Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/December 2016

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List of municipalities in Mississippi

Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this article as it is a complete and comprehensive list of all cities, towns and villages within the state of Mississippi. I have modelled this list off of my recently promoted List of cities and towns in Montana and List of cities and towns in Alabama so it should be of the same high standard. I've incorporated templates into the tables which allows the list to be updated quickly after the next census to keep it the information up to date and to make the list a bit more aesthetically pleasing. Please let me know if there is anything else that can be added to perfect this list. Thanks for your input. Mattximus (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

• Support Wow, this is an incredible list, Mattximus. It is well-referenced, attractively arranged, and well-composed. I support it. LavaBaron (talk) 20:29, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
• Looking good. Only quibble is Mississippi is the 32nd most populous state with 2,968,103 inhabitants but the 31st largest by land area spanning 46,923.27 square miles (121,530.7 km2) of land - the "but" is contrastive, and I don't consider the difference in rank enough to be contrastive. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Good catch! Fixed. Mattximus (talk) 00:03, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

support then...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

• "The largest municipality by population in Mississippi is Jackson with 173,514 residents, and the smallest municipality by population is Satartia with 55 residents." I don't think you need to repeat "municipality by population".

• Changed

• I assume CDP means census designated place but it would be helpful to explain it.

Removed acronym, added link to page explaining what it is.

• The note on Byram says it incorporated 16 June 2009, the incorporation date column 15 June 2009, and the article on Byram in 1870 but surrendered during the Depression. This needs looking at.

Yes it appears the official source from the State of Mississippi is actually wrong, the correct date is 16 June, this is confirmed by the US census and various local news reports. I linked the US census table instead of the local news sources as it seems most official.

• According to the note on Walls the incorporation date of 12 April 1972 (sorry I use British style dates out of habit), but the note says that this date is for the village of Memphis, and the larger town of Walls did not incorporate until 2003. Should the date not therefore be given as 2003?

This is very confusing to me too. I tried to clarify it in the note. From what I understand, Memphis incorporated in 1972, then later amalgamated Walls (which, since it was larger, the whole lot retained the name Walls), so this corporate entity, though name is changed, is indeed incorporated in 1972.

• As population figures for two municipalities in 2000 are not available, the total percentage figure for growth between 2000 and 2010 is inaccurate and should be omitted.

Yes I noticed this and have done this on one other list with clear missing data. However in this case, there are indeed new incorporated regions which adds very little to the population total. I suppose we can view this as an "increase in the number of people under municipal government" rather than absolute population growth rate. What do you think? Any alternatives to deleting the percent change? Mattximus (talk) 04:09, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

• I don't think you can say it is the increase in number under municipal govt as you include the change for Diamondhead, which was only incorporated in 2012. If the missing figures are similar to the 2010 ones, that would reduce the increase from 3.6% to 2.7%, which is significant. I think the only alternatives are to delete the percentages or insert estimated figures for the missing ones. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

• Sounds reasonable Dudley Miles, removed the percent change to keep it simple. Mattximus (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

• Looks fine apart from these points. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks Dudley Miles once again for your reviews of my lists! Great catches. I addressed everything but the last one which is absolutely up for debate. If you think strongly there is no alternative, I will just delete it. Mattximus (talk) 04:09, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments "299 incorporated municipalities " you link incorporated, "Mississippi's incorporated municipalities " you link municipalities... Fixed "Incorporated municipalities in Mississippi ..." you link "municipalities" again. Yep good catch, I missed this one. Bay St Louis is in the wrong starting place in the table. Normally this would be correct, however the US census puts the Saint places first in their sorting. I have a program that pulls this data from the US census bureau, so for updating purposes it's best to keep the same order. (In a few years I can get rid of that 2000 pop column altogether and put in the new numbers if the order is maintained). Well the only reason I noted it is that if you sort the table by municipality, the starting order is actually incorrect as Bay St Louis switches round. This is odd behaviour. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC) " the Town of Walls" why Town, why not just "town"? Fixed Walls and Byram, when sorting by Change, should be forced to sort as "zero" rather than less than the −55.7%. Agreed but I actually do not know how to do this without actually putting in a zero (this would not be accurate). I tried ndash but that just sorted it the other way and not in the middle. Any ideas? You can put a hidden zero in using {{Ntsh}}, that might work... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC) It worked! You are a wizard. Split references using "pipe"30em. Done En-dash required in ref titles, e.g. ref 4. I'm not sure what you mean by this, sorry. Ok, no problem. I'm referring to WP:DASH, part of the MOS which says we should use spaced en-dashes (–) rather than spaced hyphens (-). Ref 4 title has a hyphen. There may be others, so worth checking them all. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC) Great, I think I caught them all. See also section is in the wrong place. Fixed "Lists of cities in the United States by state" template should link to this article and not List of cities, towns, and villages in Mississippi. Fixed The Rambling Man (talk) 09:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC) Thanks again for your great review. I have a few questions about your comments regarding the sorting of the town of walls in the change column, and what you meant by En-dash. Both great suggestions and I'm happy to fix those once I know how, thanks again! Mattximus (talk) 02:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC) No worries, responded inline above. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC) Both of your suggestions worked, and now I believe all your recommendations have been met. Thanks again for your reviews! Mattximus (talk) 01:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Source review –

• The references are well-formatted, although having Town of Walls repeated as the publisher and work of ref 7 is a bit awkward. Not sure there's much you can do about that, though.

• Yeah I'm not sure what to do about it, it's written that way on the website as well.

• Since it's that way on the site itself, you're probably best off leaving it as is. We'll just have to live with it looking a bit odd. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

• What is the organization behind ref 6 (Mississippi Rails)? Is this an actual organization or a hobbyist's website? If the latter, I'm not convinced that it's reliable enough.

• I'm also not happy with that source, however it's the only one that lists the day and month for incorporation. I cross-checked it with the official website which states the same year, so as far as I can tell it is accurate. But yeah, I agree. Would you rather I delete the date altogether? Or keep it with this questionable (but cross-referenced) site. I'm happy whatever you recommend.

• If the site is questionable and a more reliable source can't be found, I suggest dropping the date. It's better to not include an item if it can't be reliably sourced. Take care of this and I think we can consider the source review passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

• Found a much better reference site, which quotes the "Charters of Municipalities, Office of the Secretary of State, State of Mississippi", and gives the same date. I am now more confident that it is the correct date.

• I don't know. This makes it look like the site is composed of user-submitted content, which doesn't make it the most reliable source in the world. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

• Fair enough, I've now used the cite US Bill template to cite the bill directly, unfortunately I cannot find an online version of it... if this doesn't work I'll just delete the day and month and leave it like that. Thanks for your keen eyes. Mattximus (talk) 14:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

• Ref 5 isn't connecting properly on the link-checker. Do me a favor and double-check that the page is still working; it may well be, as the link-checker sometimes has bad connections that turn out to be false positives. The rest of the links are in working order.

• You are right, the site has died, however I've added the internet archive version and kept the reference as it was the official website for the county.

Giants2008 (Talk) 03:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for the source review! I've addressed all your points, and await your advice. Mattximus (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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List of accolades received by Room

Nominator(s): Cowlibob (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Room is a 2015 drama directed by Lenny Abrahamson. It is best remembered for the Oscar winning performance of Brie Larson as an abducted woman forced to live in a small room with her child born while in captivity. The film received many awards which are listed here. As always I look forward to the constructive comments on how to improve it. Cowlibob (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

• Comment would love to support but I would like to address Wikipedia:Featured list criteria 5a. The table is squeezed badly, largely due to this edit. There may be a "norm," but national awards are worth a para, and when a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it Ribbet32 (talk) 07:52, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

@Ribbet32: Thanks for your comment. I've adjusted the size of the infobox size image so now the table is not cramped. Also moved Academy Awards to fourth para so that the third is only the national awards. Cowlibob (talk) 09:47, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support per above. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:36, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments

• "an abducted mother held captive for seven years with her five year old son" - either five-year or five years.
• I don't think it would be bad idea to combine the second para with the first.
• "Larson went on to win the Academy Award for Best Actress" - the Academy was just mentioned in the previous line. No need for "Academy Award for".
• "Larson also received" - using the pronoun will also do.
• When I sort Recipient(s) and nominee(s) the first one to appear is "Jack's escape and rescue", followed by "Outside" and "Room". I think it is due to the quotation sign.
• The Golden Trailer is a bit confusing to me; did the film win the same award (Independent Trailer) for "Outside" and "Room"? Are they the titles for the trailers?
• For the Academy of Canadian Cinema and Television Award for Best Achievement in Direction, I think it should read as Best Achievement in Direction not simply Best Direction.
• The names of the recipients for Casting Society of America's Feature Film Studio or Independent Drama appear in random order. It should be arranged in alphabetical order (last name wise).
• Ref 15 and 34 - Entertainment Weekly. I think you know what to do.
• Is News Blaze a reliable source? – FrB.TG (talk) 08:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: Thanks for your review. I think I've sorted the above. The order of nominees in Casting Society of America Awards is per the source which is the press release of the organisation. The about page for NewsBlaze I think provides enough information that it's a reliable source as it shows they have an editorial policy. [[3]] Cowlibob (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Support sorry for the late response. Also, I hope that you can review my and Famous Hobo's FLC for listings of Bradley Cooper's films. Cheers! – FrB.TG (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Comment First para of lead reads really clunkily to me, lots of very short, almost disconnected sentences. Otherwise this is top notch. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for having a look at the list. I've made some tweaks to the lead, let me know what you think. Cowlibob (talk) 21:36, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Yup, a shade better, so I'll support this nom. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Alright, source review passed, promoting. --PresN 21:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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Latin Grammy Hall of Fame

Nominator(s): Erick (talk) 01:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list based on the successful nomination of the Latin Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. Another Believer, who has worked on many Grammy-related lists, provided a quick review and gave me the encouragement to nominate this list. The first nomination failed to due to a lack of activity. Erick (talk) 01:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments " They are selected from all major categories of Latin music...." who, the pieces or the judges? " inductions were first presented" sounds odd to me, "the first inductions were made ..." Table needs row and col scopes. "Among those include" either replace "include" with "were" or replace with "These included..." You could expand more on the inductions, i.e. that they have only occurred three times, each times six years apart. Check ref titles for WP:DASH violations, e.g. ref 6. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC) @The Rambling Man: Hey TRM! Thanks for the review. I've fixed points #2, #4, and added the suggested "six years apart" occurrence for point #5. I need clarifications on what you're asking regarding point #1. I will have the table and reference next. Erick (talk) 16:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC) Regarding my first comment, we've lost track of who "they" are, the preceding sentence talks about judges, the one before that talks about the individual pieces of music. Which one of these are "selected from all major categories of Latin music"? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:43, 7 December 2016 (UTC) Alright, so I've merged the sentence with the preceding sentence to clarify. It now reads: "The recordings are picked by a panel of recording-arts professionals such as musicologists and historians and selected from all major categories of Latin music." Does that work? Erick (talk) 14:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC) I've corrected the dashes re: the 6th bullet point. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:01, 10 December 2016 (UTC) I'm afraid I don't really know how to help re: the 3rd bullet point ("Table needs row and col scopes"). I usually just copy the table formatting from one list to another, but I see that this table is a bit different than the other Grammy lists. @The Rambling Man: I realize it's not your job to address concerns, but might you be able to provide a link to a page describing what needs to be done, or an example of a similar list to mirror? ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:04, 10 December 2016 (UTC) @Another Believer: Thank you AB! I really appreciate your help! Erick (talk) 20:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC) Sure thing. Sorry for my delayed response, and I wish I knew how to help with the other concern, too... I'd like to see this list promoted, but I'm afraid table formatting is not my area of expertise. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC) I've added the col scopes and given an example of where to place and how to format the row scopes. Shouldn't take too long to fix it up. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC) Thank you very much, TRM. I'll let Erick take a stab at finishing. Much appreciated. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC) @The Rambling Man:, I think I got it. Please have a look and let me know if there's anything I overlooked. Thanks! Erick (talk) 14:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC) All good, thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Comment: I'd like just to note that User:AJona1992 supported this list's promotion in the first FLC round. Thanks. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:10, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

I, too, support this list's promotion assuming concerns by all other editors are resolved. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Another Believer! Erick (talk) 20:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

And I still do support this nomination, I see no issues for its second run here at FLC. – jona ✉ 02:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Aoba47

Comments from Aoba47 You use the word "recording" several times in the lead, and I would recommend changing one or two of these instances for the sack of variety. Two of the instances are for the proper noun "The Latin Recording Academy" and a quote ("early recordings of lasting"). For the third instance, I couldn't think of another word for "recording" so I used "albums and singles". I hope that's alright with you. No worries, I completely understand. Thank you for the comment. Aoba47 (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC) I am not a fan of the way that the Latin Grammy Awards information is phrased in the first sentence. It cuts off the sentence and separates the Latin Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences from the quote describing what it does in terms of the Latin Grammy Hall of Fame. The information about the Academy being behind the Latin Grammy Awards should be kept, but it may be better to revise it as the second sentence of the lead instead. I moved the mentioned of them also being responsible for the Latin Grammy Awards to a separate sentence. Would you need commas around the phrase "such as musicologists and historians"? Added commas. I am not sure what you mean by "selected from all major categories of Latin music". I am primarily confused by this because I am not sure if this part is connection to your reference to the Latin Grammy Awards, in that the songs are selected from the major award categories, or if you are reference selected from different genres/types of music overall? I would recommend making this a little more clear by saying "award categories" or a similar variation if you are referring to the Grammys here. Well this one is tricky because the source doesn't really specify. All it says is "Selections are drawn from all major categories of Latin music, acknowledging the diversity of musical expression for which the Latin Recording Academy has become renowned." My guess is that they mean all genres within the Latin music universe. Makes sense, thank you for the clarification! Aoba47 (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC) I would rephrase "The inductions have only occurred six years apart." to "The inductions have each occurred six years apart from one another." or some similar variation as the "only occurred" does not make sense in this context. Done! Why is the information on the sales/commercial performances of Siembra, Eres Tu, and Amor Eterno necessary for this page? This list is about those inducted into the Latin Grammy Hall of Fame, and the information on the commercial performance seems more appropriate for the page on the artist and their work instead of here. I have removed all mentions of commercial performances of recordings. While I will not require it for a support vote, I would highly encourage you to archive your references so you do not lose your hard work in the future. I have checked and ensured that the WayBack Machine has copies for the online sources (physical media like Billboard can be accessed offline as well thankfully). Just as a clarification question, you do have a lot of red links on this page. That is not a bad thing, but red links should only be used when you feel that the topic is notable enough to have its own article. If you believe that all of the red links have potential, that is fine (I do find red links to be helpful for encouraging users to create new pages), but again I just want to draw your attention to this. From my point of view, if the recordings are deemed to be very important by music historians and musicologists, then they are probably notable enough to have an article about them. They all likely made an impact in the Latin music universe in some capacity. @Magiciandude: This was a very interesting read! Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. If you have any questions about my review, please let me know. I would greatly appreciate it if you could do a review for my current FLC for the list Alyssa Milano discography, but I understand that it is a busy time of the year, and you have not have the time or interest in doing so. Good luck with this nomination! Aoba47 (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC) @Aoba47: Hey Aoba47, thanks for the review! I've replied to each of your comments above. Erick (talk) 17:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support this nomination. Wonderful job with this, and good luck with getting it promoted in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
• Support I echo the previous reviewers, nice job Magiciandude. My review found the following: (1) Earwig shows copyvio unlikely, (2) W3C finds no dead links, (3) the lede is concise, relevant, and compliant with WP:LEDE, (4) I did not locate any (uncorrected) spelling or grammar issues), (5) content that is uncited in infobox is cited in body of article, (6) all claims in table are supported by RS, as is the lede, (7), good categorization, (8) article is stable with only the nom doing substantive recent work on it and just a short discussion on the Talk page. It would be nice to see some more images but I don't have any bright ideas of what could be included. It appears, from my own search, that the LGHOF doesn't have a brand logo, for instance. Anyway, I think this is a short and concise, but very well constructed list and good FLC! LavaBaron (talk) 01:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Source review: passed. Alright, second time's the charm, promoting! --PresN 21:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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Bradley Cooper on screen and stage

Nominator(s): Famous Hobo and FrB.TG (talk) 19:47, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I am returning to FLC after a break of a month and a half. I thought I should finish the work on this list with Famous Hobo (who has done most of the work for the list BTW) since I have also written his FA-class biography. – FrB.TG (talk) 19:47, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support - Looks great.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 19:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support - Can't find any major flaws here. Maybe a keener pair of eyes can spot things out, but this list looks solid to me. Just one query though — "played a dual role in a 2006 onstage production of Three Days of Rain" — You didn't mention Broadway there. You actually mention that "Cooper returned to Broadway for the 2014 run of The Elephant Man". Either you can mention Broadway in the first bit or you can simply say "Cooper returned to stage work for the 2014 run of The Elephant Man".  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 12:30, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Good catch, Sven. Thank you both for your reviews. – FrB.TG (talk) 12:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support A pristine list. While I was checking the on-screen appearances, I was wondering why the details for A Star is Born (2018 movie) have not been included...[6][7]. Thanks. Lourdes 18:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess that is because filming for A Star is Born has not yet begun. It will be added as and when that happens. Cheers! – FrB.TG (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Lourdes 02:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments "In the action television series Alias,..." put a timeframe here as the previous sentence left us in 2015... The lead stops at 2015, we're almost finished in 2016, what about those movies? Older Than America -> Older than America No need to disambiguate James Gunn. Same comment applies to Wet Hot American Summer: First Day of Camp. It's mildly interesting that he played Merrick at theatres on either side of the Pond, perhaps worth including in the lead. Note c needs a full stop. Check ref titles for WP:DASH violations, e.g. ref 17 and ref 53 and ref 55... Add Category:Actor filmographies. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:35, 6 December 2016 (UTC) I have addressed your concerns, The Rambling Man. Many thanks. – FrB.TG (talk) 13:15, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support all good. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments by Mymis

• "although he only played an active role in the" -> what is an "active role"? Maybe "a recurring role" would be slightly more clear?
• "His performance in the latter in particular was widely praised, and was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor, among other awards" -> it sounds as "his performance was nominated for the award", but I believe it should be "he was nominated for the award for his performance". maybe change to "...praised, gaining him a nomination for..."
• Last sentence in the introduction needs a ref.

Mymis (talk) 20:10, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Mymis. I have adapted your suggestions. – FrB.TG (talk) 20:25, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Few minor issues: in references, E! -> E! Online, you use screencrush.com twice but with different publishers, and I believe regular dashes (-) should be changed to en dashes (–). Besides that, great job on the article, and you have my support. Mymis (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Done. Also, I just found out that The Daily Telegraph interview was used twice in different instances in the list. This has now been fixed. Famous Hobo (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Support. All looks fine, although I think you should give his year of birth at the start. I did wonder whether when you say "x episodes" it would be helpful to say out of how many, but maybe that is not usual. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47

• This is more of a clarification/style preference question, but do you think that it would be better to replace "a brief role" with either "by appearing in an episode" or something to clarify that he appeared as a guest star? I could see "a brief role" being read somewhat ambiguously (even though it is made very clear in the chart/body of the article). This may be more of a personal preference, but I just wanted to raise this point to you.
• I would suggest revising the sentence about Alias in the lead to better reflect his role on the show. He was actually one of the main characters (included in the main opening credits and everything) for the first two seasons and then made a few guest starring appearances in subsequent seasons. It may be better to say something along the lines of "although he only played a lead role in the series for the first two seasons." I know it is really nitpicky, but just trying to help to make sure everything is being represented accurately.

These are the only two points that I could find. Otherwise, great work with the article! I primarily know him from when I watched Alias all of those years ago, so it is cool to see that his career became so successful. Aoba47 (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Aoba. Both alterations have been made. - FrB.TG (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Support. Thank you for your quick response and great job with the article. If possible, could you help me with my FLC for Alyssa Milano discography? Aoba47 (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Source review

• Formatting: passed
• Spotchecks: The NYT refs seems to have gone all wierd. For example, ref 24 (Case 39) - you have two NYT refs, but when I click on them I'm redirected to the same article, [8], a review of the movie. The bottom of the review seems to have the cast/crew information you were citing separately, so it looks like you just have to replace the double-refs with a single reference to the review page(s). Other than that, looks fine; will promote once this issue is resolved. --PresN 21:26, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, PresN. I have replaced all three double-refs from NYT with the review links. - FrB.TG (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay, promoting. --PresN 22:51, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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Tamannaah filmography

Nominator(s): Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I created this list in June 2015 and actively reworked on it in April 2016. It has been copy-edited twice: once by Jaguar, and later by Twofingered Typist (GOCE). I have postponed it from nominating because of edit wars. Currently, the article is relatively stable. I'm looking forward for constructive comments, if any. Thank you. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Update — Notified at the following talk pages: Noticeboard for India-related topics, WikiProject Maharashtra, WikiProject Mumbai, WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, and WikiProject Women. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments from FrB.TG making a very brief return to FLC. I don't intend to revisit this nominations. Here are a few thoughts you can consider or dismiss:

• "Tamannaah's breakthrough roles in Telugu and Tamil cinema came with Happy Days and Kalloori" - a respectively is needed here.

• Done Added.

• "Tamannaah had five roles in 2009 including:" - I think instead of the colon we need a comma before the word "including". I have not seen colon being used like this not at least in these examples.

• Done Removed.

• "one of the most sought-after actresses" - I think popular would do better than sought-after which reads kind of informal.

• Done Changed. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

• "a nomination in the Best Actress – Telugu category at the 59th" - in a lead consisting of only three paragraphs the usage of the word "category" is very frequent.

• Reduced the occurrences to two.

• "She appeared in four films in the following year" - the second "in" is unnecessary.

• Done Removed.

• " While Veeram was a profitable venture,[21] Entertainment was only a moderate success,[22] the remaining underperformed at the box office" - "while" is a conjunction used to combine two sentences, not three.

• Good catch. Fixed it.

• "Tamannaah played Avanthika, a warrior princess" - we do not need the name of her role unless it is a part of any literature or a character of historic significance. I see that some more are repeated in the next sentences; better leave them in the table.

• Done as suggested.

• For some reason, rowspan is discouraged in filmographies.

• I don't think so. It is harmless enough; i'm able to sort the coloumns with no issues.

• For bilingual films, I don't think you need to make two rows for them eg instead of Hindi<br>Tamil, you can simply use a comma i.e. Hindi, Tamil.

• I don't think that it would be helpful. A sortable coloumn, Language may be affected because of this.

• I think references look better in the center position.

• Fixed it.

Support Although this needs a bit of work, I don't intend to return to this nomination so this is up to the nominator whether to consider my points or disagree with them explaining why. Overall this is a decent effort which with some work can be brought to FL status. Good luck. – FrB.TG (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for taking time and providing some comments. Considering that the reviewer shall not return, i should not expect anything more. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:58, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

;Comments by Cowlibob "Tamannaah is an Indian actress who has appeared predominantly in Telugu and Tamil cinema apart from a few Hindi films.". How about Tamannaah is an Indian actress known for her work in Telugu and Tamil cinema. Done The next sentence sound awkward perhaps split into two sentences, one mentioning her acting debut and then the next one specifying she followed this with her debut in what she's known for. Done As suggested. What did critics think of her performance in the debut films? Sometimes people appreciate the performance even in box office disasters. That is not the case here. She did received negative response. Why were those films specifically her breakthrough roles? Was her performance appreciated, were they particularly profitable? Both were the reason. I've specified the same. Next sentence is awkward, mentioning she starred in five films but the only mentioning three in the sentence. Perhaps cut this sentence. Done Removed. What role did she play in Konchem Ishtam Konchem Kashtam? Difficult to say. It was a simple romance, and she played a simple girl-next-door living in a village who visits the city on a vacation. I failed to mention this properly in the lead and hence backed out. Was her role Kanden Kadhalai a complete copy of Kareena's in Jab We Met? I didn't watch the film; Though the director refutes, the reviews say that the film is a faithful remake: 1, 2, 3 "By then, she had become one of the popular actresses in Tamil cinema". That's a superlative statement, perhaps back it up with why, had she starred in a number of films that were hits or her performance had been appreciated? The second citation, authored by a trade analyst, says commercial success as the reason. I've added the same. Any particular reason why she didn't star in a Telugu film for two years? Source quotes her saying scheduling conflicts with other Tamil films. "fetched" is too informal Changed to "gained". "from an unspecified era" not needed Done Removed. Any television roles? Not yet. I know she's had a short career but has Tamannaah changed the roles she takes during her career for example opting for more dramatic roles, less commercial to avoid being typecast? I don't know. IMHO, she mostly manages to take roles that have some importance in the plot, at least minimum. Any alternative references, where you've cited the film itself such as 40,33, 38. Using such references, makes it hard to verify. Cowlibob (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2016 (UTC) Agreed. Sorry for the inconvenience. But, i could not find any. I will try once again, and shall try to change them. @Cowlibob: Thanks for providing the comments and minor copy-edits. Looking forward for further constructive comments, if any. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 03:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Support Good list. Although I would prefer if the primary sources were replaced for some awards and films. Cowlibob (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from - Vivvt (Talk) 07:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Vivvt "She made her acting debut in" So far, she is only know as an actress. So "acting" debut is not needed. Done Removed the term. "with Sri and her Tamil debut". "her" not needed. Done Removed. "Tamannaah's performance in Konchem Ishtam Konchem Kashtam (2009) ... another nomination at the 57th Filmfare Awards South in the Best Actress – Tamil category." Both the sentences can be clubbed together as they repeat her nomination at 57th Filmfare Awards South in two languages. Also, Kareena Kapoor's mention is not needed. But you can take second opinion on that. Clubbed them as per your suggestion. "Due to her series of commercially successful films, she had become one of the popular actresses in Tamil cinema." Try rephrasing. Sounds little weird to me. Tried to rephrase the sentence. Hope it looks fine now. "She starred in five films in 2011 including 100% Love, which marked her return to Telugu films" I know source says "return" but one year gap is not return to me. Her last film was in 2009. I would like to go with what the source says, though it is a gap of just 2 years. Mention language for Siruthai. Done "Tamannaah played leading roles", "Tamannaah played the female lead". Be consistent. Chose the second. "Bilingual film", "Trilingual film" mention not needed as the language column displays the languages. Removed them as per your suggestion. Use "Sortname" template over "Sort" for names. Done Period not needed in the notes section. Sorry. Didn't get you. "Period" is the American alternative for "full stop". Kailash29792 (talk) 14:43, 11 November 2016 (UTC) Done Removed. - Vivvt (Talk) 06:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC) @Vivvt: Thanks for the review. I've addressed your comments and am looking forward for further constructive comments if any. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support My comments have been resolved. All the best. - Vivvt (Talk) 07:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (talk) 09:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Vensatry Tamil and Telugu are piped to the film industries, but Hindi is linked to the language. Linked to Bollywood. "The same year, she made her Telugu film debut with Sri and Tamil debut with Kedi the following year." -> Comma needed after Sri. Done "A series of commercially successful films established her as one of the notable actresses in Tamil cinema." - 'Notable' is a little problematic; something like "A series of commercially successful films helped her establish a career in Tamil cinema" would work. 'While ...' is often discouraged in FLs. Done Rephrased. I thought "while" was a neutral replacement for terms like "despite" and "although". Kailash29792 (talk) 13:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC) How about "Though"? No, I'm talking about sentences beginning with 'while'. —Vensatry (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC) Tried rewording those lines. Hope i am successful. Link "one of the highest grossing Indian films" appropriately. Linked to List of highest-grossing Indian films. Source review (spot checks included) Ref #14 is incomplete I don't know how to fix it. Kailash, can you help me? Vensatry, how exactly is this ref "incomplete"? I know there isn't a URL in this ref, but the event was uploaded in separate parts on Dailymotion (albeit from unverified channels). What to do if there isn't a single-edited version? Kailash29792 (talk) 06:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC) It needs a url (of course from a verified publisher). —Vensatry (talk) 08:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC) It is pretty ironic that Filmfare and TOI published the winners, and non reliable sources too ignored the nominees. I don't see any proper way to find a URL. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 04:55, 23 November 2016 (UTC) Refs. #15, #45 need author How i missed this? I've added them. Thanks for the catch. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:52, 21 November 2016 (UTC) Is there a reason for not adding links in refs. #33, #37, #39, et al? Linked the film title, director, and production company if possible. Link India Today on the first instance. Done Random ones: #1, #2, #4, #11, #29, #42, #43, #56, #68, #76 - Material faithful to the source Ref #3 says both the films were successful; it doesn't mention the 'breakthrough' thing. Got it wrong somewhere. Changed it to first success. Ref #38 doesn't mention Netru Indru Naalai I found one source where the film's makers stated that Ninna Nedu Repu is a bilingual. But, the Tamil title was not specified. Any suggestion? Ref #30 doesn't mention the director —Vensatry (talk) 13:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC) Added a source for the same. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 05:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support, meets the standards. —Vensatry _(talk) 09:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Kailash

• Tamannaah performed an item number in the Kannada-Telugu bilingual Jaguar: "Sampige", but that is the Kannada title. I found that the song was titled "Mandara Thailam" in Telugu, but can a source be added for this? Even a video (but from a verified YouTube channel) will do.

• Done

• "Kannada language" redirects to "Kannada".

• Done

• I don't know, but is it fine to include her appearance in Jaguar in the lead? I say this due to it being her only Kannada film.

• Well Kailash, it is as good as Aishwarya Rai's only Telugu film appearance. :)

• Vensatry, would it be better if the lead linked to the languages rather than industries, like this? Tamannaah is an Indian actress known for her work in Telugu and Tamil language films. She made her debut in 2005 at the age of 15 with Chand Sa Roshan Chehra in Hindi. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

  Agreed —Vensatry _(talk) 15:49, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

  Changed as per suggestion. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 05:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Kailash29792 and Vensatry: Are you both satisfied with the responses to your comments? --PresN 20:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@PresN:Your take on the first point (under the source review)? Btw, {{ping}} doesn't work anymore. —Vensatry _(talk) 11:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@Vensatry: Yeah, right now that cite is actually to... the event itself. It's completely non verifiable without a time machine. You need a recording or a 3rd-party reference to refer to. Even a valid broadcast information would work, like Cite TV episode. --PresN 16:49, 2 December 2016 (UTC) (Oh, and {{ping}} and {{re}} are both just redirects to {{reply to}}, and I got your message, so... pretty sure ping still works (usually).)

Well, if that is the case, i have removed the reference and the content associated with it. And, it is unlikely that i may find something actually fit. So, anything else from my side to be addressed? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

You still have three {{cite AV media}} refs. —Vensatry _(talk) 19:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@Vensatry: That's because there are no RSs (like Rediff, TOI, The Hindu, Hindustan Times) that show the actors' character names, as well as who the director is. There are reviews from IndiaGlitz (which is deemed unreliable by WP) however.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 11:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@PresN and Vensatry: I've provided links from YouTube (obviously from verified publishers). Anything else? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

For YT links, you've used both 'cite AV Media' and 'cite web' templates. —Vensatry _(talk) 08:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@Vensatry: Rectified on Pavan's behalf.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 11:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

The publisher/work parameters are still inconsistent. —Vensatry _(talk) 06:23, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Vensatry: Can you be more specific?  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 07:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

In YT links. —Vensatry _(talk) 08:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Vensatry: Just rectified them.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 09:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments Image caption is a fragment so no full stop required. Done Link ₹. Done Linked items in the table should be linked on every instance as the table is sortable. Done Sakthi Chidambaram instead of Shakti Chidambaram. Done N. Lingusamy instead of N. Linguswamy. Done "Nominated—Filmfare Award for Best Actress – Tamil" I thought it was Filmfare Award South? Well, the event is "Filmfare Awards South", but the categories are split according to language. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 09:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Kailash

• Tamannaah played an extra in Enakku 20 Unakku 18, but I can't find any English RS to prove it. Vensatry and Ssven2, will either of these do? s-escape-from-jothikrishna.htm and [10]. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

The source doesn't say so. —Vensatry _(talk) 12:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Try using YouTube videos as refs. She's there in the songs "Gama Gama" and "Oru Nanban Irundhaal". Ironic, isn't it? Trishtrashers played Simran's friend in Jodi and here Tamannahspeaks plays Trishtrashers' friend.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 12:37, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I hate this. Any police officer or high court would pass the videos as credible references (even though they are fan uploads), but (scoffs) Wikipedia wouldn't do the same. Now if we say Chand Sa Roshan Chehra was Tamannaah's debut film, it is wrong. But if we say it was her debut in a major role, others will be like, "what did she do before?" and that puts us in limbo. Was Tamannaah credited onscreen in Enakku 20 Unakku 18? Kailash29792 (talk) 12:51, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Uncredited. I tried searching for other sources (in both English and Tamil), but none of them seem to say that Tamannah had an uncredited role in the film.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

If we can't find a reliable source to support that part, you could just modify the lead to not say absolutely that the Chand Sa Roshan Chedra role was her debut, avoiding the issue altogether. For purposes of moving this FLC towards a conclusion, I suggest doing that. The extra role can always be added later if a good source presents itself. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Giants2008: I've changed it accordingly. Do check if it is okay.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 08:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Jnanpith Award

Nominator(s): Dharmadhyaksha (talk · contribs) and Vivvt (talk · contribs)

One of the most important literary awards in India. The list has gone through major changes recently and we believe that it follows the required guidelines to be a FL. Hoping to see some constructive comments/criticism. - Vivvt (Talk) 05:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

• Quite a few issues with the English, I have to say.....
  • "the award is bestowed only on the Indian writers who have been writing in Indian languages...." => "the award is bestowed only on Indian writers writing in Indian languages...."

    • Done

  • "The first recipient of the award was Malayalam litterateur" - what is a "litterateur"? I am a native English speaker and have never seen this word in my life
    • This is a word with French origin as per Oxford.
      • It must be a super super obscure word. For the benefit of readers not familiar with it, I would suggest using "literary experts" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:39, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

        • Done

          • Still being used in two other places in the article........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
            • @ChrisTheDude: Done My bad! - Vivvt (Talk) 15:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • "who was awarded in 1965" => "who received the award in 1965"

    • Done

  • "The rules were revised for the forthcoming years to consider works during the period of last twenty years" => "The rules were revised in subsequent years to consider only works published during the preceding twenty years"

    • Done

  • "As of 2015," - we are now quite close to 2017, is this still true?
    • @ChrisTheDude:Thats correct. 2016 award is not yet declared. - Vivvt (Talk) 17:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
  • "to start a scheme in literary or cultural field" - I think just "to start a scheme" is sufficient, the fact that it was for a book makes it obvious that it was in the literary field

    • Done

  • "were invited in Delhi" => "were invited to Delhi"

    • Done

  • "Sampurnanand presided the committee" => "Sampurnanand acted as president of the committee"

    • Done

  • "The first Selection Board comprised of" => "The first Selection Board consisted of"

    • Done

  • "The works that were published between 1921 and 1951 were considered" => "Works that were published between 1921 and 1951 were considered"

    • Done

  • "translations of the work in Hindi or English" => "translations of the work into Hindi or English"

    • Done

  • "Every three years, an advisory committee is constituted for all the languages" => "Every three years, an advisory committee is constituted for each of the languages"

    • Done

  • "The language of the recent recipient's work is not eligible for consideration for the next two years" => "The language of the most recent recipient's work is not eligible for consideration for the next two years"

    • Done

  • "The Selection Board consists of maximum eleven and minimum seven members" => "The Selection Board consists of between seven and eleven members"

    • Done

  • "Having final authority in selection, the recipient for a particular year is announced by the Selection Board" => "The recipient for a particular year is announced by the Selection Board, which has final authority in selection"

    • Done

• Hope this helps -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: I have addressed most of your comments. Please let us know if you have more. 10:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
• Support - apologies for not returning here earlier -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks much for your comments and support. - Vivvt (Talk) 05:41, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Prose comments and source review - spot-checks not included

• "cash prize of ₹1 lakh (US$1,500)" - I think it might be wise to not use the INRConvert template as it causes a problem for inflation. The date of the amount goes back to 60s and the date of conversion.... well. Besides, it's an international encyclopedia not American/Canadian/Australian...
  • Dharmadhyaksha worked on this. Hope thats correct.
• "Malayalam writer G. Sankara Kurup" - I think using the definite article (i.e. the Malayalam writer) is more desirable in BrEng (I might be correct in assuming that it and IndEng are very similar) and should be used here and from herein.

  • Done

• "chaired by Kaka Kalelkar" - just her last name will do since his name was mentioned in the previous para.

  • Done

• "which also can be" better as "which can also be"

  • Done

• Formatting - I personally wiki-link entries on first instance but I think Vivvt thinks another way.
  • Correct. :)
• Ref 9 - I would remove Asian News International.

  • Done

• Ref 13 - The Telegraph => The Telegraph (Calcutta). We have other versions too.

  • Done

• Ref 15 - India Today; italics please.

  • Done

• Ref 30 - perhaps consider removing Press Trust of India since you are inconsistent when it comes to this.

  • Done

• Ref 33, 39 - ditto.

  • Done

That is all I could find. My concerns are not very serious and I am confident that the nominators will deal with them properly so I don't see the need for a revisit. Based on that, I am adding my support for the nomination's promotion. – FrB.TG (talk) 20:38, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

• @FrB.TG: Thanks much for your comments and support. - Vivvt (Talk) 09:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments Be consistent with the spelling of Raghuvir Chaudhari's name. Done Personally I'd like to see the languages linked, as I have never heard of Odia, Marathi, Assamese etc. Done No need for the Indian literature category. Done Otherwise very good. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC) @The Rambling Man: I have addressed your comments. Please let us know if you have more. - Vivvt (Talk) 02:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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I saw your notice at WP Awards & prizes. My only question is why is this a Featured List and not a Featured Article? If it's a list then the emphasis is on the list of award winners. In which case we normally have separate articles for the award itself rather than trying to fit a full article into the top of a list. See Nobel Prize in Literature and List of Nobel laureates in Literature (Featured).

Suggest a separate article for the award, move most of the prose content to it, and rename this article List of Jnanpith Award winners. Otherwise what happens is once it becomes enshrined as Featured content in list format, it becomes difficult for future editors to expand the non-list portion without breaking its status as a list article (adding many sub-sections, extended content about controversies, third party reporting about the award on a year by year basis etc..) Once it's featured content, it becomes difficult to break off the list portion into a separate article from the article portion (about the prize) because there is 'community consensus'. Design it from the start around the assumption there will be future expansion about the award itself. -- GreenC 15:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Green Cardamom: There never is a clear-cut demarcation of a list and article on Wikipedia, which is always a debatable issue and I suppose it is settled case by case, which also makes sense. Through various observations so far I and @Vivvt: have been deciding on whether it’s a list or article simply based on the encyclopaedic content we can find, look at how it has developed and then seeing the size of prose opt for FA or FL. Dadasaheb Phalke Award is one such FL where it does not have a separate parent article and the list is in it. Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna is similar example of FL, which has more text than DPA and also includes a controversy section at the end to mention some notable incidences. Likewise, Bharat Ratna (current GA) is another joint page but is treated as article for the large amount of prose present. Same is with Geet Ramayan (current GA) which is also basically by nature a huge list of songs but has more prose around it and is hence treated as article. Coming back to our subject topic, the content present now is more or less what will stay with minor changes related to the "most recent recipient". There have been no substantially documented controversies so far since 50 years of this award and any such controversies arising further can very well be documented in few sentences within this current format. But i would say that most of those controversies would not find way here anyways and would need to be removed as case of recentism and sloppy we-brought-it-to-you-first type of gossipy journalism. But as I said, we always have space for few condensed sentences if they really are worth it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:35, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

It's fine as it stands. There's no need to create a separate article, it just leads to massive duplication and parallel maintenance issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• Spot-checks – I checked refs 25, 30, and 38, and found no verifiability concerns. Since that was the last outstanding item, I'll go ahead and promote the list. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:02, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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List of Local Nature Reserves in Essex

Nominator(s): Dudley Miles (talk) 10:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

This list is in the same format as other featured lists of Local Nature Reserves, such as Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, and I hope it will also be found to meet the criteria. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments Not sure why Essex is emboldened at the start of the lead. Changed to link. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Convert the area into sq km or hectares or something appropriately metric. Fixed. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Isn't Southend on Sea hyphenated? Fixed. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) "0.5 hectares" metric this time? Suggest consistent Imperial (metric) or the other way round. Fixed. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) " 75% of these are hornbeam..." shouldn't start sentences with numbers... Fixed. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) "The 8.5 long " missing a unit (and a conversion). Fixed. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Any good reason that Pale Flax is capitalised thus? Fixed. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) That's about it this time round. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Thanks for the review. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC) You're welcome. I'll cap and support in due course, just interested to see what other reviewers have to say... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• Support no major issues raised, I'm happy. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Many thanks The Rambling Man. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support lavishly illustrated, well-cited, all problems identified above fixed LavaBaron (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments

• Why are we converting kilometer to miles? The subject is not American nor is this encyclopedia.

  Brits use miles. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Changed. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• I am not sure if you need the initials under Keys to be bold.

• They are in bold in other similar lists and I think it is better to be consistent.

• The beginning of the description of the sites are quite repetitive. Most of them either begin with "This (site)" or "The (site)". I would rearrange.

• I will work on this. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• I have amended to give more variety to the beginnings. Does it look OK now FrB.TG? Dudley Miles (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

It's certainly better now.

• Why are the YES (under public access) in capital?

• Changed. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• I think you might need to wiki-link the publishers in references (or not). It is up to you.

• I have never (or very rarely) wiki-linked publishers and I do not think it is usual. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I think that is it. – FrB.TG (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC) PS if it is not too much to ask, could you perhaps consider posting at FLC for listings of Bradley Cooper's films?

• Many thanks for your comments FrB.TG. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Support FrB.TG (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Source review passed- not linking publishers is unusual, but is not against any rules as long as you're consistent. Promoting. --PresN 17:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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List of Cardiff City F.C. seasons

Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked to improve it to a level that should meet the required FL criteria. I have used the List of York City F.C. seasons, List of Watford F.C. seasons and List of Birmingham City F.C. seasons pages as guides in order to improve the list. I have also received some very helpful pointers from Struway2 to bring it up to scratch. Kosack (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comments from ChrisTheDude
  • First sentence needs a source
  • "the club were granted permission to adopt the name Cardiff City" - by whom?
  • "but their relegation in 1962 lead" - spelling error
  • "the longest absence in the clubs history" - missing apostrophe
  • "22nd in the Fourth Division in the 1995–96 season" - how can this be? There was no Fourth Division in 1995-96
  • "saw them rise from the Fourth Division to the Second Division in just three seasons" - similarly, this can't be correct
  • Why are seasons before 1910 not included in the table? Is the data not available? If so, this should be clearly stated, although I'd be surprised if there wasn't a club history book that contained the info.......
  • In note I, system is spelt wrong
  • In note J, the name of the team was Corinthian (singular)
  • In note M, "The Third Division South Cup was abandoned at the sem-final stage during the 1938–39 season following the outbreak of World War II" - how can this be? The 1938-39 season would have been long over by the time war broke out (also, semi-final is spelt wrong)
  • Note Q needs a full stop.
  • As does note T
• Think that's it..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: Thanks very much for reviewing the page. I've cleaned up the numerous grammar and spelling issues now. Some explanation on some of the points:

2 - The club history does not say who they actually applied to, HERE. If that is an issue then I'm happy to reword that sentence to something such as "changed their name to Cardiff City".

7 - Statistics for the seasons prior to 1910 seem to be non-existent as far as I can see. I own numerous club history books, including the "definitive" statistical history written by the club historian Richard Shepherd, but none of these provide any information on those seasons. The same can be said for the web sources such as the Football Club History Database and the Welsh Football Data Archive.

10 - The semi-final and final were held over until the following season but never played after the war broke out. The source for that is HERE. I have tidied up the note to hopefully explain that a bit better.

Thanks. Kosack (talk) 12:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, I've noticed a couple of other, fairly minor, points.....
  • In the notes, you use both "Division 1" and "Division One" (and similar) - choose one format and be consistent
  • General refs should be formatted using citation templates just like the specific ones
• Think that's really it this time...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: Sorted those two issues now. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support - all looks OK now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments Link "friendlies" in the lead to Exhibition game for our non-English readers... "in 1907. The following year, in 1908," - the "in 1908" is superfluous. "been denied permission the" would lose the "permission" repeat here. "also began competing regularly" or just "competed regularly"? Consider link the English football pyramid phrase to English football league system. "in the clubs history " club's. "at Wembley Stadium in 1927.[7][8] They also won the FA Charity Shield in 1927 " two links in two consecutive sentences which simply say "1927". Avoid this kind of Easter egg linking. "Cardiff City's league positions between 1920 and 2015" caption conflicts with the image heading. Most of the season links are redirects, using a hyphen rather than an en-dash, that's not mega-important, but it'd be nice to fix them. Be consistent, in the lead you have "World War I" but in the table you have "First World War" (I prefer the latter). "Promoted via play-offs" colour needs a symbol too per WP:ACCESS. Some hyphens in year ranges etc in the refs (e.g. ref 1). Avoid SHOUTING in ref titles. Ref 26 is lacking a page, publication year etc. Ref 5 is from The Mirror (which should be The Mirror) which wouldn't usually be considered a reliable source. Ref 11, Daily Telegraph is a work, not a publisher. "Cardiff City F.C." is a superfluous category as you have "Cardiff City F.C. seasons" which is more refined. Kosack, that's it from a quick run-through, sorry you had to wait three months for a second review. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC) @The Rambling Man: That's no problem, thanks for taking the time to review the page. I've hopefully sorted all the points you listed. Kosack (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support all my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Source review

• Randomly crosschecked five sources, no issues with close paraphrasing
• Ref 10 can also be found in 'general'. But because you've put it in the 'specific' section, page numbers are needed.
• Ref 7, 8, 11, 36 need authors
• So do "England - Southern League Final Tables", and "England – List of FA Charity/Community Shield Matches".
• What makes 'Sporting Heroes' a high-quality, reliable source? Same question goes for Footballsite.co.uk, I'd recommend that you change both.
• Ref 9's 'rsssf.com' should be written as 'The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation'
• Books need publishing location
• No dab links, or dead ones for that matter
• Two images, both of which appropriately licensed Lemonade51 (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@Lemonade51: Thanks for reviewing the page, I think I've fixed the issues you listed. Kosack (talk) 14:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments – Firstly, I apologize for how long this has taken. We've seen a slowdown in reviewing activity lately, and lists are having longer FLCs as a result. I was actually on the verge of archiving the FLC due to a lack of reviews, before The Rambling Man provided comments on Sunday and started a burst of activity. Let's see if we can bring this FLC a step closer to a happy conclusion, with the handful of comments I have after reading through the list. "but their relegation in 1962 led to a decline in the clubs fortunes...". "clubs" → "club's". Comma needed after Sam Hammam. MOS:BOLD discourages the use of bolding for emphasis, which I see in places in the table. I understand that scopes force bolding, so I can live with the seasons being bold. However, I don't think the first-place finishes and cup wins should be bolded, as that would seem to go against the MoS guideline. Per WP:ACCESS, colored items should have a matching symbol. These have been provided for several colors, but not for first- or second-place results. Minor point, but the general references could stand to be put in alphabetical order, or at least the ones with authors. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC) @Giants2008: Thanks very much for your review. I've fixed all those points apart from the fourth item. Other football lists, including the three I mentioned in the intro, seem to use the 1st or W, for example, as the actual key symbol itself rather than use something else. I'm happy to change if necessary but thought I would bring it up so it's inline with other football season articles. Kosack (talk) 07:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support – Still not thrilled with the symbol thing, but it's probably not worth further delaying matters. The rest of the list looks fine to me, so I'm willing to go along with the current formatting. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Double-checked that the source review responses fixed the issues, and they do, so promoting. --PresN 16:58, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Rajinikanth filmography

Nominator(s): Kailash29792 (talk), —Vensatry _(talk) 09:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Rajinikanth is arguably the biggest 'Superstar' in Indian cinema. His body of work encompasses 170-odd films across seven languages. He has been in the industry for over 40 years, and is among India's highest paid actors in the last two decades. The previous nomination was archived due to inactivity. Should things go well, the list shall appear on the main page on 12 December (coinciding with the actor's 66th birthday)! Look forward to comments and suggestions. —Vensatry _(talk) 09:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Pavanjandhyala

The list looks fine to me and better than the previous attempt. Three issues however.

• "...and the Telugu film Chilakamma Cheppindi, in which he played a lead role for the first time in his career." Source?
• "Rajinikanth played a Malaysian Tamil crime boss in Kabali, which had the biggest weekend opening for an Indian film and went on to become the second-highest grossing Tamil film of all time." Again, source?
• So many green links and two blue links. Please fix them. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:26, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

• @Pavanjandhyala: All done. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry _(talk) 09:12, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Support Good. All the best! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Support, but I think Note a should be changed to "Also producer" and note e should be changed to "Character's full name: Ranoji Rao Shivaji Rao Gaekwad Jadichmul Arjun Thange".--Deoliveirafan (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

• @Deoliveirafan: Done, thanks —Vensatry _(talk) 19:30, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

• Comment – While reading the list, I noticed several links to full-length YouTube videos spread throughout. Are they are okay to have in the article from a legal standpoint? If they're copyvios from some random YouTube poster, then we can't link to them here. Other than that point, this seems like a fine piece of work. Also, I'll make sure to leave December 12 open for you. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:16, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

• @Kailash29792: Can you take care of Giants' concern, as I'm likely to remain busy for the next two days? —Vensatry _(talk) 10:30, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes I'll do it. And Giants2008, I know Vensatry has only used videos from verified YouTube channels. So they should pass WP:RS and not border on copyvio. Besides, I cannot currently check YouTube since it is blocked from where I'm editing, but I'll check tonight. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:36, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support – As long as both of you are confident about the status of the links, I'll assume good faith on the issue. That was my only concern, as the rest of the article looks solid to me. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments from FrB.TG

• "who has appeared in over 150 films" - I think it should be "more than 150 films" since the source says 158 films.

I go with you statement. I think "over" usually means significantly more than, Kailash29792 (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it makes a difference. Kailash29792, is it a rule? —Vensatry _(talk) 14:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

• "He began his film career by" - I am sorry, did he appear in TV shows or theater plays, too?

Yes, he acted in plays before being cast in Apoorva Raagangal. Besides, I do not want to see the word "film" be overused. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I think you have misinterpreted my comment. I was rather asking for the usage of the word "film" in the sentence. Since there are no other works e.g. theater or television included in the list, I think there is no need for "film". And the same goes for my comment below. – FrB.TG (talk) 13:00, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

He started his career as: bus conductor-> theatre artist -> film actor. I know we're discussing about his filmography, but 'film' is certainly not redundant here. —Vensatry _(talk) 14:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

• Is it necessary to say that he appeared in the cinema of the US. From the list, I can see that he had a role in only one English film.
  • I don't see any harm in including it. It was quite a news in South India then. —Vensatry _(talk) 10:06, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

You discuss the film later. I think that is enough, isn't it?

He is one of the few mainstream big names to act in a Hollywood film (before even Big B). So, it did create quite a buzz. As for "Rajinikanth has also worked in other film industries such as Bollywood, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, Bengali, and that of the United States.", the nominators have simply mentioned the film industries he worked in.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Removed —Vensatry _(talk) 14:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

• "Rajinkanth made his cinematic debut" - again, did he appear in TV shows or theater plays, too?

As I said above, he acted in theatrical plays before movies. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

• Why do we need two references to cite the fact that he made his debut with Apoorva? Just the source from The Indian Express confirms everything. Except the director's name but I presume that might be cited in the list.
• "He secured his first major" - too wordy. Perhaps "played", "had" or something similar?
• "most of them—including" - the dash is quite unnecessary IMHO. Consider comma.
  • The dash was purposefully used there to avoid the over usage of commas. —Vensatry _(talk) 14:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
• "in which he played a full-fledged lead role for the first time in his career" - two things. The word "full-fledged" in close proximity. Can be easily rephrased; perhaps "which marked his first lead role in his career"?

That was for the first two paras. The rest for later. – FrB.TG (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: All your above comments have been resolved.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 12:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

And here is the rest:

• I notice eight instances of the word "use" in a prose consisting of four paragraphs. Also do we need each of them; first comedy, first this, first that?

Vensatry and Kailash29792, I leave this to you guys. If you ask me, the "first" bit is necessary as most of these films are successful and are rated among his best.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

You mean 'first'? Should be okay now. —Vensatry _(talk) 14:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

• "with Rama Rao Tatineni's Andha Kanoon; it" - perhaps instead use a comma replacing "it" with "which"?
  • Do you see how repetitive the phrasing is? —Vensatry _(talk) 14:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
• "Rajinikanth continued to act in more films in Bollywood, often playing supporting roles in films" - the word "film" in close proximity.
• I would hyphenate highest grossing.
• "he made a comeback" - consider "return" which can perhaps reduce size of the prose a bit.
• "was paid ₹ 260 million" - why the space?
• Is it "a dual role" or "dual roles"? Be consistent.
• Do we need to wiki-link science fiction film? – FrB.TG (talk) 13:00, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: All your above comments have been resolved except where noted.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

And some more..

• I see that highest grossing is hyphenated per my suggestion but it is still "went on to become the highest grossing Tamil" and "and is among the highest grossing Indian films of all time". Either dismiss my suggestion or adopt it in its entirety.
• I see all the four paragraphs start with the actor's name. I know it is not a very big deal and quite common, but this IMO makes for repetitive prose and is best avoided.
• Zee News is a channel that does not need italics.
• Ref 35- I see publishers are linked every time. It should be no different here. – FrB.TG (talk) 08:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: All your above comments have been resolved.  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 08:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Anything else, Frankie. :-)  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 10:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

All my comments have been addressed. I would support this list, but I am a little bit uncomfortable about the the length but I don't see where it could be cut down. Maybe I am just not used to seeing a prose this long in a list. Anyway, you have enough supports for this so you should have no problem having this promoted. I look forward to the main page appearance of someone who is among the most well-known (if not the most) people in India. – FrB.TG (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Source Review

• Formatting: the "chapter" abbreviations should be "ch.", or less commonly "chap.", not "chpt.", and the page numbers for ranges are "pp. 1–3" (note the ndash, not hyphen), not "1/3". If the page numbers are disjoint, it's "pp. 1, 3". If it's one page, it's "p. 1". So, "Ramachandran 2014, chpt. Superstar: 35/57." should instead be "Ramachandran 2014, ch. Superstar: pp. 35–57." Unless you have a style guide that says otherwise that you're following, but I've never seen formatting like that before.
• Spotchecks passed, so just the formatting needs to be addressed. --PresN 20:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

PresN, I too am unsure what Vensatry meant by "x/x". I'd write "x-x" for two consecutive pages, and "x, x" for two disjoint pages. Besides, could you please do proofreading if possible? Kailash29792 (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@PresN:The 'x/x' style is based on the ebook version. By 'x/x', it means a single page. As for 'chpt.' it's very much an acceptable form. See Template:Sfn —Vensatry _(talk) 08:58, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@Vensatry: Thanks for the link, ok, so "chpt" is fine then. Still confused on the 'x/x' thing - you mean, like, '23/27' means the 23rd out of 27 pages in that chapter? Because that would only be valid for your specific screen resolution- other sized screens would have a different number of pages in the chapter, so the page information would actually be misleading instead of helpful. If you don't have a way to get a standard page number for the "978-0-670-08620-7" book, then just leave it at the chapter name. --PresN 16:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@PresN: That's right. I guess Kailash29792 has a hard copy of the book. Will wait for his response. —Vensatry _(talk) 08:30, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Vensatry, check your talkpage. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@PresN: I've removed the page nos. As you say, the chapter names should suffice. —Vensatry _(talk) 11:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok, Source Review Passed --PresN 13:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support Though I would like to see some red links blued.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess most of them are one-film wonders. —Vensatry _(talk) 15:43, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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List of municipalities in Maryland

Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

This is my tenth list that I aim to bring up to Featured List. Thanks to all the people who helped out with those reviews so far. I have modelled this list off of the recently promoted List of cities and towns in Montana and so have taken any changes from that article into account here. I've incorporated templates into the tables which allows the list to be updated quickly after the next census and to make the list a bit more aesthetically pleasing. Please let me know if there is anything else that can be added to perfect this list. Thanks for your input. Mattximus (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)

Quick comment Your main reference is about Alabama.--Cheetah (talk) 19:03, 20 October 2016 (UTC) Yep, the annoying thing is that the website defaults to alphabetical listing (so Alabama is first). I can change it to [16] if you think that would be better? Mattximus (talk) 20:32, 20 October 2016 (UTC) I believe I've fixed the original. That link you've provided above was worse.--Cheetah (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC) Comments First, the title: Shouldn't it be List of municipalities in Maryland? Moved. Is Maryland really located in the Southern US? I highly doubt that Yes Maryland is really located in the Southern US. The source for all the data in this table is the United States Census, so I used the Southern United States as defined by the United States Census Bureau. Click on the link to see a map. County should be County(ies) since there are 2 counties on some cells Done Since Baltimore doesn't have a county, it should have an emdash(?) or endash(?). Now, the word "None" is sorted under N as if it's a county name Good catch, done.

• Pending commennts
  • The table is missing the caption and the col rows are missing the "!" per MOS:DTT
    • Added caption, and all the col have the ! per MOS... not sure if that is what you meant?
      • | scope="row" should be ! scope="row"
        • What is the purpose of this change? I just tried it and it messes up the entire formatting, the whole table becomes out of wack.

That's for screen readers scope="row" doesn't have any effect without that exclamation mark.

I see, thanks. However it doesn't resolve the issue of how the whole table becomes broken when you add the !. For example, the first three columns change background colour, they become centred which makes it hard to read, and they become bolded for some reason. It really looks very bad. All other lists passed with the current format, is it absolutely necessary to change?

• • I don't think "population 2000" and "change" columns are necessary, but even if they are, I believe "population 2000" should come before "population 2010", to follow the chronological order.
    • It's more important to have the most up to date data first, and to see how it has changed over time. It's also the same format as other list of municipalities, so it would be weird to make Maryland different would it not? See List of municipalities in the Northwest Territories, List of municipalities in Nunavut, List of municipalities in Ontario, List of municipalities in Saskatchewan, List of municipalities in Yukon, List of cities and towns in Alabama, List of municipalities in New Brunswick, Cantons of Costa Rica, List of cities and towns in Montana, List of cities, towns, and villages in Mississippi, List of cities, towns, and villages in Louisiana, List of municipalities in Rhode Island, List of municipalities in New Mexico, List of cities and towns in South Carolina, List of municipalities in Wyoming, List of cities in Nevada
    • On a side note, the population 2000 will be removed when the next census comes out in a few years.
      • Most if not all of these lists are your own work, so they all have the style you follow. Those lists would flow a lot better if it were in a chronological order.
        • I really do disagree, the most important figure in the whole list would be the most up to date population figure available, and it should be first.

That's like saying History of Maryland should start with the events in the 21st century since it's the most recent information about the state.

Yes, the lead of the Maryland article should probably begin with it's present population and status. And it does, so this page is in agreement with the main state page.

• • The Land area shouldn't have 2 subcolumns, it should look like the Density column
    • See previous comment, this is the style for all American states in the list above, it would be strange to make Maryland different from all the rest I would think.
      • Again, it's not all of them, but only the ones you worked on. List of municipalities in Florida, an FL, doesn't look lie that.
        • Sorry I just linked to the ones I worked on, but almost all others (even ones I didn't promote, for example List of municipalities in Alberta) follow this trend. I will get to the Florida one eventually to fix that one.

Right now, "Density" and "Land area" columns use two different formats, just pick one and stick with it. If you want two separate columns for mi and km, then both columns should have 2 subcolumns.

• • "Incorporated" column should be added with the dates.
    • I often include that piece of information on these lists but I couldn't find a source for Maryland, do you have one? Also, it would make the column rather wide for smaller screens, so I'm not sure it is necessary.
      • It's more necessary than the population change. Here's the link, just click on the name of each city and you'll see the year incorporated.
        • I have to disagree that it's more important than population change, what is your logic on that? Knowing how a city changed over recent time tells you much more about a place than a date it was founded, which is honestly fairly trivial. Population trends are great proxies for all kinds of economic, and demographic inferences, but dates don't tell you anything about what the city is like now.

Dates don't tell you anything, huh? It shows whether that particular city has a history and how long that history is.

Actually this isn't true. The incorporation date rarely tells you how long the history is, some cities that were founded centuries ago incorporated in 2008. So by providing the date, you are actually misleading readers.

--Cheetah (talk) 06:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your review, I've addressed all but one of your comments, which I'm still working on. Mattximus (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

• "Maryland is divided into 23 counties and contains 157 incorporated municipalities consisting of cities, towns, and villages.[2] Maryland's incorporated municipalities cover only 4.4% of the state's land mass but" This seems unnecessarily wordy. I think you could shorten the second sentence to "Incorporated municipalities cover only 4.4% of the land but"

You are right, that is much better.

• I found the explanation of the structure of government confusing. I take it that the municipalities are part of the counties, but have the right to decide how far they exercise self-government and whether they cede any powers to the county, but it would be helpful to spell this out - if it is correct.

I added this sentence: "Municipalities are the lowest tier administrative units in Maryland, and all except Baltimore are also subject to County administration.". Would that satisfy your confusion? If not I will also make it more clear!

• "the City of Baltimore is more of a county than a city under state law since it exercises charter home rule similar to Maryland's nine charter counties" This is incomprehensible to anyone who does not understand the structure of US municipal government.

I think I made this more clear, is that so?

• Note a. It looks very strange having a single note in 3 columns.

Nice catch, not sure why that was there...

• Looks fine to me apart from these points. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your review Dudley Miles! Mattximus (talk) 13:08, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Support. A first rate list. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:27, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments – Other than the several nit-picks below, this is a really nice list. Minor point, but the city, town, and village links could be moved up to the first paragraph, where the first appearance for the terms is located. Done, good catch. Similarly, the Baltimore link could be moved up to the second paragraph. While doing this, the second Baltimore link in the third paragraph should probably be removed altogether. I removed the second link, but I kept the first one since that's the most common place people will look to click, the first reference is kinda in passing if that makes sense. "and all except Baltimore are also subject to County administration." Is the capitalization of "County" correct? Oops, you are correct, fixed. Since the see also link has been incorporated into the article at the end of the lead, do we really need it in a separate section? Makes sense, I removed the separate section. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC) Thanks for your review! I've made all the changes, but the little one about Baltimore, I hope that's ok! Thanks again! Mattximus (talk) 01:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support – Everything looks good now. Nice job, as usual. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:27, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments "municipalities" is overlinked. Removed one, are there more? As is "incorporated" which coincidentally has two different targets... Good catch, fixed "an Independent city," is there any reason that Independent is capitalised here? Nope, that was a typo D.C. linked twice in the gallery (both times to a redirect...) Fixed, another good catch Density in the table should be explicitly "Population density". Makes sense, done. Not sure that one decimal place accuracy is required for this metric either. Since the area measurement is to 2 decimal places, using 1 is safe of any rounding errors. Pretty minor issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC) Thanks The Rambling Man for your review! Mattximus (talk) 21:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support my minor concerns addressed, good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Source Review

There's only 3 online sources, so I checked them. Spotchecks and formatting passed. Promoting. --PresN 12:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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