Here's the 16th in my series of nominations of number one lists from the pre-history of Billboard's R&B/hip-hop chart. This year we can see some more of the all-time greats topping the chart, including Elvis, Fats Domino and Sam Cooke, as well as a few lesser-known names, including a group that reached number one with their first hit single and then never charted again...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Source, Image and general review from BennyOnTheLoose
"In the early part of the year, singer and pianist Fats Domino dominated all three charts" - I think that "dominated" is justified, but perhaps you could be a bit more specific than "early part of the year" (first quarter?)
Seems like all info in the intro and captions is either directly cited, or based on cited info in the table.
Sources all seem reliable.
"Although many of 1957's chart-topping acts experienced long and successful careers, others achieved only brief success" Is Whitburn 1988 the source for this? (Or is the argument that it's self-evident?)
Spot checks on Molanphy (2005), and Unterberger both OK.
Spot check on Ankeney: this source mentioned that "'I Shot Mr. Lee' ... began to climb the charts"; two other songs are mentioned as "minor hits" and "I Don't Like It Like That,' ... was the group's last chart entry". This doesn't seem to fully support the article's statement that "would never place another song on any of Billboard's R&B listings" - is this statement verified by Whitburn 1988?
Here is the Bobbettes' entry in Whitburn 1988 (also verified with two other later editions of his book). Their later minor hits were in pop not R&B and I have clarified this in the article - ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Image review
Images all have suitable licensing and rationales. Captions and positioning are fine. Alt text is OK but optionally could be a bit more specific about what is represented, e.g. mention how many people are in the Coasters image. (MOS:ALT)
1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
3b. The list is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems. All relevant retrieval dates are present.
3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
4. It is navigable.
5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
Support, I don't have anything to add regarding the prose. The only thing I would change is citing AllMusic as a publisher on ref 5 for consistency but that shouldn't prevent me from supporting! Sebbirrrr (talk) 23:48, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because pretty much every other cricket century list is featured and I have worked to get it to the standard where I feel it could be featured as well. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware that names from the Indian subcontinent don't necessarily work the same as western names, so can you confirm that it's correct to refer to him as simply "Babar" per MOS:SURNAME?
I'm pretty sure he is refered to as Babar. This tweet from the Pakistan Cricket Board seems to confirm this. Could be wrong though. CreativeNorth (talk)
"Babar Azam is an Pakistani cricketer" => "Babar Azam is a Pakistani cricketer"
Full stop at the end of the Vaughan quote should be outside the quote marks
Y Done
"He has been named in the ICC Men's ODI Team of the Year on 3 occasions" => "He has been named in the ICC Men's ODI Team of the Year on three occasions"
Y Done.
"four different opponents at five cricket grounds" - I think just "grounds" would suffice, as he's not likely to have scored a century at a football ground
Y Removed
"His first century came in 2016 where he scored 120" - against.....?
Changed to "His first century came in 2016 where he scored 120 against the West Indies"
Having taken another look to strike the comment, it looks like current ref 3, from The News International, also needs a publisher to be listed.Giants2008 (Talk) 22:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's mostly fine, but I question why the second column of the tables (score) is being set as the "primary" column, rather than the "number" column, seeing as the score is not unique and does not "define" its row. --PresN18:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Babar made his ODI debut in May 2015 against Zimababwe and scored 54 before being dismissed." Since this list is about Azam's centuries, I do not think this sentence is necessary and can be removed, with the subsequent sentence modified to mention his ODI debut.
Publication dates are typically included in the references, per WP:CITEWEB. I suggest going through the news articles and adding this information if provided.
I suggest archiving the websites
Done, now all the websites have been archived and dates have been added where possible.
Image review
The link to the video has been terminated, and the account was terminated. How do we know that the image is not a copyright violation? This image might have to be removed.
Use upright rather than px for images. See MOS:IMAGESIZE for more details
I don't think that information is needed in the caption, as the image is introducing the person the list is talking about. I suggest something like, "Babar Azam, pictured in 20xx" (replace 20xx with the year the image was taken) or something similar.
Done. I have changed the image to a different one used on Babar Azam, changed to upright, and used the suggested caption.
Strong oppose since this list has many issues with the prose, comprehensiveness, and referencing that will take a fair bit of time to fix. Prose issues include errors such as "He has scored centuries (100 or more runs in an innings) is 26 centuries" and clunky phrasing like " He has been named...Team of the Year." There are many uncited sentences which need referencing. The text lacks comprehensiveness and needs much more detail; see for example the list about Kohli. AryKun (talk) 16:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @AryKun: I have fixed the prose error highlighted above. Could you please highlight any other prose errors you have noticed? The team of the year sentence makes sense to me but could you suggest an improvement if you think it is needed. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 21:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update on above: Everything has been cited. I have added as much notable detail as possible without it becoming WP:FANCRUFT. Most of the prose seems fine. I think I have fixed everything. Is that OK? Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 01:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CreativeNorth, there are still many issues with the article as it stands. I've done a copy-edit that fixes most of the prose issues, but there are some more substantive changes that need discussion before I can enact them (one substantive change that I have made is removing "and breaking the...a three-match series." since I feel this is trivia that distracts from the main focus of the paragraph, which is consecutive centuries).
"As of September 2022" should be in a "as of" template, and should be updated to November stats.
"Babar has been described...the World." Completely irrelevant, we have ex-captains calling players the best in the world at something seven times a week, no need for Vaughan's opinion to be singled out.
"He has...the Tournament" I'm leaning towards removing this whole bit entirely, since it doesn't really have anything to do with his centuries. Most century lists only list trivia and facts regarding the subject's centuries, this is really something that belongs in the main article.
The detail on the T20I centuries part could be expanded (who did he score the second one against? was there anything noteworthy about where/how he scored them?).
Per MOS:SURNAME, Babar should be referred to using his last name.
CreativeNorth, I see that you've addressed most of my concerns. There's still a couple issues left. The last sentence of the first para (He has...T20Is.) is uncited. Also, I still think that he should be referred to as Azam instead of Babar (mentions in the media are split about 50/50, and our main article also uses Azam). AryKun (talk) 14:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@AryKun I think I've adressed all your concerns. Feel free to notify me if you think anything else needs fixing. If everything seems good then do you mind changing your oppose to support. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 21:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Just had a FLC promoted so figured I may as well nominate this one now. I realise there's still eight charts of the year to go, but by the time this FLC closes it will probably be four or five, and you know I'm good for keeping it updated to the end of the year :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:44, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"… was replaced in the top spot in the issue …" – should it instead be at the top spot? (I'm not sure about the grammar, so feel free to ignore it if I'm wrong)
Read the prose in detail – everything else looks all good.
Images utilized are licensed and tagged, with appropriate alt text.
I'd use the {{cite news}} template with the "newspaper=" parameter for ref 1 (from The New York Times), but that's just my personal preference.
Everything else looks solid. I just have two minor comments on two citations and a question about the lead, but once everything has been addressed, I will be more than happy to support this for promotion. Best of luck with the FLC!
Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
I don't know about the Walker Hayes image license ... what's the evidence that Sutton ever gave permission to use the photo? The uploader is User:Mbaumatl. User talk:Mbaumatl isn't encouraging. (I also have a minor question about the Morgan Wallen image ... when the username sounds like "Morgan Wallen" and the user provides an image of a stage performance, do we generally want some kind of confirmation where it's coming from?)
Ref 8 needs a retrieved date. (All other relevant retrieval dates are present.)
1. The prose checks out. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
3b. The list is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review).
3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
4. It is navigable.
5. It meets style requirements. (See above about images.)
6. It is stable (in the sense of "no edit wars" ... it's got another month of charts to go, so I'll check back at the end of the year, but I'm not expecting any problems.)
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"CODA won all three categories it was nominated in at the 94th Academy Awards including....." - "including" is used when mentioning parts of a whole, but all three categories were already mentioned here, so this should be reworded.
"Both the National Board of Review and American Film Institute included it....." -> "Both the National Board of Review and American Film Institute included CODA"
There's an extra space between the Runner-up part and the efn template in the "Best Screen Couple" category.
Looks very good—there was some weirdness with linking publishers/websites (some first instances linked, some linked every time) so I went ahead and linked them all
Reliability
No issues
Verifiability
Going to add the ref 53 to note A so its clear that it also covers that info.
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This list is about all the drivers who have won a title in the FIA World Endurance Championship, an endurance auto racing championship that has been run since 2012. I have recently expanded and redone the list and I believe it meets the necessary requirements to become an FLC. EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which version of English is this article in? I can see both "co-organised" (British) and "center" (American)
In the World Endurance Drivers' Championship table (and subsequent tables), what does the "margin" column mean?
Using the grey background in the World Endurance GT Drivers' Championship to indicate something contravenes MOS:COLOR. You also need to use a symbol.
If the grey background relates to the season as a whole, how come in 2014 and 2016 there is one person with it and one without?
In fact, how come some rows in that table have multiple people listed generally?
Similar comments to the above on the World GT Manufacturers' Championship table
"The championship is open to all manufacturers participating in the LMGTE categories, although only entered manufacturers are eligible for points" - what is an "entered manufacturer"?
"The Trophy for LMP2 Pro/Am Drivers was introduced in the 2021 season for LMP2 driver crews featuring at least one bronze-rated driver" - what's a "bronze-rated driver"?
Notes a and b are not complete sentences so don't need full stops
"The champions are not officially crowned until the FIA Prize Giving Ceremony that is held in December at various locations after the WEC season has concluded." First, I think you can remove 'that is', the sentence works well without it. Secondly, the various locations is slightly confusing. It suggests that the ceremony is literally held at various locations, as far as I'm aware it's in one location. Do you mean that ceremony is held in different places each year? If so, I'm not sure it's relevant, I'd just mention that the champions aren't crowned until the ceremony.
There have been 27 drivers who have won a LMGTE title in either the Pro or Am categories –> 27 drivers have won a LMGTE title in either the Pro or Am categories
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Since March 2021, I have often read the second nomination and I think I have fixed every user's concern about it. (If I haven't, it may be because I had written many cazzate in it.) I hadn't nominated it before due to a fear to fail it for the fourth time, but I now think the article is OK. I couldn't find the attendance prior to the 1980s, but remember the cup didn't even have television broadcast at that moment, so I think the attendance information wasn't registrated.. DrSalvus21:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Since the first final between Vado and Udinese" Link Vado and Udinese
Done
"...the initial game ended in a scoreless draw" goalless draw.
Done
"to assign the cup" ... to determine the winner.
Done
"Inter Milan is the only team to manage to win the Serie A..."
Done
"From 1923 to 1925, from 1928 to 1935 and from 1944 to 1957, the tournament was not held." ... The tournament was not held in the years 1923–1925, 1928–1935 and 1944–1957.
Done
It was reintroduced in 1958, in the light of the UEFA project" ... It was recommenced in 1958, in conjunction with the UEFA project...
Done
"Juventus hold the record for winning the most titles (14)" ... holds
This article is not written in US English. However, I've changed "Inter Milan is" to "Inter Milan are".
"the highest number of consecutive cups" ... the highest number of consecutive victories in the final
Done
"and of having played in the most finals" ... and playing in the most finals.
Done
"share the worst win–loss record with three defeats and no successes" either: "three losses and no wins" or "three defeats and no victories"
Done
"The teams from outside the top Italian football league system that managed to win the cup are Vado in 1922 (from Promozione[a]) and Napoli in 1962 (from Serie B)." ... Two teams from outside the top league have won the cup: Vado in 1922 (from Promozione[a]) and Napoli in 1962 (from Serie B). Unlink Vado (link at first appearance).
Done
"On seven occasions, the result was a scoreless draw" goalless
Done
"after extra time in the 2022 final." in extra time at the 2022 final
Done
(infobox caption+picture) "Stadio Olimpico in Rome has hosted the Coppa Italia final in recent years" Not a particularly useful picture, does not actually depict a cup final match. There are images available in Commons - either a photo of the cup, or from one of the finals itself. Depicting the stadium is not really the most prominent feature of this list.
Comment: Are you sure that "at the 2022 final" is actually better? In many other articles, including the FL articles like List of FA Cup Finals, List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals etc., its "in the final", not "at"... even the top tier English sources which would definitely use correct grammar, like BBC, are using "in the (2019) final" (1, 2), and UEFA also uses "after extra time in the 2018 final" (3), so "after extra time in the 2022 final" is better than "in extra time at the 2022 final". Snowflake91 (talk) 11:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Snowflake91@Dr Salvus - it was the structure of the sentence that appeared somewhat jarring to me (I guess I don't like the use of "beat"). I'm not particularly wedded to one version, personally I prefer "in" over "after", but of course that means avoiding a double use of "in", hence my suggested use of "at". If there's use of the form after/in with the other articles, I'm not opposed. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 22:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Goldsztajn I honestly think "in" is OK. It doesn't look weird to me. I've done all the changes except the one which was not standard in UK English. Can you support my nomination if you don't have anything else? DrSalvus22:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr Salvus For consistency's sake need to change "Inter Milan are" to "is". British English uses the singular for collective nouns when the entity being described is considered a singular unit - so a team wins a match (singular), whereas police are investigating (plural) a crime. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 22:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr Salvus apologies for creating confusion - I didn't mean to suggest removing the infobox, I thought *only* the caption and image in the infobox could be improved. I think the infobox information was a very useful summary and would encourage its inclusion. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:08, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that the alleged source "Almanacco Illustrato del Calcio – La storia 1898–2004" doesnt actually have attendances information for Coppa finals, it would make no sense that they would list attendances for 1960, 1963, and then nothing until 1974, and then again nothing until 1988. Looks like those attendances are taken from Italian Wikipedia, backed up with some random football book that no one has access to verifiy. If you actually have access to that book, can you scan one page or take a photo with a phone, for example the information that 1975 final had 40,000 spectators? If not, than simply delete those unverified attendances and list only the attendances since the 1990s, with some note that attendances prior that date are simply not available. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"74 Coppa Italia trophies have been assigned" - this is wording that would literally never be used by a native English speaker. I would simply say "74 finals have taken place"
Done
Any reason for the inconsistent use of digits and words for numbers over 10 eg "There have been 40 single-match finals [....] On thirty occasions....."
Done
"Inter Milan is the only team to win the Serie A, the Coppa Italia and the UEFA Champions League in the same year, in 2010" - source?
Done
"Juventus holds the record [....] AC Milan have lost" - inconsistent use of singular/plural to refer to a club
Done
"Of the teams which have participated in more than one final, Palermo and Hellas Verona, share......" - no reason for that comma after Verona
Done
"with three defeats and no victories, each" - no reason for that comma either
Done
"Number of teams 44" (in the infobox) - presumably this is the current number of teams but I am unsure of the value of showing this as I would imagine it has changed quite a lot over the years
It has not at all.
"Team from outside the top Italian football league system" => "Team from outside the top level of the Italian football league system"
Done
Per the comment above about attendances, the figures from 1988 to 2004 still seem to be sourced to a book which you admit you don't have access to. Are you 100% certain that this book sources the figures listed?
I'm literally an idot: how was I able not to think that I would've been able to find attendances searching in archives of old newspapers? I've found much information from it. I've almost found info for all the 1980s finals. DrSalvus00:19, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the La Stampa sources you have added, the title should be the actual title of the newspaper article, not "La Stampa - Consultazione Archivio" e.g. the first one should be "La Roma è finalmente prima" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1980–81 has the same link for both matches, the title and the date in the reference are correct but the URL is wrong, the second match should link to the 18 June 1981 newspaper – I dont know how to change the URL, because even if you switch to 18 June the URL stays the same at that website. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:20, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neither do I. I've tried to do it, but nothing... However, there are still the date and the number of the page which can help DrSalvus11:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"as well as four teams of Serie C." of should be from
Done
"Inter Milan are the only team to win the Serie A..."
Don't agree
You don't need to say the Serie A in English, it's simply Serie A. Any native English speaker would refer to it as Serie A. NapHit (talk) 22:56, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
" Juventus hold the record for winning the most titles (14)..." this could be worded better. How about Juventus hold the record for the most wins with 14
" AC Milan have lost the greatest number of finals..." -> AC Milan have lost the most finals
Done
"Seven finals have been decided by penalty shoot-outs..." this should be penalty shoot-out as there's only one shoot out in a final and having it as plural here suggests there are multiple shoot outs per final
Done
"who beat Juventus 4–2 in extra time at the 2022 final." at should be in
Yes, you haven't actually made the changes you've said you have. It's poor form to put done when you haven't actually done what you said you've done. Especially as I've taken time to go through the list. NapHit (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've done the fixes, hope its okay now - also changed "in extra time" to "after extra time" to avoid repetition of "in" word, if thats okay. Actually it was intially like that, but reviewer Goldsztajn above suggested to change it from "after extra time in the 2022 final" to "in extra time at the 2022 final". Snowflake91 (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Drive My Car is a Japanese film that received numerous accolades from various outlets. This is my first FLC, and I believe this list meets the criteria. Any feedback is appreciated. Harushiga (talk) 08:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"while taking inspiration from "Scheherazade" and "Kino,"" - the comma should be outside the quote marks
Done.
"two other stories from it" =? "two other stories from the collection" would read more elegantly IMO
Done.
"The film had its world premiere [.....] on 11 July 2022, and was released in Japan on 20 August" - how is this possible? 20 August is still three weeks in the future
On that note, if the film only had its world premiere 19 days ago, how can it have already been nominated for all these awards? Can we assume that you meant to write 11 July 2021?
Yep, I meant to write 2021. Fixed.
Was it really the entire country of Japan that was nominated for the Academy Award?
Other tables for films nominated for Best International Feature Film also use the country in the recipient section, so I assume this to be the standard?
In citations, if you choose to rewrite titles using italics instead of quotations (example: source 3, "'Drive My Car' Cannes Review..." to "'Drive My Car' Cannes Review..."), the quotations can be removed ("Drive My Car Cannes Review...").
Done.
Nikkan Sports Film Award is in the wrong spot alphabetically (move two spots down)
Done.
Check if the Newcomer of the Year award is directly tied to the film – it may only recognize Miura as an individual without citing the film in the nomination. This is supported by the citation saying the film won 8 awards when 9 are listed.
The article directly cites Drive My Car for Miura's win. The award was given to multiple people, which is possibly why it was not counted towards the total.
That is a very short lead that wouldn't even meet the criteria for a DYK. Could this be expanded to mention more important awards/nominations that it has received.
Expanded a bit.
What makes AwardsWatch a reliable ref?
I've seen it used in other featured accolade lists, such as The Tragedy of Macbeth and A Star Is Born. The owner and editor-in-chief, Erik Anderson, seems to be an expert on film-related topics as well. According to his profile on the website, he is a "Rotten Tomatoes-approved critic," and is a member of two critic groups (ICS and GALECA).
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A new plant series at FLC! A lot of important stuff is happening in the 2020s in botany, and I'd like to bring some lists to the Main Page that share the news and encourage the next generation of scientists and gardeners. I'll add author citations to the cladogram if you guys want them, but I have a slight preference to leave them off. I'd really rather not add species numbers to the tables, because for a large family, these numbers can change often, sometimes daily. As always ... everyone should feel free to comment, the more the merrier. I want to hear your ideas. - Dank (push to talk) 17:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Quick ping for the reviewers @CaptainEek, Casliber, and ChrisTheDude: While working on the next list in the series, we became aware that having this many image columns in a complex table doesn't scale well with smaller screens, so I just deleted one column of images and the "references" column (and the now-useless parts of the Key section, too). Probably doesn't make a difference to you folks, but, you know, full disclosure. - Dank (push to talk) 19:32, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thx much. This is my attempt at a "view from two miles up" approach to botany that might be suitable for some Main Page readers, at least I hope it will be. But other approaches might work ... I'm flexible (or try to be). - Dank (push to talk) 20:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
many of them are herbaceous, aquatic plants - should the comma be there?
Removed.
From the cladogram, they're not a monophyletic group (????)
Right, this is a grade and not a clade ... but it's still one of the three groups that the monocots are generally divided into (only the commelinids form a clade). Would you like me to explain this in the "Key and cladograms" section, or maybe in a note? - Dank (push to talk) 01:21, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Casliber ... FWIW, I'm going to add Kubitzki's Families and Genera of Vascular Plants series as a source when possible for future lists, to beef up the type genus description ... I'm also going to add a bit more description today to this list, but without Kubitzki (the volume that covers Alismatales is $380 on Amazon! Yikes.) - Dank (push to talk) 14:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've added descriptions for all now, mainly of leaves and inflorescences, so this should be ready for you to look at. Tomorrow I'll link the new terms I added. I'm hoping these technical terms won't throw people: there aren't very many of them, they'll all be linked, and you've got the images right there. I may be able to minimize links by converting some of these into the words that PoTW tends to use ("sword-shaped" instead of ensiform, for instance). - Dank (push to talk) 05:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For starters, love the comparison between the titan arum and the duckweed, really puts the diversity of the families into perspective. Always glad to see plant FA's.
The (both pictured) is unnecessary and a bit unusual imo. The reader can easily look at the pictures, and see that both are pictured.
The images in the refs and illustration column are too small, and for some reason, smaller than the images in the other columns. They're too tiny to make much detail out of, and they would look nicer standardized to the rest of the photos.
For the origin of the names, I would put the references in the table, not just in the header. That way it is very clear which reference goes to what.
Same goes for the notes. Citation should be at the end of the relevant sentence/paragraph, as a precise pincite.
Another origin of names point: the Greek: vs. Greek name thing is kind of confusing. If that's the standard way to go about it, I guess that's fine. But I wonder if there is a better way to say it? Like "After the Greek plant Juncagin". I also have to wonder if some of those Greek name/Latin name things could be further translated. I know at least for bird names I've used a scientific name dictionary (Helm Dictionary of Scientific Bird Names), which has provided excellent translations for even the most obscure of names. I've not ever used one for plants I must say, but I imagine that info should exist. That, or even just a regular Latin/Greek dictionary should be of assistance.
Capitalization: capitalize the first word of the column headers, i.e. Common name, Type genus. I would say same goes for the common names column entries, but I see other plant lists not doing that. I find that to be...weird. It looks unprofessional? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts as to why you wouldn't capitalize what is effectively the start of a standalone sentence/clause
Acoraceae: "according to some authors." Which? Either specify, or give a citation.
Hydrocharitaceae: Wikilink invasive
Scheuchzeriaceae: I dislike the "Habitat: " You don't do that with any of the other entries, so it feels out of place. You could easily say "Found in..." and it would read better.
Zosteraceae: Seems to be missing an authority. If its really not mentioned in any of the listed authorities, then is it really an alismatid?
In your cladogram, reverse the references so that 5 comes before 6.
Wonderfully helpful, thanks. Everything done (see if you agree), except for these: 1. the Zostera citation is Christenhusz. 2. ""After the Greek plant Juncagin": if I refer to the name of a Greek plant, I'd probably have to write it in Greek, which would be confusing for my target readership ... and the bigger problem is, there's often disagreement among authorities (classical and modern) as to how the Greeks spelled the word. The best way to solve this problem, I think, is just to say that the current family name is similar to a classical Greek plant name. 3. I considered adding this explanation to the article text, but I think I won't, I'll just say it here: although many authors have taken guesses at what meanings the Romans and Greeks might have assigned to these plant names, there is no way to know for certain what meanings were assigned across multiple languages and countries two millennia ago; we can only say that some classical authority identified these words as plant names. OTOH, for Latin and Greek names that were assigned invented by naturalists after, say, 1500, it becomes very possible guess later authors will usually agree on a meaning, even when the original authorities didn't provide that information. Those are the names where I say "Greek: blah blah", etc. I can't explain this in these thin columns, but I could explain more in the Key section if you like. (Also: I don't have much wiggle-room left on etymology issues, because most of these things were hashed out over the years that I was pushing the etymology articles through FLC.) - Dank (push to talk) 04:57, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, all those changes look good. Re: 1, now that you've reordered things, it makes more sense to me. No need to change. Re 2 and 3, that explanation makes sense, no need to change. Thanks for humoring me and laying it out :) I haven't done a source or image review, but aside from that, its a promote from me! CaptainEekEdits Ho Cap'n!⚓06:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks kindly! Wonderful. Btw ... the "nominations viewer" script (and maybe a bot now? don't know) needs to see the word "support" so that reviewers can see at a glance how many supports a nomination has so far. - Dank (push to talk) 13:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just changed "Greek name" to "Greek plant name" and "Latin name" to "Latin plant name"; hope that helps with the ambiguity you were seeing. - Dank (push to talk) 07:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the ping after you've already done your job, CaptainEek, but I'm being asked over at WP:TREEREQ which source(s) should be consulted for my next cladogram (and presumably for this one too). Do you have any objections to using APG IV (from 2016), or would you prefer something more recent. If so, what? - Dank (push to talk) 13:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC) Actually, cancel that, the cladograms I've got so far will hopefully be sufficient. - Dank (push to talk) 21:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Chris. All done except the links. I'll do them, it's just that that's a laborious process of combing through my best sources to see when I can and can't get away with converting them to English words (and I'm half-asleep). Should get done today. - Dank (push to talk) 11:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All done, thanks. I didn't remove the monocot note; one of the things I try to keep in mind with FLs is that a lot of them will show up on the Main Page some day, and our Main Page readership tends to be really diverse. Some of the readers may remember hearing the word "monocot" a long time ago, but they'll be fuzzy on what that means. Saying "single cotyledon" will probably mean zip to them. Saying "grass, palm, banana, ginger, asparagus, pineapple, sedge and onion", as I do in the note, will probably be more helpful. And when I give a list of things, I try to start off with a common bond if possible, and the bond in this case is agriculture. Does that work for you? - Dank (push to talk) 16:23, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All images are appropriate and seem correctly licensed. My only query is that in each pair of images, the right hand one has the alt text "same", presumably indicating that it has the same content as the picture to the left. Can I confirm that this is an appropriate use of alt text? I had a look at WP:ALT but couldn't figure it out..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think what I'll do is change the format to match my next list ... then the question will be moot, because both images will share the same caption (equal to the alt text) and be in the actual same cell (instead of appearing to be in the same cell). - Dank (push to talk) 16:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Source review – All of the sources appear to be sufficiently reliable and well-formatted, and no issues were detected by the link-checker tool. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:17, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is the second of a pair of lists that chart the rise and fall of Peter Molyneux... this one being the fall. Molyneux and his Bullfrog Productions studio had been famous and successful in the 90s for creating innovative games, and having broken free of EA to found Lionhead Studios, Molyneux was prepared to replicate that success without the stifling corporate oversight. And, for a time, it worked- they came out of the gate strong with the creative Black & White and Fable. And then Black & White 2 didn't sell well, and neither did The Movies, a business simulation/movie making game that had the misfortune of coming out just before YouTube became a thing, and in the background Lionhead was hemorrhaging cash on projects that never seemed to turn into sellable games, so just like Bullfrog and EA, Lionhead was bought by their publisher, Microsoft. And again like Bullfrog and EA, Microsoft turned it into just the Fable developers, and it released 5 more games in the franchise before being shut down.
All of this wouldn't mean the fall of Molyneux, though, except that this was the era that his mouth finally got him in trouble. Molyneux had always talked a big game, but in the 2000s it got away from him- he would promise game features that didn't work yet (and never did), and would even tell the press things would be in a game that were just an idea he just had that he hadn't even told the devs yet. By the time he left Lionhead, he was synonymous with radical, innovative over-promising, and he hasn't released a full game since. This is all just flavor text, though- this is a list of games in the end, including a bunch of cancelled games because, like Bullfrog, Lionhead was really open about that. This list follows the pattern of all the prior lists I've done on 90s/early 2000s developers (3D Realms/id/Raven/Epic/Firaxis/Blizzard/Relic/Bullfrog), so I hope you enjoy it, and thanks for reviewing. --PresN20:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1. I couldn't find anything to copyedit. There are no sortable columns. I sampled the links in the table.
2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
3b. The UPSD tool is marking two refs in red, so as usual, I'll come back and have another look after a source review is done. But I'm not expecting to see anything troubling ... AFAICT, the New York Post and YouTube material isn't problematic.
3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
4. It is navigable.
5. It has no images; there's an image available of Molyneux, but that's your call.
Changed. CreativeNorth (talk)
Done
Done.
Partly done Dr Salvus 21:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
