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Overly Bias

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It’s funny to see so much hate for Trump while I read Kamala’s Wikipedia “file” only having galore and never mentioning of her past of living in Canada, where there is picture evidence of her being there. Crazy and distrustful when I used to use this website to help my essays. Never again, hire better people 2600:6C4E:AF0:1A70:79D7:440C:4BF1:D5A8 (talk) 11:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Our article on Kamala Harris does, in fact, mention her living in Canada. In 1976, she accepted a research position at the McGill University School of Medicine, and moved with her daughters to Montreal, Quebec.

We can't "hire" better people because everyone here is a volunteer.

And why is living in Canada, a bad thing, I wonder? Whatever. It's mentioned at Harris' article. Cremastra (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Please read Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 September 2024

Please change "On January 6, 2021, he urged his supporters to march to the U.S. Capitol, which many of them attacked." to "On January 6,2021, in his speech he said "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Which lead to the attack on the Capitol. Many consider this statement to have incited an insurrection. While Trump and his supporters do not think that he was responsible for the attack on the Capitol." Reese3521 (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Trump didn't urge his supporters to march to the Capitol. He said he knew they would and wanted them to be peaceful and patriotic. An argument can be made as to Trump having a feeling that his supporters were gonna do that but on the other side you can say that by making that statement he was hoping for his supporters to attack the Capitol. The way it's written now isn't factual Reese3521 (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

References

I disagree. That's one sentence from a long speech. The short text in our lead is based on Donald_Trump#January_6_Capitol_attack, and that section is based on several reliable sources, among them this one (archived version you can read without a subscription) with "some notable excerpts from Mr. Trump’s remarks, with analysis". Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 14:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

fair enough, should've doven further into the page. Is it possible to at least add the quote I cited to the Donald_Trump#January_6_Capitol_attack

People defending trump cite that quote a lot making it pretty relevant. If you don't think that'll work that's OK I just figured the quote is relevant enough to be cited. 2600:1009:B128:C111:8071:A337:5578:940D (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

This is a misuse of the edit request facility; please don't do it again. Second sentence at WP:EDITREQ: "Requests should be accompanied by a clear and specific description of the requested change, and consensus should be obtained before requesting changes that are likely to be controversial." It doesn't say edit requests are an acceptable way to seek consensus, and no reading of the guidance could be taken to imply that. Use things as they are designed and meant to be used.

(If there is to be any hope of improvement, I think editors need to stop legitimizing misuse by responding to the substance, as was done above. Edit request is NOT an alternative way to open a discussion; rather, edit requests are for things that don't need discussion.)

(I've long believed that edit requests have little utility or value at articles like this one. 1. Very little is uncontroversial and doesn't need discussion. 2. There are always extended-confirmed editors around, so there is no need to add the talk page to a maintenance category (Category:Wikipedia extended-confirmed-protected edit requests) to summon such an editor. At such articles, cost exceeds benefit. At WP:VPI, I recently proposed the ability to turn off the edit request facility at individual articles. I got no support, so we're stuck with the status quo.) ―Mandruss ☎ 03:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Mea culpa, I'll ignore them from now on. I didn't know about the EDITREQ information page, and I'm pretty sure Reese didn't either. Space4Time3Continuum2x🖖 11:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Sufficient information is presented in the edit request path, all one needs is to read at least some of it. To see this, you can log out and begin the edit request path. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

The lead needs to be updated

Need to add author. His new book "Save America" came out recently.

The lead "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021." should be updated with author.

204.197.177.42 (talk) 00:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

There are a bunch of books labeled "by Trump"; but written by ghost writers. This one is a picture book that is more a campaign ad. See: [1] O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Was that link supposed to go to a source? Looks like just a google search saying Trump wrote the thing. PackMecEng (talk) 00:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, fixed. Although occurs to me it is behind the NYTimes paywall. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, oof yeah a $500 coffee table book. Maybe better at Bibliography of Donald Trump. PackMecEng (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Why I’m not donating to help you.

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The fact that you allow people with various agendas to alter articles about people, places and incidents untruthfully, is why I won’t donate to your organization. if you’re gonna stand for something. Grow some balls and do it. At least you’ll be respected for your honesty 170.64.46.165 (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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Page has a clear left-leaning bias.

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Not constructive, and WP:NOTFORUM

"Reacted slowly to the Pandemic" Read this intro and ask yourself whether this description, and the selective facts chosen, are objective and neutral: Trump received a Bachelor of Science degree in economics from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968. His father made him president of the family real estate business in 1971. Trump renamed it the Trump Organization and reoriented the company toward building and renovating skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, and golf courses. After a series of business failures in the late 1990s, he launched side ventures, mostly licensing the Trump name. From 2004 to 2015, he co-produced and hosted the reality television series The Apprentice. He and his businesses have been plaintiffs or defendants in more than 4,000 legal actions, including six business bankruptcies. Trump won the 2016 presidential election as the Republican Party nominee against Democratic Party candidate Hillary Clinton while losing the popular vote.[a] The Mueller special counsel investigation determined that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to favor Trump. During the campaign, his political positions were described as populist, protectionist, and nationalist. His election and policies sparked numerous protests. He was the only U.S. president without prior military or government experience. Trump promoted conspiracy theories and made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged, racist, and misogynistic. As president, Trump ordered a travel ban on citizens from several Muslim-majority countries, diverted military funding toward building a wall on the U.S.–Mexico border, and implemented a family separation policy. He rolled back more than 100 environmental policies and regulations. He signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which cut taxes and eliminated the individual health insurance mandate penalty of the Affordable Care Act. He appointed Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Supreme Court. He reacted slowly to the COVID-19 pandemic, ignored or contradicted many recommendations from health officials, used political pressure to interfere with testing efforts, and spread misinformation about unproven treatments. Trump initiated a trade war with China and withdrew the U.S. from the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, the Paris Agreement on climate change, and the Iran nuclear deal. He met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un three times but made no progress on denuclearization. Trump is the only U.S. president to have been impeached twice, in 2019 for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress after he pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden, and in 2021 for incitement of insurrection. The Senate acquitted him in both cases. Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Biden but refused to concede. He falsely claimed widespread electoral fraud and attempted to overturn the results. On January 6, 2021, he urged his supporters to march to the U.S. Capitol, which many of them attacked. Trump supported and took credit for the repeal of Roe v. Wade. Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freespeech2024 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC) Copying the article into the talk page without any context or specific policy points is just preaching to the choir and doesn't have the impact you seem to think it does. DN (talk) 03:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2024

The following sub-headings under Political Career->Presidential Campaigns(2000-2016) must be formatted in bold: "Campaign rhetoric and political positions" "Financial disclosures" "Election to the presidency" RockRida317 (talk) 12:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Why? Slatersteven (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

They receive the proper bolding their heading levels provide. Why should they receive more bolding? Is there some part of our guideline at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings or Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Boldface that would require this? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 12:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hail fellow well met

Donald Trump "hail and hearty and well met" "Pennsylvania" rally

Hail fellow well met

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-rally-pennsylvania-shakespeare-crowd-sizes-churchill-b2617949.html

https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-phrase-hale-and-hearty-appear-in-shakespeares-works/1007699

69.181.17.113 (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

So? Slatersteven (talk) 12:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)