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Noindex on AfDs

Hi @Clovermoss -- so here's what I found out regarding the discussion at Village Pump. Unfortunately, this still looks a bit mysterious from our end.

We would have expected this page to have always have been excluded due to it being there in robots.txt for a very long time, judging by the comment in robots.txt saying the following:

# Folks get annoyed when VfD discussions end up the number 1 google hit for
# their name.
See T6776 Disallow: /wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/

Do you see this for other AfD pages? One thing to keep in mind is if noindex was added recently or if the robots.txt entry was added recently, it sometimes takes up to several weeks for a recrawl. It should be faster for domains that see a lot of activity, such as enwiki, but it will still sometimes take weeks for a noindex to reflect. MMiller (WMF) (talk) 19:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@MMiller (WMF): I'll try to look into this to see if I can find other examples. Given that there keeps being multiple phab tickets each time this is "resolved", I have a hunch that it's never really been fixed? It helps when there's statistics to back that assumption, though. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Question from Noorulhaqbrothers (07:34, 23 January 2025)

Hi, sir I want to add some information of our organization, basically we are a 60 year old construction company, could you guide me how can I do --Noorulhaqbrothers (talk) 07:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Noorulhaqbrothers, sorry for the wait. The first thing you'd want to do is read our guide for contributing with a conflict of interest, and you must disclose if you are being paid to edit. The second would be to check if your employer meets what Wikipedia considers to be a notable company. You want to cite and summarize reliable sources and do so in a neutral way. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Question from Samkamels (22:44, 24 January 2025)

Edited:

So, I was trying the Talk function. Is this the right way to do it? Or do I need to include more information or screenshots?

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFlairTech#Company_Name

Thank you for your support. --Samkamels (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

@Samkamels: I'm a bit confused about what you mean by "trying topics". I might be a bit more help if you give me more information about what you're trying to accomplish. As for the latter, Wikipedia has naming conventions that don't always align with what a company calls itself, like with Twitter. Situations like that are about common names that reliable sources use to describe the subject. That's what you'd want to rely on, instead of a company's own website or screenshots of it. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:48, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

That answers my question. Thank you. Samkamels (talk) 22:57, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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Question from Dakota Puppy (02:56, 27 January 2025)

Hello. Just received an invitation to edit a document. How do I select one to get started? Thank you for your help --Dakota Puppy (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dakota Puppy: My advice depends a bit on what you mean by being invited to edit a document. Did someone ask you to edit a specific article? Or are you just talking about being encouraged to edit more generally? Anyways, I've left some links on your talk page that should be helpful. Feel free to reach out to me whenever you have questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:04, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

No one asked me to edit a specific document. I found one for an ancestor that had several errors in it. I took the plunge and corrected the errors. I have since found more documents that could use a little revising re grammar and punctuation. Is it okay if I go ahead and do this. Dakota Puppy (talk) 03:09, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Go ahead! Generally people will let you know if you're doing something wrong and if that happens, the matter can be discussed. The main thing to keep in mind is that it's important to cite reliable sources when you're adding content. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the input. My edits will be mainly technical not content but if I cross a line I will be happy to be told I have. Thank you. Dakota Puppy (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dakota Puppy: You're very welcome! I hope you enjoy your time here. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

RevDel request

Hi Clovermoss. I saw you on the recent admins list. Could you revdel this edit for violating BLP and being general vandalism (RD2)? I reverted it but it is pretty blatant. cyberdog958^Talk 03:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Cyberdog958: I don't do revdel requests very often, nor do I speak spanish, so I'm asking for a second admin opinion on this one. Something to keep in mind for the future is that revdel requests should generally not be posted in public places like noticeboards or talk pages. Before I became an admin myself, I would email admins on the rare circumstances I came across something revdel worthy. My understanding is that is considered to be the best practice. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:44, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok no problem. I've never requested a revdel before so I was unsure of the best process and I just found you at the top of the recently active admins list. Thanks for looking at the edit and I will make sure to use email in the future. cyberdog958^Talk 03:54, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Cyberdog958: Just to add a bit more color on this, I'd also probably just revert that edit rather than doing revision deletion since it's so clearly vandalism and not exactly an attempt to introduce a BLP violation. Maybe it could be removed under RD3, but I think it's a bit below the bar for that. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:02, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Daniel Quinlan: Got it. I really just requested it because it seemed to me to meet RD2 criteria and I've seen similar type edits (in English) to be revdeled. But I do recognize that the edit is pretty insignificant and for most cases it is better to just revert and WP:DENY. cyberdog958^Talk 04:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, Clovermoss ... I knew you had a nice collection of links to Wiki tutorials and study material, so I came here looking for something to get me through understanding how to use the reflist template. Ideally it would include examples, practice, and automatically scored tests. I'd be happy to learn other more novice-level things too, after this.

I'm desperate, after trying to wade through other reflist documentation. I wish I could just switch to the Visual editor, which I find so much more straightforward; but an article I'm working on uses sfn and reflist, and I know it's not a good idea idea to use different citation formatting in an existing article. Plus I'm not even sure if I did switch to Visual editor to add new references to a reference list created with reflist that it would even work. Augnablik (talk) 08:50, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik: I'm sorry you're having a difficult time with this. You should be able to switch between visual editor and source editor, but I've never really used the former so I can't say with certainty if maybe it screws things up. I know Joe Roe uses visual editor a lot so he may have some advice. It sounds like User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners might help you. There's also a video in there that guides you through it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Augnablik (talk) 17:26, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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Question from Sabu Sahabuddin (05:31, 28 January 2025)

Why don’t' wiki accept video or MP4? --Sabu Sahabuddin (talk) 05:31, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sabu Sahabuddin: Videos can actually be cited in an article. What matters is that it has to be a reliable source. So you can't cite some random YouTuber but you can cite the YouTube channel for CBC News. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:36, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Question from QueenBee101cece (20:40, 28 January 2025)

Hello, I am QueenBee101cece, I would like to ask a question. How do I start the editing process? --QueenBee101cece (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@QueenBee101cece: You can just pick almost any article and start editing (some pages that get a lot of vandalism are locked to new editors, but the vast majority aren't). I'll leave some helpful links on your talk page as well. Let me know if you have any further questions! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Question from Aziansinou prosper on Granville Sharp (16:55, 30 January 2025)

Who defended james same set in court --Aziansinou prosper (talk) 16:55, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aziansinou prosper: I'm unsure what you're asking about but it sounds like a general reference based question. You might have better luck at the Wikipedia:Reference desk but you'd likely need to provide more information. The mentorship program is meant for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Virginia Christian

Yo Clovermoss! In 1912 some 16 year old intellectually disabled girl was accused of killing someone who abused and mistreated her. Can you help make the article less bad? I had to make edits like [1] and [2]. This is one area Wikipedia really sucks at. If you don't have time, do you happen to know anyone who could be willing to help? Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 20:18, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: I'll try to take a look sometime in the future but no guarantees. I work on depressing stuff all the time but even I have limits. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I think edits like this are important. Do you know other people who are able to deal with some of the more difficult (not necessarily depressing, but complicated) stuff? I sometimes come across problems that I know I can't fix alone. And I can't keep spamming WhatamIdoing's talkpage. Polygnotus (talk) 23:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: I will say your instinct to come to me was a decent guess. I've worked on some complicated subject matter like Jehovah's Witnesses and Euthanasia in Canada before. No one else immediately comes to mind to recommend for something like this, probably because most people intentionally avoid such topics, get burned out, or get sanctioned. There's a reason I alternate between more light hearted stuff and take breaks when I need them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. If you get tired of the light, fun and fluffy stuff you know where to find me! Polygnotus (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

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Nomination of Tamzin Hadasa Kelly for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tamzin Hadasa Kelly is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamzin Hadasa Kelly until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't usually leave comments like this but I thought I should this time. I think it was a tad bit uncalled for to suggest that you or anyone else at that discussion aren't competent enough to edit BLPs. You were 100% neutral and collegial every step of the way, in my opinion. There's literally nothing much else you could have done differently... The article is obviously going to be deleted. Tamzin could have just requested BLPREQUESTDELETE; the extra snark was not necessary. Notability is just a guideline but civility is a policy even though a lot of editors on here seem to forget that sometimes. This whole discussion is academic at this point so I'm not going to go leave this comment elsewhere and risk getting into arguments with people (I don't come here for drama, I like everyone on here). I just felt like leaving this comment here for your benefit in case you were feeling discouraged by this whole affair (saw you disabled your email; you're probably not discouraged but you seem to be taking the brunt of this for some reason) Now as far as I'm concerned this "drama" is behind all of us. I'm moving back to my regularly scheduled editing activities. Good luck with your future editing. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:07, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

At least you see things that way. I'm not going to lie, I'm feeling incredibly discouraged by everything. It's difficult to not take this personally when the entire situation feels so unfair. I think it's only human to get upset after seeing this, this, and this. All of this seems to stem from me saying "Trump-related administrative actions" instead of directly quoting the source saying something similar immediately. [3]

I'm sure Tamzin is still upset about that sentence but I don't have the heart to change it anymore. I've spent most of the past few hours too upset to do anything on Wikipedia, let alone go to the source of what caused it. If I don't make any edits in the near future, that will be why. I'm going to try and deal with this offline. My Wikipedia streak might end, which would be sad, but I need to take care of myself. I also need to stop caring so much about what other people think because that's always been a weakness of mine. The problem is that I can't stop caring. I'd appreciate it if no one contacts T&S this time simply because I experience negative emotions. I was fine then and I'll be fine now. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:07, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

At end of the day, all you can really do is control your own actions. It's not your fault how others choose to respond. Sometimes bad stuff just happens... I was falsely blocked as a sockpuppet of someone else ten years ago. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)