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== Just Kidding ==

Yunshui, on [[User_talk:Adarsh_Arvind | this talkpage ]] you stated that this user moved a page maliciously. I'm not so sure it was, and I question that text. He doesn't appear to have good english skills (his edit summaries, when he uses them are very small, and even then, he has syntax errors that suggest english is not his native language, his userpage was set up with very little text on it, had mis-spellings and some syntax errors suggesting, again , English wasn't his first language ). Yes, I know he's moved his page twice, and he's been told, but if he didn't understand what he was told, would that be malicious ? No, I don't know him, and no I don't support the user page into wiki move he did either, but I don't think there's evidence that it ''was'' malicious. <span style="text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em blue">[[User:KoshVorlon|KoshVorlon]][[User talk:KoshVorlon|'' Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti'']] </span> 16:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:That'll be Twinkle's standard warning text; possibly I should have gone with {{tlx|uw-create}} instead... Not malicious, but certainly [[WP:NOTHERE|not here]] for any productive purpose. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 06:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

== Help needed ==

Thank you so much Yunshui for helping me...but I will take some time to go through them (after which I will create a handbook, as I said) and I will need some more time also because I am going to take a Wikibreak from 4 September 2014, for nearly a week. But I need another help from you...:P. Actually I just loved your userpage...I simply loved it! And I am prsently revamping my userpage and I would love to use the same layout...and when viewing your source I saw that you have adapted it from another userpage (even that one's nice)...but you know what...I actually can't understand this source and cannot edit it. You can visit my [[User:Tamravidhir/sandbox2|sandbox #2]] where I'm drafting it. See like you have "talk, about me..." on the right hand side, placed vertically one after another....I wan't it to be placed on the sky (if you see the pic then you will be able to see it above the hills/mountains) placed ''horizontally'' one after another but I couldn't do this anyhow. Could you please help me? If you get time then could you please edit that page (I won't mind at all if you do so...if to say then more than being annoyed I will be infinity% more happy)...I feel that my present userpage is not as good as I hope this to be...please could you help me? --[[User:Tamravidhir|<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FF0038">Tamra</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FFBA00">vidhir</span>]] ([[User talk:Tamravidhir|talk]]) 16:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:Something like [[User:Tamravidhir/sandbox3|this]]? [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 06:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
::Oh my gosh! Thank you so so so so much! Really! That's what I wanted! Ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! Thank you thank you thank thank you so so much! :D --[[User:Tamravidhir|<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FF0038">Tamra</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FFBA00">vidhir</span>]] ([[User talk:Tamravidhir|talk]]) 08:51, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
:::Glad you like it. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 09:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
::::I'm liking it? Am lovin' it! :D --[[User:Tamravidhir|<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FF0038">Tamra</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FFBA00">vidhir</span>]] ([[User talk:Tamravidhir|talk]]) 09:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
{{od}} By the way do you feel that this article, [[Bichpari]] fails the general notability criteria? --[[User:Tamravidhir|<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FF0038">Tamra</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FFBA00">vidhir</span>]] ([[User talk:Tamravidhir|talk]]) 09:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
:Possibly, but populated places such as villages [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Populated_places|tend to be kept anyway]]. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 09:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
::Okay, gotcha! Thank you...^_^ --[[User:Tamravidhir|<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FF0038">Tamra</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#FFBA00">vidhir</span>]] ([[User talk:Tamravidhir|talk]]) 09:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

== Seeking adoption for Japanese performance art editing and article creation ==

Hello Yunshui!

I am a new Wikipedia editor. I signed up last week and have made my first edits on the Min Tanaka and Butoh articles.

The adoptee forum page shows that you are accepting adoptees. Your interests seem to compliment the project I am working on. My main goal at the moment is to create a Wikipedia page for my mentor and former graduate school faculty instructor, Shinichi Iova-Koga. After that, I will create one for his award-winning dance theater company inkBoat, which is already mentioned in the article on Butoh.

I have a fair amount of editing and writing experience for publication, but Wikipedia appears to be a whole other animal. I have already started working on small edits to build my street cred and have begun gathering my reputable sources. A little guidance, however, would be lovely.

You seem to know what's going on, friend. As long as you don't mind my fierce defense of American English ;-) I think you would be a great Wiki-Dad for me!

Warm regards,
[[User:Meganalli|Meganalli]] ([[User talk:Meganalli|talk]]) 19:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, dance isn't really my arena (personally I take a greater interest in movement systems that damage other people...), but I'd be up for taking you on board, despite your defen''c''e of a spelling system that jars my nerves. You look as though you've got the hang of basic editing, though based on your edits so far I'd caution you to read [[WP:WORDS]], [[WP:NPOV]] and probably [[WP:COI]] before taking on the articles you've suggested. Welcome to the adoption program! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 07:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

== please look at my page and let me know if it's "ready" ==

I am a college administrator making pages for UC Berkeley alumni. My first page is for Jeremy Bamidele. Can you please look at it and let me know what you think?[[User:Orujah123|Orujah123]] ([[User talk:Orujah123|talk]]) 02:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
:I prize honesty, so I'm going to be blunt - it's not even close to being an appropriate article for Wikipedia. Quite apart from the issues with formatting, and the fact that it's little more than a CV, the main issue is that there is not a single source in there which attests to Bamidele's [[WP:NPERSON|notability]]. You've included lots of articles that he's written, but these are instantly disregarded because a) they say nothing about ''him'' and b) he wrote them. The only other sources are passing mentions or list entries. What you need, before even starting to write an article, is a collection of sources which:
:*provide '''significant coverage''' of the subject
:*have been '''reliably published''' by major media outlets
:*are '''independent''' of the subject: i.e. not written by the subject or anyone close to the subject.
:An explanation of the meaning or these terms can be found [[WP:42|here]]. Without such sources, there is no evidence that Bamidele passes Wikipedia's baseline criteria for inclusion, and as such, we should not have an article on him here. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTDIRECTORY|not a biographical dictionary]] - we neither need nor want entries on anyone and everyone. Having searched for sources myself, I would suggest that Bamidele is ''not'', in fact, a suitable subject for Wikipedia, and if it is your intent to create multiple pages of this sort I would strongly suggest you reconsider. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 07:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

== Unblock Comment ==

Hey Yunshuni. Do you think you could unblock [[User:19mspyker]] so I can show him the ropes of the wiki?[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Freak</span>]][[User:MirrorFreak/Guestbook|<span style="font-family:Stencil;color:Blue"> My Guestbook</span>]] 14:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
:Given the that he hasn't posted anything close to a satisfactory unblock request, and more importantly, given that he appears to be claiming his account is [[WP:GOTHACKED|compromised]]: no way in hell, I'm afraid. Generally speaking, if a blocked user wants to be unblocked they need to dig themselves out; it's not advisable to go around advocating on their behalf. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 14:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
::I didn't think it would happen anyway. An I totally agree with you.[[User:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Red">Mirror</span>]] [[User talk:MirrorFreak|<span style="font-family:Ravie;color:Green">Freak</span>]][[User:MirrorFreak/Guestbook|<span style="font-family:Stencil;color:Blue"> My Guestbook</span>]] 14:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


== Adoption. ==
== Adoption. ==

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Just Kidding

Yunshui, on this talkpage you stated that this user moved a page maliciously. I'm not so sure it was, and I question that text. He doesn't appear to have good english skills (his edit summaries, when he uses them are very small, and even then, he has syntax errors that suggest english is not his native language, his userpage was set up with very little text on it, had mis-spellings and some syntax errors suggesting, again , English wasn't his first language ). Yes, I know he's moved his page twice, and he's been told, but if he didn't understand what he was told, would that be malicious ? No, I don't know him, and no I don't support the user page into wiki move he did either, but I don't think there's evidence that it was malicious. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 16:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That'll be Twinkle's standard warning text; possibly I should have gone with {{uw-create}} instead... Not malicious, but certainly not here for any productive purpose. Yunshui  06:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

Thank you so much Yunshui for helping me...but I will take some time to go through them (after which I will create a handbook, as I said) and I will need some more time also because I am going to take a Wikibreak from 4 September 2014, for nearly a week. But I need another help from you...:P. Actually I just loved your userpage...I simply loved it! And I am prsently revamping my userpage and I would love to use the same layout...and when viewing your source I saw that you have adapted it from another userpage (even that one's nice)...but you know what...I actually can't understand this source and cannot edit it. You can visit my sandbox #2 where I'm drafting it. See like you have "talk, about me..." on the right hand side, placed vertically one after another....I wan't it to be placed on the sky (if you see the pic then you will be able to see it above the hills/mountains) placed horizontally one after another but I couldn't do this anyhow. Could you please help me? If you get time then could you please edit that page (I won't mind at all if you do so...if to say then more than being annoyed I will be infinity% more happy)...I feel that my present userpage is not as good as I hope this to be...please could you help me? --Tamravidhir (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Something like this? Yunshui  06:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my gosh! Thank you so so so so much! Really! That's what I wanted! Ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! Thank you thank you thank thank you so so much! :D --Tamravidhir (talk) 08:51, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you like it. Yunshui  09:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm liking it? Am lovin' it! :D --Tamravidhir (talk) 09:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By the way do you feel that this article, Bichpari fails the general notability criteria? --Tamravidhir (talk) 09:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but populated places such as villages tend to be kept anyway. Yunshui  09:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, gotcha! Thank you...^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 09:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking adoption for Japanese performance art editing and article creation

Hello Yunshui!

I am a new Wikipedia editor. I signed up last week and have made my first edits on the Min Tanaka and Butoh articles.

The adoptee forum page shows that you are accepting adoptees. Your interests seem to compliment the project I am working on. My main goal at the moment is to create a Wikipedia page for my mentor and former graduate school faculty instructor, Shinichi Iova-Koga. After that, I will create one for his award-winning dance theater company inkBoat, which is already mentioned in the article on Butoh.

I have a fair amount of editing and writing experience for publication, but Wikipedia appears to be a whole other animal. I have already started working on small edits to build my street cred and have begun gathering my reputable sources. A little guidance, however, would be lovely.

You seem to know what's going on, friend. As long as you don't mind my fierce defense of American English ;-) I think you would be a great Wiki-Dad for me!

Warm regards, Meganalli (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, dance isn't really my arena (personally I take a greater interest in movement systems that damage other people...), but I'd be up for taking you on board, despite your defence of a spelling system that jars my nerves. You look as though you've got the hang of basic editing, though based on your edits so far I'd caution you to read WP:WORDS, WP:NPOV and probably WP:COI before taking on the articles you've suggested. Welcome to the adoption program! Yunshui  07:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

please look at my page and let me know if it's "ready"

I am a college administrator making pages for UC Berkeley alumni. My first page is for Jeremy Bamidele. Can you please look at it and let me know what you think?Orujah123 (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I prize honesty, so I'm going to be blunt - it's not even close to being an appropriate article for Wikipedia. Quite apart from the issues with formatting, and the fact that it's little more than a CV, the main issue is that there is not a single source in there which attests to Bamidele's notability. You've included lots of articles that he's written, but these are instantly disregarded because a) they say nothing about him and b) he wrote them. The only other sources are passing mentions or list entries. What you need, before even starting to write an article, is a collection of sources which:
  • provide significant coverage of the subject
  • have been reliably published by major media outlets
  • are independent of the subject: i.e. not written by the subject or anyone close to the subject.
An explanation of the meaning or these terms can be found here. Without such sources, there is no evidence that Bamidele passes Wikipedia's baseline criteria for inclusion, and as such, we should not have an article on him here. Wikipedia is not a biographical dictionary - we neither need nor want entries on anyone and everyone. Having searched for sources myself, I would suggest that Bamidele is not, in fact, a suitable subject for Wikipedia, and if it is your intent to create multiple pages of this sort I would strongly suggest you reconsider. Yunshui  07:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock Comment

Hey Yunshuni. Do you think you could unblock User:19mspyker so I can show him the ropes of the wiki?Mirror Freak My Guestbook 14:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Given the that he hasn't posted anything close to a satisfactory unblock request, and more importantly, given that he appears to be claiming his account is compromised: no way in hell, I'm afraid. Generally speaking, if a blocked user wants to be unblocked they need to dig themselves out; it's not advisable to go around advocating on their behalf. Yunshui  14:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't think it would happen anyway. An I totally agree with you.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 14:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption.

Hey Yunshui,

I'd like you to be my adopter, Can you adopt me please?

o: I

(Russell.mo (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Before I agree, I'd like to know a little more about what you plan on doing on Wikipedia. To date, you've made over a hundred edits, but not a single one of them to any articles. Adoption is designed to help new users join in with the process of building Wikipedia, but I've not seen any sign that you want to do that. That's not a criticisim; if you want to use Wikipedia as a reference tool, then that's absolutely fine - it's kind of what the site's for, after all - but you don't need to go through adoption in order to do so. If, on the other hand, you want to start writing and improving articles, then yes, I'd be glad to help. Yunshui  08:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Yunshui: A friend of mine refereed me to you, I just want you to stay by my side. I also would like to improve my English speaking, reading and writing; all are very basic. -- (Russell.mo (talk) 15:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC))[reply]

I don't think you need "official" adoption, then, but you're more than welcome to drop by here any time you have questions or problems. I'll try and keep a weather eye on what you're doing as well, and give you a hand if I think you need it. By the way, you don't need to ping me on my own talkpage - any time you post to a user's own talkpage, they get a notification automatically. Yunshui  08:17, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks! -- (Russell.mo (talk) 15:09, 8 October 2014 (UTC))[reply]

The Signpost: 01 October 2014

Page on Ulrich Drepper

The redlink page on Ulrich Drepper mentioned that you deleted the page as per a previous discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulrich Drepper. Interestingly, the same person seems to have a page on the German Wikipedia and French Wikipedia, among others. Do you think a translation of one of those (I can translate French) stands a good chance of not being deleted? I ask because he is a notable figure in the Free and open-source software community. (And I haven't contributed a page in a long time). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerjoos (talkcontribs) 12:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In principle I've certainly nothing against recreating an article about him, but I don't think either the French or German versions would survive over here in their current state - both of them seem to rely heavily on non-independent sources or trivial mentions. You'd need to hunt down a couple of reliable, independent sources with significant coverage of Drepper before an article here would stand a chance. If you can do that, then I'd say go for it. Yunshui  08:08, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I will give it a shot. Thanks! Gingerjoos (talk) 17:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing to vandalise after expiry of block

Hello Yunshui. This IP has resumed their career as a vandal after a temporary block. Question, do we start again with a sequence of 4 warnings?: Noyster (talk), 12:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No need; it's clearly the same person. Blocked the IP for a week. Yunshui  12:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you

Thank-you Yunshui! Scoooter3 (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! Er, what did I do? Yunshui  18:30, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Err He is talking about this. Don't think I'm living on your talk page, I just came here to see who has replied to Mirrorfreaks' sockpuppet incident--Chamith (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Socks

Hi Yunshui, I was looking at another post at you page and I noticed that you had reverted some vandalism done on MirrorFreak's page and received a barnstar for it. Heads up: The vandal was one of MF's own sockpuppets. He has used these, 13 of them, for things like this just to get some attention from other editors. He is now blocked for a week and you can see all about it at his talk page. Not the kind of MO you want around. Best, w.carter-Talk 17:39, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Was stalking others talk pages and came across this .I was surprised to see someone like MirrorFreak used socks,I have seen his edits and I thought he was a decent,skilled editor.I checked his talk page as well (Yes I kinda like stalking ) and saw that W.carter has been betrayed by him,I feel bad for him though.He wrote tons of "Are you guys going to answer me?" on his talk page.--Chamith (talk) 18:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@ChamithN:Hello stalker, yes he has betrayed a lot of editors, but as you probably also saw I did answer him even though he has spammed me and other users and been generally disruptive just to get attention. You should read it all before jumping to conclusions. Best, w.carter-Talk 18:17, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@W.carter: Yeah I just finished reading it ,Well said! No one can argue with that. I want to see what he has to say about your message, But sadly he can't because he has been blocked from editing his own talk page. It sucks so bad when you can't even edit your own talk page .However I think Yunshui deserves that anti-vandal badge no matter what MirrorFreak did, because Yanushi did his/her part by reverting vandalism --Chamith (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oddly enough, I had an e-mail chat with a checkuser (not Tiptoey) off-wiki almost as soon as I'd done the revert - I was convinced that there was something fishy going on. In the end, we decided to leave it alone; figured they were kids at the same school or something. Spotted the SPI yesterday. In future, I'll pay more attention to the paranoid voices in my head... right now they're telling me to eat a pizza...
And hey, barnstars for us admins come few and far between - gotta take the accolades where you can get 'em! Yunshui  18:28, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
LOL! Well, of course you deserve the star! It was just a heads up, Bon Appetite, w.carter-Talk 18:41, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly certain there are more socks of MirrorFreak still unreported.Theroadislong (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Further Reading in Martial arts

Do you have an opinion on the newly added section in the Martial arts article. I need to ask because I am feeling a bit reactionary and that is never a good thing. It was added by an IP but Bluestein has been plugging his book everywhere and this appears to be another attempt. It was followed closely by another pair of entries which are even more obscure. My gut feeling is to delete the entire section since all are either two focused (for a general article), advertisement or obscure. Tell me I am being silly and nothing more will be said.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:20, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Createspace?! Fuck no, that's ridiculous. The only one of those books that really belongs there is Draeger's, and I'm not even sure about that. No silliness on your part at all; I fully agree with you. Yunshui  13:24, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember correctly External Links was removed for much of the same reason. It was inviting the obscure.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with such sections is that every passing IP editor sees them and thinks, "Hey, my dojo should be on there!" Then they add it, which just exacerbates the problem. We should really have something at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_arts#General_conventions to establish a guideline for what should and should not be included. It would still require near-constant policing, though.
Still, I've just churned out an article on Du Xinwu which might well hit DYK in the next few days, so I'm fairly happy! Yunshui  13:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that - nice.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Might try and tackle Wan Laisheng tomorrow - it's amazing that we haven't got an article on him yet. Yunshui  13:39, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't look like they plan to quit - I've opened a discussion on the talkpage there. Yunshui  10:36, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidentally or not Zi Ran Men has just been put up for AfD debate. That might need a tender hand.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And there I was worrying that I'd get bored next week... I hadn't realised the current article was so awful, definitely needs a bit of kicking into shape. I'll get on it after the weekend. Appreciate the note. Yunshui  21:05, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(By the way, guess who pops up as the third entry on a Google Books search? Now that's coincidence.) Yunshui  21:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Just curious: Looked at the article+talkpage+book+author and am wondering if it really is within Wikipedia:User pages to include so much promotional material about works outside the WP on ones user page? Handy to know since I have have encountered similar things when helping newbies. Best, w.carter-Talk 12:42, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It could arguably fall under WP:UPNOT, but then again, he does edit martial arts articles, so one could argue that it's related to his Wikipedia activities (in that the links attest to his opinions on his chosen subject area). I'm not inclined to bother myself with it, but you'd hear no argument form me if you wanted to tag it as promotional - it's laid on pretty thick. Yunshui  12:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note.

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Matticusmadness's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Just picked up the Notification E-Mail saying you'd left me a message. MM (WhatIDo WHATIDO?) (Now THIS... I did.) 16:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 08 October 2014

Oh my God!

Oh my God Yunshui! I never knew that it was only me...I knew and even now I know that I'm Wikiddcitedbut never knew that it was same for all. When I read this I found that most of them (yes, most of them but not all) is true. It's a big surprise for me! Boom! :D --Tamravidhir (talk) 07:44, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yunshui I have a question, like you have that adminstats template is there a similar template for rollbackers and/or registered users? --Tamravidhir (talk) 07:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yunshui I need one more help...do you see this section...how they are place beside each other...I am using the same source here but why isn't the outcome same? Why is it one after the other and not beside each other? I have tried a lot but in vain. Could you please fix it for me? --Tamravidhir (talk) 10:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I no more need help for this last one. I have fixed it myself :D! Thank you! ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good stuff. As far as a template for regular users goes, there's {{Editcount}} (eg. Edit count for Tamravidhir) which will link directly to your edit analysis page - any good? I don't know of annything else that does a similar job to {{Adminstats}}. Yunshui  06:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid but I didn't understand what you mean by "good stuff". :/ --Tamravidhir (talk) 11:28, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I feel that that table is no longer needed...I already have a userbox mentioning my edits...so let it be. But thank you so much Yunshui! :D ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk)
"Good stuff" = colloquial British English for "well done" (for solving your own formatting problem). Yunshui  12:04, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really! Wo! I never knew that...thank you Yunshui... :D --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on your featured article

Congrats on your featured article
I can hear the Bonshō bell all the way over here. Thanks for the nice article. Pine 21:11, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - one of my prouder moments on Wikipedia! Yunshui  06:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bells are ringing! When would you want it to appear, any date or a specific one? We can help with the nomination. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think these particular bells really tie in with any special date (maybe the Bon Festival, but that's pretty tenuous). Whenever it happens to hit the Main Page is fine with me. Yunshui  12:34, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As you noticed I started to ring the bell for peace, good any day, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mentorship

Hello, Yunshui, As you know I am Wikipedia User Noormohammed Satya since few years editing and expanding articles on Indian Television, Indian soap opera and Indian Television & Bollywood Actors and Film & Television production companies of India and their related pages.

The purpose of me to edit these pages is to expand the information on pages in Wikipedia, to create accurate and correct information about the articles with accurate sources and expanding information about these articles for the users & readers of Wikipedia.

I was blocked and later unblocked on one of the condition being me having a mentor for certain period. As you currently adopting the adoptee and also you having certain knowledge about me, I find you suitable to be my mentor. I hope you would undertake me as your adoptee and be my mentor for the time as mentioned by the user for unblocking me. I hope for the positive reply.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noormohammed satya (talkcontribs)

Let me think about it for a bit. The requirement that I double check your every edit for six months is an incredibly onerous burden, and would pretty much prevent me from doing a lot of other work on Wikipedia. I'm not sure that I'm willing to commit to spending my next half-year doing little other than running every change you make through a copyvio detector. I'll give it some thought and get back to you later today. Yunshui  11:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ultimately, whilst it might seem a rather arrogant supposition, I think Wikipedia is better served by me doing my usual editing and admin work rather than monitoring your edits. Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm not willing to mentor you at this time. Yunshui  14:43, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Wan Laisheng

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats!

That moment...!
Congrats on your first featured article! Hurray! I know how you are are feeling (ha ha! :D) ! Congrats once again! ^_^ Tamravidhir (talk) 12:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Yunshui  12:42, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure, Yunshui! --Tamravidhir (talk) 10:58, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yunshui. pleased to make your acquaintance and congratulations on your first FA! I just completed reading it; well done. I see that the esteemed User:Gerda Arendt has nominated it for TFA, and I have just finished editing the blurb there, cutting it to fit the required size (feel free to make any adjustments). I have had the honour to work with one of your primary reviewers, the revered User:Curly Turkey, so I know the article must now be of the highest quality. I will be looking for it to appear on the Main Page! (Mine will be there tomorrow!) Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 15:06, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I worked on Kafka and appreciate the absurdity of the notorious criminal ringing the peace bell, for two years today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for Posting

Template:Im sorry for posting my personal details


Hi

Hi Yunshui, Its been a while being back in wiki agian, I have re-worked the article on Sri Aurobindo has it had failed GA 3 times now it would be my fourth nomination can you have a look and let me know if this is GA ready ? and congrats on your first FA Shrikanthv (talk) 11:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you again! I've only had a fairly cursory skim through the article, but aside from the need to fix a couple of your refs (check the reflist for red error messages) it looks okay to me. Certainly I wouldn't have any qualms about offering it for GA review; it might need some tweaks based on the review (the image File:ஸ்ரீஅரவிந்தரின் சிலையுரு.JPG is almost certainly wrongly licenced, for example) but it wouldn't quickfail and I think it would need very little work to pass. Good job! Yunshui  11:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

nbrequillo 11:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Thanks for giving informationnbrequillo 11:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlan245 (talkcontribs)

Want some help...

Yunshui, I just don't know what has happened-even three to four days back it was fine and no user has even tampered with the references, but suddenly I see that the reference list of Bade Achhe Lagte Hain is showing many ref errors. I tried to fix them but in vain. Could you please help me? --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite web won't display properly without a |last= parameter. The easiest fix is just to replace the last and first parameters in those references with |author= instead. I've done one, here, to show you what to do. Yunshui  12:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Yunshui! ^_^ I will fix the rest... --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to consider installing this script first, which might make the process easier. Yunshui  12:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have actually finished fixing the errors. The article no more has any ref errors. --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work - good stuff, in fact! Yunshui  12:53, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha! Thank you! Actually I working on this article so that it becomes a GA. I have requested a copy edit, but they are taking a lot of time. I actually have to add some more referenced info. What to you think? Can it, after a copy edit, become a GA? --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It needs some work, but a GA in the future isn't unfeasible. After a brief skim through, I'd say that:
  • the lead section needs a rewrite (the sources there should be moved elsewhere in the article) to meet MOS:LEDE
  • there's a lot of citation redundancy
  • the images (especially the cast image) should be checked, as I'm not sure they all meet the fair use criteria
  • the Music section needs better sourcing
  • the cast list doesn't seem to meet WP:NLIST and WP:Source list
  • some of the wording could be more neutral; the plot section in particular could use a bit of work.
Certainly there's a possible future GA there, though. Hope that helps. Yunshui  13:08, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Suppose there's a picture of living people posted in some social networking site by a production company...Is it non-free/free? --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will be extremely, extremely extremely happy if you help me...if you resolve these issues. Please would you help me? Please...don't say no! It will be a boon! Please Yunshui! --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I'll help you out? Whats the problem?Mirror Freak My Guestbook 13:17, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@MirrorFreak: You will help me? Really? God! Can't believe my eyes! You will really? --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Um, yeah I will. Do you need a copyedit?Mirror Freak My Guestbook 13:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@MirrorFreak: Not just a copy edit, but actually...I need someone to be with me and help me in resolving the issues Yunshui has mentioned above. Then we may together (or I or you) nominate for GA. I want it to be GA...I will do anything for it...will you help me MirrorFreak? --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This could work out well for both of you... @Tamravidhir: if I'm honest, editing Indian TV articles is a real turn-off for me (I'm not a fan of TV in general, as it happens), but it looks as though you've got yourself some assistance already. @MirrorFreak: this is a good chance for you to redeem yourself in the eyes of the community and do some article editing: I've outlined the major issues above, so you know what needs doing - just knuckle down and make the necessary changes. If you get the page to GA, you'll be doing Wikipedia a huge service.
Oh and regarding the image question above - a picture posted on a social networking site is no more in the public domain than if it stays in the photographer's drawer. The photographer nearly always owns the copyright, and unless they've publicly declared that they release their work under a free licence, we have to assume that they still retain all rights to the image. Yunshui  13:30, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'll help you. I may not be able to edit the article frequently because I'm also co-creating an article about a fish.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 13:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So in that case that image should be deleted. Shouldn't it be Yunshui? If it should be then I would like it to delete for nomination myself. --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it probably should, yes. If you want me to (since you're the person who originally added it) I can delete it under CSD G7 (uploader requests deletion). Yunshui  13:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please delete that image Yunshui...I am planning to go through the various copyright laws thoroughly.--Tamravidhir (talk) 13:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Image nuked (I've also removed it from the article, so as not to generate an image error there). Yunshui  13:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Yunshui! And suppose there's a lot of information about a specific episode, which generated a lot of hype, in this article. I feel that it can be best explained by a 30 seconds video (and I think that such a criteria exists). I can upload such a video, na? --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A video you made, or a video someone else made? If it's the latter, almost certainly not, I'm afraid. In any case, text would almost always be preferred for the purposes of explanation. Yunshui  13:52, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But what if it is difficult to understand the fact without something visual. As I feel that this part is such a part. --Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]


@MirrorFreak: So Mirror should we start now? I can start now...(please reply to this message at my talk page) --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yoo hoo! Mirror! You are there na? --Tamravidhir (talk) 13:47, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I replied to your talk page like you asked. I'm also currently working on co-creating my first article with Anna. Don't worry Yunshui, She's keeping me in line.
Anna's one of the good ones; she'll see you right. Yunshui  13:52, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a sec! I'm he and not she! --Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the confusion, we weren't talking about you, we were talking about another user.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 13:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Auu! Sorry! Am such a nincompoop! By the way, Mirror I asked whether you need some help. Do you? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:57, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Um, Sure! I don't see why not!Mirror Freak My Guestbook 13:59, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So Mirror what can I do? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:02, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Head on over to Scarus ghobban and see what you can do. Recommend you join Anna and Mirror's tag system (see MirrorFreak's talk) to avoid edit conflicts. Yunshui  14:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Page Protection

Hey Yunshui. I was wanting to know if you would please temporarily semi-protect the Worm article. It has been the target of increasing recent vandalism. Thanks, Mirror Freak My Guestbook 14:25, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably not worth it. The general rate of vandalism there isn't particularly high (it averages about one instance of vandalism every two weeks, going back through the summer), and even recently it hasn't been very heavily targeted (two vandals in the last week, both quickly reverted). No reason to apply protection in this case. Yunshui  14:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks for looking into it!Mirror Freak My Guestbook 14:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
btw, What does Yunshui mean?Mirror Freak My Guestbook 14:34, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Yunshui/About#My username. Yunshui  14:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing. I forgot about another account of mine that wasn't reported. The account is PrimitiveOne.Mirror Freak My Guestbook 14:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, we know. Tiptoey blocked it last week. Yunshui  14:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I finally created an article! You should check it out!Amanda Smalls 17:58, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice. Ichthyotastic, in fact. Yunshui  06:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Uh oh!

I don't know! What's all that grey grey stuff in the thumbnail of this file - File:Bade Achhe Lagte Hain teaser (for episode 166).ogv?:/ Tamravidhir (talk!) 12:56, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Aspect ratio adjustment - the aspect ratio of the displayed image is different from the aspect ratio of the video. Don't ask me how to fix it; I know next to nothing about video embedding. Yunshui  13:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm really not sure about the legitimacy of using copyrighted video here - I've never seen any other TV article which included video clips of the programme. Yunshui  13:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(Finally after two edit conflicts)
:::By the way let me tell you...your name always gives me a good good feeling. It reminds me of Breakfast at Tiffany's I.Y. Yunioshi (ha ha!) portrayed by Mickey Rooney...aaha! Those days...thank you Yunshui! ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:23, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But why can't a soap opera article have such a video. Film articles have. It also has a fair use rationale. So why not? I am confused. :/ --Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:30, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good film, that (aside from Rooney's hideous racial caricature...). Regarding the video, I'm now really unsure about using it. It doesn't seem to me to meet points 5 or 8 of the non-free content policy - I don't see how a video of two people necking (bear in mind that the reader will have no idea who these individuals are) and a caption which most readers on en-wiki won't be able to understand serves to illustrate anything that isn't already explained in the text. I would suggest running it through NFCR before trying to use it in the article.
Which film articles? I don't know of any that use clips from the film in their content. Yunshui  13:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, there are a couple: American Beauty (1999 film) and Dr. No (film) both contain such clips. I'd still suggest NFCR first, though. Yunshui  13:39, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(After an edit conflict) I understand...even Bengalis are caricatured sometimes in ways which is difficult to accept. They generalise certain typical things. But why generalise!? And I hate it. I understand. Anyway...actually if you go through the response section of the article you will see that it has been discussed in text and why I have used it that I have mentioned in the file's fair use rationale (please could you just check it?). And I know many film articles which have samples of films. You can find a whole lot of them here. Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:43, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm kind of on the fence... your NFU rationale is well-argued, and I can see that there's a case for including the clip. My personal take is that I don't know the answer, which is why I recommend taking it to a community noticeboard. Yunshui  13:53, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know any user who has written a GA and can give me some professional help? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Three to four non-free images which were uploaded by me are undergoing a review for days there. They have a huge backlog. Should I request a review now? Tamravidhir (talk!) 13:59, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Might as well get it all rubber-stamped by the community before the GA goes through. You might want to talk to Crisco 1492, he knows loads about both the article improvement process and the use of media on Wikipedia - far more than I do, it's fair to say. Yunshui  14:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yeah! I know him! Let me see...--Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:07, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How to Remove Article Issues

Hello!

Thank you for offering to help. Back when our article, SpaceWorks Enterprises, was first published, it was flagged with a number of issues, including: -The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. (June 2011) -This article needs additional citations for verification. (June 2011)

Since then, we have researched how to improve Wiki articles and have made numerous revisions. However, the issue warnings still appear at the top of our page. Is there anything else that we can do to get them removed?

Thanks so much! Ashley

Aruss88 (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be sufficient evidence of notability, so I've gone ahead and removed the tags at the top of the page. It's worth noting, though, that tags like that aren't intended to demean the article - they're there so that other editors can easily see what needs work, and can make improvements. Yunshui  19:13, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Thank you for looking into this for me and removing the tags. And I appreciate you explaining how tags work. I am new to editing Wiki pages, but I'm definitely learning! Thanks again.

Ashley

38.88.11.66 (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

bentsutomu1234

"http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Bentsutomu1234/sandbox&oldid=629754472
Really not sure what you expect me to do with this... Yunshui  07:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

What was your problem with this edit? The edit summary was rather uninstructive. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:58, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you spotted that... Accidental rollback, sorry. I was trying to deal with the IP who had commented previously. No issue with your comments at all (I put them straight back in as soon as I realised what had happened); the only reason for the revdel is that that particular version of the page still contains the IP's BLP violation which I'm attempting to clear up. Yunshui  12:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like now you misappropriated my edit to yourself [1] --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Since you made my original edit invisible... still seems like (for posterity) you said something which in fact I said --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would have thought the edit summaries (which I left in place for precisely that reason) indicate that the comment is yours, as does the signature. You make a comment... I revert it... I then revert myself - that would effectively mean that no change had been made to the page. I can't see how anyone would take your comment for something I wrote. Yunshui  12:30, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's impossible to give the diff currently, I mean the diff which attributes it to me. Here's me, just this morning, lecturing someone else on not to quote out of context for something said on Jimbo's talk page: [2] - Kind of impossible now for what I said on Jimbo's talk page myself... (sorry for being a bit principal on this) --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, without intending to sound officious, what exactly would you like me to do? The only way I can see to satisfy your request for visible attribution in the page history is to restore the diff, along with the BLP violation therein. I don't consider that to be an appropriate solution, but I'm entirely open to enacting alternative suggestions. Yunshui  12:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, you can provide the diff (it's 629841210); it's just that no-one except administrators will be able to view it. Yunshui  12:56, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks, I accept being caught in some sort of "collateral" from the edit that needed to be removed from eyesight. Thanks for the explanation on the technical limitations of the system. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dragonflies

Hey Yunshui, Do you want to work on an Dragonfly article with me? Thanks,Amanda Smalls 15:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Jonaldo Smith

Of course, no problem. The Rednecks (professional wrestling) is also a hoax (appears to be copying parts of The Shield (professional wrestling)), and I've tagged it as such. I've gone though the rest of his edits; most of them appear to have already been sorted/cleaned up and I've gotten the ones that weren't. Appreciate the help. NiciVampireHeart 17:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of unreferenced controversial information

Hi Yunshui. I wanted to report an issue to you. After repeated reversions and warnings User:Dillibabuji has been continuously adding unreferenced and controversial information to the article Krishna. Please help. What should be done now? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 17:06, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]