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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2022

Please fit that Afghanistan is not in South Asia but both Central and South Asia with MOST of it in Central Asia. Also, the man from Pakistan who declared himself president cannot officially change the flag. Please put the original red, black, and green flag.

Thank you

- an Afghan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.4.181 (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

The article currently says it's "at the crossroads of Central and South Asia", so I don't understand what you want changed in that respect. As for the flag, this question is asked all the time and is addressed in the #FAQ. Mullah Akhundzada was born in Kandahar, and although the international community has not recognized it, he has changed the flag. [1] ― Tartan357 ^Talk 08:46, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2022

The current official flag is still the black, red and green one. The terrorists have not been legitimised nor acknowledged by any country. Puting up the terrorist flag as the country’s legitimate flag is spreading false information. Also the majority of the ethnic tribes living in this land are central asian tribes. Afghanistan has always been a central asian country. This needs to be corrected in this page as well. Also the offical language of afghanistan is FARSI. The term dari is a political term made up in the 60’s by a pashtun politican to seperate people. That doesn’t change the fact that the language spoken is FARSI/ PERSIAN. Again, spreading false information. EsmaFaqeeri (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: All out-of-process edit requests to change the flag are denied, per the #FAQ. What region Afghanistan is part of is a matter of geography (which we can discuss), not ethno-nationalism (which is just silly). Dari being a political term does not change the fact that it is the common name of Afghanistan's dialect of Persian. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 21:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Notice of RM at Talk:Leader of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan

Please see Talk:Leader of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan#Requested move 1 May 2022. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 02:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2022

The first bit needs to be changed. Afghanistan has always been considered to be a crossroad between the Middle east, Central asia and South asia. Only south asians themselves consider afghanistan to be south asian. Afghans consider themselves to either be middle eastern or Central Asian. Afg.7777 (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done The material you're asking to be changed appears to be reliably sourced. --RegentsPark (comment) 21:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

current leader:

Mullah Abdul Ghani Brader Baheer Pathaan (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

He is only the first deputy prime minister. You will see this at Afghanistan#Development_of_Taliban_government. He ended up much lower in the chain of command than most media outlets were predicting in August. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 22:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Languages

Based on population and the percentage people speak specified language, Persian (Dari) must be first and then followed by pashto and other languages. This is a rule and does not relate to favourism. Zaki Frahmand, 13 May 2022, 22:22 UTC

I think the difference here is that Pashto is definitely an official language of the government, while it is unclear if Persian has that status. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 12:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I follow Afghan news frequently, and I will say yes. Both Persian and Pashto have equal status, same as before. The headers of all official letters published by Taliban are bilingual. The texts are either Pashto or Persian (or Both) depending on the Wilayat. Same with public posters and stuff. Examples here Link The small poster on the right is in Pashto. The one on the left is Persian. The big one behind the guy is in Pashto. BasilLeaf (talk) 17:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

If you have government examples of them consistently using both, then I'd say go for it. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 06:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2022

I request for a change in the flag of Afghanistan. This is Afghanistans flag🇦🇫 and it should be respected, thus it should be put in the picture for Afghanistan and it's inhabitants. 2A01:C23:7587:3C00:A528:CEF8:4D39:C9C1 (talk) 18:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: It was the flag but it looks like the Taliban came up with a new one Cannolis (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Egregious source misrepresentation

WatanWatan2020, who previously inaccurately stated that "Afghanistan has been described as one of the most wealthiest countries in the world," is now insisting ([2], [3], [4]) that "The nation has raised and had maintained one of the most powerful militaries in the world throughout its history, at one point, having the Royal Afghan Air Force infamous for being as large and as capable of its time" (whatever that is supposed to mean), citing Small Wars Journal. Unfortunately, Small Wars Journal does not support a statement even remotely resembling WatanWatan2020's proposed addition.

For starters, the cited article only addresses the Afghan Air Force (formed in the early twentieth century), not any other branches of the Military of Afghanistan, as one might have expected given its title ("The Afghan Air Force: A Harsh Lesson in the Expensive Game of Airpower Reconstruction"). Furthermore, the cited article makes clear that the Afghan Air Force was not a significant regional power during the reign of the Kingdom of Afghanistan—directly contradicting WatanWatan2020's proposed addition—has been historically dependent on foreign assistance, and was reduced to a "feeble" shell of its former self by the Afghan Civil War (1992–1996) following an unprecedented expansion during the era of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (subsidized by the Soviet Union). To wit:

First formed in 1924 by King Amanullah Khan with British and Soviet assistance, the Afghan Air Force would not reach the height of its power until the 1979 Soviet invasion. At one point, the AAF consisted of 400 aircraft and 7,000 active personnel, making it one of the largest air forces in Asia. After the Soviet withdrawal in 1989, the AAF, still heavily dependent on foreign support, lost its leading supplier of parts and maintenance personnel. During the ensuing civil conflict, the warring factions scavenged most AAF assets. By the time the Taliban took over in 1996, many of the remaining aircraft were useless, lacking spare parts and people with the skills to maintain them. In the early days of Operation Enduring Freedom, American airstrikes destroyed what was left of the feeble air force.

Notably, the rest of the cited article is devoted to chronicling a huge litany of problems with the Afghan Air Force under the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. The author concludes that the U.S. totally failed to rebuild and modernize the Afghan Air Force:

Between 2008 and 2021, the United States spent approximately $8 billion to train and equip the Afghan Air Force. Unlike Iraq, where the U.S.-trained Iraqi Air Force is on a slow rise back to regional prominence, the U.S. has little to show for its investment in Afghanistan, even before the Taliban takeover. ... The United States should consider Afghanistan a case study for what not to do in any future attempts to rebuild or modernize partner nation air forces.

Having examined the cited article in context, it is clear that WatanWatan2020's assertion that "[Afghanistan] has raised and had maintained one of the most powerful militaries in the world throughout its history" is inaccurate if not utterly surreal. This user's continued edit warring over such a clear-cut violation of WP:V in a topic area subject to discretionary sanctions is alarming, and calls into question the user's competence and fidelity to Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@TheTimesAreAChanging: There is no claim more obviously false about this country than that it is not a least developed country. This conduct should be reported to WP:ANI, where an uninvolved admin can issue a topic ban under WP:ARBIPA or block the user.

However, their edits regarding language are less problematic. For example, in this edit to Maymana, they removed an Uzbek-language translation which was wrong because Uzbek does not use an Arabic alphabet, though the rationale they gave is somewhat questionable since Uzbek is commonly spoken in this part of the country. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:40, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Their talk page is littered with warnings and block notices. Such edits therefore shouldn't come as a surprise. - LouisAragon (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

You may want to go to ANI now. Language POV-pushing based on OR at Herat (1793–1863). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, with the amount of complaining that is taking place, especially by @TheTimesAreChanging, you can put that effort into using your time to deal with a specific matter that you take issue you with in the paragraph, instead of deleting an entire paragraph with links and sources. I have seen your edit history, and it seems that you go around undoing mass edits because you do not put in the effort to deal with one specific matter. You do not reserve that right, nor the other editor, @LaundryPizza03 of doing such a thing. This is violation of multiple wikipedia rules for you to remove cited information, with links. It is outrageous and uncalled for that you remove cited information, but more than that, an entire paragraph, because you take issue with one sentence in it. That cannot fly. The citation is in there. You can propose how it is to be reworded. The Afghan Air force was indeed one of the largest and most capable air forces of its time, as the source mentions. and by extension the military overall was one of the most equipped and capable, in other words, most powerful. To point out again, one does not have that right to remove an entire paragraph because of an issue with a sentence within it. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I have re-worded that sentence, although it was fine previously as well. This should come as a lesson to the @TheTimesAreChanging that you may not go around and undo mass paragraphs and edits because you are not capable of dealing with one specific sentence. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 03:22, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

"The Afghan Air force was indeed one of the largest and most capable air forces of its time, as the source mentions. and by extension the military overall was one of the most equipped and capable, in other words, most powerful." Again, we've literally gone through the source that you provided, paragraph-by-paragraph, and demonstrated that it does not say anything of the kind. You have not provided a quote from that source (or any other source) to substantiate your claim that "The nation has raised and had maintained one of the most equipped militaries in the world throughout its history," probably because no sources exist for such a ludicrous assertion. Continuing to reinstate this inaccurate content in violation of Wikipedia's sourcing policies in a topic area subject to discretionary sanctions will almost certainly result in a block or ban.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Your ego is quite out of control. Did you go ahead and address the idea that you do not reserve the right to delete an entire paragraph because you take issue with one sentence within it? It is actually a better time to start enforcing your edits, that you take pleasure in of undoing across a mass of pages throughout wikipedia. Do not undo edits with links and citations. You have been doing that across multiple pages that includes sources and citations, just because it seems to you that you do not like it. All other information within the paragraph is accurate also. Why delete all of that as well? It will not go unchecked. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 06:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@TheTimesAreChanging, you will be taken to the administrative board the next time you disrupt this article, undoing citations and links. I see that you are trying to push for an excuse to try and place me into violation by deleting edits, then opening a discussion and then reporting to the board. A formula and tactic that is very obvious. You are in violation of WP rules by deleting such information, and even went and deleted cited information in the etymology section as well. You are avoiding responding to this discussion as well. A report may be in order against you for disruptive and uncalled for edits.WatanWatan2020 (talk) 07:10, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

WatanWatan2020, you are wrong and the sources don't really say what you are saying they do. You are taking it too far. --StellarNerd (talk) 07:32, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2022

Change "The country is currently under the control of the Taliban," to "The country is currently suffering under the tyrannical iron fist of the Taliban regime," Lobx10 (talk) 00:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: See WP:NPOV. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 May 2022

Pashto and Dari are the official languages. CharIieBrownFan (talk) 04:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The article already states Dari and Pashto are the official languages of Afghanistan; bilingualism is very common. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

It's still as of last UN designation a Islamic Republic and NOT Islamic Emirate.

I am not sure why this change was rendered. The current terrorist regime of Taliban forced upon Afghans cannot and should not be able to make changes to the Afghan nation that they hold hostage. 198.84.166.52 (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, random comment here, currently in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and I must say that I am not being held hostage so.. Noorullah21 (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

the afghan flag

the white and black flag is NOT the afghan flag it’s the taliban flag. it is a flag used by the taliban in both afghanistan and pakistan. the flag of afghanistan is the black red and green flag 🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫

please change the flag back to the flag of afghanistan not the flag of the taliban.

this article is about afghanistan not talibanistan.🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫 2601:280:C77E:6800:528:C1FE:577E:2699 (talk) 08:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

We use the Taliban flag because the government recognized by reliable sources is the Taliban. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2022

Under 'Development of the Taliban government'

The last sentence of paragraph 1 of this section states that "[the Taliban's] objections to the former government were religious, and not political", however, the source attached to this states the inverse, that "the Taliban objections to the current state and its laws are political, rather than religious."

This sentence should be changed to be consistent with the source, and should read something along these lines: "Many figures within the Taliban generally agreed that continuation of the 2004 Constitution of Afghanistan may, potentially, be workable as the basis for the new state as they emphasized that the Islamic legitimacy of the constitution was linked to its fair and consistent application, and that it relates to freedom from foreign influence. The Taliban objections to the former government were, therefore, political, rather than religious." GenericUsername4 (talk) 15:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done with slightly different wording to avoid close paraphrasing. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  14:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 June 2022

Priban10 (talk) 16:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

India has a disputed border with Afghanistan as well but Pakistan and China claim it as well.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2022

At the end of the third paragraph, it is stated "the country fares much worse in terms of per-capita GDP (PPP), ranking 169th out of 186 countriesas of 2018."

"countriesas" appears to be a typo of "countries as" Binzy Boi (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done P1221 (talk) 10:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Population error

The population is not confirmed as there has not been a census data collection for decades. Therefore the percentage of ethnicities are also very political and artificial. 2A02:C7D:EC57:AB00:15A:2A6:48B9:B357 (talk) 20:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect information about UN

Article states Afghanistan is a founding member of the UN ("Afghanistan is prominently rich in natural resources. Those resources include lithium, iron, zinc, and copper, amongst many others. It is also the largest producer of opium.[36] The country is a founding member of the United Nations...") without a source. The UN website does not mention Afghanistan as a founding member, and the UN wikipedia page does not include Afghanistan on its list of founding members. 82.13.149.182 (talk) 16:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 July 2022

The practice of Bach’s bazi is barely practiced at the moment and is one relict of the past and it originated in the northern regions of Afghanistan, hence the name bacha bazi يعقوب ځدران (talk) 21:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the practice of bacha bazi is not explained well and correctly, therefore I would say it is necessary to correct it يعقوب ځدران (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

They are referring to this sentence:

However an ancient tradition involving male homosexual acts between youngsters and older men (typically wealthy or elite people) called bacha bazi persists.

which is indeed unsourced and out of date. The Taliban have cracked down hard on this practice. I will update it later. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 21:58, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2022

Under section 3.2.1, "Barakzai dynasty and British wars", the second sentence:

"Afghanistan was divided, including the Emirate of Herat centered in the east."

So this sentence's structure and relevance is already questionable but if we want to at least make it less contradictory and confusing, I suggest an edit to:

"Afghanistan was divided, including the Emirate of Herat centered in the west."

Given that Herat is located in the western region of Afghanistan. Probably a simple mistake. BulldogPunch (talk) 18:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Capital

@Fakescientist8000: The capital, according to both the Taliban and the Islamic Republic, is Kabul. The Taliban administration is located in Kabul; the cabinet, supreme court, prime minister, and all ministries are located there. I'm assuming you meant to label Kandahar as de facto and Kabul as de jure (you did the opposite, which makes absolutely no sense), because the Leadership Council is located in Kandahar. Without sources calling Kandahar the capital, that is original research. No sources for this already exist in the article, and you did not add any. Also, please take note of MOS:SMALL; small text is not allowed in infoboxes. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 00:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 July 2022

Afghanistan is located in Central Asia 2600:1700:4A30:B330:D55D:CED3:3F2:8D (talk) 11:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Listing Afghanistan and Central Asia on searches on 3 August 2022

Afghanistan be listed as Central Asia to specify as its region when searched up. Due to many wrongfully sourcing South Asia for the region of the nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.37.155.47 (talk) 00:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan Header

@Tartan357: Hi there, Tartan357, I hope all has been well recently. I've seen that you have undone my edits on a header for the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (IROA) as shown in Special:Diff/1107974601. I believe that the header can help anyone who is searching for something about "Afghanistan". Now since Afghanistan directs to this page, and since there was no mentioning of the IROA in this article, I decided to add a link to the IROA. Please let me know if you have questions. Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

It is incorrect to say that there is "no mentioning of the IROA in this article". It is mentioned in the lead, the infobox, and quite a lot in the body. WP:HATNOTEs are for disambiguation, they are not for linking all relevant articles. This has been attempted previously, probably as a way to subvert the consensus that the current government is the IEA and the IRA should be treated as a former government. We already have consensus on that matter, there is nothing current about the IRA as a government. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 21:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tartan357: Fair enough. The line has been struck. Should the page Afghanistan (disambiguation) be created and be linked here? A lot of articles about countries have these. Examples include the articles Canada and Russia. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary, but I won't stop you if you want to. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 00:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Alrighty. Seems fair and square. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 01:35, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Languages

(Turkmen) (Uzbek) 39.40.116.255 (talk) 22:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 September 2022

39.40.116.255 (talk) 22:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --N8_wilson 🔔 23:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 September 2022 (2)

1. Laguages [[Turkmen Uzbek

Turkmen Uzbek

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39.40.116.255 (talk) 23:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --N8_wilson 🔔 23:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@39.40.116.255 @ Dari change to Persian. No one refers to Dari, everyone refers to as Farsi/Persian. Stop this confusion of dialect to a real Language. Unidentified7 (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Langauges

Dari change to Persian. Official Language is not a dialect but a primary langauge hence it is requested to be changed/updated. Various articles and sources and historically but also by majority of native population have referred to as Persian, Afghan Persian or Farsi. The usage of referring Persian by its dialect form of name creates confusion towards the public and would make it harder to understand the fact that Persian is an official language of Afghanistan.

References: - [5] - [6] Unidentified7 (talk) 23:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

"The people of Afghanistan form a complex mosaic of ethnic and linguistic groups. Pashtoand Persian (Dari), both Indo-European languages, are the official languages of the country." and "Dari became an official language in Afghanistan in the country's 1964 constitution. Two earlier constitutions in the 20th century had labeled it Farsi." from the sources you link directly dispute the claim you are making. Given that the article Dari is called Dari, I would be cautious to rename something that seems to be particularly controversial without proper sources. Gsquaredxc (talk) 05:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gsquaredxc Alright, then atleast put in brackets so that people may know it is Persian. For instance like this: "Dari (Persian)". Or as you stated; "Persian (Dari)".

Even just this small change would be strongly appreciated. Unidentified7 (talk) 09:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I did not state anything. I merely included a quote from the article you included, which isn't in agreement with the other quote. I do not see any evidence that Persian is an official language, but I see quotes from plenty of WP:RS stating that Dari is what the official language is called.

However, more importantly you need to immediately cease all personal attacks. I've already told you this, but I will be reiterating this here as well. Personal attacks on other editors are NEVER allowed. Gsquaredxc (talk) 09:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I apologize for the inconvenience, I did not have any intention of personal attacks or anything in relation. Hence, I will no longer continue on this topic as my request has been rejected then it is rejected. Thank you for letting me understand, again I am deeply sorry for anything caused. Unidentified7 (talk) 10:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gsquaredxc: Where has Unidentified7 made personal attacks? I'm not seeing any here or elsewhere in their contributions. Sam Walton (talk) 11:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Off-wiki on the discord, specifically (Redacted). Given what was said off-wiki, I figured a clear on-wiki warning would be proper in order to keep the record. Gsquaredxc (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gsquaredxc This is a completely false statement, I did not even know this guy exists on discord. What are you saying? You've clearly got anger issues. Unidentified7 (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

this flag can not represent Afghan flag! It should be removed. 84.211.62.190 (talk) 17:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@84.211.62.190 That is a really opinionated view from you. The flag is officially replaced and roaming around the whole country now. It is just a matter of international recognition of the government. Unidentified7 (talk) 09:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Important ptovince

Wardak 180.222.141.3 (talk) 07:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

See Maidan Wardak Province. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 September 2022

HDI data needs to be updated Ly.n0m (talk) 11:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 13:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

HDI is wrong

Why is the HDI 0,681 medium when it’s 0,478, is it bugged? 2001:4644:3D49:0:5C7A:AAFA:622D:AF72 (talk) 17:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed Was updated with incorrect figure by Lol1VNIO (talk · contribs). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Oops, my bad ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 21:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 September 2022

OnlyJustARandomPerson (talk) 18:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Do I Have Permision To Put An Old Flag Of Afganistan 🇦🇫

 Not done. @OnlyJustARandomPerson: Answer is the FAQ at the top of this page: "consensus in this RfC is to identify the current flag of Afghanistan as that of the Taliban. A new RfC (Request for Comment) will be required to change this." ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 18:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC); edited 18:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Flag

When searching on Google 'Afghanistan' no flag shows, instead just the map shows where the flag image is supposed to be. I am not sure why you have not fixed this error yet because when you click on the Wikipedia link it shows the flag there. Please fix this otherwise the country will be Flagless!! Unidentified7 (talk) 08:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

We are not google, you will have to report this to them. CMD (talk) 08:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis ok thank you. Unidentified7 (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate paragraph

The second paragraph in the "2021–present Taliban Rule" section of the article is a duplicate of the first paragraph. As I cannot edit the article because of its current protection, could someone else delete that duplicate bit? - ColovianHastur (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2022

Change: On 14 April 2021, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance had agreed to start withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan by 1 May.[214] Soon after the withdrawal of NATO troops started, the Taliban launched an offensive against the Afghan government, quickly advancing in front of collapsing Afghan government forces.[215][216] On 15 August 2021, as the Taliban once again controlled a vast majority of Afghan territory, they re-captured the capital city of Kabul, and many civilians, government officials and foreign diplomats were evacuated.[217] President Ghani fled Afghanistan that day.[218] As of 16 August 2021, an unofficial Coordination Council led by senior statesmen was in the process of coordinating the transfer of the state institutions of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan to the Taliban.[219] On 17 August, the First Vice President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Amrullah Saleh, proclaimed himself the caretaker President of Afghanistan and announced the formation of an anti-Taliban front with a reported 6,000+ troops[220][221] in the Panjshir Valley, along with Ahmad Massoud.[222][223] However, on 6 September, the Taliban took control of most of the Panjshir province, with resistance fighters retreating to the mountains to continue fighting within the province.[224] Fights in the valley ceased mid-September,[225] while resistance leaders Amrullah Saleh and Ahmad Massoud fled to neighboring Tajikistan.[226][227][224]

On 14 April 2021, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance had agreed to start withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan by 1 May.[228] Soon after the withdrawal of NATO troops started, the Taliban launched an offensive against the Afghan government, quickly advancing in front of collapsing Afghan government forces.[229][230] On 15 August 2021, as the Taliban once again controlled a vast majority of Afghan territory, they re-captured the capital city of Kabul, and many civilians, government officials and foreign diplomats were evacuated.[231] President Ghani fled Afghanistan that day.[232] As of 16 August 2021, an unofficial Coordination Council led by senior statesmen was in the process of coordinating the transfer of the state institutions of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan to the Taliban.[219] On 17 August, the First Vice President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Amrullah Saleh, proclaimed himself the caretaker President of Afghanistan and announced the formation of an anti-Taliban front with a reported 6,000+ troops[233][234] in the Panjshir Valley, along with Ahmad Massoud.[235][236] However, on 6 September, the Taliban took control of most of the Panjshir province, with resistance fighters retreating to the mountains to continue fighting within the province.[224] Fights in the valley ceased mid-September,[237] while resistance leaders Amrullah Saleh and Ahmad Massoud fled to neighboring Tajikistan.[238][239][224]

TO: On 14 April 2021, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance had agreed to start withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan by 1 May.[228] Soon after the withdrawal of NATO troops started, the Taliban launched an offensive against the Afghan government, quickly advancing in front of collapsing Afghan government forces.[229][230] On 15 August 2021, as the Taliban once again controlled a vast majority of Afghan territory, they re-captured the capital city of Kabul, and many civilians, government officials and foreign diplomats were evacuated.[231] President Ghani fled Afghanistan that day.[232] As of 16 August 2021, an unofficial Coordination Council led by senior statesmen was in the process of coordinating the transfer of the state institutions of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan to the Taliban.[219] On 17 August, the First Vice President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Amrullah Saleh, proclaimed himself the caretaker President of Afghanistan and announced the formation of an anti-Taliban front with a reported 6,000+ troops[233][234] in the Panjshir Valley, along with Ahmad Massoud.[235][236] However, on 6 September, the Taliban took control of most of the Panjshir province, with resistance fighters retreating to the mountains to continue fighting within the province.[224] Fights in the valley ceased mid-September,[237] while resistance leaders Amrullah Saleh and Ahmad Massoud fled to neighboring Tajikistan.[238][239][224]

WHY: block of text is repeated 129.19.163.254 (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Done! CMD (talk) 14:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 October 2022

This flag doesn’t belong to Afghanistan. The United Nations and all countries of the world use the real flag of Afghanistan, which is black, red, green. This flag belongs to a group called Taliban and cannot cover all of Afghanistan. Afghan army australia (talk) 05:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. CMD (talk) 05:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2022

The flag in this article is Taliban flag and not Afghanistan flag. the Afghanistan flag colours are black-red-green (from left to right): https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp4056547.jpg Also the name is not correct. "Islamic Emirat of Afghanistan" is the name of Taliban Government. "Islamic republic of Afghanistan" is the correct name as Taliban are not recognised by any other country. 130.180.79.158 (talk) 11:19, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Please read the FAQ at the top of this page. In case you are on mobile:

Q: The flag is wrong!

A: Since the sole current government of Afghanistan is that of the Taliban, consensus in this RfC is to identify the current flag of Afghanistan as that of the Taliban. A new RfC (Request for Comment) will be required to change this.

Best, ~~ lol1VNIO⁠👻 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 14:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2022

Afghanistan -> Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Hasan9AgeraR (talk) 08:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

South Asia or Central Asia?

Is Afghanistan in South Asia or in Central Asia (or possibly in the Middle East)? This silly little question has attracted a surprising amount of wiki controversy over the years. I think the current, stable, version of the Afghanistan article gets things right: in the very first sentence it says the country is located at the crossroads of the two regions, and then never comes back to this question again. The other two linked articles devote some more screen space to the issue, and at least one of the two does an alright job of it.

I'm not interested in pursuing any changes here. I've just combed through the talk archives of Afghanistan, South Asia, Cental Asia and the Indian subcontinent articles, and compiled a catalogue of all relevant discussions I've been able to find. The list is as follows (I've excluded the numerous short unanswered edit-request threads, though I've left a few of those for flavour; bld indicates the thread was either particularly extensive or featured a lot of sources):

• 2005: Feb, Mar, July, Aug (A B)
• 2006: Oct +ff
• 2007: Jan (A, B), Sep, Oct, Nov (A, B), Dec
• 2008: Jan and Feb, May
• 2009: Mar;
• 2010: May
• 2012: Apr (A +ff, B, C), July
• 2013: Dec +ff
• 2014: Feb, May, May-Nov
• 2015: Mar (A, B, C), Nov (A, B +ff)
• 2016: Jan, Feb, Dec
• 2017: Apr, Dec
• 2018: Jan (A and B), May
• 2019: July, Sep, Oct
• 2020: Apr (A B, C), May (A, B), Aug (A, B), Sep
• 2021: Jan, June, Oct (A, B)
• 2022: Feb, Apr, May (A, B)

Notes

I can draw three conclusions from all the stuff above:

1. This is an obvious point but it doesn't come up in the discussions nearly as often as it should. A region can be variously delimited based on a wide range of possible criteria and from the perspectives of disparate fields of academic knowledge and personal experience. Depending on the criterion used and the perspective taken, the entire country may fall within either of the regions, or parts of it may fall within one region and parts within another. In either case, the inclusion can be (and very often is) of a fuzzy type.
2. A large number of sources have been presented in some of the discussions. A lot of them include Afghanistan in South Asia. A lot include Afghanistan in Central Asia. A lot of sources talk of South Asia without including Afghanistan. A lot talk of Central Asia without including the country. Very, very few sources have been presented that have gone beyond passing mentions to explicitly discuss the country's inclusion in this or that region; there's next to nothing there that could form the basis of non-OR metastatements of the type "Most/some definitions of region X include/exclude Afghanistan".
3. This last point is impossible to miss in the discussions: despite #1 and #2 above, for each of the two regions there is a large set of editors who are absolutely adamant that the country's inclusion in this region is the position that's obvious, natural, common, and supported by the majority of sources, and who vehemently oppose its inclusion in the other region as a fringe viewpoint divorced from reality and largely absent from the sources. This has been a major driving force of the past discussions and is the reason why many of them make for such a sad reading.

I really hope we don't expend any more time and energy on this question. If we do, then I hope the above may serve as a starting point. – Uanfala (talk) 21:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Calendar in use since Taleban took over

Given that the Taleban is a Sunni sect, it seems most unlikely that the Iranian (Shia) Solar Hijri calendar is still in use. Surely they have required that the Sunni Lunar Hijri calendar be used. A google search for today's date in Afghanistan returns the Lunar calendar date. Does anybody have an RS citation for the facts on the ground? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2022

Remove the Taliban flag and replace it by the real afghan flag. 142.127.50.39 (talk) 03:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Change will against consensus, FYI: Talk:Afghanistan/FAQ Lemonaka (talk) 08:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Status of Kandahar within Afghanistan

Hello everyone! I'd like to bring up the status of Kandahar since the Taliban took over. Because Kandahar is the historical base of the Taliban, many of the institutions of Taliban power are in the city (crucially the Leadership Council and the Supreme Leader himself). Given this, shouldn't Kandahar's position as the locus of real political power in Afghanistan be recognized somewhere, such as in the infobox? Obviously Kabul is the official capital, but it sure seems like the real political power is concentrated in Kandahar. Inspector Semenych (talk) 01:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Is there a reliable source that discusses this? CMD (talk) 13:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

This article by the US Institute of Peace includes this section on the situation:

"Who is really in charge of the Taliban’s Islamic Emirate? What is the role of the emir?

For the first six months of their rule, it appeared as if the cabinet, chaired by the prime minister’s office, would shape governance policies — but ministers have been increasingly overruled on issues large and small by the emir, Sheikh Haibatullah Akhundzada, based in Kandahar. This dynamic, which is still evolving, came into public view on March 23, when the long-promised return of girls to high school was overturned by the emir at the last minute. Since then, girls’ education and other controversial issues have stalled as pragmatic Taliban leaders defer to the emir, who seeks counsel from ultraconservative Taliban clerics. Foreign diplomats have begun to describe “dueling centers of power” between Kabul- and Kandahar-based Taliban." Inspector Semenych (talk) 20:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 January 2023

I want to add a main article Geography of Afghanistan#Climate to the Climate section. IntegerSequences (talk | contribs) 00:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: There is already a main link to the Geography article, and no separate climate article. CMD (talk) 01:26, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Why does it state that Afghanistan is part of both Central and South Asia in this article, but in the former article it does not?

In the lead section of this article it says that Afghanistan is part of both Central Asia and South Asia, and is commonly included within Central Asia. However, it is only listed on the South Asia article instead of the Central Asia article. If Afghanistan is not included within Central Asia, then should it be removed from the lead? --Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 20:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Both terms are used in different contexts. Central Asia referred to the territory between Russia and the British Raj, while South Asia referred to the territory in the Indian cultural orbit. TFD (talk) 20:36, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

True, but Afghanistan was never part of the British Raj. The sources justify that Afghanistan is in Central Asia, and that it is more often included in Central Asia than in South Asia. --Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 21:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

No, it was between Russia and the British Raj and within the Indian cultural orbit. And while Afghanistan was never part of the Empire, it was a British protected state.

Anyway, the way we classify countries is not by using our personal reasoning but following what is done in reliable sources. And they describe Afghanistan as being both in Southern and Central Asia.

Ask anyone what countries lie in North America, and expect multiple answers. TFD (talk) 00:02, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Just want to correct here, despite it being a British protected state, it meant quite literally nothing as Afghanistan in itself was de-facto independent, and did not rely on foreign affairs which was relinquished to the British. @The Four Deuces Noorullah21 (talk) 09:06, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is the definition of a protected state. So when the British saw Afghanistan as on the frontier of the Raj, it was in South Asia and when they saw it as the crossroads of Asia, it was in Central Asia. South and central are relative not absolute terms and whether a country is south or central depends on how one looks at it.

In some contexts, N.A. means the U.S., in others Canada and the U.S., or Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, or those countries and "Central America" or they may also include offshore island nations. Different people are going to draw the lines differently. TFD (talk) 09:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Just to underline that point, see The Great Game. Perspective matters. Coming back to the original question, yes it should definitely be listed in the Central Asia article too. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The current shown white and black flag is the flag of Terrorist faction. Afghanistan's official and accepted flag is black+red+green.

As a global platform, Wikipedia must not show the flag of a Terrorist faction as Afghanistan official flag. The official and unanonemously accepted flag is black, red and green 🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫. We kindly request wikipedia's team to be just and official-like. 23.88.196.153 (talk) 15:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Please read the FAQ up above. It states why the flag of the Taliban is used instead of the typical flag. --Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 20:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2023

The reason why I wanted to edit this protected article is to just fix some mistakes written before. I saw few websites say Afghanistan is a Central Asian country. Well, culturally yes but geographically Afghanistan is absolutely located at South Asia and I want to fix that issue. Also the majority of this country are Sunni Muslims. It's not completely Sunni. There are Shia Afghans exist too DTDeniz (talk) 15:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done You should clearly specify the change you want to make (e.g., change X to Y) and provide reliable sources that support the change. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2023

Well, there is a mistake about geography of Afghanistan. Afghanistan is culturally close to Central Asia and it shares border with three Central Asian countries but geographically, Afghanistan is a South Asian country like Pakistan, India and like others. Sometimes Afghanistan included at Indian Subcontinent so I want to fix that as a South Asian before. DTDeniz (talk) 04:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. This is the subject of recurrent controversy on this talk page. Sources do differ on it. 25stargeneral (talk) 04:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Section 5.2 - Inaccurate information

• What's incorrect: This section (5.2 - Demographics) cites Zablon Simintov as the last remaining member of the Afghani Jewish community before his evacuation.
• Why it should be changed: This was assumed true until it was revealed that a woman named Tova Moradi was in fact the last to leave. This fact has been reflected in Simintov's own Wikipedia page (Zablon Simintov). She was a cousin of Simintov's. I'm not entirely sure how the sentences dedicated to this should be reworded, but this change needs to be made to reflect the most recent information as well as to bring this page in line with the rest of Wikipedia.
• Additional Reference:

Link: Jpost.com - Last Jew

WikEdits5 (talk) 19:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done 25stargeneral (talk) 23:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2023 (2)

The flag of Afghanistan needs to be changed 🇦🇫 75.114.201.25 (talk) 04:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see the #FAQ. 25stargeneral (talk) 04:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the flat and national anthem are not recognised by either the people och other counteries. 78.71.125.8 (talk) 22:22, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

The Flag and Anthem are not representativ

A terrorist group takes power and imposes its flag and national anthem. There is not a single country in the world that has recognized the regime. So Wikipedia is the first to recognize the flag and the national anthem. It is an insult to the country and its people. If a terrorist group takes power elsewhere in the world, the country's flag and national anthem are changed. If al Shabab takes power in Somalia? 78.71.125.8 (talk) 22:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

See the FAQ on why the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan's flag is present on the Wikipedia page. They are currently the Afghan government and rule the country, and there won't be any changes unless any further developments occur in the region. (or consensus). Noorullah21 (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2023

192.181.215.45 (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

add "Second Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan"

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CMD (talk) 15:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2023 (2)

Put the new flag of Afghanistan on Google. Currently, it is just a picture of the country, not the flag. Other countries have their flags posted. But not Afghanistan. 68.171.177.170 (talk) 23:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: We are not google. CMD (talk) 01:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 March 2023

If you take a look at Pakistan’s Wikipedia page, it states the Middle East and Western Asia. Pakistan is a country that is more further from West Asia or the Middle East. I would suggest to add what it says for Pakistan, regarding the Middle East and Western Asia when Afghanistan has more of historical ties with these regions compared to Pakistan. I would suggest removing it from Pakistan’s Wikipedia to not cause any confusion or disruption, or adding this information to Afghanistan as well. Inaquout (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

This is so not any of the countries is seemed as elevated beyond the other. Inaquout (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 21:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I take it the request is for the article's lede to mention the Middle East alongside Central Asia and South Asia. This is plausible, but you'd need to find a good source for that, Inaquout. Ideally, that won't be something with a passing mention, but a good academic text that explicitly discusses Afghanistan as a Middle Eastern country. – Uanfala (talk) 11:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Results of wars should not be in the introduction of a country's wikipedia page. Should be under "history" of that particular country for professionalism.

Remove this from the introduction as these historical details should be under the country's "history" and not in the introduction of a country's Wikipedia page discussing war outcomes.

Referring to: "British attempted to subjugate Afghanistan but were repelled in the First Anglo-Afghan War. However, the Second Anglo-Afghan War saw a British victory and the successful establishment of British political influence over Afghanistan." 120.150.118.212 (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

"Professionalism"? What are you talking about? Do you not think that removing those two sentences would leave the reader confused about the following one:

"Following the Third Anglo-Afghan War in 1919, Afghanistan became free of foreign political hegemony, and emerged as the independent Kingdom of Afghanistan in June 1926 under Amanullah Khan."

Where did the political hegemony come from? And if your response to this is anything resembling, "Oh, I forgot about that sentence, we should remove that one too," then why do you want to censor important information about Afghan history? "Professionalism"? I think what you really want is to scrub article leads of any content that may paint the country in a negative light. Yue🌙 18:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I said to remove both wars if you read correctly firstly so it doesn’t imply a positive light or negative light. Secondly, I said this can be put under “history” below the page and not in the introduction as it is too big for an introduction. Thirdly, if it is absolutely necessary, it can be condensed into the “Anglo-Afghans Wars” and discuss the end result in one sentence.

Regards.

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Afghani symbol

The current symbol in parentheses next to Afghani in the currency section of the infobox just says "Afghani" in Dari. Shouldn't the symbol be used there instead? Either Af or ؋‎ but not the entire word, no?‎ Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 10:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2023

Realesticman (talk) 21:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I am an Afghan. I cannot accept the current so-called government. Please help me edit "Afghanistan" article and remove the current so-called government name I mean, "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan" to " So-called Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan". We all hate this bad so-called government.It is a fake government. It has invaded our poor country!

 Not done: see FAQ Cannolis (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Re-check the meaning of 'La ilaha illallah'

To the Admin Please review the meaning of 'La ilaha illallah' It should be 'There is no God but Allah'

The way you put it doesn't make any sense so please reconsider and add the real meaning of the 'Kalima' 157.32.69.2 (talk) 04:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Then what is the correct translation? Do you have a reliable source for it? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 05:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

While what you stated is correct, what is there is also correct, since the Arabic word "Allah" (الله) translates to "God" in English Ahmed4040amr (talk) 03:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2023

You need to change the flag of the country. The current flag is not the correct flag. You have added the flag of a regime instead of the national flag. Your act is similar to adding the flag of a party instead of the US flag. The country is Afghanistan and just that. Islamic Emirate is the name of the regime (a terrorist one), not the country. You have to correct these mistakes and much more. You have to understand that even small actions like yours strengthen Talibans' hold on power and WIKIPEDIA as a well-known organization should not be a tool for the terrorists. Mak173 (talk) 14:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: see FAQ Cannolis (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Is افغانستان. even a real domain?

Should this be in the infobox as a TLD? There's no source. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 01:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be any references to a افغانستان. internationalized domain name anywhere except for sites scraping from Wikipedia. It's not mentioned in ICANN's IDN ccTLD list. Searching what should be the punycode for this domain name (xn--mgbaal8b0b9b2bd) turns up nothing. The only reference to this ever existing, is only an ICANN list of possible IDN ccTLDs. As far as this goes it doesn't look real Miyika .₊̣̇.ಇ/ᐠ｡ᆽ｡ᐟ \ 14:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Seems suspicious and unsupported enough to not host in the infobox as statement of fact. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

capital de facto is Kandahar

The capital of the emirate is de jure Kabul but de facto Kandaharː

"Currently, Kandahar enjoys a high status due to the presence of our beloved Mullah Hibatullah Akhundzada. He is our beloved leader and we love him very much. He is our leader, he has the power of a King. So it's only natural that he should give orders and advice. He has authority over all ministries. All his orders, all his decrees, emanate from here, from Kandahar. The same applies in Afghanistan. This system of government suits and pleases the Afghans". - Statement by Ayatollah Mubarak (Deputy-Governor of Kandahar) in an Arte interview. Source ː "Afghanistan : le vrai visage des talibans | ARTE Reportage" Tarek lb (talk) 11:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Format Fix Needed

The list of provinces in alphabetical order at Governance >> Administrative divisions needs to be fixed. Cornelius (talk) 01:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Renassault: Why? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

UN member state

The United Nations currently recognizes the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan as the government of Afghanistan instead of the de facto ruling government, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. Fix this error, as the UN does not recognize the Islamic Emirate as of right not and the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is not a member of the UN. DavidMDCXI (talk) 13:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Demographics

I’ve witnessed that in most the census indicates that Hazara ethnic group makeup 10-15% population of Afghanistan. In such authentic census like the ones which is punished in UK Parliament. Reference: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/11165/pdf TalibHassani006 (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Opium production

@25stargeneral Hey, so per my recent addition about opium production (with source: [7]), it seems it has been slashed quite a lot. This Wikipedia Article still has mentions though that Afghanistan is the world's largest opium producer. Is it best to keep it like so? Noorullah (talk) 23:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I think it can be noted that production has declined under the Taliban ban, but I think it's too soon to say that Afghanistan has lost its spot as the world's top producer. Other countries produce so much less. There's an article from the WSJ yesterday which notes the declining production but also says:

Afghanistan supplies about 80% of the world’s opiates, according to UNODC. While the recent decline in poppy production is unlikely to immediately affect the world’s heroin supply, as farmers and traffickers have stockpiles of both harvested crops and manufactured drugs, a prolonged ban could hit global supply and push prices up.

So we will have to wait to see what the longer term impact of the ban is. 25stargeneral (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Gotchya. Noorullah (talk) 00:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@25stargeneral An update: the source here states:

"Hibatullah Akhundzada's declaration follows recent media reports and satellite images backed by the United Nations and the United States, concluding that annual poppy cultivation has "significantly" decreased in the world’s biggest opium producer. [8] Noorullah (talk) 03:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Also later stating: ""The Taliban have successfully reduced poppy cultivation by more than 99% in Helmand province, which previously produced more than 50% of the country's opium," the report said." Noorullah (talk) 03:01, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

That quote still calls it the world's biggest producer. What we need is a source telling us directly they are no longer the world's biggest producer. It can't be inferred. 25stargeneral (talk) 00:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2023

change "Afghans are divided into several ethnolinguistic groups. Off of sociological research data by The Asia Foundation in 2019, the Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group, comprising 39%, followed by Tajiks, comprising 37%.[296] of the country's population. The other two major ethnic groups are the Hazaras and Uzbeks. A further 10 other ethnic groups are recognized and each are represented in the Afghan National Anthem.[297]"

to "Afghans are divided into several ethnolinguistic groups. According to research data by several institutions in 2019, the Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group, comprising 42%, followed by Tajiks, comprising 27% of the country's population. The other two major ethnic groups are the Hazaras and Uzbeks, each at 9%. A further 10 other ethnic groups are recognized and each are represented in the Afghan National Anthem."

The polls from The Asia Foundation tend to overestimate the number of Tajiks in comparison to impartial or unbiased estimations from other institutions (as high as 37%, while most other estimations place their number around 20[9]-27%[10], most recently in 2023 along with the Hazara, Aimak and other native Dari speakers at 32.1% [11]. Also the number of Pashtuns in The Asia Foundation polls gets underestimated thoroughly, with the other institution's most pessimistic estimates being at around 40% in 1996[12] and the most optimistic around 52.4% in 2023[13]. So the middle ground should be the 2019 unofficial estimate which is also to be found in the infobox under "Ethnic groups". }} SdHb (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Should I include the third paragraph? Cherrell410 (talk) 20:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done I assumed the answer to that was "no" and made the change. Xan747 (talk) 22:47, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 July 2023

In the geography section where borders with other countries are discussed change "....China to northeast" to "....China to far northeast" it will give a better insight of the border system as northeast part is designated to Tajikistan. Thank You. KSCeltic (talk) 06:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Xan747 (talk) 22:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

China is not to the east, it is far north east KSCeltic (talk) 10:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

 Already done M.Bitton (talk) 11:32, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Capital

Kandahar is the de facto Taliban capital, now as well as in 1996-'01 (both articles are wrong) 2402:8100:3973:AFCC:BC15:A429:CC53:CA98 (talk) 15:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 July 2023

Afghanistan is in Central Asia 2baran (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

So it says. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 18:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Flag

Why is the Taliban flag put there? Is it Wikipedia's policy to always have de facto information ratjer than de iure because not a single nation recognizes that flag. 2A05:4F44:20B:1D00:7833:8606:C489:5EDE (talk) 00:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@2A05:4F44:20B:1D00:7833:8606:C489:5EDE this discussion was held a long time ago, the Islamic Republic doesn't exist at this point and there's not even a government in exile 193.106.131.248 (talk) 08:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Meaning of the Motto لا إله إلا الله، محمد رسول الله

Whether this is intentional trolling or not there is nothing productive to be had here.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The Motto translation in the infobox should be "There is no god but Allah, ..." as the meaning of لا إله إلا الله، محمد رسول الله. The word Allah even can be found in notable online dictionaries such as here and here. Could you please consider the notable sources I have provided? Myacc748239 (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Not to mention 1, 2, and 3. Myacc748239 (talk) 13:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC) @Myacc748239: But do you have a reliable source that provides a translation of the complete phrase? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC) Here Myacc748239 (talk) 00:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC) And in the context of Shahada, the word Allah (God in Arabic) can be directly translated as "Allah" as it exists in notable English dictionaries. The use of the word "Allah" can also ensure the readers that God referred there is the God in Islam. No need to play words game here. Myacc748239 (talk) 00:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC) And this article says that God in Shahadah refers to Allah, the word used by Muslims to name God. Myacc748239 (talk) 00:10, 31 July 2023 (UTC) @LaundryPizza03, This source is from BBC. Myacc748239 (talk) 00:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC) I should note that this is already in the article; are you requesting that I change the mention of God to Allah? I will need to await a third opinion. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC) In which part of the article is this already explained? You ask me for a reliable (to you) source, and still you don't accept it. Why? Myacc748239 (talk) 01:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC) It seemed that you ask me for any article sources providing a translation of the complete phrase because you think that I wouldn't find any. After I successfully provided some, you asked for the third opinion, why don't you ask it at first? Myacc748239 (talk) 01:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC) @Ustad abu gosok, bung mohon beri pendapat. Dia minta pendapat ketiga. Myacc748239 (talk) 01:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC) This is covered by our guideline MOS:ALLAH, and we will not be changing it here while that guideline remains in place. 25stargeneral (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC) Can we propose change to it? Myacc748239 (talk) 01:45, 31 July 2023 (UTC) But, it's been invariable to Muslim that we call God in Syahadah as Allah. Myacc748239 (talk) 01:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC) You can propose to change it, but that would be done at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles, not here. 25stargeneral (talk) 01:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC) And many anti-Islam-terms people will directly oppose it regardless of what English dictionaries have told them that the word Allah has been accepted as an English word. Myacc748239 (talk) 01:51, 31 July 2023 (UTC) We can not get bogged down in debating the meanings of individual words or come to our own conclusions as to how the words in the motto should be translated. The only thing that matters is how the whole phrase is translated into English by Reliable Sources. I've had a quick look and, while it seems that both phrases are used, "There is no god but God" is the more common one. As such, there is no compelling argument to change it in the article. The linking of "God" in the translation is more than sufficient to clarify the meaning for any readers who might be confused. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC) Finally, an anti-Islam-terms person comes out. After I provided multiple reliable and notable English dictionaries and even an article by BBC, I'm sure many still oppose it just because they don't agree with it. My prediction is proven. Myacc748239 (talk) 00:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC) Please stop. We are not here to entertain this nonsense. This is not about individual words in dictionaries or about your personal opinions on how to translate the phrase. The phrase is typically translated as it is in the article. The article is correct. You already know this. You use provocative phrases like "anti-Islam-terms" in a completely incoherent way because you are not here to help us build an encyclopaedia. You are only here to stir up trouble. Pack it in with the trolling and personal attacks. DanielRigal (talk) 00:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Population?

The population in the lead needs clarification. Why is there a 7 million discrepancy? Why is one value an "official" estimate (one source is in a foreign language, so I can't edit this myself). –Zfish118^⋉talk 09:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Because Afghanistan has had no official census since 1979 due to the war. As a result, the population figures are estimates. Noorullah (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2023

Taliban are not officially recognized by any country 83.171.171.85 (talk) 01:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 August 2023

I think you made a mistake because the flag you using is for a terrorist group named Taliban, not Afghanistan. (🇦🇫)This is the Afghanistan flag and I see that using the Taliban flag is totally wrong since the original flag has a lot of history behind it and it represents the country unlike the Taliban flag which only bring painful memory To those who were forced to leave their beloved country because of these terrorist. 37.104.134.136 (talk) 22:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 01:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it's absolutely right. All afghan People want this 🇦🇫 flag not the taliban flag. 2601:204:D180:A940:42D:6EF2:6432:D1B8 (talk) 03:47, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

However, the Taliban currently controls Afghanistan. They are technically not terrorists, but the ones who harbored terrorists as guests. There are many different Taliban groups, and this one seems slightly more legitimate than the others. They are also attempting to begin talks about improving the country, allying with former "enemies" to destroy ACTUAL terrorists (IS-K), so take of that what you will. 2601:1C0:C800:A070:489B:868E:8F50:6833 (talk) 19:48, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Per dispute

@Cortador None of the other sources you cited are supporting what you appear to have said, only the guardian which states "The data suggests Afghanistan has become one of very few countries worldwide where more women than men die by suicide."

Which also says that the figures are partial. All in all, it would not be appropriate to add this in until it can be properly attributed to. This also would not be relevant on this page either I believe. Instead, it would make better sense to add this to the page Treatment of women by the Taliban if any updates occur. Noorullah (talk) 00:36, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Again @Cortador, I am asking you to discuss your change on the talk page.

Also see WP:RSUW, this doesn’t seem to be attributed elsewhere. Noorullah (talk) 08:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I checked for some other articles and they seem to align with what is being said. But this isn’t a section that is relevant to Human rights, and is instead, better to be included in the aforementioned page. Noorullah (talk) 08:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The Guardian is a reliable source. None of the other sources contest what The Guardian is reporting i.e. they don't represent a different viewpoint. Cortador (talk) 08:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cortador Yes I never said the Guardian was an unreliable source, but you seem to misunderstand what I am saying.

The figures explicitly say they are partial, and this isn't an addition that is relevant to the Human right's section. Noorullah (talk) 15:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

You yourself stated that this should go into the human right sections. The article explicitly states that this is a result of the deteriorating human rights situation. Cortador (talk) 07:45, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cortador I never said that it should go in the human rights section, I'm not sure where you got that from. My edit summary said "This also wouldn't be appropriate in the Human rights section".

Secondly, where does it say in the article that this is a result of the human rights situation? It hasn't said that whatsoever, and you said it says that explicitly. I'm assuming you meant the guardian here. Noorullah (talk) 01:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

You said that this was covered in the human rights sections. Why would you bring this up if this wasn't something you thought belonged there? Also, quoting The Guardian:

"UN officials and human rights activists have raised the alarm about the sharp increase in the number of women attempting to take their own lives. They have explicitly linked it to Taliban restrictions on every aspect of women’s existence, from a ban on education above elementary level and a prohibition on most work, to a bar on entering parks, bathhouses and other public spaces."

Emphasis mine. This is the second time you claim that the article doesn't contain information which is very clearly contains. The article even used the term "explicitly". You, at best, can't be bothered to read the sources you are criticising and, at worst, deliberately won't do so. Cortador (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I said it was covered in the human rights section by referring to your original edit of mistreatment of women by the Taliban, I added on in my edit summary to talk about the suicide rates remark, showing I was not referring to the suicide remarks which you thought I said was already covered. [14] So I am sorry if you got confused there.

And may you please be Civil? You are saying I am intentionally not reading the source given.

Again, I never criticized the source, I'm not sure where you are getting this from, when all I asked was "where does it say in the article that this is a result of the human rights situation?"

But again, how is this itself relevant to the Human rights section? This is indeed caused as a result of Taliban crackdowns, but what relevance does it have to this section? Would it not fair better on a page like Treatment of women by the Taliban? Noorullah (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

With apologies Noorullah, your logic completely escapes me. Something can very obviously be both a human rights issue as well as a treatment of women issue (women are human). In this case, we appear to have sources that explicitly link the abysmal treatment of a group of humans (women) to an increase in their suicide rate, hence "human rights". RegentsPark (comment) 20:03, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@RegentsPark My main point here was that I thought it would fair better on the aforementioned page. I was planning to add an "Affects of treatment/impacts" sort of section as of recent to the page, and I thought it would be better to summarize and include content that @Cortador was adding here, rather then have it here (beyond what was already stated).

But since there's a more growing consensus on keeping it, (now with you sharing your thoughts), I'll just add it in with the section I plan to add and expand. Noorullah (talk) 20:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

You have repeatedly been asking for information that the source obviously and directly states; the only explanation for that is that you didn't read the article properly. Cortador (talk) 09:32, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 September 2023

Source 42 is a site that references a better citation, https://www.unodc.org/doc/wdr2016/WDR_2016_Chapter_1_Cannabis.pdf

but it says that Afghanistan is the second largest producer of cannabis *resin*, not cannabis in general. The information should be updated and the better source used. Froggerxxx (talk) 19:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 08:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Why did you change the color of the flag?

Why did you change the color of the flag when ours has 🇦🇫 three colors and this white 🏳️flag is associated with a movement or political party rather than a nation? I request you, as an Afghan-American, to raise the authentic three-color flag over here. 2601:204:D180:A940:42D:6EF2:6432:D1B8 (talk) 03:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

This does make sense, I could see a compromise of two flags, with sub-captions of "Traditional Afghan Flag" and the other being "Flag of the Taliban-Occupied Afghanistan". 2601:1C0:C800:A070:489B:868E:8F50:6833 (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I think both flags should be displayed, with he Taliban flag being the de facto flag of the country, and the tricolour being the de jure one. Cortador (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

There is no "de jure" flag because the Islamic Republic doesn't exist. There's not even a government in exile, nothing 193.106.131.248 (talk) 14:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

flag vandalism

Some infidel replaced the flag with some Arabic scribbles. 199.7.156.236 (talk) 22:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

This is the flag of the government that is recognized by independent sources, and your reference to the Arabic calligraphy as "scribbles" is racist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 September 2023

Change “ However, the Second Anglo-Afghan War saw a British victory and the successful establishment of British political influence over Afghanistan” to political stalemate as the result as the British failed their objective to maintain a British resident in Kabul. Source provided - https://branchcollective.org/?ps_articles=zarena-aslami-the-second-anglo-afghan-war-or-the-return-of-the-uninvited and https://reviews.history.ac.uk/review/1443. Napolean33 (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. There are multiple sources that assert that the war was a British victory, both here and at the Second Anglo-Afghan War article. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2023

I would suggest to add in the section of "Geography" on Afghanistan the 6.3 magnitude earthquake that occured October 8, 2023 that killed more than 2,000 people. The epicenter of the earthquake is on Herat. 2405:8D40:4066:55EC:178B:F9BD:C402:5864 (talk) 10:04, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Andumé (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023

The population numbers in the summary are confusing. I propose the following change for clarity:

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As of 2021 Afghanistan's population is 40.2 million (officially estimated to be 32.9 million).

+

According to the World Population review, as of 2021 Afghanistan's population is 40.2 million. The National Statistics Information Authority of Afghanistan estimated the population to be 32.9 million as of 2020.

Mark20044 (talk) 18:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Andumé (talk) 03:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Afghanistan#Education needs updating

With the significant changes made in the education sector of Afghanistan, much of this section is outdated. I'd be happy to begin updating this section if given the permissions.

For example, it says "Over 174,000 students are enrolled in different universities around the country. About 21% of these are females." The reference it gives for the 21% is from 2017, long before women were banned.

FropFrop (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Women are no longer banned. 103.230.105.3 (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@103.230.105.3 If that is the case that should be added and referenced in the article. I'm unable to find anything on that, so perhaps share a reference here for someone with the edit permissions to use?

In any case, my offer still stands. FropFrop (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Opium production

@25stargeneral Wanted to bring this up again. If you recall I did a similar post here a while back, and it seems an official U.N report has given data for opium production now. [15]

"According to the Afghanistan Opium Survey 2023, released by the agency on Sunday, the supply of opium declined by an estimated 95 per cent, falling from 6,200 tons in 2022 to 333 tons in 2023, corresponding to a fall in the area under cultivation, from 233,000 hectares to just 10,800 hectares over the same period."

This would drop it from its position as the first opium producer in the world, putting Myanmar at first. (per these showing what Myanmar produced) [16] [17]

"In 2022, the area under opium poppy cultivation in Myanmar was estimated at 40,100 hectares. This estimate is 33 per cent – about 10,000 hectares – more than in 2021, reversing the downward trend that started in 2014." [18]

National potential opium production in 2022 was estimated to be about 790 metric tonnes. Though this estimate is still below a recent peak in 2013 of 870 metric tonnes, it is nearly double the estimates for 2020 of around 400 metric tonnes, which represented the nadir of a recent historic downward trend. [19] Noorullah (talk) 06:01, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Al Jazeera also states:

"Afghanistan was previously the world’s top opium producer – responsible for over 80 percent of global supply – and a major source of heroin in Europe and Asia." [20] Noorullah (talk) 06:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Please change Afghanistan etymology, the sanskrit origin theory is obsolete, plus earliest sources about the term Afghan are Sassanid and Bactrian

Borrowed from Classical Persian افغان‎ (afğān, “Afghan”), from Bactrian αβαγανο (abagano), first attested in the fourth century CE, most likely a compound of *apāka- (“distant, faraway”), from Proto-Iranian *Hapá, from Proto-Indo-Iranian *Hapá (“away”), from Proto-Indo-European *h₂epó + *-āna (“ethnic group”), from Proto-Indo-European *-nós, thus: "people from a distant land". Various scholars have proposed Sanskrit etymologies since the nineteenth century (especially prior to the 2007 publication of earlier Bactrian attestations for the word), but linguist Johnny Cheung notes that these are "extremely difficult to reconcile" with recent evidence pointing to a Bactrian source.

Johnny Cheung (2017), “On the Origin of the Terms "Afghan" & "Pashtun" (Again)”, in Enrico Morano, Elio Provasi & Adriano V. Rossi, editors, , Rome, Italy: Scienze e Lettere, →ISBN, pages 31—51 37.65.8.47 (talk) 23:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 January 2024

Change لا إله إلا الله، محمد رسول الله to لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا ٱللَّٰهُ، مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱللَّٰهِ: Adding tashkeel (diacritical marks) to make the motto more clear and concise Mododge16 (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Why is Afghanistan at the border of Central Asia and South Asia but not the Middle East/West Asia also ?

De facto Afghanistan got many links to the Middle East both historically, culturally and geographically. I think it's fair to say Afghanistan is at the crossroads of West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia. All three, not just Central Asia and South Asia. 2A02:8428:809E:6701:F0D7:5A73:115E:BA24 (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

It all depends on what sources you look at and how logical your thought process is.

Afghanistan is considered a middle eastern country by some sources, a west Asian, central asian, and/or south Asian country by many other sources. However, the majority of sources include it in both South and Central Asia.

You’d be correct to think that Afghanistan is at the crossroads of West, Central, South, and East Asia, but it’s better to see where the country is geographically located in by the majority of sources.

Take China for example. It’s commonly referred to as an East Asian country by the majority of sources. However, some other sources include the western portions of China in Central Asia. Does that mean China is both Central AND East Asian? Logically yes, but the way most sources put it, no. WikiAmerican1 (talk) 20:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that academic sources are often corrupted I know it's the most easy answer I could get but politics and biased cultural and religious views shape most academic results I've seen in my life. Particularly in geography and geopolitics. An example is the definition of Europe as a continent, it was total nonsense throughout this last 2 to 3 centuries, it has been constantly changing and expanding.

I see what you meant with China, but for Afghanistan the middle eastern influence is everywhere, while South Asian would be limited to its eastern side and Central asian to its northern and Central parts. And geologically Afghanistan got no link whatsoever with Indian subcontinent.

And the saddest thing above all is that for Afghanistan it's foreign power and particularly USA for the last decades who always decided its fate, even in academic talks. 2A02:8428:809E:6701:E4ED:5B5E:1EEB:E8EB (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don’t make the rules. Afghanistan is very Iranic in a sense, but geographically it’s seen as both a south and central Asian country in general. Some sources include it in west Asia because it’s neither on the Indian subcontinent nor was it ever part of Soviet Central Asia.

South Asia is sometimes used synonymously with “Indian subcontinent”, but other definitions say South Asia is the Indian subcontinent AND surrounding countries, including Afghanistan and even Iran.

It’s all purely political at this point. There’s no universally agreed upon subregion in which Afghanistan and Iran belong to. Iran is not 100% west Asian, and Afghanistan is not 100% central or south Asian. WikiAmerican1 (talk) 03:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2024

104.171.248.240 (talk) 15:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Please correct the Afghan Flag on this page. Wikipedia supposed to be a reliable source of information, not fake news. That shown flag does not represent 45+ million Afghans. It represent only %1 of the people living on the land.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe this is the flag that he is referring to - https://www.britannica.com/place/Afghanistan WikiAmerican1 (talk) 02:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 January 2024

103.109.57.56 (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done, It's unclear what you mean. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 06:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 January 2024

In the infobox section, more specifically government, add “one party state”, seeing as the Taliban (the ruling party of Afghanistan) has banned all political parties leaving only it the legal party of Afghanistan.

Source to support my claim: [21] TheLibyanGuy (talk) 22:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: "Unitary totalitarian provisional theocratic Islamic emirate" ... with the current description it would not be possible for it to be anything other than a one party state, unclear how this addition would not be redundant. Goldsztajn (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

China sent ambassador, not yet formal recognition

China sent an ambassador in Sept, not yet formal recognition. --Voidvector (talk) 05:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Afghanistan's flag picture must change to the real flag.

Which Wiki-terrorist changed Afghanistan's real flag to Taliban's flag? No country in this world acknowledges the Taliban as Afghanistan's government. So why does Wikipedia legitimize the Taliban by changing Afghanistan's flag to theirs? The wikipedia page must CHANGE to the ORIGINAL flag. If people want to search for a quick look on information about Afghanistan, they should not be MISINFORMED, thinking the national flag is the Taliban's shahada flag. Caxapn (talk) 00:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

The flag in the infobox is the flag of the de-facto government of Afghanistan and will stay as such. This not up for debate, and has been decided by way of multiple RFC's prior. For curent use of the Islamic Republic's flag, refer to Republican insurgency in Afghanistan and National Resistance Front of Afghanistan. Arakui (talk) 16:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 February 2024

The population counts are wrong, as of Macro Trends, Afghanistan's population is 43 million(2024) Awesomeboy122 (talk) 13:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Introduction

In the intro, please change “However, the Second Anglo-Afghan War saw a British victory and the successful establishment of British political influence.” to “However, the second Anglo-Afghan War” ended with the Treat of Gandamak which allowed British to control Afghanistan’s foreign affairs.”

sources stating a “political stalemate” of a sort did occur:

https://reviews.history.ac.uk/review/1443

https://branchcollective.org/?ps_articles=zarena-aslami-the-second-anglo-afghan-war-or-the-return-of-the-uninvited Dunki2024 (talk) 18:04, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2024

I want to edit this article to explain about how the country has been worsened since the takeover of the Taliban. Akaganhamilton1 (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Jamedeus (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2024 (2)

Meandmybrix (talk) 15:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

becuase to add national anthem file File:Af-tal.ogg This is the Home of the Brave Meandmybrix (talk) 15:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Y done and done Cactus Ronin (talk) 01:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 March 2024

the afghanistan flag is wrong 2A02:C7C:98FB:2E00:6DFB:C9AD:3343:77F8 (talk) 16:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GrayStorm^{(Talk|Contributions)} 17:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 March 2024

Hello, there is a red link in the passage of the afghanistan article. I was wondering if you guys could fix it, here is the part of the article: According to the World Bank, 98% of the rural population have access to electricity in 2018, up from 28% in 2008.[422] Overall the figure stands at 98.7%.[423] As of 2016, Afghanistan produces 1,400 megawatts of power, but still imports the majority of electricity via transmission lines from Iran and the Central Asian states.[424] The majority of electricity production is via hydropower, helped by the amount of rivers and streams that flow from the mountains.[425] However electricity is not always reliable and blackouts happen, including in Kabul.[426] In recent years an increasing number of solar, biomass and wind power plants have been constructed.[427] Currently under development are the CASA-1000 project which will transmit electricity from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline.[426] Power is managed by the Da Afghanistan Breshna Sherkat (DABS, Afghanistan Electricity Company).

Important dams include the Kajaki Dam, Dahla Dam, and the Sardeh Band Dam.[264]

I would love it if you guys could change the misleading link. Please and thank you. Awesomeboy122 (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Redlinks are used for topics which are sufficiently notable that an article SHOULD be written about them, but that article does not yet exist. Leaving them in place is Wikipedia policy. See: WP:REDLINK PianoDan (talk) 21:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request - Grammatical Correction

Under the section regarding the Barakzai dynasty and British wars, Abdur Rahman Khan, the "Iron Amir" is quoted as saying: "How can a small power like Afghanistan, which is like a goat between these lions [Britain and Russia] or a grain of wheat between two strong millstones of the grinding mill, [could] stand in the midway of the stones without being ground to dust?. The insertion of "[could]" is unnecessary and grammatically incorrect, as the sentence already begins with "how can". Additionally, conjugating the verb to "could" does not match the structure of the sentence, making it incorrect even without the inclusion of "how can". KingDeadCo (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done This error was in one of the citations but not in the other, so I don't see a problem with removing it. It wasn't in the original quote either way. Jamedeus (talk) 04:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! KingDeadCo (talk) 22:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 March 2024

In the infobox list of ethnic groups, "other" is not capitalized whilst every other group in the list is. Please capitalize for coherence. EmpressArtemis (talk) 21:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done Shadow311 (talk) 20:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024

Population: 43,372,950 (2024) based on this website https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/afghanistan-population/ Rank: 36 ZakiFrahmnd1 (talk) 03:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done because Worldometer is not a reliable source. Antrotherkus 20:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2024

Location of error to correct: Section: Development of Taliban government; 3rd paragraph; 4th sentence. Change "... over an executive body known Supreme Council..." to "... over an executive body known as the Supreme Council..." by adding "known as" after "body". Goman1 (talk) 22:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 01:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Population

Pashtuns are 65% not 42. Please change! 2607:FEA8:4D60:590:6CE7:A786:1188:5BD5 (talk) 05:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Please provide source for this figure. Rasnaboy (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Change the flag to the original back !!

I read the discussions about the flag, and the shallow counter comments. However this is the point where we need to differentiate at least on a website between forced government and chosen one. This is case is still so fresh and the wounds of hundreds and thousands of afghans are still bleeding. I could count many other examples where articles on this platform were adjusted rightfully by morals and basic human senses. When we write about murders we write MURDERS even though the murder might state that he/she isn‘t one because we cannot accept whatever someone claims. We judge by their actions. Therefore the editors and creators of this post should not acknowledge a flag that stands for an organization that killed, r*ped and tortured so many people. While the people within Afghanistan cannot wish for their old flag we can at least represent them rightfully in a god damn article. The taliban are a terrorizing Organisation…please change immediately, I will not stop . Saly161616 (talk) 17:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Then you should really support the reinstatement of the Islamic Republic. This has been discussed many times before, and we use the Islamic Emirate's flag because the Taliban is the government in power right now. Seizing control through terrorism doesn't change that, being unrecognized doesn't change that, and perpetrating war crimes don't change that. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

But don’t you guys realize how this can affect, the victims ? I have discussed this with some citizens living in Afghanistan right now to also voice their opinions…and they are truly saddened by this. That the world outside Afghanistan where there are choices, rules and laws are still following the protocols given by a corrupt terrorizing group. I understand or I hope to believe that this flag on this site is only used for the reasons given and not any other political statement, but I find that this differs from many other cases…1. this case of Afghanistan in the way it played out has been one of the only one of its kind. Why are we comparing this to cases that played out before even one of us were born. Shouldn‘t this case be viewed individually? How can it so dryly and monotonously be categorized as FACT. We literally have witnessed a folk being stripped of its IDENTITY…this is shocking.There are so many factors that need to be considered. I really wish that the authors responsible for this article revalue their argumentations. I am sure anyone who is interested enough to open up the site of wiki of Afghanistan is well aware of its complications…so by putting up the old flag you don’t do nothing wrong but just view it from a different perspective, while using the new one is wrong on more than 100 levels Saly161616 (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

You understand that “dryly and monotonously” collecting facts is Wikipedia’s whole modus operandi, right? The Taliban government is - in my opinion and those of many others, unfortunately - the government of Afghanistan. The facts on the ground would demonstrate that much. If you waved the tricolor around Kabul at present, I would be concerned for your safety. I, and I am sure that many others as well, sympathize with the fact that many Afghans both in and outside of Afghanistan do not believe that the Taliban represents them. However, just because a government is viewed as “illegitimate” by some people that does not preclude it from being depicted on Wikipedia. The Nazi government was, in the view of the modern German state, illegitimate. However, the fact remains that the Nazi Germany article does not show the present-day tricolor flag, but the swastika, as that was the flag that was flown by that government, legitimate or illegitimate as it may have been. I, again, sympathize with Afghans who disagree with their country’s Wikipedia article depicting the Taliban flag, but in my opinion, accurately depicting what flag is being used by the government presently in power in the nation should take priority over fears of traumatizing people. Vexedelbasy (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

How many "war crimes" has nato commited?? Sad how biased Wikipedia is 2804:4FFC:423:ED00:650B:C000:2654:3B00 (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

As if the corrupt puppet government the americans put in power was any better. At least the talibans are natives, not puppets of the west 2804:4FFC:423:ED00:650B:C000:2654:3B00 (talk) 13:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@2804:4FFC:423:ED00:650B:C000:2654:3B00: this is not a political forum. Refrain from making such comments.--Karma1998 (talk) 19:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Overall HDI of the country

There is a separate Wikipedia page about the HDI of regions in Afghanistan including the average HDI. This data is as of this year. Perhaps the HDI for Afghanistan should be updated. 84.49.127.81 (talk) 06:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Siberian Tigers in Afghanistan?

Looking at the Goegraphy->Biodiversity section, there is a claim that Siberian Tigers are present in Afghanistan. This conflicts with the Siberian Tiger Wikipedia page that lists the present range as nowhere near Afghanistan. The single source used for this paragraph says, "The snow leopard, perhaps a rare Siberian Tiger, and brown bears occur…" I think it's a stretch to list Siberian Tigers without additional sources and/or substantial caveats. Alex.c.beveridge (talk) 20:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I would agree with you the only source's I could find talking about tigers in Afghanistan were referencing the extinct Caspian Tiger once living there. Wilmanman77 (talk) 10:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Not a single country recognize this flag as the flag of Afghanistan

Why is Wikipedia using this flag as the official flag of Afghanistan? Not a single country recognize this flag as the flag of Afghanistan. Why is Wikipedia different on these issues when it comes to Crimea. More countries recognize Crimea as part of Russia than recognize the current Afghan government. Yasarhossain07 (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The flag isn't decided by other nation's recognition. The flags for other nations that are disputed are still shown such as Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus. etc which all have very few international recognition. Kayhan313 (talk) 18:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Taraki death has incorrect month

Taraki death has incorrect month. He was assassinated in October 1979, not September (the Afghanistan article says September): Nur Muhammad Taraki Uráli001 (talk) 14:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Uráli001 Corrected. Noorullah (talk) 02:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Pls add farsi as our official language as well

How is it possible to deny that we also speak farsi? Also, in the cultural part you mention persian literature. So pls add also farsi 178.197.223.224 (talk) 22:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

its officially called dari in afghanistan nd its mentioned 2400:ADC1:475:6800:B8CC:F31C:4F9B:4CE3 (talk) 12:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

That is not the flag of afghanistan, it should not be promoted as official flag. That is taliban flag not Afghanistan flag Sky22333 (talk) 23:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

This is not the officially recognized flag of Afghanistan

Why is de facto flag used here when the de jure flag in the UN and every other country is a different one. Yasarhossain07 (talk) 02:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

According to the thread on the top, flags are not decided by international recognitions. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahmad Shah Faqiri

2400:ADCA:10A:2400:10D2:5EB7:FB15:335F (talk) 07:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2024

Average USA patriot (talk) 01:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)I want to add the anthem for the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

ok, then i want too add the audio file for the anthem 'this is the home of the brave'. Average USA patriot (talk) 07:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

irwani

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 August 2024

Update population figures to 35.7 million as estimated by the current government. Asfandyar Shafi (talk) 13:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This conflicts with the current number (~41,000,000) as per the World Bank. Please gain consensus for the change on this talk page, and reopen this request if consensus was gained. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 18:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2024

I want to change the flag of Afghanistan which is now tricolors instead of white shown in the article. Aamirkhan2k18 (talk) 05:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current flag is the flag promoted by Taliban, also reflects here Bunnypranav (talk) 07:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 September 2024

39.40.61.219 (talk) 10:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Rainsage (talk) 06:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Change the state religion to "(Hanafi) Sunni Islam" as this is what the government believes in.

The information about Afghanistan is going to be changed By Talibans

The Taliban tryto change everything for themselves and they are changing all information about Afghanistan. At the first the Flag of Afghanistan is not white, that is from Taliban, Wikipedia please fix this problem. 2A02:3037:615:8C5F:3D5D:AEAA:929C:3D9A (talk) 09:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Which revisions to the article in the last few months do you believe to have been made by Taliban? The flag of a country is whatever its government says it is. The Taliban are in control of the government, so the flag is what they say it is. Largoplazo (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2024

99.209.189.162 (talk) 17:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

My request for this page is to remove terroreists Taliban flag and put Afghanistan real flag. Black, White and green. And also the first language is Persian and more than 48% of population were Persians 2 years ago but, do you think that it deffietly changed to 42% pashtun? isn't it funny?

yu better change it, other way, you are supporting terrorist and it is against the law.

 Not done: Reality has nothing to do with supporting terrorism. The reality is that the Taliban run the country and the country's flag is what they say it is.

Regarding the language, I don't know how you think 48% speaking Persian and 42% speaking Pashto, which add up to 90%, represents a "change". In any event, we can't change the numbers based personal impressions, we need to go by what reliable sources say. Largoplazo (talk) 17:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)