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Archive 53

Requested move at Talk:UniTeam Alliance#Requested move 10 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:UniTeam Alliance#Requested move 10 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 13:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

"big in PH" and/or "big in Asia" musical artists, and popular Western music in East/SE Asia, again

it has been just months since I opened threads about musical artists mostly known in PH or Asia (including or excluding Japan), and the thing about Western music in radio in PH and elsewhere in Asia here, but I have been able to discover some sources (mostly archived Billboard articles) that could help with this question. Some points are with Asians' (specifically E and SE Asians) fondness for the sentimental ballad and softer music (both local and international), the trend in the 90s for Western artists (particularly those who have few to no chart hits in the likes of the Billboard charts as the 90s entered due to the trend toward alternative rock and hip-hop during that decade, as well as many newer Australian acts from that time such as Rick Price, Obsession, etc.) to take on the Asian music market, and demand for Western music for use in karaoke.

One particular note, I just took hold of some Billboard articles in regard to Tiffany, resolving to some degree the question why PH stations continue to play some of her softer, sentimental songs such as "Could've Been", "All This Time, "If Love is Blind" and "Can't You See" (or even the album track "Hearts Never Lie"). Ah, Tiffany remained popular across East and Southeast Asia as the 90s entered, and her debut album in 1986 sold at least ~500,000 across Asia. Just added sources and these findings to her main article as well as the 1993 album containing "If Love Is Blind" and "Can't You See" (which had some sentences requiring cites). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 00:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

List of Rainbow Rumble episodes

Is this list article even necessary? At the very least, it can be merged with Rainbow Rumble#Episodes but focusing on salient details: episode date, team name, contestants (in linear list like this that I am writing now, not bulleted/vertical list), and the episode winner. We don't need to know the ratings of each episode; that may be leaning to WP:FANCRUFT, which is an issue in many Philippine showbiz articles. The list itself is FANCRUFT to me, and multiple sources are WP:NIS and non-independent (e.g. ABS-CBN Entertainment) and are from social media like Instagram, but WP:RSPINSTAGRAM and WP:SOCIALMEDIA. Notable game shows of the past like Kapamilya, Deal or No Deal and Game Ka Na Ba? do not even have separate episode list articles. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I also have an issue similar to this concerning the article Kalokalike: Face 4, which the creator of this article also made. If you look at the sections Daily Rounds and Semi-Finals, you will see that each episode is highly detailed, from the contestants and their acts, down to the names of the judges and their ratings of those contestants. Most cited references point to video clips of episodes published by those non-independent of the subject.

Overall, the sections function like a very detailed list of each episode (like a database) which may or failing WP:NOTDATABASE. It also makes the article look more like a stand-alone list instead of a normal article. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind if these were soap operas. But game shows somewhat fall into a WP:ROUTINE category of television programming without a dynamic narrative to justify branch articles. Borgenland (talk) 14:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

On top of that, several entries in Category:Lists of Philippine drama television series episodes may need to be reviewed for possible issues like WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NIS. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Started now the deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Rainbow Rumble episodes. All succeeding comments are best posted there instead of this discussion thread. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Marco Masa

See Talk:Marco Masa (actor). It is ridiculous to keep the disambig. Borgenland (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

2025 Philippine general election/2025 Philippine local elections

There have been articles sprouting around, more so on local elections. These are all using the old {{Election box}} templates, which are clunky, and you still need a calculator. The national elections are all using {{Election results}} now, and are automatically calculated. These are series of articles are not consistent and we should move on to {{Election results}} as most people do not bother to add percentages anyway, so the new templates avoids that. See 2022 Manila local elections on how it looks.

Also, candidate lists also violate MOS:COLHEAD. We should probably find a new way to present these lists.

Tagging @IIgnacio, @BhlJRama, @Einahr, @Jpg0813, @WhiteStar2000, @PH 0447, @EdrianJustine, @James100000, @Jethski05 to have the results tables converted to the templates, so that our senate elections and local elections all look consistent. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Maguindanaon

Hello! I am a Maguindanaon native speaker so basically I started making translations for the infobox template for the language in the incubator. I may have some questions regarding the template for the infobox. Thanks! Bangsa Manusia (talk) 04:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Bangsa Manusia. Glad to hear that a Maguindanaon Wikipedia is coming! What are your questions about the infobox? I presume this is for the Incubator? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 10:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I wanna know where to find the list of infobox templates in order to translate every templates so nothing's left behind. Thanks Bangsa Manusia (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

As templates are frequently created and deleted, there isn't really a master list. You may be best copying over a selection you find needed for the needs of Maguindanaon Wiki. For this see mediawikiwiki:Help:Templates#Copying from one wiki to another. CMD (talk) 13:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm currently translating in translatewiki but I'll look it up next time Bangsa Manusia (talk) 08:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Philippines news archives

I'm currently working on a draft for 1967's Typhoon Anita, however, I haven't been able to find a lot of news covering it, despite killing at least 52 people (20 direct, 32 indirect). Are there any news archives in the Philippines which include news that dates back to 1967 or older? Tavantius (talk) 16:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You may try seeing the New York Times on that. Borgenland (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tavantius: Online, there is practically none. You may have some luck looking at periodical archives in some physical libraries like the National Library of the Philippines, but I myself have not been able to visit to check if they (or other libraries) have good periodical archives. If you can broaden the scope to use non-Philippine sources, you can try to use news sources from The Wikipedia Library, but most of those newspapers will, of course, not be Filipino. Chlod (say hi!) 16:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Rizal Library has them in microfilm. Borgenland (talk) 16:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Your best bets are what you can find elsewhere. Google Newspaper Archive has Philippine entries, and the earliest go only up to 1987 via the Manila Standard. The Global Press Archive has a Southeast Asian collection that includes the Philippines; these are during the American occupation of the country in the early 20th century.

So for your specific question, there are next to none in the internet, but if you want to go to a library there should be something that you can find. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

For older periodicals, I usually recommend the UP Diliman Main Library Open Access Repository. That said, not everything is digitized: their coverage of 1967 is scant, with the only news-related periodicals available being a few issues of The Bicol Star and the Philippine Panorama. Not sure if any of those could help, but if there are digitized newspaper archives available, you will need to access them from the library in question (usually the Ateneo de Manila's Rizal Library or the National Library's collections). --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 16:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Divisions section in infoboxes of provincial articles

I'm not sure if this has already been discussed (did a quick search of the archives) but I think listing all cities and municipalities under a Template:Collapsible list in the infobox is too much detail and is basically redundant with the corresponding section in the article body. See Pangasinan for an example. I think it's enough to state how many cities and municipalities a province has in the infobox but not to list all of them there. —seav (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

See also Metro Manila's infobox. I'd agree on this, like x municipalities, y component cities, also associated with z independent component/highly urbanized cities. Also, we'd also do not have to list every board member or councilor. Just the party standing like (PFP 5, Lakas 5, nonpartisan 2) should suffice.

Also, since we're into LGU articles, several articles all elected officials as "Members of the municipal council", e.g. La Trinidad, Benguet#Elected officials. Contrast that with Iba, Zambales#Government which does it right; only the councilors and the vice mayor are members of the Sangguniang Bayan, I'd even include the ABC, SK and IPMR (if any) as members. I'd rather do this after the election, and remove such captions, and just call it as "Elected officials". Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

What's our course of action here, removed such collapsible lists in infoboxes? There are just 82 provinces, and is doable. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I !vote to delete the lists. Not sure if we should just indicate numbers, or add a link like with Guiuan (and other city/municipality articles), and/or add a footnote about ICCs and HUCs. —seav (talk) 01:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I've checked California and Bali, first-level subdivisions, and they don't have something like this in the infobox. I've searched further, and we can emulate what Hauts-de-Seine does. I'd be wary on HUCs and ICCs; these should be clearly distinguished that those are not under provinces. Here in Wikipedia, I've seen "Naga is geographically in Camarines Sur"... which doesn't make sense as Camarines Sur is a province and a natural feature. Even if say, "Cebu City is geographically in Cebu", yes it is geographically in Cebu island, but Cebu provinces is a political unit. I'd not exclude these though, and just some add some note about this. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

MILF

The article describes the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the past tense, but isn't the decommissioning still ongoing? And we still have several ridos involving the group. Borgenland (talk) 03:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the group is still extant. It was a secessionist group, but it still definitely exist as an organization. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

In that case I am updating the was in the first sentence. Borgenland (talk) 04:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Articles for optional LRT-1 station are created too soon?

Seeking the advice of railfans here. I think these articles, Manuyo Uno station and Talaba station, violate WP:CRYSTAL and are basically cases of WP:TOOSOON. I've sort of followed the developments of the LRT-1 extension including the impending opening of the 1st phase up to Dr. Santos station but there has never been any serious mention of these proposed Manuyo Uno and Talaba stations. Personally, I think both stations are awkwardly placed. —seav (talk) 09:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree, proposed stations are usually not notable. A quick google search for similar cases turned up Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Street railway station which was a redirect. These could be draftified I suppose, although most of their text is general LRT information. CMD (talk) 11:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Manuyo Uno and Talaba were actually designed as part of the LRT-1 South Extension proposals of years past, but as far as I know have only recently been made "optional". If there is information that points to the notability of these stations, then I don't see why we should keep them, but if there isn't then it would be a better idea to draftify them so we have them for later when the stations actually get built out. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 18:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Based on the comments above, I boldly moved both to the Draft space where they won't bother regular stations until they're needed. —seav (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Apparently, you can't draftify articles that are older than 90 days per WP:DRAFTNO and this move has been reverted by CFA. Per WP:BRD, if nobody objects or suggests an alternative course of action by tomorrow, I will start an AfD for these two articles and we can then formally discuss their merits and notability and they could potentially be deleted or maybe properly (instead of boldly) draftified. —seav (talk) 00:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, everyone! Given that there are no objections or proposed alternative courses of action, I went ahead and nominated both these for AfD. —seav (talk) 21:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

NIR template

Created Template:User Negros today. I notice a lot of flags and template aren't made that concern the Philippines.

This user lives in the Negros Island Region (NIR) of the Philippines.

Dennis Brown - 2¢ 12:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Is this the only regional thing we have? I've been trying to find one up north. Borgenland (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Just make it yourself, borrow the code, create. Or if you like, just ping me with what you want. They are pretty easy to make, but I will for you if you like. I'm going to move from Mindanao to DGT in January, so I made it myself. NIR is a new entity, I'm curious if that means I will have to drive from Dumaguete to Bacolod for some govt. services since they will be splitting govt functions between the two "former" province capitals. That is an unusual setup, and not exactly a short drive. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

List of National Cultural Treasures in the Philippines

I've been running the page through Earwig showing alarming copyvio from pertinent laws but am not sure if there are exemptions under public domain if it came from a private repository, not the OGRP. Borgenland (talk) 15:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Private repositories were not the original authors of the law so... Howard the Duck (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Exactly this. An exact copy of public domain content on a non-free website does not make it non-free. Chlod (say hi!) 16:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend replacing the link to the Official Gazette, Congress or Supreme Court (if available) though to avoid this. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I replaced the Lawphil reference to a Senate.gov link. --- 06:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Johnpaulo5860 (talk · contribs) for this. Borgenland (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

(re-ping @Johnpaulo5860; you need to link to the user page and sign on the same edit to ping a user) Chlod (say hi!) 16:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Rappler.com

Is there anyone from this WikiProject capable of accessing this article posted to Rapper.com. The article is given as the source for File:SM City Caloocan Interior.webp, but registration is required to see the full article. The few images that I can see aren't licensed the same way as the uploaded file, which makes me wonder whether license chosen by the uploader is correct. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I can access the article without registration. I see the image, with the same caption and author. It does not have a free license declaration. Chlod (say hi!) 01:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Chlod. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Second ladies and second gentleman

Please check the Categories for deltion for Second ladies and gentlemen of the Philippines it has been an impasse and would probably benefit for or against deletion of said category.05:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, the discussion closed in a no consensus. Alas Wikipedia retains a hoax of a category.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines Edit request to accommodate Philippine music task force

Hi there, I’d like to bring to your attention the WikiProject talk banner template. I'd like to add the Philippine music task force to sort those under the task force's scope. I’ve already made an edit request on the template’s talk page since it is template-protected. I’m hoping an admin or a template editor can make the necessary changes to accommodate the newly established Philippine music task force. Thanks in advance! – Relayed (t • c) 08:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. See Template talk:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines#Edit request 9 November 2024 for further info. Thanks! :) Chlod (say hi!) 09:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Chlod! – Relayed (t • c) 09:29, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Chlod! I have sent another edit request at the talk page of the WikiProject banner template. I was wondering if you could apply the changes for me. Thank you! – Relayed (t • c) 10:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Left a reply there. Please check when you have the time. Thanks! Chlod (say hi!) 10:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Stuck on early life...

Hello. I have working on the Glaiza de Castro article for quite some time now, aiming for GA and eventually FA. I am now on the part where I expand the article, starting with adding an Early life section... however, I have exhausted all available reliable sources that talk about her birthdate, birthplace, family, and education.

I have checked Rappler, GMA, ABS-CBN, Inquirer, Philstar, and PEP—because CNN Philippines is no longer here, and I have found no books or academic papers about the subject.

In fact, I'm considering removing the statements about de Castro being "born January 21, 1988" in "Valenzuela, Philippines" because every source I've found online seems to have gotten them from Wikipedia (unless reliable sources can also be found on them).

Please help. I've been working on this for over a month now while I go through my responsibilities as a Grade 12 STEM student. Your contributions, help and ideas are highly appreciated. Thanks! Ramkarlo82 (talk) 08:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(add'l I forgot to add earlier) Are there any sources I may have missed out about de Castro's early life? It would really help if they could be found. Also, I wanted to submit the article for peer review if not for one of its guidelines that states that "Articles must be free of major cleanup barriers", which the article has (Update—acting career, BLP sources section—filmography, awards and nominations). But since I can't PR request the article, I chose to go here instead. Ramkarlo82 (talk) 08:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Is "Glaiza de Castro" a stage name? If it is, maybe you can find sources using her birth name. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry... I have found fewer articles from reliable sources that use her birth name, "Glaiza Castro Galura", let alone talk about her early life.

But I have a development: though the birthplace is still not yet confirmed, I found an article that mentions the date "January 21" from before the article was created on September 8, 2007. However, the phrasing is unclear if it does refer to her birthday or not at all.

https://www.pep.ph/news/local/214/glaiza-de-castro-releases-self-titled-album — published on January 22, 2007, the article says "It took five years for Glaiza de Castro to release her follow-up album after she released her first album at the tender age of thirteen. Now, the girl is officially a lady after celebrating her debut on January 21 last year."

What kind of debut could have happened on January 21, 2006 (the "last year" in 2007)? I'm stumped here too... Ramkarlo82 (talk) 12:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

For actors, it may be indeed hard to find RS on birth years, but for birthdays you can search first on social media, then confirm with an RS. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Bit of a long shot, but try say finding a Chika Minute report on her publicly celebrating a birthday then cross check with RS similar to Mx. Duck. Borgenland (talk) 13:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Well... upon closer analysis of the PEP article, I concluded that "celebrating her debut" more likely means "celebrating [her] 18th birthday" in this context. (I know that meaning of debut as well as more universal meanings like "first appearance", but I just had to reread to ensure that not the wrong meaning is used.) I will cross check it with a better RS later.

That now leaves birthplace, family and education (and other details publicly shared). I may have indeed missed some sources that may mention them, but since I am busy with academics... this won't be my priority now. I will be welcome to any help I receive (through here, since I can't request PR as I mentioned earlier) with improving and expanding the article while I'm not that active here Ramkarlo82 (talk) 13:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

South China Sea Arbitration Tribunal's position on the Award

The "Tribunal's position on the award" section of the South China Sea Arbitration contains a position of the Tribunal that appears to have been deliberately cherry-picked for emphasis. Can someone look at it and perhaps, expand and improve it? Sanglahi86 (talk) 15:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Misgendering of PBA athletes

Fiddling with athletes these days when I noticed that several players have been misgendered as male in talk pages and included in WikiProject Women's Sport (ex. Eddie Laure, Robert Bolick, Fritz Gaston and Carlo Sharma). Is this the work of an overlooked vandal or a bug? Borgenland (talk) 17:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

It was by KiranBOT, a bot, so a bug.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hariboneagle927 and Borgenland: thank you for pointing out the mistakes. I was provided a list of around 4000 categories. These categories were supposed to contain articles about only women. There might have been an oversight while creating the list itself, or some men's articles might have been added to the incorrect categories. Regarding Carlo Sharmam, and Robert Bolick which are from Category:De La Salle Green Archers basketball players is for men's players, which seems to have been in the list. While Eddie Laure was assistant coach of the UST Golden Tigresses women's varsity basketball team, maybe thats why he is of interest for the women's wikiproject? Fritz Gaston is in the Category:Philippines women's national basketball team coaches. I am willing to rectify/make changes based on suggestions, but I think first we should look for the reason which caused these edits. Maybe @Hmlarson: can help. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

There had been men who had coached women's sports teams in the Philippines (and probably elsewhere).

Tip for categorization for college sports teams: In the USA, the women's teams almost always have the same team nicknames as the men's teams. For example, the women's basketball team of the University of North Carolina are also the "Tar Heels", just like the men (not "Lady Tar Heels"). There are a very few exceptions. In categorization, the way to distinguish is the word "men's or "women's" in the titles.

In the Philippines, the women's teams are named after the women's counterpart of the male nickname, which is always (no exception) the primary nickname. For example, the men's basketball team of the Far Eastern University are the "Tamaraws", while the women's team are the "Lady Tamaraws". It can be creative, like "Growling Tigers/Tigresses", but mostly the word "Lady" is added, like "Knights/Lady Knights". The 2 exceptions are Ateneo de Manila University and University of the Philippines Diliman, which are like the US teams having the same nickname regardless of sex, so it's always "Blue Eagles" and "Fighting Maroons", respectively. For categorization, the women's teams usually have the word "Lady", while the men's teams do not.

There were a series of WP:RMs about this, and the latest just ended a few days ago. See Talk:University Athletic Association of the Philippines#College sports articles naming; there had been categories that had been renamed as a result.

While men can coach women, men can't play with women (not yet), and women don't play with men (no women are good as men yet to make a team), so the player categories can be straightforward for now. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have identified following 51 categories that may be non-women. would you folks kindly confirm it?

I can reverse the changes to the articles from that list. I already have the program ready. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I can only speak for projects involving the Philippines. For now there is certainly that Ateneo men’s, UP men’s and the 2 UAAP men’s are wrongly categorized. Will check the others later. Borgenland (talk) 12:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Jeez Category talk:UAAP men's basketball tournaments was tagged as women's sport when the category title itself mentions men. All Adamson, Ateneo, La Salle, FEU, NU, UE and UST categories were also wrongly tagged.

Interestingly, the NCAA (Philippines) teams may not have been affected. I checked Category talk:Letran Knights basketball players and there were no women's sports project link.

Category:Kentucky State Thorobrettes basketball is a women's team; the men's team are the Category:Kentucky State Thorobreds basketball, an example of Philippine-style naming in the USA.

The other categories seem to be sports teams and competitions from other countries and someone else should make a judgment on those. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Errors in Ancestral houses of the Philippines

Hello fellow wikipedians :)

The page "Ancestral houses of the Philippines" contains many errors. The primary issue seems to be a mismatch between the title "Ancestral Houses of the Philippines" and the specific focus on "Heritage Houses" as declared by the National Historical Commission of the Philippines. What could or should be the correct approach in rectifying this? Should the page be renamed "Heritage Houses of the Philippines" and focus solely on that, or should a new page be created for declared heritage houses and remove the inaccuracies from "ancestral houses of the Philippines"? Johnpaulo5860 (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest opening a discussion about this at the talk page. People here have been informed already, so they can join if there if they want to. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Dave Bautista on Tambayan Philippines

Hello people! I just want to ask if Dave Bautista known as Batista a former WWE superstar should be included on this WikiProject? Because Dave was a half filipino based on Inquirer.net. For me, it should included in our WikiProject. Royiswariii Talk! 04:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

If Bautista was heavily involved in some activity in the Philippines, sure, that would be fair game, but for now, not really. Blake Gripling (talk) 05:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Blake Gripling!

You might check this post wayback 2015 on Official Facebook Page of Bautista, i think it's a movie on James Bond movie i think, it's caption Just told that I'm the first Filipino actor in a Bond film! Is that really true?? So, might be a contribute too? Royiswariii Talk! 05:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

For perspective, do we have common assessment standards on Filipino-Americans? Borgenland (talk) 12:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Borgenland!

Well, Beabadoobee was on our WikiProject and she's Filipino-Birtish, Asa Miller and Jordan Clarkson was on our WikiProject and they are Filipino-American. Maybe Bautista can be added on our WikiProject too. Royiswariii Talk! 13:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, Rob Bonta a politican on US, and he's Filipino-American too. Royiswariii Talk! 13:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Please note that Dave Bautista was the first Filipino-American that entered on WWE, so it might be a consideration? Royiswariii Talk! 13:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Sara Duterte

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Hello people! I nominated Sara Duterte on ITN you can check this ITN Sara Duterte. Let me know if I need changes or suggestions. Royiswariii Talk! 05:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

As much as "In the news" is named "In the news", it doesn't actually include everything that's "In the news". If Sara were impeached over this, then yes, that would be ITN-worthy. But statements are just statements; nothing has happened. This is a nothingburger. Chlod (say hi!) 05:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, i thought that too but i just tried to ITN if it will entered my nomination since and this is a controversial and a big conflict.Royiswariii Talk! 05:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gina F. Acosta

There's an AFD about one of Sara Duterte's staffmembers (no, not the one cited for contempt and is now in hospital arrest). I have argued for a merge and redirect to an article about the current happenings, but it seems there's no such article about that. The last one was 2024 constitutional reform attempts in the Philippines, but that's for charter change, and not just solely about Sara Duterte's issues. There was discussion on what happens next after that, and it seems that this is it. The current article can be transformed into a discussion about the current congressional hearings, but what should be the title? 2024 Philippine congressional hearings on Sara Duterte? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

It sounds more like a full-blown political crisis beyond Batasan these days but I couldn’t think of a more sober title for now. Borgenland (talk) 01:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Mary Grace Piattos? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Or should it be something along the lines of the expenses scandal? Borgenland (talk) 05:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

If Sara Duterte is impeached, it would be a lot easier. The expenses scandal has been ongoing for a long time, and was rooted in the House not granting her request of more confidential funds for the 2025 budget. I realize we actually do not have an article about that, but should have. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

How about "Assassination plot against Bongbong Marcos, Liza Araneta Marcos and Martin Romualdez by Sara Duterte, if she were to be killed first"? That's one heck of a long title. HueMan1 (talk) 14:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd rather call it the Marcos-Duterte dispute or vice versa. Borgenland (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd like this, but its Martin Romualdez that's doing the dirty work. I kinda like 2024 Philippine congressional hearings on Sara Duterte until Sara Duterte is impeached (since this is where they are going at), then it becomes Impeachment of Sara Duterte. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I folded up Romualdez as a blood relative of Marcos (can't make it look like a three-way fight) but I am leaning support for this. Borgenland (talk) 19:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah Marcos-Romualdez-Duterte dispute looks weird. Are we going to wait until VPSD is impeached or has someone already has something in the drafts or somewhere? We can have VPSD's staffmembers names redirected to that article, such as Acosta's, once created. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Upon further thought, Marcos–Duterte dispute or even Romualdez–Duterte dispute is not exactly right as House representatives have been the ones doing the dirty work, while Romauldez is mostly behind the scenes; i.e. Romualdez doesn't show up on hearings.

Suggested article titles:

• 2024 Philippine congressional hearings on Sara Duterte
• Sara Duterte confidential funds scandal
• Mary Grace Piattos scandal
• Marcos–Duterte dispute
• Romualdez–Duterte dispute
• Something else

Any of these article titles will be superseded if VPSD is impeached (by these reasons). Howard the Duck (talk) 21:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move 26 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move 26 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 11:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Man, this WP:RM is so shameful LOL. This should not have been done. Now there's a chance this will be moved to the article name absolutely none of English speaking Filipinos (sorry, not part of the English speaking world now I guess?) use. Utter shambles! Howard the Duck (talk) 01:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Mashiding Lomandong

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Mashiding Lomandong and assess it per WP:BIO? Most of the sources cited in the article are to Facebook posts, and the creator might have a WP:COI. If, however, the subject is notable, those things could possibly be cleaned up or better sources could be found. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

At this stage it qualifies for speedy deletion. Borgenland (talk) 07:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

The article was speedily deleted but was recreated shortly afterwards by the author, who changed name. It has been nominated again for deletion on similar grounds. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mashiding Lomandong. Borgenland (talk) 16:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

And I have suspicion that at least one participant in the discussion may be a sock. Borgenland (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

There are now two possible socks. Borgenland (talk) 09:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

The name change isn't really an issue since accounts flagged as potential violations of WP:PROMONAME are given the option to request a username change if they want to continue using the account. The "new" accounts showing up, on the other hand, is a concern, but that's being asked about and will be resolved here. The new accounts might not necessarily be socks per se, but it does seem at least to be a case of WP:MEAT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Update: all three accounts have just been CU verified to be technically indistinguishable and blocked as a result. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

2025 Philippine local elections in Metro Manila

There had been several new articles about these series. Local elections are done at the LGU level (regions are not LGUs, and only one region has a regional government). I'd just wait for the entire series to be completed, then we'd just split this to individual articles per province and independent city. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Ramón Alcaraz and Ramon A. Alcaraz

Oh, I have also noticed that the World War II and Martial Law era hero Ramon A. Alcaraz has an awkward disambiguation, probably because the Ramón Alcaraz article is older. Is there a way to make this situation more fair? Like talking to the Tambayan equivalent in Mexico? What to do next? - Chieharumachi (talk) 13:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Make an RM like what was done with Talk:Mariano Gomez (priest)#Requested move 25 February 2021. GiantSnowman's suggestion was a good one. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

But with both the Mexican and the Filipino being military officers, what term would be best? Ramón Alcaraz (Mexico) and Ramon Alcaraz (Philippines)? Ramón Alcaraz (Mexican Army) and Ramon Alcaraz (Philippine Navy)? Ramón Alcaraz (Mexican military writer) and Ramon Alcaraz (Philippine Navy Commodore)? - Chieharumachi (talk) 15:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Occupation is usually the norm. Borgenland (talk) 15:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I suppose "Mexican soldier" and "Filipino soldier". Some may say birth years but personally I'd oppose that. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Ideally, this should what happen:

• Ramon Alcaraz will be a dab containing these three articles:
• Ramón Alcaraz (Mexican soldier)
• Ramon Alcaraz (Filipino soldier)
• BRP Ramon Alcaraz, naval ship named after the Filipino

Howard the Duck (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I thought so too. But... a generic Naval person is not technically a "soldier," but a "seaman." But seaman makes it sounds like he is from lower decks. Plus the Commodore is so attached to him that most people call him that. "Si Commodore!"; or even "Si sir Commodore Drug!" (On the other hand, the Mexican is barely known for his soldiering during his term, but for his Military writing after that.) Not wanting to argue, I am thankful for your suggestion. Just seeking more clarity before I propose anything :D - Chieharumachi (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Although come to think of it, maybe I will make an RM now, and leave it all up to the discussion there. I will update everyone when I do.- Chieharumachi (talk) 00:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, soldiering can be many different fields. Auxiliaries (those who cook food, for example), chaplains and the like are soldiers too. Also, these disambiguators are based on the most general adjectives, and "soldier" fits both. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I can also suggest the wordier "military officer". Howard the Duck (talk) 01:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

With respect (I mean it; I'm just repeating what I've grown up knowing), I have always used the same definitions as in Military personnel#Terminology: "Military personnel who serve in an army or otherwise large land force are referred to as soldiers. Those who serve in a navy, coast guard, or other seagoing force are seamen or sailors. Naval infantry or marines are personnel who serve both on land and at sea, and may be part of a navy or a marine corps. Personnel who serve in air forces are airmen. Space force personnel typically do not have a specific term given how few exist, but in the U.S. Space Force personnel are referred to as guardians." But that's because my lolo is from the Philippine Air Force, and he corrected anyone who ever called him a "soldier." And the Navy people I know are extremely adamant about "sailor." (Marines don't seem to mind as much, but still prefer Marine/marino.) But I also recognize that common use makes "soldier" a term for all Military Personnel. In Tagalog, though, they all answer to "Sundalo" from civilians. On base, I sometimes heard "Kawal."- Chieharumachi (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, if it is unspecified which branch a person is from, the Tagalog term "sundalo" which translates to "soldier" in English. If it is later known that the person is from the navy, it becomes "marino"/"sailor", or from the air force, "piloto"/"pilot". It's like every basketball player is a "basketball player" until it is learned that one is a guard, forward, center, etc. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I filed an RM the moment I said I wold do so, before your "military officer" suggestion, sorry. But maybe we can suggest that there. - Chieharumachi (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

LGU income classes

I have two points to raise. First, the Department of Finance published Department Order No. 074.2024 last month. This updated the brackets for the various income classes for provinces, cities, and municipalities. Annex A of the DO also provides the old and new income classes of all classified LGUs that will take effect on 1 January 2025.

Second, I kinda don't like that the first sentence of most LGU articles (especially cities and municipalities), state the income class (e.g., "Cagayancillo [...] is a 6th class municipality in the province of Palawan, Philippines.". I don't think the income class is a vital property of said LGUs that they need to be mentioned in the lead, let alone the first sentence. I prefer that these just be relegated instead to the infobox (already there) and/or the "Economy" section. —seav (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd agree income classes don't deserve WP:LEAD treatment. There are 1,500 articles and we'd have to rewrite the leads. I'd hold off on updating these for now, and wait until the 2025 election winners have taken office so we can just do one one mass batched edits on these.

Aside from income class in the lead, some LGU articles erroneously list all elected local officials as members of the "Sangguniang Bayan" when it is not. These should be labeled like "Elected local officials" or something similar. Also, LGU articles' infoboxes show "District" and this can mean several things; most likely this refers to congressional district. We can remove this from the infobox and replace this with congressional and provincial board districts. Infoboxes also list all sanggunian members; maybe just show the party standing as of the last election (we don't show all 24 senators in the Philippines infobox, for example LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 00:10, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd also would like to ask how often are income classifications updated? Howard the Duck (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Ideally, income classifications update yearly per RA 11964 (enacted 2023). But before RA 11964, the classifications weren't updated that often. Heck, some cities still have their old municipal income class even though they've been cities for a long time like Cabuyao (city since 2012 but income class is still 1st municipal).[1] —seav (talk) 03:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I think provincial income classifications are updated more frequently; this is the basis of Sangguniang Panlalawigan sizes, and some provinces want that $$$ that comes with more seats. For cities and municipalities, this is not the case, so I dunno what's the IRL difference... maybe salaries of local officials are dependent on income classification? If that's the case there's also incentive to do better, but it's more self-centered. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Photography task force

Many articles are lacking proper pictures and portraits to represent a visual identification of the article, which is heavily needed in order to make articles more "proper" and to make them more "readable". One of the possible solutions to this is a proposed photography task force where you list articles which need pictures and have a "request" to add one. I'm sure there's a system there at the to-do page, but the system looks pale.

This might be more far-fetched, but I also propose a provincial system, where Wikipedians from that specific province get requests to take pictures of near landmarks, like where Commons finds your location and shows you the nearest landmarks to take a picture of, but I don't think there's a public demand for these pictures.

So there might be a need of a photography task force, hence my three-paragraph comment, but there might be problems along this path. Do we really need these pictures? Do editors want to show their respective province? But even though these problems might stall this project, I think these problems won't largely impact this task force project. I might be overthinking though, but this might be needed. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 09:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Before organizing a provincial system for photos, it would be good to know 1) what articles don't have images, 2) whether we are sure relevant images don't exist on Commons already. CMD (talk) 09:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

There is no need for a separate list of pages. {{WikiProject Tambayan Philippines}} includes a |needs-image= parameter which automatically categorizes pages into Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the Philippines. Much of these are schools, institutions, and buildings which cannot be given images on Commons due to the lack of freedom of panorama in the country (though they may be uploaded as non-free images instead). Landmarks, statues, and other creative public works are also out due to this same issue, making the appeal of trying to get photographers anywhere in the country to take photos of landmarks nil. There is still the minority of pages which aren't affected by the lack of FoP, but most of these need more effort than just travelling to a building and snapping a quick photo. Chlod (say hi!) 09:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, FOP is a problem. You can't just snap pics anywhere. Even sidewalks are not a fair game LOL. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Streets should be alright and de minimis applies? No? But the problem is landmarks are still the "premium" and "ideal" images for LGU articles. I mean photos of more "modern" buildings can be uploaded locally here in Wikipedia under fair use + using US FoP but the average Wikipedia/Wikicommons editor or contributor isn't savy enough for that. So their uploads of photos they took themselves in the Commons are usually in danger of getting nominated for deletion unless they are photos of Spanish colonial buildings or very generic structures.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I dunno. The photos I took of the Eastwood City Walk of Fame were all deleted (LOL). You could argue every structure built since the 1980s is fair game and even a street-level "cityscape" photo violates that. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure, though we can use a provincial sort for easy answers to requests. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 05:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

MABINI

ライブ Mabuhay! I have created a stub for Movement of Attorneys for Brotherhood, Integrity, and Nationalism, also known as MABINI. But I am sure many people won't find it using that name, so I am thiking to also create a redirect at MABINI (Human Rights Organization) or something like that. The problem is obviously, there are very many pages named with some variation of Mabini. I am not sure how best to proceed with making the page more accessible. Would you have any suggestions? - Chieharumachi (talk) 13:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Use all caps MABINI. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I have went ahead and redirect MABINI to Movement of Attorneys for Brotherhood, Integrity, and Nationalism, and added a hatnote to that article to Mabini. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, that's a great idea. And thank you for creating the redirect! - Chieharumachi (talk) 08:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)