Talk:Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign/Archive 1

Archive 1

Remove wiki page

Although President Biden has endorsed Kamala Harris for the Democratic nomination, that doesn't mean she's officially running. I request that this Wiki page be deleted until an official announcement from the Vice President. Thelittlepoliticalboy (talk) 18:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

There is about a 0% chance she wont run after her president endorsed her Lukt64 (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

This is currently a draft page so it's not technically official yet. DogsRNice (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) WeatherWriter has moved it to the Draft space for now, so we won't be deleting this page for the moment. Currently there is a discussion at Talk:Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign about the whole situation. --Super Goku V (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@JD John M. Turner: Did something change? I don't see a formal announcement at the moment. --Super Goku V (talk) 19:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

 Resolved Just for a summary: BD2412 started a draft of the article, a redirect was made to another article, BD2412 published the draft when Biden withdrew and endorsed Harris, this discussion was started, WeatherWriter send it back to the draft to wait for an official announcement, then this got moved back to mainspace too early, an AfD was started, Harris officially announces her campaign, and the AfD was withdrawn. Hopefully this satisfies everyone. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

It should never have been moved back to draft once published. We need not stand on formalism to report the obvious. There is no way Biden would have endorsed Harris if there was any chance she was not running. BD2412 T 20:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I would say that is a fair assessment, but at the same time it seems that the way things worked out avoided a lengthy AfD for the two to three hours between statements from Biden and Harris. --Super Goku V (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Nah, it 100% should have been moved to draftspace. Until the actual campaign announcement, the whole article was a ton of SYNTH and crystal violations. The title alone was technically also a violation of being fake and not true. I stand by the draft-space move, which is something several others agreed with. Honestly, BD2412, you should have been more careful about making the article in mainspace to begin with, given the massive SYNTH violation it was at the time of creation. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

What SYNTH violation? Everything in the article was cited, and the only deficiency asserted is the absence of a formal announcement by the candidate. It would have been trivially easy at the time, however, to find reliable sources reporting that Biden's endorsement indicated that Harris was running. The only reason we didn't end up needing to include these was that her announcement came so quickly on the heels of the AfD. BD2412 T 02:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Citation for fourth president from California

Trying to prevent WP:EW since this has been changed several times in the past few hours. Do we really need a citation for the note that she could be the "fourth president whose home state is California" (at the end of the lead)? The page List of presidents of the United States by home state does not list any citations, so I don't think one is necessary here. "; DROP TABLE Pages; (talk) 05:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

That list isn't a good example given it seems to be supported by just four sources. Outside that, KTVU might be a good enough source for this: "While California may be lacking in the quantity of presidential frontrunners, the Golden State has had some heavy hitters who would go on to be elected president. Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 and in 1984. Richard Nixon won in 1968 and 1972. And going further back, Herbert Hoover won the election in 1928." --Super Goku V (talk) 06:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2024

Change “When Biden and Harris won the general election, she became the first female vice president of the United States.” to “After Biden and Harris won the general election, she became the first female vice president of the United States upon her inauguration on January 20, 2021.”

As written, the sentence can imply that winning the general election is when the offices of president and vice president transfer to the new office holders. HidyHoTim (talk) 07:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 07:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Is this an endorsement page only?

So many editors add names on the endorsement list however what about the platform? Policies? Anything? Page is ripe for an afd. Bohbye (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Bohbye: "ripe for an afd"? That would obviously not go well for the editor nominating the article, although as things develop we may need a separate "endorsements" article, as we have for many such candidacies. BD2412 T 23:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks like another editor moved out all the endorsements which was a good idea. Bohbye (talk) 00:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Support fork. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

We already had one AfD today, don't need a second so soon hopefully.

In any case, this Campaign just started today in an unusual situation. We should wait for reliable sources to use for her policies. As far as I know, there isn't an official website outside of the Biden-Harris campaign. --Super Goku V (talk) 00:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Is there any reason to expect that the policies of the "Harris" campaign would be at all different from those of the "Biden/Harris" campaign? BD2412 T 02:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Politico: How Kamala Harris’ platform could differ from Joe Biden’s with examples in abortion rights, artificial intelligence, climate change, and student debt relief, among others. Leans CRYSTAL with the "how their views could differ" speculation, but does give examples where they have differed such as with the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Obviously there's reason to expect it, although very little RSes yet. Obama/Biden had different policies to Biden/Harris, and it would be wild to expect Harris/??? to not have different policies too. Heck, Biden/Harris 2020 had different policies to Biden/Harris 2024. 185.62.159.164 (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Graph

Could we get a color key added to the polling graph? Ktkvtsh (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Related: new WikiProject

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Kamala Harris

--Another Believer _(Talk) 15:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Comma Issues

Under the "Platform" section, in the subsection "Israel–Hamas war," there is a comma error (second sentence). Said sentence has an incorrect comma before the coordinating conjunction "but." Coordinating conjunctions should have commas when connecting two independent clauses; however, this comma connects an independent and dependent clause. We should remove the comma.

Attached is the sentence: "She supported Israel's offensive against Hamas in the aftermath of its attack on Israel, but criticized it throughout the war because of the Gaza humanitarian crisis."

Additionally, this comma error also occurred underneath the "Polling" section.

Attached is the sentence: "In election polls, Harris has been shown to perform slightly better than Biden in the general election, but still trails Trump as of July 21, 2024." WafflesBaconAndPuppies (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

RFPP has been requested

Hi,

Just as a heads up, Requests for Page Protection has been requested for this article, here: [1]

Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 05:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Remove the protections please. It is unnecsessary and unhelpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.18.11.9 (talk) 10:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

It was necessary due to the high levels of vandalism. David O. Johnson (talk) 14:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

If you want to, you can either suggest an edit here with the template or create an account and edit when you have the required permissions. --Super Goku V (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Typo

In the Background section, first sentence : "In October 2023, Harris refused to speculate on what would happen if the likely Democratic nominee for the 2024 presidential election, current President Joe Biden, were to drop out out of the race."

There is a double "out" at the end.

-- SwissTHX11384EB (talk) 23:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

It's fixed. Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding website link to infobox

I would like to add Kamala's 2024 website link to the infobox. It is being promoted as KamalaHarris.com. It currently redirects to an ActBlue fundraiser for Harris but it will likely become its own site soon. If you need a source to confirm that this is her website, below is a linked official Facebook post by Joe Biden promoting KamalaHarris.com.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=529889252948907&set=a.108973685040468

Thanks. ARandomShyGuy (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC) ARandomShyGuy (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done The site has already been added. Jamedeus (talk) 03:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2024 (2)

So far on her Twitter/X Account, She has this listed as her campaign website. https://secure.actblue.com/donate/web-bfp-july21-2024 Dquack wolf 10:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This is a PAC fundraising page, the official site launched shortly after the request was opened and has already been added to the page. Jamedeus (talk) 03:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2024 (3)

Add Jen O’Malley Dillon to important people for this campaign.

References

--Timeshifter (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

The 2 Forbes authors are both subject matter experts (WP:FORBESCON) according to their Forbes bios and article lists. And both Harris and Walz have long supported full cannabis legalization according to the articles. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Tim Walz theme song and David Plouffe

Tim Walz’s walkout song has changed to “Small Town” by John Mellencamp, instead of “Born to Run” by Bruce Springsteen - https://x.com/tim_walz/status/1822481653467332881?s=46&t=PkCzkHaqGZT0VzU974f-4g

David Plouffe should be added to the list of Key People as a Senior Advisor - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/02/plouffe-joins-harris-campaign-as-senior-adviser-00172478 Thenoheart (talk) 20:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added Plouffe as senior advisor in the infobox, though the Tim Walz info needs a better source. David O. Johnson (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Better sources:

- https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/tim-walz-visits-southern-california-for-first-time-as-kamala-harris-running-mate/3487559/

- https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-08-13/2024-election-tim-walz-afscme-convention

- https://azmirror.com/2024/08/09/harris-and-walz-draw-huge-crowd-in-arizona-promise-action-on-immigration-abortion/ 142.189.18.32 (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

It's updated. Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Minimum wage

I started a minimum wage section. Here is what I started with:

Harris supports raising the federal minimum wage.

References

--Timeshifter (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Unless this section is expanded from one sentence, I do not think that minimum wage warrants its own section distinct from the economy section. PrinceTortoise (talk) 07:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I added some more info:

Harris supports raising the federal minimum wage. Harris has not given a number for a federal minimum wage she supports, though she has praised states that have raised the rate to at least $15 per hour.

References

--Timeshifter (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for adding some more info. The section seems long enough now to be its own thing. PrinceTortoise (talk) 16:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 August 2024

Change:

"The campaign's communications strategy is overseen by Brian Fallon and Kirsten Allen, who is focused on Harris's public image."

To:

"The campaign's communications strategy is overseen by Brian Fallon, Ian Sams, Kristen Orthman, and Kirsten Allen, who is focused on Harris's public image."

Citation is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/16/ian-sams-leaving-white-house-expected-join-harris-campaign/ Baseballman1876 (talk) 09:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've added all of the names, except for Kristen Orthman, who I can't find in your linked article. Do you have a different source supporting their participation in the campaign? (mention: Baseballman1876) — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 12:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I did a quick search and found that she is at least part of the campaign. NBC says she is in "a planning role that will coordinate across several departments" and Politico says she is "to serve as senior adviser for strategic planning." --Super Goku V (talk) 04:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Yep, those are the two articles I saw as well. She is an expert in press/communications so it’s pretty likely that’s what she will be doing with “strategic planning.” Baseballman1876 (talk) 03:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

She is an expert in press/communications so it’s pretty likely that’s what she will be doing... But do we have a confirmation from a source that it is what she is doing? Otherwise, we can only verify that she is with the campaign. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Endorsements

I suggest adding:

Many current and former Republicans have endorsed the Harris/Walz ticket, including current and former elected politicians and members of the first Trump administration. Most explain their support for Harris based on their belief that Harris and Walz can be trusted both to act in the interest of the country, rather than to further their own narrow self-interests, as well as to protect democracy at home and abroad. In contrast, these Republicans generally explain their opposition in terms of his chaotic temperament, overwhelming focus on himself, abandonment of conservative and democratic values, lack of respect for members of the military, repeated praise for leaders of authoritarian governments and denigration of leaders of democracies (including longtime NATO allies), as well as their concerns about Donald Trump's authoritarian tendencies and his repeated emphasis on personal loyalty to him, rather than to the country and its constitution. At the Democratic National Convention, former Republican Congressman, Adam Kinzinger explained that under Donald Trump "The Republican Party is no longer conservative. It has switched its allegiance. From the principles that gave it purpose, to a man whose only purpose is himself."

References: https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-republicans-endorsing-kamala-harris-kinzinger-grisham-duncan-1939178 https://time.com/7014257/adam-kinzinger-2024-dnc-speech-full-transcript/ Wilson9182 (talk) 18:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)