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Talk:The Australian

That is very strange, I don't remember reverting your comment at all, that must have been somehow accidental. I would have no reason to do that especially since I agree with that comment. My apologies. Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries, I figured it was an accident. Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 06:48, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

was gonna send you long email

save you the agony, I have just got out of hospital and in post op disorientation and post anasthesia muddy head, I know I have a photo but is stuffed into images on older computers not yet gleaned - I had piccies from 30 years +  :( where they might be is another... in the fullness of time - sorry... ie not in the short term JarrahTree 09:35, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Jeez, hope you're OK...put your feet up for a while won't you? Thought I'd ask no hurry of course. We have been visiting the lakes that are not too far from Albany Highway during all of our Xmas driving but Yealering well off the radar. Get well soon! Hughesdarren (talk) 09:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

fine, fine - no big deal - yealearing important to me as it is basically the headwater of the whole avon swan basin area - and the southern side of the complexity of the hidden former river drainage systems of the region - huge literature - and not much in the wikipedia range of articles relative to it - wheatbelt nrm have a huge library of obscure and low print reports and texts that I saw in northam a year or so ago, havent had time or resources to get back to look at them JarrahTree 09:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

arrgghhhh - yenyenning is what i am thinking of in this response - wrong place (thats what post op disorientation is all about :) - as for yealering - I had done the railway yard in 2013 or so when i was following the last rake of narrow gauge wheat wagons from merredin to northam west - and I think I have picnic area shots from the western and north western side - again on the to be recovered data from dead laptop - phew JarrahTree 10:07, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Goodo, let me know how it goes... Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 12:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

hmm your recent edit gives me the beegees - have I confused the two in more than one way? oh dear JarrahTree 23:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

You were right the first time, Lake Yealering is the headwaters of the Avon and you have definitely taken photos of the CBH bins and railway at the town of Yealering (or you uploaded them to commons). Hughesdarren (talk) 01:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Atheism in Turkey PROD

I initially created this page as a redirect before an IP changed it into an article. I agree that a separate article is not warranted but a PROD nomination isn't necessary in this case. Thanks, feminist (talk) 08:20, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries, I was always happy with the redirect but the IP contributions were so poorly written and unsourced that they had to go. Appreciate the fix and the heads up. Hughesdarren (talk) 08:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Coffee Island

I have failed twice now to find the sort of coverage that would indicate Coffee Island satisfies WP:NCORP. Can I ask what you found so as to mark them reviewed? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:39, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Barkeep49, True, the references in the article were limited but I had checked against the other articles in the Coffeehouses of Greece and Flocafé had the type of content and few references while Coffee Island had more stores and a shorter history. While the lack of sources included in the article was still a problem other coverage that was found on a quick search: [1], [2] and [3], which I thought could also be included (which is on my to do list for today). Do you think that is enough? Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 23:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Additional sources now added, and I hope the issues with WP:NCORP are now resolved but would appreciate your feedback. I hadn't looked at the article history until now and take you point that Isle aux Herbes would be more likely to be what a reader is searching for. Have put a header on the Coffee Island coffee chain article but think renaming it to Coffee Island (coffee chain) or Coffee Island (company) would probably be better. What do you think? Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

We're obviously operating under NCORP's standard of multiple reliable independent secondary sources offering significant coverage. My looking into this revealed similar things to do you, though my ability to look into this company in Greek has been VERY limited. As for the current sourcing (which I believe to be among the best possible go at sources in English) the greeknewsagenda appears to have government backing behind it, suggesting that it MIGHT be RS. It's really hard to tell if that is genuine work on their part or a form of churnalism, however. The next two sources are corporate and those clearly fail multiple aspects of the five part test. Human Asset did consulting work for Coffee Island, this is their writing up their success story, and thus fails independent and likely reliable. Next source is again about franchising. Action Global Communications Group is a press release. The Cyprus Mail articles appear, from my examination, to be the most promising idea. Is the 7th largest coffee chain in Europe large enough to presume notability? Gosh I don't know and this seems borderline on the merits. What tipped it over into "restoring redirect" for me is that the editor doing the work has not edited any other area which raises a red flag. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Barkeep49, I had the same limitations in that I can't read or speak Greek either...The sources would, as you say, not pass all aspects of the five part test but together well maybe...Borderline true, but mostly because we are trying to do an English article on a Greek company. Jeez, and don't get me started on single issue editors. Either way I'm not emotionally attached to the article in any way so if anyone unreviews it then no problems with me and no hard feelings. Anyways, keep up the good work and nice to meet you. Hughesdarren (talk) 00:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Hughesdarren

Hello sir nice to meet you, my name is Ben2719941, have I make a mistake on The Essential Kinks, can you please show me where I made the mistake? Thanks Ben2719941. P.S. I'm not at home I'm going to movies today. I will be at my home later. I will fix the mistake when I get home. Thanks for letting me know. I hope you have a nice day sir.

Hi User:Ben2719941, nice to meet you to sir, the message I left you is about the strongly promotional tone of the article. For example the phrase Legacy Recordings’ Essential series, which has not only compiled some of the finest career-spanning retrospectives is send as promotional whereas Legacy Recordings’ Essential series, which has not only compiled some career-spanning retrospectives is neutral. Another would be A fine example of this is the recently-issued, two-disc set, The Essential Kinks is promotional whereas An example of this is the recently-issued, two-disc set, The Essential Kinks is neutral. You don't have to remove the entire sentence just reword the text so it has a more neutral tone. I notice you had already removed the other sentence that was strongly promotional. You may want to read WP:NPOV if you want additional information. The other note made was the need for additional references which are reliable and independent such as from a newspaper or reputable website that is not connected to the label or artist. You can read WP:REF for more information. Enjoy the rest of your day and I'll keep an eye out for any changes you make. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 03:53, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Good afternoon Hughesdarren, I'm back at home now I have the fix the mistake so how do I went at it? Please let me know. Thanks Ben2719941 Ben2719941 (talk) 4:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:Ben2719941, the tone is now neutral which is an improvement but you will still to provide additional references which are reliable and independent such as from a newspaper or reputable website that is not connected to the label or artist. You can read WP:REF and WP:NOTABILITY for more information. When you do edit please don't remove templates placed at the top of the article unless you are sure the problems have been addressed. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 07:24, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey, can I please have some help with The Essential Kinks? Thanks Ben2719941 Ben2719941 (talk) 6:49, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

OK, I'm just adding some references now and doing a bit of a tidy up. Hughesdarren (talk) 07:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC) Thanks for that, is it ready to get rid of the issues template or not yet? Please let me know, when you can. Thanks Ben2719941 Ben2719941 (talk) 7:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I will remove the copy editting part when I'm finished but will leave the sources part until there is enough to pas WP:GNG. I'll be on the article for the next half hour or so. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 08:05, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:Ben2719941, I'm finished now and removed the templates at the top of the article I placed there earlier. Note that the reason that article now passes WP:GNG is from the Wall Street Journal and Variety references that I included. For any future articles you write these are the type of independent reliable sources you should seek. It appears that User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars is now editing the article. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 09:14, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Ben2719941 Ben2719941 (talk) 8:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC) Good Afternoon Hughesdarren, Are you allowed to add The Essential Adam Ant? Thanks Ben2719941 Ben2719941 (talk) 9:04, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, we can all edit any article. The Adam Ant one is now a redirect and the main reason is that the article had no reliable independent references (like the ones I spoke of above) so it fails WP:GNG. Bear in mind, in my opinion, the The Essential Kinks article only just scrapes through. A quick google search revealed nothing much better so the Essential Adam Ant article will have to stay as a redirect unless it gets a few newspaper or magazine article associated with it. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 10:57, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Good Afternoon, Hughesdarren, Which sources are allowed for The Essential albums? Is Last FM, iTunes, Spotify or other sources like other sites are allowed on Wikipedia? Thanks Ben2719941 Ben2719941 (talk) 10:51, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ben2719941, Yes they are allowed but do not make the subject notable. You need reliable and independent sources to confer notablity as per WP:GNG. As I said above, you need references from newspapers or magazines to do this otherwise the article will not accepted. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Extrapolaris

You're wasting your breath with this one, I'm afraid! He/she delights in posting REALLY bad articles, usually using proscribed russian sources, but not always. I think there might be several different people using the same account as the quality is VERY variable and he/she does not take any notice of what you do to their articles, just keep pumping out bad articles.--Petebutt (talk) 18:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

So it seems, I was helping to keep on top of page curation, so most of my messages are autogenerated. Thanks for your help in tidying up after them, and trying to help them out. Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

tried and trying

to encourage those editors who have the joy of biota=y to add a little friend otherwise known as biota-importance=low - which is the default position - having just to the place that got to the https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles being less than 10k - am trying to ask for help all around from the punters who seem to think its sexy to leave biota=y as the remnant allegiance to some very strange political ideology - I am on a mission not to destroy shopping centres or any particular fight of any sort to see if we can have biota-importance=low floating in vitory to conquer the world and similar parallel universes trust all is well despite this message JarrahTree 12:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

sheesh the range of responses to this is in itself is quite telling - I suspect there is a huge field out there full of australian biota items with no australian tag, or even tags for that matter... the great rumsfeld unknown looms as some exciting potential discovery :( JarrahTree 23:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Big list, will help out to whittle back. Watching the page curation list blow out again too... Jeez man. Hughesdarren (talk) 02:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

very kind to offer - page curation probably more important - using Rater has helped a lot - JarrahTree 05:27, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Acacia shirleyi

On 23 February 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Acacia shirleyi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the bark of the lancewood (pictured) smells like violets when cut or exposed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Acacia shirleyi. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Acacia shirleyi), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

explanation

at todays meeting https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/55#Details it was announced that the two dormant project relative to the wheatbelt will be resurrected - where the project tag is applied to all relevant articles - not for assessment, but more as a statistical and logistic device - so that

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Western_Australian_Wheatbelt_Project_-_Railways is part of the bigger project and has a subordinate tag inside - inside rater - wikiproject wheatbelt - add parameter = railway

the plan is to have all articles of places/people things relative to the wheatbelt to be within the scope - so as to be able to identify where coverage is - and where improvements are needed.

hope all this makes some sort of sense JarrahTree 08:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the heads up. Will keep it in mind when doing any Wheatbelt stuff. Hope you all had a good time! Hughesdarren (talk) 09:04, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I might ask evad if we can have a wheatbelt sub section of wheatbelt biota - to separate plants from the rest JarrahTree 09:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Just did rocks and lakes, let me know what the verdict is on plants. Cheers. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:27, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

my request to evad for extras (after railways) is for people, heritage, biota and natural features - which means as an after thought biota for plants and animals - natural features can relate to lakes and rocks and rivers - - can always be added after initial wheatbelt tag... JarrahTree 10:34, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Sebastopol (album)

Hello Hughesdarren. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sebastopol (album), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A9 requires that the artist does not have an article and that there are no claims of importance/significance regarding the musical recording itself. Thank you. SoWhy 13:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Precious

Australia

Thank you for great work on Australia related content, for many dyks (particularly on biota and various stations). For staying a strong and valuable contributor over 50,000 edits, for Cobra Station, Kimberley Downs, Acacia shirleyi, Quinyambie, and more. For always being helpful and happy - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Cheers, much appreciated! Hughesdarren (talk) 09:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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You have shown interest in discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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Thanks

Thanks for your kindness. I often overwrite your work with a sense of guilt that I'm changing something that was created by someone who's written more, and on more subjects than just about anybody else, and certainly more than I have. The result of my vandalism ....I'm thanked! Today's project - to locate Eucalyptus approximans, on Barren Mountain, is in honour of you. Gderrin (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Don't ever worry about overwriting my stuff, any expansion is welcome on most of them. Look forward to seeing you work your magic on E. approximans! Cheers! Hughesdarren (talk) 21:42, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Finally found E. approximans! Hard work. Working on E. carnei at the moment. Interestingly, Euclid has Mr. Carne as "eventually seconded to the Commonwealth Department of Commerce and stayed there until his retirement in 1950" but the Australian National Herbarium has "supervisor of fresh fruit and vegetable exports for the Victorian Department of Commerce and Agriculture 1941-1950". Not a big deal - just thought you'd be interested. Gderrin (talk) 23:44, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Haha, hopefully not such an adventure this time..Walter sounds like a fun guy! Cheers, hope all is well. Hughesdarren (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Hughesdarren

Hi how are you going? Do you an user called Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars? From User talk:DavidJohnson1998 —Preceding undated comment added 15:52, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, good thanks, and yourself? The username rings a bell but I'm not sure where from..Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 21:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

heh didnt last long got blocked.

Thanks for your continued support at [4] much appreciated JarrahTree 23:52, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

No worries - it's slowly reducing in length. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17

Hello Hughesdarren,

News

• The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the {{rough translation}} tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.

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Notability of John Alexander Third

Hi @Hughesdarren:: It's true that John Alexander Third is not a well known academic. But I think he meets some of the criteria of notability under WP:NACADEMIC:

• Criteria 3 and 6: JA Third not only was member of the Edinburgh Mathematical Society from 1897, but he also was his president from 1902.
• Criteria 1: He published not less than 8 papers in the Proceedings of the Edinburgh Mathematical Society. See list here
• Finaly, the university of Aberdeen awards the DR. J A THIRD PRIZE every year. See the list of last recipients here

So, I think JA Third meets enough notability.--Ferran Mir (talk) 19:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:D.I. Mendeleev Institute for Metrology has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:D.I. Mendeleev Institute for Metrology. Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 12:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

email

It is too close to the bone - was going to post here - sent as email instead. JarrahTree 10:53, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

!#!?@$#%&*!!!

ARGGGH another moth JarrahTree 01:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Hiepko

I know Herr Hiepko, when a studied Argemone, I go to Berlin to revise A hunnemannii --Penarc (talk) 02:15, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletions

I have contested several of your WP:A7 speedy deletion taggings today. Saying that someone is vice chancellor of a university or runs a company with over 5000 employees is clearly an indication of importance or significance. Please adjust your sights before making any more such taggings. Phil Bridger (talk) 06:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

btw, perhaps you are not aware that in the UK and related systems of higher education, a vice-chancellor is effectually the highest executive officer of a university? The chancellor is a honorary position, usually given to a distinguished politician or public figure. DGG ( talk ) 04:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I.V. Doc

Thank you for your contribution on I.V. Doc page. I came to know about it while Kim Kardashian's controversy about using I.V. Doc. So I thought of writing about it. I have removed few content which might have given you the impression about the article being written as advert. Please re-check the article, if you still find it advertorial then please guide me to improve it. Poojasharma20 (talk) 14:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Tag removed thanks for the rewrite. I made a few more changes for clarity. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 05:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Kurrajong Heights Hotel

The version you accepted is no longer visible to non-admins, because it was composed of a copypaste of very long over-detailed excerps from newspapers, justified as being based on an CC-NC license. Such a license is not compatible with WP--NC beans commercial use is forbidden, and WP articlesmust be usable by anyone. (and such a string of detailedreprint would nto have been a WP article in any case). A more experienced reviewed marked the copyvio, and another admin with wide experience on such issues deleted 95% of the article, leaving a stub. I deleted a little more that was present in the infobox. Possibly the most improtantthing to be aware of in reviewing is the possibility of copyvio. First, it was obvious from the face of the article that it was copied and the license not appropriate to WP, and second, it is necessary to check every draft and new article for copyvio as a matter of course. Please see the other admins comment at User talk:Southern Armada DGG ( talk ) 04:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

It was me who had brought the article to the attention of Dianaa who deleted 95% of the text as you indicated. Unfortunately I had accepted the article after fact checking it but hadn't run it through Earwig until after I had accepted it, it was at this point I found the change couldn't be reversed and asked for Dianaa's help including making the comment that alot of the text was presented as quotes which is can be acceptable when attributed. Thanks for the comments but I aware well aware of the the mistake I made and have been running Earwig as a first step rather than a last step when reviewing articles. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 04:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah

Please remove 'Speedy Deletion' warning from the topic as it is improved now. And more improvement is under progress. As it is a book written in beginning of Islam and have no chance/intention to use it as advertisement. As most of authentic links/references are in Arabic so it took time to find English references for it. Regards. Hasan.2526272829 (talk) 04:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion nomination of DM Deepak Rawat

I want to create a page of popular IAS officer of India. Currently He is the District Magistrate of Haridwar in Uttarakhand in India. And you want to delete this page....this is ridiculous.😂😂😂😂😑😑😑

Do you know that DM Deepak Rawat is the most searched IAS officer on Google in 2017?

You know what you are saying this is what you mean to say like this: Why should we know to a state's chief minister, why should we know to any of the IAS Ashok Khemka, why do we know about any IAS Chandrakala? He is a popular IAS officer in India.

And if he is most searched IAS officer. It obviously means that people want to know about him. This is a simple logic. And you editor.......if couldn't understand it. You need to go school again my boy😂😂😂😂😒😏😏😏😂😂😂 Ajajaymehta (talk) 09:13, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Been deleted now mate. Try reading WP:GNG. Hughesdarren (talk) 07:52, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

never ending saga

sorry youre just part of the watchlist when it comes to tagging, collateral damage so to speak, at least I have met you in real life, trust overnight not too cold JarrahTree 13:09, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

No worries, It's bitterly cold - we are huddled around the heater. Hope Perth is faring better.Hughesdarren (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

officially 9 in the big smoke, and down a degree or two the further you go in... JarrahTree 13:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

The Curse of the 5,000

Has been lifted somehow, it is gone...https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles - its only downhill from here :( JarrahTree 14:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

If I never see another moth talk page again it still be too soon. 21:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

If you think about it - other species have not had the advocacy that the moths got - maybe someone will cotton on and provide another set of thousands of x is a y that exists in australia  :( JarrahTree 23:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your wise words. Contaldo80 (talk) 02:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello Hughesdarren,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
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Sydney Central Police Station

I received a suggestion from you re the above article "Tag:close paraphrasing." I'm sorry to say I couldn't see what you meant. I have added another reference and also, with help from another user, changed the attribution to a "CC-BY" as granted by NSW Heritage. Perhaps this solves the problem. If not, could you please let me know what you think needs doing. Thanks. Collywolly (talk) 11:35, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Acacia siculiformis

Hi, as there wasn't a picture on the article, but there are two on Wikimedia Commons I've added one. There isn't any reason to distrust the identification, is there? Worried there's something I'm missing. Blythwood (talk) 09:23, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Good call, The habit and phyllode shape look right. I must have missed it, usually I take a peak at commons but obviously didn't this time. Cheers and best regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:31, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Can I Please Request Something?

Hello Hughesdarren, Can you please add some more The Essential album series to https://wiki.riteme.site please? Can you please add The Essential Dolly Parton or The Essential Eric Carmen and The Essential Michael Bolton needs a Picture. Can you please help and thanks for adding stuff to Wikipedia English. I hope you have a nice night. Do You have an GMail Account where I can message you? Please feel me to help me if I make any mistakes on any article. Thanks User talk:BrianJohns1982 —Preceding undated comment added 10:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello to you too, you and I both know you have been blocked so you can stop messaging me about the Essential collection. I will not be adding to or creating any of these articles at anytime in the future. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh Okay, Thanks sorry about that I just wanted to thank you for fixing The Essential Kinks that's all. From User talk:BrianJohns1982 10:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

He is on to you

I'm just letting you know that Boing! said Zebedee and Richard3120 is talking about you on the page. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars#"The_Essential..."_sockpuppetry They mention your name for some reason. Just be careful okay. I know you don't like people talking about you. Boing! said Zebedee and Richard3120 is talking about you in a bad way. I thought I just let you know. From talk 3:22 June 15 2019 (UTC)

Little swift

Australia? Quetzal1964 (talk) 07:58, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I didn't add the WP Australia tag, just the low importance tag. I didn't see anything that specifically mentioned Australia in the article but it did say they migrated to Sri Lanka so I thought maybe they occasionally got as far as Australia as well and as a result left the tag in, feel free to remove if you know for sure that they don't. Hughesdarren (talk) 08:05, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

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Acacia distribution maps

I have some 900+ distribution maps for Acacia. I have now put up most of the A's, and some extra B's... I still have a long way to go.... (Hope you might wish to use them.) Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Cheers Margaret, will start adding them in over the next couple of weeks, keep up the good work! Hughesdarren (talk) 11:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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Scientific homophobia

I don't think the article was ready to move into article space - I have raised some concerns on the article talk page. (I also see it was a school assignment.) StAnselm (talk) 19:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Replied at article talk page. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Bradshaw Station photos

Hi @Hughesdarren:. I visited Bradshaw Station as Bradshaw Field Training Area with the Historical Society of the Northern Territory, in both 2009 and 2010. My photos for 2009 are found here, but most of the links in the descriptive section no longer work. Photos (2010) for the packhorse cutting (which at the time was on the heritage register of the NT) are at Bradshaws Packhorse Cutting. We only managed to find the cutting because there had been a major burn which exposed some of the drystone walls and rocks which marked the way, and we found it probably a fifth of the way from the top. Photos for 2010 also include the exploration of the Leichhardt yard, again with interesting bush engineering.

Far better organised are books I made for my sister and me to document our visits: Bradshaw 2010 August 22, 2010 documenting the Leichardt yards, and aboriginal art at the Inukalen cataracts. Bradshaw 2010 August 21, 2010 documents the hunt for the packhorse cutting, and a further book documents the 2009 visit. These three books can be read completely online and all the photos (except those with people in them) can be uploaded to commons from Flickr...

I am still trying to hunt down the status of the packhorse cutting. It no longer seems to appear on the NT register. But when I put the book and album together, it said: "The cutting has scientific value as an example of bush engineering, testimony to the resourcefulness of the early pioneers. The cutting has historical value because of its association with and use by the Bradshaws, Mounted Constable Ted Morey and by stockmen Tom and Jack Liddy in Harold Cook's time (1925-37). Directly behind, or north-west, of Bradshaw homestead is the cliff lined Yambarran Range. Running through a gap in the range and cut into the hillside for a lengthy distance down the slope is the packhorse track. It has been constructed in a zig zag across the slope. The lower side of the track is often built up and supported with roughly made stone retaining walls. The track reflects the difficulties of access and transport during the horse era in the Territory's history, and vernacular engineering techniques used to overcome them." Taken from [5], a link which no longer exists. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Cheers Margaret, nice work with the images and articles. I've never been there but had read something about it prompting me to write the article some time ago now. Thanks for the improvements! Hughesdarren (talk) 08:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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Sooraj Pancholi

Hi @Hughesdarren: How are you? I removed that notability but I think i've been a bit premature. It seems the guy is now in prison for abetting the suicide of his girl. He's been sentenced to 10 years. There is only two sources supporting the article that are quality so I think it is probably non-notable now or tenuous at best. The jailing is aa single event, doesn't have a bearing at the moment. What do you think? scope_creep^Talk 12:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Scopecreep:, yes I saw the same sources and thought tenuous at best and thought I'd throw a tag up. I'm not fussed either way. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 12:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

review

hey moderator

can you look it now https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Shahid_Shabaz ? i've fixed the references need your help

I'll take a look.... Hughesdarren (talk) 23:06, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Been deleted by an administrator, If you develop the article again in your sandbox let me know and I can help you out if I can. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 04:46, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi can you move the page you want deleted to draftspace

I want to make so others can edit the page NunesVsAndrade (talk) 19:19, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? Hughesdarren (talk) 23:06, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

OK

It seems at last we have a log working (not sure it has earlier stages) https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Australian_biota_articles_by_quality_log - worth putting on your watch... JarrahTree 00:32, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

NJOMZA

Hello, I've seen that you noted my NJOMZA page for deletion, I'd please know what more can I add to stop receiving these deletion mark please? Thanks Iambacknimbetter (talk) 01:33, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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Regarding the Speedy Deletion of "LimeLife By Alcome"

Hello, you tagged my new page LimeLife By Alcome for speedy deletion due to lack of significance. Here is why I consider the page to be significant:

• The company was purchased by a major cosmetics company for the significant sum €109.8 million (US $128 million). I intend to edit the page to include a link to page 27 of L'Occitane 2018 Fiscal Annual Report which cites this figure. Also from the report (pg 33): "The brand achieved exceptional growth, with sales growing more than three-fold in the past calendar year. LimeLife has now expanded beyond its home market in the United States, launching in Canada in March 2018 and in the United Kingdom in June 2018"
• The company was the focus of the podcast "The Dream", with link that I already included to an entire episode exposing this company. I will also add a link to this article in Time.com, which cites "The Dream" podcast as the #6 best podcast of 2018: Time Article on the significance of The Dream podcast

Because MLM companies are scandalously tight on releasing financial data, it is difficult to cite this type of information to prove significance. However, it is important to include these major companies in Wikipedia so people can see that they are MLMs. I don't know that you should personally be the arbiter of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsb705 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not personally the arbiter of this (to use your words). I placed the tag then an administrator deleted the page. You really need to read WP:GNG to understand what is meant by significant. Maybe also consider writing the article in your sandbox so you can add to it incrementally then getting opinions of others rather than putting it straight onto the main space. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 09:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback and link to significance page. Will try to continue working on it in sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsb705 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

just in case...

been sending this to others - thanks for your incessant help!!!

We are now less than 3k - how can you help? when you create a new article - please try to complete the biota assessment, https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles when you deal with an older article - it is well worth going to the talk page and tweaking for biota.. Thanks for your work in biota articles !! cheers JarrahTree 00:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

NPP

Hi. I noticed you tagged and patrolled Prince Jaidy Derby as OK for insertion . However, a close examination of the sources casts doubts as to their reliability and in-depth coverage. Please consider a possible route to deletion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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Howdy Kundpung, I thought I'd unreviewed it when I added the other tags to it. Happy for you to nominate for deletion if you like. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your recent support during my RfA. I really cherish the NPP community and the kind words expressed by you and the other reviewers was so meaningful. Thanks and I look forward to seeing you at NPP, or elsewhere, soon. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

My pleasure, well deserved. Congratulations! Hughesdarren (talk) 09:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Incredible Zigi

Hello Hughesdarren. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Incredible Zigi, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: some of those sources might be reliable and thus their coverage indicate significance. Take it to WP:AFD instead. Thank you. SoWhy 12:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Oliver Bonas

Hello Hughesdarren. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Oliver Bonas, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article claims coverage in reliable sources. Thank you. SoWhy 12:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: MCG Health

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NPR - Keep up the good work!

Hi. I'm impressed with the number of patrols - this is exactly what we want! I have reviewed your most recent 250 patrols. I have extended your NOPR right for a further 1 year. However, see the messages above, and do brush up again on deletion criteria. Don't be afraid to move inadequately sourced BLPs to draft. Do read our most recent nnewsletter. Keep up the good work! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Cheers, thanks for the feedback. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Dilshad

Hey Hughes! The page looks like an absolute mess. I saw a previous edit and thought I would update it so. This person actually has a few newspaper articles written on him. What do you think we can do about this situation? How do you think the current edit looks? — JosephJames 14:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Joseph, I'm assuming you mean Dilshad (entrepreneur)? Been deleted now...Hughesdarren (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah. I think the person, in account of having a few articles written about him, MIGHT pass the notability test. Can we improve this edit? Or is it still ineligible to be an article? — JosephJames 04:59, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather:@Largoplazo:@JalenFolf:@Dilshad002: As persons of interest in this matter, shall we discuss it over here? — JosephJames 05:01, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

The revision as it stands is good, but could use some work. Best to incubate it in draftspace. Jalen Folf (talk) 05:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

You might want to ping Sir Sputnik as well. They originally blocked Dilshad002 for sockpuppetry. I just reblocked them for longer and deleted the article as a G5. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 05:09, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@JalenFolf: That's fair. There seems to be some confusion around naming the article though. Should it be Draftspace:Dilshad or Draftspace:Dilshad (entrepreneur) or Draftspace:Dilshad (businessman)? — JosephJames 05:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather: I'm aware that this person had been banned and is probably creating an article for self-promotion. But as it is, the article he wrote, I feel is, as Jalen put it, "good, but could use some work." How do you think we can improve it? — JosephJames 05:14, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sir Sputnik: Inviting you to the discussion. — JosephJames 05:15, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it really matter what the draft is called? Always puzzles me when I see draft articles moved to slightly different names. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 06:39, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather: So Draftspace:Dilshad is fine? — JosephJames 06:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

If someone independent of him finds him notable and writes an article, that's fine, but it should be from scratch, not working from the self-promotion of a now-blocked user. Largoplazo (talk) 07:31, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Largoplazo: I created a draft. How do you think it looks? — JosephJames 11:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

As the draft is only five sentences long, having two media accolades in it makes it look like a promotion piece. Both quotes, especially the first one, are abstract, conveying no information.

The first one would better be replaced by concrete information about what sort of "shaping" has been involved and one or more examples of how the firm has exposed brands to the world.

The second quote, that he has created "a strong online community of Keralites on the web landscape", is mystifying in the context of the draft as it otherwise lacks any suggestion that his company would have anything to do with creating a community of any kind, let alone a strong online one of Keralites. The quote relies on an informational foundation that's absent here; hence, it looks like gratuitous WP:PUFFERY.

By the way, I saw you added the ping to me after the fact. That doesn't work! A ping template or other means of notification (such as [[User:Largoplazo]]) triggers a notification only if it's part of a block of text that ends in ~~~~ that was added in the same edit. If you save an edit and then realize you meant to ping someone, you can add the ping template, possibly with "See above" after it, and sign it on a separate line after your contribution. Largoplazo (talk) 11:40, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I have doubts about the notability conveyed by the four sources. Notability is not temporary. All four sources were published in the same four-day period. All of them consist mostly of him channeling his own story, all four are using the same publicity photo, two of them have titles beginning "Meet Dilshad", and two of them have exactly the same paragraph, the one beginning "This is where Dilshad entered into the scene ...". In my opinion, these are all examples of perfunctory articles written at the same time around what was probably one press release, and convey no expectation that we'll ever hear of him again—even if the company can eventually be shown to be notable. I feel that to demonstrate notability now, we'd need a broader selection of sources. Largoplazo (talk) 11:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake in pinging, hehee. I'll work on the draft based on your points. Thanks for the long, detailed explanation. — JosephJames 12:19, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Largoplazo: I was late to notice that the news articles on this person were published in a four day period. They do seem like press releases. I think we should let it remain a draft for some time. I'll work on the draft if new information about him or his 'firm' arrives. Thanks for the inputs again! Cheers. — JosephJames 12:31, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Largoplazo: Hey. I worked a bit on the draft. I have added some (new) information about two award wins and updated it according to your suggestions. The draft has been submitted for review. If you are free, please take a look. — JosephJames 15:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

It's definitely better, nice, though I recommend waiting for the formal review. Largoplazo (talk) 00:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather:@JalenFolf:@Largoplazo: Can someone among you review it? — JosephJames 05:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Great job

Hi @Hughesdarren: Just wanted to say what a great job you are doing and to thank you for it... (Whenever something is linked to the AVH, I get a ping.).. So, occasionally, I notice what is going on.. Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:35, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Paper Wings And Halo deletion

Hello,

Recently you tagged this page for deletion. You explained that the article wasn't significant enough to be included in an encyclopedia. I would just like a clarification of this statement. The article in question is for the debut album of a singer-songwriter who's had a lot of recent success behind the scenes as a songwriter and gotten acclaim for her own work as well. However, I think I understand if the album from this article in question doesn't appear to contribute to any of her significant achievements. If you can clarify, I don't plan on contesting the deletion.

RandomChoiceForMe (talk) 8:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

damm

I didnt even get the backlog down below 2000 before you got back, oh well, life goes on... JarrahTree 04:16, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

OMG - I think we have thousands of items that made no attempt to add australia at all -

the battle is complicating as we get close to the easy to find last 2000, I think there are others looming with no oz tag on then such as at https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Acrocercops_penographa&action=history JarrahTree 10:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Dentology

Hi User:Powhitehorn

This is in reference to your request of “speedy deletion nomination of Dentology” Ian Cordle who copied my content and video will be placing my name and referencing me for the work he took @ https://thedentologist.com/what-is-dentology-a-detailed-explanation-of-paintless-dent-repair/. There is a video that he also copied imbedded in his article.https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=ugv7BRG8e7o. Look at time stamp 1:32 You will see my logo from the original video copied. Furthermore, here is the original video https://vimeo.com/246057533 that I created. This works full manuscript is 990,000 words with 72 illustrations and is being edited by Dr. Bill Jenkins at Columbia State College. I have 42 videos but only Mapping Micro Dynamics and Single Solution Theory have been published to date. Having said that, I am simply gleaning information from this industry. These ideas have been oral tradition until now. I appreciate your diligence in this matter. i.e. Im not infringing, I was infringed upon. Respectfully, User:Powhitehorn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:Powhitehorn, Unfortunately the website have a copyright symbol (2019) at the bottom of the page. If you contest the speedy deletion by pressing the blue "contest this speedy deletion" button on the page and give an explanation there then an administrator will sort it out. Once I place the copyvio tag on the page it will be scrutinised eventually even if I do remove it. Apologies for any inconvenience but copyright violation is a big issue. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 23:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:Hughesdarren I have spoken to Ian Cordle about his use of my information word-for-word @ https://thedentologist.com/what-is-dentology-a-detailed-explanation-of-paintless-dent-repair/. He has a agreed to site me on his website as the author and give me a backlink. It will take some time, since it must go through his website guys timeline. Either way, its good work on your part. Im actually glad you caught it, or I wouldn't have noticed Ians Rip-off of my intellectual property. powhitehorn —Preceding undated comment added 00:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Moving the articles back to mainspace

Hi, I was wondering if you could help me review and move the articles I created on An Giang province communes earlier back to mainspace. Onel5659 incubated them to drafts just because I haven't included the notes on them in the reference yet. I told him that I would do that later, but it seems like he's very rush on these things. Cn5900 (talk) 05:16, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Sure, would be glad to help, can't find anything under today's date in articles for creation. What date were they done? Or would there be an easier way to find them? Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 05:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

You can find them in Template:An Giang Province. Those 6 red links are the article's mainspaces. Thanks a lot Cn5900 (talk) 06:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

No worries, completed the refs, checked everything and put a message on the talk page for all the draft articles under Tân Châu listed in the template. Will do more this evening. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 07:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

All the listings in Tịnh Biên District have been checked and are in the main space and have been patrolled. Hughesdarren (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Participate in RfD discussion

Hi Hughesdarren, I recently listed a bunch of redirects for discussion. They are in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 11 (Thạch Phúc) and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 12 (Ninh Thuận, Bạc Liêu). The reason I request for deletion is because they were mistakenly created in the first place (even no sources cited, which is not acceptable and should have been deleted at that moment). For more details you can look at that discussion. Thanks a lot and have a good day. Cn5900 (talk) 16:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Juri Tanaka

Hi, please note that being written in a non-English language is not a valid AFD reason as per WP:AFD is not cleanup. The better response is to move it to draftspace and ask the creator to translate it, so i've done that and added an AFC review tag so it goes through AFC, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 22:58, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Gderrin

See this discussion:

"I disagree with the implied claim here that the principle of consensus requires prior discussion and seeking of consent in cases of simple, straightforward corrections (including removals) of edits that are just, simply, incontrovertibly wrong, as was the case in, for example, this edit. If you see an entry like that, and you have the expertise to understand why it's wrong, then the only correct thing to do is exactly what Wimpus did: remove it, with a matter-of-fact and informative edit summary. Accusing Wimpus of disruption for such edits is not appropriate. The onus here is clearly on the person who wants to reinsert such material to first get informed and understand why the entry may have been flawed. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:46, 27 September 2019 (UTC)"

And read the following discussion that shows that Gderrin is clearly misquoting his sources. In these instance we can not trust that Gderrin is quoting his sources correctly, as there are several red flags (misquoting Lewis and Short, indicating that -phyllus (written with a hyphen) would be a word). "The onus here is clearly on the person who wants to reinsert such material to first get informed and understand why the entry may have been flawed." Wimpus (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Each case can be discussed on the article talk page, again you don't need to remove the entire section if a single detail is incorrect -you fix it or discuss it rather than a deletion of referenced text.Hughesdarren (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

But in case it is clearly wrong, we can simply delete such edits. It seems that Gderrin has difficulties in correctly interpreting certain sources. He has to get informed, before reinserting such material. Wimpus (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect edits can be deleted but in both of the passages you are deleting the text is referenced. As part of the discussion the references can be quoted and hashed out as to what the problem is. It would also be better to discontinue this discussion and stick to the talk page for each article. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

a stale discussion, so much that is not our business, beyond pointy now. Wimpus, please stop trolling ~ cygnis insignis 09:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Draft: Ilfracombe Iron Company

I notice that this article was not accepted, because of the quotations in the Blast Furnace section. it is correct that I have quoted directly from the sources, but the sources - in both quotes - are from newspaper articles of the 1870s and so not subject to any current copyright. I am quite happy to alter the text to state that the quotes are from a newspaper of the time, but there really should be no issue doing what I have done from a copyright perspective. Let me know if there are other suggestions for getting around this but I think that the direct quotes work quite well. TrimmerinWiki (talk) 11:36, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Must have missed the quotes from the short piece of text that follows, article accepted into mainspace now. Nice work, Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 12:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Withdrawal of Barbara Noah speedy deletion template

Hi, I would ask you to withdraw the speedy deletion at this point for Barbara Noah. The question of notability is clearly different from when you tagged the article. If you still want to contest it, I would ask you change it to a regular deletion discussion, or propose that it be moved to the Draft namespace. Peaceray (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Bone, the article has been substantially improved - well done. Hughesdarren (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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getting there

wow -[6] - not far now... JarrahTree 00:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

change my edit ya dog

can’t believe it gonna eat whole tub of ice cream wot made ya even look at the page ya fuggen.. Bigdog696969 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Deletion of page Surfbouncer

I'm confused why this was deleted since it's equally as relevant as several other articles on similar topics. I specifically checked this in order to try to determine it's relevance. The articles I'm referring to are IVPN and VPNBook. What needs to be changed in order for it to qualify?

This is a quote from the Wikipedia page on speedy deletions " In particular, an article should not be tagged for speedy delete under CSD A7 where you think the topic is not notable, or does not prove notability by the references included." It goes on to say that the Notability tag should be used in such circumstances.Julia759 (talk) 21:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

I belive this article also comes under this quote from the speedy deletion page, "Pay attention to the policy, Contributors sometimes create articles over several edits, so try to avoid deleting a page too soon after its creation if it appears incomplete. Wikipedia articles do not have to be 100% perfect the instant they are first posted; that's why they can be edited." The article has only been up for a an hour. Julia759 (talk) 21:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

The article has been deleted by an administrator. In future if you intent to write an article over several edits then use your sandbox instead. The article had to few independent reliable sources to give it notability. It is also customary to write comments at the bottom of another editors talk page, not at the top. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:21, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

reviewed?

You marked Hermann Gallos as reviewed, but did you notice that it was a copy/paste creation, and there was a draft which should have been approved and then moved, - now it's deleted instead, and editing history got lost. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

This one was fixed, but please check next time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Usually I run articles through earwig, must have missed this one somehow, sorry for any inconvenience. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Brilliant work!

Hello old friend. Thank you for thanking me (again) but also for your brilliant work on Pterostylis article talk pages. I've calculated it only takes you about one minute to fix each omission of mine - but there's 300 of them! That's five hours just to clean up Pterostylis. Please forgive me for leaving that job to you. I wrote most of them more than 2 years ago - I've learnt my lesson and trying hard not to repeat the mistake. Gderrin (talk) 08:41, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

No worries, JarrahTree asked me to pitch in to clear the biota backlog. You've been too busy making all of those miserable Eucalyptus stubs into fantastic articles! I have one week left at home them I'm off to Asia for six weeks, hope you have a good summer and get some rain over there! Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 08:45, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Dan Lanning

Every single thing on that site can be verified by the source. I believe you are incorrect. Please reinstate the page, once you are actually able to click the links and verify the information posted.

You need to add secondary reliable sources see WP:RS, the article is in draftspace until this is done. When you have, then it can be reviewed. When you leave a message on another editors talk page it is also customary to sign it with four tildes. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 21:31, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

What secondary source? So you are telling me a UNIVERSITY source is not good enough for Wiki? Where am I supposed to find this information about a brand new coach in his 30s? It's not out there. You would think a major University's biography is good enough, no? FSUNolez06

A secondary source would be an established newsite or newspaper. The single source from his employer is not enough to establish notability. If there are no other sources then the subject is most likely not notable. Read Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Wait, did you just say the defensive coordinator for the Georgia Bulldogs is not a notable person? I don't even like Georgia, but wow! hahaha, well that explains why you keep deleting it. Well, man... if you don't know something about the subject, maybe leave it to the "mods" that do??? Also, guess what? If you take a look at the HUNDREDS of coach pages, they all source the university. It's time to start deleting a whole bunch of pages of VERY noticeable people. When would you like to start? User:FSUNolez06 (talk)

I didn't delete the article, I moved it to draft for you to bring it up to some sort of acceptable standard. The draft version was then declined by two other users. You then recreated the article with a bit of copyright violation and then an administrator deleted it. True, I know absolutely nothing about about American football but the lack of sources means the subject is just not notable (at least by wikipedia standards - as judged by three other experienced editors and an administrator). As for your argument about other coaches read WP:ALLORNOTHING. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Copy-paste?

As I wrote in the very first revision and on the talk page, this article is a copy-paste from Wikipedia itself. I made this article to separate the geographic location from the republic. Veverve (talk) 00:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

My bad, will remove tag. Hughesdarren (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Maybe you should not rule out the possibility that it is a copy-paste. You should check if the text found on the internet is a copy-paste from Wikipedia, or if the Wikipedia text is a copy-paste from around the internet (i.e. which text predates which). In any case, as far as I am concerned I only copy-pasted from Wikipedia. Veverve (talk) 00:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

So, what will be the course of action? Veverve (talk) 23:48, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

He is away - you will need to check w some other editor over the issue... JarrahTree 23:55, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

There is in fact no problem, sorry for having bothered you! Veverve (talk) 21:52, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

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Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

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Deleted page

HI, Hughesdarren am writing you to inform you about the page #article Diyemowei odior lily which was tagged for speedy deletion which I think is inappropriate to delete or tag the article for speedy deletion.cause the article is about a well known social media influencer, blogger and entrepreneur which I think there's is enough prove on the net and magazine that guarantees her a straight road into the Wikipedia encyclopedia space. thank you . thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkIblog (talk • contribs) 10:49, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

back

trust you didnt bring back the current virus with you, and that you had a good holiday, there are still a k or so of biota (discoverable) I am sure there are many more untagged and unrecognisable items that need to be brought into the fold, anyways its the same old place with the usual suspects and issues that seem to inhabit this zoo, even a new extra talk page item: regional tags for the whole state now... JarrahTree 04:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)