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Hello, Pjoef. A while ago a decision was made to not categorize single releases separately from non-single songs. As such, I've suggested that the two The Clash categories be merged, here. That discussion has a link to one previous discussion, which in turn has links to a few others. If you have any comments about this move, or would like to discuss it, please do not hesitate to join the active conversation. Regards ×Meegs01:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
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I notice that your edits to the Clash singles chronology in various articles appear to conflict with this source. Can you please let me know what source you're using so that we can verify your claims? Thanks, Sideshow Bob Roberts16:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on The Clash discography and I'm editing songs and albums articles to fit the Wikipedia standards. About the Clash singles chronology the main source are labels, sleeves, booklets and covers of 7" and 12" singles, albums and CD. Today I found this source [1]. Now I'm comparing and working on that data.... (Pjoef17:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC))
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1977 March White Riot
1977 White Riot / 1977 CBS 5058
White Riot
1977 May Remote Control
1977 Remote Control / London's Burning [live] S CBS 5293
Remote Control
1977 September Complete Control
1977 Complete Control / City of the Dead S CBS 5664
Complete Control
1978 February Clash City Rockers
1978 Clash City Rockers / Jail Guitar Doors CBS 5834
Clash City Rockers
1978 June White Man In Hammersmith Palais
1978 (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais / The Prisoner
(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais
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1978 I Fought the Law / (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais 50738
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1978 November Tommy Gun
1978 Tommy Gun / 1-2 Crush On You S CBS 6788
Tommy Gun
1979 February English Civil War
1979 English Civil War / Pressure Drop 7082 1 26
English Civil War
1979 July I Fought the Law
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I Fought the Law
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1979 Groovy Times / Gates of the West (NOT FOR SALE Epic AE7 1178)
Groovy Times
1979 December London Calling
1979 London Calling / Armagideon Time 7 issues
London Calling
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1980 Clampdown / The Guns of Brixton (Australia 7" Vinyl Epic ES 486)
Clampdown
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1980 Hitsville UK (UK CBS 9480)
Hitsville UK
1980 February Train In Vain (Stand By Me)
1980 Train in Vain (Stand by Me) / London Calling
Train in Vain
1980 August Bankrobber
1980 Bankrobber / Rockers Galore 8323
Bankrobber
1980 November The Call-Up
1980 The Call Up / Stop the World
The Call-Up
1981 January Hitsville UK
Hitsville UK 7" Vinyl Epic 51013 (USA ed.)
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1981 April The Magnificent Seven
1981 The Magnificent Seven / The Magnificent Dance
The Magnificent Seven
1981 November This Is Radio Clash
1981 This Is Radio Clash / Radio Clash 1797
This Is Radio Clash
1982 April Know Your Rights
1982 Know Your Rights / First Night Back in London A2309
Know Your Rights
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1982 Should I Stay or Should I Go? / Inoculated City (USA [45 rpm] 7" Vinyl Epic 14-03006)
Should I Stay or Should I Go?
1982 Rock the Casbah / Mustapha Dance
1982 June Rock The Casbah
Rock The Casbah
1982 July Should I Stay Or Should I Go?
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1982 Straight to Hell
Straight to Hell
1985 September This Is England
1985 This Is England
This Is England
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1988 I Fought the Law / City of the Dead - 1977 651172-7
I Fought the Law (1988 re-release) ???
1990 July Return To Brixton (Remix)
1990 Return to Brixton / The Guns of Brixton 656072-2
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1991 London Calling / Brand New Cadillac
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1991 Should I Stay Or Should I Go/Rush
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1999 Complete Control [live]
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Redirect
Hi. I just want to tell you that you shouldn't create redirects of songs to the album page except for in rare instances. They give the misleading impression that the song has a page and it's even worse when they are linked from the album page (Thus, Garageland (song) redirects back to The Clash (album) when it's linked from that page. I will try to delete them when I have time. grenグレン04:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm so sorry, but right now I have little time to work on WikipediA, but I hope to work on these pages more in the next months. The redirections were intended as a temporary solution. Otherwise:
“Linking to the specific album on which the song appears is preferable and linking to the artist should be done only when the album does not have a page on Wikipedia.
There is consensus that the majority of songs do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Songs should only have an individual article if there is enough material to warrant a detailed article.
To add a redirect to this category, put {{R from song}}after the redirect but on the same line (The redirect works only if in the first line, and any lines following the redirect line are ignored).” — from Redirects from songs (that's the opposite of what you wrote!)
I think that we must add the redirect but to the relative album and a redirect to the category {{R from song}} on every page without enough material to be a good article. Today, I worked on this, but the result is little good. Also, I made some changes in your Watchlist about The Clash (User:Grenavitar/Watchlist:The Clash). Songs, EPs, Compilations and Albums are retrivied, in alphabetical order, from their categories, Category:The Clash songs and Category:The Clash albums.
Hi there. I notice you keep inserting multiple line breaks when you edit articles, for example here. Note that inserting that many line breaks causes the articles themselves to get extra line breaks, which is inappropriate. I've reverted such changes of yours on multiple occasions, for example here. Please take care not to insert that many line breaks. Thanks in advance. --PEJL12:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. I retrivied more from Manual of Style:
“Spaces above and below headings are completely optional. Spaces between the==and the heading text are also optional (==Heading== vs ==Heading==). With the current MediaWiki software, these extra spaces will not affect the appearance of the heading in any way; the rendered page is identical. Multiple blank lines will add white space, ...” — see more
Inserting one or more line breaks after a heading doesn't causes the articles to get extra line breaks. It only facilitates the editing, and the source code becomes easier to read. Otherwise, a selective inserting of more than one line break before a Heading produces, in some cases, a more legible articles. — Thank you again, (Pjoef14:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC))
Inserting one or two line breaks in succession generally doesn't cause the article to get extra line breaks. Whether doing so makes the code easier to read is debatable, and not something I'd like to debate here. But inserting more than two line breaks in succession generally causes the article to get extra line breaks, which is what is inappropriate. If articles needed more line breaks to be legible, they would have that extra margin by default. Editors should not add additional margins into articles. I see on your user page that you consider yourself an HTML/CSS professional. As such, I'm sure you'll agree that <p><br/></p> (which is what additional line breaks generate) is inappropriate HTML markup. --PEJL14:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
OK PEJL! In any case, I haven't inserted more than two line breaks, and if I did it was on my error and I am sorry.
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Clash song articles
Hi, and thank you for your contributions. However Wikipedia:Notability (music) has "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album. Wikipedia:Verifiability states: "If an article topic has no reputable, reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on that topic.”" and I think these would be better as redirects to London Calling. --John03:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I've now done that, and I am truly sorry to have had to undo so much of your well-intentioned hard work. I think there may be other ways you can help improve our coverage of The Clash which will be more beneficial to our users than creating articles on every single song they released. --John05:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your opinion but I'm afraid the notability guidelines take higher priority as they constitute a consensus formed over a long period by many users. It may be true that many song articles do not meet our notability standards, but that is not a case for keeping poor articles but perhaps for changing the other unsatisfactory ones to redirects or deleting them. Let me know if there are specific ones you have in mind. --John18:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for your message. I have removed the intro length template. It would have helped if I had left a message on the article talk page addressing my concerns, as was my intention, but I got distracted, and failed to do so. I appreciate your edits (all of them, as you have done great work recently on the article), and the fact that you discussed the matter with me rather than simply removing the template yourself. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'23:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
The Working Man's Barnstar!
The Working Man's Barnstar
Awarded to Pjoef for tireless effort sorting out the references in The Clash article
I was curious if you knew the origin of “THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS!” Was it the Clash, a record company, or someone in the press who created that phrase? Kingturtle (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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Re: French spacing
I have never set out to edit an article merely to remove the double spacing, but have only done so if I was in the midst of making other edits. I do not even really do it consciously, it has just always been a change I've made as a matter of course. I do not see the necessity for it, but if you would prefer, I'll not do so on The Clash article. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'15:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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The main concern was that the books weren't cited in the article yet, hence the section retitling. I've noticed some editors like to list books even if they aren't used in the article, and it confuses things. As the article is up for a GA nomination, I thought it was best to make a distinction. By all means list the books if they are cited directly in the article, but it's best not to do it before, because they haven't been used yet. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I had a hard time finding someone with js experience. You see, I have this Java script that lets me edit Wikipedia that someone gave me to help me make large amounts of Insect species. But I want to learn how it works, sense I have no prior experience with programming. I also want to know how I can make the abbreviation, if you need further elaboration, or you want me to send you the script via E-mail (Because it would be like gold to vandals) just tell me on my talk page. Buɡboy52.4 (talk) 04:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, I tried learning it, but its just a bit to difficult for now. But the script isn't loose. Meaning that I could only insert infermation that will be replicated for all the pages, and were I had ***, will be replaced by the name of the articles. For example, If you compare Bactromantis virga & Bactromantis mexicana, they have the same content except for three places the page title is, were I put the ***. If you look down to the references, they both have the same reference, and now compare them to Bantia chopardi & Bantia fusca, they have the same references, except for the name of the previous genus replaced by the new genus. And as you can see, the genus is stated as the first part of the binomial name, as Bantia fusca's genus is Bantia, is it possible to program it to remove the last part of the binomial name, from Bantia fusca to just Bantia; possible indicating this action with only two, **. Another problem is the taxobox, were the species is indicated, the binomial name should be abbreviated to B. fusca, can this be programed too, maybe with only one, *. Tell me your E-mail, or some other way to give you the script. Buɡboy52.4 (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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Killing Joke
ok i undid ur edits. the eps and studio albums are in one chronology for a reason: Because they're studio recorded. they need to be in the same chronology so viewers know what came next in order. eventually, i'll add in the live albums. but thatll be a while for now because im working on the singles for Killing Joke. Please leave it as it was for now. --J miester25 (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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I don't think you can truthfully say that any Wikipedian supports justifying the atrocities Soviets committed. Since you're familiar with issues of human rights, you should be aware of the uncounted souls wretched by the Gulag, the troikas, Kolyma and other assorted murders. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος!10:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I was actually passing by to discuss this edit. I don't think it's noteworthy; since every government needs infrastructure, it stands to reason that every government, every administration would maintain existing infrastructure and build new one. It only becomes relevant in an encyclopædic article if the infrastructure is in some regard noteworthy -- perhaps maintained exceptionally well or exceptionally poorly, or based on unusual technological solutions such as the Sharopoyezd. Would you agree? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος!10:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I regret that you confused my remark as being of political nature. I would like to emphasise that it is not; the question is only what and how should be reflected in Wikipedia articles for them to be appropriately encyclopædic.
With that in mind, would you agree that a baseline level of infrastructure construction is not something that would need to be explicitly mentioned in the narrative of Armenia? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος!11:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I see. I admit I'm a bit new to this; perhaps another way to approach this should be used.
Passing by in this sort of fashion is a bit unusual for a leading member of POV warriors' circle which is constantly engaged in group editing – as noted by a number of people at [2]. At least be a bit more candid in this respect. PasswordUsername (talk) 10:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate that you are not insulting me on my own talkpage. But further improvement is needed; you shouldn't do it on other folks' talkpages, either. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος!11:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Not really my own interpretation. I can only guess if you followed me here or Vecrumba. Apologies to Pjoef for dragging on with this lame going around in circles here. PasswordUsername (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, Pjoef, your article has been altered to meet updating standards: The last listed music video in that section has been & em-dashed; box-sets now is incl. in the infobox (with the standard color of orange; also gave films a beige color); and the lead has been changed to fit to today's new standard. It would have been changed at sometime by someone if it were not me. Best,--76.198.234.254 (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
MOTD
I'd be glad to contribute! As a matter of fact, I was thinking about wikimottos just the other day (I know, I have no life :]).
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Hey, thanks for the reply. Of course exceptions can be made for certains cirumcstances, and I completely understand your viewpoint, but we do have to maintain consistency. If we allow this for the Buzzcocks, do we allow it for every list that is missing articles? It's a quite large inclusion you have there, and in my opinion (and i believe the general consensus around Wikipedia) the releases that do have articles for that exact information should not have it repeated in a discography. As it stands however, they are only guidelines, not policies, so if you wish to provide this extensive amount of information, i guess you have every right to for now. But if someone, someday decidesto contest the content, then you have a case on your hands. You're probably best to take it to the MOS:DISCOG talk page and hopefully you'll get some replies/opinions. Who knows, you might make a major difference?
Also, I've had a quick look over The Clash discography, some major things I observed: The three sections should be condensed into the lead - read WP's rules on leads, it needs to summarise the content of the list (which is what has been done in those sections, it just needs to be moved to the lead. You could probably find some more international charts, surely they charted in my home country of Aus back in the day at least? Only the original release date, label, and version needs to be listed on a discography - it doesn't need to be concise per say, just enough to give people a general outline. I've seen this done in many older articles, but I rarely see it now, probably because it has been outlawed - the sections being separated into UK and US that is. Music videos table doesn't require an Albums column. And I wouldn't encourage including a Filmography in a Discography - two entirely different things - should just be in The Clash article. Feel free to ask for more comments, I'll help whenever I have the time. Cheers. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Looking over the Filmography, they're not all actual films. The Video albums (live DVDs, self-made docos) should be included in a section title Video albums. As for any proper films, in a Filmography in the main article, if it gets deleted we have a case - they have articles and do not belong in the discog. The problem is going to be deciphering what belongs where.
I think having track listings included is just way too much in the list/table, even if they are hidden you have links inside links inside sections inside tables, it's just too much.
Music videos are still primarily used for the promotion of the single - which just above have the album listed right beside them. It's just repeating info really?
I have posted a section asking about the box sets, I'm not too sure. You'll probably have to assess them, make sure they're official, notable and I'm sure they'll be okay to list. Let's just wait and see what they say. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 13:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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First of all the English word "MOTTO" derives from Latin! More precisely, it derives from Italian, which in its turn is derived from Latin! 2nd: Ask to some Colleges, Universities, Schools, States, Countries, Armies, Organizations,... to do not write their mottos in Latin! 3rd: I'm "exploring" this Category (Latin mottos) and the List of Latin phrases (full), and I'm also trying to propose a quote from Literature works and a Latin motto every week. I think that a Latin motto per week is not too much.... But, if they are going to be a problem... then I can put them away! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
My opinion of the matter is this: the more obscure of them should probably be translated from Latin. For the more well known of them I'm happy if they stay in Latin with the English translation alongside. I probably made a mistake to oppose Carpe diem. ;)
Sometimes, but not often, the sentence structure is a little confusing, so in those cases it may be worth linking both the Latin and the English translation. All in all I'm okay if we keep having the Latin motto's (after all our wide readership hasn't come and burnt WP:MOTD down, yet!), but I do think that for some of the less well known quotes we would do well to maybe have them in English. Obviously this is only my opinion, kind regards, SpitfireTally-ho!10:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
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Motto of the Day
Hello I am contacting you because you seem to be active recently in WP:MOTD. There has been a lack of interest lately, and I would greatly appreciate it if you responded to my comments on the MOTD talk page. Cheers. --LAAFansignreview03:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Pepsi Motto Approval
Pjoef, I don't usually do this, but I must object to your approval of the Pepsi motto. Two Weak Supports, a Very Weak Support and an Oppose to not make consensus, in my opinion. At best, that motto should have been re-opened for further discussion. I won't undo your decision, but I strongly urge you to return it to the in review page for further consideration. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
What is "bland" consensus, anyway? It just seems to me that three people weakly supporting it and one person outright opposed would be no consensus, not a "bland" consensus to use it. I'm not saying it can't pass, I just think that, with such a lack of consensus, it should have been reopened for further discussion rather than approved, and it's not too late to do that. I know that sometimes we get a little hard pressed for mottos, but the answer is not to approve bad ones without consensus; that will just make the situation worse by lowering our standards. I again urge you to return the motto to the in review page for more discussion. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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WP:FILMS October Newsletter
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WP:FILMS' Tag & Assess Drive and Roll Call
The project's Tag & Assess drive has begun. We will be assessing over 50,000 articles during the drive and we need your help! 200-article ranges can be adopted and completed at any pace. A variety of awards are available based on the number of articles assessed. Please help review whatever you are comfortable with, and if you have any questions, leave a message on the talk page of the drive. In addition, please add your name to the active member list if you have not already. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you added a lot of Talkheader templates to talk pages. It is not recommended to do that for every article though, only when it is needed. See also this discussion. Garion96(talk)12:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Because {{talkheader}} was not meant to be used on each and every talk page whether there is a need for it or not. Only when it is needed, see the discussion I linked too in my post above. Garion96(talk)13:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
So consensus is to not use them on every talk page. You disagree and will happily continue adding the template to every talk page? Garion96(talk)13:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi - noticed that you may have added the "core" parameter to the {{Film}} banner on several talk pages. However, the parameter isn't added to articles on a per-user basis. For more information on how the parameter is used, I'd refer you to WP:FILMCORE. Generally, the list is relatively static over time, and usually reassessed on a yearly basis. This is essential so as to keep our core article list stable, uncontentious, and limited in number. Feel free to discuss this further with me, the coordinators, or on the core list's talk page if you have any further questions or concerns! :) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I can't figure out the meaning of the edit summary on this change [3], "unbolding members (or the template doesnt show the status correctly)". What do you mean by status? If it has to do with current vs. past members, bold text does not imply one or the other, especially since there is not a mixture of bold and non-bold, before or after the edit. When questions about navbox standards for musicians have come up, it has been noted that there really are no rules or standards; the few that exist are found here, and they say nothing about how a list of members is to be formatted. The old version of the template looks a little neater in my opinion, because all text in the grey area above and to the left of the main big white box was bold, and therefore in uniform font. Sorry for waiting a few days after the edit to ask this; I was trying to decide if it was too trivial a point to raise, but it's been bugging me. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 09:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Got it. Next question is, shouldn't the list of headings along the left side, and the navbox title itself, be unbolded since they are also links? I notice there is no advice about this at the link above, nor at WP:NAV which has more general info about navboxes (it doesn't even mention the feature of the current article's name becoming unlinked and bold), nor does the former help page link to the latter. There seems to be room for improvement in the documentation. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 19:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed the work you do to assess films and tidy talk pages. I would like to write you 2-3 things mainly as an advice:
Not all talk pages need {{talk header}}. Better add it only to those which you think are visited by a lot of viewers and/or to those who have a lot of forum-like messages
Better use {tl|talk header}} instead of "talkheader" (add a space between) to make it easier to read for other editors
I've also notice your additions of Talk page headers . Please remember that {{Talk header}} should not be automatically added to talk pages. It should only be added to talk pages that have a clear need for it. Also, The banner shell should not be added if there are only a couple of project banners on a talk page. Even with three banners its use is marginal and probably best left alone. —Farix (t | c) 19:05, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
It is my intention to do it, but there are some problems with some redirected pages, and I would like to fix all of them before. Anyway, thank you so much for your message. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so very much! I think that this idea of collecting articles into books is really great. Time permitting, I hope to contribute to creating new books and fixing problems on already existing books. There are some issues to sort out. It would be great if we could include only parts/sections of an article. For example, to skip an entire section when it contains the link to the main article about it, so we cold be able to insert the main article into the book, and then return to the next section of the previous article... and so on. I have other ideas more or less useful and more or less feasible. Maybe one day I will write something about these ideas on the WikiProject related to books. Cheers! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
The Motto that I suggested, this one, was copied to the specials section, and the one you approved was meant to be ignored, unless the other failed. And of course, I didn't catch it. Before you closed the one that you did, that motto already was scheduled to be on May 25, Towel Day. Since mottos supposedly can't be reused, can this one not be on Towel Day now? Or do we just get to all hope that nobody notices? :) Hi878 (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh, didn't know about the colon at the beginning... And I've decided that I don't like it, so I'll just remove that. Reply Here, because I have your page watched. Hi878 (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I just had the perfect link idea. Go check it out. REPLY HERE, not on my talk page, please. Hi878 (talk) 04:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm gald you liked it (^_~). While I was visiting your talk page I saw those barnstars awarded to you for finding two secret pages. I found both of them immediately (^_~) but I have not signed the related pages (^___^). I've also discovered about 3 or 4 of your secret pages ~ lol ~ but, unfortunately, I've found the archived debate of the proposed deletion of your 5+1 hidden pages :(! ... WTF! This world is full of people who have nothing better to do! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Damerung's secret pages weren't too terribly hard to find, I must admit. However, I only found the class-4 one because of the page history. :) You should sign them, you'll feel important when you get the barnstars. :) You should sign mine, too, see if you got the right one. Anyhoo, I'm glad we could figure this whole MoTD thing out. Hi878 (talk) 01:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't do that. Believe it or not, I call that vandalism. Sign the pages, or stay away. And if you do sign the pages, there are instructions at the top of the page that you apparently didn't see. Hi878 (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry that I snapped at you. Your signature didn't a[[ear in any way, so I thought you were just adding that. All that could be seen when I highlighted everything was the ROFLMAO,so I got a bit mad about it... And blanking the "Wrong Seret Page" template added to that idea. I saw it, but apparently forgot to undo it. Anyhoo, sorry for snapping at you, just please don't do that. IF YOU REPLY, REPLY HERE, I HAVE YOUR TALK PAGE WATCHEDHi878 (talk) 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
No worries (^___^) I was reading the class-1-6 tips on Damërung's page and I thought to do that (^___^) Unfortunately I'm new to this kind of thing (the secret pages) /o\ Anyway, it's very simple, just use the display CSS property inline in a HTML element and set it to none: <div style="display: none">hidden text</div>
Still Saturday here, and will be for 5 more hours. :) If you want, sign my pages. Damerung has inspired me to make mine harder. However, I want to find his class-5 first. Then I'll have even more ideas! :) Hi878 (talk) 01:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it is on another wikipedia or on another Wikimedia projects, but I had not time to find it out. And, yes it was Saturday here too (^___^).
I have not removed it because I do not want to be tagged, but because it falls over the navigation panel at the top of my pages. As soon as I find a solution and get it working, I will put it back. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
As you may know Alan Vega's birthdate is currently listed as 1948. There appears to conflicting evidence - the official book - versus the currently sourced Blast First Press Release. I'm trying to build consensus for a change. Please add comments on Talk :Alan Vega. Thanks. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you
WP:FILM Barnstar
This is to acknowledge and thank you for your participation in tagging and assessing 2,650 articles in WP:FILMS' Tag & Assess Drive 2009-2010. You have helped to ensure our project has a better idea of the articles under our scope. I appreciate your efforts in further helping the project! --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 21:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Second place
WP:FILM Silver Wiki
Additional thanks go to your efforts as you reviewed the second most amount of articles during the drive. This is a great feat, and I do thank your for taking the time to review so many articles. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 21:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I am here to inform you that your userpage or talk page has been conquered by the Earth Cabal. Please don’t panic; there is nothing you can do about it. You are hereby invited to join the Cabal, and help conquer other pages for our cause. See User:Hi878/Earth Cabal for more information. Thank you, have a nice, irregular weather day, and welcome to Earth.
Hi878 (talk) 04:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't like it so very much —could you try to move it to 0px from the top?— but this page has been tagged (and conquered) by the "Earth Cabal" again (^__^). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
You can review and comment the nominations in the following sections: In review and Specials. The second section is for mottos/nominations for a specific date, but the most of the nominations go in WP:MOTD/N/IR. The discussion process is the same as on Featured picture candidates. If you approve or oppose a nomination, just write Support or Oppose followed by your reasons. You can also suggest changes to improve the existing nominations. If you have an idea for a new motto place your suggestions on those sections for review and consideration, and follow the instructions there for the correct procedure on how to do this. A nomination should be not approved if it has been used before, and it's also a good idea to create a set of links that points to Help, WikiProjects, Policies, Guidelines, Essays pages and NOT TO ARTICLES IN THE MAINSPACE (The encyclopedia part of Wikipedia.) For more information, please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Guidelines. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
No, I am not hiding from you (^___^). Usually, I nominate a couple of quotes and do all the work for the discussions, approval and archive processes once a week on every Tuesday or so. But, in the last three weeks I had to be back on the approval process again and again, and in a couple of times I had to approve a motto for the same day in which it has been scheduled. So, on May 13, I have decided to invite some editors, who placed —and are proudly showing— a MOTD's template on their user/user talk pages, to join our project for revamping it. Now that things seem to be going well and it is all clear, I think I will return to my weekly job (^___^). However, yesterday I was pretty busy, but I remain at your disposal. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
If you are wondering about the above message, it was sent out to almost everyone involved in the project (missed a couple and did not do permanently retired or banned users) to encourage contributions. I hope this is okay. Simply south (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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The template is very similar to (copied from) Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Invite a member. If you like it, you can copy and paste the above code into a new page, and replace "New template" with the page name. The result is:
Hi there, Pjoef! Motto of the Day is currently running out of mottos and therefore we would appreciate your support in this project. Please suggest new mottos or support for others at Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review. If you have any ideas for mottos on a special date or anniversary, or you would like to provide your opinion on other special nominations, please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials. Thank you for your time.
I submitted a motto that was approved:
Do not delete the slightly necessary. One should not be separated from a group because of little necessity.
I just wanted to know what date it will be officially published and listed on the MOTD page. Thanks!
BelugaboyTalk to Me!Y00:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
This is certainly an improvement over the original. Personally, I use my own method for doing that, but thank you for your effort. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Assessing films
Hi Pjoef. Note that there is a bot removing the obsolete film banner parameters (needs plot, needs cast, etc) currently in operation, so these shouldn't be re-added. See the history of Talk:It's a Bear, for an example and a link to the bot's page and the owner's talk page. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 18:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Can't recall the exact discussion, but I do remember arguing against the removal of needs-cast-list, as I thought that was an important maintance category. I'm sure someone on the project's talkpage can find you links to previous discussions, if needed. Lugnuts (talk) 07:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Silvertone (Selfridges)
Thanks for your support at the Articles for Deletion/ Silvertone Records. Too often editors are too apathetic to take the time to save articles beyond their own interest.smjwalsh (talk) 11:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
The Revolutionary Étude Talkback
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—La Pianista♫ ♪22:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Support (both versions, there is not a big difference between them) + comment: I think that the Poet of Piano was not paid for his Étude Op. 10, No. 12.La Pianista, check out this link when you get a moment. I would like to know your opinion. It's not Richter, Ashkenazy, or Pollini... but he is studying this Revolutionary piece of Art, and IMHO he is making progress. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Re Pjoef Yes, he's making progress (is that perchance you playing? :). It's better than many others' renditions I've heard - believe me, I've heard many. Sure, there are more than a few things I disagree with, in which I will indulge myself by speaking in uncomfortably large detail.
Better right hand legato - he has the hand for a 5-4 octave pair if he wanted to. He should relax the lower voices in practice and work on that legato between 5 and 4. It is supremely important to keep the other fingers relaxed, else the legato will not be natural, he'll hit wrong notes, and some notes won't even sound. Purely as an exercise, he could play the chord, play every voice but the top staccato, and keep the top molto legatissimo.
More voicing in top of right hand - he can do this by subtly angling his hand towards the smaller fingers, thus putting more weight there.
More carefully-planned resolutions - 0:40, for example. The D should be softer than the E-flat before it. If you were to sing this passage, you wouldn't do the opposite, would you? It is ungraceful (not that he was doing that - he was playing them at equal dynamics).
Better tone control by keeping the hand close to the key - this mostly applies to the right hand. If he put his hand on the key before playing it, he wouldn't have that wooden, physical bump that comes purely from a quick descent straight into the keybed. It's that "knock-on-wood" sound that's barely perceptible but makes a huge difference in the end. In addition, a lot of energy is wasted in the force that is rebound, per Newton's third law. If he kept close to the key, he could play loudly with a quick burst of energy and immediately relax (after all, what use is there for tension after a key is played? The sound decays immediately, there's nothing you can do) and prepare for the next chord.
Reduce the amount of extraneous movement in the left hand, especially the chromatic 1:07 section- it's good to keep the arm free, but too much movement is more of an impediment than a help. It throws the hand off balance and creates more tension as the pianist tries to keep things straight. Like Dr. José Feghali once mentioned in a masterclass I attended, capable pianists don't have to convince themselves of relaxation with unnecessary movements. Freedom should be felt within and observed through paying close attention to what their body is telling them. Of course, total relaxation is impossible (else, pianists would be reduced to a drooling, half-awake mess that has fallen off the bench), but we should strive for minimal tension at all costs.
Most minor thing of all - I would recommend not letting go of the right hand during the left hand "solo" passagework. For one thing, it is slightly unprofessional, and his body language shows that he is struggling. Inner dialogue: I'm so focused on this left hand right now. In the meanwhile, let's get this right hand out of the way.
Overall, relatively small things, besides that bit about relaxation - as you say, he is no Richter. If this etude has caused him any pain - even a tingly sensation in undesirable - I would strongly advise him to be careful and start some relaxation exercises, which he may find in Alan Fraser's book, The Craft of Piano Playing (which I cannot link to on WP, since it would be spamming :P ). —La Pianista♫ ♪06:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so very much for your exhaustive and omni-comprehensive explanation and analysis. We can all see that you are “La Pianista”!!! NO, it is not me. My grandmother was a piano teacher, but I have not had the luck and the pleasure of learning to play the piano. I'm just a “music lover” and I like to listen to all kinds of music from the Renaissance (des Prez/Palestrina...) to the present day (Mars Volta). eLi is a very good friend of mine. I meet him in 2006 or 2007 on U2be. I was not only fascinated by his style of playing the piano, but also by the way he is and for his great soul ... eLi defines himself as a “piaNOwarist” ... and he is also a great person and a friend! I am very happy with your answer. I have copied this comment here so it remains among my things and memories, and maybe (and if you want) I would like to send the link to him so he will give it a look. Hope it will help him with the The Revolutionary Étude". I think that you are not one of those "easygoing" piano teachers, but a "sqeezer" who squeezes their pupils like lemons until the last drop of "blood" left them (^____^). I'm kidding. In other words I want to say that you tend towards perfection (on playing the piano, of course), which is a great thing. Thanks again! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
No problem at all and thanks for your compliments! Go ahead and send the link to him - I'm sure he'll be interested. —La Pianista♫ ♪21:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The message/motivation should be something like is:
This award is given to you for helping out Motto of the day. Thanks to your effort, MOTD has brilliantly and successfully passed the most difficult period of the year. In fact, there are mottoes scheduled until the end of the summer. For this reason MOTD would like to express heartfelt thanks to you for your support. We appreciate your efforts in further helping the project!
Code:
==Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstar==
{{subst:MOTD Barnstar|This award is given to you for helping out [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day|Motto of the day]]. Thanks to your effort, [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day|MOTD]] has brilliantly and successfully passed the most difficult period of the year. In fact, there are mottoes scheduled until the end of the summer. For this reason MOTD would like to express heartfelt thanks to you for your support. We appreciate your efforts in further helping the project! <small>– delivered by [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] on behalf of '''[[Wikipedia:Motto of the day]]''' {{subst:CURRENTTIME}}, {{subst:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</small>}}
Note: candidates/usenames/contributors who (IMHO) are NOT eligible are struck through.
Also, I think we should award some old contributors who are now not so "active", but with a different motivation. For example:
"This award is given to you for your long time and outstanding support to Motto of the day. We hope you will be back soon!"
Code:
==Award for long time and outstanding support to MOTD==
{{subst:MOTD Barnstar|This award is given to you for your long time and outstanding support to [[Wikipedia:Motto of the day|Motto of the day]]. We hope you will be back soon! <small>– delivered by [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] on behalf of '''[[Wikipedia:Motto of the day]]''' {{subst:CURRENTTIME}}, {{subst:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</small>}}
If I forgot to list some "OLD ...but important" editors/contributors to MOTD, please add them to the list.
Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstars Discussion
Thanks for your attention. I've placed 11 (eleven) talkback templates on the talk pages of the decision makers/archivists of MOTD and the most experienced/long time contributors to MOTD:
I would like to award our participants with the {{MOTD Barnstar}} because we have mottoes until the end of the summer, but I would like to do it on behalf and in the name of our project. So I need/want your support and I will wait for your suggestions and opinions about it. For more info and a comprehensive list of eligible contributors please CLICK HERE! (I copied most of the contents here in the above section.) Please, reply here on this talk page (you can also edit these sections, of course, because, if we go on with this proposal, we will use these lists and messages.) Thank you in advance. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for the offer. On the sandbox page, numbers are listed beside the names of each user, for example mine is 4 (4/0). I understand that the number represents the number of edits each user has made in a specific time period, but what are the numbers in brackets? Also, do we just take a barnstar with the message shown on the page and timestamp it? I do realize I created this barnstar, by the way. xD Thanks. ~AH1(TCU)14:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
No, I'm asking all of you the permission to do it on behalf of MOTD. Then, either I or one of us will deliver the barnstars. The lists come out from the following two queries:
Btw, the number of contributions to the decisions section by person may not be respresentative of how many they close. Whenever I've closed mottos in the past, i do not do them individually but close them in bulk when there are more than one to close. Also, what of other older editors that have contributed to the project in the past but have not been seen in the past few years? Or am i blowing this out of proportion? Simply south (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, I've copied and pasted both lists from the toolserver.org page. The number of edits (IMHO) is not very important, the sum of 3 edits in the Nominations and Decisions/Archives section and not in the same day seem to be enough to me. I think that the barnstars/awards will "spur" (a bit) new & old contributors. It was something I would liked to do on last Christmas/New Year Day, but I was very busy (as always ~ lol) and I didn't. I copied the list on top of this section... and Amalthea is not in that list. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Amalthea is the current resident deletionist i go to when the schedule has been archived. They do batch deletions on the months, hence why previous months in the schedule are redlinked. Simply south (talk) 19:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Well i thought this was just about recognising people who have contributed to MOTD, especially recently. I think he should but i don't know where he should be placed. Simply south (talk) 22:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, I think he is the man who increased my number of deleted edits from a couple of dozen to 381 ~ lol ~ I added his username on top of the firt list. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 22:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Wait, so you want to give us barnstars, but you want my support for it? I can't find a reason for me not to want barnstars. :P SimonKSK17:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, something like that ~ lol ~ I could give you ALL the barnstars but (porbably) I will receive back tens of barnstars ~ lol ~ and that is not my intention, so I would like to form & have the consensus for delivering the barnstars in the name and on behalf of MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
There is not a scale or a unit of measurement. The idea is to award all the contributors and supporters of our project. I took into consideration the period from the nominations (25 May 2010) approved for the first day of summer (21 June 2010) until yesterday (20 July 2010). Then I crossed out who did just one edit and only in one day. In any case, the list is above, any suggestion for the inclusion or exclusion of usernames/editors/participants is more than welcome. Feel free to edit the above list(s) and to write a rationale (here or there.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I think this is a great idea, even though it would leave me with two MOTD barnstars. Don't forget one for yourself! But in that case, if you're the one giving out the barnstars then wouldn't the message be shown as self-awarded? ~AH1(TCU)14:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
That is NOT a problem (^___^)!!! Anyway, I would like to ask Simply south (as senior editor of MOTD) if he is available and want to deliver the barnstars on behalf of MOTD, and, in this case, I will give the award to him. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I like the idea. I'm all for it. And yes, the "Hi878 isn't home" account is mine. Unbelievable that you weren't sure about it. :) I don't think that I need one of them, though, unless you think I need a third one of these. :) ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)00:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
So...the candidates for the barnstars are voting on whether or not they'll get one? Sweeet. Strong support fifty barnstars going to La Pianista. I don't know her very well, but rumor has it she's Tabasco.
Hot.
Sauce.
In any case, great idea, pjoef! I only have one complaint, though...where in hell's bathroom are you? I demand to see pjoef on that list immediately, or I shall play John Cage for forty-eight hours straight. In your bedroom. —La Pianista♫ ♪04:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm a huge fan of John Cage and I was on his train, in search for the lost silence, together with a progressive rock band, musicians, poets, actors, and artists of (or closer to) the Fluxus movement. The train was stuffed with loudspeakers, microphones, tape recordings, amplifiers... all producing random stuff and sound, and all under the direction of John Cage. So, it would be a great pleasure to listen to you playing (for 8 hours ~ not a minute more or less!!!) the Music of the MAESTRO!!! Seriously, I think that the consensus has been reached. Now, I will ask Simply south, if he wants to deliver all the awards, otherwise I will do it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I think it's all encompassing. Btw, i can't really award myself though but i will do all the others. Also there is no top person really although i suppose i could be called senior for being the project's oldest (lengthwise) still-active editor. And I'll do the others. Simply south (talk) 17:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
My goodness, La Pianista! Why did you have to do that! Pjoef was the only one with a higher number of edits to the In Review page than me, so now I'm number two... Sniff... :P ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)20:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, I had the "idea" but the decision was taken collectively, and, on behalf of our project, I thank you for your support to MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Summer 2010 MOTD Barnstar
I realised you cannot self-award the barnstar, so here is yours:
The MOTD Barnstar
This award is given to you for helping out Motto of the day. Thanks to your effort, MOTD has brilliantly and successfully passed the most difficult period of the year. In fact, there are mottoes scheduled until the end of the summer. For this reason MOTD would like to express heartfelt thanks to you for your support. We appreciate your efforts in further helping the project! – delivered by Forty two on behalf of Wikipedia:Motto of the day20:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I noticed your edits to the Norfolk Coast db page. It may have escaped your notice but the Norfolk coast does not stop at Winterton - It may be that "some people describe you as a genius" but I think that genius sometimes leads to missing the obvious :¬)
Can you perhaps return there and change it ? While I appreciate that the majority of the coast of Norfolk is indeed covered by the AONB but Hemsby, Newport, Scratby, California, Caistor-on-sea, Great Yarmouth, Gorleston and Hopton-on-sea could get very upset if they are not included as part of the coastline ?
This was something I tried to keep in mind when I edited the db page - it needs changing to become factually accurate.
Are you something to do with an association linked to the AONB?
And of course the point I was making is that "the Norfolk coast" is not the same as "the Norfolk coastal AONB"
You have changed the definition of "the Norfolk Coast" to be "the Norfolk Coastal AONB" which is much shorter.
"Thanks for the advice, but... ~ lol ~ I've just copied the first line from [[Norfolk Coast AONB|its own article]]" - No you did not. You copied the first line from "Norfolk Coast AONB" and put it in a disambiguation page for "Norfolk Coast".
You may not have noticed but the article "Norfolk Coastal AONB" is not an article on "The Norfolk Coast" and is not about the whole of the Norfolk coast? I should correct your mistake ? I do not think that your idea is appropriate. I think you should fix your own mistake.
Why ? do you think that a Stranglers album is more notable than the coast of Norfolk or is there some other point you are trying to make. Chaosdruid (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
That was the reason why I added the introductory line with The North Norfolk Coast area, but that is just a portion of the Norfolk Coast (I did not know about it before.) So, it is not the primary topic. Also, entries should be ordered to best assist the reader in finding their intended article. And, IMHO, the alphabetical order is always the best solution. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding my point on the coastline being more than just the AONB - the reason the rest is not included is that many of them are true seaside towns with beach–fronts made in the classic Victorian style and piers etc as well ending at Gt Yarmouth and the "wonderful" docks (lots of oil and gas pipeline supplies and terminals). I am also a Stranglers fan and have been since I saw them in Manchester in the late 70s - although my brother was a much bigger fan and was inspired by JJB to take up Thai boxing later that year :¬)
I can see your reasoning there although the small point of factoring notability in on that matter can also be mentioned. I would prefer that the stranglers album is not at the top due to the Google search results. I know that the Wiki traffic is marginally higher for the album but I'll let you see what I mean.
Norfolk coast by the Stranglers : Google search [4] gives 36,400 results : Wiki traffic 306
Norfolk coast : Google [5] gives 2,830,000 results (although you can subtract the 36,400 that are prob in there from the stranglers also)
I cannot really do a Wiki traffic to summarise the coast itself but if we were to take just Happisburgh alone that would give 742 and Great Yarmouth would give 5,707. To be more fair we could do one on just one beach in the AONB say Holkham and Holkham bay gives 966 +75
Yes! Great band! One of my favourites. The Stranglers' album is now at the bottom of the list, but I think that a factually accurate introductory line about the Norfolk coast would be the best solution. I tried to find out something about that place, but I found articles about the North Norfolk Coast and a lot of family resorts (^___^). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 21:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
That one on the 1st January was already a part of another special nom and should not be moved. I have already mentioned this there with different wording. Simply south (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
the Public Policy Initiative Assessment Team wants You!
Hi pjoef, thank you for assessing articles in the Wikiproject: United States Public Policy. This project is probably different than other assessment drives you have worked on, it involves more assessment of lower ranked articles, it has input and staff from the foundation, and specific goals to improve and measure content of public policy articles. It also involves collaboration from some university classes, we are using an experimental assessment rubric, and most articles will be assessed by multiple reviewers to get a range of scores for each article. I have learned a lot from many of the assessors comments and am really excited about the insight from this group of Wikipedians. I hope you are finding some benefits to involvement in this project. 1) your assessments are part of research that is attempting to increase credibility of Wikipedia in academic circles, 2) there is a great group of assessors involved in discussion of what is article quality and how to measure it, 3) WP:USPP is also piloting the Article Feedback tool, so if interested, those involved in assessment on the project will be asked to help improve and rate this tool as well, and 4) subject matter experts are assessing articles alongside Wikipedians and comparisons of results will provide some insight as to the rigor of Wikipedia quality rating.
To give you an update on assessment, about half of the assessments are complete for the first part of this first assessment. I had some trouble finding public policy experts to join us in assessing, but finally managed to recruit a group last week, hopefully some of them will join the discussion on the assessment talk page. Next week, I should have some preliminary results to share with you, I will also post the second assessment request very soon. The discussion on the talk page is very exciting, and I hope if you are interested, you will provide input on the Article Feedback Tool which is being piloted on articles in WP:USPP. Please let me know if there is anything I and the project team can do to make working on this project a more positive experience. Thanks again, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
PediaPress renderer for Wikipedia Books
I thought you might be interested in this. Basically, this would give you access to the PediaPress renderer used to print books and should allow you to review book as they would be printed (minus covers). If you find errors and problems, please report them at Help:Books/Feedback.
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Hi...I haven't actually contributed anything yet but I used to hang with and work for them from the earliest days of making The Clash album to when Mick got kicked out/Cut The Crap so I know a lot. I was especially close to Joe Strummer; he was like a big brother to me. I was even in his short movie Hell W10. The problem is, most of the stuff I can contribute can't be sourced since we didn't have the Internet then. I guess I could best help in an advisory capacity if you'd like to use me for the Project. Plus I have a bunch of pix.--Piepie (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Very cool. Yeah, it's a shame about Wikipedia's stringent citation rules cos most of the stuff I could bring to the table is non existent on the Interbutts. Did you read Strummer's bio Redemption Song? If not you should pick up a copy. Chris Salewicz did a bang-up job. But I should at least get my old pix scanned and uploaded to Commons. As for Hell W10, it's on YouTube y'know. --Piepie (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
WP:FILMS September 2010 Newsletter
The September 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey I just wanted to let you know that I am now using the Cite style exclusively! I am working on a lengthy article right now (not, alas, a WPClash article but soon, soon!) and I just cannot believe how much better everything is because of it! It's kind of like moving from a typewriter to a Mac :) Thank you so much for putting your helpful tips on my talk page! They were critical to me for making the changeover. SteveStrummer (talk) 01:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for contributing to WP:USPP, your assessments are a part of a deeper look at assessing article quality in Wikipedia. The quality and rationality behind the assessment scores by the Wikpedians on this project is really impressive, it is an insightful and knowledgeable group. There is some information about preliminary results of assessment data on the project assessment talk page, I hope you check it out and add your thoughts. There is also an additional article assessment request for you. This assessment set will wrap up the first experiment which analyzes the consistency of the quantitative metric and compares subject matter expert assessment to Wikipedian assessment.
The second experiment will start in November and you will be asked to assess articles and also provide feedback on the Article Feedback Tool. The results of that experiment will compare your idea of article quality to the ranking from the Article Feedback Tool and your input will help improve that tool. I hope you enjoy being a part of this research, I am pretty excited about the results so far, and am looking forward to continuing to work with you on assessment. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Pjoef, thank you for contributing to article assessment for WP:USPP. Your assessments are very appreciated. There will be weekly updates about the research for this project posted here, look for the first one tomorrow. The next assessment request will come in early November. There is a lot of expertise and discussion about article quality happening in the project, so stay tuned. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 01:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I must say that when I read "... and (pay attention to the logical [and grammatical] conjunction)..." I fell off my chair laughing! Hailypaige (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
My pleasure! I didn't know about ThermaHelm before. I hope it will help save many lives. Thank you for this innovative technology, and all the best for its future.
A couple of "annoying" things: The article needs more information and to be expanded, otherwise, I fear that it will be deleted. If I understood correctly, ThermaHelm is both the name of the helmet (hey, what about designing a lighter version for heavy-duty works [construction, mining, ...]?) and the name of the Ltd. company. I think that it needs a proper and good introduction (see: Wikipedia:Lead section) to summarize its most important aspects, then a section about the company and the company history, and a section with possibly one or more 3rd level subsections (code: ===3rd level subsection title===) about the helmet(s) and how it works (see: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout)). Lastly, I want to remind you, but I'm sure you already know that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for propaganda, advertising, and showcasing (see: Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion). So, we can only publish balanced third-party verifiable materials written in an objective and unbiased style, and with a neutral point of view, of course (see: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest).
All good points. Do note that we are simply making the public aware of the technology and that we sell nothing through our website or anywhere else. Once we have the technology ready for consumer rider protection, we hope to. Would very much like for you to add to the article. Can email you more information...would that help? Hailypaige (talk) 19:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I understand completely your points about commercial promotion and agree completely that such activity is Totally inappropriate, wrong and want no part of promoting same on this uber-cool altruistic site. As a matter of fact, the owner of identySOL added a link to his site without using a registered account and I instructed him to remove it and he has done so.
ThermaHelm is the name of the technology (think Intel Inside) and also the company. However, ThermaHelm as a company will soon cease and Cool Technologies Limited (established) will be the issuer of licences to use the brain cooling patent for individual application as shown here on the World Intellectual Property Organization http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009095690. Perhaps this link or information should be added? Any help or guidance would be most greatfully appreciated. As we are deep into development and having a soft launch at the NEC International Motorcycle Show from November 27 - December 5th, I am unable to pay the correct attention to learn all about Wikipedia, however, am honoured that you have chosen to create the page for it. Indeed, lives will be saved - rest assured.
Perhaps I should send you our Executive Summary. We intend to change the status quo of head protection for children by con vesting kids to full face head protective head gear and the sales of the adult helmets will subsidise the child helmets which will be offered for 75% less than the adult's models.
Good idea about construction hats. We have also been approached by a firefighter (and motorcycle) helmet company in Germany called Schuberth. F1, equestrian, bicycle and many other applications are all possible. Very exciting for us all. Feel free to come down to the University for a chat. I have some friends to are in the music business from Norman Cook to those who actively write lyrics for common names in the industry and this may be of help to your research.
My contact details are on the website so feel free to give me a call whenever a free moment presents itself (07779000900). Best, J. Hailypaige (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Those are great news! Children are our future!!! Very well done and thank you once again. I had the "enable email from other users" option disabled, but I've now activated it, so feel free to send me anything you think would be of interest for that page and Wikipedia. The "email from other users" option is available from the "Toolbox" on the left column, when a registered user is viewing any User page or User talk page (or "just click this link to send me an email" [max 4.5 MB per email]. If possible, send me the citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged. Books, academic and scientific journals and publications, newspapers, and magazines are the best sources, their web sites are good, while blogs and other web sites are unacceptable. I've started a new section on my sandbox, so feel free to use it instead of the email. I thought of using a reference to identitySOL for the GPS tracking units, but they published the news in their home page only, and I preferred not to use it at the moment. Last but not least, I have not visited www.wipo.int yet, but plan to do so very soon (maybe today, or at the latest tomorrow). Best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
WP:FILM October 2010 Newsletter
The Octoberr 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Next WP:USPP assessment
Hi Pjoef/Archive! Since Amy Roth's out on maternity leave, I'm pushing out the next round of assessments she needs. This time, we're comparing your assessment to readers' assessments. And instead of us assigning you articles, we're letting you pick! The full list of topics is on a subpage of the Assessment tab on our WikiProject. Please choose 10 of the articles to assess. Use the link in the section title to go to the appropriate version of the article.
Also, as a thank you for all your help, I'd like to send you a small package of Wikipedia swag. Please email me your address.
Hello Pjoef, nice to meet you, just a quick note: i didn't fill in the previous/next albums in Makeba's entries because I am not that much sure we have a full discography. Back when I wrote Makeba's entry for it.wiki i mainly referred to this for discography, but every now and then I bumped into other albums that source didn't mention. There is also quite a mess about compilations, reprints with different titles, you name it. This is quite common for artists who were popular in the 1960s or earlier, and for African artists, and for artists who have relocated far and wide in their lives, and with Makeba you've got the full house. That said, I might be fine with the decision to fill in "previous/next" based on what we've got in the article, so, it was just for the sake of clarity. Thank you, see you! Moongateclimber (talk) 16:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you are right, and I think the same of you. I started with the intention to expand the lead section of that article. So, I have started editing from the bottom... External links, References, See also, Discography ... with the intention to arrive to the lead section ~ hahaha. For her discography I'm using the following websites as sources: 1. allmusic MM discography; 2. discogs MM; 3. rateyourmusic MM (I find it more accurate than the previous two, especially for release dates and record labels); 4. akh's makeba (a great website about MM... I've to thank Spacini for it!) While the first two websites are considered reliable sources, but very often they have (as in the case of MM) incorrect data, the other two ~ hum ~ I'm not sure if they are considered "good sources". The "last/next" thingY in the chronology of the {{Infobox album}} templates now follows all her albums which are already on Wikipedia, and seems to be working fine. Thank you so much for your (much appreciated) message. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, While tidying up self-contradictions, I noticed that you recently restored Kosmische Musik from a redirect. There's some discussion going on about re-merging the information, and I was surprised no one thought to point it out to you! --Worm14:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Third WP:USPP Assessment
Hi Pjoef/Archive! Thanks so much for your help on the Public Policy Initiative assessments. I really appreciate all your help -- we'll be in great shape when Amy gets back, thanks to all of your efforts! The next round of assessments is ready for you to review. Like the previous round, please pick 10 of the articles to review from the list, and it's especially critical that you use the version I've linked to for these.
This round measures the baseline quality of articles before our students started working on them. Many of these articles have undergone drastic revision already, so it may not be useful to leave comments about them on the talk pages. We'll be asking you to review the same set of articles once students have finished them too, so please be sure you're using the links provided so you're getting the versions immediately prior to when the students made their first edits. Ideally, these assessments should be completed by December 1.
I anticipate this taking a lot less time than previous rounds, as many of these articles are quite short. If you have extra time and want to help, please go back to round two and do a few more assessments -- especially on any articles that have only one or two assessments completed. I need a minimum of three assessments for each article, and some of the articles farther down the list still need attention.
Hey Pjoef. I noticed you signed up for the Article Feedback Workgroup. I was wondering if you'd like to help us with Phase 2 of the feature. A goal for this phase is to better understand how these ratings reflect article quality. To do this, we're going to be applying the article feedback tool to page which we are fairly certain will undergo substantial revision in the near future (e.g., upcoming elections, movies, etc.). We can then evaluate the ratings before and after the substantial revisions and see if the revisions actually impact ratings.
Would you have time to help manage the articles that we're putting the feedback tool on? We're created a list of Additional Pages, but there are some other ideas that are floating around as well. It would be great if we could get some help coordinating these additional pages and then communicating with the English Wikipedia community. For more background, please check out this post and the Phase 2 design doc.
Hey Pjoef. Just wanted to let you know that I left a comment on the Article Feedback Workgroup page. User: Sadads wants to be involved and it would be great to include him. Please take a look when you have a moment. Thanks! Howief (talk) 00:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Invitation to particpate in the December 2010 Wikification Drive
Hi there! I thought you might be interested in the December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive. We're currently recruiting help to clear a massive backlog (22,000+ articles), and we need your help! Participants in the drive will receive barnstars for their contributions! If you have a spare moment, please join and wikify an article or tell your friends. Thanks!
The November 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun!
Get going.
The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun. Please get started, as the drive aims to wikify over 2,000 articles this month. We're going to need all the firepower we can get, so please remind your friends to join up as well. In case you didn't know, wikification is fairly simple: just add wiki markup, links, and similar formatting. Thanks for joining; we're looking forward to an exciting time this month!
Very well!!! That's okay, because many people who read Wikipedia did not see the stub templates (they are too little and too small, and, you know, they are placed at the very bottom of a page.) So, I think that being "redundant" here is a very good thingY (especially because readers will notice the banner on top of a page, and, probably, will help by expanding it.) I do not like a lot of templates, but, IMHO, {{Expand}} and {{Expand section}} are the most useful of all templates. Anyway, thank you so very much for the advice, and happy editing! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks pjoef, for all your work assessing articles with WP:USPP over the past few months. I will have some results to report to the assessment team in January. The next semester should be pretty exciting there are over 25 university classes signed up with the project. Your input is helping to gauge how successful the project is, not just at improving the quality of public policy articles, but at incorporating Wikipedia as a teaching tool and recruiting and retaining college students as editors. we still need you in 2011, but it will mostly be assessments of student articles. Currently, there is another round of assessments to look at the improvements students made to their articles. If possible please assess by 5 January 2011; these results will be presented at an international conference later in January! Have a wonderful holiday season, all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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hi Pjoef, Thank you for all your work on assessment with WP:USPP. You assessed more articles than anyone else. I will write and report the results soon, but we have strong numbers that show that Wikipedians rate articles 4 points tougher on average than experts and Wikipedian scores are more consistent, these results are statistically significant. There will probably be mostly pre and post assessment of student work in the spring semester. You were on my mind because I entered your username so many times while working with the data. Awesome job! 69.181.205.124 (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I know that each article needs at least 3 assessments and that the deadline was on the 5th of January (2011), so I decided to do "overtime" (^___^) a day before the deadline to achieve the maximum possible number of reviews. I am very sorry if I have "bored" you, and squattered and illegally occupied your mind with my "username" (^___^). I hope I have been (an I'll be) of some help, all the best and keep me informed about the project. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:37, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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First, thanks Pjoef, I am in awe of the work the assessment team did for this project. The results from the quantitative metric assessments were amazing, really. Check out what your work shows about Wikipedia article quality - I think it’s exciting, but you’ve probably figured out by now that I’m a bit of a nerd. A summary is posted on the Assessment page and a report will be on the Outreach wiki.
Second, I wanted to ask if you haven’t done many assessments on the Student post articles,I know you've probably done a bunch I really appreciate your work. So if you feel like it, articles toward the bottom have only 1 or none assessments. I know some of the material is pretty dry, but this assessment is the most important one for the fall semester and this assessment will be the primary method of showing article quality to the project grant funder. I am going to try to recruit a couple more assessors for the spring so you don't have to do everything ;) HUGE Thanks - ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 07:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hello,
I added The Innocents as all girl band because, like the Slits they were seen as allgirl band, but both bands had a male at times. Should I undo this? Should the Slits be there? Am I answering my own question?
Is there a category that they could be in that represents predominantly female-centric bands.
Thanks again for all, EstherLaver (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Well, I don't know. When I think of all-female bands the first bands/groups that come to mind are The Shirelles, The Ronettes, The Shangri-Las, Martha and the Vandellas, and The Supremes. But, they all were all-female singing group from the 1960s. In the 1970s there were The Shaggs, Sister Sledge, Heart, The Runaways, The Go-Go's, and The Slits. I think that if The Slits are listed (and categorized) as an all-female band, then The Innocents should be listed there too. The only difference between The Slits and The Innocents is that The Slits started (in 1976–1977) as an all-female band and then Budgie replaced Palmolive in 1979, while The Innocents had Greg van Cook within their ranks since the beginning. And, what about Delta 5? They started as an all-female trio, but are not listed nor categorized as an all-female band. My opinion is leave them where they are and then see what happens. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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Don't ever move books from a carefully selected Further reading section into the References section. I'd prefer it if you just stop editing that article altogether. This article has some serious content issues and your trivial cosmetic changes are only making matters worse than better. —Ruud14:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
What? You are totally wrong!!! Next time, check it out better!!! I'm trying to clean up that article. Yes, I moved two references/books from the Further reading section to the References section, but they BOTH are used as online citations. So, it is more than RIGHT! Please, revert only when necessary. In any case, it is my intention to group all the notes, quotes, and citations. So, it would be easier to see if there are any incorrect information and sources. By the way, I have not found incorrect info, excluding the Fibonacci thing about the fractional notation. But, this is exactly what I'm doing there. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The article is full of factual inaccuracies. If you didn't spot any, you should really ask yourself if you're the right person to clean the mess. —Ruud14:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I read that article line by line, word by word. In my latest edits I was trying to consolidate and group all the references, and to move quotes into Footnotes, sources (in a simple notation style: Author(s) last name, year) into Notes, and cited books and journals into Sources, and they all were linked together. Most of those sources are available online (for example on "gigol" book), and by using this method, it was very simple to verify all the sources. It was a really hard job, I spent about 12 hours of my time on it, and I WAS STILL WORKING on that fucking article. Who the fuck are you to say to me: "your trivial cosmetic changes" or "you should really ask yourself if you're the right person to clean the mess" if you are not able to see and understand what I was doing on that article? Well, to respond to your second question, I'm an intermediate mathematician and an Atheist, so I do not think there are many people who are better than me at that. Anyway, I've reported you for vandalism. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, the fact that you have to ask doesn't give me much confidence. The main problem with these articles is that the editor who wrote them was rather terrible at "summarizing" the sources he found into something that still accurately reflected what they said. For example, could you point out what would be wrong with the statement "The first known proof by mathematical induction was introduced in the al-Fakhri written by Al-Karaji around 1000 AD, who used it to prove arithmetic sequences such as the binomial theorem, Pascal's triangle, and the sum formula for integral cubes."?
Verifying the statements against the sources also requires you have access to them via JSTOR and a (university) library. The original editor based many of his claims on books fragments from Google Books, but that's not good enough you need to have the whole book to be sure you don't miss the context. Cleaning this up properly is much more important than cleaning this up fast. —Ruud18:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, your point of view is right, but it is also my point of view. Well, I would like to explain what was my intention with that article. I was trying to group references starting from the top of the article and I did about 4-5% of the whole thing. For example, you wrote that I moved books from Further reading section into the References section, but those books are cited inline so there is no need nor reason to include them into a (NOT so carefully selected) Further reading section (it is also too big and with too many redlinks), while, on the contrary, it is NECESSARY to include them into the References section. In the 4-5% I did (and I'm not talking about the wikification drive because I "wikified" the article before the "cleanup-1a" template was placed and appeared on top of it) I found out a lot of inline REF TAGS or citation templates with the same name or with different names but exactly the same content (including the page number(s), volume, edition and etcetera). This was what I was trying to do. When this kind of work would be finished, then I would liked to start a much harder and longer process of verifying all sources (including the "/" sign-Fibonacci assertion, but if you or other editors delete it while I'm working on it, all become very-very difficult), which should certainly be better than some of the edits I've seen there (see [6]); edits that deleted references, threw away some portions of the article based on POV of editors who are not mathematicians, and involved a couple of bots to correct part of those edits. Who was that talked about a "fast cleanup"? I repeatedly placed {{under construction}} and {{In use}} on top of the page and I stopped editing the page when you "stubbed" it. Anyway, there is no problem. If I can help, then you are welcome to PM me, otherwise I will save my energy for something else. Cheers, and sorry once again. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I had a quick look at the article (I have been watching Jagged related articles for some time) and while I did not take the time to work out exactly what was going on it did appear that there was a lot of moving text around which can be very confusing to anyone trying to properly clean it up. If some editor performs significant changes to the article, the implication (when they are finished) is that they are happy with the sections edited, including the most fundamental point, namely that material is properly sourced (WP:V, WP:NPOV). That does not help clean Jagged's POV from the article. I prefer any reply to be here, with no talkback thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 23:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The Jagged 85 cleanup is based on the difference between the edits made by Jagged 85 and the previous versions, so it has little importance to know how is the current state of the article. If we will find a problem, it would be easy to find it out on the latest version of the article, and, as you know, the article was edited thousands of times and was reviewed and assessed as B-class, and I read it line by line, and word by word. As I wrote before, my current work on that article was referred only to the References sections (grouping and consolidating), so it was not moved any text visible and readable from the front-end, in other words by readers, anywhere. Before the article was tagged for cleanup, I moved the Biography section at the bottom of the article (above the See also section), but its contents remained the same. However, I said that I can manage and take care of the whole process related to that article. What is the importance of the method I use? I know what I did, and the important thing is the end result rather than the process used to achieve the goal, so I think I can help. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I know. I checked out his first 27 (out of 338) edits on that article (all dated back in 2006) and they all seem to be good edits. If you want, I can check the remaining 301 edits later this week. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I can point out several factual inaccuracies in the article. I don't know in which edit they where introduced, so they might well be in one of the 300 or so remain diffs you have not yet looked at. The diffs, however are most useful for the many articles where Jagged made only a small number of edits. For the articles where he is the main contributor is going to be easier to just verify each and every sentence in the latest version. —Ruud17:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but I read it all and many times. I think that the several factual inaccuracies are problems related to the subject than to the revisions of a single editor. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
What? Are you disputing the statement at WP:Jagged 85 cleanup where it says many edits involve the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements ... severe misuse of sources: misrepresenting what a source has asserted; reporting only one side from a source; quoting out of context; inventing claims using a source related to the topic but which does not verify the claim.? Or are you suggesting that this article is an exception where these problems did not occur (highly unlikely)? Johnuniq (talk) 02:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I said and I repeat that:
Mathematics in medieval Islam is mostly well-sourced, comprehensible and reasonably clear, and follows the NPOV policy, with only minor exceptions. It's the subject (History of mathematics) that is controversial. About the Jagged85 "cleanup", I don't know and and I'm not interested at all. What I know is that a good article has been stubbed and now readers can not enjoy, usufruct and make use of the content of the page, and you know this is not good! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Many editors would be horrified if told that a user had systematically added "facts" to articles with sources, but it turned out that many of the facts were made up POV nonsense, and that the sources plainly did not support the claims. This issue is not one of a "controversial topic": it is one of deliberate fabrication. That is much more damaging to the encyclopedia than a bunch of vandals going around and inserting nonsense. Your equanimity under the circumstances is puzzling, or are you saying that you are sufficiently expert in the topic that you can assess that all the claims made in the article are accurate? I do not want talkback. Johnuniq (talk) 09:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I am more than sufficiently expert in mathematics and a bit less in history of mathematics. Furthermore, the period taken into account in that article is one of the most obscure in human history, the Middle Ages, which saw so many books to be burnt to ashes. And yet, mathematics in medieval Islam is not "fully" part of the so-called "Western philosophies of mathematics", and it has been greatly influence by Indian and Chinese mathematicians and philosophers. About the references used in that article, it was exactly the work I was doing on it, when I was trying to tidy up all the quotes and group all of them into a proper Notes section, and to eliminate double citations (I'm talking about templates that had the same values and the same page(s) but different name identifiers) when I was stopped from working by Ruud. In fact, I was accused by Ruud of moving two books from the Further reading section to References, when they both were used as sources in that article, and of messing it up, when I was working on it. At the end of the work that I could not complete due to Ruud intervention, it was my intention, as far as possible, to check all the sources one by one, line by line, word by word. As I said before about the Jagged85's thingY, I'm not interested at all. I think that an article on Wikipedia has its own life. It will be edited many times and gradually with the passage of time most of the errors and inaccuracies will be detected and corrected. So, I think we should not worry about it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:34, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
You did a good job on that article Pjoef. Thank you for taking time to try to help. I can't believe the way you were treated in this thread. I am just now beginning to see what has happened here. Aquib (talk) 01:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
You are more than welcome, and thank you for nominating The Future is Unwritten. I'm a huge fan of the only band that [still] matters and JOE [R.I.P. :'('''''] JOE is a personal HERO of mine, but in two or more years that I'm working and collaborating with MOTD, I never found the courage (^_____^) to nominate one of their quotes, sentences, slogans, phrases, or lyrics /o\. So, it is I who must thank you!!! Please, check out our WikiProject when you have time. It is not so active, but by September 2010 there is a new portal dedicated to them. If you need help on MOTD and Wikipedia, please don't hesitate to write me a message here, and I will be very happy to help you.
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First, I hope I haven't messed up terribly on the above links. Am totally new at attempting to contact Wikipedians such as yourself. Please forgive my ineptness!!
Dear Sir, You are one of many who have done yeoman's service for Mr. Herrman's Wikipedia page. I have taken a lead in trying to deal with coding that others cannot or will not do (pics, references/citations, minor corrections, occasional inserts), yet I am hardly an expert, as the numerous corrections by you and yours attest! The point, however, is that Mr. Herrman is a remarkable philosopher and the traffic to the page is wonderful given its recent origin. He is coming to be a renown authority in several areas. In this case I put up a page on Wiktionary based on his extraordinary theoretical work in the concepts of office and stewardship. Of course, I may have made mistakes or unwittingly committed violations of Wiki policy. At any rate this page, which everyone who I showed it to thought was fantastic, was summarily taken down, why I simply have no idea. Mr. Herrman lauded the effort and in fact asked me to undertake it because he has observed questionable press on the Wiktionary project and he desires that it gain greater credit, and his way of helping out is to demand of me, for example, to create the very highest quality pages that really highlight the potential for this project. Because you are one who has done so much for the quality of the Charles_S._Herrman site, I wondered if you could offer advice to me for what I may have done wrong on the Wiktionary "Stewardship" page, or perhaps intervene on our behalf with the person(s) who erased the page. And please let me thank you in advance. Mr man1951 (talk) 23:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I am a bit confused. Do you really mean Wiktionary (the English version of our multi-language dictionary), or are you referring to Wikipedia (our multi-lang encyclopedia)? What is the URL (full URL: http://www.somedomain.ext/pathto/pagename.ext; please, copy and paste from the address bar in your browser) to the page that has been taken down? I found a page on Wikipedia named Stewardship (theology), but I do not think it is the page you are referring to. And, when you say that I am "one who has done so much for the quality of the Charles S. Herrman site", are you referring to the Wikipedia page? Do you know that Wikipedia or, more correctly, the Wikimedia Foundation has other projects such as Wikibooks, which is an open-content textbooks collection, Wikisource, our online library of free content publications, and Wikiversity for learning resources, learning projects, and research? Okay, some of my questions are no longer valid, so do not pay any attention to them. I saw the revision history of "stewardship" entry on Wiktionary. I do not think the dictionary/wiktionary is a good place to put all that information, but I am not an expert at it, and did just few edits/contributions there. Also, the dictionary uses its own syntax, style, forms and format, and they differ from those used here on Wikipedia. I think it is possible to add there a link to the Stewardship article here on Wikipedia and "move" all the great work you did on that article on Wiktionary to the Stewardship article here on Wikipedia. About the Wiktionary entry, first of all try to contact Msh210 on his/her talk page and ask him/her why he/she reverted your edits on that page. I hope it will be possible to bring back some of the good parts of the content that you had put in there. My advice/suggestion is to work on the Stewardship article here on Wikipedia, which is certainly more suitable for "storing" all that information. In any case, I am at your disposal, and please keep me informed about that. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Well, it's been a while, but the Wikipedia piece at entry Stewardship took some real old fashioned effort. I believe you will approve the changes. Also, I have recently heard from an acquaintance who said that the article on Charles S. Herrman (that I mainly manage) is the "best Wikipedia article" he has ever seen!! Wow, what a great feeling to get responses like that! Also, I find that some editors turned that site into a book, which I hope will be a feather in someone's cap.
You're welcome, and don't apologize. If you have any questions or queries about Wikipedia, editing,... please don't hesitate to contact me and I will be glad to be of any help I can. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh dear me. Wonder if somebody is taking out a vendetta on Mr. Herrman. I know it is not my place to ask for intervention, but the recent events are so utterly alarming I at least wanted to keep you abreast. Within two days (and less than a week since Mr. Herrman had a serious falling out with someone who tried to displace his lead position in proposing a legal remedy for abuse of office) two of the Wikipedians erected five flags. One of the two suggested that the content wasn't even about Mr. Herrman - well, actually, every stitch is about him and true. Of course we do not know of any animosity for a fact, but do wonder at the timing. Anyway, one of Mr. Herrman's strongest advocates and myself will be sending very polite questions to those two, requesting whatever information will be of help. We will keep you abreast. Thanks as always for your attention. Mr man1951 (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
It appears, in the breakneck pace of recent events, that a civil approach with simple questions asking for the rationale behind several sloppily defended complaints was not in the cards. That is unfortunate. If I understand their comments on the talk page/removal page they will be examining all Wiki pages for evidence of my hand, and they will find several, one of which will be of interest to yourself as you were involved in it. While you may feel yourself abused by my duplicity - fully acknowledged now that the page and recent events permit the rationale to be persuasively presented, and which they simply could not have been were I to have stupidly followed an outdated piece of discriminatory nonsense, I can, while feeling for your position, not only not apologize, but remind you of your office. Please attend to these matters by doing the right thing. You are a reasonable interlocutor and honest voice it seems to me. Let's see if we cannot all achieve an acceptable outcome.Mr man1951 (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I hope my two cents on the discussion will help. If I can give you some free advice, talk with Wtshymanski (talk·contribs) and try to solve the problem, and eventually ask for the intervention and reviews by participants to WikiProject Philosophy (talk) and WikiProject Biography (talk). Regarding the sockpuppet investigation, I'm not an expert on the subject, and I do not know if you have more than an account or if it is forbidden to have multiple accounts on Wikipedia. I do not think so, I think it is more important what you do on Wikipedia, your contributions to Wikipedia, and not the number of accounts. If you haven’t yet, please read Wikipedia:Sock puppetry and all related links. Sorry for not answering sooner. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I thank you, Pjoef. My expectation is that those (including me!) who have little knowledge of the inner sanctum works are going to direct themselves to what logic and common sense direct, namely, to place remarks/comments on the 'remove' page. After all, the link is given in the remove tag on the Charles S. Herrman site. Folks understandably prefer simple logic to refined complexity, metaphysicians not excepted. Your higher brass might need to know, for example, that though I am far from being the dullest blade in the drawer, the process of learning page creation and editing was nothing less than a nightmare and that was, quite frankly, not appreciated. I would be happy to assist in correcting all such nonsense (for frankly that's what it amounts to. There is NO REASON to have to read a book or two in order to accomplish what is in point of ultimate fact brutally simple). After the period of comments we will proceed based on the behavior and suggestion of the editors immediately concerned.
I am sorry to see the tenor of exchange reduced to caviling but it is all too human, isn't it? Having researched the guidelines governing notability I now believe you and I are fully vindicated. I suspect you took a portion of what you sourced from the 'notable people' and the rest from 'notable academics'. I, too, observed the distinction and made something of it, with justification I believe. Tomorrow an advocate is apparently set to give a full analysis fully crediting your observations. I am not slightly chagrined that your colleagues went after your first statement, or so it seemed to me. I note also the glib, I might have said arrogantly snide, comments as to the process itself. My goodness gracious but this is disturbing. I feel sorry for you, Pjoef, I have done what places you in the middle and I regret any negativity caste your direction by your peers here at Wikipedia. I also recently read that a certain sort of deletion request, 'proposed' presupposes no disagreement from editorial staff. But now I am uncertain just what sort of 'deletion' we are dealing with. I wonder if you can set me straight. Always my thanks for your impartial objectivity and willingness to keep your offices open, certain and unsullied. I respect you, and for the moment that says rather a lot.Mr man1951 (talk) 04:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestions on my talk page (I nearly never learned of it because I so rarely go there!). And then I saw that G.M. entered directly under yours. Nice. But hey, he at least seemed willing to listen to what third party evidence I could muster. Point is, except for the Hartshorne recommendation there was never any reason to insert them in the Charles S. Herrman page. They simply aren't relevant, though they do speak to notability. And after G.M.'s recent remark instructing me to stop offering logical explanations, I decided I should just give him what I have right to his talk page. That was an extensive missive that I hope got where it was supposed to go. It detailed OKC Daily Oklahoman report on my moderating a small event, listing me as 'Philosopher and Behavioral Theorist'. Also mentioned Joe Ransdell's backing of an NEH project of mine (he is the late Peirce scholar who ran a major Peirce listserve and a site devoted to Perice's work and secondary work on him. Stuff like that. I hope it helps. As ever... Mr man1951 (talk) 02:43, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Hope all is well. Am awaiting only a comment from overseas folks and even with email it has been bothersome and time-consuming. As I mentioned, I wrote a long list of things to G.M. as I can't find any trace of it or evidence. And, frankly, I really don't even know if he is the right destination. At length I created a file with all the information save one that eluded my best efforts. But because it is a file with everything from images to links and text, I have no earthly idea how to make it available, let alone to whom. I can email it but I doubt that is considered kosher in these quarters. Have you any ideas here? Thanks so much in advance, and As ever... Mr man1951 (talk) 23:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
A note to express my deep appreciation to you, Pjoef. I apologized for the mix-up trying to get information to G.M. I got your message re trying to list the notability material on the removal talk page, and I am unsatisfied that of course it remains hearsay without the actual evidence. I hope it can be presented without undo difficulty given my comparative lack of technical expertise in computer management, etc. Not exactly a Luddite, but none too swift, either. I hope I didn't berate anyone terribly but I must say all of this does pain me, frustrates me and occasionally infuriates me. I just can't get these folks to realize that I value Wikipedia and strongly believe that my work (and others, to be sure) can add to its status in no violation whatsoever, given a moderate interpretation and clarification of the already existing guidelines. I notice a consistent presumption of bad motives, and an almost reckless refusal to give reasonable counters to reasonable facts and arguments. But I will try to persevere and your integrity will have been as or more important than all of my efforts when the day is done. For that I am flabbergasted, for no one else was prepared to come forth. Again, my deepest appreciation. Mr man1951 (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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Public Policy Initiative Recruiting Assessors for Spring
Hi Pjoef,
I hope you are up for spring semester. I really appreciate your input. Your work assessing article quality is really valuable and generated some excellent results from fall semester. The assessment process has been streamlined and dates are clearly posted for the upcoming assessment rounds. The Initiative has a lot more classes signed up for spring, so I would like to recruit some more Wikipedian assessors, and I was hoping you could help with that. I think community members would be more likely to participate if they are recruited by Wikipedians like yourself who have a good reputation. The strategy that worked last semester was to leave an individual message on the talk pages of non-adversarial Wikipedians. I looked for people by contributions to public policy related articles and those active on the 1.0 Editorial Team. I usually mentioned in the message what specifically about their work history made me think they would be a good assessment team participant. This is super time consuming to contact like 50 people, but only doing a few is not so bad. Also, I am looking for feedback about assessing with PPI, so please check out the discussion on the assessment tab, and let me know there if you have a chance to recruit some other assessors. I hope you are looking forward to another great semester working on this project. Drop me a line - ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 06:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the PPI invite, it sounds interesting, but I don't think I'd be a good fit. I hail from Canada, disagree with a lot of American policies both foreign and domestic and probably would be too opinionated/angry in assessments (not that I wouldn't have a point, I just don't know if I'm up for feeling angry about American policies during my Wikipedia time, since I spend lots of other time doing that) But thanks again for letting me know about it. Nihola (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Nihola, I understand what you mean but maybe (certainly) I expressed myself badly. WP:USPP serves as a pilot project for assessing Wikipedia articles with a system's rubric and quantitative metric based on multiple fields (comprehensiveness, sourcing, neutrality, readability, formatting and illustrations) throughout the WPs banner within their talk pages, and "currently" at the bottom of their "front" pages (eg. see Fair Sentencing Act) by using the Article Feedback Tool (home page for the Article Feedback Tool at MediaWiki). It does not necessarily require a specific knowledge of USPPs, but knowledge about wiki syntax, pages layout, sourcing, comprehensibility-neutrality-readability, images and graphics, and etc.. The "required" work is slightly easier: to review c.a. 5 articles in a month / 4 times a semester. Also, professors at USPP programs in universities in the US are now participating in this initiative by asking their students to improve English Wikipedia articles about USPP. This will serve for both tracking changes to the article quality based on the "massive" and hopefully good quality edits made by these students, and testing out the assessment metrics for both the WP:USPP assessing banner and the Article Feedback Tool. If the experimental phase of the project will be successful, this new metric and tool will then be extended to and used by all other articles on the English Wikipedia. In other words, this pilot experiments with a new mechanism of quality assessment and it's more about statistics and mathematics. In any case, thank you for your prompt reply. Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Re: Public Policy Initiative Recruiting Assessors for Spring
Thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, due to real life shenanigans, I can't guarantee that I'll be at all available in the upcoming months, so I am avoiding signing up for anything where others might depend on my work, at the moment. Sophus Bie(talk)02:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Sophus Bie, thanks for your reply. Well, I understand your problem, which is the same as mine, but I can assure you that the assessment procedure takes no more than five minutes for each article (the time spent reading an article). If you'll have a bit of spare time to help (but in any case), we will welcome you with open arms! All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive Awards!
The Special Barnstar
This Special Barnstar is given to Pjoef for wikifying 210 articles, a total of 114,255 words. Thanks for participating, and please be sure to help out at our next drive! Sumsum2010·T·C·Review me!23:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Requesting assistance on a new RFC/U for Mathematics in medieval Islam
Hi Pjoef,
Thank you for your participation in the RFC regarding the stubbing of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article, and speaking out against this outrageous behavior. The issues surrounding this RFC are complex. I believe it is important
they be dealt with in a way that provides support for further actions in the near future. This problem goes beyond the Mathematics in medieval Islam article, but it needs to be dealt with one step at a time in order to avoid confusion and build a comprehensive foundation for further action.
I need your help in order to move forward. The next step I hope hope to take is opening a separate RFC/U (user) to deal with inappropriate behavior in the original incident involving Pjoef, Ruud Koot and WMC (William M Connelley). The proposed RFC would deal with the sequence of events that led up to the intial stubbing, as well as the repeated re-stubbing of the article when I have attempted to revert it.
The subject matter must be narrowly limited to that appropriate for an RFC/U (user behavior) action. It covers the provocation of Pjoef by RK, the insults and attempted intimidation of Pjoef by RK and others, the lack of discussion on the talk page before the stubbing occurred, the lack of proof of problems with the article, the agreement of RK and WMC between themselves to stub the article, the way the article was initially moved rather than being stubbed (causing the temporary loss of article history), and their refusal to subsequently revert the article.
Remedies should include reverting the article to its pre-stubbed state, and I also firmly believe Pjoef deserves an apology.
In addition, I also suggest these two users should withdraw from the editing of Islamic articles and JAG-related issues.
In order to proceed, I need at least one other user to agree to certify the RFC/U (the more the better). This is done by placing specific language on talk pages at the right time, after the RFC/U has been prepared and we agree on its contents. I cannot proceed to RFC/U by myself. I also need suggestions on how the RFC/U should be worded and what should be included. I can write the RFC/U and drive the process, but I need you support.
Please reply on my talk page to let me know if you are interested in helping me recover this article and correct this injustice. If you know anyone else who would like to participate, please invite them to reply to my talk page as well.
Reply From Berr (also cc'd to Pjoef): I am an infrequent editor and so, I've never participated in an RFC. An RFC/U might be needed if Pjoef thinks it would help to start one; My inclination would be to deal with all the pages involved and addresses the overzealous editing without respect to individuals (as was the case with the apparently flawed Jagged process). That doesn't mean these individuals aren't abusing a blind spot in the system though. I am simply too new to the discussion and too unfamiliar with the "cleanup" crew's edits to make claims against them personally. However I will happily participate in an RFC/U as an unbiased observer of the recent discussion.
I would more happily participate in a process that allows us to suggest remedies to all pages in question, since at the very least folks cannot accuse me of having an "axe to grind". An AfC listing the pages that were deleted or stubbed in response to the Jag cleanup would be a great place to start. On the two talk pages for math and science, I listed the ones mentioned upthread on the talk page for Talk:Science in medieval Islam.
Regarding the RFC/U, I suggest that [Aquib] confer with Pjoef on how best to proceed, since he seems to be the editor whose work was most affected, being the person who took it on to review and clean up the article (which I don't have the expertise for) and the persons who deleted it wouldn't let him. I only know enough about the subject to criticize the process, and the persons involved seem to be using that loophole (what I like to call WP:BLINDSPOT) where there is a lack of expertise (compare WP:BATHWATER) by placing the burden of proof on anyone attempting to add anything even when citations are properly sourced.
Also note that the existence of a {{Verification failed}} / {{Not specifically in source}} template, [failed verification] used to tag individual claims in an article, makes the entire Jagged 85 verdict unnecessary (to completely stub all pages on the subject, and revert pjoef's good-faith efforts).
Like I said, I'll happily participate, but I can only speak to what I've seen and read in the recent discussion on the Islamic science and math talk pages, not to past shenanigans. And I'll actively second any request for a new AfC (??) addressing all the "Jagged" pages. Part of the problem is that the guy who actually went deleted some of the pages as part of the "cleanup" was a hit-and-run.
I would just like to add that my jaw dropped when I saw that the following had been added to the official verdict underpinning the Jagged85 cleanup: many edits involve the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements...
I would encourage Pjoef not to abandon your good faith attempts to wikify the article, because I think the math article could use your expertise. I do not have similar expertise (as I used to have -- I did great in Calculus II but hit a brick wall shortly thereafter) but I am deeply concerned about the process that would result in such a statement as above. Sadly, my level of non-expertise is all that it takes to guard a stub like an attack dog and place the burden on others to add anything.
I also find it quite telling that all of the persons involved in the "cleanup" are limited to a small group of editors guarding the "cleanup" process for over a year now while simultaneously saying they know more about the inaccuracy of the material and simultaneously saying that none of them know enough to clean up the article themselves. something is amiss there. Yclept:Berr (talk) 05:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Pjoef, If you don'thave time, but support the idea of an RFC/U or more neutral process affecting all the Jagged pages, I'd be happy to participate in that process, since my concern is not the people, but the process which led to the "Islamic world scholarship" pages' wholesale deletion, and treating similar pages similarly across-wiki. Yclept:Berr (talk) 06:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you both for taking the time to write to me. Unfortunately, I am not an expert on RFU and AFC processes, and I don't think I've ever participated in similar discussions and processes, and my free time is very limited. I read something about Jagged85 "cleanup" process (but without taking a deeper look into) and I think that he has provided and is providing its full cooperation. I also think that an editor who made more than 60,000 edits on Wikipedia is to praise, thank and reward, rather than "investigate". But, as I said before, I have not read everything very carefully. In any case, we all know that many (or most) of the articles, featured here on the English Wikipedia, get a large number of edits and revisions during their history. My opinion is that the inaccuracies, if any, are "cleaned up" with the passage of time and edits. Consequently, a work of "cleaning", if needed, should be done in daylight and with the greatest transparency and without ever losing sight of our most important task, which is to provide readers with the best and most valuable tools (the articles) possible. I think that as a first step, we should ask for the participation and involvement of all Wikipedia Projects concerned with all of those articles. Once again, thank you, Aquib and Yclept Berr. Cheers and happy editing. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
(butting in. If you'd rather I didn't join this conversation please remove this) Jagged85 "cleanup" process ... he has provided and is providing its full cooperation. This is wrong. Jagged agreed to That the editor will agree to undertake a systematic programme of correcting the errors that they have inserted into Wikipedia articlesWikipedia:Requests for comment/Jagged 85#Response to concerns but (as far as I'm aware) that didn't actually happen. Re 60k edits: valuing editors by edit count is discouraged. But if you believe Jagged deserves "praise, thank and reward" for his 50k, I hope you will extend the same to me for my 50k. Re having another RFC, or an RFC/U, along the lines of Aam's deal with inappropriate behavior in the original incident involving Pjoef, Ruud Koot and WMC (William M Connelley [sic]) - as far as I can see, the inappropriate behaviour has all been on Aam's side William M. Connolley (talk) 10:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Pjoef and Yclept, you are my heroes. I totally understand your positions. I count you among my friends. I hope we all meet, again and often, in the days and years to come! -Aquib (talk) 12:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
All: Thanks! Aquib, not to say an RFC/U isn't needed, but if we bring in the various WikiProjects associated with the pages then the best way to do that is to try a depersonalized approach first, to deal with the issue. Revisit the Jagged 85 issue through an article-centric RfC (is that called an AfC? see, I know little about the admin rulebook) addressing all the issues that have come up post-"Jagged 85 cleanup", and invite the various WikiProjects to participate. This would especially help dig up persons with additional subject matter expertise to comment on the underlying issue. If that fails to get off the ground or persons insist that the old Jagged 85 thread is the only proper forum for the issue, then you can still pursue further action. Not to say I wouldn't support an RFC/U if Pjoef does, simply to clear the air. But, pjoef and I are unfamiliar with the ins and outs of an RfC, which makes one about an article instead of a person easier to start. Also, no one has actually started a (depersonalized) RfC about the issue as a whole:
Is this a dispute about verifiability, or is it a disputed topic, i.e. a debate about historical revisionism and undue weight inherent in the subject matter?
If the former, the template {{Verification failed}} / {{Not specifically in source}} [failed verification] obviates (renders unnecessary) the need to stub the entire series of articles, which also makes it difficult for editors to figure out what material was at the source of the dispute.
If the latter, one possible solution would be to put all disputed claims (if the dispute is essentially an academic dispute over revisionism and presentism and sources can be found for both sides) in a separate section in each page labeled "Claims for additional discoveries by Islamic scholars" wherein a caveat can be clearly stated with the opposing sources. Sincerely, (no need to ping me on this reply) Yclept:Berr (talk) 12:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Aquib... but that "heroes" thingY reminds me of The Stranglers' song "No More Heroes"... great band and song!!!
I agree with Yclept Berr 110% and I am unfamiliar with RFC either. As I wrote on my reply to William M. Connolley, I feel responsible in the incident and I'm so sorry for all the readers who were deprived of that article. In my humble opinion, a depersonalized approach, which will involve some WPs, should be the best solution to fix all problems. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
A Copy of My RFC Request
Pjoef, thanks. Aquib has requested an ArbCom hearing appealing the old Jagged RfC and concerning the users involved in the edit disputes. As for finding a way forward, to follow up on my proposal, I formally requested a new RfC on the page for Wikipedia_talk:RFC/Jagged_85 to deal with the Islamic scholarship articles specifically, including the math article.
Here are my (expanded) bullet points for the new RfC: (note that unlike ArbCom and RfC/User, this is not a request for action "against" something, so it should be easy to get others to help since I've never started one before)
Is this a dispute about verifiability, or is it a disputed topic, i.e. a debate about historical revisionism and undue weight inherent in the subject matter? For instance, the official verdict underpinning the Jagged85 cleanup begins: many edits involve the undue promotion of Islamic and other non-European scholarship and achievements...
[I noted] that an RfC devoted to cleanup of all edits by a specific user is not the proper forum for fixing the overall issues surrounding the Islamic scholarship articles specifically, as a topical matter; because i. Jagged edits aren't necessarily restricted to those articles that have been stubbed; ii. the accuracy of specific "Jagged edits" is contested by various editors -- Jagged doesn't own those diffs, and neither do the people contesting them, it only matters if useful and factual info can be restored; and iii. to deal with overzealous edits in the wake of the Jagged cleanup (e.g. the user who deleted Islamic metaphysics outright ["per" the Jagged RfC; also, Ruud contesting your good-faith article cleanup]) so a new RfC is needed to deal with those articles specifically.
Similarly, user User:Pjoef who tried to clean up one of the articles writes, "[the article which was deleted] is mostly well-sourced, comprehensible and reasonably clear, and follows the NPOV policy, with only minor exceptions. It's the subject (History of mathematics) that is controversial. About the Jagged85 "cleanup", I don't know... What I know is that a good article has been stubbed and now readers can not enjoy, usufruct and make use of the content of the page" ~~(User:Pjoef)
If the former, the template {{Verification failed}} / {{Not specifically in source}} [failed verification] obviates (renders unnecessary) the need to stub the entire series of articles, which also makes it difficult for editors to figure out what material was at the source of the dispute.
The cleanup in [the old RfC devoted to Jagged 85 edits] can continue using those tags, or we can retire [that] RfC since it is based on a user dispute. (Depending on how the new RfC is resolved -- this RfC could still be needed to deal with tagging and verifying the Jagged edits, whereas the new RfC is about restoring deleted content and making sure a whole section of Wikipedia isn't stubbed because of it.) Another reason a new successor RfC dealing specifically with the Islamic scholarship pages and canvassing the affected WikiProjects (Middle Ages, Islam, History of Science, etc.) would move things along.
If the latter, one possible solution would be to put all disputed claims (if the dispute is essentially an academic dispute over revisionism and presentism and sources can be found for both sides) in a separate section in each page labeled "Claims for additional discoveries by Islamic scholars" wherein a caveat can be clearly stated with the opposing sources.
Additionally, the new RfC would have the scope to consider page action to standardize the naming of all these pages so they can actually be found. On either the Science or Math in medieval Islam talk pages, I made a proposal which I would wish to incorporate into the new RfC (severally from the rest), namely to rename the key pages at issue, most or all of which are affected by the Jagged RfC, Medieval Islamic X:
... etc. (with "Islamic X" as a redirect with a hatnote for people seeking contemporary Islamic scholarship, which is usu. not differentiated from the larger, non-religious field of study)
This has the added benefit of being one of the few naming conventions which all sides could agree on (Ruud, one of the "curators" of the Jag-affected pages, suggested it, the person who came in opposed the page on general principle because they thought it was a "religious science" page liked it, and the persons concerned about the recent stubbing) could tentatively support when the issue was repeatedly brought up on one of the talk pages. It also meets WP:MOS for conciseness and clarity. Only reason it hasn't been tried was because the old, old discussion drifted off into the "Arab vs. Islamic as an adjective" issue, which since got resolved in favor of "Islamic".
Pjoef, it's funny you should mention punk / alt rock, which I see you are a fan -- I happen to be involved in setting up a community center in my home town (DC area) which is (or used to be) a notable center of the American punk scene. So a lot of punk bands play there at the venue. In fact, I've been working on a wiki page for the venue which is a nonprofit, but I have to be careful to check my sources, since wikipedia has rules about starting a page on a subject you're involved in, and one of the local editors probably will pick up on the fact, so I'll have to sun it by him, which I'm dreading.
Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup has been appealed to ArbCom
You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
In your account ...After other twelve edits, Ruud stubbed the article and... you appear to have neglected to mention that you removed the cleanup template, declaring IT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP![7]. Do you believe this to be a matter of no great importance, not worth troubling arbcomm with? William M. Connolley (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
You declared the article clean, in all caps. Yet you fail to mention this provocative act in your evidence to arbcomm. That looks to me like you're deliberately trying to hide it. In your arbcomm evidence you're pretending that you were just peacefully editing, and you have no idea why Ruud acted as he did. But in fact you know full well why he did, yet you're deliberately not mentioning it. That isn't good faith William M. Connolley (talk) 10:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I confirm, IT WAS CLEAN, but I was also working on it for the Jagged 85's "affair" when I was declared "unable" (plus other judgements) by such "authority" (see on my talk page or read your posts), and I decided it was better to let it go. What have I got to hide? It is better for Ruud if I do not mention it in the most accurate way, but it's all in the pages history. Check our conversation out. His "action" (the stubbing of the page) was an abuse of authority, but this is not the issue that interests me. I have nothing to hide. And, if you believe that there was something hidden... well, it was to protect him (Ruud). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
You're hiding from arbcomm (or rather, discretely failing to mention) the fact that you falsely asserted the article was clean. Pretending that you're doing this for Ruud is untrue: you're doing this for your own embarassment William M. Connolley (talk) 12:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Just ignore him Pjoef. Intimidation of people who disagree with him is just one of his tactics. The incident happened because you were provoked. Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage you to put this behind you, and please know you are held in very high regard for your courage and candor. -Aquib (talk) 16:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear William. The first (not the second but the first) message (a very kind one; sorry if I'm laughing among the lines) Ruud wrote to me about Mathematics in medieval Islam was this:
Don't ever move books from a carefully selected Further reading section (ROFLAMO) into the References section. (ROFLAMO) I'd prefer it if you just stop editing that article altogether. (and Wikipedia? Why not?) This article has some serious content issues (POV) and your trivial cosmetic changes (ROFLMAO) are only making matters worse than better. (POV) —Ruud 14:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I replied to Ruud at 14:38, but Ruud deliberately stubbed the article seven minutes before at 14:31 and without a discussion. This was not an incident, Aquib, but an abuse and a vandalism. (Sorry if I forgot to say this to ArbCom.)
Anyway, the sequence of my edits is as follows:
This was my 45th (and last) edit of "Mathematics in medieval Islam" (1st: 2011-02-14 11:19 – 45th and last: 2011-02-15 14:23) ... I spent hours there! And (probably), this was the first time I saw the "You have new messages" banner, but I didn't read Ruud's message immediately (As everyone, I was and I am still busy doing other things outside Wikipedia.)
{{Vandal|Ruud Koot}} Probably this is not the right place, but I have very little time. Please, check out the [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam&action=history revision history of Mathematics in medieval Islam] and see what he did. A B-class article is now a stub. I was working hard on it in the last two days and I had not finished working on it yet, when he "stubbed" the page. I placed {{tl|Under construction}} and {{tl|In use}} many times on top of [[Mathematics in medieval Islam|that page]], about 12 hours of my "precious" time has been thrown to the wind and now we ALL and Wikipedia got a STUB. I think it is a "beeping" religious war. Please help, I'm really upset! –pjoef (...) 15:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
This appears to be a significant content dispute. Reporting a good faith editor as a "vandal" is unlikely to be helpful; please continue your disscussion with the other editor. If you feel you have reached an impasse, there are several forms of dispute resolution available to you. Kuru (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
At that point, I immediately apologized to Ruud for my report, I continued to offer my help, it was refused and I gave up. What's better than forgive and forget? If I may give you a word of advice William, may I suggest you that you do not pass judgements so easily. There's a lot we don't know about ourselves... and to judge others is always a very difficult thing to do. I'm still uncertain... some old and certain things of my past are now uncertain. Please, no vested contributors, no edit warring, but happy editing. Wikipedia is a community. Isn't? Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi there! I thought you might be interested in WikiProject Wikify's April Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive. We'll be trying to reduce the backlog to 18,000 articles and we need your help! Hard-working participants in the drive will receive awards for their contributions! If you have a spare moment, please join and wikify an article or tell your friends. Thanks!
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hi Pjoef,
A new assessment round is posted. This round is mostly starts and stubs, so evaluation should be really quick. WP:USPP Assessment 2.1
The Public Policy Initiative is super exciting this term. The topics are really interesting this term and the student's are producing some really good quality content. Recent numbers indicate that our project is actually contributing a significant amount of content to Wikipedia. There is a group of about 20 subject matter experts who are assessing, but the Wikipedians are so consistent, that I really need your scores to measure article quality.
On another note, are you going to Wikimania? I am looking for people to co-present with, so let me know if you are interested! Best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
WP:FILM March 2011 Newsletter
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I posted: KEEP. "fringe" is not the correct way to describe start-up companies. If they'd been around for years and achieved nothing, then maybe. As far as "offering something new and revolutionary", most would argue that these words applied tightly to a British innovation in the form of a motorcycle helmet with an endothermic reactor that cooled your brain on impact, let alone it's ability to call emergency services and transmit riders' GPS coordinates. The helmet is not "at prototype stage" just because it takes 12-16 weeks to make a bespoke, hand made carbon fibre and Kevlar helmet from the results of a fitting kit dispatched to buyers days after purchase (I brought one and thus know). The industry standard for bespoke CF helmets is 16 weeks from order to delivery, as set by 43.6% market leader Arai. The British patent is Granted it is not possible for "anyone [to] do" that. The Daily Mail don't "reprint" articles and thus that article is genuine. Notoriety is prolific as the are literally thousands of articles on this innovation in the motorcycling and general press. Biker Biker removed links to 90% of them and then claimed there aren't any(?) Odd. In this month's (April 2011) Fast Bikes magazine, ThermaHelm's Halo helmet was ranked the best in a hands-on test of all the top helmets. Just because articles like these don't get distributed on the net by the publisher in order to keep printed readership up, does not mean articles on this products are not marking its notoriety daily. Despite this, a web search shows 57,000 results Spendthrift Biker Biker then claims this university-based, life-saving innovation company has hoodwinked the public by not yet launching a less expensive version and has thus, in his opinion, has "faded to nothing" - despite totally selling out in 3 days of an 11 day show at the Carole Nash International Motorcycle Show in November last year, according to a Cisionwire news release. Hailypaige (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
...in response to Biker Biker's sporadic comments and wondered if you'd mind putting your two cents in?
hi Pjoef,
Another assessment round is posted. This round is the follow-up to the previous assessment, so it should reflect some big improvements to the articles. WP:USPP Post Assessment 2.1
There is a group of about 25 subject matter experts who are assessing, and last week I sent them a tutorial video on how to leave comments on talk pages. So if you see any newcomers on the discussion pages, please help me welcome them.
You are doing a really amazing job, in fact, here at WMF, we are using your ratings as the “gold standard” to test the Article Feedback Tool and see how well it works. I will be presenting lots of research in the coming months. Thank You! Best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you so very much, the pie was very yummy and well enjoyed!!! It was my pleasure and I hope I was of some (and I am always more than happy to) help. All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry this Newsletter is late, It should have gone out a month ago. I've been very busy in real life and didn't have time to get over to the newsletter. In this edition of the Newsletter, we have an editorial written by our new executive coordinator; Guoguo12. Guoguo12 has succeeded Mono due to an indefinite wikibreak. We also have the results of the February and March Mini drives.
Happy Wikifying,
Sumsum2010, the assistant coordinator of WikiProject Wikify
Thanks for helping with assessment! There is a new assessment posted here. There are 25 articles in both this assessment and the next/final assessment. There was a huge amount of content that got added this term, hopefully the randomly selected articles will show it to be high quality. You should see some results form the assessments in the coming months. BTW, I used one of your quotes and added it to my email signature. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 19:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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The May 2011 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
We finally made it, this is the last assessment request for the Public Policy Initiative! I was really impressed with the content the students developed this term, I hope you enjoyed it too. The last set of articles are at Student Post 2.2. I will keep you updated on results and publications. Thanks ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 05:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank You! Pjoef, your assessments made a big contribution toward quality evaluation. I will keep you posted on the research and results that come out in the coming months. All the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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I wanted to let you know that FactCompany.com reported the Public Policy Initiative research. They noticed all of our hard work on article quality assessment! And, I presented some preliminary results of the Public Policy Initiative today at the Wikipedia in Higher Education Summit; it was very well received by academics. They were impressed with the rigor of the research and that is due in large part to your efforts. So yet again, Thank YOU! I will keep you posted as I continue to get the results out there. Also, if you would like a token of appreciation (aka Wikipedia swag) send me an email (aroth@wikimedia.org) and I will get a package out to you later this month. all the best, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 02:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes, I know that page. Did I forget to add one? There is a nomination that has been used before, but I was waiting for comments from all other contributors. Thanks for the reminder. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{talkback|Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Specials|→ Sit tibi terra levis ("May the earth rest lightly on you")|ts=05:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)}}
I have relisted one nomination you have been involved with. Input is welcomed Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I have created a draft for the page Garageland (song), currently a draft at User:Benzband/Garageland. It doesn't have a great deal of stuff, but i thought it might do, just so people who like the song/are interested in it can visit an independent page and maybe expand it.
Could you please visit my "draft" and tell me if it's ok to put instead of your redirect?
Right, thanks. I have done what you suggested (looks good to me!). By the way i really don't mind if ever you take a look and fix things up : please do! Benzband (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Joe! (is it joe?) I've come seeking help. I moved the Appearances (other) and Covered by sections to the talk page for further editing. I don't quite understand them. Are they just a list of appearances/covers by bands other than The Clash? if so, can i merge the two lists? or are they something more?
I'll notify you when i move it, but first i thought i'd get the DYK right. How about: Did you know…
...that NME critic Charles Shaar Murray once said of The Clash that they ought to be "returned to the garage with the engine running", prompting them to write the song Garageland?
There are 179 characters but i'm not sure this is an as a good nomination as my wholly biased instinct made it first seem… if you happen to think of anything please say so because it can surely work. - Benzband (talk) 18:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed "Garagelanders". I am just awaiting admin response for the move (i have requested it as i cannot move to a page already with contents. - Benzband (talk) 18:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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Hello! My name is Belugaboy, and by now, you and I both have heard of the Motto Shop, and if not, there's a Motto Shop! It's an exclusive place where users can get their own motto to live by on the wiki. It's great, but we're really running slow, in fact, we haven't seen a customer in months. So we thought YOU, the contributors to Motto of the Day, could spread the word to your WikiFriends, heck, order yourself one, whether you have or haven't before. Thank you and warm regards to all of you!
You have propossed the Merge of Gina Del Rosario and her sister, I haven't seeen something like this in wikipedia, the article from the twins Del Rosario, seriously. Are you going to add some reasons for the merge in the apropiate discussion? Oscar12:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
There is always a first time to everything. Anyway, Gina and Ginette, well, I thought they were the same person. Thanks for the notice, I removed the {{Merge}} templates from those pages, and added a line about that to both lead sections. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Even though today's motto was not a special nom, I still think it is very relevant. There is no point in changing a motto halfway through the day anyway. Simply south......"time, department skies" for 5 years14:19, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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Your Motto Shop Request
Hello there. We at the Motto Shop have completed your motto, but please remember you need to select a template for your motto to be delivered in, and afterwards we'd appreciate it if you'd rate the motto. However, specifying whether you'd like an original or quoted motto is not mandatory. Thanks for requesting, and happy editing! Belugaboycup of tea?22:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I am a new wiki-editor and have just made this page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Moogfest I am still working on it, and I was wondering if you had any suggestions for me. Here's my talkback too.
Hi, I have nominated the above category for deletion as per precedent. I would normally have proposed "split" - please see my reasoning and add any comments you may wish. Cheers --Richhoncho (talk) 08:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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I just thought I would ask you if you realise you've nominated two mottos for the same day in the specials section? Simply south......"time, department skies" for 5 years
On 4 December 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Garageland (song), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a critic's calling The Clash a "garage band" that ought to be "returned to the garage ... with the motor still running" prompted the band to write the song "Garageland"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Garageland (song).You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Thank you Pjoef for the kind message. I surely would be pleased to continue working on it. I also created a stub on the Simple English Wiki, as i've been working a bit on punk-rock over there. Thanks again, and happy holidays too (coming soon, eh? ;) benzband (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
A barnstar for all your tireless work on Wikipedia, without sacrificing quality or kindness! (Especially when it comes to working with other 'pedians :-) Thankyou Pjoef! benzband (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
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Wikipedia policy allows us to link to legal streamed copies of albums. It would be useful to draw up a guideline on how and when to link to such albums; however, there is concern that it may not be appropriate as the music would not be available in all parts of the world. Is the benefit of having access to the music for most users outweighed by the fact that some users will follow a link to find the music is not playable in their region? Your view would be helpful at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. SilkTork✔Tea time02:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello,Pjoef/Archive.I recently have uploaded a file to Wikimedia Commons.It shows celebrate my 11th birthday.I'm searching for some New Year motto's compatible with Wikipedia.This reminds me of my birthday; I was also born on 1st January.Get a look at it here:
your neighbours, and let every new year
find you a better man.This will do it, won't it?By the way,this motto is not coming in the contents.If you can,try to post it.If you've done it,I'll look over at MOTD to see if it's coming.NightOf Darkness06:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Actually could you tell me what autumn, Snoopy, an orange cat and a waterfall have to do with Wikipedia, other than the fact it has articles on each? Simply south......"time, department skies" for 5 years21:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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Just wanted to send Season's Greetings (slightly belated). We have many interests in common including music... and a friendship with benzband. Also metaphysics and logic. Come over to the talk page some day and say hi. Djathinkimacowboy02:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
In the talk page of the article Novus ordo seclorum you created a new section: Seclorum or Saeclorum? I think you may be right. I'm no Latin expert, but Google Translate doesn't have anything for Seclorum, but it does have a translation for Saeclorum. Try to get some references apart from Google because I don't think Blueboar really cares about it... Vought109 (talk) 03:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
MotD 2012-01-04
I think that this was a bit premature. I put the other nomination under as a subsection because it was for the same day; you should have let discussion occur with the second one before deciding what should happen for that day. The fact that you even considered having that be the motto for Wikipedia's birthday when we actually have an alternative now is astounding. I really think that you should undo the closing of that. Reply here, if you don't mind. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)05:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you. As for the obscuration, this occurred to me just as i was typing (well, pasting) the motto… especially as i had just gone and supported a full blackout for that very same Jan 18 (yes, lol). However in the event that the blackout should be only partial or even non-existent, the motto would be visible.
I thought i could contact some frequent MotD contributors about the nom but only a couple came to mind… i shall see what i can do.
PS. yes, i like the userbox :-) but i didn't notice it until you mentioned it (honest). i have copied/tweaked it into my page too - i think x10 is very effective ! benzband (talk) 20:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Thankyou for linking to all these songs i shall listen to them tomorrow during the blackout. Oh, and of course, HaPpY BlAcK OuT DaY to you too benzband (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I believe we were possible going to have the motto be on the 19th instead; in the nomination I suggested that we have it for both the 19th and the 18th, so that it is there on the relevant day, and people still see it. What do you think? ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)23:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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Since 100 is over 90 by 10 (In scholastic terms, this would probably be an A++++++++++!) I hereby award you the Gold Wikification Barnstar! Well done! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 03:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Why is this called ".CB.99.CB.99.CB.99s.C4.B1.C9.A5.CA.87_ll.C9.90_.C9.B9.C7.9D.CA.87.C9.9F.C9.90"? Simply south......having large explosions for 5 years19:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your reply. I was pointing out the edit because i didn't know what to do —i didn't know if "traditional" was even supposed to be there in the first place. Also see Special:Contributions/71.246.149.26 : all his edits have been changing/removing genres in The Clash articles, leaving only "punk rock" (which may or may not always be accurate). Please take a look and tell me what you think. Cheers, benzband (talk) 15:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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Award Most Excellent Wikification Award 2011 (All)
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The Most Excellent Wikification Award is hereby granted to pjoef, for their service in participating in all of WikiProject Wikify's drives in 2011. Thank you for your noble service! KerowynLeave a note19:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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The Most Excellent Wikification Award is hereby granted to pjoef, for their achievement in appearing on the WikiProject Wikify drives' leaderboard the most times (6) in 2011. Thank you for your noble service! KerowynLeave a note19:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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Hey, there. I've been doing a little bit of wikifying of some articles and was wondering if you would have a look at List of products by Dapol and let me know if there's any more wikifying I could do to this article. I have no knowledge of the topic, so can't really add any content or even judge the existing content. Also, I have no interest in the topic, so I don't have much motivation to research a lot to add any more. I've done some extensive research already to find the accurate links I've added.
Congratulations! (and of course thankyou ;-) for successfully clearing category:Unassessed Punk music articles, and even going beyond and generally improving said articles xD
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Hi, I take the point, and have left a bit more in. But there are major problems with autobiographies, and hard pruning is needed here. Springnuts (talk) 08:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi pjoef, thank you for the work that you've been doing with disambiguations in classics related articles (and the 1,000-or-so others over the past 5 days)! I wonder if you might leave a few wlinks alone in cases where you aren't positive that you're pointing people the right way. For example, in the case of "oratory", it will rarely warrant a link to "eloquence" in articles about Greco-Roman antiquity. In other places a link to a dab page probably needs to stand, the sentence needs to be researched and rewritten or the wlink simply needs to go (like several instances of "canonical", which is simply an English word that should never have been linked in many cases). I'm sure that neither I nor any of the other people who watch these classics pages would be peeved if you simply mass-tagged the doubtful links "dab needed". I do, whenever I run into these tags, try my best to solve the problem, and I know that other people who edit in classics do, too. Still, I appreciate your efforts with these reams of dab links you're fixing. Yours, — cardiff | chestnut — 19:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
And I'll keep an eye out, too. I know you're just trying to efficiently clean up the lapses and laziness of the rest of us, so if I see one of yours on my watchlist I'll be sure to give it the attention it deserves. (It'll keep me honest so far as writing wlinks and make me think, anyway.) And happy diambiguating, to you! — cardiff | chestnut — 20:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
You're changing every notion of ninjutsu into "Modern Schools of Ninjutsu", but what "modern school" for Ayame (Tenchu), a 17th century character? What "Modern School" (Random Capitalization Galore) is for Mai Shiranui and her FICTIONAL Shiranui-ryu? They're all FICTIONAL characters, using some sort of ninjutsu and that's all. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh wow, some idiot blanked this article and turned into dis page. Sorry for "stupid", it's someone else who's being stupid here. OK, I'm going to fix it now, but please revert all your edits (a lot of them).
Hey! For a 2nd place appearance (okay, AA was hard to beat :) on the February Ddrive leaderboard, i hereby award you the Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar!
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Hey there Pjoef, and first I wanna thank you for consistently helping out in the Wikification drives. Now, real quickly, I apologize for not having clearer instructions but the wordcount leaderboard award thing is for actual words in the article prior to wikification, not characters added or anything else. Again, I'm sorry we weren't clearer, but the article you posted only had a wordcount of 522 prior to your work, short of the other submission. Do you know how to use the wordcount tool? I can go through the articles you've wikified if you'd like them to be checked. NoleloverTalk·Contribs04:49, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
I was quite satisfied with the MOTD, when suddenly, it appeared red linked. I immediately rushed to get one motto approved. Well, fine, that was for that day. Other days..... NO ONE CAME, that's what had happened. I removed MOTD link from my userpage. Hope MOTD stays alive.... Dipankan says..("Edit count do not matter")07:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
MOTD unwritten rules
Hi there user:Pjoef, thanks for the comment: now -- there is an unwritten rule that prohibits linking to the main/article namespace with the exception of Wikipedia. -- I personally find that understandable in the main I guess, but perhaps we can do better to ignore it occasionally. For instance check WP:CON which links to good purpose to (3) articles in the See Also. Maybe should make this as a suggestion at a suitable venue? Thanks again NewbyG ( talk) 21:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi again, I have made a proposal about loosening the "rules" about linking for Mottos, but I may have put it on the wrong talk page (having trouble navigating). If you wish to think about it and comment, you might like to look into it, and if I put in in the wrong place, can you maybe fix it? i would appreciate your views, and we can maybe get a consensus, if there is an adequate discussion Ty NewbyG ( talk) 12:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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No barnstars which was promised in the March Mini?
Hello, Pjoef. This is to notify that I did not receive any barnstar for Wikifying articles in the March Mini Drive. I had wikified 11 articles, and still did not receive any barnstar. Were those all lies? Dipankan says..("Be bold and edit!")06:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Hi there Dipankan. In general, barnstars usually take a couple to get out, just so the coordinators can sort out any possible issues with wordcount, etc. The "promises" were not "lies", but we are volunteers and the awards may take a few days to get out. NoleloverTalk·Contribs07:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Also, the month of March is not over yet and the calculations are not definitive, so all we need is a bit of patience, and don't worry because you'll get your award. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
These (very rare) twin-Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstars are given to pjoef, one for 5th-place appearance on the March Mini 2012 leaderboard, and one for wikifying the largest article in the whole Drive. Good job!
I had not updated my numbers and I made some edits before the end of the drive. Fortunately, the sum total is: 64 (1 less than Wilhelmina Will :D) So, I took the liberty to change the barnatsar form silver to gold, but I'm still in the 5th-place. Thanks for the triple awards! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:20, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I need your assistance in developing and spreading a wikiproject. Can you help me in developing and spreading this page in wikipedia: Wikipedia:Wikipedia for World Heritage
Thanks for adding your name. I just needed help in wikifying the project page. Anyways, I am working on it and lets hope that the project becomes popular. Yasht101:)07:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
But how to create template of them? :P I have been on wikipedia for 3 months and have been active since 1 month. Please help Yasht101:)08:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, but it was not necessary. I'm just here on Wikipedia to help and contribute (in my small way). Once again, thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for pointing me to this project, and i'd be glad to help out. I have taken a look at the project pages and created a category or two, it's own to-do list, and a participants page. I'm not, however, signing the petition on the German Wikipedia 'cuz i cannot communicate my details. Apart from that, i reapeat i'm ready to do whatever i can for the project here on en.wikipedia :D *optimism ahead* "…we're gonna march a long way, we're gonna travel a long time"; "but we're gonna hit the town" all right! benzband (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
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Amazing friend, I was searching in wikipedia that how to create them and I even bookmarked the page. But i wasnt sure that I would do it properly. Thanks for the ads! Yasht101:)11:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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I have met them at close of day
Coming with vivid faces
From counter or desk among grey
Eighteenth-century houses.
I have passed with a nod of the head
Or polite meaningless words,
Or have lingered awhile and said
Polite meaningless words,
And thought before I had done
Of a mocking tale or a gibe
To please a companion
Around the fire at the club,
Being certain that they and I
But lived where motley is worn:
All changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.
That woman's days were spent
In ignorant good will,
Her nights in argument
Until her voice grew shrill.
What voice more sweet than hers
When young and beautiful,
She rode to harriers?
This man had kept a school
And rode our winged horse.
This other his helper and friend
Was coming into his force;
He might have won fame in the end,
So sensitive his nature seemed,
So daring and sweet his thought.
This other man I had dreamed
A drunken, vain-glorious lout.
He had done most bitter wrong
To some who are near my heart,
Yet I number him in the song;
He, too, has resigned his part
In the casual comedy;
He, too, has been changed in his turn,
Transformed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.
Hearts with one purpose alone
Through summer and winter, seem
Enchanted to a stone
To trouble the living stream.
The horse that comes from the road,
The rider, the birds that range
From cloud to tumbling cloud,
Minute by minute change.
A shadow of cloud on the stream
Changes minute by minute;
A horse-hoof slides on the brim;
And a horse plashes within it
Where long-legged moor-hens dive
And hens to moor-cocks call.
Minute by minute they live:
The stone's in the midst of all.
Too long a sacrifice
Can make a stone of the heart.
O when may it suffice?
That is heaven's part, our part
To murmur name upon name,
As a mother names her child
When sleep at last has come
On limbs that had run wild.
What is it but nightfall?
No, no, not night but death.
Was it needless death after all?
For England may keep faith
For all that is done and said.
We know their dream; enough
To know they dreamed and are dead.
And what if excess of love
Bewildered them till they died?
I write it out in a verse --
MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse
Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly: A terrible beauty is born.
I wanted to notify you that I reverted your contribution to this page. You disambiguated Julio Fernandez to Julio García Fernandez. The latter article goes to a deceased horse rider and there isn't any evidence suggesting that Julio Fernandez's full name is Julio García Fernandez. SwisterTwistertalk04:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
There are more than 80K unassessed articles about US. I had a idea to start a contest regarding Assessment.
I thought that United States has a good number of articles now and needs clean up.
This will be beneficial for articles as well as editors as they will be able to interact with editors in their country and will learn new things and can obtain a lot of knowledge about their country.
Please add your name here if you want to take part in this contest: [11] and [12]
If you are interested then please let me know. And if you want to take part in its coordination then please tell as I'll need help in coordinating it, because currently I m the only coordinator.
Don't you think you are closing the mottoes too early? It seems to be an unwritten rule that they have to have at least three supports, you know that. Simply south......going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 10:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
@Simply South there just aren't enough people reviewing mottos these days. If a nomination receives only supports, and can't really hope to get any more reviews (seeing the current state of things), isn't it logical to just accept it? Also, maybe you are referring to the "crisis" period when MotD ran out of nominations ~ if so then i think it was justified by the simple fact that we can't have our templates going red. benzband (talk) 11:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
What's the difference between my latest approved nominations and Everything goes there approved on 9 April 2012? Fortunately, we've managed to put aside something for a rainy day..., but the maximum number of reviewers is actually 3 (including the nominator), and I don't want to send more "invitations to participate" anymore. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filmizing until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.. Schmidt,MICHAEL Q.05:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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The MOTD in review page has not been touched in about five days, and there are some entries that are older than 14 days that need to be decided. Could you please look over the MOTD current nominations and decide on entries, as well as review other entries? Thank you, Bulldog73talkda contribsgo rando02:45, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I would say as we are rather low at the moment then yes after two support on top of the nomination and no objections once the 14 days are up they can be approved. I see no reason at the moment to increase the time of the mottoes as we have mottoes still spanning into next month.
I have been here for a while and want to improve myself. Though I try my best to do the right thing, I may do something wrong. As you have seen me work, can you please leave me a review as I want to know where I stand so far and what should I improve to be a good editor. Your opinion has always been valuable and your review can help. Thanks :) Yasht10108:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Re: Amelie soundtrack
Thanks for the correction, it was really only meant to be a change to the sloppy grammar of the paragraph, but I obviously managed to change the meaning as well. Oops. Bobtalk13:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
There's no deadline set yet, and I'm not sure there has to be one -- unlike the PPI, the EP has no obligation to produce a statistical report by a certain date. Of course it would be good to have the data sooner rather than later. There's a meeting of the Education Working Group in July, and it would be good to have the numbers well before then, as I'm sure they'll be discussed there. Thanks for helping out again! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
{{Talkback|Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/In review|→ Show me the money!|ts=by [[User:Benzband|<span style="color: green">benzband</span>]] ([[User talk:Benzband#Top|<span style="color: black">talk</span>]]) 19:20, 15 May 2012 (UTC)}}
P.S.: I'm like real bad at passing judgement on articles, i have trouble with even the talkpage banners apart from when it's an obvious stub. Never really got to grips with it :P benzband (talk) 20:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
oi THere! indEeD we appear to be in a very bAd town :(this puts me full'o angst): tho 'tiz fun to heaR Kennedy Alive aGain (back from hEaven or from hell? ;-)
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"The project oversees three task forces focusing on individual bands. Have you been involved in any of these? How much collaboration goes on between the task forces and the parent project?"
Still need reviews for the Wikipedia Education Program research project
Hi, Pjoef! Thank you so much for reviewing some articles for the Wikipedia Education Program research project! The results of this project are vital for planning the coming semester in the program, and we'd like to review as many classes as possible in the next week.
I have gone through each class to prioritize for various projects, and everyone on the Education team at the Wikimedia Foundation would be extremely grateful if you could participate further by reviewing a few more articles ('pre' and 'post' versions). If we can rally a lot of editors to review one or two articles each day, we will be able to make the most use of this research for our tight timeline. We are really eager to find out which classes have been successful according to the Wikipedian standard.
I didn't know about that website… lol… it's helping me understand a bit better though and the testing area is great! (i've never tried anything with css before) benzband (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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reviewing his material i can only assume that he/or She is just a lonley person with
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I made a mistake. It was for the 21st of February. I'd like to make sense of normal nominations maybe by scheduling them for the date of birth or death of the author, whenever it is possible. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I did it for Winston Churchil, Tom Waits, Joe Strummer.... We have enough mottos approved and this could be an added value for MOTD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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Sorry for the late reply. I would just use edit 2 for genius motto as that now seems to have the most consensus.
As for the anniversary, sure. Clogs with strawberry jam and sandals between slices of bread and margerine are great delicacies. Simply south......wearing fish for just 6 years12:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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I've tried to merge the two, see what you think. It's just that the "new" version was poorly formatted, unsourced, and read like a POV push in favor of Rhodes. benzband (talk) 14:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Pjoef, Thanks for the greetings. I'm recruiting for extra comments on a content dispute at Richard Manitoba. Apparently there was some flare up over use of the name Manitoba some years back, and the aggrieved party has been repeatedly and persistently inserting snarky copy into the Handsome Dick article. Since he has also done press interviews, he has refs. If you could assist on consensus, much appreciated. Wwwhatsup (talk) 13:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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have been awarded the seldom coveted THUMBS UP AWARD for your exemplar editing at Louis Satterfield. I started a tinsey weenie stub about him just because he was a red link on a list of bass players and I typically remove those, but did not want to remove him from the list, so turned him into the cheapest blue link imaginable. And then you arrived shortly thereafter ("Why?" I wondered, but the answer didn't really matter) and turned the article into a fitting tribute to the man and his music. Right next to Satterfield, you rock the most. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:17, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Well your work was/is awesome and the chart in particular (I've tried a few, I know how tough they can be) is a monster, a thing of beauty. Carptrash (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks, pjoef, I'm new and i don't know how to do the things right. thanks for the help. keep in touch with me at my talk page to know the recent changes Miss Bono(zootalk)17:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Why does the list of members of the WP U2 has only 6 members and then it starts again by the 1st. There are missing two or three users at the "No" List Miss Bono(zootalk)18:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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I guess we are both working on this ... but This edit removed 2 sections for the project page, Not sure if you think there best back on the left or not.Moxy (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi! That certainly was a nice surprise! I'm not actually a U2 fan though, so i don't see much point in joining the project :) benzband (talk) 12:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
i think we nee to improve the WP U2's interface, and try to complete all the challenges on the To Do List. We need to tell the other wikipedians on the list of memebers that they are free to help with those stuffs.
These are some works we have to do.
I think we should encourage the users that already have sign up to the member's list of WP U2 to adopt an article each one and work on it. but I don't know how to do it. Reply ASAP Miss Bono(zootalk)19:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Newsletter (April 2013)
I don't mean to be annoying to you! If so, please, let me know. I am not here to bother anyone.
I wanted to know how can I work in favor of creating the Newsletter of May . please reply :) and GOOD MORNING!!! Miss Bono(zootalk)11:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
i couldn't access to that address, remember i have internet problems. It's a shame they couldn't add WP: U2.
Thanks for the congrats!!! Miss Bono(zootalk)19:24, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
it's great that you are ok. i was trying to talk with another users from the list of members, but i couldn't get any attention. Y2kcrazyjoker4 doesn't seem to be willing to help me in anything and doesn't seems to want to reply.
I changed the picture from the Bono's article infobox a few days ago and I add some picture of him singing that, FOR ME, more accurately portrays who he is, but he User:Y2kcrazyjoker4 changed it back saying: "there is hardly anything wrong with the current image, there are more pressing matters for the article.". I reply on his talk page asking for advise 'cause i wanted to know those "more pressing matters for the article" and he still doesn't pay attention 2 me. It's a mess everything. I feel like if i am annoying to anyone related to WP U2. What's wrong with me??? :( Miss Bono(zootalk)17:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Please, give your opinion at Bono's Talk Page two latest discussions.
Also I have know of someone who is interested in join the project and do something good. Take a look anytime. Miss Bono(zootalk)18:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I had a vandalism problem at my talk page... See a discussion I had with User:TheOriginaSoni, and there is almost at the end of the discussion a comment by a IP adress. I think I am gonna quit Wikipedia :'( Miss Bono(zootalk)12:32, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
It was a personal attack and the IP is still doing it. He post some userbox about lesbianism at my talk :(. I can't go on with all this Miss Bono(zootalk)12:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey, pjoef, good morning! I've seensome changes in the members list of the WP, I they are good ones. So... why does the roll call doesn't match with the list? Miss Bono(zootalk)12:20, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
There is no need for a subpage. I've a section dedicated to WP:U2 in my userspace, but I will not be alerted if you leave a message there and this is a problem for me. You may simply use a new or THIS SECTION (with third-level sections/sub headings ===Title=== or ;Title; the first will be included within the table of contents of the page, while the second will be excluded). I'll reply here, bu you'll need to watchlist this page, of course. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:11, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok. I will do so. I am already watiching this page. I would like to change the name of the page. Can you help me to fix those repeat versions of U2 by U2, and everything else you suggested Miss Bono(zootalk)14:26, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Smtchahal would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Smtchahal to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pjoef. If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
Just a heads up for next time, the pedigree of the nominator is often just as important. A good nominator will assist you with preparing your RFA questions because they actually know what the community is looking for. They will typically guide you for a couple of months before actually submitting your name. I'm terribly afraid that your RFA is going to crash and burn - that's NOT a reflection of your work on Wikipedia, it's a reflection on your ability to explain why you need the tools, how you showed the community that you're ready for them, and sometimes the reputation of both you and the nominator. Don't be discouraged - your work is appreciated here, and an RFA will never say that (✉→BWilkins←✎) 21:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
You can decide what you want to do with the RfA without causing me any embarrassment
If you wish to withdraw your RfA nomination and are not doing so merely because you think I might get embarrassed if you do, please don't stop yourself. I really do appreciate your kindness (and I always have; I've not yet forgotten the barnstar you gave me about a year ago which I don't feel I deserved at that time), but I wouldn't have felt embarrassed at all if you would not have accepted the nomination for any reasons. It gets embarrassing (if it does) only when the candidate accepts and then fails.
Though you are (unfortunately) unlikely to succeed this time, I'm sure that if you gain a few months' experience of working in administrator-related fields (as a few voters suggested), you are at least more likely to succeed in your second nomination (which might even by made by an administrator, if you work hard enough). The only real reason I could conclude from the discussion (but that's just my opinion, and I'm apparently not experienced in RfA discussions) why one should oppose you was the fact that you did not have experience in administrator-related activities. I apologise for having made a premature nomination and for giving the impression that your refusal to accept the nomination will cause me some sort of humiliation, which ultimately resulted in all of this. Also, I want to clarify that although I (still) do believe you will make a good admin, I'm not saying you should re-apply some time later or that you should try working in admin-related fields at all. I request you to take all decisions about your user rights on your own without being influenced by anything I do or say (that I am a lot less experienced than you is just one reason for this). With kind regards, smtchahal(talk)14:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed this edit to the RFA. If your intent was to withdraw, you can leave a note at WT:RFA or just add a note at the top below where you accepted the nomination. Your nominator offers good advice, above - if this is something you want to pursue, it's a simple thing to ease yourself into AFD and AIV, perhaps commenting occasionally at ANI or the like. Of course, given how the RFA went, I would not be surprised at all if you told us to go to hell - but I remain convinced that you'd be a good admin. So, either way, good luck. UltraExactZZSaid~ Did12:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
April 2013 wikification awards!
The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar
For scoring 4th place on the leaderboard of the April 2013 wikification backlog drive, pjoef, you are hereby awarded the Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar. Congratulations! :)
The Gold Wikification Barnstar
For wikifying 95 articles, you are also awarded the Gold Wikification Barnstar. Keep up the good work! :)
The U2 WikiProject NewsletterWikiProject U2 Issue VIII - 1st May 2013
If you would like to contribute on the revamping of the WikiProject, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. You may also contact our project coordinator Miss Bono. If you would like to help out with future newsletters, please contact the Outreach Department.
Quote of the month
“
You can cover the world with your thumb Still so big, so bright, so beautiful.
”
— U2, "Stateless"
U2 News
Apr 28, 2013 – Promoter of U2’s Red Rocks concert Barry Fey dead at 73.[1]
Apr 25, 2013 - Bono revealed the working title of the new album is "10 Reasons to Exist" The band have been recording in Dublin, New York and the South of France over the last few months. [2]
No Line on the Horizon was released on 27 February 2009.
It marked the longest gap between studio albums of U2's career.
The band originally intended to release the songs as two EPs, but later combined the material into a single record.
The supporting U2 360° Tour, spanning 2009 to 2011, was the highest-grossing concert tour in history, with ticket sales over $736 million.
The singles for this album were "Get on Your Boots", "Magnificent", "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go :Crazy Tonight"
The Album's Cover
Hiroshi Sugimoto (Berlin, 2008)
The cover art for No Line on the Horizon is a photograph of Lake Constance, taken by Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto; titled Boden Sea, it is one of 200 pictures in his Seascapes collection.
Hello Pjoef! I'd like to thank you for the emulable manner in which you stood as a candidate for RfA. You demonstrated a remarkable strength of character under adverse conditions. I can not imagine a better answer to have given your critics. I understand the emotional drain, having stood as an RfA candidate four times; unsuccessfully. I wish you the very best and look forward to seeing your future contributions. With esteem, My76Strat (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
This comment is one of the best comments I have ever received here on Wikipedia, indeed. Thank you so very much, My76Strat, I appreciate it bery much! I'll buy you a beer (or non-alcoholic)! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
A beer sounds great!
But I insist that you allow me to buy the beer; for it is a treat that you deserves, and a darn good idea! My76Strat (talk) 04:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
rfa 2013-05-09
hey, i read your rfa, and i wanted to say i'm sorry so many people were such dicks. i think it's really quite comical how seriously people take these things. imagine, a single "rouge admin" going nuts and trying to break things on the site. there are so many other mindless automata that any damage would be reversed in minutes. so anyways, tempest, teapot, etc. i do hope you will continue contributing. adminship ain't for everyone (myself included). xoxo ... aa:talk23:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
No worries! It went well for me and I "enjoyed" the experience. :D I'm happy with the way it went, indeed. From my point of view I saved time and energy on studying and then applying all the policies, guidelines, procedures…. lol Thanks for your message Alex! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono 30 April 2013–7 August 2013
WP:U2 Cleanup listing and newsletter
It's great to hear from you. I have already said thanks. Hw are you. I am working in a newsletter for May. I'll give you the link when it is done. :)Miss Bono(zootalk)14:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there a draft a sandbox or something abot this newsletter? Which are the exactly parts you want to add to the newletter and where you want them placed? Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, good luck on that. The yeah, there is a sandbox here. I want some fresh information for the this sections: U2 News and Did You Know?. I hope you can solve your problem.
PS: If I get too annoying you just have to yell at me, ok?
Within the header, the phrase "On the first If you would like to contribute..." it would be better to add a link that points to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U2 → …join the discussion … or contact us OR contact Miss Bono [and NOT pjoef :)];
U2 News seems to be okay. Isn't?
There is a page Portal:U2/Did you know that perfecly fits your U2-DYK needs :). Take a look at it. (Note: This page is transcluded within Portal:U2 (its content/code —or parts of it– is included in another page —for example infoboxes, userboxes, templates, etc.), so you will have to pay attention if you are going to edit this page.)
Where do you want the cleanup listing to go? Could you please provide me the link to the right place/page. Maybe, one of your sandboxes? Thanks. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Really? Great!!! I'm going to take a look at both of them. I fear I must be the harbringer of bad news because we cannot use album covers for the newsletter but only in its own article, rarely in discographies, and in very special cases such as the article about The Clash album London Calling where it is shown the artwork for Elvis Presley's debut album for comparison. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes :) Please, DO NOT ASK for its deletion :) The copyright license template placed on File:NoLineU2Promo.jpg says that "[it] is of a cover of an audio recording, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the work or the artist(s) which produced the recording or cover artwork in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of such covers solely to illustrate the audio recording in question, on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement." See Wikipedia:Non-free content for more information. So, we eventually have to remove the file (declaration) from the source code of the newsletter. I'm going to see the barnstar.... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I was referring to the physical deletion of the file :) Don't mind :). How did you do it? It's good and ways better than the previous version. The only comment I would make is that it is not clear the link with U2. Do you need help with it? There is a guideline at Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines on how to create a Barnstar 2.0 compatible and also a large gallery at Wikipedia:Barnstars#Barnstars, plus my help anytime for just £€$0.0000000 per decade or millenium. :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
=D you are a nice friend... I have just smiled. I will read the manual, but please, feel free to edit the barnstar. I thought the astronaut, the heart bag and the joshua tree were enough links to U2 without mention the Vertigo dartboard Miss Bono(zootalk)13:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm more into their 1980s period from Boy (1980) to Rattle and Hum (1988) ;) What others think of the barnstar? The instructions on how to make a new barnstar Ver. 2.0 are very simple and remastering older or non-compliant versions is also possible, so there is nothing to worry about. I made some minor changes to the newsletter (sandbox 6 ver.). It seems okay. , I do not like the difference in vertical space of the two columns. The right column has too much empty/unused space at its bottom. What do you think if we move down one row the Picture of the month thing, occupying the full row above Article Statistics and Notes? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I think is great to move down one row the Picture of the month section. What links to U2 have the Boy album, October, War, or Rattle and Hum as well as their covers??? I don't know yet what the others think of the barnstar. I have to ask all of the membersMiss Bono(zootalk)14:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I already ask them. I am always messing things up. i am sorry :'(... I can't wait to see the changes in the May newsletter. When ccan we publish it?????Miss Bono(zootalk)14:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
No worries :))))) Unfortunately I could not move the picture below without having poor results. So, I decided to move the DYK? section at the very bottom of the right column, and everything seems fine. Isn't? I do not know when. It must be first copied to Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newslettermay13. Also, I have to see how to send it out. Does it need to be substituted or trascluded? And, who will send it to all WP:U2 members? You, me, or a bot? Usually it is the latter, but I'll have the answers to these question very soon. bye4now –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm really busy with work (and had a cup of tea … but not in that teahouse, it's too expensive!!! :))) There are two main formats for a newsletter: the first type is an announce/a simple text message containing the |link to the newsletter. Each member will see (and probanly read) the newsletter only after he/she makes a click on this link. This is the less aggressive. The other will post all the contents of WikiProject U2/Outreach/newslettermay13 within the member talk page, which means that each member will have the entire newsletter and its source code all on its talk page. I have not yet had time to find the bot. Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I provided a link in that message. Look at the main page of the U2 WP and find the Tasks section. I think it needs to be updated in general and with selected new tasks taken from User:Melicans' semi work plan. But before we need to define a common strategy and also solve all problems related to the various reviews, but I have yet to investigate... :)))) I will be very busy for the next hours. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, especially if it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!
Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:wikitea}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
wOw, you are fantastic Miss Bono, I will check it very soon. Is it really free? What a tearoom then! I will spread the word... :) Thank you so much! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I think I'm gonna post the newsletter manually only for this month. To see how it works. I am on it! Follow my steps so you can see if i mess things up. Miss Bono(zootalk)20:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
But I dont have an email account to send it to Cullen328. is there any way to give the image to someone who can upload it t o wikipedia????? It has the same black and red circles, but instead of the images, it has 12 stars (as a reference to Zooropa Cover), and the name WP U2 (with a similar format to the title in cover of War album)Miss Bono(zootalk)17:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I tried, it seems to be uploaded but when I look for it it says it doesn't exist. Here is the name i gave it:Wpu2barnstar.png Miss Bono(zootalk)18:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I was joking, the presence of WP:U2 is the reason why I prefer the new version and, in this case, "not too bad" means "very good". :) Thanks for all your efforts Miss Bono. Have a great weekend. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 23:33, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
No, no :D our roll call served its pupose, to update the list of members and their "active status". We do not need a new roll call for the next two years ore more.... :) okay, the image is ready. Where do I upload it, as a new version of File:Wpu2barnstar.png? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I just saw it. It is amazing. Thanks. I have modified my user and talk page with some images I created. take a look and tell me what do you think :D Miss Bono(zootalk)20:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I once visited one.org and I took out a subscription there but i had to close it soon after cuz I was leaving my old school. So I hadn't time to get used to the page. I was thinking about taking out another subscription but I wan to know what is that helpful for anyway?? For that I need someone who is get used to ONE Campaign. I'd already read its article in wikipedia ;)Miss Bono(zootalk)13:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
By joining ONE you receive updates and "take action", which usually are requests for signing online petitions or writing letters to politicians on poverty and related subjects. Usually 1-2 per month. File:U2 by u2 book.png is okay! (Try [[File:U2 by u2 book.png|180px]] and you'll see that it's okay!) At the moment, the 200px version shows the second version/second upload of the file. It will be updated automatically by a bot within the next 24/36 hours. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
There are some 3 million ONE members :). The last action was a reminder to world leaders about Mali, asking them to support Malians with long-term solutions. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
And if I was in that situation what I am supposed to do?? To write a letter or something?? I once received a letter form a woman, I think... Does Bono is a member or just a co-founder. Do you guys go to events or something? Miss Bono(zootalk)14:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
No, not physically. You receive a link via an email. When you visit the link/URL the system recognizes your email address or an identifier and does all the "dirty" work for you. It can happen that you have to write a letter that will be forwarded electronically by the system itself or via mail by you. I do not participate to events, meetings, and parties they surely organize, and I do not know which other roles Bono plays with ONE. Vocals? :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I do not know why but I feel like I do not deserve this award. anyway thanks a lot. I've noticed that there are a couple of minor errors within File:Wpu2barnstar.png but before I tell you which are these errors I would like to know if this will be the new version for all aour members. There is already a discussion going on about it, so please do not ask other members what they think of the image again. Also, I will close the April 2013 Roll call very soon.→DONE! (14:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)) Once again, thank you! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
The reason I was asking again to discuss the new barnstar was to have the other members' opinion whether it would remain or not. Miss Bono(zootalk)14:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, :D some red pixels appear on both borders/edges of the upper vertice. There is a not correct alignment of the relief that start from the center and goes to the upper vertice. Also, the little stars placed around the central ring are not positioned in the same way (I noticed some small differences in their positions). For now, please, do nothing and do not send new versions to Wikipedia. :) Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
SURE! ;) Can I have the multi-layer version (if it exists), or the original files? It will be ready in minutes! But, working on File:Wpu2barnstar.png directly (I got it) requires a lot of time, something too precious at the moment, and I cannot tell you if it will be ready for tomorrow or in a month or two. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
.I didn't reply yestarday cuz I took my exams to get into college. I can fix all of the errors if you point them out. And suggest how it has to be made. I left a message for you in the User page of Antonu.....Cheers! Miss Bono(zootalk)11:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
As for the stars, They are far better with the new color you found ;) And the black star, It's great the one you found, I didn't know there was a black one, I change the saturation and hue of the original barnstar to make it black. You are a genius. THANKS!! :DMiss Bono(zootalk)12:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Ref: Abelson, Max (7 April 2008). [http://observer.com/2008/04/beautiful-deal-bono-finally-sells-el-dorado-coop-for-49-m/ Beautiful Deal: Bono Finally Sells El Dorado Co-Op for $4.9 M.]. New York: ''The New York Observer''.
Beautiful Deal: Bono Finally Sells El Dorado Co-Op for $4.9 M. By Max Abelson 4/07/08 5:09pm [for The New York Observer]
New York suffered a brutal blow to its ego last week when Madonna said she was totally over Manhattan. “It’s not the exciting place it used to be,” the singer said. “It still has great energy; I still put my finger in the socket. But it doesn’t feel alive.”
So when The Observer found a real estate record filed just this morning that said Bono and his wife Ali Hewson had sold their Central Park West apartment, it seemed crushing. Could Madonna and Bono both be abandoning New York in the same short span? No.
According to the $4.9 million deed, the co-op is Bono’s old 2,322-square-foot apartment at the El Dorado at 90th Street and Central Park West.
He first bought the place for $3.4 million, but left it five years ago for Steve Jobs’ old apartment at the San Remo down the block. (Mr. Jobs sold the place for around $14.5 million, less than the reported $15 million he spent on renovations that involved both Robert A.M. Stern and I.M. Pei.)
Even though Bono bought that co-op in April 2003, he put the El Dorado apartment on the market in March 2006 for $5.95 million, a brokerage database shows, though the price was reduced to $5.5 million in June. Instead of the 12-foot, 800-pound doors in his new co-op, this littler place has two petite bedrooms, a nicer-sized master suite, and a 320-square-foot terrace and living room facing Central Park. All that now goes, the deed says, to a couple from Westchester.
But life for Bono at the San Remo hasn’t been entirely perfect: He squabbled with neighbors, including lesser arena rock star Billy Squier, over hazardous smoke wafting up into his penthouse duplex.
Please, read WP:NSONGS first. Also, there is stll a list of songs recorded by U2. I will check them out and get back to you on whether they are notable. Also, we need to see if there is enough material. We could collect the material about these songs on a sandbox and then move contents to newly created article and/or to the article of the related album, on a case-by-case basis. In case we are certain that a song is notable and there is enough material for a non-permanent stub, which means an an effective article, then we can add the song to the project to-do list as a red link. Also read The "Croughton-London" rule when you have time. A question. Do you have access to google or yahoo? If your answer is yes, then you have access to the cached pages they store on their web servers. This does not apply to all web pages and all websites, but it could be useful to you –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I have access to google only when I go to a school near to my house, not at work. I go there once in a while to download some cached oage for me to read about Bono and his mates ;). But I can't go there too often.
I am a little complicated now, I am taking exams to get into college (Havana University) and I am writing my 3rd novel, this time is a fanfic, and I am having a fight with my two main characters :O, I am stuck on it. Miss Bono(zootalk)19:20, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I have seen in other occasions that u2.com isn't chached. That is a great source for information about the songs. I will read what you post above ;)Miss Bono(zootalk)19:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok, see you later. i can't remember a quote I heard the other day, it was almost like see u later alligator but with gary Sinise Miss Bono(zootalk)20:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I work wherever they pay me (more and better) :). Do you have Opera (web browser) >= 10 installed? It has a service, "Opera Turbo", that can (or promises to) speed up web browsing on a slow connection through a proxy server and server-side data compression. If you have Opera installed and access to its Turbo service, you could be able to visit the rest of the web. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, but I'm afraid I don't have Opera installed I use Firefox. I'll try that at the school I go to see if that works for me. Miss Bono(zootalk)12:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
It was just an idea. I've copied the list of the missing songs to your page, but had not the time to work on it. I'm now updating WP U2's tasks and to-do list. I'll post a report for you as soon as I have finished. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I've been watching your work on that. It is really GREAT!! I add some picture to the departments, I didn't know how to add some shadow effect to it or another effects but, I'll learn (If I don't get M.I.A.) lol Miss Bono(zootalk)12:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
For the Wikipedia pictures tutorial see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. If you want to add shadows and other style effect you need to use CSS and CSS3 (level 3). There is a great site for learning and testing CSS/CSS3 at www.w3schools.com→css→css3, but you probably do not have access to these resources. Include your image(s( within a <DIV> element and add a box-shadow to this element: <div style="box-shadow: h-shadow v-shadow blur spread color inset|none=outset;">[[File:...]]</div> The first two values are REQUIRED and accept negative values. All other values are optional. For example <div style="width: 200px; height: 50px; background: yellow; margin-top: 30px; box-shadow: -20px -20px 10px 10px black">HELLO WORLD</div> produces:
This user Tombowell097 edit the infobox of Bono's article and add to the Genre field R&B. Just because he had sang 2 or 3 R&B song doesn't mean he sing that genre. What should I do?? Miss Bono(zootalk)13:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I remember there is something like an essay about this, but I cannot find it atm. I usually do not care about this. Reverting the edit will push forward to an edit war. In this (so very special) case, alternative rock is a genre of rock music, so it is not necessary (IMO), I do not know what "post-punk" is. Is it a post-apocalyptic era? IMHO, Bono is a Pop/Rock singer. Anyway, I'll remove I've removed R&B from his article :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!!! for a second I though you'd open your address book (like if you were friend with all writers) and you'd call Dan Brown to sign it I'm joking. Thank you! :) Miss Bono(zootalk)19:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello, dear (said Miss Bono with a Scottish accent)
Awrite hen! ←→ ¡Hola querida [amiga]! ←→ Hello dear [friend]! ;) I am very busy at the moment and with very-very little time for anything (including Wikipedia). Thanks for asking! Hope you had a good weekend. I'll have a look at this list? … but it seems to be okay. What's the problem with it? Mis mejores deseos. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Wao! Utilizaste el traductor de Google o sabes hablar Español? :) Which language did you use in the first translation?? I just pointed it out for future uses, and sorry I meant this. Nos vemos cuando tengas más tiempo!! :) Cheers!! Miss Bono(zootalk)18:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Also I think it would be useful to point this and this out to all the members to see if they are able to assist. What do you think??? If some idea of how we can do that, please let me know asap. salU2←→Greetings with a pun on U2. Miss Bono(zootalk)18:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Puedo hablar un poco de español. Machine-translation can help, but I haven't used it. "Awrite hen" is Scottie for "hello dear", of course. :) Unfortunately collaborations do not have a "great success" here and usually have little chance to progress. Anyway, why not to try, Miss Bono? Saludos! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
This is a good question for which I do not have a definitive answer. lol If it's true that the night brings counsel, then let me think about it. :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
I will definitely wait for your answer. I'll think about it too. I also think that we have to know the "Why" of its bad success and then try to change it in our own favour.Miss Bono(zootalk)19:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The first thing that comes to my mind is that two collabs departments are, in fact, too many to run. I think that one is enough and may work better in the long term. Both have never produced any results. whereby, a merger of the two would be desirable. Their "bad success", or rather their failure depends on many factors. Despite the fact that Wikipedia is a community I have noticed in recent times that participation in WikiProjects is diminished. I'm participating in several WPs and it's always the same thing. For example the last drive of the WikiProject Wikify involved only a few number of editors when compared to previous editions. It's the same at WP:MOTD where there are at most four to six contributors, while in the past there were at least a dozen of participants. This is something that I would like to bring to the attention of Wikipedia, but I have not yet found the time to make a more accurate investigation. Time is a tyrant! And, I have very little time now (e.g. for this). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hola señorita Bono, all is fine with me, thanks for asking. I'm working full time on a new project, which means that I don't have a lot of spare time on my hands at the moment. I hope you are doing well. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
¡Hola Miss Bono! I'm fine, thanks for asking. Hope you are well too. The project technically is okay, but the client is currently busy with other issues, so now I am at a standstill. I think it will be a very long 'n' hot summer then :D. HaPpYy SuMmErTiMe in advance!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm more or less always present :D. If you were referring to this … well I'll do it next month. Many thanks for your kind wishes. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't refering to that. But... It is nice to hear that you will work on it. I need a huge help (well not that huge.) I need you to check this out. Can you help? Miss Bono (zootalk)14:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I'll collect news articles and other sources, and post all of them on top of your page. All contents must be rewritten and then removed from your sandbox. Contents form EDUN, DIESEL, and etcetera are WP:PRIMARY, but I know that you do not have full access to the Internet, so I'll also post them for you. Gucci, Dolce & Gabbana, Armani, Louis Vuitton, and LVMH articles should be used as templates (sections, style, contents, and etcetera) for EDUN. HaPpY SUMMERTIME & enjoy the Caribbean Sun (for me)! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Thereoadislong says the headquarters are in Ireland. But you or TheOriginalSoni post it was in Kenya, Morocco, Madagascar, Uganda, Tunisia. Where can you get the exact information?? Miss Bono (zootalk)13:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I think you may have miss-understood the meaning of headquarters? The company is based in Dublin Ireland [17] but products are made in all those other countries. Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, headquarters and factories are in all of those countries you have mentioned, plus Peru and China (as Theroadislong correctly said). Its head/registered office has been recently moved from Dublin to the Netherlands (or it is going to be moved to … for tax related problems :D). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello Pjoef. Thanks for the link the other day. Hope you have had a good weekend. If possible I need you to find for me any info you can get about The Clarence Hotel, I want to start the article. And as for Ali Hewson, I am palnning to take it to FA Class, maybe you can help me finding info about this sections (seems like they have a lack of info compared to the other sections in the article):... Thanks! Ms.Bono(zootalk)☆19:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
A google search for "Clarence Hotel" "Ali Hewson" returns 7,760 results. Are you looking for some particular information? What happens if I find something? Where can I post the most relevant of them? → User:Miss Bono/sandbox8 or User talk:Miss Bono/sandbox8 or wherever? Is this hotel related to EDUN's article? The following is taken from the press page of its website:
Built in 1852, The Clarence had last been refurbished during the late Thirties in the Arts & Crafts style originating from when the hotel was first built.
By the Seventies, while still retaining a sense of Old World charm and dignity, it was past its prime. At the same time, the ranks of the original clientele, once drawn primarily from the clergy, judiciary and visitors from the provinces, were swelled by the artists, musicians, writers and designers who began to make the Temple Bar area their own.
Among the regulars were two members of the rock group U2, Bono & The Edge, whose fond recollections of their youthful haunt led them to assemble a consortium of Irish investors and purchased the hotel in 1992 with a view to restoring it to the former glory of this Dublin city hotel.
To realise their vision, the owners assembled a team of professionals from both Ireland and abroad. The result of their collaboration, guided by the owners' directive that the design respect the country's quintessential Irish heritage and character.
A hotel like The Clarence is inevitably a personal vision, and for the owners, The Clarence is where they would choose to stay when visiting Dublin - a hotel in Temple Bar that is at once simple but elegant, unpretentious but luxurious, that is modern but also embodies the best of traditional Irish hospitality.
Hello Joe. I am bothering you cuz I dont know if I should revert the las change made to Bono's article. Some user added the Irish Christians catergory. What do you think? Miss Bono(zootalk)☆19:24, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, 'P'. I was surfing Wikipedia for new things to do and I found this. I was thinking about creating one of those for our WikiProject, I think it'd be cool. What do you think? Miss Bono [zootalk]☆13:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
WP:SOCIOLOGY has some 4,000 pages so it is simple (and useful) for them to have a page like that, while WP:U2 covers 400 pages (including categories, files, portal and project pages, and templates). Are you able to create that kind of list/table and do you have access to the proper tool[s] at toolserver.org? If your answer is yes and you are not sure about the final result, then start it from a sandbox of yours and see what will happen. If you will get a good result then start the project page immediately. Otherwise, I will (try to) help you with this. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I have spent the last two days around to see how to deal with this thing, a ring-a-ring o' roses …
A pocket full of posies, A-tishoo! A-tishoo! We all fall down.
:) The following list shows some possible solutions (in reverse order):
there is a tool at toolserver (Wikipedia article traffic statistics, which is in alpha version) that can show the views counts (per page). I tried it out, but it does NOT function;
Wikipedia article traffic statistics at stats.grok.se runs well but it reports at least the last 90 days. For example: U2 has been viewed 356101 times in the last 90 days. This article ranked 3637 in traffic on wiki.riteme.site;
It would be easy to me to run a query and extrapolate (extract) data from the database, but I'm not a database administrator or operator on Wikimedia and Wikimedia servers. I could download the whole database (it's a BIG file) or data dumps from Page view statistics for Wikimedia projects.
WikiProject Popular pages lists is my favourite choice. It automatically makes queries to the database for hitcount data (per WikiProject), makes graphs, and some minor operation like a summary count of the views for all pages in the WikiProject, adding page views of a redirect page to its related page or per day/per page average. It is the tool used by some Wikiproject for this scope (including Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sociology/Popular_pages).
What do you mean with "contest"? There are several kind of contests here on the English Wikipedia; for example a drive is a sort of contest. In any case WP:U2 has not a great number of members/participants and it is also summertime (by chance I am just listening to Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong singing that song … music talks to me ~ lol) and I think it would be better to plan something for next October. I'm now [listening to] Walking on the Moon and I've got to leave this planet :D "Keep it up, keep it up…" :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Maybe we can plan something, but I need to know what kind of contest are in Wikipedia, so I can think better. By the way, I am listening to this right now. Lovely, the part of Pav... Do you like that song? I do like Walking on the MoonMiss Bono [zootalk]☆18:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Brian Eno is a favourite of mine and I really like Pavarotti singing Italian arias, but I do not like the theme and lyrics of that song at all. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:27, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I need to know what Wasted Time R said about a controves[y|ial] section within EDUN's article. Controversy (or controversies) is widely used both as page name and sections' titles (or part of). In my opinion it's okay to use this section title for this article. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Checking it out…PAY ATTENTION: he is Paul McGuinness with 2 "n". This means that there are seve[ral|n? errors scattered all around].→FIXED! … 12:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
You have a great collection of U2's albums. Do you have them in CD or LP format? I own one or more copies of their first four albums in LP format, and a couple of them are still new and packaged in cellophane. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Haha, I wish! I only have one in CD (The Box Set of No Line On The Horizon), everything else is in digital format... My dream (that I know I will never get) is to have Achtung Baby in CD.... :'( They don't sell those here and if they did... It would cost like 50 bucks... and I cannot afford it... too expensive.... So I will never reach my dreams :'( Miss Bono [zootalk]☆12:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Does Amazon.com have access to your country? Achtung Baby Audio CD has a price of $11 (10.99 lol ~ $5 in other stores) and $21.85 ($9.48 in other stores) for the 2011 2 CD Deluxe Edition and circa $110–$120 for the vinyl box set :D. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't think Amazon have access to my country. I am 99.9% sure of that... I am destined to wander all my life with my collection of digital albums :'(. P.S. It's pretty cheap in Amazon. I spent my whole life asking (all in Spanish) everywhere I go: Do you have any U2 (English pronunciation) album, they'd say Who?, and then I'd say oo-dos (Spanish pronunciation) and then they'd go again like Who? and then I'd say The Irish Rock band and thennn, I think just for shame they'd say No, we don't have it... All they have is Daddy Yankee, Don Omar... and stuffs like that... Not even Pavarotti :( Miss Bono [zootalk]☆13:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Edits and a new GA
Hi, Pjoef... I am back from holidays! I went to a night club called The Yellow Submarine. Pretty nice and a Beatles enviroment. There was a live band playing... awesome. I sang along House of The Rising Sun... Cool!.
Anyways! We have another GA article, 2, in fact: 360º Tour and Wide Awake in Europe. I tried to add them to the WP U2 but I couldn't... too messy for me. I was hoping you could do it. Also, some IP made an edit on Beautiful Day but, with my poor interface I cannot see what is about. Can you check that out?.... Thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk]12:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Hold on. I think there is a misunderstanding here. I meant, we should add the new GA articles to the alert articles list or somewhere in the WP:U2. Miss Bono [zootalk]18:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
October or November. There is a page Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Log where it is possible to log WP:U2 and realted results, but it is not updated (c.a. 2011). I found some undelivered newsletters. A list is here, just below the WP:U2 and U2 categoires. I would like to move one of them to something like "newsletterdraft" and then use it as first draft for future newsletters. There is also Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newslettereditors where we can add our usernames (the page is unlinked by other pages, which means that it is not used atm.) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Cool! :) I am going to update it. I think it is better to have it for October, since they release album in Sept :)... I will have to wait until 2015 to have the new album :'( Miss Bono [zootalk]13:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Dunno! We do not have enough for two issues (nor for one :)) at the moment. We could replace Rattle and Hum in the From editors section (wich is "good" for a future newsletter) with the new album, and make it a special[a[b]]normal edition :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
No :D write it directly into the draft! (with your signature and time when necessary) Are you referring to the Vaillancourt Fountain? :D Its description is okay. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
"Bullet" is also a verb that means to speed at great velocity or to make a fast shot. The song is an anti-war song that takes its cue from Reagan/US foreign policy and nazi-fascist/military dictatorships in El Salvador and in Central America during the 1980s. Its title (and lines) in my opinion means to fill the sky with bullets/projectiles. Why are you asking me this? Do you want to improve its article? Or is it related to the newsletter, or just curiosity? The Only Band That Matters, who wrote the "rule book" for U2, faced this theme on "the triple" (catalogue number: "FSLN1"; and my all time favourite album) in 1980. Bono was in El Salvador in 1985 (circa) with Amnesty International. The song and its album (TJT) were released in March 1987. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:11, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Yep, I knew what the song is about. And knew what happened in El Salvador. I was thinking about improving the article, use it in a subsequent Newsletter and just for curiosity... I didn't know that bullet was also a verb... Bullet the Blue Sky is the #1 in my list of favourite songs in TJT :) Miss Bono [zootalk]12:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
My favourite song by The Clash is "Should I Saty Or Should I Go"... Is on the list of the 500 greatest songs of all time. pretty cool song! Miss Bono [zootalk]12:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Words for Summary 2013-08-05
P, I am running out opf words to start the next chapters' summaries. You already used these: follows, reconstructs, testifies, deals.... :'( Miss Bono [zootalk]14:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I dont know how I can help, try to "summarize" :D create a scheme that applies to all chapters with period (recording sessions, albums, events, tours, ...), interviews and photos shoots locations and contents (and archives for photos; U2's archive/personal/family archives), popular quotes (used or cited by mass-madia) and/or well known or prize winner photos.... Dunno! :) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
put a trap or build a new house to the mole and its family :D There is no problem. The height of the two central columns depends on their contents and varies according to the size of the random selected picture, article, and bio (the combination of the three; and we will add YKs and quotes very soon). It also depends on how much wide is the browser window. Did you try to push the "Show new selections (purge)" button? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:38, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I have a bunch of DYK for you!! :) Did you know that at the beggining of The Unforgettable Fire (song) Larry it's heard saying shit?? Hahaha! I ahve more. I will type them and you fix the grammatical mistakes and stuffs :) Miss Bono [zootalk]12:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I have a concern. This is what Bono says in the book: Bono: It's like cell divisions, our songs keep shedding their sking and a new song emerges. 'Native Son' was inspired by leonard Peltier, the Native American rights activist, and it was an interesting idea for a song. On its way to becoming 'Vertigo' it stopped off at the mezzanine floor and turned into 'Shark Soup'.
Here's the deal, I understood that the song was first Native Son and then Shark Soup and then Vertigo, but, as English is not my native language I might got it wrong. What do you understand after reading it. If I got it wrong, feel free to change the DYK. Thanks! :) Miss Bono [zootalk]13:45, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Do not use books or other sources. I could search the web for DYKs about U2 and find tons of ready-to-use materials. We need to extrapolate and create our DYKs from all Wikipedia articles related to U2. About your question, see "Vertigo". "Shark Soup" is an unreleased demo (but also a version of "Vertigo") from that period/album. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks Thanks Thanks. Once I create a nice SVG File I will display it to you at first. One question though look at this file - Autograph Book Barnstar. I made the background transparent but how can I make an SVG file out of this like this one in AI? Sohambanerjee199818:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry being late in my answer I am so so so busy trying to learn something else about databases. Now I am trying to make my way with pgAdmin III. Good to know you are good. There have been severla incidents since you were gone. I first decided to quit Wikipedia and then I didn't and... too confusing :) Miss Bono [zootalk]19:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
No worries and take all the time you need to reply. I'm a db admin on a dozen of db servers, so if you need help with databases please contact me! What book[s] are you using to study database and/or PostgreSQL? The full documentation for pgAdmin III 1.16.1 is available online at pgadmin.org/docs/1.16. I suppose you do not have access to this resource due to your firewall and internet connection related problems. Please PM me if I can help. This world is full of too many idiots, just ignore all of them! I've added more articles and biographies to Portal:U2. One of these days I would like to add the {{random portal component}} for quotations and DYKs→( 11:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)). I've also taken a look at WP:U2/Outreach/newsletterdraft and U2 by U2. I'll let you know what I think, especially with regard to the latter. Best!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Ohhh you are so so so nice :) Thanks for offering your help. :D... I will ask you if I ever need something. I am receiving classes on database. Professors at my former tech school weren't good with db so they always passed the classes, so I'd opened the books and study by myself :). Regarding U2:Portal... It's a big thing the random portal component 0_o... I will take a look at what you've add to the portal :) and... as for the newsletter draft: Two users left the project and 2 more joined us... so... I guess it's karma :). Let me know if i can do something there. Best! Miss Bono [zootalk]12:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
It is a very good idea to study db by yourself. My advice is to study SQL language, which applies, with minor differences, to all major RDBMS such as Oracle, MySQL, MS SQL Server, PostgreSQL and DB2/Informix. We are now using the random portal component for Articles, Bios, Pictures, and DYKs sections. I've copied all the quotations related to U2 from WikipediA's articles and WikiQuote. Now, I'm removing all the duplicates and trying to group all of them by period/date, album, and/or author. Even if I copied them from WikiQuote, which is in the public domain, I am not sure if we can use U2's lyrics. Also, the multi-line lyrics will produce a very tall quotes box, and, subsequently, the column to which the quotes box belongs would become too tall either. We have several possibilities: 1. to not use the lyrics at all 2. to use the lyrics but writing them all on one line by replacing new lines with slashes "/", 3. to show only one quote at a time. When I have finished to organize that page, then we will take care of this problem. If you want to know how it runs then check out the DYK section of the U2 Portal. There are (atm) 25 subpages (one for each of the DYK) and 5 random portal components (rpc). The first rpc calls subpages from 1 to 5, the second → 6–10, the third → 11–15; the fourth → 16–20, and the fifth and last → 21–25. We will change these values depending on our future needs (5 groups seems to be good both for DYK and quotes). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
This is a full list of [Special:Search?search=U2&prefix=Wikipedia%3ARecent+additions&fulltext=Search+archives&fulltext=Search DYKs related to U2] Miss Bono [zootalk]14:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
May I ask if you want to participate??? O.o You have done so so so so so so (and many more sos) for the project. I mean, you helped me to put things together and then the roll back and the cleanup and everything you have done. WP:U2 is active because of you :D. Thanks! Miss Bono [zootalk]14:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, you can! :D ...But I will wait for other valuable editors such as Dream out loud, Melicans, and Y2kcrazyjoker4, ... as well as your answers before responding because I was not very active on FA/GA front. Also, you are the real "revamper" of the project, while I'm just a mere technician and worker. When is the deadline to apply, the 2nd of October or before? I've added it to my "Special watches" list. Please add this to the upcoming newsletter (or I will do it later). Thank you very much, L.! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I think I can manage adding it to the draft :). I was thinking about waiting for Melicans, DoL and Y2 answers :P... The interview is for 2 October. Miss Bono [zootalk]16:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
There is no problem! The portal DYK section has been now completed. Right now, it features 56 facts related to U2 (33 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page; all others are from our past newsletters). I've also added more info to the portal peer review. I'm now working on portal quotes. All quotes are now grouped by author/album/date except for those coming from our past newsletters (atm they are at the bottom of the page, but I'm working on them). Some quotes are too big and lyrics from U2's songs have the same problem. I'm not sure on how to proceed, but I would like to complete this section in a couple of days. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I think I'll go with slashes for lyrics, but I am not 100% sure about the use of lyrics as free content. Yes, Wikiquote uses them and it is in the public domain, but this is the English Wikipedia and it is far more important (and visited) than Wikiquote. Also, there are some quotes that are very-very long, I think that I'll reduce them. I'm going to work on a case by case basis. P.S.: I need sources and dates for some quotes in all those cases where there are two or more question marks [?]. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I can find short quotes for you in U2 by U2. It clearly says at the end: NO part of this book may be used or reproduced in any manner whatsoever without written permission except in the case of brief quotations embodied in critical articles and reviews. Also we can choose the shortest lines of the lyircs, I think that there are a bunch very short but touching. Miss Bono [zootalk]13:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
We do not need more quotations…
…but to short the existing ones, and remove duplicates and unnecessary and irrelevant quotations (or parts of them). Can you help me with this? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
You are the expert on this matter, so you can ask yourself this question however. :D I'm kidding lol Well, some of the quotes taken from Wiquote have some parts in boldface, but I removed it. I think it is best to go with the ones (or parts of) we like the most. Just do NOT remove all quotes tagged as Used before or with a small text indicating one of ours newsletters. Those quotes have been published on the portal and/or on our newsletters, so I would like to mantain all of them. If you want I could change the colour of the font to RED for quotes (or pats of) that I do not like, and, if you agree, you'll delete those parts. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, I'm using another strategy: I opened the Wikiquote page for Bono and transformed the normal text into RED, which means that our normal text is in boldface on Wikiquote. Now, I'll do the same for U2 and other members quotes on Wikiquote. The answer to your green question is NOooooooooT :D because I would like to use all of them and the most important thing is to group all of them to avoid that Bono (in particular) appears in all sets of quotes at the same time. Anyway, make them green, blue, boldface, boldface+italic or whatever you like! :D I'l now change the headers to avoid edit conflicts. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Let's talk about formats! We have two cases: citations made by people and songs' lyrics (part of). The first case is simple:
"quotation..." —Author, reason or theme (if exist), source (year or date)
For the lyrics we have decided to use slashes, but what about the right part? Here are two examples:
Oh, ok, I was just thinking about something to avoid that annoying black space. But, it's ok if it isn't a good idea. It must be my super duper awful interface of Wikipedia. Miss Bono [zootalk]14:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Moving the Wikiproject section will increase the "hole" (or move it to the left column). Let us finish the job on the quotes section and see what happen. We will take into account this problem later. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:12, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Can I ask you if you don't like this line: /Well, hey now / Still got to let you know / A house just don't make a home / Don't leave me here alone, for any specific reason or just because it doesn't fit in? Miss Bono [zootalk]14:42, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
I have not arrived at that point yet :D. Red-coloured texts are the normal text parts within Wikiquote. In this specific case, please, see the line below, which was published on our newsletter (Issue III - 12th August 2007). And, I would like to use all quotes previously published on WP:U2's portal and newsletters. It is missing the red part you are referring too, and this is the reason why I've marked the other line (taken from Wikiquote) in red. ☺ –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Oops! It's so confusing... So, yesterday you told me that you were going to mark in red the quotes that you didn't like (I am not sure if it was only for Bono's section) and that I could erase it if I agreed. So I did. Did you see what I did this morning (my time)? YOu can undo it if I mess it up! :'( Miss Bono [zootalk]15:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Did you mark and delete quotes by yourself (or just red parts marked by me)? If your answer is "No", then there is no problem. :D I will compare your edits later :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Read Sometimes I just don't ask you some things because I believe (with my poor knowdlege of English) that I might upset you with so many questions when I don't understand some stuffs. Miss Bono [zootalk]15:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
I can't get mad 'cuz I'm mad as heaven & hell, which —IMHO— is the same place :D … a place called Gaia that we, stupid humans, turned from heaven to hell. It's dinner time again. If you would like to remove other red parts :D … then you are more than welcome! If you can't … then you are equally welcome!!! :D What about removing the publishing companies informations from the quotes? For example: U2 by U2 by U2 with Neil McCormick, HarperCollins… becomes: U2 by U2 by U2 with Neil McCormick… And, what about the page numbers? Are them necessary? Also, there are some "?" that are waiting for us. I have found many of them, but there are some ??? that are still waiting for answers. Also, some songs have multiple quotes for their lyrics. I think that we should use at least 2 or 3 quotes/lyrics for each song (giving priority to those that we have used on WP:U2's related articles, portal, and newsletters). Bye for now. See you next week and have a great weekend!!! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, there are some questions for you (and/or other editors) to answer at Portal:U2/Quotes. Please answer all questions (if you can), or I will not be able to continue this work. IMHO, we must use all quotations tagged as "Used before". All quotes are sorted by subject, year, and author, which means that they are in the exact order in which they will be stored (except for those quotes with an unknown year; they all are at the very bottom of that page). Please, tag in RED (by using <span style="color:red">...</span>) all quotes (or part of) you want to delete. Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I could be wrong but some of the quotes within U2 by U2 are taken from their archives. For example: "I thought “pop” was a term of abuse, it seemed sort of insulting and lightweight. I didn't realise how cool it was.…" is featured on this book, but it was part of an article, "Growing Up With U2", written by Neil McCormick for The Daily Telegraph and Propaganda fanzine on 1 January 1997. Miss Bono, it would be great to know what are the original sources for all quotes taken from U2 by U2 (if you can). Thanks for your help! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
It could be that Neil used some quotes from their early interviews and added them to the book. I will try to find some in the pages I downloaded when I was at school when I had Internet access... You're welcome. Miss Bono [zootalk]18:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, I've added more quotes but now there is another hitch at: "A lot of the songs on our last album were quite abstract...". Please, take a look at it. I've also added subsections to avoid edit conflicts (just make your edits withis a subsection). Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I know, I know you didn't want me to give you another U2 barnstar, but you truly deserve this one. Thank you so much for your work in the portal. Sorry for not being there as much as you'd expected. :D You rock \m/☺\m/Miss Bono [zootalk]14:05, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
It's an honour to receive this prestigious Barnstar. :D Thank you, Miss Bono. I think that {{U2 Barnstar}} must be substituted :D. I did it for you. To substitute {{U2 Barnstar}}, add "subst:" after the opening braces: {{subst:U2 Barnstar|1=Put your message here. ~~~~}} I've updated the "U2 News" at our newsletterdraft and I would like to add some DYKs about Rattle and Hum, taken from Portal:U2/Quotes. Hopefully, we will use Portal's DYKs and Quotes for our future newsletter. All the best and thanks again. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
It's in the template documentation, but I've added a line within the WP:U2 main page (just below the template). Sure. I would like to add quotes related to Rattle and Hum and transform them into DYKs. I think that there is only one quote that is suitable for this scope: "Rattle and Hum was conceived as a scrapbook, a memento of that time spent in America on the Joshua Tree tour. It changed when the movie, which was initially conceived of as a low-budget film, suddenly became a big Hollywood affair. That put a different emphasis on the album, which suffered from the huge promotion and publicity, and people reacted against it." Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:27, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking about creating some images to replace the headers of the sections for images like I did with the main header. What do you think, should we give it a try? Miss Bono [zootalk] 15:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Also thinking about making a smaller preview of the newsletter to place it in the users talk pages (like the Signpost) and add a link in the preview to the page where they will be able to see the whole newsletter. Miss Bono [zootalk]15:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
To my eye it seems to be excessive. Can you imagine "From Editors", "Best quote", "New Members", and "Member News" having big pictures and a very short content? Show me something. Okay for the talk page link to the newsletter. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, at least it's the same as reviewing an article :D (^_______^)! Articles assessments are based on two main things: Quality, which is expressed by the "class" parameter, and Importance. The first refers to the overall quality of an article, and for Start/C/B-class articles can be extended with the 6 parameters above. How can I decide whether it's "yes" or "no"? :) By reading the article... :D of course :D !!! Some articles are tagged by editors... and this could help. For example, if you are logged in, you can find hidden categories within the Catgories box at the very bottom of an article, and if this article is tagged with {{cn}} then it is very likely that the answer to the first question, "b1", is "no" ... and so on. The importance (and its "Low" to "Top" scale) were introduced (if I remember rightly) by Wikipedia Version 0.5, a CD containing the best and most impotant articles taken from the English version of Wikipedia. It is my personal opinion that the "Quality" must be the same for all WikiProjects, but this is a controversial question. Imprtance varies (eg. a song by U2 has different importance values for WP:U2 and WP:Songs). Read the instructions at Template:WikiProject U2/doc#Instructions, and also Wikipedia:Peer review and related links. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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Q2 ["Three years ago…"] is okay! just change "promothed" with "promoted" and eventually "in 9 October with "on 9…", and do not forget to sign it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Oh, I am finishing with this, I am adding images and quotes. As soon as I finish I will start taking care of U2 by U2. I must ask if you are still interested in helping me with that? :D Miss Bono [hello, hello!]19:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Q3 ["I think that Joshua"]: "The Joshua Tree was a decisive step for the band, it set[s???] (I thought that we don't add the 's' in the past tense)U2 in a high position as regards the rest of the bands at that time"??? in regard to their previous albums??? "I guess thats why" → "I guess that's why" "I do think that we WikiProject U2" → "I do think that we at WikiProject U2" –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Q4 is missing at the moment…
Q5 ["Bono has"]: ["several not-members"] → "several non-members, including/such as Theroadislong, Wasted Time R, Anna Frodesiak, TheOriginalSoni, and Fylbecatulous,.... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Q5 ["Editors underestimate"]: "merging one sentence paragraphs""???
(maybe one-sentence paragraphs Usually people write one sentence and start writing another sentence like this:
Rachel Chiesley, usually known as Lady Grange (1679–1745), was the wife of Lord Grange, a Scottish lawyer with Jacobite sympathies. After 25 years of marriage and nine children, the Granges separated acrimoniously.…
I think it is not relevant. Starting Ali Hewson's article with: "Ali Hewson is the wife of Paul Hewson, an Irish singer with some sympathies. …" :D would produce the opposite effect; she will appear "notable" because of her marriage with Bono. My personal opinion in regard is that her marriage is very important (before being an activist and a businesswoman). I'm fine with the opening sentence, as it is, and as it has been written by Wasted Time R. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
It is not a favourite of mine, the live version of "Bullet the Blue Sky", from that same album, is … it covers another kind of journey accross (and outside of) … :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean with it covers another kind of journey accross (and outside of)? I thought that you liked the song because of the big smile in pink, I guess it was sarcastic? :) Miss Bono [hello, hello!]15:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
That isn't a smiley ":)" … but I was laughing ":D" [NOT@U :) but] at the idea that you have been listening to "Heartland" for a week ahahaha :D With "journey" I mean a trip, a voyage, travelling, most in general, in north, central and sud America in particular, and you know the origins of that song.
You better log in :). Oh, I get it now, but what's so funny about listening a song for a week, it's rather ridiculous, I must confess, but I can't help it, I just can't. I keep finding references and coincidences in the song... and asking myself questions. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]18:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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I hope you are doing great. I have a flu. I didn't want to bother you, but I am stuck in the draft of U2 by U2 and wanted to know if you can still help me :) Best! Miss Bono [hello, hello!]12:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Can't remember if I've told you before that I like The Clash, they are very powerful. I will read the importance scale and the other link you pointed out.
So, that's it? Just removing, writing and merging? Wao! That's fast. Thanks! But... what about the Book reviews section, it is hard for me as a non-native speaker of English. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]14:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, this is "phase 1" of the reassessing task. In phase 2, we will change the "importance" fields for the moved and tagged articles…. About the book, I'll see what I can do. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
I have left you some messages at the page you linked. I need help with a WikiLove template I created myself, everytime I post it on anybody's page, it says John Doe, Miss Bono has given you... but when other user post after me, the name on the template is replaced by the name of the user who posted. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]16:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I've added the quotations (taken from Portal:U2). Now we need one more quotation only (for the 1982–1989 period). The most suitable seems to be: "We knew the world was ready to receive the heirs to The Who. All we had to do was to keep doing what we were doing and we would become the biggest band since Led Zeppelin, without a doubt. But something just didn't feel right. We felt we had more dimension than just the next big anything, we had something unique to offer." by Bono (and I think that I'm going to use it.) Miss Bono, is your book of 2009? We will use your book to get the page numbers for all citations. If your book has been published in 2009 then I will provide you all parts that are in needing of their own page number. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, I've used a quotation by Bono about The Unforgettable because I prefer to use quotations that are featured on our portal instead of using new ones. I'm sorry for that, but, you know, there are copyright problems with quotations.... The summary section is ready for the main namespace. I just need the page numbers or positions (front/back cover...) of them. The numbered list (1 to 8) is at the end of the section (the part for the main namespace), under the "Page numbers/positions" header. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
P.S.: I've asked you to nominate U2 by U2 at DYK because I know that many editors count their successful DYK nominations. I just wanted to give you all credits for it. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Why thank you, but all the credit for the article and the DYK goes to you. You have done a great job. I regret I haven't been so involved in the creation process. I even feel ashamed for not helping you that much. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]19:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I've just removed the section on my sandbox, but I read your latest message. You are welcome! And yes, the coffee table and paperback versions have different page numbers because of their differences in size. Bestest! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Newsletter 2.0
Yer welcome lol... Hey, should be add some non-free picts of the inside of the book to the article? Also, I am ready to keep working on the Newsletter, I have a couple ideas on the back of my mind. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]13:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
It is not a good idea to use non-free media and images on this article, even if it is in needing of one or more images (and of a proper WP:LEAD!!!). In my opinion, the book cover is enough at the moment. Search Wikimedia Commons for free pictures that are suitable for this article (if there is one). The newsletter is ready for publishing, and U2's new album will be released in 2014. Please, tell me what's on your mind? → Show me your ideas! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:03, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I will look for sure. I will show you in a tick :D... Let you know when I am done... Have you thought about the idea of making a preview and deliver it at the members' pages with a link to the whole newsletter like The Signpost? Miss Bono [hello, hello!]14:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Forgot to add this to the newsletter. Can't wait to hear the song:
Subscribers of the band's official website were able to hear it first. "'Ordinary Love'". U2.com. Live Nation. 17 October 2013. Retrieved 18 October 2013.
The Signpost way to deliver newsletters is the best way possible. Yes, I know, it's a film about Nelson Mandela, and the song is its main theme. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I will give it 6 out of 10, but the trailer is too short, it's about 1 minute and 20-30 seconds, and there are actors' voices that are clouding the song for the most of it.
Because there are countless (if not infinite) super-ultra-fantastic songs in this world. The DYK is okay (gr8) :D, but what if the newsletter theme is not an album? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Heheh I know. It was a joke. So what do you suggest, creating something more general or me crating a new one as we create future newsletters? With more general I mean something like the subject or main subjectMiss Bono [hello, hello!]15:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, it surely is an article, but "The Article", "Article", "Issue's Theme", or "Theme" do not sound very good. Probably, it would be great to use the title of the featured article (except for albums, of course :D). P.S.: It could be "Featured content" or "Featured carticle"??? "Ordinary Love" (full version) will be released tomorrow 30 October. I've added two more news to the newsletter. Do you want to send it for the first days of November? If yes, then choose 2-3 quotes from Portal:U2/Quotes (a list of quotes that we have used before —on our previous newsletters— is here; do not use them, of course). Write me if you encounter any problem. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
"Featured content" and "Featured carticle" sounds good Whaaat? Tomorrow will be the day!! ohhh I want to hear it wah wah -Miss Bono is crying *sniff* *sniff*-- Gonna check the news out right now. 1 Nov it's perfect. Ohh what are the quotes for? I'll be choosing them right now :) Miss Bono [hello, hello!]19:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you, Ben! I knew what the key was for, but I did not understand that it was a progressive number (I thought it was a sort of identifier of the spammer/sender). I'm collecting and I've added more facts (especially tour dates … but I'm still working on it) for The Biggest Prize in Sport on my sandbox. I hope we can work together on another super-ultra-titanic album → NWNM…@U2be & User:Pjoef/Sandbox/Arts#Neither_Washington_Nor_Moscow … but, please, don't go on the main namespace immediately :D … "It Can Be Done!" :D This album deserves a place in heaven!!! Bestest! P.S.: there is an interesting interview with 999's Nick Cash at this link. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the links! I couldn't find any additional sources to the ones you've already got though, and seeing as I don't know anything about the album I don't know if I'll be able to help much :( benzband (talk) 13:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I was referring to Neither…Nor but it also turned out that the few sources I found for The Biggest... you had also used in your sandbox. It's not surprising though since there is little information online about these albums… yet! ;) benzband (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
They all are gone!!!! :D No, I hide their usernames to test the delivery of messages throught EdwardsBot. The bot had not sent them the message but send a copy to all non-active members /o\. I've created a new list at Wikipedia:WikiProject U2/Outreach/newsletterdelivery for this purpose. So, we have now to change some instructions. Users now need to subscribe to the newsletter, and new members will be not automatically added to this new list. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 13:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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Take the candy and don't throw eggs at my userpage lol
Now it's my turn and I have developed my own customized quote... and I guess I will have to throw the eggs to your userpage hehehe, here it goes:
Trick or Bono?
The latter is not an option, so:
"It has been announced that the world-famous Irish supreme rock group U2 broke-up today, the day of Hallowen, 31 November 2013." – Tell Tales, The Lies
Whaaat? Yes, Bono is an option. You have to flight to Ireland or London or NYC or whatever he is and bring him to me as a gift for Halloween, with an orange ribbon in his neck. :P
That's not true, right? I spent an entire week crying in 2012 when they said on the Internet that U2 possibly was going to brake-up... :'( , even my Computer Programming professor said I could take the exam the following week. I was sad, P, saaaaaad. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]18:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
I think they are ready, what do you say. 1st Novemeber is great. They are going to broadcast a U2 concert tomorrow on television. I am excited. What do you know about the new song's release? Miss Bono [hello, hello!]18:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Ordinary Love, a new song written for the upcoming movie Mandela: Long Walk To Freedom, will be released in a 10-inch vinyl pressing to mark Record Store Day on November 29th. The sleeve artwork features a striking painting of Nelson Mandela by Irish artist and illustrator Oliver Jeffers. Oliver, along with Mac Premo, has also directed a lyric video for Ordinary Love which we'll carry on U2.com during November. The band wrote the new song at the invitation of movie producer Harvey Weinstein and the b-side of the Record Store Day release will feature a second track, Breathe (Mandela Version). from: http://www.u2.com/news/title/ordinary-love-on-vinyl
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Since I am at work, using Ubuntu and don't have those fonts installed, can yu take a screenshot of the examples you added and uploaded so I am able to see them? Miss Bono [hello, hello!]16:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry the late reply I was having some Macaroni salad for tea. Wao, thanks for your thoughts on my MacPhisto drawing. No, I don't have access to those sites. I like both fonts, specially Claredon
wherever you like; well done!!! I've added it to WP:U2's main page and into the nl. Don't forget the DYK for it. What happened to U2 by U2's DYK? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
It is a small article, I don't think they accept a DYK. Can you help me? I know nothing about the U2 by U2 DKY, I think they banned it because it was six days old :P Miss Bono [hello, hello!]20:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking about giving an award to editors per nl, for their contributions or something like that
As for the sections:
Featured content – I would like to open the nl with this section/article. It will cover several aspects of the so called issue's theme (an article related to U2 in the main namespace): the lead, its rev. history and rating and statistics... interviews to or thoughts and words (things) by editors involved with this article. It can also include the "best of" → quote, picture, and DYKs *:(Agree)
From the editors – this is a good section, but we do not have enough participants to make this section runs, right now.
(We have to do something, we'll never going to have enough members)
Best of – same as for the above "From the editors", not enough members atm.
Best quote – this can be included within the issue theme or a "Best of" article (see above). (Agree)
News and notes – I like the idea of closing the nl with this (including the references section, now "Notes"), as the last section before the nl footer, but I also like "WikiProject report" as the very last article/section.... (where this news and notes will come from? very poor section atm)
(I have no idea, give me some time so I can think about it')
U2 news – within the above section "News and notes" or on the right side of other articles.
Project news – same as the above or within "WikiProject report". (News and Notes)
In the media – Will we be featured on the media? :D Yes... but... in "very very bad crime news" (^_______^)
(Sorry, it is frustrating when I don't get jokes. Do you mean us memebers of the WikiProject, in the media (tv and so)?)
Recent research – Which one? The next research will be conducted in Apr 1/Feb 30 2114 :D It's unlikely to be done.
(I don't understand quite well this)
Irregular articles – sometimes or rarely lol
(Can you please give me an example of an irregular article?)
All articles that do no belong to other sections. For example an opinion piece.
WikiProject report – Tasks, to-do list, articles allerts and tools, statistics, logs, reports, new members and their interviews (why-tf did you join and what do you wanna do for WP:U2?) and etcetera.
That's the page! Thanks. I am reading the ones you pointed out, so fa I think that the Outreac page is wonderful. We still have to decided when are we going to be publishing the nls (maybe quarterly?)... Miss Bono [hello, hello!]18:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
23 December 2013! :D I think that it will published irregularly (when ready, with at least 2 or 3 full articles including the WikiProject report!!!) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I have my Christmas vacations planned from 20 Dec until early January, so I guess I will let the publishing to you. I hope there is not problem at all with that. My aunt is coming from US to visit us. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]18:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
It's the nativity. See the new born in the arms of his Polynesian mother. That's the painting my page automatically show for XMas. You know, it is just an example and there are many other famous paintings about the nativity. Are there more songs by U2 about XMas, other than the 1984 and 1994 Band Aid? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 00:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
I am searching in my external HDD for pages I have downloaded to look for links to interesting youtube videos of U2, my aunt will download them and will copy them in a flash memory to bring them to me. So far I ahve only found 4 links. I am trying to find a link to a performance of theirs at some MTV where they sang Please. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]19:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, also ask your aunt to try this link/search, which produces about 7k results (with HD videos above 20 minutes long) and to remove the HD filter from the previous URL to get about 46k results/videos >=20'. Bestest!
No. I mean http://www.youtube.com/results?filters=hd%2C+long&search_query=u2 where the filters are "hd,long" (hd=high definition; long=20+ minutes) and the search_query is "u2".–pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I saw them. Thanks so much!- Haven't read the articles though :'(. I didn't know about Blow Your House Down. Is there any link to download it. Maybe I can ask my aunt to buy it. Oh, looking for the price of Zoo TV Live form Sydney. I don't know what to ask for to my aunt. Zoo TV form Sydney or The super duper deluxe edition of my favourite album. What do you think? Miss Bono [hello, hello!]14:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Surely there is a link :D An HQ video (and audio) for "Blow Your House Down" on U2be is: U2 - Blow Your House Down . I don't know Achtung Baby very well and its deluxe edition even less, but if it is your favourite album...! Well, it's a long stroy to tell... I was writing a novel about the end of the world and the plot was completed, when one of my favourite film directors (especially for his poetical Der Himmel über Berlin (The Heaven/Sky Over Berlin, also known as Wings of Desire) released Until the End of the World in 1991. I then stopped to write the book, but also to watch Wim Wenders and —in part— to listen to U2) P.S.: Der Himmel über Berlin was written by Wim Wenders together with Avant-Garde novelist and playwright Peter Handke. And here is a short passage from the intro of the film:
“When the child was a child, it didn’t know that it was a child, everything was soulful, and all souls were one.” — Peter Handke, "Song of Childhood", Der Himmel über Berlin (1987).
Thanks for the link. I haven't seen "The Heaven Over Berlin" yet, but I have read the article and I enjoy/love very much "Stay (Faraway, So Close!)" and its video. I like that line. Miss Bono [hello, hello!]15:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the RefDesk, but also on Ultra Violet's talkpage plus another. I'm always in a hurry, which means that I'm as busy as an ant or bee worker. :D I was searching for you by checking out your contributions history. That's all. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The scheme must be the same. Can you image an article that is a featured article for a project and a stub for another? In reality, the highest grade/rating attainable by an article in a WikiProject is B-class. Higher ratings have their own procedured, you know, GA and FA, but the background thing does not change. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Do you want my (very-very ultra humble) opinion about the JFK episode :D? (John F. Kennedy?? What episode? Which TV show? )
Yes, the airpot in New York City, and no, it is not a TV episode so far ... lol ... but a non-fictional book about a rock band :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Many super great authors (poets and writers) wrote about places that they didn't know. Think to the Odyssey and the Iliad both attributed to Homer, the Bible by various authors lol, the Aeneid by Publius Vergilius Maro, the Divine Comedy by Dante, many of Shakespeare's plays (comedies and tragedies, but also other works) are set in different places from Britain (The Merchant of Venice, Pericles, Prince of Tyre, The Two Gentlemen of Verona, Romeo and Juliet, Coriolanus, Titus Andronicus, Timon of Athens, Julius Caesar, Hamlet, Troilus and Cressida, Othello, Antony and Cleopatra, Othello, just to name a few :D). Yes, Jules Verne and his Voyages Extraordinaires series, but also Italian writers Emilio Salgari, who described Malaysia in his two series the Sandokan and The Tigers of Malaysia and the The Black Corsair without moving from Turin (Italy), and Edmondo De Amicis, also from Turin, in his tale From the Apennines to the Andes. This is what comes to my mind now, but I'm sure that there are many other good examples. And, this also means that you can write about every existing and non-existing places, as you like it. So the question is: how they wrote about places that they didn't know (except for fictional places, of course)? I think that they went to ask other people (most pobably sailors/seamen) abuot those places, and read everything there was about them. So you can start from Wikipedia (the best starting point ever created), and the internet, books, mass-media, films, and etcetera to acquire the necessary knowledge about the facts and places you're telling. Another chance is to move your story into the future, so maybe in a hundred years you will appear as a Sibyl, a seer/clairvoyant, a soothsayer, or a prophet, but plz not as a doomsayer. :D In summary: 1. read and collect info about it; 2. move your story into the future; but there was a third point that I can't recollect. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I am working on a special image for my userpage for xmas (as I did for Halloween), this time it will feature a Bono with a Santa Hat :P. BTW I love that song... I almost cry everytime I hear the that this tears part-.Miss Bono [hello, hello!]16:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, I've missed your halloween card /o\. And, I forgot to say that "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" is a cover of a song written by Jeff Barry, Ellie Greenwich, and the great Phil Spector of the "Wall of Sound", and it was originally sung by Darlene Love in the 1960s. :D For the WP:U2 newsletter I prefer something more "classical" like Italian or Dutch painters from the Middle Age to Neoclassicism, but also greeting cards from (circa) the 1800s onwards. Do you have access to wikicommons? If yes, then here is a good strating point. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
With the newletter new layout, design, and graphics they seem to be unnecessary. I want to try to move the subsections images on the right column and see the result. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hey Pjoef, I just havent had the time or the conection speed to write, just havings a few minutes now. I just wanted to wish you a happy U2014 :P and say thank you for everything you are doing with the U2 Portal and all. Gotta go 4 now. Again, thanku very much! Miss Bono [hello, hello!]00:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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I think you deserve this award too. After all, you improved "Overpowered by Funk" before I expanded this article with you. ;) Synthwave.94 (talk) 11:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you so very much, TheQ Editor. I would like to work more for MOTD and have a full schedule for, at least, a couple of weeks in advance. Quite frankly, the situation is not good enough and, in recent months, we are in a continuous state of emergency. Once again thank you for The MOTD Barnstar, it was very, very much appreciated. Best wishes and happy editing. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
@Miss Bono: Hola señorita L., it is so lovely to hear from you and thank you for thinking of me. I am very well, and I hope you are fine too. I look forward to hearing from you soon. All the very best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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I would be glad to work in a newsletter for December, and gather all info about U2´s new album and next tour. I wont be around wikipedia much, but I might help from time to time. Greetings... Miss Bono [hello, hello!]13:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi L., I hope all is fine with you. The draft of the U2 Newsletter is at the same point where we have left it, which coincides with the time when you left WikiPeida in Novenber-December 2013. There are 11 subscribers (including me and you) for the delivering. Sorry, but I think that at this moment it will be just too much effort for too little. You know they wrote "With or Without You" in 1987 for The Joshua Tree album, but I'm really thinking it was written for you (sung by Wikipedia:WikiProject U2; "it can't live without you" :D). If you have any further suggestions about this, please let me know as soon as possible. All the very best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:00, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi P, I will think about something that doesnt require so much effort but worth the little effort we put into it. I am excited about the new album. It is really amazing.
P.S. Haha, I wish they had written that song for me.
OK, thank you! Also, take a look at the draft and tell me what you think. It would be great to interview the main authors/editors of the article and ask (a few questions) about its development. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you Pjoef for the kind message. I surely would be pleased to continue working on it. I also created a stub on the Simple English Wiki, as i've been working a bit on punk-rock over there. Thanks again, and happy holidays too (coming soon, eh? ;) benzband (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
benzband (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and i have a suggestion: if the blackout does take place, we can report it to the day after when everyone will be going back to normal :-) benzband (talk) 19:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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Well, apart from the above warning, please look at this : Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/January 22, 2012.benzband (talk) 14:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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Have a GR8 1st of April! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
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Are great!
Fixed (by previewing it). sorry for the bother benzband (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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How did you know about the ONE Campaign for the first time?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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Like Miss Bono [zootalk] 14:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Read Sometimes I just don't ask you some things because I believe (with my poor knowdlege of English) that I might upset you with so many questions when I don't understand some stuffs. Miss Bono [zootalk] 15:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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