Wikipedia talk:WikiProject North Macedonia/Archive 2
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Why is he here?
Why is the article Hristo Uzunov included in this article (under recent articles). He is credited as a Bulgarian, ergo... Politis (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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Алшар is Allchar or Alshar
I wanted to create an article about the Алшар mine and I now have no clue which of the two transcriprtions is the right one, Allchar or Alshar. Both are found in literature. Thanks for the help.--Stone (talk) 19:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
- Going by the transliteration system preferred by the Macedonian Academy, I think it would be Alšar. --Local hero talk 19:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! Is this also the prefered transliteration for English speakers? --Stone (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well, English speakers are not into diacritics. Best would be Alshar, but having in mind the opinion around here, it'd have to be something unreadable for most native English speakers (or at least those that are unfamiliar with diacritics, which is the vast majority). --Laveol T 11:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! Is this also the prefered transliteration for English speakers? --Stone (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
- It should be Alšar. I don't think that this is unreadable about the English speaking readers, because the articles on English Wikipedia are named with their original name in latin alphabet. In Macedonian latin alphabet exists letter š (form the cyrillic ш), as in the other latin alphabets exist letters like ş, or ð, and thereby articles on English Wikipedia named with this letters in the titles. If you assume good faith to alleviate it for the English speaking readers, propose renaming of all articles with non-English letters in the titles. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- The problem here is that pushing from users using diacritics has led to the encyclopaedia going backwards from its initial goals. It should be readable to English speakers not native speakers of the language of the specific place. That's what Wikipedia:Naming still states. It's the English-language Wikipedia, but tons of people tend to forget that. The only ones interested in those articles sadly are the very ones who push the diacritics. I've talked to English and Americans and they say they don't know what these letters mean, neither do they know how to read them. So, basically the encyclopaedia as it is, is not as hospitable to English speakers as it could've been.--Laveol T 13:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe if we ask for changes together, it'll be changed. You have my support in it. But, recently I've found that to all articles with non-sens letters for English speaking readers redirect articles with letters in English alphabet (i.e. Timisoara redirects to Timişoara). With this, it seems there is no problem for English speaking readers, not just to find, but to learn some more with these letters. I assure you that the English speakers had it in mind, when creating these articles.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- The problem here is that pushing from users using diacritics has led to the encyclopaedia going backwards from its initial goals. It should be readable to English speakers not native speakers of the language of the specific place. That's what Wikipedia:Naming still states. It's the English-language Wikipedia, but tons of people tend to forget that. The only ones interested in those articles sadly are the very ones who push the diacritics. I've talked to English and Americans and they say they don't know what these letters mean, neither do they know how to read them. So, basically the encyclopaedia as it is, is not as hospitable to English speakers as it could've been.--Laveol T 13:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- The appropriate title is Alšar. English-speakers don't know what 'š' means but it's not a big problem. We could add the IPA transcritption or write "also spelt Alshar" in the intro. --Local hero talk 18:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- The naming convention for the articles is the way that the name used in English books and journals should be used. For this Allchar or Alshar we have already transcription in the literature and this one should be used. Sorry for the real transcription. I only wanted to ask if one of the two is the right one, I did not ask for a third one which is unknown in the literature. But with the introduction of ne forms into the english language we also have to change vienna and nuremberg.--Stone (talk) 19:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
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Anyone here active? If So....
Please take a look at the edit request on Republic of Macedonia. The edit request has been up for more than a week, and not responded to at all. I often try to help resolve these edit requests, but am hesitant to do so on a topic I have no knowledge about that is so contentious that it's under discretionary sanctions. If anyone here could please respond to the request (determining whether or not the article should be changed as the IP requests), it would be helpful. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
German soldier that dropped his gun to stand besides Yugoslav partisans about to be shot. Help would be needed to find sources offline and in Serbo-Croat, especially about the monument in Lokve.walk victor falk talk 07:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Football Women's
Maybe a native could have a look at this, i just created the article. Macedonian women's football championship. Champions from the earlier years would be nice to add. -Koppapa (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
taor
IN VIETNAM [1968] TAOR referred to a patrol conducted from a base to prevent enemy[ VC and NVA]FROM approaching by stealth. TAOR stood for TACTICAL AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. THESE patrols conducted by Australian troops based at Nui Dat successfully prevented mortar and rocket attacks on the base and disrupted approach by the enemy; the patrols were an onerous task, commanded by N.C. O' s who had often just returned ftom very long operations in the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.76.234 (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Skopje 2014
My fellow Macedonians, i need your help.
I want to create article about entire Skopje 2014 project, and i want you to start it.
It is now just a redirect, as i was shocked that none of you created this already. Now, c'mon. Lets cooperative, and create important article for Republic of Macedonia and world architecture. --WhiteWriter speaks 00:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- I've just started working on it at my sandbox. I'm not sure how long it will take since it's a very big project. Sorry for taking over a year to get this started, lol. --Local hero talk 21:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Makedonium
Its me again. Now i am asking for Makedonium monument, in Kruševo. I hope that response will be better then for Skopje 2014... --WhiteWriter speaks 17:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Pagemoves
Hey, I've noticed a user is moving lots of Macedonian geo pages, apparently to remove diacritics from the article titles. This appears to be against your MOS, but the user cites a law that perhaps may change things. You can see the list here. --JaGatalk 23:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've opened a discussion at WT:CYRILLIC. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- BTW this tool helps one keep an eye on mass pagemoves, if anyone is interested in that sort of thing... --JaGatalk 06:02, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
List of Yugoslav World War II monuments and memorials
Hello! I wanted to inform you that new page was created few days ago.
List of Yugoslav World War II monuments and memorials
And i wanted to invite you to add monuments from your country, and create your local list. --WhiteWriter speaks 15:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Republic of Macedonia will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in the Republic of Macedonia's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Template:Largest cities of the Republic of Macedonia
Can someone take a look at Template:Largest cities of the Republic of Macedonia. I am in a bit of a dispute with an IP about the layout and the numbers he adds to the template. Some help in the form of more opinions would be welcome before the discussion turns sour. Night of the Big Wind talk 22:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
"Macedonian army"
The usage of the title Macedonian army is under discussion, see Talk:Army of Macedon. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 04:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Perth requested-move notification
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File:Teodosij.jpg
File:Teodosij.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 03:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Help needed
Does anyone have time to help in taking WP:Naming conventions (Cyrillic) from current draft to RfC for adoption as a guideline? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Specifically I wonder if someone could please provide a suitable example of a notable/stable article lead for WP:MACEDONIANNAMES. The Kazakh example is Nursultan Nazarbayev, the Russian example Vladimir Putin, the Serbian example Ivo Andrić. Thanks in advance. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- How about one of these: Ljube Boškoski, Vlado Bučkovski, Ljubčo Georgievski, Kiro Gligorov, Nikola Gruevski, Zoran Jolevski, or Kočo Racin. --Local hero talk 13:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 09:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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Татковина
I would like to have the words for the folk song Татковина in Cyrillic. I have a rather bad transcription and was not able to find the original on the internet. The below is the fruit of my amateurish effort of reinterpreting the transcription. Can someone please correct it, or at least correct some of the gravest spelling errors? I'm pretty sure I must have missed some ш, ч, љ, њ, ж, џ, ѕ, з, ќ or ѓ, because the transcription did not distinguish them.
мн подарн пролета сонце
јас наѕмевка нежна и пратив
а сега во срцево мое
љубовта нежна се класи
татковино поле сирно
мирво света гора
татковино поле роѕно
љубовта е моја
Thanks, — Sebastian 18:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and I could also need a little help with the pronunciation. I had thought Macedonian Cyrillic was phonetically very accurate, but I'm wondering why it spells "мое", rather than "моје". Is this really pronounced without a "ј"? Or is it a convention to leave out "ј" before "е"? If so, how would the unpalatized /e/ be pronounced? (Similarly, I'm wondering why it is "пролета", and not "прољета".) — Sebastian 18:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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2015
Hi! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.119.75.110 (talk) 09:21, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
The article has been probably translated. It's unsourced and contains strange words odavde and odande, probably self-coined Dogwood Mountain.Xx236 (talk) 06:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
True History
The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, was until the dissolvation part of Yugoslavia. The term FYROM is internationally acknowledged by the European Union and the United Nations. The name Macedonia derives from the Greek name Μακεδονία which was the kingdom of Alexander the Great situated in northen Greece and its area covered regions that expand from Pella (Πέλλα) birthplace of Alexander to the southern regions of today's Blugaria and FYROM. The empire built by Alexander expanded in the later years until today's Afganistan, Pakistan and the final place Alexander and his army reached was India. The later occupiers of the area in the northen part of the Empire in the regions of FYROM and Bulgaria are slavic, they do not have anything in common with Alexander the Great, who was Greek and proof of this fact is the letter that he wrote to the Athenians and was placed on the Parthenon and stated "all the Greeks except the Spartians" "Όλοι οι Έλληνες πλην των Λακεδαιμωνίων". The current citizens of FYROM are in their majority slavs and there is a big Albanian minority. The oficcial alphabet of the country is the cyrilic, which was also created by two Greek monks Cyrilus and Methodios during the Byzantine times for the Slavic populations that at the time occupied, also, a big part of today's Greece.The aplhabet shares many similarities to the Greek one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.227.44 (talk) 10:01, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Cannabis in Macedonia needs improvement
We have a new article Cannabis in Macedonia, but it could really use improvement and expansion, especially from anyone who can read Macedonian sources. With a little polishing, it'd also be really useful to make a translated version for Macedonian Wikipedia since it's a topic of increasing interesting these days. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Category:Serbian period in the history of the Republic of Macedonia
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Looking for input
Hi. I am looking for input at an AfD for a Macedonian author from members of this project. The AfD is here: WP:Articles for deletion/Danilo Kocevski. Thanks in advance---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Yugoslavia vs. Serbia and Montenegro at the Olympics
Hello, we would like your input on where FR Yugoslavia's results at the Olympics should be listed. Here is the relevant discussion. JoshMartini007 (talk) 18:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Republic of Macedonia History and Facts
there is no such a state as Republic of macedonia. FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) is the accepted form as it was born by Tito for internal puproses. By accepting the existence of a republic of macedonia it will creat sequence of territorial problems as the Majority of Macedonia is in Greece. It is definete that in the future the so called macedonians will look after Macedonia in Greece. We all know what Macedonia was as Sparta Athens Theves Argos Mycenae Troy etc. All were ancient city states with large territorial influences. Al Macedonia names have a meaning translated in Greek such Alexander (Alex=keep away-protect+Andro=men) we still find the words in currently used greek words such as αλεξικεραυνο (keeping away the thunders) and αλεξισφαιρο (Bullet safe vests)...The name of his horse Voukefalas meaning Head of cow and Hiss father was Philipp (Friend of horses) and his mother Olympia etc etc. Anyway besides that their culture and language is Slavic regardless their effor to Macedonize their language. It is hestorically also accepted worldwide that all the legacy left behind by Alexander the Great (who spoke Greek and his teacher was Aristoteles) is known as the Hellenistic period. Anyway, I do not have anything against the people of FYROM but they must know they are grown on lies and they should adopt name according to their history. Because the macedonia History is identical to the Greek History. Thanx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.67.158 (talk) 17:38, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Republic of Macedonia has been nominated for discussion
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Requested move 15 February 2019
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Speedy moved: we've already had a bajillion recent RMs about the Macedonia thing, the consensus is clear that any pages with Republic of Macedonia in the title are to be moved to North Macedonia, any further ones can be filed as technical requests. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Republic of Macedonia → Wikipedia:WikiProject North Macedonia
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Republic of Macedonia → Wikipedia talk:WikiProject North Macedonia
– Country's official name has changed as a result of the Prespa agreement. Other former Rep. of Macedonia articles, categories, templates, etc. are in the process of being renamed/moved; I would like to start a discussion about renaming this page as well (and all of its subpages, etc so nothing breaks). HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 07:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- there is nothing to discuss since we already reached consensus on the North Macedonia page which is the "parent page" to all the rest. We just need to do the move, which I did, but someone reversed me instead of fixing the subpages. Legacypac (talk) 10:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support move, as parent pages are being moved and country name has officially changed. @Local hero: says they "don't see how the WikiProject name should automatically change as a result of the agreement", but there is no reason they should not. As it stands, the title is inaccurate and at odds with the parent pages. All pages that link here should be redirected, and all subpages should be renamed. Smith(talk)
- Indeed please do remember to move all of the subpages instead of just lazily moving the main page and then moving on. Thanks. --Local hero talk 13:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Which you could have worked on instead of reversing my move while I was working on getting some page protections removed so I could do more moves in this cluster of pages. Legacypac (talk) 19:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, you moved this page, disregarded the mess of red links that that caused here and never looked back (except to try to move the talkpage template, nothing with the subpages). But this is beside the point now, it just needs to be ensured that this is done correctly. --Local hero talk 20:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Which you could have worked on instead of reversing my move while I was working on getting some page protections removed so I could do more moves in this cluster of pages. Legacypac (talk) 19:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support but this has to be done carefully. I have seen quite a few page moves which either were done wrongly, or had wrong titles. --✿ SilentResident ✿ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 19:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support, aligning with North Macedonia. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template WP change
The WikiProject Template still states Republic of.... It should state North Macedonia. It is time to change it. But I guess a consensus is needed.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:24, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Requested moves discussion of North Macedonia stub templates
At Template talk:North_Macedonia-stub#Requested_move_4_March_2019, there is a discussion of a proposal to rename 54 stub templates from "RMacedonia-topic-stub" to "NorthMacedonia-topic-stub". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
References to the Republic of Macedonia or Macedonia (the country) on related pages should change to Republic of North Macedonia or North Macedonia respectively
In January 2019, the former Republic of Macedonia changed its name to Republic of North Macedonia after an agreement with Greece which ended the long pending naming dispute. The corresponding page has already changed, but there are many references to the Republic of Macedonia left on other pages. Those should change to Republic of North Macedonia. Vemman (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
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Explanation
A few IPs (I guess the same person) tried to add some further explanation on the topic of this Wikiproject. @Future Perfect at Sunrise:, @Local hero: and I reverted them. However, after a discussion with @Peacemaker67:, I started to wonder if further explanation on the topic is needed. For instance, would WikiProject North Macedonia is a WikiProject whose aim is to increase the quality of articles related to North Macedonia and Macedonians. It is not focussed on articles relating to Ancient Macedonia or Greek Macedonia, which are covered by WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome and WikiProject Greece respectively
be better than the current description of the topic? Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:00, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- Well, since it's now called "WikiProject North Macedonia", it should be pretty evident that it deals with North Macedonia, shouldn't it? And of course, WikiProject members are quite free to deal with whatever they wish, so if members of this project started a quality drive on articles related to ancient topics or related to the ethnic Macedonian diaspora history in Greece, what would stop them? But that's all moot, since the "project" is moribund anyway. Like so many other so-called WikiProjects, it's been doing essentially nothing at all for a decade. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- Quite. As a non-project member but with a long-term interest in Balkans articles, I've just been bold and added this based on discussion with Ktrimi991. I'm completely relaxed about being reverted if this is considered overkill by project members. I have checked ARBMAC and I don't think it contravenes the ruling, as all it does is direct people to the right places if they are here by mistake, in the same way a hatnote does. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:24, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- The issue is that the word "Macedonian" has several meanings. It is related to the name of this Wikiproject that is "North Macedonia" just like it is related to "Ancient Macedonia" and "Greek Macedonia". Like Peacemaker67, I am not against reverting to the previous version if the consensus of the project members demands that. But this short explanation could help avoid further conflicts between editors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- But there was no such ambiguity in the description as stated. There is nothing confusing or ambiguous about "articles related to North Macedonia and Macedonians". We don't normally define the scope of WikiProjects in terms of what they are not, so why would we do that here? (Other than for the purpose of forcing imagined scare quotes around the names, as people have so often tried.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- You do not see any ambiguity, and I too do not see (hence I reverted one of the IPs yesterday). But others might see (similarily with the IPs) as the long history of the discussions on the Macedonia topic has shown in almost two decades of Wikipedia. After a discussion on Peacemaker67's talk page, he and I concluded that a proposal here aimed at avoiding further disagreements between editors would bring no harm. So please do not turn this simple discussion into a debate over imaginary scare quotes and purposes, whatever you mean with that. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 14:45, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- But there was no such ambiguity in the description as stated. There is nothing confusing or ambiguous about "articles related to North Macedonia and Macedonians". We don't normally define the scope of WikiProjects in terms of what they are not, so why would we do that here? (Other than for the purpose of forcing imagined scare quotes around the names, as people have so often tried.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- The issue is that the word "Macedonian" has several meanings. It is related to the name of this Wikiproject that is "North Macedonia" just like it is related to "Ancient Macedonia" and "Greek Macedonia". Like Peacemaker67, I am not against reverting to the previous version if the consensus of the project members demands that. But this short explanation could help avoid further conflicts between editors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- Quite. As a non-project member but with a long-term interest in Balkans articles, I've just been bold and added this based on discussion with Ktrimi991. I'm completely relaxed about being reverted if this is considered overkill by project members. I have checked ARBMAC and I don't think it contravenes the ruling, as all it does is direct people to the right places if they are here by mistake, in the same way a hatnote does. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:24, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
If anyone can provide sources to expand this, please ping me, or just edit it. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 12:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
CfD nomination of Category:Ethnic Macedonian minorities
Category:Ethnic Macedonian minorities has been nominated for merging with Category:Macedonian diaspora. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. Place Clichy (talk) 15:29, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Kate Marie Byrnes up for Deletion
- Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
- Kate Marie Byrnes (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion
U.S. Ambassador to Macedonia. Career diplomat. Question of sources and citations. WP:BEFORE. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:12, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
language check
Can someone please check this edit Agathoclea (talk) 12:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Category:Demographics of the Western Balkans has been nominated for discussion
Category:Demographics of the Western Balkans has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Cyrillic el
There is a discussion at WP:VPT#Cyrillic letter el about the alternative form (Ʌ ʌ) of the Cyrillic letter el, which is used in the Macedonian language which members of this WikiProject may wish to join. Mjroots (talk) 06:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Make WikiProject Ottoman Empire a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries?
Dear users of this WikiProject:
At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Former_countries#Make_WikiProject_Ottoman_Empire_a_task_force_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Former_countries? I have left a proposal to convert Wikipedia:WikiProject Ottoman Empire into a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries. I asked this project (as all or parts of this country was/were formerly in the Ottoman Empire) and several other projects to get further feedback. Please let me know if you have questions, comments, or objections.
Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Igor Janusev
Igor Janusev need references.Djflem (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
First women MP(s) in North Macedonia
Hello. I'm compiling a list of the first women MPs in each country, but have been unable to find the answer for North Macedonia. I'm guessing they would have been elected in the 1945 Yugoslavian parliamentary election or possibly one of the early elections to the legislature of SR Macedonia. If anyone can point me to a definitive source, it would be much appreciated. Cheers, Number 57 18:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Discussion of interest
Members of this project might be interested in this discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Election dates
Morning
Can someone who has sufficient knowledge of the political systems confirm the succession date as these two articles appear to be conflicting with each other and I'm not happy trying to use machine translations to figure it out. Zoran Zaev Dimitar Kovačevski
Amortias (T)(C) 09:12, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- It appears to have occurred on 16 January. --Local hero talk 17:16, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)
and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Balkan Latinity WikiProject
Hello, I've been thinking for a while of an idea for a new and certainly needed WikiProject. The Aromanians/Vlachs, Megleno-Romanians/Meglenites and Istro-Romanians/Ćiribirci are poorly known peoples in the Balkans, the only ones that are Romance-speaking apart of the Romanians. Tagging pages related to these with WikiProject templates can turn problematic, see this talk page for example [1], saturated with 7 different templates. I was thus thinking that giving them their own WikiProject could increase organization on Wikipedia about info on these peoples and increase their representation in the project, perhaps even attracting members of these groups into working at Wikipedia. The project could be split into three task forces for each of the three.
If you're interested, please ping me here or message me on my talk page. Expressing your interest in the existence of such a project is enough, you will not be compromised or pressured into working in a topic area you might lose interest to soon. After (if) I recruit enough support, I will start a formal proposal and ping you there. Regards, Super Ψ Dro 20:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Help on Eastern European languages
Hello!
Our of boredom, I am trying to identify the languages of inscriptions on a fountain located in central Budapest. I could easily identify some languages such as Hebrew, Armenian, Russian, English, French, Spanish etc. but I have trouble with some, mostly Slavic, languages which I do not speak myself. I guess that they must include Czech (or Slovak), Slovene, Croatian/Serbian/Bosniak, Macedonian, Bulgarian and/or maybe others.
Translations of 'The place is ours
':
- Trg je naš / Площадьт е наш (pretty sure that's Bulgarian) / Naš trg / Nas trg / [unreadable] naše je námestie
Translations of 'Non potable water
':
- Водата не е за пиене / Voda ni pitna / Непитна вода / Nepitná voda / Nepitka voda / Voda nije za piće
Translations of 'Open lawn
':
- Ходенето по тревата е разрешено / Dozvoljeno je gaziti (ǧaziti?) po travi / Dozvoljeno gaženje trave
I also do not manage to identify the language in 3 other inscriptions for which glossaries easily available online did not help. Could it be Romani?
- Náj lasó ráji / Ámáro szi o placo / Pécsár saj ustarén
Is anyone here able to tell which is which? Note that many inscriptions (such as in French and Greek) have spelling mistakes and inconsistent respect of diacritics.
Pictures of the fountain:
Place Clichy (talk) 15:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, I believe all of the Cyrillic inscriptions are in Bulgarian. --Local hero talk 16:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Talk:Bujar Osmani
Hi. Would someone please help out at Talk:Bujar Osmani and its article? There's some debate about how to describe his nationality/ethnicity, which I'm sure one of the regulars here could help with. ping @Storchy: Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi zzuuzz. My involvement has only (knowingly) been trivial reverts of obvious vandalism. I'm aware there's a de jure definition of nationality in the Prespa agreement, but there might also be a differing de facto usage per WP:COMMONNAME or similar.
- I don't have the required expertise to contribute to a discussion on how to describe nationals of North Macedonia in articles, but I'm happy to continue keeping one eye on the Osmani article for vandalism when semi-protection expires, according to whatever consensus is reached. Storchy (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Another editor has just heroically pointed out a relevant MOS entry for this, WP:MOSMAC: [2]. Storchy (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello. For future references, please check Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). Nationality is given priority in this case, rather than ethnicity. User:StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Discussion about Macedonian Orthodox Church
Hello. A discussion regarding a potential title change of the Macedonian Orthodox Church article is currently happening. People here can participate in the discussion if they want to and if they're able to. User:StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Moscopole#Requested_move_9_October_2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Moscopole#Requested_move_9_October_2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.Alexikoua (talk) 00:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Slavomacedonia
The redirects Slavomacedonia and Slavo-Macedonia have been nominated for discussion at RfD. You are invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18#Slavomacedonia. Thryduulf (talk) 01:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Request for input at 2001 insurgency in Macedonia
Your participation in a proposed merge of Vaksince Attack and Vaksince offensive into 2001 insurgency in Macedonia is requested as a WikiProject related to its topic. Please add your opinions at the 2001 insurgency in Macedonia talk page signed, Rosguill talk 23:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
FAR for Macedonia (terminology)
User:Buidhe has nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
FAR for Macedonia (terminology)
User:Buidhe has nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
FAR for Macedonia (terminology)
User:Buidhe has nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Small Proposal
This thread was suggested by StephenMacky its mostly about a continuation of a previous discussion right here, in it i suggested we raise the importance bar for Goce Delchev from mid to high since Goce Delchev is one of if not the biggest Macedonian revolutionary in MRO, does anyone else agree with this idea so we can raise the bar? Gurther (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
RFC at Torbeši
Hello, there is an active RFC occurring at Talk:Torbeši#Request_for_comment. --Local hero talk 19:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
First statute of the IMRO has an RFC
First statute of the IMRO, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. StephenMacky1 (talk) 21:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
Hello WikiProject North Macedonia:
WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!
Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.
We hope to see you there!
Grnrchst (talk) 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)B-checklist in project template
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council § Determining the future of B-class checklists. This project is being notified since it is one of the 82 WikiProjects that opted-in to support B-checklists (B1-B6) in your project banner. DFlhb (talk) 11:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Request for input on post-Yugoslav-breakup election article naming
We had a discussion relisted at Talk:May 1992 Yugoslavian parliamentary election#Requested move 3 November 2023 that could benefit from the input of people who have knowledge of this topic area, please check it out. --Joy (talk) 09:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Macedonian Nationality
The nationality of the citizens of North Macedonia is Macedonian. They are Macedonians as defined by any official document. Please see: I. United Nations Treaty Collection - No. 55707 https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/No%20Volume/55707/Part/I-55707-0800000280544ac1.pdf link to Greek MFA: https://www.mfa.gr/images/docs/eidikathemata/agreement.pdf Link to Macedonian MFA: https://vlada.mk/sites/default/files/dokumenti/spogodba-en.pdf ARTICLE 1 3. Pursuant to those negotiations the following have been mutually accepted and agreed: a) The official name of the Second Party shall be the “Republic of North Macedonia”, which shall be the constitutional name of the Second Party and shall be used erga omnes, as provided for in this Agreement. The short name of the Second Party shall be “North Macedonia”. b) The nationality of the Second Party shall be Macedonian/citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia, as it will be registered in all travel documents. c) The official language of the Second Party shall be the “Macedonian language”, as recognised by the Third UN Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names, held in Athens in 1977, and described in Article 7(3) and (4) of this Agreement. d) The terms “Macedonia” and “Macedonian” have the meaning given under Article 7 of this Agreement. II. The referred name, as well, of the country is “Macedonia” and “Macedonian” in relation to ARTICLE 7: 1. The Parties acknowledge that their respective understanding of the terms “Macedonia” and “Macedonian” refers to a different historical context and cultural heritage. 2. When reference is made to the First Party, these terms denote not only the area and people of the northern region of the First Party, but also their attributes, as well as the Hellenic civilization, history, culture, and heritage of that region from antiquity to present day. 3. When reference is made to the Second Party, these terms denote its territory, language, people and their attributes, with their own history, culture, and heritage, distinctly different from those referred to under Article 7(2). 4. The Second Party notes that its official language, the Macedonian language, is within the group of South Slavic languages. The Parties note that the official language and other attributes of the Second Party are not related to the ancient Hellenic civilization, history, culture and heritage of the northern region of the First Party. So please use them as stated in official documents and treaties. 89.205.58.32 (talk) 15:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Macedonian studies article
In case you missed it I just wanted to point out here that the article Macedonian studies is once again nominated for deletion. I tried to expand it a bit, but it is not really my area of any substantial expertise. If you may have access to some relevant (offline) sources in Macedonian or other languages you may consider contributing to the article in question and/or to discussion taking place. Best regards.--MirkoS18 (talk) 09:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Starting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest (WP:DCWC)! Think of it as a WikiCup but only for articles and media on developing countries.
Competitors may submit GAs, GTs, FAs, FTs, FLs, FPs, and DYK and ITN entries from/on developing countries to gain points and climb the leaderboard. Points are also awarded to those who review GAs, FAs and FLs.
North Macedonia is listed as a developing country for the purposes of this contest and articles related to it are eligible to be submitted for points, so I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content!
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Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 07:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)