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Bali

Thank you for your edit to Narasimhaswamy Temple, Namakkal. Could I ask you to also have a look at the {{disambiguation needed}} tags I added to Narada Bhakti Sutra and Waneshwar Mahadev Temple? because they too need an expert to resolve. Narky Blert (talk) 23:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Done. Feel free to ask me again if you ever have such doubts. Venkat TL (talk) 06:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I've remembered another one - Gireesh Sahdev. The cast list in Paramavatar Shri Krishna lists the role, but doesn't link it. Narky Blert (talk) 09:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Done. These were easier for me than the former. Venkat TL (talk) 10:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Applause! (Bali had collected over 20 bad links, those were the too-difficult ones for me.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Narky Blert I will be happy to to verify if you want a second look at a guess. I received a ping by you from the disambiguation project page. It looked like some work in progress collaboration page. I could not understand if there was any action item for me and assumed that it was just a thank you note. Do let me know if there was any action item for me to look on that page. Venkat TL (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that was just a thank-you (and also a heads-up to other project members in case they come across a problem in your area). Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

A link to a DAB page

Another problem with which you may be able to help: the link to DAB page Maruta in Bharata (Mahabharata). My guess is Maruts, but I wouldn't be surprised to be wrong. Narky Blert (talk) 14:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Your guess is absolutely correct. With experience you are getting good at the guessing. Glad to help. Venkat TL (talk) 17:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2021

Hello,
WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2021 is going on at this moment. The India WikiProject has a backlog of around 10,000 unassessed articles, built up over the last few years. The time has come for comprehensive housekeeping and that's what this drive is all about. The drive will run from 1 September 2021 to 30 September 2021.

We request you to participate in the assessment drive. Learn more about the event here, learn assessment process and rewards details. Please add your name as a participant here.

Feel free to discuss this on the event talk page or at WikiProject India noticeboard.

You received this message, because you participated in earlier iteration of the assessment drive, or we felt that you may be interested to participate. --Titodutta (talk) 04:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Done.

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Venkat TL

Thank you for creating Badanpur, Narwana.

User:MPGuy2824, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

try to search for this village in https://censusindia.gov.in/pca/Searchdata.aspx and use that url as a ref

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MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 thanks for the suggestion. I have added that site. Venkat TL (talk) 06:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Uvari

Hi Venkat TL Please do not remove the content. My native is Uvari, i know the place well. Like how many schools, banks etc. Uvari is rich in mineral resources like limestone, Ilmenite, and red garnet sands. . This report is Government of Tamil Nadu, Department of Geology and Mining. do u think this is un Reliable source. please don't remove. User:MrShortCircuit

References

Please respond at Talk:Uvari --Venkat TL (talk) 05:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

"Wanasur" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wanasur. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 19#Wanasur until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

replied. Venkat TL (talk) 05:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

P N Oak

Why are you asking? Have I done something wrong? like adding Wikipedia:Reliable sources for books MrShortCircuit (talk) 14:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@MrShortCircuit, replied at Talk:P. N. Oak. Venkat TL (talk) 06:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Alert regarding Indian articles

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Tag and Assess 2021

Please take a look at this. Are these the results you were missing in your number? If not, then please send me an assessment edit of yours which was not in your number, so that i can figure out a good query to capture it too. Thanks. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824, Thanks. This certainly helps count some of the manual entries missed by the original query. There are still some manual edits that are not made by Rater and yet have the word assess in the edit summary. Take this for example. May be an OR statement with this criteria can cover all the cases. Venkat TL (talk) 08:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I've updated the query. Now it is showing 716 results for you, including Ngangom_Mohendra. You can fork the query and save it (publish). That way you can update your number in the Tag&Assess page whenever you like. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 Yes, that looks like the more accurate number of my assessments. Thanks a lot for helping to tweak it for me. Venkat TL (talk) 08:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Why

Hi I am User: Cactinites I don't understand why you have done this edit [1] as the image was clear and the image also not broke any Copyright rules. Cactinites (talk) 10:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cactinites, I have already explained it in the edit summary. The pic you added was 5 years old and has a watermark. We should not promote commercial websites through watermarked pics. If you disagree then start a thread on the talk page of the article and seek consensus to choose among the two pics for the infobox. Venkat TL (talk) 11:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Ayodhya Airport

Sir, please look at the wiki page Ayodhya Airport. It definitely need some expert's attention, for it's name to the outdated section of Recent efforts. Thanks. 2409:4063:4C9E:1926:4DD6:6063:9F30:C2E6 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@2409:4063:4C9E:1926:4DD6:6063:9F30:C2E6, Hi I think the name is appropriate. You can make a request regarding the name on Talk:Ayodhya Airport Venkat TL (talk) 17:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Puneet kumar

How is puneet kumar dai 2401:4900:4E15:650A:D7AA:ABF7:6025:F3DB (talk) 10:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Read Puneeth Rajkumar#Personal life and death Venkat TL (talk) 10:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Faculty of Law, University of Lucknow

Kindly review Draft Faculty of Law, University of Lucknow. Parantak.yadav (talk) 20:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Replied on Draft_talk:Faculty_of_Law,_University_of_Lucknow--Venkat TL (talk) 12:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Puneeth Rajkumar

On 1 November 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Puneeth Rajkumar, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 00:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Jai Bhim

The SI Gurumurthy character is described as 'Dalit' in plot. Please remove it as it is unwarranted. 2409:4040:E1E:C6E4:38B8:2E02:E494:E498 (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@2409:4040:E1E:C6E4:38B8:2E02:E494:E498, I have removed it here. In future, please make such edit requests on the talk page of article, so that it gets fixed quickly. If you make a wikipedia account you will be able to do it yourself. Venkat TL (talk) 15:07, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced content cannot be merged?

Hello Venkat TL! Here you said that unsourced content cannot be merged. I don't see anything about this in WP:AFDR, nor in the broader Guide to deletion, nor in WP:MERGE. You might want to consider striking that comment? Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Apaugasma: Please sign your post. You should check WP:UNSOURCED to understand my point. --Venkat TL (talk) 17:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Oops, I typed one tilde too much there .

I think you misunderstand WP:UNSOURCED. It says that all content must be verifiable, not that all content must be verified. If a source is presumed to exist (e.g., for everything that is WP:BLUESKY), unsourced text can stay as long as it is not challenged. Only when unsourced material is challenged does WP:BURDEN come into play.

Now that's theory. But in practice, a lot of unsourced stuff is dealt with rather leniently on this project: it is often not challenged, the expectation being that other editors will add the appropriate citations. Compare, e.g., the practice of adding {{citation needed}} tags: if everything unsourced would need to be removed on sight, it would actually be against policy to add such tags.

This may seem confusing, but the verifiability policy does not actually prohibit editors from adding unsourced stuff. It only prohibits them from reinstating it after it has been challenged. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Apaugasma from what I have seen at AfDs, I am 100% sure that you are not going to find any admin who will merge the unsourced content to the target article. May be it is better if you discuss this with an admin. Here are some important quotes that I want to highlight from WP:UNSOURCED check the underlined part.

• All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material,

• Do not leave unsourced or poorly sourced material in an article if it might damage the reputation of living people or existing groups, and do not move it to the talk page. You should also be aware of how Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons applies to groups.

References

If you still disagree with my comment, well then, we will have to live with our disagreements. I am not changing my comment and I don't have anything more to say here. I dont want to argue further over this on this page. Venkat TL (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Venkat TL, I think that what you are saying does not describe how the policy is applied in practice, even though I would actually very much like it to be applied rather more that way. I may well be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time. I certainly don't want to hassle you, and I'm truly sorry if I gave you that impression. Cheers! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Apaugasma No, I am not hassled. It is just this topic which is clearly subjective and boring, hence dont want to debate further. You are always welcome to post here. Cheers. Venkat TL (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Completely changed my mind in WP:AFD Leomk (Don't shout here, Shout here!) 04:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Good to know that my comments convinced you. --Venkat TL (talk) 12:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Simran Kaur (makeup artist)

Hello, I found your message on talk page, but I have not taken any payment for it. But the person who recommended this article to me handles her PR. What should I do next? Raahi Articles (talk) 13:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Raahi Articles: Since you were contacted by her PR team, I believe there is an association. I am not so sure what you have to do in this situation. Please ask the same question at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and the admins there will guide you, on what you need to do next. Thanks. --Venkat TL (talk) 13:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

New message from Stifle

Hello, Venkat TL. You have new messages at Stifle's talk page.
Message added 16:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Stifle (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Replied. --Venkat TL (talk) 19:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Rajam Pushpavanam

Rajam Pushpavanam page : I do not know why you reverted the info about her quitting singing. It comes from her son at a discussion forum. I found one more page with that info, so I am quoting that source as well. If it is still reverted, that is the loss of wiki which is not accepting info which is in public domain, and whose neutrality is not in dispute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8981:7460:D5EF:C905:6262:6671 (talk) 08:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@2601:646:8981:7460:D5EF:C905:6262:6671. I noted the reason in my Edit summary. I have reverted it, as discussion forums are not considered a Reliable source to add information on Wikipedia. Any user can claim to be XYZ on a discussion forum and make wide ranging claims. I hope you understand the problem in adding such controversial claims to Wikipedia. If the information is correct, I believe you will be able to find books or magazines stating the same information and then it will not be reverted. You can add the information with the reliable source as a reference. Your past edits are saved in the Page history of the article. Venkat TL (talk) 08:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Banbirpur moved to draftspace

Villages are almost always considered notable subjects, however this article lacks any sources by which other editors can verify. I've moved this article to draft to give you more time to improve it. Add some sources, ad then you can resubmit it.

User:Salimfadhley please sign your posts. I knew that and that is why I started the article. As you can see here the article already had sources. You moved it within minutes. Where was the time to add reference? This is not done and against the rules I think, since the article at the time of moving already had sources. I was edit conflicted while adding more reference. Please use your time to review older (than few hours) articles in the list instead of ones that are being actively edited. I have submitted it. Since the article at the time of moving already had sources, I believe your move was wrong and should be reverted. Because of this more volunteer time will now be wasted. --Venkat TL (talk) 11:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Salimfadhley you might want to try NotSoFast tool Venkat TL (talk) 11:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bipin Rawat

On 8 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Bipin Rawat, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 19:13, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Why are you deleting data of bipin rawat 2409:4043:2287:1212:34E1:982:A79B:4FB (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Please make a comment on Talk:Bipin Rawat. I have already explained there. Venkat TL (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy

Hello! Your submission of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SL93 (talk) 01:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)`

Your submission at Articles for creation: Banbirpur has been accepted

Banbirpur, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Venkat TL

Thank you for creating Banbirpur.

User:MPGuy2824, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

the village doesn't exist with this name in https://censusindia.gov.in/pca/Searchdata.aspx. Please search for the name that the census site uses and add the demographic data from there.

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AfD Comment

Regarding your comment here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bandhana yoga

@Praemonitus, due to reasons unknown to me, Astrology does not show up in the option when nominating articles on AfD. Please help. Venkat TL (talk) 09:27, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. All you need to do is follow the instructions here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Astrology. Praemonitus (talk) 15:06, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Praemonitus Goto Urmila Devi Dasi or any existing article and click XfD on Twinkle. In the AfD window, Choose deletion sorting categories. Type Astro. You will only find Astronomy and not Astrology. I dont understand why Astrology is missing there, when it exists. Is it just me or are you seeing the same? Venkat TL (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't use Twinkle, but it sounds like some sort of update is needed. Perhaps it can be addressed on WT:TW? Praemonitus (talk) 18:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Praemonitus, good idea. I have posted there. Venkat TL (talk) 19:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

IP

Thanks for the kind note, Fiddle. Girth Summit did the needful. Thanks both of you. Venkat TL (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record, I tend not to feel that revdel is really necessary for insults of that sort - I recognise that it's unpleasant, but my feeling is that it's better just to revert and forget about it; I would usually reserve revdel for racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever hate speech. However, this is your talk page, and whoever that was was particularly unpleasant, so I'm happy to make an exception. I think I've caught all the accounts/IPs now, and the page protection should prevent any continuation - if you see anything else, or if they come back when the protection expires, please let me know. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit understood. It was very sexist and no one should be reading it, so I asked. Will try to ignore in future. Venkat TL (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I take a view on insults. See my own talk page header. I prefer them on public display that others may know the calibre of the people who insult them Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 18:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

You did the right thing in asking - if something makes you uncomfortable, you are always welcome to ask. I'm just letting you know for future reference really - before my RfA, there were a number of times when I requested revdel and had it declined because the diff wasn't offensive enough, and it took me quite a while to get attuned to the level of unpleasantness that the community feels warrants it. It's always a judgment call though, and different admins call things like that differently, so don't ever feel that you shouldn't ask. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and Timtrent is absolutely right - someone willing to type that says a lot about themselves, and nothing whatsoever about you. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit Wikipedia often requires skin thicker than battleship plate armour, but I do prefer to display the abuse that bounces off. I feel it shines as a beacon against ordure. I have been known to thank someone for their insult. A fine sense of humour and self knowledge is needed to have a long career in this pleasant hobby. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 19:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I created a userbox on my talk page for one particularly amusing bit of abuse I received - vandals are generally very uncreative, that particular example made me smile, and I would like to shake the person who did it by the hand one day. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit I see. I just read the WP:REVDEL to understand its applicability. It says it is applicable to offensive slurs. But I agree folks may disagree on the red line of offensiveness. (In this case, I believe everyone who knows that word, would agree it is applicable.) Saw that userbox on your page, . @Timtrent I saw your talk page note. Interesting forewarning. However speaking for myself, I feel these troll obnoxiousness should be cleaned, as it does not do anyone any good, These garden variety troll if they are watching should understand that it is pointless as they are just going to be reverted. Leaving it is only going to waste everyone's time who look at it and it might increase their blood pressure. Venkat TL (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes - offensive slurs are definitely covered. However, that is generally understood to mean hate speech about a particular section of society. So, I would revdel and block without warning anyone directing hate-speech towards their fellow editors: sorry for the offensiveness of this list, but I'm talking about words like paki, nigger, bitch, whore, fag, poofter etc. More general insults, like idiot, asshole, cunt, fuckwit, and so on - my impression is that the community feels they don't warrant revdel, they just get reverted and forgotten about. That's just my view - other people may interpret the wording of the policy differently - but my view has been built up over several years, and informed by discussions with quite a few different admins both prior to and since my RfA. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Understood. This makes it more clearer. I am indeed grateful to you for explaining me about the intricacies of the community viewpoint, based on your years of experience. Venkat TL (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Those on my talk page are auto-archived after a few days. In the intervening period they show the issuer for who they are Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 19:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Kairakairav

Kairakairav (talk · contribs)

Hi. Do you think this user is a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Yashthakurkamail ? — DaxServer (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer Here is what I can see. His second last sock tried to blank the SPI report 12 mins after its filing. he was reverted and later blocked. [2] His last sock was reported and within 20 mins of filing SPI, Kairakairav was created. Kairakairav is also editing the same articles. Although so far there has not been a duck test diff. @Oshwah did you run the check user last time? It is not clear if you ran. @Girth Summit Is this tenuous evidence actionable for filing SPI? Venkat TL (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Venkat TL - I did not run a check for that particular SPI report. If I had, there would've been details about what I found (or didn't find). ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Oshwah indeed. Well then, that is another reason in favour of this Kairakairav being a sock. Venkat TL (talk) 20:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi - the short answer is that if you have suspicions, raise a case. There is no penalty if the concerns aren't supported - I mean, if you were filing baseless accusations every day that would be a problem, but I'm not aware of any issues with your SPI filings. There's no need to ask a CU to pre=judge the evidence before filing; indeed, having a formal case raised in public is preferable to responding in semi-private on a user talk page, for several reasons. I don't guarantee that I'll look at the case myself, but that's kind of the point: any clerk or CU can pick it up, examine the evidence, and act upon it. Hope that makes sense. Girth Summit _(blether) 00:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks GS. Understood. May be I will wait some more to be more sure that this is Yashthakurkamail. CC @Tamzin, see how your removal of CU request tag in the last report impacted this case. A CU would have got this new one too, had it been run last time. Venkat TL (talk) 05:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I went ahead and filed it since there is another duck sock too. Venkat TL (talk) 06:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy

Hello! Your submission of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:34, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

About bulli bai article

Hi, I was notified that you reverted my edit because it was unsourced. I did not source it because it was already mentioned in the vice article.

The article says >Police have linked the creators of both apps to the online alt-right group “Trads” that derives inspiration from neo-Nazi online movements. Krutarth28 (talk) 16:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Krutarth28, That is a word without any meaning. Either define the word or leave it. Dont just add it and leave people wondering. Venkat TL (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: Ah, understood. Thank you! Krutarth28 (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Krutarth28, I have now defined the word and added it there. Please take a look. You can expand and improve it. Venkat TL (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Our Hindu Rashtra

On 14 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Our Hindu Rashtra, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the book Our Hindu Rashtra claims that India is a de facto Hindu-majoritarian state? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Our Hindu Rashtra. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Our Hindu Rashtra), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for reverting all those Brahmic script additions! Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy to volunteer my help.--Venkat TL (talk) 08:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for To Kill a Democracy

On 22 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article To Kill a Democracy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to the book To Kill a Democracy, when democracies destroy their social foundations, they lay the foundations for despotism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/To Kill a Democracy. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, To Kill a Democracy), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Punjab Assembly Election 2022

Why You are removing SSM and SSP Candidates From List Tejasvi 3094 (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Tejasvi 3094, I have already explained my position. Please read and discuss this on Talk:2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election/Archive 1#Should Sanyukt Samaj Morcha be added into the list of major candidates. Venkat TL (talk) 17:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I think you have accidentally deleted the column of NDA candidates in the page while reverting SSP candidates. Just restore this version for NDA candidates. Dhruv edits (talk) 20:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I have done it. Dhruv edits (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I have replied there. --Venkat TL (talk) 13:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dhruv edits, if you have any other points that would like to post in that thread please post. Venkat TL (talk) 12:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Plz add nda candidates in Punjab election 2022 pge 2405:204:1281:9D48:B9F1:EE86:B1D5:5303 (talk) 12:13, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Please read the comment on Talk:2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election/Archive 2#Should NDA be added into the list of major candidates Venkat TL (talk) 12:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case against Krishika Sahni

@Venkat TL: sir I've filed a sockpuppetry case against Krishika Sahni and her sockpuppets Swikrati Srivastava, Adoringparas and an IP user 3 days back. As they were continuously doing fan edits on actor Paras Kalnawat's article which lead his article to be nominated for deletion. Kindly review the case and take strict action against Krishika and her sockpuppets. Also please review the article for deletion discussion page of Paras Kalnawat. I'm providing link to both pages: [3] [4] Pri2000 (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000, Good decision in filing the sock puppet case. Wait for the admin to comment. I will not be able to participate in the Kalnawat AfD as others will claim that I am WP:CANVASed user. However you need not worry, as other contributors will decide and act. Venkat TL (talk) 18:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: thanks sir Pri2000 (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pri2000 sorry to see that you were harassed by that Prince user. You should have reported the harassment long ago. I dont understand what is the relevance of Krishika Sahni on this thread. Is Krishika Sahni related to Yashthakurkamail by anyway? Venkat TL (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

That editor Gari897 did the same fan activity by using words "Has Huge Fan Following" exactly like Krishika used to do earlier by using "Crowned as Instagram King of the week by Tellychakkar" . Krishika Sahni has 3 more socks. One is Adoringparas who used to add unnecessary nicknames. Other being Swikrati Srivastava and one IP user. All of them does same edits on Paras Kalnawat's page including removal of his personal life section, removal of link related to his father's death, unnecessarily adding his previous roles which even after being his lead roles weren't notable as his current role in Anupamaa. Even they removed the reference which proved as a reliable source which proved his birth year as 1996. His article has been proposed to deletion by Princepratap1234 and I voted in Keep favour. However new user Gari897's comment's initial lines were little bit similar to mine comment. I didn't paid attention at that time. Just left a welcome message for her which I usually do for new editors. However as soon as I came to know about that Prince accused me of sockpuppetry I asked that user to change her content. As it can lead both of us to be blocked. However Prince again started misbehaving with me so I filed case against him on the basis of evidences present in my talk page's editing history. Soon after he started troubling me more. In evening I observed Gari897's further lines and came to a conclusion that it's Krishika Sahni and I've been accused for no reason. Pri2000 (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright. Since this case has nothing to do with yashthakurkamail or Karna, I have created another section. Pri2000 be on the lookout for new users showing similar behavior, the blocked socks may return with new accounts. if you have enough evidence you can then file the new sock puppet case if they return. Venkat TL (talk) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Sir that user Prince is now harrassing me with new IP on my Wikimedia commons also. I haven't removed that message right now. And added his new IP on his currently running case alsoPri2000 (talk) 14:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Pri2000 since your comment was not related to Yashthakurkamail, so I have moved your comment to this thread. Yes, reporting the new IP is the right thing to do. If you want you can make a request on WP:RFPP to protect your talk page, so that the IP and new users cannot post there for somedays. A similar request can also be placed for review by Commons Administrators. Dont respond to harassment messages. Just ignore and leave it. If it is abusive, revert and ask for page protection. Soon he will get tired. Venkat TL (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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Rama-Vivekananda sockfarm

See Talk:Teachings and philosophy of Swami Vivekananda#Unsourced. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Joshua Jonathan, thanks for the note. Venkat TL (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

More socks of Yashthakurkamail

Do you think these are Rajwant49 (talk · contribs) and Sharon Githirwa (talk · contribs) as well? — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 14:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer yes, both. 49 is his fav number. [5] and [6] [7] Venkat TL (talk) 14:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

"Krishna learns from Karna and through his Yoga make the knowledge of Gita" huhh... This racket doesn't seem to stop anytime soon :/ — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 14:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I dont understand what the point is in doing all this. This obsession needs some medical help. Especially when you know that all such edits would be reverted by watchers. There are some UPE concerns too, but this one obsession about Karna is just mind boggling. After a few sock edits are reverted Page protection is the way to proceed. I see no other way. After so many reports, I have become bored. If an admin denies a match, I will just leave it. Venkat TL (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I can relate to you right now. I'm getting a bit tired too. — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 14:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

Sorry to butt in, but can someone please get the Mahabharata pages protected? Some people are constantly vandalizing adding weird stuff about Karna. One guy is adding Russian pages and vandalizing Mahabharata pages simultaneously. His talkpage topic Jan 2022 shows, blocked user Sid responding on his behalf. Not sure what is going on.

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC))

@Panchalidraupadi, not sure which user talk page you are talking about. But yes, there seems to be someone with the mental age of a teen, doing disruptive edits repeatedly and returns with socks on getting blocked. His edits on Karna and Mahabharat related articles are nonsensical and easy to spot. Just revert them when you see and report the page for protection on WP:RFPP. You can enable the tool WP:TWINKLE from settings, preference. Twinkle will make reverts and page protection request easier. Venkat TL (talk) 17:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: Thanks. I was referring to Talk:Ilyadante/January_2022 where blocked user Sid was replying on his behalf.Panchalidraupadi (talk) 18:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok. you are probably referring to [8] Sid was a sock clearly. Venkat TL (talk) 18:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: Yes. I see now those comments by Sid have been removed. (Panchalidraupadi (talk) 18:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC))

I now intend to post in ANI and get a wider attention for the ongoing saga. Will ping from there. — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 13:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer ok. Some more page watchers will be good for the case. It is getting complicated lately. I will stay away from posting at ANI. It already has much more experienced users and admins. Venkat TL (talk) 13:39, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer, Pri2000 filed the recent Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kairakairav. I was suspecting this to be Yashthakurkamail. Since they are not merged, it was probably due to different CU data. Noting down the new case page for future reference.Venkat TL (talk) 13:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the update! — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 13:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL @Panchalidraupadi FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#LTA sockpuppetry, puffery of Karna of Mahabharata — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 19:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit, @Bbb23. The ANI case for your reference. Venkat TL (talk) 17:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC).

N1234567 User:Just another Wikipedian editor

• DaxServer any idea which sockpuppeteer this User:Just another Wikipedian editor is? I was suspicious. Venkat TL (talk) 16:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  That was of N1234567 (talk · contribs), just confirmed a couple of hours ago. Do you think it's related to Karna? — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 17:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  @DaxServer No. I just re-used this thread Since we were talking about socks. "Just another Wikipedian editor" was doing Anti yashthakur edits like these [9]. So I guess probably someone from the rival gang. Venkat TL (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  I don't know how J.a.W.e. stumbled upon this gang, even in one of the edit summaries, my compilation page User:DaxServer/Karna disruption was mentioned as well [10]. Perhaps one of the pages is on the watchlist and saw one of our reverts and followed along. I'm guessing there'll be a new account soon. — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 18:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  You are right. He probably stumbled upon and tried to help. I have not come across either of them. Just saw JaWe's anti sock reverts and was curious to know about his origin as the blocking admin did not mention any case page. Thanks for the reply. Venkat TL (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  It was after a report at AE Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Just another Wikipedian editor — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 18:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks for the case page. Wasn't aware of it either. I have split this section for future reference.--Venkat TL (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Price of the Modi Years

Hello! Your submission of Price of the Modi Years at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Rajeev Kumar Singh (Dariyabad politician)

There is some confusion regarding his birth date. Per http://uplegisassembly.gov.in/Members/main_members_en.aspx#/Data/12267/16 his birth date is 25 December 1952 but many other WP:RS like https://m.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/lucknow-city-senior-samajwadi-party-leader-and-ex-minister-raja-rajeev-kumar-singh-passes-away-22426705.html states that he died at the age of 65. I am discussing with you about this because you are the creator of this page and you can use the Assembly website to expand it. Pachu Kannan (talk) 03:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pachu Kannan Thanks for raising this, I have included your link. But why are you posting this here and not on Talk:Rajeev Kumar Singh (Dariyabad politician)? Please read WP:OWNTALK. Please discuss article content on Article talk page, and ping me from there. Venkat TL (talk) 06:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Protection of page

Reduce some protection for 2022 Punjab lagislative aseembly elections ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 01:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ I have no such powers to do what you are asking me. Page protection log is here for your reference. [11]Venkat TL (talk) 04:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 2021 Chandigarh Municipal Corporation election

Hello! Your submission of 2021 Chandigarh Municipal Corporation election at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

What does "Link Legislative Assembly constituencies to Geographical City article" mean exactly?

Can you explain it a bit on Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian politics/Open tasks/Constituencies? Add an example diff that you've done, so that people can see if they are interested. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824, I mean Karnal city must have a section called politics with a link to Karnal VS and LS constituencies. This will help the reader who are not aware that VS and LS article exists to be able to easily find them. Venkat TL (talk) 10:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 I have added the diff here as you requested. Venkat TL (talk) 10:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Seems doable. From the Karnal example, I'll assume that you are doing Punjab. If you haven't finished Goa, then i can start on that tomorrow. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Facepalm Karnal is in Haryana, not Punjab, but i don't think you've started on Goa, so i'll call dibs on that. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 yes, it is Haryana. I was looking at CM's constituency, when I found it missing. I just updated a few random pages. Please feel free to start wherever you feel like. May be mark the Open task page as 'done upto XYZ' so that I will choose something else among the remaining ones. What does dibs mean? Venkat TL (talk) 11:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Dibs="I've claimed it" first definition -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Lol. Never heard the word before. Thanks for the link. Vocabulary increased. Venkat TL (talk) 11:37, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I am actually surprised to see that these constituency articles are not even linked to the city/ District articles of the area. This is basic requirement per WP:ORPHAN. What is the point in spending so much efforts to update the constituency article when the reader is not even aware that such a constituency article exists. So I marked it as top priority. Venkat TL (talk) 10:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

The constituencies are usually linked from the latest (and sometimes past) elections, as well as the related Legislative Assembly page. But yeah, they should be mentioned in the city and district articles as well. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

AFDs

Hi, would you mind listing AfDs like this in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Hinduism in future? I'm loath to follow the one for India, as there'll be a ton of stuff in there that doesn't interest me, and I would have liked to have commented on this one. Thanks! Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok. The wikiproject Deletion members also patrol the AfDs and they add the projects if they feel it is missing. Seems like no one felt it was applicable. You can improve its section on the ISKCON article. Venkat TL (talk) 11:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:19, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	It's always oddly satisfying to see lists alphabetized. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 08:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you I dream of horses. Indeed it is satisfying. As another benefit, this avoids the situation where users engage in trivial edit wars on the ordering.--Venkat TL (talk) 08:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy

Hello! Your submission of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 22:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Venkat TL, it's been four weeks, and you haven't returned to this article or nomination since. If you are unable to complete the necessary edits in the next seven days, the nomination will be closed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

User

HI, it is regarding this. The user is not a newcomer. First edit in October 2006. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk yes, but with only 150 edits, I doubt they know the rules properly, so I considered them for softer note. No harm done. Venkat TL (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

OK. They do it again, I'll report. I wonder why they can't understand the fact that their changes are affecting the syntax of images and at other places. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Probably they are doing Copy and replace without previewing the changes before publishing. I have pinged 3-4 times already, so not seeing the pings also. Venkat TL (talk) 15:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

But they seem to clearly understand our edit summaries, since their replies are based on those. And their reverts were coming fast, means they are getting the notifications. May be WP:LISTEN or WP:CIR or both. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

sounds like an angry fan. I will stay away for now. Venkat TL (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Requesting article protection

Hello, Venkat. I see that your persistent requests for semi-protection of the article 2022 BJP Muhammad remarks controversy have now been turned down three times in three days by three different administrators. Please get the message. There is simply not a big enough problem at the article to call for protection. See Wikipedia:Protection policy. At this article there are very, very few edits of any kind by IPs or new editors. There is virtually no vandalism. Some of the edits you have reverted, such as the one you mentioned here, look more like someone adding cited material that you disagree with, rather than disruption or vandalism; in such cases consider starting a discussion on the talk page. Bottom line, please do not request protection again unless something drastically changes at that article - that is, if there start to be repeated (multiple times in a day) vandalism edits by new users. Your repeated RFPP requests are on the verge of becoming disruptive. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@MelanieN thank you for the note. I was not pinged first and second time, so I had no idea what happened to those requests. Only today I saw the response and got to know that both were denied as being not meeting the level of disruption. Normally they are approved but this time it was not. Thanks for explaining. Venkat TL (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Glad to help and thanks for understanding. Just so you know: if a protection request gets declined, it usually stays "live" on the protection page for a while, rather than being immediately archived like the ones that are protected. So if you request protection, you might want to check back on the RFPP page after 12 hours or so. If protection was declined it will probably still be visible. The admin who declines does not usually ping the person who requested protection. In any case, all requests get archived. The archives are at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, and can be searched for keywords using the archive box, just to the right of the "contents" list. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@MelanieN got it. I assure you next time I will check the archives for the fate of the earlier request before making a second request. Venkat TL (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

The disruption crossed the threshold and the article was protected today. Venkat TL (talk) 19:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Raju Srivastav

Hello, Venkat TL,

There is no need to leave duplicate, identical messages on an editor's user talk page. Once is enough unless you are sending escalated warnings. But posting the same warning twice will just irritate the other editor. This was especially problematic as you were edit-warring on this article as well. It's good that you stopped and moved the discussion from edit summaries to the article talk page or you were both looking at having brief blocks for edit warring.

If you want to be in a position of warning other editors about inappropriate behavior on Wikipedia, you need to be setting a good example by your own editing conduct. Thank you for your contributions to the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:21, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Liz ok. Apologies for the trouble. Venkat TL (talk) 19:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing Raju Srivastav for a period of 48 hours for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Daniel Case (talk) 18:13, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Venkat TL (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

@Daniel Case:, yesterday In my last reply on ANEW I clearly stated that have no intention to continue any revert on Raju Srivastav, and I could not self revert since the other editor had already done it. As I said, I have not made any further reverts on that page and I am continuing the talk page discussion. There is no ongoing disruption that this block prevents. Unless you meant this block to be punitive, I request an unblock. Again as stated yesterday I have no intention to edit war on Raju Srivastav, I haven't edited that page since yesterday and there is no reason to believe I will edit war on the page in the next 48 hours. I am sure you will be informed if I renege and the block button is just a click away anyway. Venkat TL (talk) 18:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per discussion below. — Daniel Case (talk) 19:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Venkat TL (talk) 18:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

As long as you stay away from the page for the same time period after an unblock ... do you agree to that? Daniel Case (talk) 19:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel Case Yes, agree. I have no intentions to revert. Since you are explicitly asking me to not even make any edits on that page, I have no problem to agree to that as well. Although I believe my staying away from a page for 2 days does not help in achieving anything other then your peace of mind. Please note that even without the block, I had not made any edits on that page since my reply on WP:ANEW, so honestly I am very surprised that I was blocked, nevertheless. Venkat TL (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

In response to the comment I was responding to when your removal of the block notice and unblock request created an edit conflict

The point is that you crossed a line that I blocked you a couple of months ago for crossing. It was a partial block because in general you do a lot of good work. But you need to be mindful of 3RR. Because enough incidents like these and your intentions will not matter. Daniel Case (talk) 19:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel Case sorry for the quick archive. I did not like to keep that here so moved it sooner. Thanks for comment, indeed I was expecting a reply. Understood, so my recent block was after all a WP:PUNISH block and you wanted this to be reflected in the block logs. It is very unfortunate for me, that my intentions of not reverting any more on that page was not made clear in my response on the Edit warring noticeboard even though I had explicitly said I have no intentions to make any more reverts.. Perhaps I need to do a better job in speaking more clearly than I did last time. I will be more careful in future. Venkat TL (talk) 19:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel Case Please help me in understanding the admin action in my case. If a fourth revert is made, and the editor becomes aware of it, repents, offers to self revert, (or goes ahead and does self revert), does not continue any further reverts, why then a block was deemed necessary? What was being achieved by the block? In both cases, I was handed down a totally 'unnecessary' block by you, that was appealed and quickly unblocked.

• In the first case there was 8 hrs gap where no disruption was ongoing, yet I was blocked.
• In the second case (yesterday's), there was a 30 hour time gap between the 4th revert and the block. I had said on the noticeboard, that I will not revert again and in that 40 hours, until the block, I did not made any reverts. --Venkat TL (talk) 15:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Daniel Case may I have a response? Venkat TL (talk) 17:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

  Sorry, your original post above must have gotten lost in my notifications.

  Upon further review on my part, since your fourth revert was a self-revert, that should not have counted as a 3RR vio by itself. I apologize. But you still should know better than to come anywhere near that judgement call having to be made. Daniel Case (talk) 19:29, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Daniel Case thanks for the clarification, apology accepted. I was very surprised and confused. Yes I know, I should not have taken it that far, it is not one of the moments for me to be proud of. I will try not to take it this far next time. Also I find in both instances a group of users (Some common users in both cases) were involved in reverting vs me. Wish you a nice day ahead. Venkat TL (talk) 19:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

  Pravega still disagrees, and wants me to note this (so I am), which to me shows that it was still a gray area. Daniel Case (talk) 15:23, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

  Interesting to see that guy is still dragging this with you. @Daniel Case, You are totally missing the point.

  (1) the central thrust of my argument is not dependent on whether it was technically a 4th revert or not. The central thrust of my argument, is that I had Said "NO More Reverts by Me", offered to self revert, and I was block even then. This block and the (first block on exactly similar circumstances) by you have not achieved anything other than soiling my block log. The only reason I am still discussing this case with you is because I am concerned, that sometime in future on similar circumstances, you will block me for a week. Even if it is not you, I doubt the patrolling admin will check my talk page to read the threads about the discussions. They will decide simply on the block log.

  (2) Now coming to the minor point of the technicality if it was a 4th revert or not, I believe you are more experienced with the Wiki rules than me so I don't want to argue, all I can say is that the 4th diff was not the same as the first three because in the fourth diff, I did not touch the items that were disputed and actively discussed on the talk page. Does that make it a fourth revert, I believe admins can decide it better than me. Venkat TL (talk) 17:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

  I'm OK with my recent revision and you having been unblocked. What I mean is that I cannot guarantee that others might see it differently, which you seem to understand as well. Daniel Case (talk) 17:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)