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Africa
[edit]- Tobi Asehinde (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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All the sources fail WP:GNG and cannot establish WP:SIGCOV of the subject. They are either puff piece, our story section, no single mention or or pass mentioned sources. Ibjaja055 (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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- 2031 Africa Cup of Nations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. A redirect with this same title was also deleted for the same reason in November 2024 (see: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 31#2031 Africa Cup of Nations). CycloneYoris talk! 21:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete, per nom. It it way too soon for this article to exist. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. We need to stamp out the perceived need to create articles years ahead of time. Wikipedia does not stage a contest to be the first to create such articles. Geschichte (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete Per nom and that it's unreferenced with no information, other than that an event may take place in 2031.
- Delete as way WP:TOOSOON. Not enough information known to even warrant a redirect to parent article. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Selection of host/s for the 2029 tournament is ongoing. No WP:SIGCOV on this future event. QEnigma talk 11:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Gauravs 51 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I would have voted for the article to be moved to the draft space if there was even a single information about the event, like host or stadiums, etc similar to 2034 World Cup but there is currently no update about this event. FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- The Water Project (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article about a non-profit is currently only sourced to the organisation's own website and to a BBC article that provides a WP:PASSING mention that a group of hackers donated money to the organisation. The only other sources I was able to find were a WP:HUFFPOCON op-ed by the organisation's CEO [1], a WP:MEDIUM interview with the CEO [2], and a few press releases like these [3] [4], none of which would be considered independent. It was also featured in the 'nonprofit spotlight' section of Philanthropy News Digest in 2018 [5], but this seems more like a repackaging of information from their website rather than anything that could be considered SIGCOV. Overall it seems like an charity that's doing great work, but I don't see anything that suggests it meets WP:NONPROFIT. MCE89 (talk) 13:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Unicef and various giving websites mention this project, but nothing for RS we can use. Sourcing in the article is primary, so not helping notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Did a big search and couldn't find anything independent to satisfy WP:GNG Waterfelt (talk) 23:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cynthia_Akanga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe Cynthia_Akanga fails the WP:GNG criteria. Person has brief bios on both linkedin and imdb but very little independent coverage. SallyRenee (talk) 05:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: could not find any reliable source to establish notability most sources are primary and IMDb FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I believe the relevant guideline is WP:ENTERTAINER. It says that the person may be considered notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple television shows or stage performances. Akanga has had multiple roles, two to be exact: a stage performance and a role in a television show. Wikipedia does not have a lot of articles about Togolese women. Conscious of the WP:Systemic bias, I vote keep. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Ruud Buitelaar and per WP:ENT. She had significant roles in multiple notable productions. – Anne drew (talk · contribs) 04:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- HiveColab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 06:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Under Hive Colab there are multiple sources that support notability, see New Vision, Independent, AsiaTechDaily, Nile Post, Pctechmag, and BBC FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources but after looking at them, I do not feel comfortable using these to establish notability. My initial comment is the article is about HiveColab while the focus on a lot of these articles is about YSAU (Youth Startup Academy Uganda) which is one of the accelerator programs under it. Per WP:NOTINHERITED while they are related, we cannot use the program alone to cover for the organization above it and HiveColab should be able to stand by itself. Also something irking me is how promotional the whole thing seems. I see mention of co-founder Barbara Birungi and judging by the state of her article, it feels like there is some PR campaign being held for her (and possibly her firm) on the internet. Anyway:
- New Vision: There seems to be a related press release for this here. This is reporting on a ceremony for YSAU, a program under Hive Collab rather than Hive Collab itself. Half of it are just promotional quotes by related parties. If you look at the remaining content, most of it looks very similar to the press release. Edit: ITC states it is involved in implementing YSAU so it’s a related party. The press release from Hive Collab is here which has similar wording content.
- Independent: First thing I noticed is this article is not authored to an individual. There's another site with the exact same content here so I’m wondering if this is just a form of a press release. The focus is on Ugandan startups signing deals at Gitex in Morocco. The focus is not on Hive Collab but the entrepreneurs under it. The latter half of the article can be ignored since not about Hive Collab. So taking out the quotes, its pretty much a non-notable entity named Dain Leaders Corporation signing an MOU with Hive Collab and the supposed benefits in a press release manner.
- AsiaTechDaily: Non-notable entity GCCEI signs an MOU with Hive Collab. That's kinda it. While it is authored, it seems like a regurgitated press release of a routine deal given how short it is and the language used.
- NilePost: This one does seem to be more than a press release (I think). But in my view looking at it, the main focus is on YSAU companies attending Gitex in Morocco with a chance to show themselves. There doesn’t seem to be much analysis on Hive Collab itself. Edit: Here is the original press release, the 15 YSAU startups are directly copied so the source is now much weaker.
- PC Tech: There seems to be a related press release (or update as called) for this here. This article is not authored to an individual. Another ceremony of people from YSAU graduating. Large chunks of it are just kinda copied from the press release.
- BBC: Very brief mention of Hive Collab and in fact seems to be more on Barbara Birungi herself.
- So looking at all of them, they fail WP:SIRS in my view. To save time just give the best three independent in-depth sources going forward. - Imcdc Contact 05:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- You should be clear when you say a press release to indicate how did you come to that conclusion.
- All of what you labelled as a “press release” is either not a press release by the organisation, see New Vision or is not one at all, see Nile Post. And I am not sure who did you dismiss the mention by the BBC. This organisation is not in Global West, it is in Uganda and still mentioned by the BBC. FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, I have updated the above analysis.
- See WP:PRSOURCE. A press release doesn’t need to directly come from Hive Colab. It can come from an affiliated party. We know ITC is affiliated because it itself says the YSAU is implemented by ITC, Hive Collab and several other parties. So no independence there. WP:PRSOURCE also mentions how less reputable news sources will write an article based on a press release which we are seeing here in examples of churnalism. Btw I have found some of the press releases by Hive Collab and updated above based on it. For example we can see now that Nile Post has indeed copied a chunk out of a press release.- Imcdc Contact 12:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Mention in books:
- The Bright Continent published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
- Digital Divides published by Taylor & Francis.
- Innovate for agriculture published by CTA.
- Empowering African Women Entrepreneurs in the Fashion Industry published by Springer International.
- Citizen-Driven Innovation published by the World Bank.
- UNESCO Science Report published by UNESCO.
- Disruptive Technologies, Innovation and Development in Africa published by Springer International.
- Africa’s Development Dynamics 2021 published by the African Union.
- FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if its because Google Books is cutting off my access to see the whole thing, but almost everything seems to be a very short mention. A lof seem to be just something like this: ilab (Liberia), Hive Collab (Uganda), Etrilabs (Benin)... and thats it. The only one that offers more is the UNESCO one. But its just one short section giving very general (and sort of generic) description of Hive Collab. I don't think this is enough to meet WP:SIGCOV for an WP:NCORP subject. Imcdc Contact 11:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources but after looking at them, I do not feel comfortable using these to establish notability. My initial comment is the article is about HiveColab while the focus on a lot of these articles is about YSAU (Youth Startup Academy Uganda) which is one of the accelerator programs under it. Per WP:NOTINHERITED while they are related, we cannot use the program alone to cover for the organization above it and HiveColab should be able to stand by itself. Also something irking me is how promotional the whole thing seems. I see mention of co-founder Barbara Birungi and judging by the state of her article, it feels like there is some PR campaign being held for her (and possibly her firm) on the internet. Anyway:
- Abayima (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NORG. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 06:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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DeleteMerge with Jon Gosier: Plenty of sources, but no sustained coverage. All the coverage is in the context of their "Open SIM Kit" after they got funding from the Knight News Challenge in January 2013, but it seems like the project fizzled out pretty quickly. Most coverage is from January. The latest source I could find was from August 2013. This source is a trade publication, which should be given less weight due to WP:TRADES. Their GitHub repo was last updated in September 2013. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)- Soft Delete : Fails WP:ORG and lacks SIGCOV.Gauravs 51 (talk)
Africa Proposed deletions
[edit]- Evans Brima Gbemeh (via WP:PROD on 11 September 2023)
Algeria
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Angola
[edit]- Alexandre Réis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non notable businessman. Most of the sources in this article are about a Brazilian musician called Alee, born in Bahia, not about the Angolan businessman Alexandre Réis, who this article says was born in Luanda. The only article that talks about Reis is this one [6], which seems too promotional. It also looks like the creator of this article has been checkuser blocked on ptwiki. Badbluebus (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment article creator (and four other sock accounts that have edited it) have been indefinitely blocked: see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/3ydepartment. The AFD has to continue though, as it's ineligible for db-banned, and probably ineligible for db-spam. Wikishovel (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete: per nom + COI + Fake referencing FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Botswana
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Cameroon
[edit]- Fatima Kome (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested draftify but with no apparent improvement. WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC both require multiple sources showing significant coverage. The only decent source that I can find is Allez Les Lions, which is a fairly standard transfer announcement regarding her move to the second French tier. I am not sure if Allez Les Lions is WP:RS as I couldn't find evidence of fact checking or professional journalism. Aside from that, I found Feca Foot, Chretiens and La Depeche, all of which are clearly trivial mentions. Since all we have is one borderline source, I can't see how this meets the notability criteria. Turkish Wikipedia had no decent coverage. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 13:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- National Library of Cameroon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no "National Library of Cameroon". The current coordinates given are to the national museum. The national archives, which are the largest museum in the country, have their own seperate entry.-- NotCharizard 🗨 15:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to National Archives of Cameroon which appears to be the case with the French article where Archives nationales du Cameroun talks about the volume it holds if I'm reading it correctly. Star Mississippi 03:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: What do you make of the first reference? The deletion discussion says there is no "National Library of Cameroon" but the source suggests there is.
- On another note, the coordinates given (3.8611940644516403°N 11.516500695387736°E) are highly suspect. I'm not sure where those came from, but they have an astonishing 16 decimal digits of precision, which is sub-nanometer precision and nonsensical for a building. Crystalholm (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 19:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there any more support for a Merge of this article to National Archives of Cameroon?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Central African Republic
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Democratic Republic of the Congo
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Egypt
[edit]Egypt Proposed deletions
[edit]- Arab American Vehicles (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- East Mediterranean Gas Company (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Egyptalum (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- eSpace (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Herrawi Group (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Ibrachy & Dermarkar (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Mo'men (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Olympic Group (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Seoudi Group (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Shotmed Paper Industries (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Corona (confectioner) (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Starworld (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)
- Bahgat Group (via WP:PROD on 2 November 2024)
Ethiopia
[edit]- Hanad Zakaria Warsame (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unsourced and does not meet WP:SIGCOV/WP:GNG requirements. Completely unsourced article going on 13+ years, and has had no major edits (barring the metadata box removal April 28, 2016) since 2010 (all other edits since 2010 have been wikilinking and template/grammatical adjustments). No reliable sources are immediately apparent, so nominating for AfD. Zinnober9 (talk) 22:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete I couldn't find any secondary English language sources at all that didn't trace back to Wikipedia. I had no luck finding the unspecified BBC World News article that is the only source, couldn't find any coverage about an assassination on 8 July 2008 in Jijiga, and couldn't work out what EVIFF actually is. I'm not sure whether being "senior congressman of the ONLF" confers any notability, but I couldn't find a source to verify it anyway. Unless someone is able to track down any Somali language sources, I think this has to be a delete given that I essentially couldn't verify anything in the article. MCE89 (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Kaleb Tedla (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable biography with no non-mirror sources found. Has been unreferenced since its creation; previously was PROD'd but the original author was not notified so the PROD was removed. Kazamzam (talk) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: It also appears to be almost verbatim from here [7] which is a spam link anyway. Nothing for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Couldn’t find sources about the topic. If anyone found sources in Amharic please ping me FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This looks like an obituary, and it has had literally no sources added in more than a decade. Tepkunset (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - substantively not notable, and also borderline WP:COPYVIO. Bearian (talk) 02:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Ethiopia Proposed deletions
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Ghana
[edit]- Isaac Anderson (model) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Refunded after soft deletion. All the sourcing on this fashion model is over-the-top promotional material, nearly all un-bylined, in sources of questionable independence and reliability (examples: Isaac Anderson 3000 is the modern Renaissance man, blending intellect, sustainability, and fashion into a tapestry that feels revolutionary yet timeless
and Isaac Anderson is celebrated not only as a fashion icon but also as a trailblazer who has redefined the fashion landscape.
) In my WP:BEFORE search, I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary, reliable sources and so I don't see a pass of WP:GNG (much less WP:NMODEL). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep — @Dclemens1971.This sounds like a target to me though I might be wrong . I was doing some checks and I realized you’re the same editor that did that first nomination. The reason for both nominations are the same. For the first nomination I completely agree as the reasons as at that time was valid but I have a problem with this one. “All sources are over-the top promotional” this is not true if you check all the sources. One source was even talking about a scam call, how’s a scam call promotional for a model? Secondly you said nearly all unbylined. This is also not true. I can see only one source unbyline(the first source). For the promotional words you wrote , yes true it sounds promotional but even that that’s the conclusion of the article and the promotional is not throughout every article as you stated. You also said the sources’ independence is questionable. In a discussion by experienced editors about countries which are affected by system bias , some these sources were discussed. This is the link , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana & https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nigeria/Nigerian_sources . The subject has been featured in a notable show(CBS morning show). I think it should be included in the English Encyclopedia. Maconzy3 (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was referring to the content in my BEFORE search, most of which was unbylined. But multiple sources in the article are indeed unbylined. Here's my source analysis:
- Vanguard. No byline. Highly promotional.
- Modern Ghana. Bylined but also highly promotional. This reads like marketing, not an independent, reliable news outlet. The author appears to have written only this article for Modern Ghana, so is likely not to be a reporter or a legitimate journalist.
- PeaceFM. No byline. Promotional. Appears to be based entirely on quotes from Anderson.
- Pulse. Bylined, but very promotional, by an "journalist" whose entire oeuvre appears to consist of spam.
- CBS News. This is an article about Anderson's brother with a three-sentence WP:TRIVIALMENTION of Isaac Anderson.
- GhanaCelebrities.com. An unreliable celebrity gossip blog.
- Graphic.com.gh. Another puff piece.
- Perhaps this is the discussion you meant to link? Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Nigerian_newspapers. It makes clear that the Nigerian sources list of the WikiProject is questionable. Either way, all we have on Anderson are puff pieces, unbylined or by writers with sketchy credentials, or articles that mention him trivially. No independent and reliable SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- About bylined and unbylined. You can only say multiple if it’s two or more. Only one which is vanguard Nigeria is Unbylined. For PeaceFM it’s at the buttom. It shows it’s from Isaac Anderson/Peacefm. So definitely an interview reporting but it is not promotional. The vanguard news has a promotional tone for that I agree. You said modernghana.com has a questionable independence, I’d advice you do research on things you’re not familiar with. Modernghana is one of the biggest news sites in Ghana although their reliability in this discussion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) is unclear. Even that I agree that it has a promotional tone but not marketing but I think educating you previously was important. The CBS news was only used to verify the subject’s education as it was mentioned. The Graphic newspaper is state owned newpaper that is considered generally reliable according to this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) . You also shared a link to a discussion. The discussion was about Nigerian sources not Ghanaian. The only Nigerian source here is Vanguard. I agree with you on few things but your generalization and exaggeration is making it hard for me to agree completely. I think some sources should be removed but I still stand that on my point that the article should be kept. Maconzy3 (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I read the PeaceFM attribution of "Source" to Anderson to be the photos of Anderson, but if you're saying that Isaac Anderson wrote that piece, it's even less eligible to demonstrate notability since it's not remotely independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- About bylined and unbylined. You can only say multiple if it’s two or more. Only one which is vanguard Nigeria is Unbylined. For PeaceFM it’s at the buttom. It shows it’s from Isaac Anderson/Peacefm. So definitely an interview reporting but it is not promotional. The vanguard news has a promotional tone for that I agree. You said modernghana.com has a questionable independence, I’d advice you do research on things you’re not familiar with. Modernghana is one of the biggest news sites in Ghana although their reliability in this discussion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) is unclear. Even that I agree that it has a promotional tone but not marketing but I think educating you previously was important. The CBS news was only used to verify the subject’s education as it was mentioned. The Graphic newspaper is state owned newpaper that is considered generally reliable according to this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) . You also shared a link to a discussion. The discussion was about Nigerian sources not Ghanaian. The only Nigerian source here is Vanguard. I agree with you on few things but your generalization and exaggeration is making it hard for me to agree completely. I think some sources should be removed but I still stand that on my point that the article should be kept. Maconzy3 (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I was referring to the content in my BEFORE search, most of which was unbylined. But multiple sources in the article are indeed unbylined. Here's my source analysis:
- Keep — @Dclemens1971.This sounds like a target to me though I might be wrong . I was doing some checks and I realized you’re the same editor that did that first nomination. The reason for both nominations are the same. For the first nomination I completely agree as the reasons as at that time was valid but I have a problem with this one. “All sources are over-the top promotional” this is not true if you check all the sources. One source was even talking about a scam call, how’s a scam call promotional for a model? Secondly you said nearly all unbylined. This is also not true. I can see only one source unbyline(the first source). For the promotional words you wrote , yes true it sounds promotional but even that that’s the conclusion of the article and the promotional is not throughout every article as you stated. You also said the sources’ independence is questionable. In a discussion by experienced editors about countries which are affected by system bias , some these sources were discussed. This is the link , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana & https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nigeria/Nigerian_sources . The subject has been featured in a notable show(CBS morning show). I think it should be included in the English Encyclopedia. Maconzy3 (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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Unremarkable model. This [8] appears purchased (similarly to WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA but in Ghana), this [9] [10] does not seem like a reliable site, these [11] [12] [13] links are dead (but appear promotional originally), this [14] barely mentions her, and this [15] is a blog. 🄻🄰 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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All the sources fail WP: GNG and the subject of the article does not have the WP:SIGCOV to have a Wikipedia page. The article is ref bombed with press releases with two sentences getting up to 7 references. Ibjaja055 (talk) 02:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: @Ibjaja055, I disagree with the assertion that the subject does not pass WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. The subject has indeed received significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Below are some examples:
- https://www.myjoyonline.com/executive-vice-president-of-golden-star-resources-daniel-owiredu-re-assigned/
- https://www.modernghana.com/news/719911/gcb-board-chairman-accused.html
- https://businessghana.com/site/news/business/204438/Accra-Mining-Network-honours-Daniel-Owiredu
- https://dailyguidenetwork.com/gcb-board-chairman-hot/ # https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/Daniel-Owiredu-is-the-mining-personality-of-the-Year-2017-604726 --
- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 10:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Robertjamal12 Thank you for providing all these sources. Prior to nomination of this article, I have gone through all the sources used in the article and additional ones available online. Almost all the sources cannot count toward WP: GNG. Since you have brought these sources up, that should have been the best of them all. Let's do a brief analysis of them.
- 1st source is a press release about his stepping down as executive officer of Golden star resources and the ascension of a new person. The article is all about the new Chairman, Mr Crew rather than him.
- 2nd source A press release dismissing allegation against him and lack a significant coverage of him.
- 3rd source: A source about a non notable award presented to him and also lacked significant coverage.
- 4th source: Another news report about his allegations without significant coverage.
- 5th source: This looks like a WP:GNG source but can we use one WP:GNG to establish notability?Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Robertjamal12 Thank you for providing all these sources. Prior to nomination of this article, I have gone through all the sources used in the article and additional ones available online. Almost all the sources cannot count toward WP: GNG. Since you have brought these sources up, that should have been the best of them all. Let's do a brief analysis of them.
Delete:One GNG worthy source cannot establish notability. All other sources are press releases and they lack significant coverage. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)- @Ibjaja055. I’m still trying to understand what you mean by lack significant coverage . All the sources you provided have significant coverage about the subject. I suggest you review WP:SIGCOV Robertjamal12 ~🔔 22:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Robertjamal12 perhaps, you will understand with this. I have broken down each of the sources and you can study my comments alongside the reason why they cannot be used toward WP:GNG. Thank you.
- @Ibjaja055. I’m still trying to understand what you mean by lack significant coverage . All the sources you provided have significant coverage about the subject. I suggest you review WP:SIGCOV Robertjamal12 ~🔔 22:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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https://www.myjoyonline.com/executive-vice-president-of-golden-star-resources-daniel-owiredu-re-assigned/ | It is a press release about the removal and ascension of the new head. | It is a national daily | It does not discuss the subject directly. It focused on the new head rather than him | ✘ No |
https://www.modernghana.com/news/719911/gcb-board-chairman-accused.html | A press release dismissing the allegations against him. A statement from the bank... |
I Though, it was clarified as unclear here yet I am passing it for this. | It is on the allegations rather than him | ✘ No |
https://businessghana.com/site/news/business/204438/Accra-Mining-Network-honours-Daniel-Owiredu | A press release about a non notable award | It looked like a National daily though couldn't find it here | It does address the subject directly | ✘ No |
https://dailyguidenetwork.com/gcb-board-chairman-hot/ | Press release about his allegations | It is a national daily | It only focuses on his allegations with little or nothing known about him | ✘ No |
https://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/Daniel-Owiredu-is-the-mining-personality-of-the-Year-2017-604726 | Though, it looked like a press release but written from news media perspective | It is a national daily | It discussed the subject directly and no original research is needed | ✔ Yes |
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- https://www.myjoyonline.com/executive-vice-president-of-golden-star-resources-daniel-owiredu-re-assigned/ -
It does not discuss the subject directly. It focused on the new head rather than him.
This source explicitly discusses the subject's tenure and contributions before transitioning from his role. It’s a news article, not a press release - https://www.modernghana.com/news/719911/gcb-board-chairman-accused.html -
It is on the allegations rather than him
. The allegations themselves are significant coverage directly involving the subject - https://dailyguidenetwork.com/gcb-board-chairman-hot/ -
It only focuses on his allegations with little or nothing known about him
. This source delves into the subject's standing as GCB Board Chairman and his role in addressing the issues. - https://businessghana.com/site/news/business/204438/Accra-Mining-Network-honours-Daniel-Owiredu -
It does address the subject directly
. - As you stated it does address the subject directly which you are right
In addition to the sources provided, here are a few as well
- https://www.classfmonline.com/business/Golden-Star-s-Daniel-Owiredu-steps-down-as-EVP-5014
- https://www.modernghana.com/news/23708/owiredu-appointed-md-of-agc.html
- https://ghanaiantimes.com.gh/golden-star-announces-changes-to-management-team/
- https://www.myjoyonline.com/daniel-owiredu-promoted-to-evpcoo-of-golden-star/
The subject pass both WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. None of the sources you assessed as press releases are WP:PRSOURCE and all provide significant coverage of the subject. - Robertjamal12 ~🔔 17:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Robertjamal12 After this, I am going to literally drop the stick. Your first additional source and the third source are exactly the same as the first source that I called a press release, word for word. A three independent and reliable news media with the same contents word for word and yet you claimed that the source is not a press release. Indeed we are not dealing with press releases here probably a source farming.
- The second and fourth are still about his appointment as the head of an organisation that can't make him notable. At this point, I am dropping the stick. Happy editing!Ibjaja055 (talk) 18:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Ibjaja055 Thank you for taking the time to review my comments regarding the assessment table above. I believe the subject meets the requirements of GNG. I also respect your decision to drop the stick. Wishing you all the best, and happy editing! — Robertjamal12 ~🔔 18:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Here's my analysis of each source so far. The verb tense I used is inconsistent, but irrelevant to notability.
- https://www.myjoyonline.com/executive-vice-president-of-golden-star-resources-daniel-owiredu-re-assigned/, https://www.classfmonline.com/business/Golden-Star-s-Daniel-Owiredu-steps-down-as-EVP-5014, and https://ghanaiantimes.com.gh/golden-star-announces-changes-to-management-team/, which count as a single source, are definitely not significant. They have the following information:
- On 1 January 2020, Owiredu stepped down as EVP and COO of Golden Star and became chairman of the board of directors of two of the company's subsidiaries.
- https://www.modernghana.com/news/719911/gcb-board-chairman-accused.html (reliability: unclear), which I has some criticisms so I don't think it's a press release, has the following:
- Owiredu is board chairman of the GCB Bank
- He is also chairman of the credit sub-committee
- He was blamed for a controversy
- He was previously president of the Ghana Chamber of Mines and EVP and COO of Golden Star
- https://dailyguidenetwork.com/gcb-board-chairman-hot/ is a different news agency writing about the same event with the same information, so I believe it counts as the same source as the above for WP:GNG purposes:
- Owiredu is board chairman of the GCB Bank
- He is also chairman of the credit sub-committee
- He was blamed for a controversy
- He was previously president of the Ghana Chamber of Mines and EVP and COO of Golden Star
- https://businessghana.com/site/news/business/204438/Accra-Mining-Network-honours-Daniel-Owiredu has the following information and lists "GNA" as a source (which is unclear as a reliable source):
- Owiredu is president and chairman of the local board of directors of Golden Star Resources as of 2020
- He is a patron of the Accra Mining Network
- He has been in the mining business for more than 30 years as of 2020
- He is the former president of the Ghana Chamber of Mines
- He is committed to helping communities in mining areas
- https://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/Daniel-Owiredu-is-the-mining-personality-of-the-Year-2017-604726 is significant. I won't try to mine that source for information because there's plenty. Its reliability is unclear, but usually high enough for notability purposes.
- https://www.modernghana.com/news/23708/owiredu-appointed-md-of-agc.html seems significant. It seems quite promotional, but I'm not sure if it's a press release. Again, reliability is unclear.
- Owiredu is the managing director of SAG
- He became managing director of ASC's Obuasi Mine
- He attended Adisadel College, Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology in Kumasi, University of Strathclyde
- He is a mechanical engineer
- He joined ASC as an engineer in 1984
- He became chief engineer underground after almost 17 years
- He helped with the AMEP, which helped turn ASC into a multinational company
- He became manager of ASC's Bibiani Gold Project in 1996
- "Experts" think his appointment is a good idea
- https://www.myjoyonline.com/daniel-owiredu-promoted-to-evpcoo-of-golden-star/ is insignificant and almost certainly a press release, just copy/paste the first paragraph into a google search
- Owiredu became EVP and COO of Golden Star on 1 January 2014
- He was president of the Ghana Chamber of Mines
- https://www.myjoyonline.com/executive-vice-president-of-golden-star-resources-daniel-owiredu-re-assigned/, https://www.classfmonline.com/business/Golden-Star-s-Daniel-Owiredu-steps-down-as-EVP-5014, and https://ghanaiantimes.com.gh/golden-star-announces-changes-to-management-team/, which count as a single source, are definitely not significant. They have the following information:
- I'll hold off on !voting for now.
- Regards, PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke • inspect) 10:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- My threshold for significant coverage will be "Can I write 50 words about Owiredu using this source?" Per the WP:SIZERULE, we should try to get stubs over 150 words. And I look for three reliable sources as a minimum unless there are two extraordinary sources. So 50 words per source.
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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Three stepping down as EVP sources | These seem like press releases. Several different publications have very similar wording but conflicting or absent indications of the original source. | Myjoyonline is the second-most trusted new website in Ghana, and there is no reason a press release would be wrong in this case. | The source does not discuss the subject in detail. | ✘ No |
Modern Ghana "GCB Board Chairman Accused" | Expresses criticisms, so probably not a press release. | Claims editorial oversight, cites the Daily Guide as its source. | Can't contribute as a unique source because it is based on the Daily Guide article. | ✘ No |
Daily Guide "GCB Board Chairman Hot" | Expresses criticisms, so probably not a press release. | Major newspaper, so hopefully reliable. | The article discusses the subject directly, especially towards the end, and with sufficient detail. | ✔ Yes |
Business Ghana "Accra Mining Network honours Daniel Owiredu" but see [16] for more information on source | Probably not if Accra Mining also published it. | If it's not independent, then it would be strange if it were unreliable. | Not enough encyclopedic information. | ✘ No |
Ghana Web "Daniel Owiredu is the mining personality of the Year 2017" | Claims that a journalist wrote this, no evidence of being a press release. | reliable enough on uncontroversial topics | The article discusses the subject directly and in detail. | ✔ Yes |
Modern Ghana "Owiredu appointed MD of AGC" | Cites Graphic, though I can't find the original source. | Claims editorial oversight, and assuming "Graphic" refers to the Daily Graphic, reliable | The article discusses the subject directly and in detail. | ✔ Yes |
My Joy Online "Daniel Owiredu promoted to EVP/COO of Golden Star" | Identical promotional articles are found all over the internet. | second-most trusted news website in Ghana | Not enough encyclopedic information. | ✘ No |
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- I think that's three sources contributing to meeting the general notability guideline. Keep. PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke • inspect) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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Appears wholly promotional and does not established WP:SUSTAINED notability. Amigao (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete clearly fails WP:NCORP. --Kej Keir (talk) 08:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: All the sources fail WP: GNG Ibjaja055 (talk) 10:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Very very promotional. Doesn't meet WP:NCORP. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Pure promo Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 13:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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All the sources Fail WP:GNG and WP: SIGCOV cannot be established. The sources are either primary sources like this and this. The rest were written by the news media she manages and they also lack WP: SIGCOV. Ibjaja055 (talk) 19:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: per nom and could not find sources FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - a lack of significant coverage independent of the subject. If you find anything deeper in the Internet, please ping me. Bearian (talk) 02:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Most sources are primary and are not independent of the subject. Fails WP:GNG Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 13:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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All the sources fail WP:GNG and cannot establish WP:SIGCOV of the subject. They are either puff piece, our story section, no single mention or or pass mentioned sources. Ibjaja055 (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Appears wholly promotional and does not established WP:SUSTAINED notability. Amigao (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete clearly fails WP:NCORP. --Kej Keir (talk) 08:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: All the sources fail WP: GNG Ibjaja055 (talk) 10:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Very very promotional. Doesn't meet WP:NCORP. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Pure promo Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 13:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Sources are PR pieces thus not meeting the general notability requirement Joseph4real1995 (talk) 12:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Keep - Subject clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, with a feature in Harper's Bazaar. Melmann 12:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Melmann. I've gone ahead and stubbified it to remove promotional content, but I agree that the subject meets WP:GNG. Note that there's an ongoing discussion about the reliability of Nigerian news media, which could be relevant. --Richard Yin (talk) 12:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article in Grazia is sigcov. pburka (talk) 17:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: The feature is in Harper's Bazaar Vietnam (published by a marketing company) and Grazia is actually the Philippines version. Are they considered equally reliable to the international editions? 🄻🄰 21:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक, are there specific reasons why they shouldn’t be considered reliable? I’m hoping that the reason is that they’re not published in the West. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I only raise the question. WP:RS requires a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. While Harper' Bazaar has that, I am not sure whether that applies to a different edition published by a separate entity (a marketing company). Do you have any reason to believe that it is reliable? 🄻🄰 07:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is reliable until you have shown evidence that it is not reliable. The burden of proof is on you. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:BURDEN says the opposite. Burden of proof is on you. I cannot prove a negative, you have to show that a source is reliable. 🄻🄰 16:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- No. You’re wrong. If you say that a source is not reliable because it’s published in Vietnam and Philippines, you need to show why you think so. You can’t just come and slap unreliability on a source because of the nation where it is published. If you don’t have a prove, then, I think we’re just running round. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. Harpers and Grazia are both "respected mainstream publications" (see WP:SOURCES), so it's up to LIA to show us that these editions are exceptional in some way. Neither publication is listed at WP:DEPS or WP:RSPSS. pburka (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- No. You’re wrong. If you say that a source is not reliable because it’s published in Vietnam and Philippines, you need to show why you think so. You can’t just come and slap unreliability on a source because of the nation where it is published. If you don’t have a prove, then, I think we’re just running round. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:BURDEN says the opposite. Burden of proof is on you. I cannot prove a negative, you have to show that a source is reliable. 🄻🄰 16:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is reliable until you have shown evidence that it is not reliable. The burden of proof is on you. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I only raise the question. WP:RS requires a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. While Harper' Bazaar has that, I am not sure whether that applies to a different edition published by a separate entity (a marketing company). Do you have any reason to believe that it is reliable? 🄻🄰 07:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक, are there specific reasons why they shouldn’t be considered reliable? I’m hoping that the reason is that they’re not published in the West. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete even if the local Vietnam edition of Harper, published by a marketing company, and the Philippine edition of Grazia are reliable sources, two PR articles is not enough 🄻🄰 18:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक’s discarding reliable sources due to the nationality from what I’m seeing. Sources in the article and in a WP:BEFORE are significant enough to meet the general notability guidelines. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 20:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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Both this article and Evans Akere are promotional while relying on WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA. The same creator wrote both and also added the brand to Fashion in Nigeria. 🄻🄰 18:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to Evans Akere. Most references are about Evans Akere. Not enough to make the brand notsable.Shinadamina (talk) 08:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- There's a deletion discussion about Akere. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note that the creator of the article lists the brand as a client on his Instagram profile which is linked from his Wikipedia profile... 🄻🄰 22:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - besides lacking significant coverage in reliable sources, there's a conflict of interest and nonsensical claims (luxury and ready-to-wear are incomprehensible). Bearian (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Not notable per WP:NCORP. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Both this article and Vanskere are promotional while relying on WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA. The same creator wrote both and also added the brand to Fashion in Nigeria 🄻🄰 18:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I see a little notablity but this is not yet ready for a standalone article. I would also say redirect to List of fashion designers if there is any support for it. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Sources all appear to be WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA 🄻🄰 17:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Sorry, I don't get it. This is a clear-cut WP:GNG pass. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Did you review the citations? They all seem to fail as reliable sources and appear promotional as per WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA. 🄻🄰 21:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I’ve reviewed ALL the sources and it is extremely bold to bundle ALL of them as unreliable because the tone seems to be promotional to you. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, which ones do you think are reliable? 🄻🄰 07:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Which ones do you think are not reliable? Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:BURDEN states that the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that they are reliable. Which ones do you think are reliable? 🄻🄰 16:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Due to discussion had elsewhere, I think your judgment is biased and would not discuss anything further with you. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 20:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:BURDEN states that the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that they are reliable. Which ones do you think are reliable? 🄻🄰 16:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Which ones do you think are not reliable? Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, which ones do you think are reliable? 🄻🄰 07:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I’ve reviewed ALL the sources and it is extremely bold to bundle ALL of them as unreliable because the tone seems to be promotional to you. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Did you review the citations? They all seem to fail as reliable sources and appear promotional as per WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA. 🄻🄰 21:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: there are enough reliable sources in the article to establish notability FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: Sounds a bit promotional, but clean up isn't deletion at all. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Daere Afonya-a Akobo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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With a puff piece like this, interviews like this and press release like this , all the sources fail WP:GNG. All the awards too are run-of-the-mills . Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Sigcov was only found in 1 reliable source, his awards are run-of-the-mill and he clearly fails GNG. Noah 💬 21:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Puff pieces as explained. Entrepreneur means self-employed in my mind, but he works for someone else. Working in sales and flow measurements, implies this is a CV. Oaktree b (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Sources to primary or unreliable sources. Independent sources available are not enough to meet the general notability criteria. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because in 2025, everyone knows that we are not LinkedIn. Bearian (talk) 02:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Being educated doesn't mean being notable. I am finding just been at many universities for education, and then, being the founder of a local organization. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bobo Ajudua (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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One major problem is that this creation is likely a paid contribution that is undisclosed. The citations are evaluated based on this version as follows;
Citation 1 is a paid promotional puff and also a falsehood, especially when it said Ajudua’s impact is particularly evident in his work with Davido. He played a key role as a co-writer for “NA MONEY,” a track from Davido’s Timeless album that features The Cavemen and Angelique Kidjo.
There is, as a matter of fact, no credit on anyone such as Bobo Ajudua if you check any of your streaming platforms for the single "Na Money" by Davido, and this alone is ridiculous and makes this whole thing iffy.
Citation 2 does is not only a paid puff but does not provide the substantial coverage we require to pass WP:GNG.
Citation 3 is not only an unreliable source, it lacks a byline and, even if it does have a byline, does not provide the substantial coverage required to satisfy WP:GNG.
Citation 4 is not only a run of the mill piece, it lacks a byline and fails WP:SIGCOV.
Citation 5 from marginally reliable Vanguard does nothing but promotes and praises the subject such that only one or two useful information is passed. Take a look at the ridiculous line breaks while scrolling through the piece.
Citation 6 is just like Citation 5 above, does nothing but praises the subject ridiculously such the nothing notable is passes as an information. Over the years, he has cultivated a reputation for his thorough understanding of corporate law, intellectual property, and entertainment law. His expertise ensures that artists, creatives, and brands are not only legally protected but also strategically positioned for sustainable growth.
What is the job of an entertainment lawyer? How is this anybody's business? What's notable about ensuring his clients are strategically positioned for sustainable growth?
Citation 7 is yet another paid puff about his brands that are doing nothing but their job, and in this context, lacks the substantial coverage required to satisfy WP:GNG for this subject.
People get sacked from their jobs everyday, what is notable about the subject being sacked?
What is Wikipedia's business with whether the father attended the subject's wedding or not?
Every other source I skipped are just as bad as the ones I already evaluated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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Delete. Subject hasn't suddenly become notable since the last time this was discussed. --Richard Yin (talk) 10:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Striking my vote since the reliability of Nigerian news outlets, which have covered the subject in some depth, is subject to an ongoing discussion in which I don't have an opinion. --Richard Yin (talk) 12:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Most of the sources here are used to verify informations and not as a means of promotion. There are sources which you have discarded simply because they were worded in a way that you do not like and I wonder when Wikipedia started dictating the tone of sources as I am fully aware that sources are allowed to be biased if they are reliable. The mix up in the PM News articles can be corrected with a simple mail to the editor (as it is standard procedure) and not my fault that the mix up occurred. I’ll present atleast three sources plus the fact that “Hmmm” which is a single in a Grammy nominated album "11:11 (Chris Brown album)" was co-written by Ajudua. This information was definitely not available in the last discussion. Ahola .O (talk) 18:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia started dictating the tone of sources
! since Wikipedia:Neutral point of view existed and plus this is not the place for trivia and gossip (see WP:NOTGOSSIP), like really, why would we care whether the father attended the subject's wedding or not.- This is a biographies of a living person, so we need to be even more careful when it comes to writing and sourcing. FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- WP:YESPOV shows that articles could be non-neutral and our responsibility as editors is to present these views as neutral as possible. When it comes to being biased, I believe articles can be biased too per WP:RSBIAS; unless I’m interpreting the policies wrong.
- The article about the father being absent is a celebrity article but I used it because it gives context into the married. Ahola .O (talk) 12:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- You are, in fact, misunderstanding and misinterpreting them. I couldn’t even comprehend what your view of NPOV and reliable sourcing is. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- What do you not understand? Every source must not follow Wikipedia’s policies as each outlets has its own style of writing. Again, I ask, are we dictating that the tone of sources even when they have bylines are no evidence that they were sponsored? I think you are the one who does not understand WP:NPOV here. Also, if there are promotionals tone that I must have mistakenly added, is deletion the avenue for it? Ahola .O (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- You are, in fact, misunderstanding and misinterpreting them. I couldn’t even comprehend what your view of NPOV and reliable sourcing is. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Sources show that the subject is notable.:
- Jonahakuso (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)— Jonahakuso (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Keep. There are sources that were not available in the last discussions. This one from PM News was published in April, 2023; this from Nigerian Tribune where they called him a pioneer] was published in 2022 and contrary to Vanderwaalforces that this is just passing mentions, this has some information on him; this from TheNEWS has an in-depth coverage on his company(ies). was published in July 2023; this from The Guardian was published in November 2023; this from Daily Times was published in 2024; This from Vanguard (which has been labelled a marginal reliable) has a byline and can be used to establish some notability. I believe that these sources meet the WP:GNG because 1) they are independent of the subject 2) has indepth coverage 3) are reliable 4) has demonstrated independent coverage. If anyone thinks otherwise, I would change my mind if there are evidence and not just there words ie some citations.
Ajudua is a co-writer of a Grammy nominated album 11:11 which meets WP:NCOMPOSER #1 and #4. This information is verifiable on every music streaming platform. Ahola .O (talk) 15:50, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that most of these sources taken together can arguably count as in-depth coverage, but I'd also like to note here that the reliability of most Nigerian news outlets is the subject of an ongoing discussion above my pay grade. I'll strike my vote above since I don't have an opinion on the reliability of these sources.
- I will point out though that the subject is not co-writer of a Grammy-nominated album, he is co-writer of one track on a Grammy-nominated album. Most of the co-writers listed in 11:11 (Chris Brown album) don't have articles. --Richard Yin (talk) 12:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The sources I had shown above shows that the Ajudua has coverages since 2022 or thereabout and I am sure that an extensive search will definitely show more.
- I am not basing the notability here with just the single track. I am showing that amongst the sources that they meet a criteria there also, atleast #1. Ahola .O (talk) 14:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Echoing my last !vote, nothing has changed since November when we last visited with an AFD about this person. I don't see notability based on the sources, which, as explained, are all puff or PR items. Oaktree b (talk) 00:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Oaktree b above. The new sources mentioned above appear to be simply fresh paid puff pieces and interviews, and being fired by a celebrity client is at best WP:BLP1E. His involvement in notable projects has been minor: for example, as noted above he co-wrote one song on an album nominated for a Grammy. None of this quite brings it over the line for WP:BIO. Wikishovel (talk) 19:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. This article and its sources fail to meet WP:BASIC in my opinion. Source 2 is an opinion, says so in the title. Source 3 does not exist. Source 5 sounds like ChatGPT; "Rather than simply promoting a product, he crafts strategic partnerships that align with the brand’s long-term goals." Source 6 seems to simply copy and paste the existing information in the WP article in question. The creator of this article seems to have some type of conflict (monetary or otherwise) as evidenced on his talk page, especially because this article has been in AfD before. All of this smells really bad to me hence my vote to delete promptly. Mamani1990 (talk) 02:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly not notable per WP:GNG; representing celebrities doesn't necessarily suit well or aims that he/she may be notable. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Nigeria proposed deletions
[edit]- Abeje (via WP:PROD on 6 November 2024)
- Yelorisami (via WP:PROD on 6 November 2024)
Nigeria miscellany for deletion
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Rwanda
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Somalia
[edit]- Abdihakim Arabow Ibrahim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Clearly fails WP:NPOL. Sources are single-event so a case of WP:BIO1E. GrabUp - Talk 19:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Two news articles are all I find. Being elected to a school board isn't notable, no matter what ethnicity he is. Does not meet NPOL. Would also not meet GNG as we don't have enough coverage in RS. Oaktree b (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:NPOL, as he has not received enough reliable, non-trivial coverage to fit the second criteria. Jordano53 22:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I'm someone who prefers we didn't delete so many articles but even by my standards there's not enough notable about this person. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm sympathetic to 'firsts' in political offices, but that's not the consensus. Bearian (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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South Africa
[edit]- Kerzner International (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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An article on a hospitality firm, recently edited to become an article in its own right after previously being a redirect to the article on the founder (no longer a suitable redirect target). Searches find routine listings, a recent item announcing user-submitted awards, and a corporate restructuring announcement, which are insufficient for WP:CORPDEPTH. Clearly a firm going about its business, but I am not seeing the coverage needed to demonstrate notability. AllyD (talk) 12:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Nande Mabala (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Sockpuppets and likely LOUTSOCK IPs are repeatedly eliminating a redirect, so instead of edit warring I am seeking an AfD consensus to establish a redirect to Miss South Africa 2023. The subject is not a pageant winner, and any notability she has appears to be WP:BLP1E for her placing in that pageant; the coverage that exists is WP:ROUTINE and there is no WP:SIGCOV for a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: Why redirect in the first place? Edit warring and sock are not ground for deletion. Deal with the users and IP adequately. I also don't think WP:BLP1E applies here. The subject is a model, just like how a musician can be a one hit wonder. She is clearly notable and discussed in multiple RS, meaning she pass WP:GNG. A simple Google search is enough, I'm not gonna try to reference the whole internet here. dxneo (talk) 11:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)- Can you supply the specific sources you believe constitute SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to pass GNG? I didn’t find any in my BEFORE, just mentions of her pageant career that didn’t go into substantial depth. P.S. Editor disagreements over a redirect are indeed a valid reason for an AfD discussion per WP:BLAR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Great! I think I'll be back here on the 30th. Can't perform a full search rn, but she did headline multiple RS. Ciao! dxneo (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can you supply the specific sources you believe constitute SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to pass GNG? I didn’t find any in my BEFORE, just mentions of her pageant career that didn’t go into substantial depth. P.S. Editor disagreements over a redirect are indeed a valid reason for an AfD discussion per WP:BLAR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have seen a lot of secondary reliable source with a significant coverage. I'm wondering how you nominated this article for deletion because what didn't tally with I knew on Wikipedia. [17], [18], [19], [20], [21] and [22] are enough to establish notability, as such it pass GNG [[Special:Contributions 102.91.92.110 (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC) — 102.91.92.110 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Nope, your first, second, and fourth sources are tabloid coverage, and per WP:SBST,
tabloid journalism is not significant coverage
. The third source is a Q&A interview and thus a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. The fifth source is not an journalistically independent publication; it's a local booster/hotel room magazine. The sixth source, while not a Q&A, is composed almost entirely of quotes from Mabala and appears to based solely on an interview with her and is thus also a primary source. We're not at the point of WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG yet. By the way, since this is the first time this IP address has edited Wikipedia, can I ask what accounts you've previously used? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)- I think we need to discuss this "interview is a primary source" thing, because that's where information normally comes from. If another publication quotes that interview, no one would say it's "primary". If the interview was published by a reliable source, then it's most definitely reliable. dxneo (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not on my laptop so not going to type a full reply, but between this recent long discussion thread and WP:INTERVIEWS, there’s a robust consensus that merely being interviewed does not make one notable and that any content that is entirely or almost entirely dependent on an interview with the subject is not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think we need to discuss this "interview is a primary source" thing, because that's where information normally comes from. If another publication quotes that interview, no one would say it's "primary". If the interview was published by a reliable source, then it's most definitely reliable. dxneo (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, your first, second, and fourth sources are tabloid coverage, and per WP:SBST,
- Cool, I'll comment on the notability of the subject in the next few days. dxneo (talk) 09:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to the sources mentioned above, there are feature articles about her in the Sowetan, Dispatch, Worcester Standard, Star, and IOL. Plus coverage in the Sunday Times. Sure, a lot of the content is from interviews with Mabala, but these are by no means straight Q&A and are about as hard-hitting as you can expect of journalism about beauty pageants. I doubt that many models would pass WP:GNG if only investigative journalism qualified as secondary sources for the purposes of establishing notability. Jlalbion (talk) 11:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the interest of not appearing to bludgeon the discussion I’ll refrain from further comments in this discussion, other than to say that I reviewed these additional sources in my BEFORE and did not find them to pass the bar of independence (as single source interviews) or of SIGCOV (as tabloid coverage). I don’t edit much on beauty pageants and perhaps there is a local consensus at AfD on sourcing for pageant participants that I’m unaware of, so I’ll let the community decide without further input. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While there is an apparent consensus to Keep, there are valid questions on whether or not sources provided supply SIGCOV. I think editors familiar with content creation know the limits of accepting interviews as secondary sources which depend on the content of the interview and if there is any independent content aside from the Q&A occurring.
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South Africa Proposed deletions
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Tanzania
[edit]- Rayah Kitule (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no mention in any source about this person, like at all. The article was PROD'ed but it was denied FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment. It was a BLP prod (twice) not a prod. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't find any sourcing about this person; only social media shows up. Blog posts used as sourcing don't help the article. Oaktree b (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, all I found were mirrors and social media that have not been updated in years. Does not meet ANYBIO or GNG. Jip Orlando (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Mwijaku (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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After observing the article being too promotional (still is), I moved the it back to draft space hoping for improvement that would follow a regular review at AFC but the original editor moved it back direct to the mainspace also nowhere in the references show subject's (important claims) like date of birth or number of children they have, where did the editor get them? That's WP: PROMOTIONAL, WP:COIEDIT and tries to use wikipedia as WP:SOAPBOX.
No any notable work listed show subject's importance, just a bunch of gossip blogs. Just a reminder, Wikipedia isn't a gossip blog/newspaper WP:NOTGOSSIP.
Refs: Only The Citizen is a reliable source, the rest are blogs that cannot be trusted on WP:BLP. ANUwrites 01:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - No indication of notability. --John B123 (talk) 20:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- As the editor of this article, I have made improvements by adding additional information from sources that I believe are credible. Please review it to see if it is satisfactory and help me by correcting any mistakes. 3L3V8D (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: As there is an unbolded Keep here, I don't think that a Soft Deletion is an option.
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Tunisia
[edit]- Battle of al-Qarn (1160) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. There is hardly any coverage of this battle in English-language sources. The sole English source cited does not reference "al-Qarn" and only briefly discusses hostilities between the Almohads and Arab tribes. The remaining four sources, which are in French, either briefly mention the fighting in passing or don't even mention "al-Qarn" at all. Skitash (talk) 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- It is an important battle in the history of the region at the time, same as the battle of Sebiba (which still dosent have an article, il think of maybe making) or the Battle of Haydaran the Battle is well described using the 1962 Book 'Berberie Orientale sous les Zirides' that describes most of the battles context. And the battle isnt as briefly explained, if its english sources that you need i will add more if you will let me move it back to a draft.
- Thank you Algerianeditor17 (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment.
There is hardly any coverage of this battle in English-language sources.
Not a valid deletion criterion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC) - Delete, as per nom; fails WP:GNG, in-passing mentions in the provided sources. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 13:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Uganda
[edit]- Kampala Sun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article has 8 references, all of which provide only passing mentions. Does not satisfy WP:SIGCOV in multiple RS. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: Beyond the 8 mention in the article with one being entirely about Kampala Suna, I found the news outlet mentioned in multiple other reliable sources like AllAfrica which mentions the EiC,
BBC,and countless mentions in the New Vision which is one of the biggest news organisations in Uganda FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)- @FuzzyMagma: Could you please elaborate on what the BBC article says about Kampala Sun? TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- My apologies, “sun” in Hausa means “central”. I confused Kampala Central with Sun. Comment deleted above FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Another thing as I was digging I found that a Kampala Sun article was used as an evidence by the International Criminal Court during Dominic Ongwen trial FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- More, the self-published book UgLish: Dictionary of Ugandan English by Ugandan analysts Bernard Sabiiti mentions “Kampala Sun , written by Jay Pinto is one of the most popular gossip columns in the tabloid press in Uganda” in page 34. Similar passage was written in Africa An Encyclopedia of Culture and Society, 3 Volumes
- It was mentioned in Insights Into Uganda published by Fountain Publishers FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @FuzzyMagma: Could you please elaborate on what the BBC article says about Kampala Sun? TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- List of investment banks in Uganda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Disputed PROD. Fails WP:NLIST. No independent reliable sources that establish notability of the list (especially regarding investment banks specifically) as a whole. Also most entries are not notable with most of the ones having entries being about the parent company instead.
We already have a general list per List of investment banks. I also cannot see why this country gets a specific list for investment banks while most other countries have their investment bank list as a category instead. Imcdc Contact 11:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to List of banks in Uganda. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 03:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge blue-linked only entries to List of banks in Uganda. Ajf773 (talk) 09:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with List of banks in Uganda: bit of an odd and unnecessary list FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- HiveColab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 06:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Under Hive Colab there are multiple sources that support notability, see New Vision, Independent, AsiaTechDaily, Nile Post, Pctechmag, and BBC FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources but after looking at them, I do not feel comfortable using these to establish notability. My initial comment is the article is about HiveColab while the focus on a lot of these articles is about YSAU (Youth Startup Academy Uganda) which is one of the accelerator programs under it. Per WP:NOTINHERITED while they are related, we cannot use the program alone to cover for the organization above it and HiveColab should be able to stand by itself. Also something irking me is how promotional the whole thing seems. I see mention of co-founder Barbara Birungi and judging by the state of her article, it feels like there is some PR campaign being held for her (and possibly her firm) on the internet. Anyway:
- New Vision: There seems to be a related press release for this here. This is reporting on a ceremony for YSAU, a program under Hive Collab rather than Hive Collab itself. Half of it are just promotional quotes by related parties. If you look at the remaining content, most of it looks very similar to the press release. Edit: ITC states it is involved in implementing YSAU so it’s a related party. The press release from Hive Collab is here which has similar wording content.
- Independent: First thing I noticed is this article is not authored to an individual. There's another site with the exact same content here so I’m wondering if this is just a form of a press release. The focus is on Ugandan startups signing deals at Gitex in Morocco. The focus is not on Hive Collab but the entrepreneurs under it. The latter half of the article can be ignored since not about Hive Collab. So taking out the quotes, its pretty much a non-notable entity named Dain Leaders Corporation signing an MOU with Hive Collab and the supposed benefits in a press release manner.
- AsiaTechDaily: Non-notable entity GCCEI signs an MOU with Hive Collab. That's kinda it. While it is authored, it seems like a regurgitated press release of a routine deal given how short it is and the language used.
- NilePost: This one does seem to be more than a press release (I think). But in my view looking at it, the main focus is on YSAU companies attending Gitex in Morocco with a chance to show themselves. There doesn’t seem to be much analysis on Hive Collab itself. Edit: Here is the original press release, the 15 YSAU startups are directly copied so the source is now much weaker.
- PC Tech: There seems to be a related press release (or update as called) for this here. This article is not authored to an individual. Another ceremony of people from YSAU graduating. Large chunks of it are just kinda copied from the press release.
- BBC: Very brief mention of Hive Collab and in fact seems to be more on Barbara Birungi herself.
- So looking at all of them, they fail WP:SIRS in my view. To save time just give the best three independent in-depth sources going forward. - Imcdc Contact 05:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- You should be clear when you say a press release to indicate how did you come to that conclusion.
- All of what you labelled as a “press release” is either not a press release by the organisation, see New Vision or is not one at all, see Nile Post. And I am not sure who did you dismiss the mention by the BBC. This organisation is not in Global West, it is in Uganda and still mentioned by the BBC. FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, I have updated the above analysis.
- See WP:PRSOURCE. A press release doesn’t need to directly come from Hive Colab. It can come from an affiliated party. We know ITC is affiliated because it itself says the YSAU is implemented by ITC, Hive Collab and several other parties. So no independence there. WP:PRSOURCE also mentions how less reputable news sources will write an article based on a press release which we are seeing here in examples of churnalism. Btw I have found some of the press releases by Hive Collab and updated above based on it. For example we can see now that Nile Post has indeed copied a chunk out of a press release.- Imcdc Contact 12:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Mention in books:
- The Bright Continent published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
- Digital Divides published by Taylor & Francis.
- Innovate for agriculture published by CTA.
- Empowering African Women Entrepreneurs in the Fashion Industry published by Springer International.
- Citizen-Driven Innovation published by the World Bank.
- UNESCO Science Report published by UNESCO.
- Disruptive Technologies, Innovation and Development in Africa published by Springer International.
- Africa’s Development Dynamics 2021 published by the African Union.
- FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if its because Google Books is cutting off my access to see the whole thing, but almost everything seems to be a very short mention. A lof seem to be just something like this: ilab (Liberia), Hive Collab (Uganda), Etrilabs (Benin)... and thats it. The only one that offers more is the UNESCO one. But its just one short section giving very general (and sort of generic) description of Hive Collab. I don't think this is enough to meet WP:SIGCOV for an WP:NCORP subject. Imcdc Contact 11:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources but after looking at them, I do not feel comfortable using these to establish notability. My initial comment is the article is about HiveColab while the focus on a lot of these articles is about YSAU (Youth Startup Academy Uganda) which is one of the accelerator programs under it. Per WP:NOTINHERITED while they are related, we cannot use the program alone to cover for the organization above it and HiveColab should be able to stand by itself. Also something irking me is how promotional the whole thing seems. I see mention of co-founder Barbara Birungi and judging by the state of her article, it feels like there is some PR campaign being held for her (and possibly her firm) on the internet. Anyway:
- Abayima (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NORG. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 06:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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DeleteMerge with Jon Gosier: Plenty of sources, but no sustained coverage. All the coverage is in the context of their "Open SIM Kit" after they got funding from the Knight News Challenge in January 2013, but it seems like the project fizzled out pretty quickly. Most coverage is from January. The latest source I could find was from August 2013. This source is a trade publication, which should be given less weight due to WP:TRADES. Their GitHub repo was last updated in September 2013. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)- Soft Delete : Fails WP:ORG and lacks SIGCOV.Gauravs 51 (talk)
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