User talk:Polygnotus
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basically spam
[edit]- Comment As a small part of this I'd like to thank you for providing me with the name of the Mega journal, it's already made my afternoon and
- provided an absurd web design gaffe: the image on the page you linked gives a 404 error with a link url of
megasociety.org/file/C_/Documents%20and%20Settings/chris/Local%20Settings/program%20files/qualcomm/eudora/attach/Garble_%20copy.jpg
- Contained on the same page, a paragraph of "wisdom" that states that discussion of climate change is a victory for al-qaeda, and a poem which reads like a would-be academic's take on millenarianist dogma that makes me question whether the site is parody or an elaborate bit on Dunning-Kruger
- Finally, the journal is currently hosted on a site which proudly displays articles which include in their abstracts things like
Notably, FE gains [...] sometimes reverse, as seen in several developed nations. These reversals point to the saturation and decline of positive factors, coupled with the influence of negative causes such as dysgenic fertility
, FE being the flynn effect. Note the eugenicist language and sentiment, further echoed in its opening paragraph which praises the authors of The Bell Curve for being a large part of the effect's study and notoriety. Touches on basically every eugenicist trope including our favourite, skull size. To quote one of its counterarguments to the Flynn effect's existence,As mentioned in the background section, one of the most obvious ways to appreciate that the FE is hollow is to consider the magnitude of changes that have been reported in various nations. Over relatively short spans of time the FE gains have been outrageously large, suggesting that past generations were at the level of retardation as compared to present populations. Nothing we have seen in real world behavior is consistent with such a massive change in intelligence.
, arguing that intelligence gains are simply happening too quickly to be real; based on "if they were, we'd surely notice." - So, what we have witnessed is people related to an organisation who publish on a website that largely discusses eugenicism and other pseudoscientific and conspiratorial beliefs, that has been on the 'climate change doesn't exist' bandwagon for probably a few decades, use sockpuppets and ips to edit wikipedia in order to ensure the organisation's presence on the site. They all also seem to write as if it doesn't come normally to them, something about it is just so jarring.
- Finally, the title of another piece from the "journal" or "wordpress blog" that they contribute to:
Ask A Genius 1099: “Woke,” I Wokeism, Wokeness, Wokeology
- provided an absurd web design gaffe: the image on the page you linked gives a 404 error with a link url of
Avoiding posting this spam on the AfD by leaving it here lol, definitely the most interesting citation spam i've witnessed on wiki Transgenderoriole (talk) 15:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Transgenderoriole: Perhaps unsurprising that those who self-select as far smarter than average also self-select as "superior". True knowledge of self is both dangerous and rare; any non-cis person can confirm that. This is the tip of a very large iceberg. Langdon is somewhat similar. Nobel disease is interesting. I enjoyed the bloody history and User:May-Tzu. Polygnotus (talk) 21:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
808s & Heartbreak
[edit]Hi,
There is a lot of warring going on on the 808s & Heartbreak pag over the genres, synthpop is not sourced, can you please add the following genres to the article as it is protected:
References
- ^ Graves, Kirk Walker (2014). "A (Very) Brief Aside Re: 808s & Heartbreak". Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. A & C Black. p. 49. ISBN 978-1623565428. Archived from the original on January 14, 2017. Retrieved August 3, 2014 – via Google Books.
- ^ Twells, John (June 18, 2010). "Drake: Thank Me Later". Fact. Archived from the original on August 11, 2016. Retrieved July 25, 2016.
- ^ Varine, Patrick (November 11, 2008). "Album review: '808s & Heartbreak,' by Kanye West". The State Journal-Register. Retrieved December 3, 2024.
An R&B record with almost no harmony?
Many thanks 2A06:5904:3201:1100:3C0E:4DA4:5B3:F291 (talk) 07:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello MariaJaydHicky! I am probably not qualified to determine what genre it is, having never listened to that album (or even artist). And genrewarring is rather pointless. Polygnotus (talk) 07:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I received same message from User:46.197.28.249. Seems like they want other users to continue their spam and abuse. Please tell them to leave me alone. This0k (talk) 18:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello. There's recent discussion about her birthplace. The talk page also mentioned that the birth certificate at the last comment. I appreciate your time and review. Thank you in advance. 183.171.122.121 (talk) 09:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! I have never heard of Coco Lee and I have no idea where she was born. Have a nice day, Polygnotus (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Categories on drafts
[edit]There's a system report that runs once a week at Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories (2). However, since Category:Living people (which has over a million pages in it) would be absolutely impossible to manually scan for drafts if and when it comes up on that report, I also do an incategory search of that category via this link two or three times a day (which is likely what you saw, since I just hit a few of those maybe half an hour or so ago.) Bearcat (talk) Bearcat (talk) 07:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: (Excellent name btw) And what tool do you use to find articles that contain categories and subcategories of those categories (where you use the editsummary
duplicate categorization; already in subcats
)? Polygnotus (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)- Unfortunately there's no special tool for that, and the only reliable way to find that sort of thing is to notice it in the regular editing or browsing processes. What you're seeing right now is that I happened to catch an absolute minefield of hundreds and hundreds US elections being catted as "year in particular state" and "decade in particular state" and "year in United States" and "decade in United States" and "year in North America" and "decade in North America" and "year in world" and "decade in world" all at the same time — but there's no tool that tipped me off to that, I unfortunately just happened to stumble across it. Bearcat (talk) 08:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: Hm, I checked >5k pages that contain
Category:
in the draft namespace according to PetScan and only a handful actually contained cats that they weren't supposed to have. - Some categories are ok to use on drafts, like those of Wikiprojects (e.g. Category:WikiProject Taiwan 1000 Draft) and Category:Draft articles and its various subcats.
- There were a bunch between <nowiki> tags and <pre> tags and wrapped in {{Draft categories}} (and the various redirects to that) and between <!-- and -->.
- AfC submissions with categories get automatically listed in Category:AfC_submissions_with_categories.
- There were ~35 articles in mainspace that contained the template {{Draft categories}}, those get automatically listed in Category:Articles_using_draft_categories and then meta:User:TolBot/Task_4 handles them.
- There were ~100 articles in mainspace that contained the template {{Draft article}}, those do not get automatically listed in a category so it would probably be wise to use the same trick that {{Draft categories}} is using.
- Polygnotus (talk) 02:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: Hm, I checked >5k pages that contain
- Unfortunately there's no special tool for that, and the only reliable way to find that sort of thing is to notice it in the regular editing or browsing processes. What you're seeing right now is that I happened to catch an absolute minefield of hundreds and hundreds US elections being catted as "year in particular state" and "decade in particular state" and "year in United States" and "decade in United States" and "year in North America" and "decade in North America" and "year in world" and "decade in world" all at the same time — but there's no tool that tipped me off to that, I unfortunately just happened to stumble across it. Bearcat (talk) 08:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat:
I also do an incategory search of that category via this link two or three times a day
But that is not necessary because that is bottask Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/DannyS712 bot 27. So if you don't then it will automatically happen once per week. And if, for some reason, DannyS712 forgets to run it you can simply install the script and then go to Wikipedia:Database_reports/Polluted_categories_(2) and there will be a new option in the "More" menu item: https://i.imgur.com/Ha6g9fG.png If you open the console you can see it at work. https://i.imgur.com/xAuyfw1.png The result looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/b15bcq8.png Polygnotus (talk) 08:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat:
- Dannybot does not catch all uncategorized drafts across the board. It only looks at Category:AfC submissions with categories, which only contains drafts that have categories alongside AfC submission templates, and doesn't catch any drafts that don't have an AFC submission template on them. So if an inappropriately categorized draft doesn't have an AFC submission template on it, then it will not be added to that maintenance category, and thus Dannybot will never come along and the page will just keep sitting in categories until a human finds it.
- Dannybot is also designed for drafts and never catches userspace pages with mainspace categories on them, which always have to be found by a human editor.
- So for Category:Living people, which has over a million articles in it and thus would take days and days to manually search, doing an incat search on it is literally the only way to catch inappropriately categorized pages at all. So yes, it is a thing that has to be done, because Dannybot only catches some categorized drafts rather than all categorized drafts and never catches userspace pages at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DannyS712: See above. Polygnotus (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Dannybot is also designed for drafts and never catches userspace pages with mainspace categories on them
Maybe I don't understand something, but it looks to me like task 11 catches userspace pages with mainspace categories. [1] [2]Dannybot does not catch all uncategorized drafts across the board. It only looks at Category:AfC submissions with categories
note: I think that uncategorized is a typo and should be categorized. Task 3 only deals with Category:AfC submissions with categories. But Task 27 should catch all drafts with mainspace cats across the board, with quarry:query/34864. [3] [4] I even forked the query and ran it myself, quarry:query/88535, and it works as expected.[5] Polygnotus (talk) 22:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)- If Dannybot was catching all uncategorized drafts across the board, then Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories (2) would always be empty, and if Dannybot was routinely catching userspace pages with categories on them then Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories would always be empty, but neither of them ever are. The bot catches enough categorized drafts that the draft report stays relatively manageable in size, but the bot isn't catching all categorized drafts across the board — but the user report just endlessly grows and grows into the hundreds or thousands if I don't personally stay on top of cleaning it up every time it runs: I let it slide for several weeks earlier this year, and the first time I went back to it I found dozens of categories that had user content filed in them for months without the bot ever having touched it at all. The bot's helpful, but it simply isn't catching everything, because the reports are never empty the way they would be if the bot were actually catching everything. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: See above. DannyS712 does not respond but User:DannyS712 bot is still running. Polygnotus (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
+rollback
[edit]Hi Polygnotus,
After reviewing your request, I have added your account to the rollback group. Keep in mind these things when using rollback:
- Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
- Users should be informed (or warned) after their edits have been reverted. If warnings repeatedly don't help, WP:ANI is the default place to go. In cases of very clear ongoing intentional damage to the encyclopedia, WP:AIV can be used.
- Reverting someone's edits may confuse or upset them. Whenever other users message you on your talk page, please take the time to respond to their concerns; accountability is important. For most users who message you, the tone and quality of your answer will permanently influence their opinion about Wikipedia in general.
- Because the plain default rollback link does not provide any explanatory edit summary, it must not be used to revert good faith contributions, even if these contributions are disruptive. Take the time to write a proper summary whenever you're dealing with a lack of neutrality or verifiability; a short explanation like "
[[WP:NPOV|not neutral]]
" or "[[WP:INTREF|Please provide a citation]]
" is helpful. - Rollback may never be used to edit war, which you'll notice to be surprisingly tempting in genuine content disputes. Please especially keep the three-revert rule in mind. If you see others edit warring, please file a report at WP:ANEW. The most helpful essay I've ever seen is WP:DISCFAIL; it is especially important for those who review content regularly.
- If you encounter private information or threats of physical harm during your patrols, please quickly use Special:EmailUser/Oversight or Special:EmailUser/Emergency; ideally bookmark these pages now. See WP:OS and WP:EMERGENCY for details. If you're regularly patrolling recent changes, you will need both contacts sooner or later, and you'll be happy about the bookmarks.
To try rollback for the first time, you may like to make an edit to WP:Sandbox, and another one, and another one, and then revert the row with one click. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into trouble or have any questions about rollback. Thank you for your time and work in cleaning up Wikipedia. Happy editing!
Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, your contentious topic awareness notice made my day. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! I stole it somewhere but I can't remember where. Polygnotus (talk) 12:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-50
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- Technical documentation contributors can find updated resources, and new ways to connect with each other and the Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team, at the Documentation hub on MediaWiki.org. This page links to: resources for writing and improving documentation, a new #wikimedia-techdocs IRC channel on libera.chat, a listing of past and upcoming documentation events, and ways to request a documentation consultation or review. If you have any feedback or ideas for improvements to the documentation ecosystem, please contact the Technical Documentation Team.
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- Later this week, Edit Check will be relocated to a sidebar on desktop. Edit check is the feature for new editors to help them follow policies and guidelines. This layout change creates space to present people with new Checks that appear while they are typing. The initial results show newcomers encountering Edit Check are 2.2 times more likely to publish a new content edit that includes a reference and is not reverted.
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- Interested in improving event management on your home wiki? The CampaignEvents extension offers organizers features like event registration management, event/wikiproject promotion, finding potential participants, and more - all directly on-wiki. If you are an organizer or think your community would benefit from this extension, start a discussion to enable it on your wiki today. To learn more about how to enable this extension on your wiki, visit the deployment status page.
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Accidental rollback
[edit]Hi – sorry about the rollback on the Misc ref desk: I was clicking my Watchlist, or thought I was, but the screen must have moved and I clicked "rollback". Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, it happens. Polygnotus (talk) 12:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
[edit]Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025 | |
Hello Polygnotus, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. scope_creepTalk 13:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
- @Scope creep: Thank you and a merry Christmas to you too! Polygnotus (talk) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 24 December 2024
[edit]- From the archives: Where to draw the line in reporting?
- Recent research: "Wikipedia editors are quite prosocial", but those motivated by "social image" may put quantity over quality
- Gallery: A feast of holidays and carols
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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 26
[edit]Hello everyone, and welcome to the 26th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 1 August 2024. At press time, over 94% of the world has legally fallen prey to the merry celebrations of "Christmas", and so shall you soon. It's been a quiet 4 months, and we hope to see you with way more new scripts next year. Happy holidays! Aaron Liu (talk) 05:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!
Featured script
[edit]- Very useful for changelist patrollers, DiffUndo, by Nardog, is this edition's featured script. Taking inspiration from WP:AutoWikiBrowser's double-click-to-undo feature, it adds an undo button to every line of every diff from "show changes", optimizing partial reverts with your favorite magic spell and nearly fulfilling m:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Partial revert undo.
Miscellaneous
[edit]- Doğu/Adiutor, a recent WP:Twinkle/WP:RedWarn-like userscript that follows modern WMF UI design, is now an extension. However, its sole maintainer has left the project, which still awaits WMF mw:code stewardship (among some audits) to be installed on your favorite WMF wikis.
- DannyS712, our former chief editor, has ascended to MediaWiki and the
greenerpurpley pastures of PHP with commits creating Special:NamespaceInfo and the__EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE__
magic word to exclude a template from Special:UnusedTemplates! I wonder if Wikipedia has a templaters' newsletter...
Improve a script
[edit]- Many of our favorite scripts such as Fred Gandt/userResourceManager, Guarapiranga/search-shortcuts, and Bradv/Superlinks haven't been updated for Vector 2022. You could be the one to change that!
- Elominius/media timer and PrimeHunter/Search sort work, yet have alien user interface design. Someone could improve them...
- BilledMammal/Move+ needs updating to order list of pages handle lists of pages to move correctly regardless of the discussion's page, so that we may avoid repeating fiasco history.
Requested scripts
[edit]We need scripts that...
- allow you to edit {{sfn}} references graphically a la Ingenuity/ReferenceEditor
- copy specific named references from other pages to help with splitting and whatnot
- make adding icons/links to the top toolbar (or other portlets) much easier
- graphically generate a {{source assess table}}
- award a Four Award
- ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests. Thanks to the editors at US/R—including Nardog, User:Novem Linguae, User:Jeeputer, and many more!—for their work in processing userscript requests this past year.
Updated scripts
[edit]- Andrybak/Unsigned helper forks Anomie/unsignedhelper to add support for binary search, automatic edit summaries after generating the {{unsigned}} template, support for {{undated}}, and support for generating while syntax highlighting is on.
- Pour one out: DreamRimmer/User not around forks Andrybak/Not around to allow configuration precise to a number of days (from the original precision of years).
- Red-tailed hawk/cv revdel forks Enterprisey/cv-revdel to automatically add CopyPatrol reports.
- Polygnotus/Move+ updates BilledMammal's classic Move+ to add automattic watchlisting of all pages—except the target page(s)—changed while processing a move.
Newly maintained scripts
[edit]- Administrators only! Novem Linguae/UnblockReview forks the now-broken Enterprisey/unblock-review to review unblock requests with a graphical interface.
New scripts
[edit]- 1AmNobody24: Find Link provides a shortcut to its namesake tool, Edward/Find link, which helps de-WP:ORPHAN articles.
- Andrybak: Contribs ranger (pictured) generates links to a limited range of user contributions, log items, or page history. You see, it's not just contribs!
- CanonNi/VoteVisualizer is a rewrite of Pythoncoder/voteSymbols that makes everything saner to configure.
- When viewing Category:Articles missing coordinates with coordinates on Wikidata, Jeeputer/coordInserter adds links to automatically insert coordinates into the article selected.
- To satiate archaeology and curiosity (the same thing, perhaps?), JJPMaster/AfC time logger logs the time it takes for a user to review each submission to Wikipedia:Articles for creation.
- Natdog/InsertAnyChar adds a searchable list of all Unicode characters to the 2010 source editor.