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Merch chart in Merch section

Minecraft merchandise sales in millions U.S dollars

Can this be included in the Merch section? The Data is from the highest-grossing media franchise article.Timur9008 (talk) 7:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

If you don't sleep for three days straight in Minecraft survival mode phantoms will become more active. 2600:6C56:6200:4E38:7894:C74B:783B:C34E (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

Lena Raine is also now noted as a composer for Minecraft 88.110.232.24 (talk) 22:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

 Already done: see §Music. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 23:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2020

Ok, so minecraft had a new nether update. They added new biomes, blah blah blah. But in this update they also made new music for each biome, and the composer is Lena Raine instead of C418 Again, the update is only in pre release, but in the next two weeks it will probably release. So, under C418 you could put Lena Raine Echodxwn (talk) 04:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

 Already done : As above. See here Jack Frost (talk) 08:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

Can someone change the release date from 18 November 2011 to 17 May 2009 because that date is when the game was first released to public. Thanks 92.11.154.229 (talk) 05:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The release dates used on Wikipedia are the full/official release dates, not the earlier alpha/beta releases. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

In Minecraft#MINECON , please add this line --> In MineCon Live 2019, Mojang announced that Minecraft Festival would be an in-person event being held from Sept 25-27th, 2020 iin Orlando, Florida, before being postponed to 2021 due to coronavirus fears. the ultraUsurper (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

To editor ­the ultraUsurper:  done. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 10:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2020

Please add

to the top of the article the ultraUsurper (talk) 09:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Without any explanation of what could or should be reduced. -- ferret (talk) 11:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Hardcore

Hardcore not available for bedrock without mods, only java. 80.62.116.187 (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2020

Add "Lena Raine" to list of composers 2001:56A:707C:2700:453E:C24D:9EAD:B2DE (talk) 18:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Raine is already listed as a footnote in the article. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 18:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

 Already done Lena Raine is listed in the Music section as a contributor. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Respawn Anchor needs better source

If Respawn Anchor needs a better source, try looking in minecraft.gamepedia.com. It's official Minecraft Wiki. Just find "Respawn Anchor" page. They put a lot of effort into those pages. I hope you would fix the page. Munastronaut (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikis are not reliable sources for use on Wikipedia. See WP:USERG. -- ferret (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Multiple spelling mistakes

There are multiple spelling mistakes in the first paragraph of the "Development" section. I can't edit it due to not having extended confirmed user status. Can someone please correct these mistakes? Feggart (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Feggart:  Done -- Jack Frost (talk) 13:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Can you also fix where it says "RubeDung" the second time RubyDung is mentioned? The correct name is RubyDung as referenced here https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/RubyDung Feggart (talk) 13:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 15:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding Lena Raine to the Infobox

Adding Lena Raine to the actual composers list (currently she is only in the references section) since she now has composed 4 pieces for the Minecraft OST and is officialy an independent composer for Minecraft. Changes:

Minecraft
Developer(s)	Mojang Studios
Publisher(s)	Mojang Studios, Microsoft Studios, Sony Interactive Entertainement
Designer(s)	Markus Persson, Jens Bergensten
Artist(s)	Markus Toivonen, Jasper Boerstra
Composer(s)	C418, Lena Raine
Platform(s)	Windows, OS X, Linux
Release	18 November 2011
Genre(s)	Sandbox, survival
Mode(s)	Single-player, multiplayer

Changes are on the "composer" line of the Infobox Rômulo aka Leony HD (talk) 11:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ~ Amkgp 💬 11:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Sources:

1-According to Minecraft Official Wiki Mojang has a contract with Lena Raine

2- According to the official Minecraft article "The Sound of Scary" (https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/the-sound-scary) Lena Raine is the composer of the new tracks in the Nether Update

3- According to Lena Raine's official website the Nether Update tracks are in her list of compositions.

4- According to Minecraft official Wiki Lena Raine is the official producer of the new Nether Update tracks, adding to the Minecraft OST.

5-According to Wikipedia article "Lena Raine" (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Lena_Raine) she is the official composer of the new tracks in Minecraft's Nether Update

6- According to Minecraft's various posts from different social medias mentioning Lena Raine

7- According to the Official Minecraft article on snapshot 20w15a (https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-20w15a) Lena Raine is the composer of the new OST tracks. PS.: The official 1.16 version is out and Lena Raine's tracks are a solid addition to Minecraft.

- Sources provided --Leony_HD Rômulo aka Leony HD (talk) 12:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Lena's contributions are already covered in the article prose, but the infobox states that the composer field (as well as writer, designer, etc) should only include lead roles. Lena is not credited in Minecraft as "lead composer" to my knowledge. In addition, there's already a note on the field that mentions Lena's contributions. -- ferret (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, yes Lena Raine really isn't credited as lead composer --Rômulo aka Leony HD (talk) 13:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 July 2020

Please add the first, and the latest stable Minecraft version and the latest snapshot to the infobox. The latest stable version is 1.16.1 and the latest snapshot is 20w27a. Writing the first/latest versions in the infobox is used on many software with versions, including Nintendo Switch system software as an example. EDIT to the decline reason: It's a lie that infoboxes don't support versions. I have seen version numbers written in infoboxes on various Wikipedia pages; see above for an example. Please provide a further clarification if you want to decline my request.176.222.226.5 (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The infobox does not support version fields. -- ferret (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

As he said, the infobox does not support version fields, meaning that if you enter them, they simply do not appear. The Nintendo switch software article uses a different one meant for operating systems - Note how the one it uses starts with "{{Infobox OS", whereas the one used on the Minecraft article starts with "{{Infobox video game". Version/release fields work on the OS one, but they don't on the video game one. Eik Corell (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Xbox Series X

Minecraft is said to be available on Xbox Series X. However it is a test demo, so I went here to not take any risks. Does anyone think the Xbox Series X can be added to the infobox? Here are some links for reference: [1] [2] [3] GeraldWL 07:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2020

Minecraft is NOT free it cost $7 on a moblie divice on pc or a desktop it can cost $0 - $30 104.172.44.165 (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: It's unclear what you're referring to, as the article never claims Minecraft is free. There are certain versions that are free to play, and it denotes this, but never claims the game is free on all platforms. -- ferret (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Classic distinction

In the "Personal computer versions" section, Minecraft Classic is treated as its own "version", even though it just refers to older versions of the Java Edition (so if we list Classic we should also list Indev, Indev, Alpha, and Beta). Additionally, the section does not differentiate between the OG Classic and the Classic recreation made for the 10 year anniversary. For instance, Minecraft Classic is an older version of Minecraft that was first available online and can also be played through the game's launcher refers the original but is referenced to the recreation.  Nixinova   T   C   04:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft Franchise/Series Page

Since Minecraft now has multiple spin off games (Minecraft, Minecraft Story Mode Seasons 1 and 2, Minecraft Dungeons, Minecraft Earth, Minecraft: Education Edition plus all the other Minecraft versions like Minecraft China and Minecraft Classic) is it worth making a Minecraft (Series) page? It's becoming more like a franchise now rather than a collection of games. Plus with all the offical spin-off books and the movie (see this) it's becoming more multimedia. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squid45 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• Squid45, while it is a franchise, some of your listed examples are regional/special editions of the base game and don't really contribute towards the guidelines for establishing a series page (which is three distinct games). That being said, several things from this page would look better on a series article (most the legacy stuff such as Minecon and merch), which would also help to declutter this page. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  • "three distinct games": Minecraft, Story Mode, Earth, and Dungeons; thats four.  Nixinova   T   C   06:15, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

    I never disagreed with that point but rather the inclusion of all those other editions as "games" on such a page. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

• General support for the idea, but unsure the Franchise holds enough weight to displace the game for primary topic. I'd recommend starting with a draft, such as Draft:Minecraft (franchise). -- ferret (talk) 19:14, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

3D bar graph - Minecraft merch sales

Is there any data available for this bar graph. I think it is a good idea to make this bar graph 2D, the 3D effect does not add anything and ie hence a distraction, same for the blue agenda. RichardMau5 (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Chartjunk bad. No 3D without a good reason. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:36, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

The chart should be removed until @Timur9008: states his sources. It is also better to use something like Template:Bar chart for accessibility, bandwidth and ease of editing. —Dexxor (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The sources are mentioned in the highest-grossing media franchise article.(under/in the Merchandise sales section) @Dexxor: Timur9008 (talk) 11:37, 3 August, 2020 (UTC)

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises#cite_note-632

sources: (442, 54, 55, 30, and 32 in the article).

2012: https://www.vg247.com/2012/03/24/minecraft-hits-80m-in-sales-with-over-5m-paid-downloads/

2013: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/44+entertainment%2Fcharacter+properties+reach+%24100+m+in+sales+of...-a0438689353

2014: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/42+entertainment+character+properties+reach+%24100+million+in+sales+of...-a0439804356

etc

You still should be doing this using some template with inline sources and not a low-resolution rasterized image with unneeded 3D bars. No one can correct the image, correct the text, align the labels, fix cropped label, add new years, inline sources, improve accessibility, etc. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft 4K edition (forgotten edition of Minecraft)

Minecraft 4K was a Minecraft version in 4 kilobytes for the Java 4K contest.

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_4k — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.167.84 (talk) 03:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I can't find any reliable sources that cover this game, so I don't think it can be added into the article. Even if there was, this is a minuscule, unimportant release that feels more like WP:TRIVIA than anything else. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 16:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Namcokid47: It is referenced in this article here--Breawycker (talk to me!) 16:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Split Minecraft Education Edition into its own article

I believe that Minecraft: Education Edition should get it’s own article (along with potentially further splits for versions such as Bedrock and Java). Education Edition is treated as a separate entity to the main game, has different updates, platforms, mechanics and history, has many notable sources referencing it and has different printing options.

To avoid confusion between versions, shouldn’t there should be one page focused on Minecraft (the original game, the page we have now) then separate pages for Java, Bedrock, and Education? They are different after all; not only in mechanics, but history, purpose, influence, availability and price. The Official Minecraft Wiki has all three as separate pages, demonstrating that there is enough distinction between the versions to warrant a page.

An example of where a similar problem has been encountered is with Tetris and its many versions. “Tetris” has a main page for the game describing the overall gameplay and history. Then it has separate pages for Tetris (Atari), Tetris (NES), Tetris (Electronic Arts), and Tetris (Game Boy) all of which don’t stray too far from the core formula but have minor differences (sort of like Java/Bedrock). Then you have all the Tetris variants of which there are around 20 which add new features and tweak the formula as separate pages.

The way Tetris has handled the variants in the above example makes it easier for readers to distinguish between the many versions. Surely Minecraft should do the same?

This was briefly discussed between two users here, but it was suggested to reestablish the discussion on this talk page instead. Squid45 (talk) 08:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

For splits like this, we want a significant history (more than what there was already) on its development past. The gameplay differences are trivial for the most part. In the case of Tetris, you'll notice the splits tend to be games from different developers and publishers and thus created the vast differences in development paths, but in the case of Minecraft and its versions, there's basically only been one, so type of disparate development isn't really going to happen. --Masem (t) 13:03, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Masem, if a franchise page is made (see above), then it probably could be expanded upon a bit there. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, a franchise page would be a better place to briefly take about each of the other variants, but still would not have a subpage for the individual game. --Masem (t) 22:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Change that page. It says no thing about bedrock.

GAMEMODE can still be changed after world creation, without cheats, though only possible on bedrock edition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.120.85.151 (talk) 07:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

That's a bug.  Nixinova   T   C   07:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

More information needed

It would be more accurate if the article specified that 4J studios, Other ocean interactive, and netease all worked on some verison and/or editions of the game — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56a:f9e6:a300:4c30:773b:6b8:ec8b (talk) 21:27, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

What is your source for the above? In other words, tell us where you heard it. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

4J Studios made the console versions, Other Ocean made the 3DS version, and NetEase made the Chinese version.  Nixinova   T   C   22:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Except for Netease, these are already in an efn for the infobox. -- ferret (talk) 22:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Per [4]. [5], [6], Minecraft#Minecraft China, and NetEase#Licensed online games NetEase signed an agreement to license Minecraft in China. Where is the evidence that they "worked on" the game? --Guy Macon (talk) 23:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Add citation for "Hardcore mode is Java Edition-only"

Replace {{cn|date=September 2020}} in the Hardcore mode section with <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/15/21287920|title=Minecraft Bedrock vs. Java: Which is the right version for you?|date=15 June 2020|access-date=20 September 2020|website=[[Polygon (website)]]|last=Lee|first=Julia}}<ref>. —Dexxor (talk) 06:49, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

To editor Dexxor:  done, and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 12:03, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

No Goals?

The Gameplay article states there are no specific goals to accomplish. Getting to "The End" and destroying the Ender Dragon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.136.122 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

...which brings you right back to the overworld where you can resume playing. And you can re-summon the Ender dragon. Some players kill the Ender Dragon 20 times to create the maximum of 20 end gateway portals and then start building things in the end. Or you can ignore the end (and the nether for that matter) and keep exploring and building until you either die of old age or Hypixel Studios releases Hytale. Not sure which will happen first.   :(   --Guy Macon (talk) 12:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2020

Along with C418, Lena Raine wrote a new music disc. She shoud be one of the composers. The Ancient Sage (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: See the several edit requests already pertaining to this. Lena is mentioned in a note already. -- ferret (talk) 15:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request: Smash bros reveal

Five news articles are reporting that Minecraft Steve being revealed for Smash Ultimate has caused Twitter servers to crash temporarily. I suck at editing though. Here are the sources, make the entry something like this

"On October 1st, Nintendo revealed that Steve from Minecraft would be playable as DLC in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, the following reception caused Twitter server issues."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/twitter-crashes-and-reacts-to-super-smash-bros-ultimates-minecraft-steve-reveal/1100-6482817/

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/minecraft-super-smash-bros-ultimate-reveal-causes-twitter-to-crash/

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/10/super-smash-bros-ultimate-minecraft-steve-reaction

https://screenrant.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-minecraft-dlc-crash-twitter/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/twitter-crashes-and-reacts-to-super-smash-bros-ultimates-minecraft-steve-reveal/1100-6482817/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1107:8A76:55E:1BC4:366C:3966 (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

This is a extremely trivial bit of information and not encyclopedically relevant. This will not be added. --Masem (t) 19:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 September 2020

Spectator mode: This mode is only available on the Java Edition of Minecraft. Userminecrafter69 (talk) 03:46, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

This is correct, spectator mode is currently only available natively in the Java Edition of Minecraft. @HelenAngel: can likely verify this, as I recall she mentions on the official Minecraft Discord that spectator mode will become available in Bedrock Edition in future. ~ Chip🐺 11:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Hypixel as "the most popular" or "one of the most popular"?

See: Talk:Minecraft_server#Hypixel_as_most_common?

Might as well resolve this inconsistency. Both this article Minecraft and the article Minecraft server talk about server popularity, but this article says "one of the most popular" while the other says "the most popular" regarding Hypixel. One of these should change. I'm moving this discussion here since it petered out on the other article (which is admittedly much smaller). Which should it be? Leijurv (talk) 19:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

It's verifiably "the" most popular, even has a Guinness world record for it. That wording may have been fine 5 years ago but Mineplex has since crashed and burned and no other server even comes close to Hypixel (they recently reached 111k concurrent users; all others max at ~30k).  Nixinova   T   C   21:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I vote "one of the most popular", purely for neutrality. Secondary to that: correct me if I'm wrong; but, there's no continuously verifiable source of truth for the popularity of Minecraft servers. There is also consensus Guinness World Records should not be used as a reliable source to establish notability. ~ Chip🐺 11:52, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with this either. You can't prove other servers don't have more players. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dissident93: I'm a little confused, seems like by your logic we can't, for example, claim that Minecraft is the best-selling video game of all time because I can't prove that another game hasn't suddenly sold a hundred million copies? I mean, you're right, we can't, I can't. But we have reliable sources (a world record) that claim so. If someone desires to beat the world record, they can. And Guinness is not establishing notability here, Hypixel was in the article even without the claim that it was the most popular, and the Hypixel article is well supported outside of Guinness. Leijurv (talk) 23:19, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Leijurv, that's true, I argue the same thing when I see phrases such as "fourth best-selling game on the platform" in articles. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dissident93: I think that is a bit of a silly viewpoint. You could apply this to any statement that could change in the future, no? Kipchoge's article says "He is the world record holder in the marathon", do we remove that because you can't prove someone else hasn't run a marathon since then in less time? If a person or entity currently holds the Guinness world record, I think that is probably the best possible source for what person or entity holds the world record in that thing. The reason is that Guinness is updated, and can absolutely be considered a "continuously verifiable source of truth" for who currently holds a specific world record with them. Leijurv (talk) 02:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Leijurv, well it's one thing to have multiple sources claiming it vs. just a Guinness world record, who aren't the most reliable and apparently shouldn't be used as a source either. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dissident93: Right, there are multiple sources claiming that he set the record. The question here, I think, is whether those sources could get outdated. I.e. can we say "Kipchoge set the record at that time" or "Kipchoge currently holds the record". I looked at Guinness on WP:PEREN and read through a few of the linked discussions on WP:RSN. It doesn't establish notability in and of itself to have set a world record, I agree with that. Furthermore, Guinness has been making decisions on what records to publish that are based upon how much money they can make. At the same time, I don't see any consensus against Guinness maintaining the records that they do keep track of.

How about According to Guinness World Records, the largest and most popular server is Hypixel, which has been visited by over 14 million unique players? Leijurv (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

You can see for yourself that no other server even comes close to Hypixel in terms of player count. Having a qualifier is unnecessary when it has easily 10x the player count than the next-highest.  Nixinova   T   C   20:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Are all of those players sharing a single minecraft world and interacting with each other? Sticking a bunch of different words together into the same category and counting the total players just because the different minecraft worlds happen to be owned by the same outfit would be way less impressive. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:27, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Uh, that's not the definition of a Minecraft server, like, at all.  Nixinova   T   C   03:08, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Uh oh, Guinness forgot to account for the fact that players in the overworld can't interact with players in the nether. Separate records are needed for that! =P Leijurv (talk) 08:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2020

A Minecraft (franchise) page has been created, where merchandise, Minecon, movies and additional spin-off game information has been added, using content from this page. As such, a lot of content on this page can be moved over. I can't do this because of the extended protection on it, so is it possible that someone else does?

The following template should be added:

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2020

Under Cultural impact, the sentence beginning with "Minecraft has been referenced" cites the Geometry Dash Wiki, a Fandom page. I believe this should be removed per WP:RSP. Twotwice (talk) 23:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Done.  Nixinova   T   C   02:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

"Released as a public alpha"

According to [ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_version_history ] There were several versions released to the public prior to alpha. The earliest was Java Edition pre-Classic, AKA Cave game. See [ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_pre-Classic ] So why do we mention the alpha in the lead? --Guy Macon (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Read that carefully: That was Notch's internal versions but never released to the public until much later (as historical versions). --Masem (t) 14:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Not true.

[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Alpha_v1.0.0 ] says "Alpha v1.0.0 is the first Alpha version of the game, released on June 30, 2010"

[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Indev_0.31 ] says "Indev 0.31 refers to 26 different versions of Indev released between December 23, 2009, and February 5, 2010. "

[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Late_Classic_Creative ] says "Late Classic Creative refers to six versions of Classic released from October 27 to November 10, 2009."

[ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Classic_0.0.11a [ says "0.0.11a was a version of Java Edition Classic released on May 17, 2009,[1] at 11:56 UTC" and "This was the first public version of Minecraft, posted on the Tigsource Forum labeled Minecraft (alpha)"

Also see

Minecraft 0.0.11a for public consumption (May 17th, 2009),

and compare it with

Minecraft Alpha has been updated to version 1.0.1 (I just arbitrarily decided that the previous version (Jun 30th, 2010) was 1.0.0. :D), (Jul 3rd, 2010),

which was the first mention on Alpha.

So the first version of Minecraft was released to the public over a year before the first Alpha version. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Given the way the sourcing is in the body (not going off the wikis but RSes), it was when Notch offered a paid alpha is considered to be when the game was first widely publicly available, even though the other versions were there for the taking before that. So I've modified to reflect that there were test versions before that point, and the alpha reflects when he started to ask for funds for it. --Masem (t) 19:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft wiki guy here, there's a difference between "Alpha" and "alpha". Capital A "Alpha" is the development period between Infdev and Beta. Lowercase A "alpha" refers to all versions before Beta, including Classic, Indev and Infdev. "Released as a public alpha" uses the general term, the lowercase A "alpha", so using "alpha" to refer to Classic is OK.  Nixinova   T   C   19:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

So, if I understand this correctly, at first minecraft was free but at one point Notch started charging money? If so, do we know exactly when and how much? Did notch specify any particular license for those early versions? I know that alpha is a generic term, but did notch use the term before version 1.0 or is "Lowercase A 'alpha' refers to all versions before Beta, including Classic, Indev and Infdev" just a naming convention that was tacked on later? Many developers call pre-alpha versions "Dev" or "Indev" (Development/In Development) but if anyone else has used "Infdev" I never heard of it -- maybe something Notch made up?. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

By lowercase A "alpha" I mean alpha as in a generic software alpha phase, as opposed to the unique phase of Minecraft explicitly labelled "Alpha" (see [7]). You can see here that the very first public version of the game was called "Minecraft alpha" by Notch.
Notch made up the name "Infdev" as a cross between "infinite [world generation] development" with "in-dev".
The game was originally free, but as it got more popular Notch changed the game to be paid at the start of the Indev stage.  Nixinova   T   C   22:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

That appears to settle the question. In [ https://notch.tumblr.com/post/108652448/early-private-singleplayer-alpha-coming-very-soon ] (May 16th, 2009) Notch says "Early private singleplayer alpha coming very soon". That's one day before the first public release of 0.0.11a, and thus Nixinova is right; all early releases are properly called "alpha". Thanks for clearing that up!

Still wondering about when Notch first started started charging money and what the cost was. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

"This is not official in any way, but I’ve gotten several requests that people who paid should be able to play the latest version, even if it’s horribly buggy and crashes all the time." – Notch releasing the first version of Indev, 23 December 2009. Cost €5 back then.  Nixinova   T   C   03:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Size of the first version?

Found something interesting that might be worth adding to the article.

There is an IRC log from 2009 at:

[ https://archive.org/download/Minecraft_IRC_Logs_2009/history/files/May-15-to-June-03-2009/2009-05-16.075419-0400EDT.txt.~1~ ]

(You can remove the ".~1~" at the end an read it as a normal txt file,)

In the log I found this:

(08:37:23) notch: I think I'll go grab some food and ponder this. The good news is that the applet WORKS (08:37:44) notch: and also that the total size of my game excluding the game library stuff is 29.3 kb. ;) (08:37:50) notch: low res textures for the win

I have never seen the size of the first version anywhere. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the size of the original versions matter much, as without that "game library stuff" the game wouldn't actually work. Also, this is very much WP:OR.  Nixinova   T   C   04:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

"Piglin" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Piglin. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 17#Piglin until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:30, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2020

Minecraft remains The Worlds Highest Biggest Selling Video Game In The Industry’s Of All Time for selling over 200 Million Copies No Game Has Broken The Game records Of. minecraft Thus Already means that That The Entire Game Has Broken The Industry Game Sales Records 94.174.145.112 (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Already mentioned in intro. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 November 2020

In the 'Survival' part of the Wikipedia page. I would like to/ like someone to edit these parts as I think they are necessary.

1. Players can craft a wide variety of items in Minecraft.[47] Craftable items include armor, which mitigates damage from attacks; weapons (such as swords)(Original Sentence)

Players can craft a wide variety of items in Minecraft.[47] Craftable items include armor, which mitigates damage from attacks; weapons (such as swords and axes)(Recommended Change)

Here I find the addition of 'and axes' in the brackets necessary, as axe is one of the main weapons especially in 1.16. Since it deals more damage.

2. The game has an inventory system, allowing players to carry a limited number of items.[50] Upon dying, items in the players' inventories are dropped unless the game is configured not to do so. (Original Sentence)

The game has an inventory system, allowing players to carry a limited number of items.[50] Upon dying, items in the players' inventories are dropped unless the 'Keep Inventory' game-rule is set to 'true'.(Recommended Change)

At the end of this sentence, the phrase 'unless the game is configured not to do so' should be replaced with 'unless the 'Keep Inventory' game-rule is set to 'true'. This is more specific and might help players understand this part of the game more clearly. SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Point 1. I added "or axes". Not "and" though, since these are just examples. What about bows? Or tridents? Or crossbows? Wikipedia isn't an extensive list of such things. Whether an axe is a main weapon is highly subjective.

Point 2. This is trivia. Mentioning "game rule" now requires explaining what a game rule is, what setting it means, what values it has and what is meant by "true". May be if reliable source cover this, we might? The fact that it already mentions "unless the game is configured not to do so" is a bit excessive detail since you can configure the game to do a lot of things differently from default and mentioning each exception would be extremely trivial. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

This isn't worth mentioning in the article, but according to [8] the axe has some advantages over the sword when fighting person to person against opponents who are using a shield. I think "swords or axes" hits the right balance; it gives a subtle clue to look farther for the reader who never considered the possibility that an axe could be a useful weapon, without going down the rabbit hole of detailed game mechanics (that's why FSM gave us a Minecraft Wiki^{[Citation Needed]}) --Guy Macon (talk) 13:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sword is preferred weapon of choice in 1.8 but the axe was considerably buffed in 1.16, to the point where sword is mainly ornamental in 1.16. It will help users if reading this article since the axe is better for general combat in the game, when playing on 1.16.

The source for this already stated above. SenatorLEVI (talk) 02:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

References

The Word of Notch or Tumblr

When citing Notch's posts on Tumblr, should we fill in the website as "The Word of Notch" or "Tumblr"? Lazman321 (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Lazman321 The Word of Notch is no longer one of the official links on the Minecraft Website, but since it talks a lot about updates and game-related topic it would be recommended to state it as "The Word of Notch". Unsure if it has a Wikipedia page since I can't find one. SenatorLEVI (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

The Word of Notch redirects to Markus Persson. I will wait until there is more of a consensus from other wikipedians. Lazman321 (talk) 16:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 November 2020

I don't think that that date is correct 87.16.62.39 (talk) 16:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- ferret (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Update to Cultural Impact section?

The third paragraph especially of "Cultural Impact" could really use an update. e.g. the Yogscast no longer produce minecraft videos (not regularly, at least), and Jordan Maron's "Minecraft Style" isn't nearly as culturally relevant as his song "Revenge", with a quarter-billion views.

Also, this sentence: " In 2019, YouTube again popularized Minecraft.[316]"... okay, and? it's an unfinished thought. Maybe mention Pewdiepie and/or CallMeCarson, or others who re-popularized the game around that timeframe 131.128.199.211 (talk) 04:58, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Not required, the specific sentence you mentioned talks about the kind of Minecraft content on Youtube that popularized the same. There is no need to change this as the Yogscast contributed to popularizing Minecraft by putting out content at that time, and thus deserves to be mentioned. Regarding your second request the sentence is ' In 2019, YouTube again popularized Minecraft. ', there is no need for any additions to it, if you read it carefully you will understand that. Mentions of any Youtubers aren't required as there are several websites for the same topic, and the Youtubers that have popularized Minecraft can be subjective, e.g. Hermitcraft, Technoblade, Mr.Beast, DanTDM; who've got much more Minecraft content than the Youtubers you have mentioned.(User:131.128.199.211)SenatorLEVI (talk) 06:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2020

Change the tense of the paragraph under Spinoff Games\Minecraft Earth to a present tense to be more consistent with the tense of the page it links to. Not calling it "upcoming" or saying what it "will" do, as the linked Minecraft Earth wikipedia page refers to it presently. Runforitman (talk) 07:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I have made this edit pulling in sources from the Minecraft Earth page, feel free to ping me if I missed anything! Leijurv (talk) 08:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Many sections (namely reception and bedrock edition) neglect changes made in the last few years to the bedrock platform. Additionally there should be some discussion of the transition to require Microsoft accounts.

Minimally I recommend adding a warning banner at the top of sections with out of date info about bedrock denoting them as such. Tajetaje (talk) 21:12, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

More in Java edition's variants subsection

Can someone add the following and maybe expand:

On April 19, 2011, PC Gamer released a special demo in issue 214 that included a special texture for cows which included the PC Gamer logo on the right side.

— WinnerWolf99 ^talk_{What did I break now?} 23:02, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Stuff like that isn't very relevant, it'd be like listing all the April Fools variants. Not of overall significance.  Nixinova   T   C   03:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I suppose! — WinnerWolf99 ^talk_{What did I break now?} 03:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2020

Hi I want to edit this 2.97.229.158 (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ionmars10 (talk) 14:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Small Word Change

In Cultural Impact, where it talks about Steve being in smash, I feel like the words “playable character” would be better than “downloadable character”. Just a small thing that I think would be better. DaRealJake (talk) 03:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Open Source Clones

Free open-source clones of Minecraft such as Minetest are well-known by the community and endorsed by a primarily open source website. If more sources are necessary I can add tho. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 05:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

We need reliable sources that document these, that would be the first requirement. --Masem (t) 05:41, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

opensource.com is a very reliable site regarding FOSS software. There are much more reliable sources about Minetest, but not very much regarding others. Would referencing Minetest be OK while also keeping others that are mentioned in opensource.com article? --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 17:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

A reliable secondary source showing any of these clones have any particular significance is what's requires. No one is arguing they aren't open source or don't exist. But open source project databases do not establish any degree of significance. -- ferret (talk) 17:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I am thinking "alternatives" rather than only listing open source projects. That would allow inclusion of the free version on Minecraft that ships with every Raspberry Pi[9] and the free browser version[10]

Would any of the following sources be sufficient to establish significance?

• https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-best-sandbox-creation-games-for-minecraft-fans *See "Open-Source Minecraft" section)
• https://www.pcgamesn.com/minecraft/free-minecraft-games

Drifting a bit off-topic but also interesting:

• https://babylonjs.medium.com/minecraft-classic-a-truly-open-story-85368ffe314b
• https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/25/21338092/minecraft-windows-95-pc-doom-vm-computers-mod

If we decide to list any open source games here we should double checked to make sure they are also at List of open-source video games.

It might be worth mentioning in passing that Mojang has made some Minecraft libraries open-source:[11] --Guy Macon (talk) 18:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

We do have to be careful with "games that are like Minecraft" (which we don't usually document) to "games directly inspired by Minecraft" and "games that clone Minecraft" (which we also can include as long as the reputable sources are there. That can cover both commercial and open-source games for certain, but its the sourcing to assert these were directly inspired from Minecraft, not just allusions to a Minecraft-like game. (not everything voxel-based ==Minecraft-related). --Masem (t) 18:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Good point. Nobody wants to see a game listed that doesn't allow you to build things by placing blocks that you have mined. That is the heart and soul of Minecraft. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

My concern is that as Minecraft has been known to help vitalize the survivor genre, a poorly constructed section that doesn't set limits would allow any survival game to be added as a game related to Minecraft. That's not helpful, though obviously the connection to the survival genre should be emphasized. Any named game first should ideally be notable (standalone article on WP), and should be one that its devs have directly connected to Minecraft as a fundamental work in defining their game. That prevents the type of kuzdo that I've seen these sections draw if one's not careful in their definition. --Masem (t) 19:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Excellent point. There is a significant risk that such a section will become "Made a new game? Get free advertising on Wikipedia here! Got a favorite game that nobody knows about? Promote it here! Nobody cares if its just another tetris or breakout clone; if it has blocks, it is related to Minecraft!" :( --Guy Macon (talk) 20:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

We can mention that several open source clones exist without listing any specific games/projects, which feel promotional in nature to me. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Good plan. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2020

minecraft has beef 84.69.26.134 (talk) 11:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. There does not appear to be any reason to include this trivial information. There are many other foods in the game too. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:48, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

It is also incomplete and misleading. Minecraft has Raw Beef (Bedrock and Java) which when cooked turns into Cooked Beef (Bedrock) or Steak (Java). --Guy Macon (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hm, perhaps the IP is trying to say that Minecraft (the game itself) has a quarrel with another game ("beef")? Leijurv (talk) 02:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Also what I thought, but the request is pretty vague.SenatorLEVI (talk) 02:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

This should almost certainly have just been treated a disruption and removed. Nothing to see here, carry on. -- ferret (talk) 00:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

MC-199804

I don't know if we can find good sourcing for this, but there have been a lot of comments on blogs and on YouTube about Mojangs decision to show politicized message on the Minecraft startup screen. See [ https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-199804 ]. We should start thinking about how we want to cover this when it inevitably hits the mainstream media.

You can go to [ https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Splash ] and click on the top of the number column to sort the list of messages by number. This puts the messages in numerical order, and puts the new messages at the bottom. The newest messages are:

• Black lives matter!
• Be anti-racist!
• Learn about allyship!
• Speak OUT against injustice and UP for equality!
• Amplify and listen to BIPOC voices!
• Educate your friends on anti-racism!
• Support the BIPOC community and creators!
• Stand up for equality in your community!

Related: Black lives matter, Allyship, BIPOC.

Note: this post is not a commentary on the actual content of the messages, which I personally pretty much agree with. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Given that this would appear to be the typical "gamers speak out against cancel culture" that is of the same type of Gamergate, we shouldn't really worry about it until we get really strong coverage in RSes. It's the type of thing we have to actively avoid because it is primarily stuff restricted to forums/etc. --Masem (t) 18:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

"Stop being reasonable, this is the Internet!" -- another Minecraft opening screen message

Definitely not enough coverage outside the blogosphere for inclusion at this time.

Details on the version containing the new messages:[12] --Guy Macon (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

These splash messages were added to the game on September 1. I'd imagine that if the media felt this was a noteworthy thing to cover, they would've already done so by now. Ionmars10 (talk) 19:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

People being angry at something doesn't really mean it's important. Not sure why this is being brought up now, even though the bug report was made back in September and the killing of George Floyd was way back in May. This seems very much like a 'keep politics outta muh game' kind of thing. SWinxy (talk) 19:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I highly doubt this is worth covering, most people come to the Wiki to learn about the game and certain in-game mechanics. Not many people pay that much attention to the splash messages, and the new political ones are very generic and aren't very elaborate.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2020

Hi there wiki moderators! I have been playing Minecraft for 9 years now; and i would like to give back and educate the community. If i get edit

access I plan to do the following:

- Add some slight changes to the Gameplay section.

- Make some slight changes to the images; as they are slightly outdated.

- Add more details to the Hardcore Mode section as it is not detailed to its best and could use some adjustments.

- Fix some grammatical errors overall and add more referrals to more in-depth articles about some items and mobs.

Now if you give me access or not thats totally up yo you; as your the moderator and im not. Thanks! SanicCanada (talk) 23:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. This edit request template is not for requesting to have access to edit, but to request a specific edit to be made. -- ferret (talk) 23:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 January 2021

i wanna edit PersonWithFeet (talk) 11:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. If you want to edit the article yourself, your account needs to be extended confirmed. —Dexxor (talk) 12:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Special Events

Can someone put the 31st of Halloween on there cause a couple of mobs have pumpkins on their heads.

Np if u can’t I just think the new players may not know that also think all you moderaters are doing a great job,keep it up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.158.8 (talk) 10:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

This type of trivia belongs on the Minecraft wiki, not here on Wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft Launcher?

I've noticed that the Minecraft Launcher is not mentioned at all in this article. Any thoughts? >>BEANS X2t 13:27, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

RfC announce: Hytale release date

Your participation in the following RfC would be helpful. Talk:Hytale#RfC: Hytale video game release date --Guy Macon (talk) 02:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2021

As this article is too long and must be split, also it required to update few areas and smaller corrections so I want to edit it. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Jack Frost (talk) 05:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Image of hostile mobs

Should there be a note that says that spiders are only hostile during nighttime or if attacked by the player?

Rharris556 (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Rharris556

• That's not necessary to understanding the game and its impact. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Spiders only attack you if A) you attack them or B) it is night. Also, Endermen only attack if you look at them. MarioFyreFlower (talk) 20:37, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Spiders only attack you if A) you attack them or B) it is night. Also, Endermen only attack if you look at them. MarioFyreFlower (talk) 20:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Spiders only attack you if A) you attack them or B) it is night. Also, Endermen only attack if you look at them. I can't edit the page cuz it's protected. >.< MarioFyreFlower (talk) 20:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Poster Image Fix

Steve is actually wielding an Iron Pickaxe instead of a diamond one in the image on the right, at the top of the page. Is this too minor for a change or is it too misinforming? Image: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Minecraft_cover.png#/media/File:Minecraft_cover.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuarkVoid (talk • contribs) 10:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I simply removed the "type". He's holding a pickaxe is enough detail. -- ferret (talk) 13:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Should Builders and Biomes be added to the Spin-Off Games section?

Builders and Biomes is the Minecraft board game that was developed by Ravensberger and released in 2019. BoyBeyondTheStars (talk) 17:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Good article request

Minecraft has grown popular in early 2020 as PewDiePie (famous youtuber) played it, so maybe you should make this article a good article. Another reason is that Minecraft has been in youtube with, like 20000 videos. Even songs were added, so that's why you should make it a good article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshua's Number9 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Joshua's Number9, Good Articles are not determined by the popularity of the subject, but rather the quality of the article. You can see a list of the criteria here. This is not the proper channel to nominate the article. Here are the instructions on nominating one. SWinxy (talk) 18:43, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2021

I was going to add more detail about why Minecraft Earth was going to close down. PolarWafflez5327 (talk) 14:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. If you can outline the changes you would like to make, another editor may add them if they follow guidelines. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 16:52, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

EULA Controversy

In a recent Youtube video made by Slush, the EULA controversy that occurred back in 2014 came to table again. Its clarified that the EULA was always there, but got realized by the community later as the game got much more popularized than it was ever before and laws started to be applied. The big news sites, which are very interested of attention, dramatized the whole controversy just like Notch changed something and caused all of it. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 19:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Slush isn't a reliable source or usable for changing a Wikipedia article. The changes were also unnecessarily verbose. -- ferret (talk) 19:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

ferret yes, he is not a reliable source indeed but what he points in the video is a relevant thing. If you check out Minecraft's license, you would see that it was always there but people realized the clauses after they got implemented by law as the game became famous. Therefore the section in the page must be fixed because there is a false allegation there. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 20:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Also Notch himself clarified the public about the EULA situation in this interview. Yes, this one is Forbes which is also not accepted as reliable source but its an interview of Minecraft's creator therefore it needs to be accepted for this occasion. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 20:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, anything we add on this should roughly follow what is in [ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/24/minecraft-how-a-change-to-the-rules-is-tearing-the-community-apart ]. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

An interesting editorials on this: [ https://www.pcgamer.com/why-minecrafts-new-eula-is-good-for-the-community/ ] --Guy Macon (talk) 20:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

I am curious if Guardian and all other media outlets were honest while making those claims, as there hadn't been a major update on EULA and Notch himself clarified that.--Comrade-yutyo (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

The idea of "EULA was always there, people only noticed they were violating it later" is probably true, but will be hard to source. For example, there was a lot of drama in April 2020 about it, but no news media picked it up looks like (referring to here and here). The best we can do is probably the actual change that was made to the EULA in 2014. Leijurv (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Herobrine

Herobrine popularised Minecraft. He's a meme, a rare skin, and a hacker. Why is it that it literally just says " he appears in people's worlds and builds strange structures. Mojang has confirmed that Herobrine never existed in Minecraft and there are no plans to add him." Herobrine does much more than " build structures"! He crashes your game, tries to kill you and started in several web series and books. Please add more info on Herobrine, the article a nowhere even CLOSE to being descriptive enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioFyreFlower (talk • contribs) 09:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Please read WP:UNDUE. It's a very minor part of the game, and should be treated as such. Any added details or claims of significance needs to be verified by reliable, third party sources. (IGN, Eurogamer, etc - not social media or Youtuber videos.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello MarioFyreFlower, information on Herobrine can be expanded/added. If you can provide some sources regarding his popularity or influence on Minecraft's popularity it would be helpful. The article is highly descriptive in my opinion. SenatorLEVI 14:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2021 (1)

Change the part about Herobrine "coming into the world and building strange structures" Herobrine never existed in mInecraft and is just a myth. 174.255.128.131 (talk) 04:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The article says:

"Herobrine" is an urban legend associated with Minecraft, who first appeared as a single image on 4chan's /v/ board. According to rumors, Herobrine appears in players' worlds and builds strange constructions. However, Mojang has confirmed that Herobrine has never existed in Minecraft, and there are no plans to add Herobrine." --Guy Macon (talk) 06:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2021 (2)

Ok but there is no reason to have Herobrine in it at all. And he doesn't just come into your world and build strange constructions,he destroyes the place.Ever read any Minecraft fanfic? When was the last time you read a book about Herobrine going mwaahahaha I will destroy the world by building upside down ts!!? So even if you don't remove Herobrine, the definition is wrong anyway. If u want to have him in the articles, then put him in a section labeled myths and rumors or something. 174.255.128.131 (talk) 14:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2021 (1)

I HAVE seen above.Your definition is completely wrong and Herobrine itself should be moved to a diffrenet article. 174.255.128.131 (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please be more specific on what changes you want made, and please keep these discussions together instead of creating new edit requests. If you need help, visit the Teahouse. SWinxy (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2021 (2)

Ok, so there are a lot of things wrong with this article.

1.Remove "The core gameplay revolves around picking up and placing these objects".As was said earlier, there are no primary objectives in Minecraft.

2.Change "The game also contains a material known as redstone, which can be used to make primitive mechanical devices, electrical circuits, and logic gates, allowing for the construction of many complex systems" to, "Redstone is an in game material which allows players to build modern devices, such as clocks, robots, and even spaceships." There is no limit to what you can do with redstone., and it is certainly not "primitive".

3.There are actually five difficulties.Peaceful, easy, normal, hard, and hardcore.

4.There are actually four dimensions.The overworld, which you spawn in, the Nether, which is filled with lava and you can get through via a portal, the End, where you have a final boss fight, and the void, which is below every dimension, but is only accessible through the end. The void damages you the longer you stay there.

5.The part about Herobrine in cultural impact is a bit random, dont cha think? 174.255.128.131 (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

(Click to enlarge) How many of these can you build using redstone? (Source: Chambers' Cyclopædia, 1728

[1]: "core gameplay" and "primary objective" are not the same thing. Not all games have objectives. All have core gameplay.

[2]: There certainly are limits to what you can do with redstone, and the mechanical aspects are indeed primitive. (the control and logic bits are pretty good, though) You are lacking all of the the six classical simple machines that were defined by Renaissance scientists (Lever, Wheel and axle, Pulley, Inclined plane, Wedge, Screw) See [13]

[3]: You are assuming that everyone uses Java edition. Bedrock edition lacks hardcore.

[4]: Wrong again. The void isn't a dimension. See [14]

[5]: No. It isn't.

--Guy Macon (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: I meant to decline this and make a note that this is disruptive now, but my edit request helper script timed out. I've blocked the IP for disruption here and elsewhere. -- ferret (talk) 17:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft's inner story (theories involved)

I think everything in the game has a (not real) history and I'd like to add theories on it with mine and others. NO USER23 (talk) 01:38, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

@NO USER23: Everything added to this article must be supported by citations of reliable, published sources that state exactly what is added. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to discuss individuals' theories about the game's "inner story". I'm sure there are SubReddits or other sites where unproven theories about the game are discussed. General Ization ^Talk 01:46, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you plz explain to me what the page is for then I'm new to this stuff

And it involves theories from websites such as fandom and my own plus supported with the stuff in the games history

I understand now NO USER23 (talk) 01:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello NO USER23, if you want to add anything to the article page you need to reference appropriate sources. Personal game theories made up by you or other people have no place in the article unless backed by sources. SenatorLEVI 06:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 March 2021

my request is to change "Jens Bergensten" to Jens "Jeb" Bergensten Reeetuscleetus (talk) 13:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

No. His name is Jens Peder Bergensten. See Jens Bergensten. Here is what he calls himself on his LinkedIn page:[15] --Guy Macon (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Jeb is their online monicker, like Markus "Notch" Persson. Although I doubt we need to list nicknames for everyone. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2021

Game modes include 4 types: a survival mode, in which players must acquire resources to build the world and maintain health; a creative mode, where players have unlimited resources. Moreover, there are an adventure mode, which is similar to survival without ability to build and destroy blocks, and spectator mode, which allows you to fly through blocks KastenTop (talk) 07:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. SWinxy (talk) 14:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, like many people who comment on Minecraft, KastenTop assumes that the edition they are running is the only edition. Java edition has spectator mode. Bedrock edition does not. This article is for all Minecraft users. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Should we expand the FAQ section and add an edit notice to this talk page? I'd hope that will reduce the amount of nonsense or unhelpful edit requests, but I have my doubts on whether that would work. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

The game has 126 million users -- many of them children -- and we are getting around one edit request per week. The best thing is to have several people watching this page and to give friendly answers when the edit requests come in. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Mentioning command blocks twice to prove the same point.

Under the section "Gamemodes" under Adventure, it mentions command blocks designed for custom maps. It also mentions this in the "Customization" section, also about custom maps. Is this redundant? Or is it appropriate to keep it mentioned in both sections. Suspicioussandwich (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't say so. Remember, it's possible that somebody just clicks on a section via the table of contents and that ends up being all they read. As long as it's not overexplained twice then it shouldn't be much of an issue. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Add Māori language link

It wouldn’t let me add a page I created on the Māori Wikipedia the links because there was a lock symbol. The page name is Minecraft, the Māori Wikipedia ID is miwiki and the link to the page is here; https://mi.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minecraft&redlink=1# — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.208.18.224 (talk) 01:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The page has been deleted because it was a machine translation, so there's nothing to link at the moment. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 15:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Programming game

There are now several editors who disagree with adding Category:Programming games. Just because there is are certain items in the game that allow players to write their own scripts does not make programming a defining trait of the game. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Add me to the list. Minecraft has simulated electronics enginering with sensors, logic gates, etc. It doesn't simulate computer programming with data storage, program counter, address space, etc. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:26, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

It does, however, literally allow programming, including control statements, loops and storage.  Nixinova   T   C   03:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

And so does a giant pile of transistors, a big spool of wire, and a soldering iron. With a million transistors you can create a 486. Likewise with a million redstone components. And actually, if you have the right tools, you don't need the transistors or the wire. Just a big pile of sand and some copper ore. Anything that simulates computer hardware components can be used to create something that you can program. That doesn't mean that we should put sand or transistor in the category 64-bit computer. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The link Nixinova posted there is not to redstone, which is what I believe you're thinking of, but rather to functions which are commands built into the game, take a look. Leijurv (talk) 07:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft is not a programming game. Martin Kraus thinks that because it has the ability to run scripts written outside the game, means that programming is a defining aspect of Minecraft. Is Wikipedia about programming? It too incorporates aspects of programming! Lets tag it with the programming category then! Programming games (as said in the article he quoted) are qualified by enabling the player to direct otherwise autonomous units, which I have to ask, 'are sure you're in the right place?' To even access the scripting language means to go out of your way to work with it. SWinxy (talk) 03:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

What? He isn't talking about redstone? Every computer program can be controlled by an external program. Heck, I was making programs that stuffed keystrokes into the keyboard buffer under DOS. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, just to explain my rationale: according to the definition of a programming game in the main article of the category (Programming game), the redstone component appeared to be enough to qualify it as a programming game. If you think that that definition is incorrect, I think you should change that article first. And I don't think that every category has to describe a defining trait of the game. (For example, are Category:Split-screen multiplayer games or Category:Video games with stereoscopic 3D graphics or Category:Virtual reality games defining traits of Minecraft?) In any case, thanks to everyone for discussing this, coming to a conclusion, and acting on that conclusion while I was sleeping. Martin Kraus (talk) 06:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

"If you think that that definition is incorrect, I think you should change that article first." It does not matter what another article says, because using that would be WP:SYNTH and not allowed. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I learned a lot about Wikipedia's categorization thanks to this discussion. Frankly, I'm tempted to remove more than half of the categories from the article based on the categorization rules. But then I don't think that those rules are particularly good rules. Martin Kraus (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

To even access the scripting language means to go out of your way to work with it. – You just have to press slash in-game.  Nixinova   T   C   06:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

That's not a scripting language. It is a way to enter commands. [ See https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Commands#List_and_summary_of_commands ]. See any for-next or if-then commands? Not even a goto? --Guy Macon (talk) 12:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it is, and I would know, I mod that site. The link I gave you above, about Functions, are the scripting language that implement these commands.
If statements are done using /execute if <condition> run <command>. 'Gotos' are done using /execute <...> run function <function name>. It doesn't have proper for loop syntax but you can just use recursion.  Nixinova   T   C   22:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, in that context it might be worth noting how much Microsoft is pushing Minecraft as a tool to teach coding with the "Education Edition" and websites like this: https://education.minecraft.net/. Apparently, lots of children already learn elements of coding with Minecraft. Martin Kraus (talk) 22:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure lots of children learned about resource management and architecture from Minecraft too, but that still doesn't really make them defining traits of the game. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

At some point, someone will have to explain to me how Category:Wii U eShop games could possibly be considered a defining characteristic of Minecraft. Martin Kraus (talk) 23:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Minecraft is certainly not a programming game. Among many other features, it does provides the tools to create complex mechanisms that can even simulate computers and such. But to equate that to the game being a "programming game" is a far stretch. For example, other games like Factorio or Terraria have similar tools. In any case, multiple reliable sources are required that explicitly and deliberately describe the game as a "programming game" genre/type and there are no such sources as far as I know. (My talk discussion.) —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah, but minecraft education edition (but not Java or Bedrock editions) is a programming game. See [16] and [17]. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, those sources don't even include the term "programming game", thus, they are irrelevant for the discussion whether Minecraft Education Edition is a "programming game" or not - at least that's one of the things that I learned from this discussion. Martin Kraus (talk) 23:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

As a Minecraft player, I can confirm. Minecraft isn’t necessarily about coding, but Minecraft Education Edition is. So, that category tag isn’t necessary for this page, but the Minecraft Education Edition page should have that category tag. Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.208.18.224 (talk) 02:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I both agree and disagree with this. Minecraft: Java Edition isn't in itself a programming game. HOwever technically writing code is a large part of it. You are technically writing code when you execute a command (i.e when you do something like /effect give @p minecraft_night_vision 1000 10 no), although it has been simplified. All in all it technically depends on what gamemode you are playing in Minecraft. If you are playing Survival mode then programming is basically non-existant. If you are playing Creative mode then programming tends to be a large part of it. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Java Edition Caves & Cliffs mention may require an update

It was recently announced that the upcoming Caves and Cliffs update will be split into two parts. One releasing in Summer 2021 and the other releasing in Holiday 2021. As of 16:00 (ET) April 15 2021, this change is not reflected in the article. The reasons given for this change are: "quality", "technical complexity" and "team health". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disneyx (talk • contribs) 16:08, April 15, 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you. It should be changed to reflect this with a provided source. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Updated with source.  Nixinova   T   C   22:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2021

Can you add a Minecraft icon for users not familiar with the icon itself? Thank you. NonPopularPerson (talk) 18:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sennecaster (What now?) 18:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Copyright is a complicated subject, but the short version is that there's already an identifying cover art image, so there's no fair use reason to have a second one. See WP:NFCC 3a. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 18:48, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit Achievement section

Achievements are called achievements when playing on an Xbox Live account on any platform except PS4. Edit please? MrRobloxDev lgjavajr (talk) 16:04, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 May 2021

Please change "official wiki" to "unofficial wiki" in the "external links" section. In the official Minecraft site, minecraft.net, you can go to the community tab and scroll down. There is a place that says "explore the unofficial wiki". Therefore, the Minecraft Wiki is an unofficial wiki and not an official one. K1401986Talk with me 22:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2021

Please change it to say: "You only can die of hunger in Hard or Hardcore modes." in Game modes --> Survival mode. 2601:300:8100:9880:E443:799E:E36A:C45E (talk) 12:25, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: That seems like a minor, trivial detail. We're supposed to provide a big-picture summary here, so I'm not sure whether that level of description should be included at all. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 12:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

A specific guideline would be at MOS:VG and this is indeed trivial info. There are plenty of other differences between the game modes and this isn't a defining one. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2021: Involving abbreviation for "MC"

MC is often used as an abbreviation for MC. The discontinued Orespawn mod refers to the Minecraft version for the mod as "Orespawn MC". A website called NameMC, a directory for Minecraft players and usernames, literally uses the acronym to stand for Minecraft. Even Minecraft's own website abbreviates bugs as "MC". While I can't directly edit Minecraft due to extended-confirmed permissions to insert it in myself, "MC" is such a common and notable abbreviation for Minecraft, so I suggest the extended-confirmed users who have the privilege to insert such notability do so. InvadingInvader (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC) InvadingInvader (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Johnnie Bob (talk) 21:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I was too vague. I'd like for "MC" to be listed as a common abbreviation in the article; where such is listed I'm not opposed. Wikipedia policy requires me to verify that the abbreviation is in the article in order for the MC (disambiguation) to be able to be listed on its page. Being Minecraft is extended confirmed, I can't do that myself until I reach extended confirmed status (I'm coming close). Based on not only the previous sources but also personal experience, MC is an almost ubiquitous abbreviation. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:IAR. Minecraft should be included in that list. Johnnie Bob, it sounds like you're wikilawyering to prevent it from being added. What's up? SWinxy (talk) 04:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

SWinxy, the requester is grasping at straws here in an effort to try to get Minecraft listed on the MC (disambiguation) page. That isn't the way things work with DAB pages. In fact, it is completely backwards from the way it's supposed to work. We don't edit article pages to make them conform to what we think the DAB page should look like, we edit DAB pages to help people find articles using alternate names. If MC was a notable alternate name for Minecraft, then it would have already been listed as such. The three citations that the requester has submitted to support trying to list MC on the DAB page are invalid. If MC was such a "... common and notable ..." and "... ubiquitous ..." abbreviation for Minecraft then it should be an easy matter to find dozens of high-quality, reliable sources to support that, and, if that turns out to be the case, I certainly would not object to including it as an alternate name in the lead paragraph of the article. AFTER THAT, if the requester wishes to link to Minecraft in the DAB page for MC, I would encourage him to do so. — Johnnie Bob (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2021

Change "after receiving criticism for changing the game's end user license agreement (EULA)" to "after receiving criticism for enforcing the game's end user license agreement (EULA)." This is within the Development section.

The Guardian article that was referenced says, "[t]he grievance many Minecraft fans had was simple: although these terms had always been present in Mojang's Minecraft EULA, they had never been enforced over the three years since the game's launch. Mojang had always fostered a laissez faire sensibility; it had pushed Minecraft as an open platform, freely customisable by both players and server providers. But now it was tightening the leash. And people were angry." (emphasis mine)

I'm unsure how exactly this should be formatted, so, of course, any suggestions are welcome. There was a massive misconception when Mojang started enforcing it that they changed it, but that shouldn't be treated as fact. TechnicusFatuus (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done, and I added more about the EULA part. --Masem (t) 17:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge Minecraft (franchise)#Other Minecraft editions back here

I dont agree with the split of the Pocket Edition, Console Edition and Education Edition sections to the franchise page, they are variants of the base game in exactly the same way as Bedrock Edition. They are not separate games from Java/Bedrock and therefore belong on the main page.  Nixinova   T   C   07:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree, they are practically the same game. Minecraft Earth could go on a franchise page, not pocket edition or console edition. Leijurv (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

For these changes I felt I had to be bold to clean up the page (end goal being relisted as a GA). I get what you mean though, and it's an interesting discussion, but the question here is what scope should Minecraft and Minecraft (franchise) cover? Right now, both Java and Bedrock are near-parity, but are they the same game? Is Education Edition the same game as 'Minecraft'? What is 'Minecraft'???

Minecraft started as the Java Edition, then moved to mobile (not a port, but a remake), then that became Bedrock, which then was spun off to become Education Edition. So, like, are they all the same? Well, no, but also definitely yes? There is a greater difference between Education and Java than there is Bedrock and Java, but does that make it the same game? You can see the ambiguity here. I mean, we could bring some of the editions back here and we should distinguish Bedrock from Java while we're at it. But the page is big still, so what then?

Here's a proposal: we split create a list article List of Minecraft editions or List of editions of Minecraft, having the unimportant information over there. Then in the main article have information about the overall development of Java and Bedrock. Some things from the other editions can stay in, but a lot of it should be separated because I don't think that's in scope. For example, we only need a small bit of information on the release dates for each edition, but not, e.g., physical release details or region releases. Java and Bedrock would get their own sections, with Bedrock housing the editions as they were the precursor to modern-day Bedrock.

I really don't have a good answer, even though I've been playing for just about 9 years. Does anyone else have ideas of what to do? I've been writing this for over an hour trying to think of something solid, but I'm stuck. SWinxy (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

"Minecraft" should cover the base game and all editions; "franchise" should cover the other aspects like other games, MineCon, Lego, etc.  Nixinova   T   C   06:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds right I guess. I moved them back, and will point back the redirects to their current position. I still want to refrain from returning Education Edition, as that feels way more like a spinoff than a part of the main game. SWinxy (talk) 03:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Education is absolutely part of the main game, it is basically just Bedrock Edition with a mod, thats it.  Nixinova   T   C   20:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2021

There is now more than one composer for minecraft, Lena Raine made music for the nether update. 35.134.9.89 (talk) 04:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

 Already done Lena Raine is already mentioned in the #Music section, as well as in the main article, Music of Minecraft. SWinxy (talk) 05:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

The note in the infobox is enough, as minor/guest composers are supposed to be omitted there. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Caves & Cliffs Part II naming

Mojang stylizes Caves & Cliffs Part I with roman numerals, and they have named it as such. However, it's yet to be revealed whether or not Part II will follow the roman numeral scheme. I'm unfamiliar with the rules about this type of stuff; how should we go about the naming scheme? 100.2.137.190 (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Assume they'll be consistent until they prove otherwise.  Nixinova   T   C   20:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Caves and Cliffs (Minecraft update) into Minecraft

Wikipedia is not WP:NOTCHANGELOG and per WP:VGSCOPE of excessive detail and WP:ROUTINE coverage of game updates. Changes in gameplay can simply be added to Minecraft's gameplay and there's no need to distinguish when it was added. A paragraph can be dedicated to the reception of the update along all the others. Similarly, a few sentences can go into development history along all the other updates. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:03, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Delete. I don't think anything there is worth being added to the article. What's already here is quite slim (probably per WP:VGSCOPE #10), and could just be modified to briefly mention the split. Here's what it currently has on updates (in the development section):

Since the first full release of Minecraft, dubbed the "Adventure Update", the game has been continuously updated with many major updates, available for free to users who have already purchased the game. The most recent major update was the "Nether Update", which overhauled the Nether dimension, adding new biomes and mobs. It was released on 23 June 2020. The next planned update, "Caves & Cliffs", is set to be released in two parts in the latter half of 2021, and will expand the game's underground biomes with more types of blocks and mobs and revamp mountainous world generation.

Adding anything other than a side note would be a burden on the paragraph. SWinxy (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete. May be useful to list a couple of major updates and their changes in a paragraph but this article is unnecessary.  Nixinova   T   C   23:23, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per Nixinova. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete Redirect per below, just a small content patch, nothing worthy of its own article. ValarianB (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per above, but it does not hurt to have Caves and Cliffs redirect to the appropriate section here. --Masem (t) 14:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
• Redirect Noting that this discussion cannot result in a delete. That is a matter for AfD or (later) RfD. But otherwise I broadly agree with the merger/redirect scenario, this should not be an independent page. -- ferret (talk) 14:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

The Modes

You said there are two modes. There is actually two more modes. Adventure Mode, where you can't place and break blocks, and a Java Edition mode called Hardcore Mode where you have one live and if you die your world gets deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.175.220 (talk • contribs)

All 5 modes are listed in Minecraft#Game_modes. The lead paragraph only mentions the two more-popular ones most covered by sources. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

New Update 1.19

Someone pls add 1.19 it will be released in 2022. Proof: https://minecraftfanon.fandom.com/wiki/1.19_Nether_and_End_Update#:~:text=After%20the%20Reality%20and%20Diversity,released%20in%20July%2018%2C%202022.

Fandom, formerly Wikia, is not a reliable source, as anyone can edit it. ValarianB (talk) 11:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

That isn't even the Official Minecraft Wiki on Fandom (which doesn't even mention 1.19 anywhere on the site), it's something called "minecraftfanon", which seems fairly new. No idea what that wiki is supposed to be for, or why it's there. 1.19 is vaporware at this point. ~Anachronist (talk) 11:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

From what I can tell, that wiki is partly a fanfiction hub and partly for fan ideas for content additions. Ionmars10 (talk) 16:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I hate that wiki, it always confuses noobs in google.  Nixinova   T   C   19:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes BCP 2021 (talk) 14:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

XD same thing for wikipedia, its not a reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:8900:55FC:6535:F30C:E349:E677 (talk) 21:38, September 1, 2021 (UTC)

This is wrong

Hardcore mode is not a gamemode, it is a difficulty. Either add a section on difficulties, or remove hardcore mode from the gamemode section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:8900:55fc:78b9:c499:9621:e584 (talk • contribs) 18:20, September 9, 2021 (UTC)

The cited source calls it a "game mode". Meters (talk) 18:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

When you create a new Minecraft world and choose the difficulty, Hardcore mode appears as a difficulty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:8900:55fc:78b9:c499:9621:e584 (talk • contribs) 18:43, September 9, 2021 (UTC)

I don't know whether you bothered fact checking your source, but Hardcore mode is a difficulty, not a gamemode. You can check Minecraft and see for yourself. You have two options:

1. Delete Hardcore mode from the article

2. Add a new section to the article, called "difficulties" peaceful, normal, hard, and hardcore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:8900:55fc:b804:4f2d:db82:d2ce (talk • contribs) 18:51, September 9, 2021 (UTC)

1. Please sign your talk page posts.
2. Please indent talk page replies.
3. Don't use edit summaries such as "yeet" if you want to be taken seriously.
4. Please don't harass users about this on their talk pages.
5. Again, the cited source calls it a game mode, and it seems to me that a setting that is includes permadeath is not just a difficulty setting. Wait and see if there is consensus to make the change. Meters (talk) 18:55, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

• Minecraft's own docs call them "game modes." [18] OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:57, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I dont know how many times I have to say this, THE GAME ITSELF CLASSIFIES HARCORE AS A DIFFICULTY, so please fix this. If not, then can you please link the source where it classifies hardcore as a gamemode? 2603:8081:8900:55FC:C1B5:341D:4A98:DE0F (talk) 21:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC) there i signed it

How about we check Minecraft JE then. When you create a new Minecraft world, you choose the game mode and the three options are: Survival, Hardcore, Creative. Choosing Hardcore locks the difficulty on Hard. There is no "hardcore" difficulty setting that you could choose for other two modes, only Peaceful, Easy, Normal and Hard. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Did you (IP) read the responses that are already here before asking for links? Ohnoitsjamie had already linked the portion of MineCraft's website where they refer to Hardcore as a mode: "Be careful when playing in Hardcore mode as once you die, you will not be able to access your world again." Meters (talk) 21:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Some confusion might stem from the fact that during previous versions of the game, the difficulty displayed in the pause menu was actually labeled "Hardcore," though functionally identical to Hard, apart from permadeath. This is, however, no longer present in the game, and the fact remains that it is a mode, not a difficulty. Hi529 (talk) 22:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2021

Rainyhiraeth (talk) 00:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

minecraft is 12 years old

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2021

Please can i edit and add about minecraft upates please? Cooldjdjjjj (talk) 07:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Don't add edit requests that already marked as having been answered. And don't bother asking for permissions. No-one is going to give a new vandalism-only account permissions. Meters (talk) 08:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2021

change notch's blog url that is dead with the webarchive when possible https://web.archive.org/web/20150716115516/http://notch.tumblr.com:80/post/109000107/minecraft-0-0-11a-for-public-consumption Iameditingtoo (talk) 22:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done SWinxy (talk) 00:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

suggestion

Can a Wikipedia user who's allowed to edit please put a link in to the official Minecraft wiki on Fandom? It might help people looking for in-depth info on various elements of the game.AAEexecutive (talk) 16:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

It is already included at Minecraft#External links as per WP:VG/EL. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:38, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, ok. AAEexecutive (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2021

Requesting that the types of tools and armor be listed including special items. Also include things like the jeb_ easter egg MCBOiS1210 (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Articles should not include indiscriminate trivia or game cruft.  Nixinova   T   C   04:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Release date for caves and cliffs part II

New article says release date is November 30th. 182.255.43.49 (talk) 04:42, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2021 (2)

Requesting to add herobrine myth and possibly any verifiable minecraft witnessed creepypastas MCBOiS1210 (talk) 16:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2021

Adding C++ to the programing languages Minecraft is made from. The wikiyeet (talk) 13:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

This is already mentioned in Minecraft § Minecraft: Pocket Edition ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Update Composer list

Add in Lena Raine and Kumi Tanioka after the release of 1.18 on November 30th — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nexxl (talk • contribs) 20:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Security issue

Hello! So in this video by Youtuber xisumavoid he is going over the changes in version 1.18.1 and he makes mention of a security issue affecting version from at least 1.12. Have any reliable sources mentioned this yet? It appears that Mojang themselves have released more information on the issue here ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

There's a section dedicated to this at Log4j. However I'm not sure if any independent sources have talked in detail about its relation to Minecraft. Ionmars10 (talk) 02:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Wired: For example, Microsoft-owned Minecraft on Friday posted detailed instructions for how players of the game's Java version should patch their systems..., PCMAG: The vulnerability is said to be particularly easy to exploit in Minecraft servers, too, with some proof-of-concept attacks using nothing more than the in-game chat. and Ars Technica: Minecraft is the first, but certainly not the last, app known to be affected.. Maybe worth a sentence in Minecraft server, as it seems to exclusively affect the server? — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

It affects both the server and client; the point made in that article is that it is possible to exploit it while connected to a server. By the way, there's a dedicated article now: Log4Shell. I'm not sure if it's noteworthy enough for the Minecraft article because it's just one event, but if it does get included it should be short and link to Log4Shell for further info. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

All of the initial stories headlined the Minecraft aspect of the vulnerability, I assume as Mojang were very early to announce it.  Nixinova   T   C   20:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

1 trillion views on YouTube

I think it's a good idea for someone to add that Minecraft just crossed 1 trillion views on YouTube. YouTube already revealed the change on the home page and banner, people are starting to upload about it, and there are several articles about it - no doubt there's way more attention of this is coming in the following days. This is quite a "Cultural impact".

I suggest adding it after "In 2019, YouTube again popularized Minecraft." (or something) with a reference or two to at least the main YT video or official page from YT. How does that sound? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:9600:52C0:6594:3843:DA62:C33E (talk) 05:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I found a third-party article affirming this and added it. --Masem (t) 06:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

k, epic ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:9600:52C0:6594:3843:DA62:C33E (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Wow... 1 trillion views. That certainly does show how much of a cultural impact the game has. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Add Lena Raine to composer list

As of now, the page shows only C418 as Minecraft's composer. Since then, Lena has taken over as the main musical artist of the game. She should be in there as well. 2001:56A:7C4B:6100:7072:3A46:B85D:75E3 (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! I agree that Lena Raine should be added (don't know if she's completely taken over the music stuff for the game from C418 yet), however it would need a reliable source stating that info.Lena Raine is actually already in the composer list in a footnote reference along with some others. She might be put under C418 and not just in a footnote reference if she is proved to have taken over all of the music stuff in the game from C418. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Useless

"Herobrine" is an urban legend associated with Minecraft, who first appeared as a single image on 4chan's /v/ board. According to rumors, Herobrine appears in players' worlds and builds strange constructions.[315] However, Mojang has confirmed that Herobrine has never existed in Minecraft, and there are no plans to add Herobrine.[316].

The above message is completely random and useless in this article. Either remove it or make a new section for it. If anyone thinks it belongs here, it should not go under "cultural impact". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:8900:55FC:6D64:785F:B61:210A (talk) 02:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I personally think that given the huge amount of references to Herobrine in pop culture, it is certainly at least worth a mention in this article. I agree though that its current position is quite awkward, I guess it should be either moved to a subsection about pop culture references, or maybe moved to development given that it keeps coming back in patch notes. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2022

Koalas Are Cool 12467 (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Please Change The Creative Mode Section To Say,Players Have Used Creative Mode To Build Amazing Things.

 Not done: No need for this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

To do list source request?

Is it possible to add to the page the appropriate aspects of this article https://openrepository.aut.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10292/12787/MatthewsB.pdf

One thing the article mentions is texture packs. It seems that it may make sense to add more information about the at least 50,000ish user generated texture (PMC/Curse Forge) packs would make sense, including their relationship to the Optifine Mod, which allows them to have more advanced capabilities.--User1042 (talk) 12:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2022

I would like to add on the rarest world ever. So, there was a pink sheep, netherite, BABY pink sheep and a sharpness 1 power 2, Mending respiration book, ThisIsValid (talk) 18:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:50, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't matter if there are reliable sources. Like the above, this is something that's too in-universe to be relevant to the article. It's actually closer to random trivia than encyclopedic content which is better suited for a Fandom wiki. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I simply used a template response for this. It obviously isn't noteworthy, but at the least, they would need to provide reliable sources to prove it is. However, I could've probably chosen a better response. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 20:35, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes that is true. I know that with the semi-protected edit helper tool I can choose a templated response or a custom response that allows me to mark it as not done with custome text. And also, there are probably millions and millions of super rare seeds in Minecraft. That to me make it not all that notable if a new rare seed can be discovered quickly (and also there's the issue of what is being defined as "rare"). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

My response would just be to remove it for nonsense. SWinxy (talk) 17:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2022

This page could be expanded with lists for mobs, blocks, and maybe even popular Minecrafters. The point is, Minecraft is a very popular videogame with a lot of content and community culture. This page simply doesn't fully explain what Minecraft is in detail (It doesn't even explain how to player plays the game or advances). This page could be expanded with many things such as:

List of mobs Explanation of gameplay List of advancements List of enchantments List of curses List of Minecrafters (i.e Dream, Grian, MumboJumbo) List of blocks List of items List of potions

And much, much more Cealestialis (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done This isn't a fansite or walkthrough. WP:FANSITE, WP:NOTGUIDE are relevant. PRAXIDICAE💕 18:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I know this is not a fandom or a tutorial, I just think that there should be sections that describe the game better. Mobs for example should have their own section (The creeper already has it's own page, we need to do this for other mobs). Also the updates could be explained more in depth as well (What was added/subtracted). It wouldn't be a fan page or a guide, rather it would explain what the game is better. For pokemon for example, all of the pokemon are listed on the page. Why can't we do this for minecraft mobs? I seriously think that this article lacks information that is vital to the understanding of what it is and could be expanded. Cealestialis (talk) 14:25, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cealestialis: Because that's not what an Encyclopedia is for. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

A encyclopedia is a book, set of books, optical disc, mobile device, or online informational resource containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, ALL ASPECTS OF ONE SUBJECT. let me repeat ALL ASPECTS. this is the literal definition. All that I am saying is that this article does not cover all aspects of Minecraft. And like I said: there is already a page for the Creeper mob, so there should be a page for all of the other mobs (You know, to cover ALL ASPECTS of Minecraft). Cealestialis (talk) 14:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cealestialis: I think you should read the guidelines linked. Information like that would be excessive and too in-universe to be relevant. Also see WP:ENC. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying. Sorry, I sort of have a bias towards Minecraft and want to see it expanded and described in more detail. But you are right, it would be excessive to cover every aspect of Minecraft, simply because it is such a popular game with many intricacies. It would be better to add more in-universe details to fan pages and guides. Cealestialis (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cealestialis: Glad you understand. I also enjoy Minecraft and sometimes think there could be more to this page, but I understand that Wikipedia has policies and guidelines limiting what can be included. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Maybe edit the fandom wikis for Minecraft and HermitcraftUser1042 (talk) 22:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2022

Change "May 2009" to "17 May 2009". Macaroon Nuggets (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

This would make the date slightly more specific. Macaroon Nuggets (talk) 18:46, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2022 (2)

Add "Lena Raine" to list of composers of Minecraft's music along with "C418."

As of Minecraft update 1.13, music composed by Lena Raine has been added to the game. Macaroon Nuggets (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

 Already done She's already there in an extended footnote. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit notice

Can we get a consensus to put an edit notice here on this talk page to hopefully help quell the WP:NOTFORUM and vandalism problem happening here quite a bit? There was a similar edit notice implemented at Talk:SCP Foundation (which also gets a lot of NOTFORUM comments) recently and it can be seen at Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:SCP Foundation. wizzito | say hello! 01:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Wizzito: I agree that might be helpful. I just reverted a completely unconstructive and non-sense edit from this talk page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree. User1042 (talk) 22:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Not adding any specific YouTube stuff, but still acknowledging the significance of Minecraft being the most popular video game on YouTube and having over 1 trillion views.

Perhaps the article should, not adding any specific YouTube stuff, but still acknowledging the significant scale of Minecraft's presence on YouTube. To put 1 Trillion views into context, that is the equivalent of each person watching more than 125 videos about Minecraft. User1042 (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't really see this as important. The best-selling game of all time should also correlate among the most viewed on YouTube. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:37, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, this is already in the Franchise section. It shouldn't be here too-it's irrelevant. User1042 (talk) 22:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Development section seems to have information about arbitrary updates

There is information in the article under the development section for the 1.18 and 1.19 updates, but not for 1.3 which is more significant from a developmental point of view (it's when significant technical changes were made to how the client and server software fundamentally function) and also in terms of content (it made fundamental changes to enchanting that are still around to this day, added core building blocks such as wood slabs and stairs, added end chests that are now a core part of the end game, and added villager trading, which exists to this day as a very important way of gathering recourses). This is not a specific solution, but rather an example of the problem in the title.

Update: I tried to fix this issue. User1042 (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Potential Addition to the Applications Section

Minecraft is being used for biological modeling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User1042 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2022

add Samuel Åberg as a composer to the h note

source: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/the-sound-scary Brenbro (talk) 20:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

(via Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Edit)

 Done Best regards, Vukky ^Talk_Guestbook 15:53, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Criticisms Section?

Given the long history of Minecraft, I think that it is necessary to include some criticisms that the game and its developers have had since the release. I specifically am referring to criticisms of Minecraft specifically (including but not limited to the 1.9 Combat Update and community outrage surrounding its release, the Java Version 1.19.1 chat moderation and reporting features, unresolved bugs in the Bedrock Edition) and not larger phenomenons like video game addictions or negative PR targeted towards influential people like Notch or YouTuber drama. I'd like to receive consensus from the Wikipedia community before I work on an addition to the article; I understand Wikipedia is not Drama Alert, but when there is notable outrage from a populace central to a topic, such outrage should be appropriately included. InvadingInvader (talk) 20:25, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

1.9 and 1.19, the EULA, and the purchasing by Microsoft are likely to be featured in RSs. This probably goes under the 'reception' section. SWinxy (talk) 20:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks for your input! InvadingInvader (talk) 23:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Controversies Section

I'd like to pose the question to y'all on whether to include the controversial 1.9 combat update in the new Controversies section. I'm personally stuck between putting it in because there are reliable secondary sources covering 1.9, but a part of me feels that the section should be reserved for criticisms of the Mojang and Microsoft more so related to the EULA stuff and the player reporting feature. I originally was thinking of this when I saw @X-Editor place 1.9-related material into Reception. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should be there. I caution against giving undue weight. SWinxy (talk) 03:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

All this seems to be is generalized bitching about Microsoft exerting more control over an IP that they own, there's nothing really "controversial" to be had here. Zaathras (talk) 13:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2022

I created Category:Video games designed by Markus Persson and Template:Markus Persson and would like to add them to the article. OsloKristianiaKøbenhavn (talk) 20:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

No. It appears to be a rather pointless category with only 2 entries, and I will suggest it be deleted shortly. Zaathras (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2022

Java Edition chat reporting section needs to be updated

"the update has been postponed for Java Edition players" needs to be updated to reflect the official release https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-java-edition-1-19-1

that is all Klmlk (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request: Remove Terraria from "clones" section

While Terraria and Minecraft have superficial similarities, such as a pixelated art style, use of blocks, and the collection of resources being a part of gameplay, I don't believe it is accurate to describe the former as a "clone" of the latter. Terraria is a very different game to Minecraft in terms of gameplay, scope, and overall experience, especially when compared to the other games mentioned in the section. For example, defeating bosses is integral to Terraria's progression system, with different tiers of equipment being gated behind different bosses, as opposed to Minecraft in which one can obtain the most powerful and useful equipment without defeating any of the game's bosses. While it would be ridiculous to claim that the developers of Terraria took no inspiration from Minecraft whatsoever, claiming that it is a Minecraft clone is a reductive and misinformed way to describe the relationship between the two games. The way that section of the article is currently written implies Terraria to be a low-effort, derivative cash grab, which anyone familiar with the game can attest that it is not. CB915 (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

This article doesn't describe Terraria as a clone, it says that others have described it that way, and that is a factual statement. The sentence in which Terraria is mentioned is cited to a reliable source (Ars Technica) that clearly refers to it as being labeled a clone, which is in line with what the Wikipedia article says. The Ars Technica piece does not itself call Terraria a clone, instead quoting the creators of Terraria as well as the creator of Minecraft to demonstrate that Minecraft was an inspiration for Terraria.

I disagree that Terraria should be removed from the sentence in which it appears. However, the wording could be improved. Do you have a suggestion? ~Anachronist (talk) 05:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

The first two sentences are the only ones I think need rewording, perhaps they could be changed to something along the lines of:

Minecraft has served as an inspiration for many other games, such as Ace of Spades, CastleMiner, CraftWorld, FortressCraft, Terraria, and Total Miner. Some, such as FortressCraft, are generally regarded as more blatantly derivative of Minecraft, as opposed to others, such as Terraria, that are generally regarded as being more original. Regardless, many have described these games, and others like them, as being "clones". David Frampton...

I'm sure it could be worded better, but I think something like this would make the intended message more clear.

Thank you for taking a look at this. Also, I'm sorry if I sounded angry and/or accusatory in my first post. That wasn't my intention, but upon rereading, it definitely comes across that way. CB915 (talk) 09:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

The issue is that you are proposing wording that does not follow the sources. To reword it that way, we need to correctly attribute inline which sources made this distinction between "being more original" and "blatantly derivative". A slight wording change is fine, but this completely changes the meaning. Especially since reliable sources literally do "describe [it] as being [a] "clone"" regardless of it being accurate to justified. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

First: The same source that is currently cited is where I get the distinction between "more original" and "blatantly derivative". The creator of Minecraft has a long quote at the end of the Ars Technica in which he says, essentially, that Terraria is far more original, while FortressCraft is more derivative. I agree that the wording could definitely improve, but it is important that something like it be included, because omitting it would imply that all of the mentioned games are equally as derivative as each other, when the cited source says otherwise.

Second: No, my reword does not change the meaning of that section of the article. Like the first person who responded to my post said, the Ars Technica article does not call Terraria a clone, but instead factually states that some have labeled it as one. That is the same thing the Wikipedia article says, albeit worded far more poorly. The way I've changed it makes that message more clear. CB915 (talk) 20:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Jens Bergensten still a game designer?

The Minecraft official site says that Bergensten is currently the chief creative director of Mojang studio. — Askhadulin (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I think that would constitute as "game designer" since he oversees a lot of the creative control going into Minecraft. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

InvadingInvader, you have a reliable source that confirms this? — Askhadulin (talk) 11:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

HighsNobiety in its interview with Bergensten lists him as the lead designer of Minecraft InvadingInvader (talk) 14:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

The interview was published five years ago. Do you have a recent source? — Askhadulin (talk) 04:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

SportsKeeda and WePC also list him as the designer and not dev. Ultimately, you could list him as this: "Bergensten is a Swedish game designer who is the lead creative director of Mojang studio" InvadingInvader (talk) 06:07, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2022

Change ”Minecraft” to ”Minecraft: Java and Bedrock Edition” Am pro god (talk) 08:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

 Declined - this page is about Minecraft as a whole, not a certain edition of it. MadGuy7023 (talk) 08:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

And also there's more than just Java and Bedrock. There's Legacy Console edition (Wii U, Xbox 360...), 3DS edition, Education edition.... point is, there's not just Minecraft Java Edition and Minecraft Bedrock Edition, so if we were to list each individual version it would go on for a while. And the article isn't just about the games but the Minecraft franchise as a whole. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:10, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Bedrock Edition and Windows 10/11 Edition definitions

If you read most of the "Other PC versions" section reader is clearly presented with 2 separated terms "Bedrock Edition" and separately defined "Minecraft for Windows" "Windows 10 Edition"

Indeed official definitions are confusing too, but would not it be better to at least clarify that these two terms are same product? Originally when user would purchase Minecraft for Windows, they'd receive standard copy of "Bedrock Edition" (way more commonly understood term in actual players)

And yet this separation maybe loses further purpose as article already mentions that they recently made a change that separates "Windows Edition" from Bedrock and even Java even less.

Opinions? Decided to suggest this as most common Minecraft "wiki" does not make this separation either. Nika1010 (talk) 07:36, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

A recent Minecraft update includes the warden and many other new mobs. Bobby Bobby 678 (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: WP:NOTCHANGELOG. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement In Minecraft Marketplace

Is the flagrant, rampant copyright infringement occurring in the Minecraft marketplace worth adding to the controversies section? This is in the same vane as the chat reporting and migration issues and seems worth mentioning if enough good sources can be found, which may be impossible. User1042 (talk) 17:47, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

References

Needs reliable sources. None of those used here are usable. Zaathras (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

1 is just about the rebranding about a texture pack, 2 and 3 are primary, and 4-7 are YouTube. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see any good sources. This isn't going to happen. User1042 (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Size of Minecraft world's

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I was just wondering why my recent edits stating that Minecraft worlds were not infinite were reverted. Can someone please state why? Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Quinnerwinner12: Taken from Aoidh's edit summary "It is virtually infinite with some caveats, and your numbers are specific to a particular version of the game, not the game itself as a whole" ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

That's why in my next edit it stated that my numbers were specific to Java and stated that Bedrock had an unknown amount of area. Can you tell me why that was reverted? Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 16:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Quinnerwinner12: Same reason. The worlds are virtually infinite (heck they actually go past what you say, it's just that the world basically starts falling apart as you approach the limit). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

You are correct with saying it's infinite and it starts falling apart as you approach the limit, but that's in Bedrock. I stated that in Java, the same doesn't apply and that it actually is 60,000,000x60,000,000 blocks in world generation and there is a world border. Here's an image https://external-preview.redd.it/Gkp17fbf0sxHLpC_S6qWGNgrTK5JiDaxWOFBZK4Me3s.png?auto=webp&s=7451c625e233385f9a401b79bf3bd90d5f99bb08 Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 17:08, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Quinnerwinner12: No... it's the same in Java. That's the entire reason the world border exists. In older versions before the world border, players could go well past 60 million blocks and continue to the point of the 32-bit integer limit, at which point the world just breaks. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok then, this discussion has achieved its consensus Quinnerwinner12 (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022

There is a Minecraft marketplace where you can improve your Minecraft world by buying mods Bobby Bobby 678 (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 14:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

This information is already present on the Minecraft Modding page. Four different launchers are mentioned. User1042 (talk) 11:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2022

Add or replace something that says there are 36 item slots Willowwoods45 (talk) 07:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Recoil (talk) 11:39, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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Remove Hardcore mode from the gamemodes section.

It is in fact, a difficulty, not a gamemode. People call it hardcore "mode" but it is not, as it is listed under the difficulty tab in the world creation screen. 2603:8081:8900:55FC:89:35C7:EB3C:E314 (talk) 15:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Technically still a gamemode. Just not in the usual sense. Hardcore is just a gamemode for Hard mode where if you die the world's gone. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

TECHNICALLY it is a difficulty, and not a gamemode. Again, because it is under difficultys in the actual game, and because the actual gameplay is harder than in normal mode, which means when you switch to it, you are changing the difficulty. Would you consider a switch from easy to normal difficulty changing the gamemode?

No because there are general changes to the actual difficulty. Hardcore is just hard mode but it's one life. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, one could argue that having one life does increase the difficulty of beating the game and such, but you probably won't be convinced, so in the words of a wise man "Are you serious right neow bro" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:8900:55FC:89:35C7:EB3C:E314 (talk) 15:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not gonna continue arguing with you over this. If others decide it should be included in the difficulty section then fine. BUt for now I'm sticking with the status quo. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, hardcore is a game game mode because reliable sources call it that and we follow reliable sources, so that's what we call it. Secondly, regarding "it is listed under the difficulty tab" -- no, it is not. The game (Java 1.19.2) asks you to select the game mode between "Survival", "Creative", and "Hardcore". Meanwhile, the difficulty option is a separate selection with "Peaceful", "Easy", "Normal" and "Hard". The only connection is that when selecting the "Hardcode" game mode, the difficulty is locked to "Hard". But they are clearly intended to be separate (regardless of how it is implemented internally). —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Italicization and capitalization

The Minecraft wiki's style guide does not agree with some of the content on this page, such as the inconsistent italicization of Java Edition and Bedrock Edition. Additionally under the style guide, game modes are capitalized, and boss names are not (such as "the wither", and "ender dragon"). I don't know where Minecraft Wiki's style ends and Wikipedia's style begins, and also I can't edit this page yet. - CrowdingFaun624 (talk) 06:09, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia style guide is WP:MOS. Wikipedia does not use other style guides (although it is loosely based on some common English style guides). So it's not really relevant what style another Wikipedia uses, especially for a specific game. Wikipedia needs to stay consistent across all pages. What if Terraria style guide says something different? Now we have two different article styles and that's worse than having our own in-house style.

Specifically about Bedrock Edition not being italicized, that's just a mistake. A lot of different people have edited this popular article over many years, so there are some issues. I fixed the obvious edition italic problems.

Specifically about game modes and boss names, that's basically an editorial decision based on MOS:CAPS and MOS:VG. Things like game modes are common names and can appear in many games, so they are not capitalized. While names of things like bosses and dimensions are unique proper names, so they are capitalized. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

okay thanks! - CrowdingFaun624 (talk) 17:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

168.28.186.188 (talk) 16:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Minecraft can be found on the Xbox, PlayStation, the ninth switch, and moble devices

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Makes perfect sense to me. But what they're wanting is already in the article in the infobox. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2022

To change 300 million Chinese players to 500 million, found in multiple sources dated in October 2021. 47.186.54.46 (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2022

{edit pls} Lstanley563 (talk) 14:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Alduin2000 (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Minecraft Redstone

There should be a Minecraft redstone page if so many people are interested in it TomHuxtable (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Can you be specific as to what you would want such an article to contain? Any Wikipedia article has to be the result of sources. Good references for this are WP:NOT and WP:VG/CONTENT. It says "A rule of thumb if unsure: if the content only has value to players, it is unsuitable. Video game articles should be comprehensive and readable to non-gamers." So, what do non-gamers, non-players, need to know about redstone?

If it's sourced, we can write it, if not, we have nothing to work with. It's clear there are dozens of books about redstone, but I can't find one that isn't a how-to. We wouldn't make any articles that simply explain how to do redstone, or catalog all the features. There's already multiple wikis that have that well covered. If you have on hand now a number of good sources about redstone on topics other than how it works, how to do it, what the features are, when they were introduced, what future features might come, then you could begin expanding a section about it here in this article. I mean covering the effects redstone has had on the world at large, influencing other media, affecting society, art, criticism. The culture of redstone experts. Every topic except Minecraft redstone in-game. The in-game aspects of it as far as Wikipedia is concerned only need to be briefly summarized so a general reader gets a basic idea of what it is and what its significance is. If a section in this article about redstone grows so large due to the copious amounts of non-how-to sources that have been published, then spawning a sub-article on redstone would make sense. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

1.20 coming up

We should add content about the 1.20 content we know about so far. All my previous edits have been reverted 2600:1003:B121:CB90:D531:7D64:F18C:214B (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes because that is a direct violation of WP:NOTCHANGELOG. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Eating in peaceful mode

@ArtfulSinger95 hey! you reverted my edit with the argument it is original research. Thing is, the given references do not mention that exception (or did I miss that?) So I wonder if the text, that I removed, isn't in fact original research, and would need to be removed? Cheers! --denny vrandečić (talk) 23:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you have any references that support you tho? not just non-disagree ArtfulSinger95 (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

If you have references then feel free to revert me. If you dont then we can just take that part out no big deal ArtfulSinger95 (talk) 01:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Your daughter may be playing a modded peaceful mode as from my experience hunger is disabled in peaceful. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Same ArtfulSinger95 (talk) 19:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

@ArtfulSinger95:, @Blaze Wolf: Thank you for checking and the considerations. Googling confirms your statements, but it is in Reddit threads and forum discussions, so not particularly quotable. Thank you for keeping a keen eye on the article! --denny vrandečić (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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English dialect used in this article

What justification is there to use American English for this article? Sweden and Swedes predominantly use British English when speaking English. Asperthrow (talk) 01:09, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Minecraft has been owned and operated by Microsoft 3x longer than it was run by Mojang independently. American company, American English. Zaathras (talk) 03:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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Draft: List of creatures in Minecraft

I am creating an article, which may be of interest to the editors of this article. It is currently in draftspace, Draft: List of creatures in Minecraft. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 13:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't, it will almost certainly be deleted. The Wikipedia is generally not suitable for fictional elements that no real-world relevance or notability. Zaathras (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Zaathras: there are already plenty of articles about fictional elements, so as precedent, this article is notable. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 18:47, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to create new articles. Masem (t) 19:00, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Masem: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS was not the reason I created the article. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 19:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

You will have to demonstrate how a group of fictional Minecraft elements meets the notability guidelines. At present, Creeper (Minecraft) is the only one that exists, because it has seen coverage in reliable sources. The rest are extremely unlikely to pass. Also, don't ping me. Zaathras (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I would not suggest continuing to work on it, as Wikipedia is not a game guide. Lists of creatures are almost always gameguide content and this list does not seem like it's bucking the trend. I can see a "Universe of Minecraft" article perhaps, but it would need to be far different. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:16, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of End Poem into Minecraft

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Coverage of the End Poem appears to somewhat fail WP:SUSTAINED - while there is a 2012 article on the subject, it is an interview of the poem's creator, while most of the reception is sourced to CBR, a content farm webpage. It seems like the type of content to be merged into Minecraft rather than be standalone. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• Regarding SUSTAINED, 6 of the 10 7 of the 11 independent sources cited predate the wave of coverage in December 2022, starting with the Mary Sue article on the poem's release in 2011. And I think you may have misread the citations in the reception section. There's 2 sentences from CBR (which is marginally reliable as of the last RSN discussion), 1 to The Mary Sue, 1 to The Escapist, 1 to The Atlantic, 1 to PC Gamer, and half a sentence each to journals gamevironments and Acta Ludologica, and two sentences to MIT Technology Review. And one of those two CBR sentences is just to say that it agrees with what the journals say, so really only one sentence of original thought attributed to it.
  More broadly, for me the question in a merger is always, what would be WP:DUE at the proposed target article? If we were to merge this to Minecraft—an article already in "probably should be divided" territory—it would only be due to include a few sentences: one or two on its creation and appearance, maybe one on the copyright issue. There would be no room to discuss the artistry of the poem itself, which is discussed in reliable sources. There would be no room to discuss the standalone reception of the poem, which as discussed above has come from multiple reliable sources. There would be no room to discuss any of the nuances of the copyright situation—neither the contractual history nor the more personal side, both of which are discussed in reliable sources. Furthermore, considering WP:NOPAGE, there is very little at the Minecraft article that is needed to understand this article; there is only a single reference to the actual gameplay.
  Given the decade-plus of reliable-source coverage of this poem and the Minecraft article's current size of 9,247 words, I do not think it would be beneficial to merge this article. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 03:16, 4 May 2023 (UTC) ed. 03:50, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Tamzin: The main way I can think of to more sensibly divide the article is Cultural impact of Minecraft, per the other articles in Category:Cultural impact by work, especially Cultural impact of the Guitar Hero series, a pre-existing video game example. That section of the article is outsized compared to most games. It's possible this article could be merged into it as a section. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:23, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

  Further splitting the Minecraft article would be a good idea, but I don't think the End Poem article would neatly merge into a "Cultural impact of" article, given that only part of it is about cultural impact. If anything, you'd wind up with some disjointed bits about "Critic X said this about the End Poem and some people get it tattooed" without much corresponding detail as to what the End Poem is. And I don't think the copyright quasi-dispute is really "cultural impact". -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 03:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

• The widespread coverage of the End Poem going into public domain might be an argument against unsustained coverage. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. It passes WP:GNG. Brachy08 (Talk)(Contribs) 23:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• If anything, I would merge this into Julian Gough. A lot of this information would fit well there. I am neutral on this though, I don't mind this article at all. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Tamzin's reasoning above. Di (they-them) (talk) 04:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose It is clearly notable, with sustained coverage, and would not fit in Minecraft. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Clearly notable and the Minecraft article is too big to merge this with. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Request: change image to original 2011 cover art

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games#Cover art states that "the identifying art should be from the game's original release." The cover artwork used here is of the C++ "Bedrock Edition" version released in 2016. We should use the cover art of the original Java version released in 2011. Zohariko1234 (talk) 08:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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Something to watch and see if there is any mainstream coverage of

Significant malware in numerous mods for both client and server, from sources considered trustworthy: hackmd.io/B46EYzKXSfWSF35DeCZz9A. User1042💬✒️ 11:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Java, LWJGL in lead

Mentioning the programming language in the lead is non-standard and not backed up in the development section. I changed it to Lightweight Java Game Library as used in the infobox but got reverted by @Zaathras:. In any case, it would be standard to mention platforms instead; suggesting "for personal computer (PC) systems" or "primarily compatible with Windows, Linux, and macOS".

See archived download page for reference: "Also, please make sure you're running the Sun JVM..." IgelRM (talk) 22:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

What a website used to say is irrelevant. Looking at the current page, it displays "Mac and Linux are compatible with Java Edition only" when one goes down download. The Wikipedia is written for a general audience, not tech nerds. The layman is far more familiar with simply "Java" than "Lightweight Java Game Library". Zaathras (talk) 03:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

(friendly discussion language is a thing btw). The sentence I'm talking about is "was created". But by your argument, the programming language isn't relevant enough to be mentioned in the lead. Another wording combining programming and platforms is "for Java programming platform compatible personal computers." IgelRM (talk) 14:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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Minecraft Gun Ban

Minecraft has recently started to send C&D (Cease-And-Desist) messages to Minecraft servers, including Hypixel. The topic has escalated into a controversy similar to the Chat-report one. It should be put in here as well since the Chat-report one is here.

-PWM PortugueseWikiMan (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

You would bee to provide a reliable source. Zaathras (talk) 21:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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1.0

Why is 1.0 shown as prerelease? (and how to fix it?)

Java Edition major update release timeline

Pre-release years in red

2009	Pre-Classic
	Classic
	Survival Test
2010	Indev
	Infdev
	Alpha
	Beta
2011	Beta
	Release 1.0: "Adventure Update"
2012	1.1
	1.2
	1.3
	1.4: "Pretty Scary Update"
2013	1.5: "Redstone Update"
	1.6: "Horse Update"
	1.7: "The Update that Changed the World"
2014	1.8: "Bountiful Update"
2015
2016	1.9: "Combat Update"
	1.10: "Frostburn Update"
	1.11: "Exploration Update"
2017	1.12: "World of Color Update"
2018	1.13: "Update Aquatic"
2019	1.14: "Village & Pillage"
	1.15: "Buzzy Bees"
2020	1.16: "Nether Update"
2021	1.17: "Caves & Cliffs: Part I"
	1.18: "Caves & Cliffs: Part II"
2022	1.19: "The Wild Update"
2023	1.20: "Trails & Tales"
2024	1.21: Unnamed update

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Additional citations for verification

Does this section really need additional citations? It's pretty hard to find citations for in-game things, and I already see tons of citations for the first part of the section. I propose removing this tag and everyone else is free to share their opinions here. 2003 LN6 05:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I view this section sort of like a plot summary in an article about a novel. No citations are needed because everything is verifiable in the primary source. I think the tag can be removed, as well as most of the "citation needed" tags on sentences. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Redstone

Shouldn't there be a section on redstone? Tickbeat (talk) 17:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

It is mentioned in the gameplay and education sections of the article, but I don't think it necessarily needs its own section. GSK (talk • edits) 05:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Mob Vote Controversy

Adding a section for the Mob Vote controversy could be useful because it is quite significant. TheT.N.T.BOOM! (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

And for those of us unfamiliar with the controversy, could you provide some details and some reliable sources to back them up? GSK (talk • edits) 14:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Added — Hoangminhle2011 — Shape our Wiki 05:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I just found several sources from reliable sources which can be used for the mob vote section.

Unsure if they are reliable enough: [1], [2]

From confirmed reliable sources: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]

There are more out there I could list but this is for now and also, I wonder if this section could be even expanded into its own article, just an idea. NatwonTSG^TALK 20:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Villages and Villagers

I think villagers and villages are very notable in the game, while helping players gain progress. Villages should also be mentioned because they also have resources inside the houses that are also guarded by iron golems. If piglin bartering is mentioned, why not villager trading? What I'm saying is that villagers and villages should be mentioned more because of their general notability. In a nutcheel (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Regardless as to whether or not either should be included, I agree that villagers and villages are much more significant to the game than piglin bartering, a relatively newer mechanic that is less core to the game. 1101 (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia article on Wikipedia, not the Minecraft Wiki, so it's not notable enough to be included. Furthermore, the fact that Piglins is mentioned in the article is just a small detail, not noteworthy. — Hoangminhle2011 — Shape our Wiki 09:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Proved wrong

Hey @SleepDeprivedGinger,

I looked at the relevant MOS (Mos:Pipestyle) and found that I was wrong on the question of hyperlinks with “s” at the end. Sorry to be bothersome and thanks for keeping me straight!

Have a nice day!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Infobox changes

I've BOLDLY made a number of changes to the infobox recently, since it was getting really hard to read when editing through source and had the risk of becoming unstable. These changes include:

• Replacing the games cover art with the games logo. I've done this because, while there are several different cover arts, and the previous "most recognizable" one (which we generally go with on Wikipedia, if not the original one) had been replaced, the logo has generally been the same since the games initial release in 2011, and is present across most if not all 300 million copies of the game.
• Simplifying the infobox to not list every single developer and composer. The documentation of Template:Infobox video game states to only list the games primary developers and publishers, which in this instance boils down to only Mojang and Xbox Game Studios. So I've compressed all other developers, publishers, and composers into hatnotes in their respective sections.
  • I've also removed citations from the infobox per WP:CITELEAD, and also the fact the infobox was becoming impossible to view in source editing.

Please let me know if anyone disagrees with any of the changes I've made. λ NegativeMP1 23:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

This is NOT the logo of the game, this is the Minecraft (franchise) logo.

The game logo is here Hoangminhle2011 (talk) 02:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't recognize them as different (I thought the main game logo was changed earlier this year?), uploading the individual game logo right now. λ NegativeMP1 03:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I disagree with these changes, I feel the game's cover art is needed... I don't really understand why you've changed it though. Could you explain in greater detail? Squid45 (talk) 12:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

But I agree with the second developer point!! Squid45 (talk) 12:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I think he changed Minecraft's cover art to the game's logo because Minecraft recently changed their cover art, and there were too many choices to see which cover art would be chosen to be included in the article Hoangminhle2011 (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Typically on Wikipedia, articles for video games/albums/movies generally go with either the original release artwork, or the most recognizable. Minecraft doesn't have either of those, since it technically didn't launch with cover art until the Xbox 360 release in 2012 and there's no real contender for the "most recognizable" box art. We could go back to the original Bedrock Edition box art with the caption "Original Bedrock Edition box art" if needed, but I feel like the logo which is common place across all box arts and predates any of them is better. It's also certainly better than the new cover art, which is yet to be included on any physical copies of the game (compared to the other cover arts tens of millions). λ NegativeMP1 17:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

One day, the game logo will change, then what will we use to add to the article? Hoangminhle2011 (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

If Mojang was too scared to change the creeper texture and the diamond ore textures for being "iconic", I don't think they'll ever change their logo. That would be a complete marketing failure, especially since the logo is on all of the other Minecraft games. Even if they for some reason did, I'd still say use the old logo, or maybe use both since I think you could get away with using both (one being the most recent, the other being used on all 300 million+ existing copies of the game) even when taking NFCC into account. λ NegativeMP1 17:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Mojang confirmed that the new art will be used in all future printed physical copies of the game, including the PS5 version and Java/Bedrock codes. Java Edition already has the art present for when you launch the game, alongside the Xbox and soon Switch versions. The last cover art for Bedrock was used for years, and this seems to be a permanent change. Why can't we make an exception for a game as long-standing as Minecraft? Memoryman3 (talk) 18:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that justifies giving an exception any more than it instead gives a reason why it shouldn't be used. Also, upon checking the documentation for Template:Infobox video game further, "The ideal image is an English-language cover or, in the case of an arcade game, a promotional flier. Secondarily, use a logo or foreign-language cover. When cover designs differ between regions, use the cover from the region associated with the game's first English language release, though do not change another English-language version that has been uploaded first." So technically speaking, if we want to argue this scenario to be similar to regional differences, the cover art we should be using would the Xbox 360 release, which is also flawed. I don't really see a good argument for why the new cover art (or any cover art, for that matter) should be used over a logo that has remained relatively the same since 2011, and is used across all versions. λ NegativeMP1 18:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The template was established in 2005, 6 years prior to the release of Minecraft and long before the rise of persistently updated games. I do not see how the Minecraft 360 cover is comparable, as that was a cover made only for that specific version, in contrast to the universal new Minecraft cover design which will be used in all currently maintained versions of the game for all regions (except the heavily altered China Edition). Using the cover art in place of the logo would make the article's presentation more consistent with the vast majority of game articles in this wiki, as logo use is primarily for articles covering game series. Memoryman3 (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The new Minecraft cover design is not "universal" though. As I have stated before, claiming that the new cover art is the primary means of identifying the subject would be a blatant lie since there have yet to be any physical copies spotted that use this new cover art, and hundreds of millions of physical copies out there exist with other cover art. However, the logo is consistent across all of them.

As for your argument about infobox consistency with other articles, you make a good point, but most games that persistently update their cover art do typically use logos despite technically having cover art and physical releases, with such an example being Fortnite and its sub-game Fortnite: Battle Royale. And the infobox template being that old is irrelevant, since documentations like that can be updated and were likely made with a consensus. λ NegativeMP1 19:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia already updates elements such as company logos to reflect current changes, including the Mojang Studios logo. Fortnite is an example of a game that uses seasonal key art; had Epic announced that Fortnite would be getting a permanent cover change I'm sure many here wouldn't object to updating the article, so why the pushback on Minecraft? Memoryman3 (talk) 23:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1 There's already a physical copy for PS5 using the new cover art, so... — Hoangminhle2011 — Shape our Wikipedia 09:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

So we have a new consensus now? I'll make the changes then. Memoryman3 (talk) 00:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Memoryman3 I haven't responded to the messages posted lately in this discussion because they don't take into account my concerns with updating the cover art. I still disagree with the new box art being better than simply using the game logo per the reasons I've already stated, though it's fine. λ NegativeMP1 01:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

So can we add both cover art and logo to the article? Hoangminhle2011 (talk) 02:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Just the cover art should suffice. New Switch physical copies with the updated art have already been spotted in the wild. Memoryman3 (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)