Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 29

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Project coordinators

As its lead coord, I took care of WikiProject Schools for many years until I retired from Wikipedia in February 2020. ‎Surprisingly (or perhaps not so surprising), with tens of thousands of school articles, WikiProject Schools is one of Wikipedia's most important projects. School articles are frequent targets for vandalism, and are often little more than spam for 'for-profit' institutions, cram schools, and scam colleges.

Many Wkipedians are not getting any younger and sometimes, unfortunately, there comes a moment when we must call it a day. Once at a strength of five, the team of coords is now down to Admin Tedder and Steven (Editor) neither of whom has been able to be very active on Wikipedia for a long while.

This project does need active coordinators to update its main pages as changes to sources and education policies occur, and above all, to promptly help and encourage users who post to its talk page here, and its Help Page, and to watch for inappropriate, but sadly frequent, school AfD listings.

If you have sufficient topic knowledge and are up to speed on Wikipedia policies and could thoroughly read the main project page page - perhaps you are even an admin - and if you could perhaps (no obligation) also help with Recent Changes, NPR, and AfC, the project would love to hear from you here. Please give it some thought. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, and for the work you and the rest of the team have done on the project. Hmm, I do tend to focus on schools articles but I'm not sure I have the skills to co-ordinate. I can certainly step up re AfD for schools, and keep an eye on the project Talk page. I already watch Recent Changes where schools are concerned. I do not have NPR rights but will apply now. You mention reading the project page thoroughly - what is the work needed there? Edited to add: I am in the UK and am less-familiar with reliable sources on US schools specifically, so might need some help to get up to speed there. Tacyarg (talk) 08:11, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Tacyarg, read the project main page which lists all the tasks, and work through the infobox to find the tools, resources, and sources. It's all there somewhere. With me and Clem gone the UK really needs some help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung, I'm still here, just been very busy lately in real life, so my edits have been a lot less than normal at the moment, but should be back to normal very soon. Has Clem left the schools project? (edit: I see what's happened now, oh dear) Steven (Editor) (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey folks. I've been "passively active" here. I watch a group of school pages and it tends to expand when I sniff out places, but mostly it's limited to vandalism. I don't fully understand where "school notability" stands as it's changed from when I created articles that were basically "if it's a secondary school that provably exists, it's notable". Anyway, I can keep an eye on AFDs, for sure. tedder (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I suggest a review of the current WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. In February of 2017 an RFC closed that significantly changed (in theory) how secondary schools were handled at AFD. At that time editors at AFD would sometimes refuse to accept the changes - repeating that 'we always keep high school articles.' Gab4gab (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the message. I have not been active on Wikipedia these days. But I agree there are a lot of issues with the articles on schools. If you give me some specific areas of work, then I'll try my best. --Arunbandana (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Arunbandana all tasks are listed on the project mainpage. Just choose what you want to do and go ahead. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Response

The inviation to nearly 400 of the most recently subscribers to this project 10 days ago was obviously a flop. I'm not here to coordinate this project. I've answered a recent post on its help page, and now I'm out of here again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC on including an image of a child wearing the Welsh Not

Hi all. There's an RfC here on including a CG image to illustrate the Welsh Not and how the device was worn by a child. Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Cell Danwydd (talk) 15:43, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Hohhot No.2 Middle School

Watch this article please. It was already sneakily changed back to a non notable article from a redirect. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Any I, a PhD from a top US university, sneaky? [lol] Editor Kudpung, please be fair and use evidence-based arguments. Please answer my questions and give a real debate Liusine (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

typo - "Am I" Liusine (talk) 05:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Abbey College, Malvern

COI/UPE: Tedder, Steven (Editor), Coordinators please keep this article on your watchlists. It's only short but for years has constantly been modified by its staff. One was globally blocked by the WMF a couple of years ago. It might also be an idea to have as many prominent schools as possible on your watchlists. Independent schools are typically the targets of promotional edits by the staff and vandalism by the children. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll watch it. One I've seen that gets more promotional edits than vandalism, but still tends to be unreasonably busy, is Chevening Scholarship. More eyes are helpful! tedder (talk) 22:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Added to my watchlist, thanks Steven (Editor) (talk) 23:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox school

I've started a discussion regarding this template at Template_talk:Infobox_school#Significant_cleanup_of_this_template_needed?. After almost a week, there's been no response. Your input is welcome. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:52, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gwangju Inhwa School#Requested move 2 November 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gwangju Inhwa School#Requested move 2 November 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:37, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

What to do about Educational institution?

This page is woefully underdeveloped, and that's basically because everything about it is covered better elsewhere. 99% of the time, when someone says "educational institution", they're referring to a school, i.e. an educational institution that has teachers and students. For the remainder, e.g. an institution that runs an education website, the concept is probably better covered at Education. We have a bunch of options for what to do with the page (keep in mind that these will affect the 1300 incoming links to it):

Redirect it to School (and maybe add some sort of hatnote at School for non-school educational institutions?)
Redirect it to Education (covers scope better, but probably not the best for incoming links)
Find some other page to redirect it to
Turn it into a disambiguation page
Delete it (readers searching for it will choose what they're looking for from the search results)
Keep the page as it is, mostly duplicating School (has WP:CONTENTFORK concerns)
Keep the page, clear most of it out, add a hatnote that it's about only about non-school educational institutions, and try to develop it from there

Which path should we take? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The first and fourth options are the only ones that appeal to me. The first would certainly be the easiest and quickest. ElKevbo (talk) 05:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Southside High School (Louisiana) article massively changed

I have recently made major changes to Southside High School (Louisiana). Please go to the relevant article if there are any objections to these recent changes. Jobie James (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft

Draft:BKTPP Prabir Sengupta Vidyalaya- this is my first draft. The draft is entirely single-handed, so it may contain flaws and errors. If any helpful editors can correct those, please do so.--Michri michri (talk) 09:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Michri michri (talk) 09:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Excessive detail?

Please observe Iroquois Central School District. Am I wrong in thinking that middle and primary school sections are excessive detail? Do we really need that much information on every school in the district to be encyclopedic? Ignore, for the moment, that none of this is cited. Just in general; is this too much? --Hammersoft (talk) 17:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I certainly think listing "selected former principals" is excessive, and serves no encyclopedic purpose. - Donald Albury 20:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I think having a list of former principals is ok per WP:WPSCH/AG#OS, but only for high schools. We don't need this level of detail on middle/elementary schools. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:08, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, a "selected" list isn't needed, they should only be listed in there was some notable events under their leadership. History should be more than list of administrators. RickH86 (talk) 14:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Maybe OK in a high school's article (although I have never noticed one), but why in an article about a district? - Donald Albury 23:29, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking along the same lines. I don't see why it's in the district article. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Due to the change in the notability requirement for schools (no longer exempt from WP notability standards, I expect many high schools will be covered under the article for the district unless an article exists for the school. RickH86 (talk) 14:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Clarification of my comment above - many rural high schools in the US mainly have coverage in local newspapers, and I've had articles rejected on this basis, so many of the high schools in Iowa are covered in the page on the district.RickH86 (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to ping @D-Day: to this conversation as they have been doing a lot of this. They haven't edited in about a month, but they need to be aware of the conversation for whenever they do return. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. At most a sourced list in the individual school's article. No lower level staff (already removed from Iroquois Central School District), and not in the district page. One issue with a list of former principals is that it can be very difficult to source such a list. Here's another article with the same problem Cheektowaga-Sloan Union Free School District. Attempts to clean it up have been made several times but it keeps coming back. Meters (talk) 02:17, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

A few more cases: Lackawanna City School District, Hamburg Central School District, Byron–Bergen Central School District, Grand Island Central School District Meters (talk) 02:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

and Pleasant Valley School District (Pennsylvania) RickH86 (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Tiftarea Academy

Could other editors review the discussion at Tiftarea Academy#Edit warring? — BillHPike (talk, contribs)

I think the talk page covers the subject well. There needs to be more information added to the article, and then the founding as a segregation academy would not be so prominent. But I believe the information presented is factual and should be included.RickH86 (talk) 20:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Waverly-Shell Rock Senior High School

A section on Racism was added to Waverly-Shell Rock Senior High School after an incident at a baseball game in 2020. It was covered nationally, and cited as such. It was been deleted (apparently by people connected to the school) and reverted a few times. I re-titled the section, and re-wrote it, adding more citations and changing the tone this month, but it has been deleted and reverted a few times since that revision. However, is this actually "Current school events which are only of short-term interest", and therefore should not be included? RickH86 (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with leaving that in. Meters (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

List of Missouri high schools by athletic conferences

List of Missouri high schools by athletic conferences - I don't think this list should exist. I didn't verify every state, but I don't think it exists for other states. The conferences are here: List of high school athletic conferences in Missouri, and the list of schools is already here: List of high schools in Missouri. It seems to me the information on this list should be moved to individual conference articles and the list deleted.

Thoughts?

RickH86 (talk) 16:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Meters (talk) 19:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Follow up question on naming. There appears to be three separate conferences in Missouri named Tri-County. On the list referenced above, they are tagged -Central, -North, and -Southeast, but they are each just called Tri-County (and of course span more than 3 counties each). They are not sub-conferences of one large Tri-County Conference. I propose to name them Tri-County Conference (Central Missouri), (Northern Missouri), and (Southeast Missouri) unless there is another naming convention I should be following. RickH86 (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Featured article review for Avery Coonley School

I have nominated Avery Coonley School for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 05:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Infoboxes for multi-school articles

We have {{infobox school}} for articles about an individual school and {{Infobox school district}} for articles about a district or system. I recall occasionally seeing an article about a hybrid of two schools that has a school-box for each. Atomic Energy Central School is the first time I've seen an article about a school system (or comparably large set of schools) that has a school-box for each individual school. Could some WPSCHOOLS regulars comment about whether this should instead flip to a school-district (or simple company/organization) box? DMacks (talk) 16:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Plum Grove Junior High School

"Plum Grove Junior High School" was deleted and redirected following this AfD. An editor appears to have re-created the article, and then placed it inside the district school article at Community Consolidated School District 15. Your input in a content dispute about its removal would be appreciated at Talk:Community Consolidated School District 15#Plum Grove section. Magnolia677 (talk) 08:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Added overly detailed template today; there is no reason there can't be a section on the school, but it has way too much detail for a junior high school RickH86 (talk) 13:14, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Question on American Embassy School notability

Hi! I looked through a PhD thesis (seen here) that describes the workings of the Draft:American Embassy School in detail. I cannot find a specific statement from the author which explains why they chose the school as their case study, but do you think the thesis bolsters the school's notability anyway? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Need review of a source cited in article about Lakeview Academy

Would love a few editors to look at Lakeview Academy's article. I am questioning the verifiability of a source on this article and would appreciate editors looking at it. The first source cited (by Monica Blair) is not a reliable source per Wikipedia guidelines as it is a master’s thesis and is not shown to have “significant scholarly influence.” https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Template:Unreliable_source%3F As the source does not meet Wikipedia's guideline, would it be safe for me to remove the citation from the article? --Smileykaye (talk) 21:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Master's theses are not generally acceptable as reliable sources. The school itself seems to fail the general notability guideline. - Donald Albury 18:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

New article Abingdon School controversies

This seems totally inappropriate, but I'd like other opinions. See also Talk:Abingdon School#2022 controversy section. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 17:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What students do off-campus or on social media, even if criminal, does not seem pertinent to the school's article. And, unless a reliable source presents a credible case that the school condones or facilitates predatory behavior by its staff, I don't see the relevance of those charges to the article. - Donald Albury 18:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Albury: and what do you think of the controversies article? Doug Weller talk 19:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it fails GNG, and is a POV fork. I've got a lot going on on- and off-Wiki right now, or I would consider taking it to AfD. - Donald Albury 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I suggest that Abingdon School controversies should be cut back and merged to Abingdon School. --Bduke (talk) 03:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Just an idea!

I think we all know there are quite a few schools that fail WP:GNG or will just forever be a stub unless something major somehow happens. So why dont we merge such articles into bigger articles that could be expanded. For example, there are schools involved in 'trusts' why couldnt we merge all of the school articles into one article about the trust, therefore being able to un-stubify the articles. For example, there is a trust called Rowan Learning Trust, which overlooks the schools Kirkby High School, Hawkley Hall High School, Three Towers Alternative Provision Academy, Marus Bridge Primary School, The Heys School, Farington Primary School. Luckily not all of these are articles, but the few that are articles sadly are stub articles with not so much media coverage. I understand some people like these articles being around, but maybe they could be merged together into trusts or if they are not in a trust, merging schools into a "Schools in x area" article.

Just an idea, I'd love to see what the community thinks. -- Jade ^(Talk) • they/them 18:08, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

That is the general recommendation given in Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice#Notability. Getting editors to do that is another thing, however. - Donald Albury 19:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm 100% behind merging UK-based academies that are not individually notable into their respective trusts. As for getting editors to do that, I would suggest merging in the respective AFDs. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:27, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with high schools in Worcester County Public Schools

I would like to know if anyone is able/willing to help me out with editing on the high schools in Worcester County Maryland. I am hoping to one day be able to get them to B-Class Quality but would need some help from others. SkyeWolf369 (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Question about article guidelines

In WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI, there is a bullet point which states "Wikipedia articles about schools must be neutral. The purpose is not to bring shame to educational institutions...The fact that such activities may be reported in the press is no business of an encyclopedia." This guideline seems awfully vague to me; specifically, I'd like to know if it should be interpreted to mean that any mention of hazing or abuse at a school should be excluded from its article. The article that brought this question up is Army and Navy Academy. Hatman31 (talk) 19:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It may be worthwhile to rephrase that particular section of the "article advice" to make its purpose clearer. This section cautions editors against incorporating every single news story related to a school, per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BALASP. Whether or not an event such as hazing should be included depends on the significance of the event within the context of the school's history. Was the event covered in multiple reliable sources? Did newspapers outside the school's locale cover the event? Did the event have a lasting impact on the school? Does coverage of the event pass the WP:10YEARTEST? These are the questions I ask myself when deciding whether to include an event in the history section of a school's article. Stedil (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

That all makes sense, thank you for the reply! Hatman31 (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Alumni inclusion criteria

It has been brought to my attention that there is some potential contradiction in Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice. "Inclusion in Lists of alumni included as part of a large article should be determined by WP:SOURCELIST and the same criteria used to determine the inclusion of other material in the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including Wikipedia:Trivia sections)." (that's also WP site-wide WP:LISTBIO) and "Alumni to be included should meet Wikipedia notability criteria," seem to be unclear with respect to embedded lists.

Those two statements are in separate sections at the same level within WP:ALUMNI, the latter is not within the "Separate alumni pages" section and does not state that it only applies to stand-alone lists. So the latter suggests we do want WP:BIO-like notability in order to include in an embedded alumni list, whereas the former sets a lower threshhold for inclusion. From my recollection, WPSCH had taken a fairly strict stance against redlinks in alumni lists (via WP:WTAF). Is that still the practice? Can the WPSCH guideline be made clearer, and practice brought in line (or is some wider discussion needed)? DMacks (talk) 22:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm in favour of making the guideline clearer. This is a perennial problem, and has been raised here or on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Article advice several times. I generally follow a no red links rule. The last discussion I'm aware of was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive_28#Do_alumni_need_a_Wikipedia_article?. user:Donald Albury's comment is pretty much my approach, although I do allow for the possibility of the inclusion of a clearly notable person who does not have an article. If there are sufficient reliable sources to show that the person would clearly qualify for an article if one were written or that the person meets the presumed notability threshold of a specific notability guideline I would accept an entry without an article. However, I don't believe I have ever seen an alumni list entry with sufficient reliable sources to show that the person would clearly qualify for an article if one were written, and there are fewer applicable specific notability guidelines than there used. WP:SOLDIER has been deprecated, and simply participating in the Olympic Games or playing one professional sports game are no longer sufficient for example. WP:POLITICIAN is one of the more likely cases, with the possibility of a recently elected provincial/state or federal with no article as yet. Meters (talk) 01:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

In the days of yore when I was active and the janitor of the schools project, I deleted hundreds if not thousands of alumni entries not supported by a Wikipedia article or sufficient sources. Also, alumni lists are a target for childish vandalism. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Those who are advocating or practicing the removal of people in embedded lists solely because those entries are not independently notable are out of step with the project consensus that "The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic may have its own article." Local consensus cannot override project-wide consensus so anyone who feels strongly about this will need to have that guideline changed.

Since a lack of notability cannot be the reason why material is removed from an embedded list, I strongly recommend focusing on other criteria and lines of thinking. We are not obligated to include all people associated with an institution in that institution's article regardless of their notability. So it may be more worthwhile to focus on ideas such as "Does having this person included in this embedded list provide critical information about this institution?" Similarly, WP:DUE may be a more appropriate and useful policy to focus on. I think that acting along these lines will let you accomplish your goals of keeping these articles from being cluttered with trivial information or vanity entries while remaining in line with larger project policies and practices. ElKevbo (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

That the notability guideline applies to whether a topic qualifies for an article is not the point. You cannot point to that guideline and claim that notability cannot be used as a criterion for inclusion in embedded lists (or in stand alone lists for that matter). You are conveniently ignoring that WP:NLISTITEM explicitly says the opposite. The full quote is "The notability guidelines do not apply to contents of articles or lists (with the exception of lists that restrict inclusion to notable items or people)."

Review of New Article

Hello all, would someone mind reviewing this article before it gets published? I'd like to know how I can improve it. Thanks! PokeRegi5 (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Overly aggressive deleting of school-related articles?

Over a period of 2012-18 an editor initially editing as IP 50.29.183.144 and later as Raindrop73, added literally millions of bytes of information to hundreds of school and school district articles - mostly in Pennsylvania - with references. Raindrop73 stopped editing in 2018. Over a period of March-April 2022, Graham87 (an Administator) went to every one of these articles and deleted roughly 90% of the content and references, leaving as an Edit summary "make proper school district article after extreme and sustained disruptin by IP user who became Raindrop73". An example is North Pocono School District. To me, this feels arbitrary. Should one person - Administrator or not - be empowered to radically shorten articles that were in existance for years, based on their own concept of what a school article should be? [I posed same question at Teahouse and was directed here.] David notMD (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with what the admin did. I have had to do similar removals for some districts in New York that had detailed bell schedules, lists of every admin for every school in the district's history, and more. That's how editors work; if we notice issues with a specific group of articles, we may systematically change them. There are general guidelines for school and school district articles as well as basic Wikipedia guidelines for what articles should cover and not cover (WP:NOT). Most of what was removed was what would easily be considered WP:FANCRUFT or excessive detail. Being "interesting" and even true and verifiable doesn't necessarily mean it's needed or appropriate in an article. The point of these school and school district articles is to give the reader a thorough, but still general, idea of the topic, not every little detail. Excessive details about testing, news events, bell schedules, administrators, and more are not appropriate for many reasons and info existing for many years isn't a valid reason to keep them since that's often just a matter of the article not getting a lot of traffic and the few editors who do see it either don't care or don't have the time to deal with the changes. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Not only that but when you add a lot of unnecessarily fine detail to an article such as a school or school district, it very rapidly goes out of date (and therefore almost certainly becomes inaccurate) unless it is maintained scrupulously. For example, the North Pocono School District article mentioned above contained population data that is 22 years old, family income data from 2009, (unsourced) funding data from 2010, a negative review of their transparency from 2012, academic achievement data from 2013, etc, etc. Even if this fine data is justified, you simply can't include data that is inevitably now going to be completely inaccurate. And that applies to pretty much all of the articles I have looked at that Graham87 has removed content from. Black Kite (talk) 14:04, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

This whole thing has revealed that we desperately need the school wiki project to come up with guidelines as to what is and isn't appropriate for a school district page. Myself and user:graham87 have wildly different opinions. I've seen wildly different opinions expressed from editors as well. If these guidelines exist, great, if not can we use this space to come to a consensus? Delphinium1 (talk) 17:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I think Frontier Central School District is a good place to start for our guidelines. Delphinium1 (talk) 17:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

pinging user:David notMD Delphinium1 (talk) 18:06, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

There will always be variation in what different editors consider appropriate level of detail. A great place to start is WP:WPSCH/AG, which has some of the basics for school and district articles. Of course they're guidelines, not absolutes, and there's always room to discuss or adjust them as needed. Frontier Central can be a good example since it's a recent "Good" article, but it still has room for improvement. Even so, it still makes for a decent reference point, though not one that has to be necessarily copied. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:18, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Please also see the discussion at Talk:Sayre Area School District; I'd appreciate any further perspectives there. Graham87 07:25, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Plainfield_North_High_School#Controversies

I'd like for someone to have a look here. I made a quick edit which you can see in the history, but there are still some issues here--for starters, "in the midst of a trial" said one of the sections, and that was ages ago. I'm wondering if maybe all of it should go. Drmies (talk) 00:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Drmies:. The events in that section are so old that today they are totally trivial. Furthermore, it is not this project's purpose to name-and-shame schools (as in a neighbourhood tratsch newspaper) and their non notable staff - which is already an infringement of BLP. Do go ahead and remove the entire section. I would have done it myself but a) I am no longer the coordinator of this schools project, and b) I largely retired from Wikipedia 2.5 years ago, and I'm now too old and too lazy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Royal namesakes

This page needs help. I'm compiling the details of all schools in the British Isles and elsewhere named after various royals. It could prove to be quite a long list. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 21:53, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Especially as you'd need a reliable source, in the case of any school where there is ambiguity (i.e. "The King's School", "Queen's College", "Prince of Wales College") to prove the school was named after that particular royal. You can ditch the "New York" entries as well, as they clearly aren't named after an actual royal. This would be better as a category, wouldn't it? Black Kite (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Teacher with gun in classroom

This image said to be non-NPOV in arming teachers. Comment on article talk page if you can; I will also link that discussion to this notice. Bluerasberry (talk) 00:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Riverside Christian School § West Side Christian School

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Riverside Christian School § West Side Christian School. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Would one of the members of this WikiProject mind taking a look at this question and also this article? It appears the the person asking the question actually waited a year for a response, but didn't try any other way of seeking assistance during that time. Most likely it's not a highly watched article and thus nobody noticed the question. FWIW, I only found it from WP:HD#Picture of yearbook cover in article about school. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:13, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Recognized content

A template appears above the recognized content section that a bot automatically updates the list of recognized content. However, I found that at the very least, it did not update the quality rating of vital articles (I updated it manually). I'm not sure how the bot works, but is it possible for someone to check that the bot is updating everything properly? TheGEICOgecko (talk) 01:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Waterdown District High School

Would someone from WPSCHOOLS mind taking a look at Waterdown District High School? No sources are cited, but perhaps there's a way to keep some of the content or improve the article. All the recent coverage I found after a quick Google search, however, seems to related to some serious problems that seemed to have happened last year at the school. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox school's rivals parameter

North Gwinnett High School listing five different schools as a rival wanted me to bring this up and ask for clarification. On high school articles, how do you determine whether a school warrants being mentioned as a rival of another school? Using the dictionary definition of the word would mean any other school they play sports against would qualify so I don't think that's the intention, and local reporting on high school sports seems to use the term "rival" or "rivalry" very loosely. I tried to look through the archives but I didn't see any previous discussions about this. When should a school be listed there? - Aoidh (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

If a reliable source described the schools as rivals, they may be listed. Otherwise, the schools should be removed as original research. Stedil (talk) 23:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I concur with Stedil. It's true, the term "rival" is used very loosely. Most schools have a significant rival, be it crosstown or nearby or what have you. There should be some local press at least that would highlight this. Without reliable sources, it shouldn't be included. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Stedil: @Hammersoft: thanks, that's what I figured but I didn't know if perhaps there was some other way of determining that which didn't rely on local sports writers, which in my opinion often use that word about as liberally as possible to simply mean an opposing school's team, but I guess it's best that we use reliable sources to determine its applicability and not what we personally feel is the right answer, because I would use it much more conservatively than them. - Aoidh (talk) 01:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Public school#Requested move 22 July 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Public school#Requested move 22 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 (talk) 15:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Chisnallwood Intermediate

I came across WP:THQ#Expansion of Chisnallwood Int School article. and thought perhaps someone from WPSCHOOLS might be able to help this user out since they're claiming to be a student at Chisnallwood Intermediate. They've also posted something similar at Talk:Chisnallwood Intermediate#Expansion of Chisnallwood Int School article. Then, I looked at this edit from two months ago and began to wonder how sincere they might really be about this. Maybe someone from WPSCHOOLS could take a look at this and perhaps respond to this user's talk page post. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Place links in school infoboxes

There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Implementation_in_infoboxes that concerns how place names should be linked in infoboxes. {{infobox school}} is one where common usage contravenes MOS:GEOLINK. MB 00:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

GAR

Roswell High School (Georgia) has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. (t · c) buidhe 13:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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FAR for School for Creative and Performing Arts

I have nominated School for Creative and Performing Arts for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 22:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

—== St. Mary Catholic Central High School ==

Could someone else look at the infobox here. I have trimmed the number of administrators listed in the infobox per WP:RFCSCHOOLADMIN, but they keep being restored. Need another opinion. MB 23:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@MB:, speaking as the former coord of the schools project for a decade, this article created in 2007 should ideally be un-indexed, and sent back to NPP for their view but as you and I know, that's no longer possible. As it stands, it is, or has become, largely a puff piece with possibly many of its staff, administrators, alumnae or students contributing to it. A closer examination might even reveal some COPYVIO from its website. Large swathes of it are totally unsourced, others are promotional, too much of it includes content that is best gleaned from the school's website or prospectus, thus the page no longer complies with this school project's recommendations for school articles.

Only by special consideration are high schools 'generally' accepted as notable - by edict of our Founder, but see also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, an explanation of the deletion policy. If I were still active on Wikipedia and still an admin, I would probably consider removing the unsourced sections and claims, prune for example the excessive emphasis on athletics prowess, protect the article, and encourage its major contributors to improve it in compliance with School Article Advice. FYI: Gregcar195467, Tacyarg, Tedder, Steven (Editor). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:09, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Kudpung, I don't disagree with anything you said. But in this case, I didn't even look at the article itself. Except for extremely serious/ blatent issues, I normally mostly concentrate on infoboxes, which are magnets for unsourced and trivial information. If I did more, there would be no time for NPP. Your description of this article, unfortunately, says that it is a typical school article. I asked for help here to have a consensus argument if further reverts are necessary. ---- MB 06:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I've removed those names and commented about it on the talk page, as I agree that WP:RFCSCHOOLADMIN is clear on this. - Aoidh (talk) 03:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Aoidh thank you, and TheGEICOgecko for your massive clean up of this article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:07, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll watch it and see if any large vandalism or edit wars develop. tedder (talk) 17:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello all, I know I’m late to the party and I apologize if it seemed like I was vandalizing, I just don’t understand that if a school says what the administration is why can’t we put it in there, the president outranks the principal in this school. I’m going to add the president and then go from there. Since this is a private Catholic high school, the positions of administrators may have different definitions, please understand I’m not trying to vandalize I’m from the area so I just am using my knowledge. Thanks! Gregcar195467 (talk) 00:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

The issue wasn't the inclusion of the president, it was the inclusion of lower-level staff such as the Dean of students and the Athletic director. Meters (talk) 02:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I admittedly knee-jerked removed the recent addition of the president because I saw multiple names but that was just the principal also being moved down and therefore highlighted and looked at the RfC and didn't see president listed in the "include" list. After thinking about it though, I reverted myself and reinserted the president, because even if it's not in the letter of the RfC closing comment I do think it's in the spirit of the RfC closing comment in that president is an adjacent title to some of the others permitted per that RfC. Maybe there's more nuance to it than I'm aware of and the school's president doesn't actually belong, but that's an argument someone else can make. - Aoidh (talk) 02:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Just so you don't feel alone, I tried to revert that addition of the president, but you beat me to it. I'm not entirely convinced that it is appropriate, but I'm not ready to do battle over it. Donald Albury 12:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Improving article from attack piece to standard school page

I’ve started a discussion at Talk:Trinity Christian Academy (Addison, Texas)#Improving article from attack piece to standard school page about improving an article that now reads like a WP: Attack. I’ve tried the Request Edit process because of my declared COI, but the controversies just ended up being emphasized even more, with barely any information about the many other aspects of the school. I’d ask that members of this project, with their interest and expertise in schools, please consider participating in the discussion to improve this article. Lkspears (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Durham High School for Girls#Requested move 16 February 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Durham High School for Girls#Requested move 16 February 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 06:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:52, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

William Adams High School

William Adams High School in Texas is completely unsourced. I have located a few sources which support only that the school existed, but little else. The school appears to have been replaced by Alice High School. Should they be merged? Redirected? Perhaps others have sources to improve the article. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:06, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

It looks like the history content from William Adams High School is almost identical to that of Alice High School, but with a little extra about the period of time when AHS was named WAHS, and what happened to the old WAHS building. (That similar content looks like a potential copy-vio from Alice, TX on the Handbook of Texas Online. At a quick glance, it also looks like much of that similar information is on Alice, Texas, but has been paraphrased without sourcing.) My quick, gut recommendation is to redirect William Adams High School to Alice High School, and add the additional history/name and alumni information from the WAHS article to the AHS article. Next steps could be to clean up/improve the AHS article, possibly along with the articles for Alice Independent School District and Alice, Texas. --Hebisddave (talk) 14:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Looks to me like a good plan. Pinging the original creator in 2008 of WAHS Jgrz, who has not contributed since early 2016, so unlikely to weigh in. Since we do not typically have middle school articles, perhaps their intent was to include the details of the William Adams Middle School's history, but they created they created the AHS article first in 2007, so who knows?

Good catch on the potential copy-vio. I suggest merging appropriately phrased content from the WAHS article into the school history of Alice High School, and then asking an admin for help creating a redirect without the WAHS history to solve the copyvio issues. I don't believe a PROD or AfD are timely enough solutions.

Let me know if you need help finding resources on newspapers.com, EBSCO or ProQuest. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Is there anything in the history that you need to access before the merge. If not, I can revdel the copyvio. Donald Albury 20:08, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I ran copyvio detector and stored a copy of the WAHS history section on my laptop, so can work from that. Is a REVDEL necessary if you move the article to a Redirect without the history? Thanks for your help. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:40, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
We have to maintain a record of contributions to the article, even if part of the content is revdeled. See Wikipedia:Merge and delete for more information. Donald Albury 22:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: there are two significant copyvio sections of Alice High School that may need REVDEL. I'm deleting them now; will check to see how far back they go. There may be significant article history that will be lost. Drat. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I've deleted the worst of the Alice High School copyvios, but there's more: the school songs are printed verbatim, but the earwig report points to a source from the Wayback Machine, originally from the site at alicecoyote.com, which has apparently since been purchased by a Japanese dental company... too weird for a Tuesday. There's no way to ascertain the copyright status of the original source, but to be safe I will delete those texts too. Thanks for your help with REVDEL. I'll wait a day to do more revisions and additions. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Public domain, anything published after January 1, 1928, may still be under copyright and I assume that school alma maters and fight songs, unless very old, are still under copyright, unless proven otherwise. Web sites come and go. I am constantly having to recover links from the Internet Archive. Donald Albury 00:27, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Fort Bend Independent School District

Would someone from WP:SCHOOLS take a look at Fort Bend Independent School District? It's been tagged with {{More citations needed}} since July 2021, but maybe that should be reassessed. I'm also wondering about all the images being used in the article, and whether an image of each school is needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I removed the {{More citations needed}} tag. All those images for middle and elementary schools should go. I'm neutral about the images for high schools. Donald Albury 12:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree, but would also delete HS pictures and the table. In general, our articles about school districts include simple lists of the schools in the district, with links to high school articles, but not with tables or pictures. Simple listings of the elementary and middle schools are appropriate; this district serves 87 schools, and the elaboration of the table and picture are unnecessary clutter in my opinion. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 14:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

A link to the first of 6 pages of NCES listings could suffice. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 16:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree with this. RickH86 (talk) 16:21, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Done — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

New template

A new editor, User:JohKerin, has created this template, and has been adding it to every school article in Michigan. I'm wondering if we need this level of test score data in high school articles (and who will maintain the yearly data). Magnolia677 (talk) 23:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

It does seem like an unnecessary level of information, especially for stats that will change for each article every year; we can't even keep the decennial census information up to date on a large number of city articles, it seems unrealistic to expect information that changes yearly to be kept up to date. - Aoidh (talk) 23:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed - what makes this relevant? Unnecessary detail, and it will not be mainteined. RickH86 (talk) 14:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Using possible maintenance shortfall as an excuse to remove specific content is the least you want, considering that many school articles contain outdated enrollment and demographic data. JohKerin (talk) 12:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

That articles are already filled with outdated information isn't a good selling point to add more, and the issue is that it seems like an unnecessary level of detail. - Aoidh (talk) 16:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

There is going to be information needs yearly updates. One downside is often the difficulty to maintain/update that information. Keeping that in mind, the information can be valuable enough to include it in articles. For example, number of students or school ranking are important. However, extensive details about standarized exams seems to me to be a lot less important, and therefore unnecessary. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Yorktown Education#Requested move 9 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yorktown Education#Requested move 9 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Favonian (talk) 20:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Intro at Lake Highland Preparatory School

I think this article has undue weight of it's past history and establishment in the intro. I'm not suggesting removing facts from the history, but immediately highlighting the racist history of the school in the second sentence of the intro seems very undue to me. Quite a number of schools, including most of the universities in the U.S., were established as whites-only institutions. We don't start off their articles with this fact. Some other eyes/opinions please? --Hammersoft (talk) 02:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Same thing is happening at Bulloch Academy. Crickets? Is that our response? --Hammersoft (talk) 17:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hammersoft, you could try making a suggestion at the Lake Highland talk page and linking the discussion here. There has been a lot of edit warring recently, so discussion is probably better than a bold edit.

I have removed some WP:COPYVIO text from Bulloch Academy. TSventon (talk) 13:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

It's a wider problem than a single article. I'm noting two. It's elsewhere. I was hoping for input on people's thoughts on the overarching issue of whether it's undue weight or not. That's not article specific. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The fact that these schools were founded as whites-only institutions in response to the integration of public schools is a significant part of the identity of these schools, and should be included in the lead of these articles. However, information that represents the current status of the school should take precedence over historical values. For example, if the lead has two paragraphs, the information about its founding as a segregation academy fits better within the second paragraph. I think the Lake Highland prep article's lead as it is currently written handles this topic appropriately. Stedil (talk) 00:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Reports of book banning

I am starting to see reports of book banning in Florida schools being added to articles: [1], [2]. There will potentially be multiple books banned in all public schools in Florida. How should this be handled in articles about schools, school boards, and related articles? Donald Albury 13:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Midwest High School's Deletion Nomination and Notability

Greetings, WP Schools.Lavalizard101 nominated Midwest Schools for deletion May 30 for lack of notability. I was looking and found sources and managed to make a nice stub for it, but was wondering if anyone could identify any more sources that could add to the notability to prevent deletion. Thanks. BurgeoningContracting 04:15, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Stub school articles need help - before "Proposed deletion"

While working on de-orphaning articles today, I found these articles all needing sources.

Please add references from reliable sources to prevent being deleted. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 23:30, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Victoria Park Collegiate Institute

There is a content dispute at Talk:Victoria Park Collegiate Institute#Royalty?. The school is named after a road in Toronto, and the road is named after Queen Victoria. Another editor asserts that a link should be added to Royal eponyms in Canada. The input of others would be appreciated. --Magnolia677 (talk) 22:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Relevant RfC at Wikipedia talk:Notability about notability and embedded lists

You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Notability asking if relevant notability guidelines should be modified to clarify that notability can be used as a criterion for inclusion in embedded lists. If it is passed, it may result in changes to Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice. ElKevbo (talk) 01:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Malvern College

Malvern College has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

McConchie One Room Schoolhouse

In Charles County Maryland, they've saved the last known African American segregated schoolhouse and I'd like to know the guidance on whether it reaches notability. They moved the entire schoolhouse to the county fairgrounds. Would

make a decent start as references, or should I find more before considering starting?Naraht (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

We need at least 3 sources that meet notability requirements for significant coverage, in independent reliable sources. The firs source you listed meets that requirement, but the second is a primary source-- it can be used to verify facts but it is not independent. I checked on newspapers.com and ProQuest, but did not find additional sources online. Sources do not need to be online: check your local library for print sources with significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's one more with significant coverage as an independent, reliable, secondary source: McConchie alums share their one-room school experiences — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

There are several other articles at somdnews that I think would qualify. Adding https://www.somdnews.com/independent/news/local/mcconchie-school-committee-works-toward-making-schoolhouse-a-regular-fixture/article_e4893052-2d1a-56c6-94ec-792b77023d9d.html to the list of sources. I think it is OK if the sources are all from the same newspaper. (If that is a problem, then https://thebaynet.com/history-of-school-segregation-desegregation-to-be-discussed-by-those-who-lived-it-html/ ) The other question is whether https://www.explorecharlescounty.com/see-do/history-and-heritage/african-american-history-and-heritage/mcconchine-school-house would count as primary or secondary.Naraht (talk) 01:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, articles about non-profit schools do not need to meet the WP:AUD criterion of at least one regional, state, or national source. I did notice that the Sound News article is behind a paywall, but I was able to archive it at the Wayback machine, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20230916163846/https://www.somdnews.com/independent/news/local/mcconchie-school-committee-works-toward-making-schoolhouse-a-regular-fixture/article_e4893052-2d1a-56c6-94ec-792b77023d9d.html

Here's the archived version of the first Sound News article above: https://web.archive.org/web/20230914171738/https://www.somdnews.com/independent/spotlight/mcconchie-alums-share-their-one-room-school-experiences/article_8ac10a90-f3f6-5b8c-8c71-173469cb15fd.html

I believe the "Explore Charles County" article is a secondary source, so good job finding sources! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 16:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

This is even more enthusiastic support than I expected. Note, I did tell the people there that I was looking at *trying* to make an article, but I don't think that gives me a COI (I was visiting the county fairgrounds they had moved the school to).Naraht (talk) 20:45, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think routine prior knowledge about a subject necessarily constitutes a COI. On the other hand, a potential COI declaration is cheap, and is a courtesy alert for other editors to double-check for neutral language. This Special:Diff/704050226 is one way I've handled it, given my prior knowledge of a subject. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Broomfield School, Arnos Grove#Requested move 18 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Broomfield School, Arnos Grove#Requested move 18 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Waggers TALK 11:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Greenfield Community College, Newton Aycliffe#Requested move 11 September 2023

An editor has requested that Greenfield Community College, Newton Aycliffe be moved to Greenfield Academy, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion.-- Wesoree ^{(talk·contribs)} 14:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

RfC that may be of interest to this wikiproject

There is an RfC that may be of interest to this wikiproject at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC on school districts. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Moreland School District

I have created a draft of the Moreland School District here: Draft:Moreland School District, with an emphasis on the history of the school and its California Historical Landmark status. Please review it and let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. Greg Henderson (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

The draft has been reviewed and submitted to the article space. Thanks! Greg Henderson (talk) 14:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Herbert Hoover High School (Glendale)#Requested move 20 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Herbert Hoover High School (Glendale)#Requested move 20 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Coat rack? Not Memorial?

Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at West Warwick High School#Matthew Dennison? It seems a bit undue to have a single stand-alone about a student (even one who was killed in such a tragic way). Most of the content seem reasonably sourced, but there's a WP:NOTMEMORIAL tinge to the entire section. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I tend to agree that this, sadly, is a fairly routine event and that that section should be removed. Anyone else have a view? Tacyarg (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I feel it should be kept, it seems to be an important part of this schools history. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems "important" because it happened recently. Is this the first student to ever die while enrolled at the school? I doubt it, but not only is WP:NOTMEMORIAL an issue, but so is WP:RECENT. If the article ever has a facilities section and it mentions the memorial, then sure, a brief one-sentence mention would be warranted to explain why it's named as such, but an entire section about the student, how he died, and the reactions is not appropriate for this article. Remember, the article is about the school, not the students who attended the school or every event to ever occur at the school. And in this case, the accident that killed the student did not happen at the school anyway. This student's tragic death is sad, but really has had no major bearing on the school's regular operations or its history. --JonRidinger (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, we could also shorten the section and do something like this:

Heading: Alumni

Subheading: Remembered alumni

Content:

•Matthew Dennison(hockey captain, died March 10, 2022 while in a coma resulting from a car accident) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:04, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Subheading: Notable Alumni

Content:

What is already listed

Requesting review for a draft high school article for a school in Turkey

Hi, I would appreciate a review of the draft article Draft:İstiklal Makzume Anadolu Lisesi. As I indicated on the talk page, I believe the prior reviewers were not exactly fair to the subject and did not consider WP:NEXIST fairly. High schools in the developing world are significantly underrepresented on Wikipedia. For instance, currently, there are zero Wikipedia articles for high schools in the Hatay province (out of, e.g. this partial list), which has a population equal to that of New Hampshire. In contrast, New Hampshire has dozens of High School articles. Gorkem80 (talk) 01:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Should student leaders be listed in infobox?

Editorial input is requested at Talk:Robina State High School#Student leaders in infobox. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Rosenwald Schools in X

In general, does it make sense that Rosenwald Schools be placed under Historically Segregated African American Schools in X? So for example, to make a subcat of Category:Historically segregated African-American schools in Alabama? (There are several state categories in this, most of the Confederacy and a few other states.Naraht (talk) 19:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Bishop McGuinness Catholic High School (Oklahoma)

There is a content dispute at Talk:Bishop McGuinness Catholic High School (Oklahoma)#OSSAA Section. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Phillips Academy has an RfC

Phillips Academy has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Click here to skip to RfC section. GuyHimGuy (talk) 06:18, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Athens Christian School

Novice editors are removing cited content from Athens Christian School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). I would prefer not to be the only editor reverting these changes, so please consider adding the page to your watchlists. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 04:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Academic Lyceum of Westminster International University in Tashkent

If anyone has capacity to look at Academic Lyceum of Westminster International University in Tashkent, that would be great. I have just added some refs to Westminster International University in Tashkent, and saw that the university has this attached school (if it is a school? No age given for the students). The article is a bit muddled; probably needs to say it is a school more clearly if it is one, and it is described as a vocational institute when it looks as if it is an academic one. The statement "It is considered to be the best" is sourced to the school's own website. There is some copyediting needed. Thanks to anyone who can pick this up. Tacyarg (talk) 22:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

It appears to be a 6th form college and offers A levels, see its English webpage. TSventon (talk) 02:09, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Heritage Regional High School

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Cited to naught but a single primary (404) source for 16.86 years, 99.54% unverified, and exhibiting no evidence of notability.

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Updated NCES statistics are published

It appears that public school statistics from the U.S. National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) for the 22/23 school year (public schools) and the 21/22 school year (private schools) have been published. So, as you come across U.S. schools in your editing, you might update the articles with these new statistics for |enrollment=, |teaching_staff= (in FTEs), and |ratio= (teacher/student ratio). Be sure to update the |access-date= parameter for the reference link to NCES to reflect the date you make any change. Note that some articles also cite NCES for demographics, so sections that do so might need to be updated, too. — Archer1234 (t·c) 17:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

High Schools in WV

I have never had so much trouble finding high school articles as I am having at Sean_Jackson_(basketball)#High_School_career. Is it because I am researching Class A (small schools).?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

TonyTheTiger, Vinson High School is a redirect, so you could add some information from here to Spring Valley High School (West Virginia)#History. TSventon (talk) 16:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

What about the other schools in that section (Central, Van, & Coalton?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't know much about American high schools, but Central may be Wheeling Central Catholic High School, Van High School is described in Van, West Virginia#Schools and Coalton High School in Elkins High School (West Virginia)#History. TSventon (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Pingry School has an RfC

Pingry School has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. GuardianH (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Union City High School (NJ) and its lede as a prototype?

There is a discussion here about including highly specific information about how many students are eligible for reduced-cost lunches and teacher:student ratios in the lede. Please join the discussion, because the article has been praised by editors and some want to use it as a prototype for many more. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Photographs of pupils

What's the policy on including identifiable pictures of current pupils in articles? As here, Head girl and head boy. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:IUP#Privacy rights, and on the Commons, see [3]. I think it's creepy, but might pass both policies. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

"Publishing a photo of an identifiable person in a private place usually requires consent, and Commons expects this even if relevant laws do not require it." A school is not a public place (try gaining entrance to one whilst students are inside and see what happens). Black Kite (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Belated thanks. On balance, I've taken the image out, and will discuss on the article's Talk page if it is added back. Tacyarg (talk) 19:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Harton Academy

I've reverted several times the addition of Ofsted judgements to the lead at Harton Academy. I've started a discussion on the Talk page about this - my view is that, because judgements change over time, it's not sensible to include them in the lead. Does that seem reasonable to members of this project? I'm wondering whether the other editor is editing on mobile and not getting notifications of messages on his Talk page. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Update to this; other editors are now engaging in the discussion on the Talk page, but I'd welcome input from other editors with expertise on school articles. My view is still that Ofsted judgements shouldn't be in the lead, but I note that The Judd School does include the school's judgement in the lead, albeit possibly a special case because of the amount of evidence pointing to a very high achieving school in that case. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 11:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Key people of Redlands High School

Perhaps some others wouldn't mind watching Redlands High School for a bit to make sure "Key people" being added to the article's infobox are actually worth adding. My guess is that DaquavionJohnsonSmith might have some connection to the school (student perhaps) and is adding names of current students to the infobox who meet their definition of "key people" without really establishing why. It could also just be someone goofing around. Anyway, I started a discussion on the article's talk page to try and get them to engage and perhaps they will; if they don't, however, if might be better for others to get involved so it's not just the two of us going back and forth. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:City of Liverpool College#Requested move 14 March 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:City of Liverpool College#Requested move 14 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Need Help with Nord Anglia Education

This corporation has, for quite some time, engaged in serious promotional editing and COI violations the articles related to their schools are stuffed with press releases and few independent sources. I need some help figuring out what articles get kept per notability and which get folded into the article on NAE itself. There probably needs to be a "list of NAE schools" article, given the way things are panning out. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Westview Secondary School for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Plano Christian Academy

The article Plano Christian Academy has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Small defunct school. May have closed in 2010 after just 7 years. No 3rd party sources to show enduring notability.

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The Frank Anthony Memorial All-India Inter-School Debate

Has anyone a view on this article - specifically, the number of non-notable pupils mentioned? Wondering about taking out all names. Tacyarg (talk) 12:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Haileybury and Imperial Service College#Requested move 23 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Haileybury and Imperial Service College#Requested move 23 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Goodyear High School

Could someone from WP:SCHOOLS take a look at Goodyear High School and assess it? It's a newly created article about a school that seems to be still in the process of being built; so, this might be a case of WP:TOOSOON. In addition, the creator has also declared they have a COI with respect to the school because they went to school in the same school district and live in the area. FWIW, that seems a pretty minor COI to me, and the school's Wikipedia notability (or lack thereof) is more of a concern. Perhaps the thing to do here if the school's Wikipedia notability is questionable would be to redirect the article to Agua Fria Union High School District#High schools until a better claim for Wikipedia notability can be made. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Marchjuly, I've reviewed the sourcing, and it's in the marginal pass range. There are 2 in-depth West Valley News articles, a report by the NBC affiliate 12News, a WESTMARC article which appears to be press release ("Special to Independent Newsmedia"), and a passing mention about the school bond issue on the KJZZ Phoenix FM station webpage. The remainder are primary sources from Agua Fria High School District. I searched newspapers.com, but found only references to Goodyear Millennium High School. There will no doubt be additional news stories as the construction progresses. Perhaps the intermediate solution should be to draftify, since this article is otherwise well-written. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Brown v. Board of Education

Brown v. Board of Education has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

afd nominations

There are some school related afd nominations on this page. The project does not have much participant. I would appreciate if some of you could give your opinion there. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

American schools changing NCES IDs

Hello! While working on Dollarway High School I found that the school's NCES ID changed when its district changed from Dollarway School District to Pine Bluff School District. It seems the template can only handle one NCES ID at a time. What should be done about this? WhisperToMe (talk) 17:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

WhisperToMe I am not familiar with NCES IDs, but the problem is that adding two copies of {{NCES School ID}} generates two different copies of reference "nces_sch", which results in an error message. For example {{NCES School ID|050541000253|school_name=Dollarway High School|access_date=November 12, 2012}} produces

050541000253^[1]

References

^ "Search for Public Schools - Dollarway High School (050541000253)". National Center for Education Statistics. Institute of Education Sciences. Retrieved November 12, 2012.

A workaround could be to enter the first number without using the template. TSventon (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thank you for the idea! I made that quick fix. It would be nice to make a permanent fix for the template so that multiple NCES IDs can be handled by the same school. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: hopefully someone who is more familiar with US education will come along shortly, otherwise you could ask at the template's talk page.

Another issue is that d:Q5289259 has two NCES school IDs and that is showing as incorrect as well. TSventon (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thanks again! I made a note at Wikidata:Property_talk:P2484#Multiple_NCES_IDs_are_possible WhisperToMe (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for City of London School

City of London School has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 07:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Stonyhurst College

Stonyhurst College has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

[nces_sch-1] "Search for Public Schools - Dollarway High School (050541000253)". National Center for Education Statistics. Institute of Education Sciences. Retrieved November 12, 2012.

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