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Request from User:שוחרת

Good Afternoon Mr. Yushui,

I've just glimpsed your standard offer to rectify any deletion if provided "with three newspaper or magazine articles about the subject"

I'm hereby providing 6 in Hebrew and six in English for your perusal:

In English

  1. 4 pages article on Haaretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/into-the-valley-of-death-1.212390

"...The grunts' version

The opportunity to get the story of his chest was given to Broida by Corinna Hasofferett. Corinna looked him up when she was working on "Ba'aretz Lo Yadati" ("Unknown Territory," in English), a book of monologues by people who knew two of her friends, Eli Greenfeld and Amnon Abukai, who were killed in Israel's cross-border reprisal raids in the 1950s. "Corinna told me that she was taping the conversation," says Broida, a retired Dan bus driver who sometimes still drives the Kfar Sava-Tel Aviv route. "I told her that I didn't care, I'm not hiding anything."

2nd part Continuation)

http://www.haaretz.com/news/into-the-valley-of-death-cont-1.212414

"...Oral history, uncensored

It's one of the more unusual books to have been published recently in Israel. It's also a book that's hard to categorize. It's not a novel, not really a book of memoirs, not actually a work of history - but it is a book that offers a different, surprising take on Israel's first years. A loving and painful take, to resort to a cliche. Corinna Hasofferett, embarked on this literary journey in the wake of two friends who were with her in a youth movement and were killed in Israel's cross-border reprisal raids. For years she collected testimonies of people who knew them, taping and editing. She interweaves the testimonies, almost without intervention on her part. The result is a narrative flow that revives the period without any prettification or mythologizing. She herself describes the book, Ba'aretz Lo Yadati ("Unknown Territory," in English), as a kind of Fighters Talk - referring to the famous book (Siah Lohamim) in which soldiers described their experiences in the 1967 Six-Day War - “but with no censorship.” There are a few interesting revelations in the book, apart from the story of Yehuda Kan Dror. For example, confessions about the killing of captives, or a surprising confession from a member of Unit 101 - the precursor of the Paratroops, Unit 101 was established by Ariel Sharon in the early 1950s - that the unit did not have any fatalities because it operated almost exclusively against civilian targets. But concentrating on these aspects of the book could be misleading. It offers a far broader picture of a society that was still licking its wounds from the War of Independence, the picture of a country in which the signs of the previous Palestinian inhabitants were still visible, a picture of people whose memory of the Holocaust is not something they learned in school.

This is Corinna's sixth book, and she has published it herself - both for economic reasons and also to avoid having an outside eye that might cut sensitive passages. "

 

  1. http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-1/hasofferet.htm
  2. http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-1/contributors.htm
  3. http://jacketmagazine.com/18/khour.html (with about Corinna)
  4. https://vimeo.com/user1148653/unknown-territory-by-corinna-hasofferett-full-launcing-event , outstanding commentators, english captions.
  5. Interview at the Chanell 2 Israeli TV station, with English captions
  6. BCLA (British Comparative Literary Association) First Prize to Revelation by Corinna Hasofferett (trnsl with Betsy Rosenberg) with a critical article by Dr. Michal Sapir Cambridge Press, England Volume 18, pp. 173-196

In Hebrew

  1. https://library.osu.edu/projects/hebrew-lexicon/00256.php
  2. http://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.855784
  3. http://nuritha.co.il/he/node/17764
  4. http://jpress.org.il/Olive/APA/NLI_Heb/SharedView.Article.aspx? (First Prize, Aricha Prize Announcement, Tel Aviv U. Library Archive)
  5. http://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.1384907

As For My Being Myself Indeed: So I am, and have been for the last 81 years and almost 4 months, not a single moment regretted. You are invited to Tel Aviv, to check with your own eyes... or whatever else?

Dear Mr. Unshui, I am happy that your children had a good birth experience. Even so, my experience (at wiki, not with giving birth. owing to my heart health challenges the three of the lovely ones brought about most trying experiences...).

My experience prior to this wiki tribulations was most benign thanks to being assisted by One most helpful and respectful gentleman. When each time another person interferes - with goodwill, still... It is not economical, time wise and patience wise. Look how much time we have wasted up to now, energy and frustration. I believe one person who might have become familiar with my inexperience, would have been earlier able to clarify things, and - most important - in a friendly communication. Deleting a page should not be the first act of communication, unless indeed a crime is committed, endangering life.

Don't you think so? שוחרת (talk) 13:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת

@שוחרת: Hello, I am an uninvolved editor. I just happen to have this page on my watchlist, and since I like helping new contributors, I properly formatted your post so it would look good outside of the source editor. I would say that if all of your sources turn out to be about your deleted article's subject, you're doing really good at approaching the general notability guideline. I'm sure when Yunshui is around they will help you out. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Psiĥedelisto. שוחרת, you're taking my offer a bit out of context - I specifically state that I'll accept three newspaper or magazine articles each of which contains at least one paragraph of 100+ words about the subject (and I should probably specify that they should also be independent of the subject, but fair enough, my bad for not being clearer). Of the English sources given (the Hebrew ones may be better, but I'm afraid I can't read Hebrew and therefore am not in a position to judge them), none of them appear to provide much in the way of pertinent information about you. There is some discussion of your work, but that isn't a factor in deciding whether you yourself are notable.
However, never let it be said that I wasn't willing to lend a hand. I'll do some more comprehensive searches of my own over the next few days and see if I can scrape together enough for an article. Yunshui 雲水 13:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Actually, on further review, no - there's no point. The sources you're provided above simply don't provide enough information for a Wikipedia article. To address each of them:
In short, you have not provided the three newspaper/magazine articles containing a paragraph of subject matter about you. Instead, you've provide a collection of reviews of your work and biographical materail that you yourself wrote, none of which is usable on Wikipedia. I'm sorry, but after spending the last forty minutes investigating I am now more convinced than ever that you do not meet the requirements for a Wikipedia article. As I said above, this is not a reflection on you, but it does mean that we cannot host an article about you here. Yunshui 雲水 14:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Dear Unshui,

  1. Full Context
  2. I've read your offer carefully and have indeed answered in full context, investing much time and attention.
  3. I've sent you a long list. I see that you have on your watchlist more that 4000 pages. It is indeed admirable, yet in this case frankly - did it leave you enough time to read carefully the full linked articles?
  5. Notability.
  6. I must say I am stupefied by your response. A writer is 'notable' only if her writing is notable. The provided list mentions literary prizes (in Israel and in UK) and articles praising books. The Haaretz 4 pages article, published in both Hebrew and English, was the entitled cover page of Haaretz weekend magazine (the most important worldwide famous liberal newspaper in Israel).
  8. The critic and literary UK prize was granted by the national British Association of Comparative Professors at UK Universities. The Israeli Prize Aricha as well as numerous prizes and grants received from the Tel-Aviv Foundation for the Arts over the years, testify notability. The sample interview for the Israeli Chanell 2 TV was held for the notability of literary (and activist) work. A writer is her work. Her work is who and what she is notable for.
  10. Notability in excess
  11. Even so, the 'subject' was granted additional notability - not her choice and aim in life - for her peace oriented activity: In 1975 Corinna initiated 6 for six months encounters between Arab and Jewish writers and artists with Arab and Jewish youth in the Galilee. In 1984 Corinna initiated, established and run for eleven most trying years 2 artists and writers international colonies - residencies - in the North (Galilee) and the Negev (South of Israel), bringing together more than International 400 artists and activities for both Arab and Jewish residents.
  13. Relevance.
  14. If you sincerely feel that for whatever reason your hands are too full to immerse yourself in this made-complicated issue - I will sincerely appreciate your undeleting the Corinna Hasofferett in English page, so that it could be completed, and pass the wiki editing pen to a Hebrew speaker or an willing English editor.

Wishing you an unstressfull life and much happiness, שוחרת (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת

You appear to be misunderstanding the use of the term notability as it is specifically applied within Wikipedia - this is not the same as the dictionary definition. A subject is notable (Wikipedia's term) if and only if it has been written about extensively in multiple, independent, reliable sources. A writer is not notable because of their writings or activities, a singer is not notable because of their music, a business is not notable because of its products. It is entirely possible for a writer's works to be notable enough to be on Wikipedia without the writer warranting an article themselves.
This means that in order to write an article about a subject, we need several sources which talk extensively about that specific subject. In the case of biographical articles, we need sources that discuss events in the subject's life, and that deal with the subject of the article rather than their work. That does not appear to be the case here.
Regardless of whether I wish to write an article about you or not, the copyright issue which provoked the deletion of the original page still stands. Wikipedia cannot host content which is not available under a free licence, and since this is not the case with the text at http://archipelago.org/vol6-1/contributors.htm (the site is copyrighted by Archipelago Publishers Incorporated) the page cannot be restored. Yunshui 雲水 15:07, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

שוחרת (talk) 16:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)Dear Unshui, thanks for trying. Let me point to the misunderstanding, point by point.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/into-the-valley-of-death-1.212390 - this isn't about you, it's entirely about the story of the person you are interviewing. There is no pertinent information about you in the article. I'm not the interviewer! The article relates to my book. The journalist interviewed himself the protagonist of that book which happens to be a work of narrative literary nonfiction. It was good enough to receive the Havatzelet Prize in Israel, which, even if it does not happen to show yet on wiki, this does not attest to its notability. The second part of that huge article includes a profile about me and the book. http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-1/hasofferet.htm - this is a standard contributor's blurb, and I'm fairly sure is self-penned. Again, information about a writer is always provided by the writer herself, everywhere! What is relevant to the notability issue is that the chapter from the book was a work of art, notable enough to be included in that literary publication which at times had attracted over 250.000 readers, as their information said.

http://jacketmagazine.com/18/khour.html This is also text that you yourself produced. Same as above.

https://vimeo.com/user1148653/unknown-territory-by-corinna-hasofferett-full-launcing-event - this provides some interesting views and commentary, but the content here that's about you is taken from your own autobiography - again, you wrote this yourself. If you mean the english translation, it is word by word the esteemed speakers' response to the book. the book is not an autobiography, as one can understand from watching that over an hour long video. Again, if you search for notability - it's in a writer's work, not in her personal life. That's the huge difference between an author and a non creative celebrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMNGFcdcJFc - this doesn't really provide any information beyond the fact that you write a blog; that in itself is not a noteworthy achievement. That's all you found in that interview? If so, if writing a blog is that noteworthy, how come I was called to that TV interview?

BCLA (British Comparative Literary Association) award - Whilst winning a notable award is likely to make you notable, this is not a notable award (in that it doesn't merit its own Wikipedia page). Well the award is worthy for enough writers and translators to stand in line for it. After all the publication is the organ of all the UK Professors of Comparative Literature. The pages from 173 to 196 dedicated to the author' novella - including an academic article on it, penned by an objective writer.

https://library.osu.edu/projects/hebrew-lexicon/00256.php - this is taken from the German Wikipedia article about you - which you wrote yourself. Total entirely mistake. The link is from the lexicon of Hebrew writers established and authored at the Ohio State University in USA. It is in Hebrew yet carries the U. emblem, in English. http://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.855784 - This is a review of your book, it's not about you. right, and it praises my work, since a writer is derives her 'notability' from her work, Mr. Unshui. http://nuritha.co.il/he/node/17764 - Again, this is a book review.again indeed. http://jpress.org.il/Olive/APA/NLI_Heb/SharedView.Article.aspx? This URL doesn't seem to work for me, but the Aricha Prize does not appear to be notable (indeed, it doesn't appear to have ever been awarded to anyone else). Oh' it was awarded many times to many writers who followed in my footsteps. It is notable enough to be archived at the Tel-Aviv U. archives. The donor of the award is deceased, so it is not active anymore. http://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.1384907 - This is the Hebrew version of your first English reference, above. so I said. As for the 3 articles; One may found them in Michal Sapir article at the BCLA publication (published at the Cambridge Press in USA at the Ohio University lexicon, at the - Oh, now I remember, there is another interview at another Israeli TV on the occasion of the publication of my SODOT (A Minyan of Lovers) novel where, to my great displeasure, I was asked personal questions as well. It is a blocked link. By mistake I deleted it from the mail I've just send. I undelete in a new email, if only possible... Well, it is in Hebrew... Israeli notability...

To some it up, this important discussion it is not a reflection on any of us, only of the misunderstanding of what a writer's notability contains. Hence I request you kindly and justly undelete the page without further ado, with no additional impediments. In Thanks, שוחרת (talk) 16:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרתשוחרת (talk) 16:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

To reiterate, once more: On Wikipedia, a person is only notable if multiple, reliable, independent sources have written about them. Not about books they have written or blogs they have created. You are using a different criterion for notability from that used by Wikipedia. I really don't have anything else to add. Yunshui 雲水 16:40, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Should the only impediment be the Archipelago text - I can delete it and replace with relevant information carrying no rights claims, based on what I've learnt from this discussion. OK? שוחרת (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2017 (UTC)שוחרת

Per the above, this is not the only impediment. Yunshui 雲水 16:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Zhen Dexiu

Hello! Your submission of Zhen Dexiu at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:47, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Email

Hi Yunshui. Please take a look at your email inbox; I've send you a message, please reply to that. Thanks. Trijnsteltalk 21:35, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Also, forgot to ask, but please tell me whether you use irc. If so, what your irc nick & cloak are. Trijnsteltalk 21:37, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Never used IRC, not a medium I'm comfortable with. Emails and talkpages are my preferred forms of communication (I also accept unblock requests submitted via skywriting...) Yunshui 雲水 14:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Zhen Dexiu

On 29 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zhen Dexiu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Hongwu Emperor copied the text of Zhen Dexiu's work The Expanded Meaning of the Great Docrine onto the walls of his palace? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhen Dexiu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Zhen Dexiu), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Harrias talk 09:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Reporting an incident

Hi Yunshui! It's Tamravidhir here. It's really great to see you back. Welcome back, mate. :D Ummm, well, I am here in need of help. I have been noticing patterns of vandalism in a certain group of articles for quite a long time now. I had contacted another administrator but it has been 7 days, and no response. The vandalism however still continues, and I am afraid spreading. Could you please help me with this situation, Yunshui? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 18:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tamravidhir. I'm guessing this refers to the question on Titodutta's talkpage? That looks as though you need to get an SPI underway - I've had a bit of a look, and all the IPs do seem to be from the same area and ISP (bar one, which might just be a false positive), but the named account would need a CU. What you probably want is a rangeblock, but calculating those is a bit of bugger and I'm very rusty on how they work - I wouldn't want to risk it myself. My advice would be to take what you have to SPI and file a case there. Yunshui 雲水 12:33, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Okay. I will go ahead to SPI then. Thank you so much, Yunshui! :D --Tamravidhir (talk!) 16:49, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
It's strange how the vandalism part is absolutely ignored and not given any attention at all. What can be done now, Yunshui? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 19:32, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
This user is going on vandalising articles all over Wikipedia, and no one is doing anything? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 19:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
@Tamravidhir: Well, something can at least be done about the user account - I've blocked it for persistent unsourced additions (which, after doing a bit of searching, I'm pretty sure may be hoaxes). The IPs are trickier; if he's got access to a decent range then it may be a case of playing whack-a-mole until we have enough data for a rangeblock. Still, the account seems to be the biggest issue, and that's taken care of now. Yunshui 雲水 09:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Wen Shen

Hi, I just promoted your DYK nomination of this article to the prep area. Please link this page to at least one other Wikipedia page so it won't be an orphan. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Couple of incoming links added now. Yunshui 雲水 09:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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13:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Delighted....

...nice coming off a wikibreak, and seeing you're back. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 13:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Right back atcha! How've you been? Yunshui 雲水 14:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
As an Irishman would say: not too bad. Ageing goes hand in hand with diverse problems, external and internal. Lectonar (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Ain't that the truth... Yunshui 雲水 14:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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ね, Mi kayu ura って は 粥占 だろうか?

Hi Yunshui
It would appear the the corresponding article in the Japanese language Wikipedia is ja:粥占. That article omits the honourific prefix 神 (in its Kun'yomi as "mi")
It would possibly seem that perhaps the article may perhaps be better titled "Kayuuura" or something similar, following MOS:JA.
What do you think about this? Pete "どうも, どうも, どうも" AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I went with the apparent COMMONNAME based on the sources I had at the time the article was created (two using "mi" and one leaving it out) but since then I've added more and it does seem that "kayu ura" is more common. Reckon I'll shift it to the shorter title. Thanks for picking up on that! Yunshui 雲水 10:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

GA review of Deseret alphabet

Hi Yunshui, thank you very much for your review. I don't have time to really fix everything tonight, but I did find one issue that could be fixed relatively easily, the Jenkins CreateSpace font stuff is not OR, Jenkins actually does specifically lay out each character in an "About this Book" section in the beginning of each book of the Deseret Alphabet Classics.

So, at the time I wrote the section I didn't own any one of the books, but now I do and I realize that this is also verifiable by you if you click the "Look inside this book" section on e.g. [1], where the table appears on page "v" and a small summary of what's changed appears on page "iii". Jenkins also clarifies on page "iv" that you can refer to page "v" to see, you know, the differences between the classic glyphs and his glyphs. So I'm going to change that sentence to use the intro to H.G. Wells' The Time Machine as a source.

I'm not sure I agree with you that using our eyes to see features of a font is OR, you know, whether a font is serif or sans-serif or whether a Q has a bisecting tail or a tail that meets the bowl is obvious to anyone that looks at it that knows what the terms mean (Yes, I also wrote this section), but luckily for this specific case that is not an argument that we have to have. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 11:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

That look like a good solution. I agree that if the author provides a side-by-side table then it's fairly clear what graphemic changes have been made. I also like that you've changed the text of the article to specifically refer to that series of books, it gracefully resolves the self-publishing issue as well. I reckon you have yourself a Good Article there, and will go and mark it as such right now. Yunshui 雲水 11:59, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Awesome! Thanks again for your review. I will work on the other minor stuff this week, I live in Philippine Standard Time (UTC+8) and have to be up early tomorrow so can't get too invested in it tonight, but glad I could clear up this issue. I do see now the difference between a table laying out the changes and just gleaning the changes from multiple signs and calling them part of the same font; it seems pretty likely that the font is the same between the same books in the series but just based on the title this isn't absolutely provable so I do see how it can be WP:SYNTH/WP:OR. Anyway, I'm glad it was easy to solve! Also, just so you know, I spent weeks researching this and even reading cursive shorthand notes in Deseret alphabet on the LDS church library for the #Handwriting section, and I still read at a quarter of my normal speed in the Deseret Alphabet Classics book I have. I figured, you know, I should be able to read it just by having worked so much on the Wiki article, not even close, I'm sticking to regular orthography. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 12:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
𐐝𐐵𐑌𐐼𐑆 𐑊𐐴𐐿 𐐩 𐑀𐐳𐐼 𐐴𐐼𐐨𐐲 𐐻𐐭 𐑋𐐨. 𐐗𐐲𐑌𐑀𐑉𐐰𐐽𐐲𐑊𐐩𐑇𐐲𐑌𐑆 𐐪𐑌 𐑄 𐐘𐐳𐐼 𐐂𐑉𐐻𐐮𐐿𐐲𐑊, 𐐰𐑌𐐼 𐑃𐐰𐑍𐐿 𐐷𐐭 𐑁𐐫𐑉 𐐫𐑊 𐐷𐐳𐑉 𐐸𐐪𐑉𐐼 𐐶𐐲𐑉𐐿 𐐪𐑌 𐐮𐐻! Yunshui 雲水 12:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui! I fixed those wording issues. I was wondering if you think this article has a chance of passing the WP:FA process? I was thinking of nominating it. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 01:42, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

FA is a bit of a gauntlet - you're looking at many, many hours of work, fixing the most niggly little things... but it certainly wouldn't be impossible. In fact, I'd say you aren't far off already; not only does it have a chance of passing the FA process, that chance is a fairly good one. Yunshui 雲水 09:14, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

My Talking Hank

The page you deleted has been recreated with same problems. Can you please delete and WP:SALT it? Coderzombie (talk) 15:13, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Looks to have been dealt with already. Yunshui 雲水 07:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Can you help with a dispute / bullying?

I looked at WP:Editor assistance and chose someone pretty randomly whose description sounded like they may help. Please tell if you have no time for this.

We've been in an "edit war" with User:Ahunt on the page Guix System Distribution (GuixSD) for a while. (GuixSD is a piece of sotfware; an operating system distribution in particular.) They seem to be "guarding" the article with a highly critical perspective, hindering useful contribution. The main point of dispute is the introduction section. I've provided very extensive explanation on the talk page of the article on why GuixSD is a "distribution of the GNU operating system" and not a "Linux distribution". They have not provided any viable counter-arguments to my reasoning, yet kept insisting on undoing my edit.

One of our first interactions with Ahunt included them calling my reasoning "utter garbage" in the edit log while undoing my edit. Later they kept accusing me of conflict of interest because I've contributed to GuixSD in the past (even though calling it a GNU distro rather than Linux distro has no advertorial benefit to the project, if not actually making it seem more obscure, as most people have heard of "Linux distro" but never of "distribution of the GNU operating system"), told me to Assume Good Faith (after I pointed out that they seem to have deterred another editor from contributing in the past), and started accusing me of resorting to personal attacks when I said that I perceive their behavior as vandalism and bullying. (In particular, after they also removed a useful piece of technical information from another part of the article, claiming it's an instance of puffery. I since re-added the information with an explanation and citation.) When I said I wouldn't tolerate such behavior, they put up warnings on my talk page. I suppose their position in Wikipedia gives them privileges to do so, which I see as an abuse of authority. (As a relative Wikipedia beginner, I do not know the technicalities of such warnings; I've noticed that I was able to simply remove them from my talk page...)

I suppose me calling their behavior "vandalism" may have been going too far, as this term seems to have a specific and strong meaning on Wikipedia, although I certainly see it as a form of disruptive editing and their treatment of me as bullying.

If possible, I would like either 1) user Ahunt being deterred from their bullying behavior and asked to return to good-faith discussion on why they believe GuixSD must be listed as a "Linux distribution" in its introduction, and/or 2) user Ahunt being barred from making edits to the GuixSD article.

If you decide to look into it, thanks a lot in advance. TaylanUB (talk) 10:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I know little about the subject under discussion, and am not motivated to read up on it in order to try and settle this dispute; you may want to consider WP:3O or another more formal form of dispute resolution. I will point out, though, that I see no real evidence of bullying from Ahunt, just attempts to back up his arguments with policy. Your accusation that his edits were vandalism definitely does constitute a personal attack, as does the accusation of disruptive editing, above. I see no conceivable reason to ban Ahunt from editing the article; your own apparent conflict of interest suggests that if anyone should be cautioned over editing the page, it might well be you. Yunshui 雲水 10:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Aikido

Thanks for that fix - I was sitting there trying to figure out what to do. Personally even the last remaining paragraph is problematic as a copy/paste from the Aikikai article where it at least has more relevance. It is a bit too school specific for the Aikido article - but lets see.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:53, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I did consider removing the whole thing (and have no objections if you want to go ahead and do so) - I'm not entirely sure it belongs on the Aikikai page either. The funny thing is, given the sources used and the sentiments expressed, I may have actually met or even trained with the person who posted it (they appear to be from the same training modality as me, and one of the essays they were citing was written by a friend of mine). I don't know who it is, but it's not inconceivable that we've shared a mat at some point. It's a small world, aikido... Yunshui 雲水 12:01, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I will leave it for a bit - not so interested in preserving the integrity of the Aikikai page or more to the point I feel I shouldn't be interfering there. The text did feel very familiar to me so I see what you mean. I think one of the strengths of the Aikido article is its style neutrality which I will fight to preserve.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Amen to that. The irony of how difficult it is to maintain neutrality on a page about "the art of harmony" is not lost on me. Yunshui 雲水 12:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
And again. sigh.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:50, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I've dropped him a message - seems to be a static IP, so hopefully he'll see it. Yunshui 雲水 11:09, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Kayu ura

On 26 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kayu ura, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Shinto, rice gruel divination is used for predicting the harvest? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kayu ura. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Kayu ura), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion Of Smartstorey Page

Requesting you to undo the deletion of our page Smartstorey. I need some time to edit and update that page. I will not put any advertising related information there. Please let me know soon and what i shouldnt put on Smartstorey wikipedia page. I just wanted to put Company info and it is not for Advertising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punith331994 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

It certainly read as though it was intended for advertising. I won't contest you recreating the page, but be aware that a) the text you had used previously was not in any way suitable and b) the company must meet the inclusion requirements at WP:CORP in order for an article about it to exist. You should also make sure to read WP:COI and WP:PAID if you work for or are otherwise employed by Smartstorey. Yunshui 雲水 12:41, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2017).

Administrator changes

Amortias • Deckiller • BU Rob13
Ronnotel • Islander • Chamal N • Isomorphic • Keeper76 • Lord Voldemort • Shereth • Bdesham • Pjacobi

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A recent query shows that only 16% of administrators on the English Wikipedia have enabled two-factor authentication. If you haven't already enabled it please consider doing so.
  • Cookie blocks should be deployed to the English Wikipedia soon. This will extend the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user after they switch accounts under a new IP.
  • A bot will now automatically place a protection template on protected pages when admins forget to do so.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:14, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia page delete

Hi Yunshui, you recently deleted my sandbox article. I was creating the page in Sandbox so I could experiment for a recent art work for my course and for it to eventually exist online. I understand the wikipedia article I created has been deleted but I thought Sandbox was a place in which we are encouraged to experiment so why was my sandbox article taken down? Kind regards Hayley Darbyshire (talk) 15:59, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Your Wikipedia userspace - including any sandbox pages - exists to allow you to work on article drafts, test editing processes, create templates and do other work relating to building the encyclopedia. It is not a free webhosting space, and cannot be used to host material unrelated to Wikipedia. If you want to create pages like this, I would suggest you consider blogging or hosting services such as WordPress or Blogger. If your only purpose on Wikipedia is to try and create/publish material for your course, then I am afraid you are on the wrong website entirely. Yunshui 雲水 16:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I understand this, however visually, the format of Sandbox works for me and the ideas my practice is based around. Can I continue to use Sandbox with the reassurance now that it will not be tried to be made into a wikipedia page online ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayley Darbyshire (talk • contribs) 16:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Basically, no. Your Wikipedia account, including all of its subpages, exists for the purpose of allowing you to improve Wikipedia. If you want a page for your own personal use, you need to look elsewhere. There are a number of personal wikis you can use, or you can download the MediaWiki software uses by Wikipedia here for your own use (it's free), but you cannot use Wikipedia for personal projects, even outside article space.
If you would like a copy of the deleted content, I would be happy to provide you with one by email; you can set up an email address for your account at the bottom of this page. This will not be made visible anywhere on Wikipedia. Once you have done so, please ask here and I will email you a copy of the deleted page. Yunshui 雲水 16:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Regarding smartstorey Page deletion

Please undo our page deletion i will change the contents fully — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punith331994 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Please see my response to your previous message, above. Yunshui 雲水 09:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Some graffitii needs removing

Here] and here- you'll note the occasional fruity edit-summary (apologies for wasting your time if you don't think they need removing btw). But on a side note, would pages like this, with 'no meaningful history' other than a brief edit war over a template qualify for speedy tagging? Thanks for your help. — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 15:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

User talkpages ought not to be deleted except in fairly exceptional circumstances... there's no harm in leaving the history intact, and it could be useful at a later date (for assessing future blocks of the IP addresses, for example). Nothing there that needs redaction either, as far as I can see (I for one have been called far worse things than "silly editer" here!). Yunshui 雲水 15:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Whoops - missed a couple of those in the general flood of reverts. Yeah, perhaps some redaction is required... Yunshui 雲水 15:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Right- I was just wondering if the fact that IPs rotate, and some 'innocent' user gets that history! But thanks for the info. Glad you spotted the fruitinesses- should've provided diffs I think. Cheers, — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 15:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
They're both dynamic, so the likelihood is that the same person will never use them again, but I'm still averse to deleting user talkpage histories, even for dynamic IPs. However, you aren't wrong, and YMMV - if you ask another admin they may give a different answer (variety being the spice of life, and all that). Yunshui 雲水 15:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Well, my feet are killing me, so no admin shopping neccesary. Thanks for all that- spice-mopping included! — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 15:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I see you just did something there- same anon- TPA no longer required methinks? Cheers, — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 20:15, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Voting for Steve Lacy (musician) Article

Hello Yunshui! I want to thank you once more for responding to my messages on my talk page. I also wanted to let you know that the article I have created is being considered for deletion. I have added more reliable sources to the article and have deleted the non-reliable ones since being notified that I did not properly provide sources for my article initially. Please vote here (if you chose to): Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Lacy (musician).

-Bmegrl9113 (talk) 06:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
I see it's been already moved to a draft for you (that would, incidentally, have been my recommendation as well). You can work on it there - bear in mind that your primary goal should be the addition of suitable sources that show he is notable outside of The Internet. If you haven't seen them already, the following pages will be useful to you:
I'll be honest: a quick online search suggests that right now, Steve Lacy doesn't meet the requirements for a solo article - you might find that the content you've written would be better incorporated into the existing article about his band. However, musician's aren't my speciality, and you may have access to offline sources (or more time to search), so it could be worth giving it a go. If you need any help with Wikipedia's arcane syntax and policies, feel free to drop me a line here. Good luck! Yunshui 雲水 11:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay Yunshui, thank you. I will definitely look out for more sources.

-Bmegrl9113 (talk) 02:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

One up on ol' ClueBot NG

It's no wonder that editor had mistaken me as a bot.[2]. Even ClueBot NG is too slow! Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 13:28, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Another IP trudging wearily towards the blockpit... ah well. I suggest you get yourself signed up to igloo, then you really can pretend to be a bot. Yunshui 雲水 13:36, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
It's Eskimo-time! Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 13:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Another sock?

here? Doug Weller talk 20:48, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Yep. Probably needs a rangeblock, but I'm off to bed now... Yunshui 雲水 23:36, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

IP editors involved with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Frangaspar

Hey Yunshui. I hate to bother you, but do you think that there is anyway we can do a second check into the IPs involved? I have a strong suspicion that they are indeed involved with the blocked accounts. The fact that their only edits are towards the AfD page for Frany Dejota, and that they are all "verify" votes, whatever the heck that means, screams meatpuppets galore. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 11:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Whilst there are a lot of IPs involved, across a mobile range that's (probably) too big to safely block in its entirety, I'm fairly sure these are all coming from the same individual, based on the useragent data I've seen. I think it will probably all die down once the AFD is concluded and the article is deleted (as will inevitably happen in the next couple of days). No reviewing admin is going to be convinced that the "verify" voters are anything other than sockpuppets. Yunshui 雲水 11:48, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Should I just leave their comments on the AfD page, or strike them out? Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 11:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Strike 'em. It's legitimate to leave the original comment by Frangaspar , but anything else with a "verify" rationale (or that smacks of sockpuppetry based on the IP) is fair game for <s> tags. On an unrelated note, your recent comments further up this page could very easily be construed as a personal attack; while you're using the strikeout markup you may want to apply it there too... Yunshui 雲水 12:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Misconstrued, maybe. I was commenting on their editing, not their character. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 12:05, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
You don't have to be an asshole about it, and use it to try and make some point. Being a passive aggressive dick... is pretty personal. You may also want to note the timestamps on those messages; they were sent before you responded on your own talkpage and the matter appeared to be - at least until just now - closed. I've got no dog in this fight with regards to which of you is "right", but I would quite like to see all parties concerned back down and move on; nobody benefits from dragging such disagreements out. Yunshui 雲水 12:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Er, you need to tell that to the other party. Whom, as I pointed out, can't seem to understand that they are both unable to bury the hatchet, as well understand that they themselves are assuming bad faith by accusing me of "editing, and changing someone else's AIV query - including the time-stamp". What is the point in continuing to bring this up to an administrator after being told by said administrator to bury the hatchet? As I said before, their comment above is extremely condescending, passive-aggressive, and unneeded. Honestly, it reads as "Oh I've been an editor for so long, I would never do things such as xyz, like an less experienced editor who obviously has no right to question me because of that fact that I've been editing for so long." Again, all of my comments are directed at their behavior while editing, not their character personally. Sorry if they misconstrue that, but that is not my intention whatsoever. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 12:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

hatchet buried but

I'm a volunteer. We're all volunteers and I've been around WP for almost seven years and I get that people have different personalities and editing styles. WP takes all comers and that's what makes it great. But I would never do what BV just did: 1)denigrate a fellow editor in a edit summary for going against my personal editing-style. (I might post something on their talkpage, asking them why they did something, but I really do try to not use edit summaries in a personal fashion especially when the editor I am reverting is not a newbie) 2)accuse them of being a bad editor by going against my personal editing-style and, then, the coup-de-grace to BV's behavior 3) edit and change someone else's AIV query - including the time-stamp. I guess it's just that I don't respond kindly to being told I didn't bother to do something WP-wise, that I step on the toes of others and that I cut corners. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm just going to go back and work on GA Reviews. It's been a long day all around. Shearonink (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Looks like at least some of the issues have been worked out at Boomer Vial's talkpage, good on you both. Cheeky of me to bring this up, but if you're interested in doing GA reviews I've got Takeminakata waiting for input... Yunshui 雲水 09:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Shearonink Ok, now you're pissing me off. First of all, you did just assume bad faith. Multiple times in fact, and you just did it again in this most recent immature response again accusing me of "editing, and changing someone else's AIV query - including the time-stamp.", after I've already explained a few times that I entirely replace your report altogether, and replaced it with my own. Why do you keep bringing this up anyways? It's as if you expect some sort of retribution for my doing this in retaliation for saying you are stepping on peoples toes. Secondly, what exactly about my behavior justified your insulting my intelligence by quoting my message before I had a chance to spell check? Yeah, I wrote it in a rush, and didn't spell check. It happens when you are trying to quickly get to editor. You don't have to be an asshole about it, and use it to try and make some point. Being a passive aggressive dick after it was established we should bury the hatchet shows that you could care less too. The only thing you care about is retribution for being insulted. Your holier-than-thou, "I did nothing wrong" tone just tops it. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 11:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
@Boomer Vial: Dude, sorry about all of this, did you notice how early on that I had posted the OP up there? That's from two days ago, very early on in the chain of events. Perhaps I should have removed it from view but I tend to leave most things up around WP to preserve the timeline. Look, I think missteps were perhaps made on both our parts. I am sorry that I offended you with my response above. I can tell you care very much about WP and are a conscientious editor so please, let's move on and get back to editing and vandal-fighting. Shearonink (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Shearonink We both made mistakes, and I apologize about having such a tone with you. Thank you for apologizing. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 20:55, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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