearly more familiar with that history, and who I trust, are already involved at the board. So it would be best to continue the discussion at AE and my one suggestion to all parties would be to be more succinct there! Abecedare (talk) 23:33, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

The Return of User:Big fan of the Mughals

They are back [4] with their trolling tendencies. Please also take appropriate action on this SPI [5]. AlvaKedak (talk) 14:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@AlvaKedak: I see that Vanamonde93 and PhilKnight have already dealt with this latest incarnation. If any more socks appear, as is likely, feel free to report them at the SPI and ping us. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Dhandhor

Hi, it is regarding these additions after you TNTed the article in 2024 after this discussion. I've started editing it recently, trying to trim WP:RAJ, phenotype related stuff, but apparently some users are keen on readding those including the 'inferiority' related parts as you can see in the edits starting from 8 February 2025 here. Socks are involved apparently. Have a look. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:00, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Wow what a mess of a article history especially over the past month with a succession of SPA's, Almakhhdum, Hlogoogle and JBulganin, making ~10 edits elsewhere before jumping to this page to add junk content based on egregiously poor sources (eg, this edit based on this caste "history"). I would indef ECP the article under WP:GSCASTE or WP:CT/IPA except that I am arguably involved due to my TNT revert last June. Therefore pinging @Black Kite and Bishonen: to see if they would oblige. In the meantime I'll revert to your last version. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Done, reported at WP:GSCASTE. Bishonen | tålk 01:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC).

Thanks B! Abecedare (talk) 05:00, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in research

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RfC template

Hi Abecedare,

As you know, there is an RfC going on at Talk: Kshatriya. Some bot removed RfC template on 26 January [6]. Can we re-place the template as it is something which keep inviting more and more opinions from the community? Its a technical thing, so I thought of consulting you. Dympies (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@Dympies: Removing the template after 30 days is the norm and since this RFC has been open for about 75 days already and received lengthy inputs, I don't believe extending it further will be be too helpful. If you are ok with it though, I can post a message at WT:INB informing project members of the existence of this RFC to see if someone wishes to weigh in. That could get us some additional comments from informed but "uninvolved" editors. Do you or any of my page-watchers have any objections or suggestions for alternate boards for the last-minute RFC advert? Abecedare (talk) 01:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Posted at INB. Abecedare (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Abecedare. Dympies (talk) 18:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Requesting Consel

Sir, can you please guide on how to add citations to a text or statement, which is from some article. Like the 1,2,3,4 in blue third brackets. Thanks. Saptajit D (talk) 06:05, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

@Saptajit D: There are many citation styles used across wikipedia and many ways of adding them depending on the exact interface and gadgets one is using. You can see the basics at WP:CQR but IMO it is easier to learn by examples. So if you specify what exact reference you wish to add where, I may be able to guide you better. PS: You can also post "how to" queries at WP:TEAHOUSE. Abecedare (talk) 18:08, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for assistance with article indexing

Hello Abecedare, I hope you're doing well. I’m reaching out regarding an article for Dutch actor Max Croes which currently has a noindex tag. I believe the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines for indexing, as it contains reliable sources and meets the notability criteria. I saw you are an admin and have a lot of experience working on similar articles and wanted to reach out. Would you be able to review the article and advise on whether the tag can be removed? I would really appreciate your help. Thank you so much in advance! Regards, Steve SteveMy14 (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

@SteveMy14: The article is not currently indexed because it is less than 90 days old and because it hasn't been reviewed by a new page patroller to make sure that it is suitable for wikipedia. I have requested a review from editors more familiar with this topic area than I am, although this may take some time since the patrollers have a significant backlog to deal with. Thanks for your contribution and patience. Abecedare (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

@SteveMy14: Th article passed new page patroller User:Zeibgeist's review and is now indexed by Google, and presumably other search engines. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:21, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Many consecutive edits at Kalwar (caste) — caste promotion?

Please see Special:Diff/1234659073/1281517085. Bishonen | tålk 22:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Looks like it. I reverted the edits and left a note on the talk page. Abecedare (talk) 22:46, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I should have seen the WP:RAJ issue myself, but there was just so much of everything. Bishonen | tålk 23:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC).

Help

Hello. I am Dania Shah from Pakistan and I am making contributions under the username of "Martial Bean Dino". I made many edits since i created an account but still I did not know how to make new articles on Wikipedia. Can you Please guide me. I post questions on my talk page and mentor talk page but have not received any response. I came here using the link Wikipedia:List of administrators/Active. Thank you Martial Bean Dino (talk) 11:48, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you but i have found out how to make new articles. I learned it on a YouTube video and i will create articles Later. Thank you Martial Bean Dino (talk) 15:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Glad you found the information. I have also left some relevant on-wiki links on your talk page. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2025 (UTC)