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My article on Pinxton Castle is live now, just made my deadline
I wanted to finish this - at least to the point of moving it to article space, by the time I started my chemo. I've had a lot of help see the talk page), and today with some great help in the writing from User:KJP1 and some proofreading from User:Tryptofish I was able to make it live. It's nearby and I managed to go see it again today. It's not really a castle, and is covered with trees and bushes and a lot and ditches and humps making it hard to navigate unless you find the right way in! I need to add a gallery, maybe some of my photos. Doug Wellertalk18:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Wonderful work...... I was not aware of this place I thought it was somewhere completely different. Thank you for educating me. Moxy🍁 16:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm pleased you like it. It's something I've been meaning to do for years and, well, it was time to do it. I've got some good photos I took in April[1] that I want to add and someone has suggested using the metadata to help identify what they are. Doug Wellertalk16:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
OK, I see you don't need to review any other nominations. I thought I could help with that, but I had forgotten that quid pro reviews aren't required for the first five nominations from an editor. Now I'm waiting to see it appear. Donald Albury17:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
You won't be able to see it yet, on the Main Page. Here's how that works. The reviewer has passed the nomination, which you can see at Template:Did you know nominations/Pinxton Castle. (It's important to watchlist that template page, because other editors might still want to make changes in the hook. I'm watching it too, by the way.) Next, an admin will promote it, and close the discussion. After that, it gets moved to a "prep" area, where changes can still happen. It will probably sit there for a few days. After that, it gets moved to a "queue", where it might still get changed. (All of that shows up when you watchlist it.) When that queue's turn comes up to be transcluded onto the Main Page, that's when it appears there. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
My pleasure. I just realized I said something that I should make clearer. You'll see on your watchlist when it goes to the prep area. After that, you should watchlist the prep area for when it goes to the queue. Then you can un-watch the prep and watch the queue until it goes to the Main page. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm part of part of couple of months long going dispute and preparation for RfC at Jinn, (starting around here). At the suggestion of Bookku (here), I was wondering if you could take a look at this post by VenusFeuerFalle and see if you find it in breach of WP:DR spirit of WP:AGF as Bookku (our informal dispute facilitator) and myself do.
Example:
I am willing to give the involved users one last chance, to make one clear suggestion, I want to respond one last time. Then we can go step by step over to the other ones. If it fails, I will not reply to that anymore, and then either the edits meet the Wiki-Criteria or they don't. If they do not meet them, they will be reverted, no matter of you understand the reason or not. Because, I just feel my time being wasted. If the users again derail the discussions, I will report Eagle and let an admin check on all involved users for canvassing, harrassment, and potential sockpuppetry.
It certainly looks like it is. That's all I can say and I'm not getting involved, I'm writer's block at an article I'm writing and need to break out before chemo debilitates. me. Doug Wellertalk07:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Ah well, I can at least see if I can do something about the distractions (a good distraction from the thing I've got writer's block on!) – Joe (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
For record and info, I wish to keep this discussion updated soon before it gets archived to note some likely misrepresentation about this discussion. Pl. excuse me for inconvenience if any Bookku (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
No I am not looking for specific help at this point of time as already aware you are busy somewhere else, and we can seek help from other admins and appropriate forum if as and when needed.
But unfortunately clear confusion of LPB about Joe's communication above seem to have been used to misrepresent LPB by VFF more than once. I propose to put up couple of paragraphs for record with collapse template. Purpose is to make concerned user VFF realize its not a good practice and such practices can be deconstructed. Bookku (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
For information and record:
For dispute resolution at the article Jinn, as discussion facilitator I put in adequate effort to keep discussion focused on content, still in heat of moment two editors Eagle107 and VenusFeuerFalle (VFF) engaged in edit war - also some micro aggression- subsequently article was admin protected WP:PREFER, talk page discussion came back to track, most RfC inputs would have made VenusFeuerFalle happy, but after joining from break, probably not forgiving/ forgetting earlier state of disagreement with Eagle107, VenusFeuerFalle posted uncalled for emotional response against Eagle107 at the article talk page, instead of sorting out at user talk and ANI, by the way underlying issue was any way getting resolved through RfC. Since June 2 Eagle107 is on edit break.
Since VFF's emotional wall of text would be distracting from further RfCs planned by LPB with help of WP:DRN moderator and Talk:RfC, so I suggested Louis P. Boog (LPB) to get VFF post reviewed and if possible collapsed from admin since Admin can be approached per WP:DR (helps avoid escalation to ANI), to follow neutrality even in approaching Admin I suggested LPB to find last active admin from WP:ANI. But since taking that course first time LPB got confused by ending up non-admin last ANI participant, then approached Doug Weller here, but DW recused being busy in some 'article'. User:Joe Roe's reply mentioned word 'article' but which article, Jinn or the article Doug Weller working on? not being clear LPB approached User Talk:Joe Roe. It's all good faith confusion. VFF picked up these approaches misrepresenting (or gaffe?) as WP:CANVASS at 1) WP:ANI that too which was report against Eagle107 not LPB 2) Talk:Jinn The apt adage "Hanlon's razor says: "Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by confusion." Not expecting any action as of today, but this is just for information record. Bookku (talk) 08:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
DYK for Pinxton Castle
On 16 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pinxton Castle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the moat around Pinxton Castle was inside the perimeter walls, rather than outside? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pinxton Castle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Pinxton Castle), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Hi, the photo edit you have just reverted was taken in June, 2024. Whether that party is officially open or not is irrelevant. Therefore please re-insert it as it explains that today communist stickers (whichever party it may be) can be seen in downtown Edinburg. Thanks...Ogün Eratalaymessage13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
@Ertly Who cares? That might be an old one someone put there as a joke, it could be anything. But it's not significant in any way and its use would imply that that there there is an active RCP party there. Doug Wellertalk13:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
My dear friend, first of all I care. Furthermore if you read the link on the sticker you can see that it is an active initiative to re-build a party. See the active link for the initiative: https://communist.red/join-the-communists-build-the-revolutionary-communist-party/ That proves my point that an active group of communists put out stickers in Edinburgh to call people to join their movement. Therefore this picture belongs to Far-left politics in the UK. Kindly revert your edit please. Thanks... Ogün Eratalaymessage14:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)The picture itself does not explain that; without your assertion that it was taken in Edinburgh in June 2024, it lacks significance, but that assertion doesn't satisfy WP:V. As a piece of photojournalism it's contrary to WP:OR. To assert, pictorially or in text, that someone is trying to recreate a party requires WP:RS and must be WP:DUE, and reliance on an image alone is contrary to WP:IMAGEOR. NebY (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Dealing with editor at Atlantic slave trade who seems to lack sufficient comprehension of English
Hi Doug, I see you have been corresponding with editor Mcorrlo on his talk page. He seems to be confused about what exactly the *Transatlantic* slave trade is (as shown by this revision), vis-à-vis the strictly European slave trade with Africa, which began earlier, initiated by the Portuguese. The very first sentence of the article is "The Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade". I have made some changes in response to his edit, but the lede still needs more work, and I have to get to work on my real-world project. Would you be able to help keep an eye on the article? Thanks, Carlstak (talk) 12:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello Doug Weller. Yes, I thought better, Carlstak and you are right. I see your point, and I will try to get better. The other point, my english... well, one more time I beg your pardon for my bad english, I learned the language, but many years have passed... Mcorrlo (talk) 17:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Doug. I will work on the lede of the article tomorrow to sort things out with it and what the body of the article says, if someone else doesn't do it first. I'm taking the day off, so I'll have the mental energy.;-) The lede was fine before the recent changes, but perhaps it could use some fine-tuning. Mcorrlo added a cite of Paul Butel, a respectable historian who specializes in colonial history, and I want to read what he has to say on this subject. Ideally, of course, the info in the lede doesn't need sources if it is covered in the body with citations. Not to be harsh, but I don't think editors who lack a firm grasp of English should be adding info to English WP. I appreciate the desire to contribute, but if the additions come at the cost of other editors' time and energy to repair them, it's just not worth the investment. I suggest that the editor read reliable Portuguese sources with English translations by academics and compare the two to help improve his comprehension. An English course would help. Carlstak (talk) 01:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello from Portugal, Carlstak. Sorry, I'm not dumb, I know I don't have a perfect knowledge of the language, but I try to do my best, and in my good old days at an English course, I was one of the best students. Of course I am not getting any younger , and again I am sorry for my "transatlantic confusion"; sometimes I feel tired... ~~~~Mcorrlo (talk) 21:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
@Mcorrlo The idea that you are dumb never crossed my mind. I understand feeling tired, you may have noticed my own health issues mentioned above. @Carlstak not sure you've seen this. Doug Wellertalk08:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for your words. Yes, I noticed your health problems. I sincerely hope you are getting better! Mcorrlo (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Doug, I did see it. I certainly never thought for a moment that Mcorrlo is dumb, nor have I ever thought that anyone I might perceive as not being fully conversant with the English language is dumb. At my age, I can absolutely sympathize with feeling fatigue; when I woke this morning, I did not want to get up.;-) Doug is facing his cancer treatment with great courage, and I can only imagine what chemotherapy must be like. I've seen your name around, Mcorrlo, but I haven't looked into your editing history. I will only say that if you should encounter any difficulties, please don't hesitate to leave a note on my talk page, and I will do what I can to help as soon as I'm not feeling too tired myself from the labors of the day.;-) All the best, Carlstak (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Godd morning Carlstak, and thank you for your reply. I said I am not dumb, but I'm not a wise man either! I know my limitations. I have many many books - but have I read them all? No way! I'm more of a guy who likes to know things. Ever since I started editing on Wikipedia, the need to know what I was talking about has forced me to learn a lot of things I didn't know. We learn until we die. But I still make many mistakes! Mcorrlo (talk) 07:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Books & Bytes – Issue 63
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Issue 63, May – June 2024
I've never been much of an article creator, mainly just an editor, but this has been something I've been meaning to do for years but only got around to this year when I realised I didn't have a lot of time to do it. I set my deadline as my first chemotherapy day which worked as an incentive. It's a 10 minute drive from my house and in the past I've visited the site several times - a wooded site next to a major outlet centre, always heavily overgrown but this year in April it had been cleared and I was able to get good photos. Not much to see and it never was actually a castle.
I have had tremendous help writing the article and it was definitely a group effort, see the talk page and article history. I would not have managed to finish it or make it as good an article as it is on my own. Wikipedia may have its problems with some editors, but when good editors get together to work on something it can be a marvelous place and a great community. It's been a vital part of my life since I retired and certainly one of the best things I've ever done. I have only met a very few editors in real life but the friendships I've made here, virtual though they may be, are for me very real. Thank you all. Doug Wellertalk08:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Yay! Congrats on a job well done. The first thing I did on logging in today was look over the Main Page, and when I saw it, I was very pleased indeed. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for creating and writing the article on Pinxton Castle, and thank you also to everyone who helped. I'm hoping this is the first of many new articles from you to come, if that's at all possible given your circumstances and all the other things you have going on. One thing that stuck out at me; I've always been curious about the type of fish farming that occurred in the UK, and over the years, I only ran into one good source about the subject. I had a minor discussion about this subject on Wikipedia many years back, mostly about the history of Hawaiian aquaculture, wondering if there were any shared similarities. In fact, I think I did figure out at the time (15 years ago?) what kind of fish they were farming in the UK, but I can't recall now. Any ideas what type of fish might have been used for food at Pinxton Castle? And is it even possible to analyze the sediment to find traces of fossils? Thanks again. Viriditas (talk) 22:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Our page on Fish pond#History says that carp and pike would be likely, and that's consistent with sources that I've read. I'm not aware of any sources about Pinxton Castle, specifically. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Oh, I think I found the page: Aquaculture in the United Kingdom: "Historically in the United Kingdom, as in other European nations, the keeping of fish in ponds for use as food dates back centuries, possibly as far as the 13th century. A fish pond was a way of keeping a steady supply of food through the winter, and most Medieval and monastic houses and castles had a fish pond stocked with carp, pike and bream." Viriditas (talk) 01:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
That's most likely. There is pretty much zero chance of any further investigations, but I do plan to notify the two Parish Councils, the County councils and the local district councils, maybe get some publicity at least.. Doug Wellertalk09:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Is there any chance our new friend isn't a sock? move requests in their first handful of edits and some pretty nuanced deletion flagging. Jumping to MfD a sandbox draft set off all the bells. Curious for your thoughts although I have nothing concrete. StarMississippi16:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
@Star Mississippi Of. course they could be the new account of a very experienced IP, but the chances of that seem approaching zero. Far more likely they are a sock but I doubt that csn ever be proved unless someone recognises the behaviour. The MfD isn’t random. Doug Wellertalk17:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Hopefully someone will. I see it has also been raised on their Talk, so the eyes may help shake it out. It's exhausting! And 1000% on the last sentence. Unfortunately that subject matter (content, not Valjean to be clear) is fraught with old fights. StarMississippi17:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
This is not my first account (note Special:Diff/1225534254). I abandoned my previous account (which was never sanctioned) because I did not want to associate with older comments I had made about Israel-Palestine after the events of late 2023. I don't intend to say any more other than in private communications with ARBCOM. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
As far as the MFD: 3000 edits (according to XTools, across 3 misleadingly-named drafts), a multitude of statements that are plausibly BLP violations, and constant claims that discuss the article is "harassment" is beyond the pale. I cannot continue to edit and remain quiet about this. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Clean Start aside, if there's a history that cannot be discussed on Wiki, I'd suggest you raise it with ArbComm now. It's not going to get resolved via MfDs and will only devolve from here. Especially in this year & election cycle. StarMississippi18:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
I would have been willing to consider withdrawing this if there was agreement that removing material I consider to violate BLP, or commenting to the talk page, would not also be met with accusations of harassment. Clearly that is not the case. Valjean insists on WP:OWN-ing this material and shouting-down any comment about it. I will let the process play out without any further involvement from me. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
As long as it's in my userspace, hidden away, I do own it in many ways. We have rules that allow editors to use their userspace in this way, and I have not violated them. The instructions for contacting me are written clearly there at the top: "Email me". If you have an issue with something I have written, as you obviously do, you can contact me by email and I'd happily respond. I do not want to violate any PAG. I just want to be left alone to work in peace. This is a topic that does not need more eyes on it YET. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
This is all happening in private userspace where the user has control. You have no right to treat it like an existing article or article talk page. The rules are VERY different. Editors are allowed to work quietly, at their own speed, as they create articles. That's what I'm doing. We are volunteers here.
The content is based on RS, many of the highest quality and reliability, as this has national security implications and is the subject of FBI and Congressional investigations, testimony, and several lawsuits by Trump, which he has lost.
You should read the DYK? items I have added in a note at the top, and reproduce here. They are also for your benefit, as I suspect you are totally unaware of these facts. Myriad RS are behind each one:
Did you know?
... that Trump has known about the rumor since he left Moscow in 2013?
... that the rumor did not start with the Steele dossier?
... that Trump has repeatedly lied about this?
... that before anyone pinpointed the possible time of the alleged incident, Trump lied very specifically about exactly that time?
... that Trump's lies were so blatant and egregious that they got the Director of the FBI to change from a pee tape skeptic to a maybe peeliever?
... that many other notable people have strong suspicions that the rumor is true?
... that Trump's own actions cause them to think this way?
... that Trump and others have acted as if the tapes were real and actually exist?
... that Michael Cohen has testified about this to Congress in 2019 and revealed many of these facts?
... that Cohen and a group of allies have worked for many years to track down the tapes and stop this rumor? He was willing to pay a lot of money for the tapes. He testified about this.
... that myriad RS, Congressional investigations, and other very reliable sources have written about this and analyzed it?
... that the fact that the actual tape has not been published means the rumor, true or not, remains unproven?
... that the real issues here are kompromat and national security issues, not Trump's alleged sexual proclivities?
And one more:
... that editors should be allowed, without harassment, to use their userspace to create articles, including potentially controversial ones?
I do not use words lightly, and whenever necessary, I have used words like "alleged", which is what we do with unproven claims and allegations. The rumor has not been misrepresented as proven fact. It's an extremely notable and serious rumor that did not start with the Steele dossier, and Trump has repeatedly lied about it. That increases the notability, as RS have documented it. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
TPA block notice
FYI, if you block/unblock using Twinkle, which I think you are, you can uncheck the "Add block template to user talk page" box near the top, if you want to avoid leaving such a notice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
I never was quite convinced about the idea of sticking round for US 4 November, more a prospect of a nightmare than a tickling thrill for future events. But there's one that must definitely go on your busy calendar for must-see stuff to set one's sights on, i.e., the date's now set for the reopening of Notre Dame, brilliantly reconstructed, on 8 December 2024, at 11.15am sharp. The last time I saw it, I didn't revisit but stood round smoking cigarettes as my father-in-law and my dear niece went in to soak up the atmosphere. It was his graduation gift to his favourite niece. Unfortunately, I left the financing of their side of the trip to him and his brother-in-law, who accompanied us as far as Toulon where they had old friends to meet up with. The father-in-law had an agreement that his younger brother would use his credit card to pay for the week in Toulon, and the two would settle up once back in Italy all this before we three skylarked off for Paris on our own, with me acting as guide and interpreter (though my father-in-law was a native French speaker. He refused to speak French because he feared that he would be arrested at 80 for having evaded military service in the French army in the late 30s!!!)
Since my impression was that the two brothers were not particularly attentive about money matters, I had taken along several hundred dollars for emergencies just in case, as usual, something stuffed up. Sure enough, when paying the week's hotel bill, the well-heeled brother paid for his room, and when asked by my father-in-law about his credit card, said:'Sorry, can't help you there. I left it back home'. He'd completely forgotten the arrangement made with his elder brother. I paid it, and then had to recalculate how one might negotiate a week in Paris on the smell of an oil rag, without letting on to my father-in-law that his proud gift-trip to his niece would be at risk of having to be aborted for lack of funds. He had a deep sense of honour and responsibility and would have cancelled it had he known the desperate state of our finances, and would have spent his final years apologizing and regretting the balls-up.
The short of it is that I took them everywhere, pretending I was flush with the ready and that each night I'd booked a room near theirs (while sleeping on my feet outside), pretended I wasn't hungry at mealtimes (only ordering a thin bowl of onion soup etc), and pretending tourism bored me at major sites I'd already visited many times, when tickets had to be purchased for entry. And so, at Notre Dame, I stood outside, smoking, my only luxury, to tamp down terrible hunger pangs! When we got back, all safe and sound, my sister-in-law took one look at me, guessed I hadn't eaten for a week, and went and cooked me a kilo of pasta, over which I recounted with comic gusto the hidden inside story of what became one of the funniest and most enjoyable trips in my, and my niece's, life. Cheers, pal. Nishidani (talk) 08:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hey Doug. I hope the chemo is bearable. Sending you an impression of one of the nicest places in the Netherlands. Sand, wind and water in perpetual motion, like genesis, the beginning of time. Always changing, everlasting. All the best, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!20:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Hey Doug, I hope you're doing and feeling well. What's your opinion on an article about an israeli swimmer- do you think that would fall under a topic ban on the Israel-Palestine conflict? Logically, it seems obvious it shouldn't, but common practice on Wikipedia can sometimes defy logic ;) JoeJShmo💌18:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, welcome to the 25th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 1 March 2024. We've got a ton of wonderful editors taking back their pitchforks today. Don't worry, for they come in peace, to forcibly fix and extend existing scripts you use with sheer passion. There's so many, them forks have got what's basically their own column now! gift us with some rows before it's too late Aaron Liu (talk) 04:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!
To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
An easily configurable script to add a link to the #p-vector-user-menu-overflow portlet with a name, target, and icon. This one should be a relatively easier one. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy rotting away on Celeste (video game).
After the ＲＩＩＪ update, Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin has a dismiss button that allows you to mark an item as read in one click and cycle to the next Watchlist item.
Lordseriouspig/StatusChangerImproved is just like Enterprisey's script, except you select your status from a dropdown instead of cycling through them with a button. The WMF operates out of car-centric infrastructure anyway. Shame!
Newly maintained scripts
Aaron Liu has created Duplinks from Evad37/duplinks-alt; his fork adds a config variable to automatically highlight duplicate links on the loading of any page where the portlet link would've appeared.
Tired of staring at a bunch of filtering text and waiting for darn filter logs to load? Msz2001/AbuseFilter analyzer can parse abuse filters into a visual syntax tree and evaluate locally on-demand!
Polygnotus/DuplicateReferences finds references with the same link and displays the number of them along with a button to add the {{duplicated citations}} tag under the references section. Being lazy has never been easier!
fastest gun on the net Ponor/really-quick-block really quick add to contribution lists three buttons awesome
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Hi Doug, hope you are somewhat better.. considering another fresh attempt of caste promotion, I would like to request you to take necessary action against the user Aceofalljackofnone for persistent promotion of Poundra (caste) in spite of warnings! You had already warned the user. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Poundra is a Scheduled caste, i.e. outside the four tier Varna system; in other words, they rank below the 4 varnas: Brahmin (highest caste), followed by Kshatriya, then comes Vaishya & finally Shudra. Poundras, like all other castes, have tried to promote themselves and later on claimed Kshatriya status, which has obviously not been accepted by others! The user added the term Poundra Kshatriya in the lede in order to promote the caste, even though they are aware that no reliable source supports the same; WP:UNDUE as far as lede is concerned. This is only a claim by the community, as per all sources; the user didn't try to mention that it is only a claim! I personally hate this classification (which I explained above), but the user has repeatedly failed to adhere to our policies, especially considering the discretionary sanctions on caste articles! Sorry for the lengthy explanation. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
I hope you're doing well. I don't think we've spoken directly before, but I wanted to start by saying it's great to see you continuing your work on Wikipedia despite your health challenges. I’m reaching out regarding the upcoming Signpost, HouseBlaster's RfA debrief. Given 'the Doug diff' was almost central to the RfA, I believe including your response would add valuable context to the report.
HouseBlaster I'd completely forgotten about this. I'm not sure why I didn't respond to your earlier response. It's an excellent question. I don't have an answer. I do know that if I had a lot of friends living near me, I would want to have a party before I died. I remember seeing a movie where a Shakespearean actress who was dying did this and I thought it was a great idea. But I don't know how to transfer it to Wikipedia. Do you have any suggestions?
I believe it's important for the reader to understand that the question raised was indeed well received by you. Would that be alright with you? Svampesky (talk) 12:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Great. I'm just waiting for HouseBlaster's approval to include it since it is his debrief and should have full editorial control over it, without anyone superseding this. Thanks. Svampesky (talk) 13:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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Stewards can now specify if global blocks should prevent account creation. Before this change by the Trust and Safety Product Team, all global blocks would prevent account creation. This will allow stewards to reduce the unintended side-effects of global blocks on IP addresses.
On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places, - share with your wife, please. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
This https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Don't_overlook_legal_threats isn't what has happened is it? Even thought I've been on here for a long time, I'm not prolific so a mere amateur (and have been excommunicated myself for non-malicious events like forgetting I'm using a VPN or making what I considered not substantial edits). From my limited experience, the ins and outs of editing on Wikipedia are akin to deciphering the intricacies, nuances and inconsistencies of The Bible or, even more challenging, the US IRS Code (I'm a recovering CPA). I would greatly appreciate help in understanding the differences, if any, between the banning of the editor citing Indian law and the "Don't Overlook Legal Threats" entry. Much appreciated. Best, Fiona Fionaussie (talk) 15:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
They wrote "As a lawyer i request you to remove the misleading and offensive statements, otherwise i will have to initiate necessary legal action against the editor."
I noticed just now your mention of some hard times you're going through. I want to say I'm sorry that's happening, and here's hoping the outcome is a good one. EEng04:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
@EEng Thanks. The best I can hope for though is another year. I'm not terribly bothered and would hate to die of Parkinson's instead, as I think I've mentioned.. Doug Wellertalk08:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
In the past several maps have been removed from this page (in my opinion all these have been removed because they do not show Spain climatically diverse "enough"). A few examples:
And I stop at 2017, but one user already noticed back then that "psycho vandalism" was going on and it was being waged on multiple pages by one user using different IPs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Climate_of_Spain&diff=prev&oldid=774993814). Now this user was also blocked for being a vandal, but I think he was not making stuff up here.
On this topic and page I am missing a lot for sure because I don't look at it often.
@Barjimoa Watching tv with wife and horrible chemo tomorrow morning. I don’t know if I’ll be up to much after that. I do want to look into this though. Remember we have to be cautious about IPs and saying they are socks, it’s a bit tricky. Doug Wellertalk18:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
The only one I can CU is August as after 90 days they are stale, and that is not on the same IP range as the accounts. Sorry. Doug Wellertalk09:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I am also sorry to hear that. I have a dear friend who has slow-progressing Parkinson's. I'm conjecturing were I to be in the position of having Parkinson's it would be hardest on those close to me; I would be unaware of any memory losses. Best wishes. Fionaussie (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
May be you are just a grumpy person, but I really don't like to be called "disruptive editor" or 'picky". I was just a "drive-by" editor because my attention was caught by edits in Electric Slide, which I am watching for unrefenced and dubious stuff, an I was baffled that someone repeats the 1976 nonsense, which even Ric Silver (who claims authorship of ES) removed from his website. And suddenly I am a bad guy. --Altenmann>talk17:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Oh, shucks. S**t happens. You cannot believe I am always confusing "Bascom" and "Camden" streets in San Jose. THe names sound exactly the same to my brain :-) Like Liverpool and Manchester (I am referring to a silly joke about English spelling: you write Liverpool and read Manchester). --Altenmann>talk17:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
It was said with tongue in cheek. I see words in colors and also taste words. The same for musical notes (ribbons of colors at different heights and depths). A certain smell can have me feeling textures on my skin. And here I thought I was normal, turns out I may be extraterrestrial, or just confused. I'm leaning toward the latter but you never know. --ARoseWolf17:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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You probably don't have the same type of cancer I do but your comment about neuropathy makes me think you are also getting one of the taxanes. So here are some things that helped me. If you take a bag of ice into the room with you and keep icing your hands and feet, it will constrict the blood vessels there. This limits the amount that these areas are exposed, which is good, since cancer does not usually travel to limbs, I am told. Also, someone suggested l-carnitine, and I found it helpful, although I can't swear it wasn't a placebo effect. That supplement has a bad reputation but ignore that; some people were apparently trying to hawk it for weight loss, for which it seems it is of dubious effectiveness. You may want to run these suggestions past your doctor but they helped me, and as far as I know cannot hurt you. Elinruby (talk) 03:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
the above also assumes that what we are both calling neuropathy is the same thing. What I was trying to address was 1) my feet very convincingly screaming that they were on fire and 2) severe numbness and tingling in the hands. Anyway hth Elinruby (talk) 02:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
You are amazing, Doug. I sing songs for you daily. I do it and tell you so you know someone views you as important enough to make the time to stop and focus on thoughts about you, good thoughts, of peace, healing and the love of friendship. --ARoseWolf12:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
the ice helped with that the symptom too. I still get something like an echo of it sometimes, but the doctor gave me choices about how aggressively to go after the cancer and I am just glad to be here to have such problems. If you only have one more treatment and your feet aren't affected yet, then you probably for whatever reason just won't, is my (non-medical) guess. This was an early side effect for me; also this was a dozen years ago and they may have refined the cocktail by now.
I do have another doctor tip that yours may not have thought to tell you. (As a nerd I made it my business to interrogate everyone involved in the process.) If you are bothered by pain/discomfort somewhere on your body, it can often be blocked out by giving something to think about to nerves that connect to the spine above the ones that are complaining. For hands for example, a cold compress on the neck might work for example. It only blocks it while you are doing (whatever you are doing) but I found it was much easier to put up with that stuff when I knew I could make it stop. Again, hth. Elinruby (talk) 04:45, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Talk:Leo Frank
I thought it was just easier to send to archive that thread (and a couple of others) rather than mess around with hatting/striking. revert if you think otherwise. DeCausa (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@OMGShay 92 Thank you for your understanding. I realise it was good faith, why should you know? We all learn by our mistakes. And thanks for the good luck wish. As an ex-pat American in Britain I often can’t remember whether something is American or British.! Doug Wellertalk16:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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bruh it ends on the 10th of August not on the 5th. I don't know why that misinformation is up there. If you don't reply to this, I'll just revert it back through a different account so you better reply. Amil2012 (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
@TryptofishLOL, which no longer means "little old lady" and was first used with its current meaning on Usenet, which I remember fondly. Spent a lot of time fighting pseudoarcheology there when I wasn't on the cooking groups. Doug Wellertalk08:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Edits made on Khushal Singh Jamadar page.
The two sources cited for his lineage in the early life clearly mention that he is a Gaur Brahmin.
Dogra Rajputs reside in Jammu and kashmir as the name suggests.
Tyagis are a sub-class of Gaur Brahmins and reside in uni-community villages and Ikari is one of them.
All the best with your cancer recovery! Aadhrit260892 (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Does "Tej Singh was born as Tej Ram in 1799 into a TyagiGaur Brahmin family" make sense then? See [16] where Tyagi was added to sourced text which I doubt mentions Tyagi. This is pretty typical. I'll look at the rest later. Doug Wellertalk10:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Villages in western UP (where meerut lies) are all uni-community villages.Ikari is one of the prominent Taga gaur brahmin villages.
And yes that statement makes sense because even within the brahmin sects there are sub castes and tyagis are gaur brahmins who took up agriculture which led to separate villages. Aadhrit260892 (talk) 10:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Revdel or not?
Hi Doug. I just reverted this because it was, in part, unsourced. I also left a note on that new editor's Talk page (here). In retrospect, however, perhaps that content should be revdel'ed. I know absolutely nothing about this person/event, but the content does contain a rather serious accusation. How do you think I should proceed? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 20:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
I revision deleted the text. It was an unsourced claim that a named person was involved in the disappearance of another named person. Johnuniq (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Dismissing all NT scholarship as unreliable is an overreach. Many NT scholars employ rigorous historical methods. The existence of some theologically-biased work doesn't invalidate the entire field.
Your argument seems to be an attempt to systematically exclude NT scholarship from Wikipedia under the guise of maintaining academic rigor. This approach would itself introduce significant bias. Wikipedia's goal should be to accurately capture the range of scholarly views, including mainstream historical perspectives and the diversity within NT scholarship. This would align with WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE policies.
Any article discussing religious beliefs must also accurately describe what the believers actually believe. Failure to do so renders the article fundamentally flawed, misrepresentative, and potentially useless. Accurate representation of religious beliefs is crucial. Dismissing it as unimportant undermines the validity of the entire discussion, regardless of one's personal stance on religion. It's not our role to judge these beliefs, but to present them accurately.
Instead of blanket exclusion, we should critically evaluate sources, clearly attribute claims, and provide context for different scholarly approaches and beliefs. This maintains neutrality while acknowledging the field's complexities.
WP:RULES are meant to ensure comprehensive, balanced articles, not to exclude entire academic disciplines or misrepresent belief systems based on personal biases. — User:ViolanteMD
What does linking to AI checkers prove, especially if there is a discrepancy? Some people actually try to polish what they put on the internet and attach to their name. :) ViolanteMD08:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
I appreciate your feedback on my writing style. I am a highly competent and professional writer. I can appreciate how that might seem odd or out of place here but it's intentional and suited for encyclopedic content. I don't really care if you think I use "wooden" or "stilted" language.
I'll begin using direct quotations from WP to support my edits, though I haven't made any yet to this article. (Struck as I realized that we're doing this on your talk page and not in the Genesis Creation Myth article.)
Pages on religious topics should accurately represent the religious topics described. It's alarming to me that this is not immediately obvious to everyone who is attempting to follow WP:NPOV. It seems glaringly obvious that they should include all major viewpoints with attribution to sources. Nothing I can find in any Wikipedia policy disagrees with me on this point. Violo
You'd have to actually clarify how what I said misses the point. I could just as easily say everything we've talked about so far misses the point and that would be honest but antithetical to obtaining actual consensus. I hope I've answered your questions with clarity and conciseness. ViolanteMD09:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Apparent use of a slur against Muslims in an edit summary
Hi Doug, I hope you're doing well. We've had some edit warring going on at Reconquista, and I've started a talk page discussion about an issue, a content dispute over one word, that might seem inconsequential, but I don't think it is. I'm certainly not asking you to get involved in the discussion, but I would like to know what you think about an editor using the term "muzzie" in an edit summary, apparently as a slur against Muslims. It appears to be addressed to me; I'm not Muslim, so I don't take it personally, but I think it's reprehensible, all the more so because we have a participant in the talk page discussion that I believe is Muslim, and who has edited the article. Carlstak (talk) 02:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
I think I should say something about another user. 134.228.208.207. Sometime they try to remove sourced info such as [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27] without adequate explanation. Sometimes they make very problematic edits and edit summaries like [28], [29], [30], and they also have used this same slur [31] and have also inserted their hateful POV [32] that goes against the source. (WP:OR)
My pleasure! - Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise (to share with your wife), on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Possibly usable (maybe, conceivably, more consideration would be needed ...), with great caution, for uncontentious current or recent stuff [33] like the color of Camilla's dress at the opening of the Royal Ballet. Absolutely not reliable for historical matters like the one you linked which, obviously, would be covered by scholarly sources. EEng03:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Agreed. Anyone can apply to become a writer. The author of that article is a blogger with some self-published books. If we can't find better sources then that shows we shouldn't use it also. Doug Wellertalk13:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Doug it’s me User:Wolfquack. I know most (even you) probably don’t or even bothered to remember me but I was editing here for most of 2022-early 2024. In march I was deleting some passwords and accidentally deleted the one to my account. If I had linked my email I wouldn’t be here talking- sadly I didn’t as I was afraid of spam (as if Wiki-editors would even get the sort of thing).
If you’re wondering why I haven’t edited ins o long it’s because after I lost my account I basically gave up. I had almost 500 edits and they went WOOOSH just like that. I made this account shortly after the deletion of my password, but the reason I didn’t continue was because of the statment above. It’d be like losing your high-score on PAC Man!
Anyhow just wanted to let you know that I am slowly coming back from my cave. I am largely inactive so I wouldn’t be responding or maybe even editing much anymore, but I’m still here.
I hope you’re doing well medically and mentally and wish you all the best!
Glad to hear that you are back. I'm fine mentally, very weak from chemo which isn't going to save me sadly, just maybe if I'm lucky give me a few more months. Anyway, please continue editing. Doug Wellertalk08:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Re: Gooning 4 fistagon
I haven't managed to get put out the template yet as I was writing out an email as a follow-up. Feel free to put the blocked template please. :) More importantly, welcome back Doug and I really value and treasure every moment you are here contributing - I have learnt over the years that it is way too easy for me and everyone else to take things for granted. - Mailer Diablo07:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
You will get stronger again. :) Willpower to live is something I have come to believe as not just amazing, but also both reality and achievable. - Mailer Diablo07:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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User Joshua Jonathan is pov pushing to make the Buddhist version of Dashavatars into Hinduism.Its like placing Mary on a Lutheran altar. Threatens to block. He promotes ov buddhism Uriiix (talk) 06:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Dear friend, Both South Asia and Indian subcontinent are part of “WP consensus”. I suggest the dear editor to visit the WP: consensus to see both terms as legit and part of consensus. Regards Divinemomentever (talk) 07:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Could you please look into user:Joshua Jonathan? Unfortunately, even when I put both Indian subcontinent and South Asia for the life of lord Buddha, he abuses his power to revert it to “only South Asia” as if there is I consensus on Indian subcontinent, whatsoever. Interestingly, in many Wikipedia pages, from Sikhism to China, the term Indian subcontinent is used and part of consensus on WP: consensus. In fact, it is a neutral geophysical term. However, it seems a band of users are trying to remove it. If this continues, I fear Wikipedia would be accused of anachronism and the government of India (GoI) may have to be informed for bringing a case of law for blocking Wikipedia in India. I request you to look into such edit warring by the mentioned user. Divinemomentever (talk) 11:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I kindly ask you to do a favor and look into it. I highly recommend that we do not put our Wikipedia under the government of India’s entities of promoting anti-Indian agenda. If reverting of Indian subcontinent and its removal continues, I fear Wikipedia would be accused of anachronism and the government of India (GoI) may have to be informed for bringing a case of law for blocking Wikipedia in India. I request you to look into such harmful acts by user: Joshua Jonathan. Divinemomentever (talk) 11:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I do not sock (period !). I am carrying on a public conversation with the WMF, in continuation with what is going on between ourselves and WMF, and ourselves and the Supreme Court of India, and the WMF and the High COurt at Delhi. Kindly perform an admin action and restore the 3 comments deleted by the previous commenter, who is throwing a match into a pool of petrol. 49.36.176.206 (talk) 14:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
The article talk page is for discussing improvements to the main article. It is not for discussing your legal issues. Take it outside Wikipedia instead of misusing the talk page. Ratnahastin(talk)14:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Sorry to post here, but here is the link and you have to scroll down to the appropriate time.
"Sep 17, 2024 2:13 AM IST
Kolkata rape case live updates: Counsel says Wikipedia refused to remove doctor's name, pictures
Kolkata rape case live updates: Counsel for the victim's parents told the court that Wikipedia refused to remove the deceased doctor's name and picture. The site allegedly claimed that it cannot be "censored.”
Solicitor General appearing for the CBI also expressed concern on the same issue. CJI DY Chandrachud promises to pass an order."
PS There is another thing on that talk page. I actually checked the major sources, some 33 of the best international and a large number of the Indian of record. Not a single one carries the victim's name. Please see my vote in the RfC where I have collected the sources. My interlocutors there seem to be pooh-poohing this by stating that none of the sources have explicitly stated that her name is not her name. They are content with citing Southern Illinois Now. According to this line of logic, overwhelming WP:DUE in the sources is irrelevant to the issue. I have to say, I am perplexed Fowler&fowler«Talk»14:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Apologies Dough, if I may just repsond to Fowler, the original article was written by Trisha Mikherjee for ABC news which is syndicated by various newspapers around the world (Southern Illinois Now being one of them). ABC News removed the name of the victim within an hour of publication, but it seems other outlets like Southern Illinois Now republished the story before the update was executed. You can find the updated ABC news article at [35]. Legaleagle86 (talk) 15:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
You just reverted my edit on the Thunderbird page. Not sure if you comment, "Only if they had an article, otherwise trivia" is hinting at asking to add more references or creating a page for the hiking club referenced? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mountainlogic (talk • contribs) 00:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Doug, hope you are doing well. I have a question, that might be a bit newbish. Let's suppose editor A makes an edit to an article, editor B reverts that edit, editor C reverts the revert performed by B and then B reverts back editor C again, who's right according to WP:BRD ? Thanks. Take care.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)07:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, the thing that sounds a bit weird is that editor B can revert any other editor who reverts them, which is usually considered as misconduct as per WP:EW. Anyway, the point is to discuss as often as possible. Thank you very much for your swift response. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)09:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Doug. How do you do? Would you please warn this user for posting this nonsense/rant? Yeah, it is one-month old but I just saw it today because that user replied to an old discussion. Why I request? Because I see you are dealing with them and they may listen to your message. --Mann Mann (talk) 12:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Hey Doug! Hope you and your family are doing well. A quick reminder to check user talk page histories before posting contentious topic alerts. One user you just alerted had already received the notice for that topic area. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello. I edited Peter Brimelow´s page because of concerns about biased and opinionated editions. I cited reliable sources. I explained my points to the users undoing my edits. I receive no justification for this. And from their replies I understood that they just claim that what I am doing is making someone they deem as dangerous, as more martketable to the readers. The user Fred Zeppelin especifically (plus adding an unnecessary sarcastic connotation). Why are users concerned about someone being more marketable or not as long as the sources are reliable and the writing is neutral. I was following the Neutral Point of View policy with my editions.
My suggestion was starting the article with: Peter Brimelow is an English-born American author, financial journalist and anti-immigration activitst. He has been described as a white nationalist, a label he rejects for the one of paleoconservative.
Grayfell and Fred Zeppelin insisted on the opening sentence: Peter Brimelow is an American writer and white supremacist.
Their personal concerns are relevant because of sources? Now, it belongs here because I wanna know why you sent that message to my talk page and if other users are being sent the same message. Cundebuff (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
@Cundebuff: The contentious topics notice is simply a notice that goes to users new to editing an article (or articles) within the scope of topics deemed to be contentious. It's just a general notification to make you aware of additional scrutiny by admins in those topic areas. It doesn't mean you've run afoul of any particular policy - just that you haven't previously been editing articles within contentious topics. The two editors you mentioned have been editing in contentious topics for quite some time, so they are already aware of it. ButlerBlog (talk) 16:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
@Cundebuff: Just wow. That's a pretty powerful assumption on your part. To call my response a lie would mean that you think I am intentionally saying something to you that is untrue. I'd strongly suggest you read WP:AGF. I'd suggest you also read our civility policy. Regardless of whether you think other editors are being uncivil to you, that does not give you a free pass to return in kind. If you feel that maybe you jumped the gun on your assumptions, you could WP:STRIKE your comments. ButlerBlog (talk) 18:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I didnt say it was intentional. It could have been out of ignorance but it is still untrue. And what isnt true is a lie. As I have edited contentious articles before. I do think editors Grayfell and Fred Zeppelin are being very unkind, one of them even suggesting that I might go to Conservapedia because of disagreement with my edits. Cundebuff (talk) 18:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh, Doug, I'm so sorry. I knew you'd been having serious health issues, but I didn't know that. It's not much, but of course always feel free to ping me if you're ever halfway through something and feel like you don't have the energy to finish up. Valereee (talk) 17:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Don't you think it is a little bit excessive to issue a warning when we have a dispute over how to interpret a current of socialism? Whatever happened to WP:AGF? Quite frankly, I think you are abusing the warning mechanism, and I would appreciate you would remove it and engage in a civil discussion on how to move forward with the issue. - DonCalo (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Oops, I am sorry, I only now see that you have some serious health problems. I wish you all te best with dealing with that, and let us not waste your energy with a silly edit war. I just wanted to add something about the political direction of Ordine Nuovo, but am open to a suggestion on how to do that. - DonCalo (talk) 19:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Hey Doug! I've seen that you've had a really substantial amount of edits in that article (You have the most edits on that page actually) and would like help on how to explain to this editor that his african bias towards the subject doesn't warrant his cherry picked sources and bible original research 4.5 new paragraphs in the lead section. Wishing you all the best, Abo Yemen✉06:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
It's hard doing so when that user wants to add his stuff so bad. Can you please tell him something in the already open discussion since he's been trying so hard to get an admin involved
Can you block these accounts. They are obsessed with the Indian RSS BJP agenda of syncreatizing Buddhism into Hinduism. Tailban (talk) 05:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
I included the links for two references in the history. The explanation as to why the original reference was removed can be read at Pre-Columbian trans-Bering Strait contact#Venetian glass. The claim that there was continuous pre-Columbian contact by the Yupik and Aleut is not "widely accepted by mainstream scientists and scholars" as can be seen here [36] and [37]. The glass beads can't be pre-Columbian Venetian since the Venetians themselves would not produce them until decades after Columbus' voyages.--Countakeshi (talk) 15:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
I've read the original article at the Wikipedia library, can't find the other. We can say it's disputed, but not just remove it all. Doug Wellertalk15:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Would you have a look at the editing history of edits by user:91838jeu72737, please? Is there a case to refer to ANI? They seem to have gone on a spree of creating redirect articles that are the name of the en.wikipedia article in other (Eastern European) languages. IMO, this is disruptive to *.wikipedia.org as a whole. See user talk:91838jeu72737#This is the English language wikipedia. I have never seen the like before. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you both. I will give them some firm advice first and escalate to ANI if they don't react appropriately. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question regarding editing my own user page. I recently noticed that it now has a note warning about editing the page. Shouldn't this note only appear to other users? What is going on? ♆ CUSH ♆13:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Why shouldn't people be able to edit their own user page? Why does it matter whether they are autoconfirmed? ♆ CUSH ♆10:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Virtually everyone can, just needs 4 days amd 10 edits. But others generally shouldn't, and this prevents IPs (who can't get autoconfirmed} from vandalising a user page. Doug Wellertalk10:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
You can edit User:Cush. The message is just letting people who do edit it know that only a certain group of editors are able to do so (those who are autoconfirmed). It is a standard message. For example, try editing Tim Pool which is semi-protected until 3 November 2024. Johnuniq (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
The mechanism should filter out the owner of the page, though. Warning someone about their own page seems weird. In my case, after over 18 years of being here and not having seen the message before, it does appear condescending. I am not as dense as WP thinks I am. ♆ CUSH ♆11:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Why would I have been blocked for four days? And why didn't this banner appear in past years? Is there a new policy? ♆ CUSH ♆11:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Your block log reads:
14:35, June 12, 2008 R. Baley talk contribs block unblocked Cush talk contribs (Originally: a 1 week block, lifting a bit early. Long-term editor -and the insult was an isolated incident. Editor states that it won't happen again.)
(talk page stalker)You could read that note as welcome reassurance that your user page remains protected. I'm not so privileged, even though I've been here ever-so-slightly longer than you! NebY (talk) 12:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
God Venkateswara is form of Hindu god vishnu, see this proof, venkateswara central description page also mentioned that he is form, but someone change as avatar, please correction the Described as a form of vishnu in wikipedia Venkateswara
He is form of vishnu, not avatar, see central description of wiki page and please make corrections in wikipedia venkateswara articleBambalss (talk) 07:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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My horrible chemotherapy has done a good job of reducing the cancer but
I have been told to start again next week. Besides being unpleasant, I get unpleasant with my wife which isn't fair, and being weaker I can't help as much. Doug Wellertalk07:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Great; reducing the cancer is more important than anything else! All the best, Doug. I sincerely pray to the Almighty for your wellbeing. Cheers! Ekdalian (talk) 08:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
All best wishes, Doug. It's great that the cancer has been reduced but it sounds like you are having a tough time. I hope things will start to get better very soon. --bonadeacontributionstalk09:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
We definitely want you to continue to contribute to WP, but you need to do what is best for yourself. Growing old is a bitch. I've taken three hard falls in the past month, but I am starting to recover. I stopped using my cane yesterday, fingers crossed. Donald Albury14:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
I keep tripping. The second and third times I was using a cane, but not lifting my feet enough. My balance is not good. I am going to talk to my doctor about my medications when I go in Wednesday. Donald Albury14:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
If it helps to cathect onto a vagrant object outside of your home some of the understandable malaise you feel, then you're more than welcome to use my page to tell me to get effed (sort of channeling at the same time some not inconsiderable community feelings:)) in the most colourful language you can muster. I'd take it as a compliment. Best Nishidani (talk) 15:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Hope you recover completely and soon - Doug! I have heard chemotherapy has many horrible side effects. I am sorry you have to go through this. LukeEmily (talk) 18:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Doug, I only just saw the notice of your stepping back from checkuser, and I'm sorry to hear you're having a rough go of it. Here's hoping your next round of chemo is easier on you and your wife (but not on your cancer!) Best wishes from the Maritimes. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
UTRS isn't well suited to AE blocks, as only the blocking administrator or a clear consensus at AE or AN can unblock. I'll restore TPA, and we'll see if we have to pull it again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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That one seems a little odd to cross post? FTN is getting mentioned but the thread is about specific behaviour at VPP and I do think that dragging FTN in en masse has a pretty good chance of derailing that ANI, but hey, you do you. I’m not the admin here. I’m just trying to not re-spark the VPP discussion at ANI, and I suspect this will worsen that. :) Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ09:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Frankly? No. There’s four or five users I fully expect to see that and pile on, which I tried to shortcut by actively pinging some of them on the ANI. I don’t think the user who characterized the entire VPP post as spawning from me being “butthurt” is going to add anything to the conversation beyond a general dislike of me, for example, but I think that bell can’t be un-rung at this point. The ANI is already turning into attempts to re-litigate the VPP post, which I’m trying to only minimally engage with because community consensus was clear and it’d be inappropriate for me to treat the ANI as a place to re-air grievances, so I’m already feeling pretty squeezed between responding to (somewhat) non-sequiturs and not re-igniting a disaster waiting to happen. I think pinging FTN on this one was a substantial amount of accelerant added to the whole thing, potentially, but I’m just trying to not engage some of it. (See: all the people accusing my VPP post of massive aspersions sidestepping multiple users chiming in at VPP seeing they see what I saw, which while not damning is definitely evidence that I’m not just flinging around aspersions wantonly). Hopefully this isn’t getting way too into discussing it in a third party venue, because I just feel like I’m screaming into the void to an extent and don’t really want to make it worse there.
My statements about being willing to accept a boomerang are quite real, by the way. I’ve even got a draft essay somewhere in my user space that people shouldn’t be afraid of boomerangs when raising ANIs because behaviour warranting sanctions is behaviour warranting sanctions. If mine warrants them, it warrants them. Everyone wants Wikipedia to improve and if that’s achieved by me getting a time out for my own ANI then hey, that’s what’s called for. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ10:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Up to you, I think if I’d said anything it’s be interpreted as trying to keep people from the discussion, so I figured I’m better off letting people do what they want to do. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ11:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Speaking of which, Doug, if you ever again observe me attempting to help an editor avoid sanctions at an ANI discussion, please take a moment to pelt me repeatedly with a large wet fish. Thank you in advance, as I hope the pelting will render me speechless due to loss of consciousness. What the f was I thinking... JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Their IMDb and Instagram (verified if that's worth anything anymore) do confirm the subject's proper spelling (and you'll see in the infobox it's templated with 'not a typo'). Nate•(chatter)18:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi. The 2007 BNP leadership election was a real event and not a hoax. And yet the article I was attempting to write about it on my sandbox, which contained nothing but factual information, has been deleted for being a "blatant hoax". Now all my progress on it has been lost. Is there any way I can recover this seeing as it was not a hoax? Alistair McBuffio (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
So "The British National Party (BNP) leadership election of 2011 was triggered on _ 2007 when _. Two candidates stood in the leadership election: Nick Griffin (BNP leader since 1999, and Christian "Chris" Jackson, _. On _ 2007," makes sense and is backed in the article British National Party? You can go to WP:DRV and ask for it back. Doug Wellertalk16:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Suspected sock; sorry, missed the last update on cancer
Hi Doug, I came here to inform you about a suspected sock. But I am really shocked to see the last update on cancer, which I missed. You are indeed a great human being, not just a great admin. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas and have a great time with your near and dear ones. My prayers will continue though; I can't express my feelings in words.
Yiu had warned that user about the India-Pakistan contentious topic situation and since I just can't wrap my head around Wikipedia's complicated system to report I'm bringing it to your attention here instead. Please check those two short talk page contributions by the user: [40][41]. Are they problematic? I feel like that's probably someone's sock who is very invested in that ANI lawsuit. Nakonana (talk) 15:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hearing that you took a rustic, rugged walk with your wife cheered me up. And I have needed that in the last 12 days. Hang in there, my friend. Cullen328 (talk) 04:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
I think you know what happened on November 5. Since then, I have been learning that rats have infested the crawl space under my house, gnawing through water lines, creating leaks that soaked vast areas of our insulation. It is almost as bad as the appointments to senior leadership posts in the new administration. Your assignment, if I may be so bold, is to do your very best to enjoy each day that comes along, with your loved ones. My challenges are trivial in comparison. Cullen328 (talk) 09:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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@Polygnotus No forgiveness needed, thanks for fixing that. I've done it all over again because once you get it wrong you need to do it again and I would not have noticed that if you hadn't told me! Doug Wellertalk12:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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