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Cyprus military ranks

I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.

NCO and other ranks

NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.

NATO code	OR-9						OR-8		OR-7		OR-6						OR-5						OR-4				OR-3		OR-2						OR-1
Hellenic Army																																			Arm/corps insignia only
	Ανθυπασπιστής Anthypaspistis						Αρχιλοχίας Archilochias		Επιλοχίας Epilochias		Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas								Στρατιώτης Stratiotis
Greece (Conscripts)							No equivalent																												No insignia
	Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos										Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas		Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos						Στρατιώτης Stratiotis

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Userpage question

I know I've already asked about my userpage before but I've done a lot of work on it since then. Does my userpage go a bit overboard, especially with the inline links? I joined the welcoming committee and I am expecting at least a few new users to come to my userpage from my signature on my welcome messages so I tried to leave a lot of inline links for them to click on and get a feel for the scope of the encyclopedia. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing Compared to User:EEng (takes awhile to load, and I don't recommend it as a role model), or myself, for that matter, I find your page quite respectable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I feel I do the most good by being a warning lesson parents can point out to their children. EEng 15:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

if i learned one thing from you, it's that puns are the scourge of all things good cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

No, no, they've got a point. The reason we exist on this world is to get as many rules added to the book as possible. No one ever told me I couldn't add an inline link containing some sarcastic joke for every single word on my userpage, but I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I did so why don't we make it official? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

oh my that isn't a userpage that's a whole-ass userbook. I guess mine is better than I thought ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

406,519 bytes, that's a lot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

To put it into context, the largest article on Wikipedia has 975,504 bytes. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Wow, we have an article that's almost an entire gigabyte? Does it just have a lot of text or are images, GIFs, code spaghetti, and videos taking up some of that space? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing That's not a Gigabyte, only just below a Megabyte. The whole encycopedia can be downloaded at about 24 GB. See WP:SIZEWP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

oh yeah sorry I forgot the ratios. I'm surprised Wikipedia is only 24 gigs, I thought 6 million articles would be closer to a terabyte ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

As of February 2013, the XML file containing current pages only, no user or talk pages, was 42,987,293,445 bytes uncompressed (43 GB). The XML file with current pages, including user and talk pages, was 93,754,003,797 bytes uncompressed (94 GB). The full history dumps, all 174 files of them, took 10,005,676,791,734 bytes (10 TB).

As of August 2023, Wikimedia Commons, which includes the images, videos and other media used across all the language-specific Wikipedias contained 96,519,778 files, totalling 470,991,810,222,099 bytes (428.36 TB). CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Text is very small, especially ASCII characters in UTF-8 (the majority of characters used on the English Wikipedia), which are one byte each. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 19:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, per [1] that article has 2 words. And 1,541 unique references. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks great, especially the storm chaser part. :) E_F⁵ 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

what can I say, I just have zero sense of self preservation and I want to see the silly wind cones up close :D ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I liked your userpage. Quite interesting username too. Girlwithgoldenheart (talk) 16:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! The "apteryx" in my name is the scientific name of my favorite bird, the kiwi, and "RainWing" is a reference to my favorite tribe from the book series Wings of Fire Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 17:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking your time to let me know the real meaning about your username. You're a creative guy. Wishing you good luck. Girlwithgoldenheart (talk) 05:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Rules of recommendations to add links in an article

Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article.

I'm talking about internal links to Wikipedia in English.

As an example. We can choose the article "Bashar Al-Assad".
If there are a section or a sub-section citing "Moscow" (This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article).

If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ?

If you don't understand what I means with words "section" and "sub-section".
You can see the example below.

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Suggestions for Monte Zovetto page

Good morning, everyone, My team and I recently finished our Monte Zovetto wiki page (a mountain in northern Italy) for a school project. It was approved, and we received a grade C.

We already made some improvements (also thanks to other editors), but do you have any suggestions on how we can improve it to achieve a grade B? Thank you!

LIUCsmarties (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC) LIUCsmarties (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I saw there are the pronunciation in "British English" indicated in "IPA".

Maybe someone can add it in "Italian" ? It is not a great improvement but it is a good one.

Why not add the pronunciation with IPA transcription in "Venetian language" ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 07:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Please see our response to your fellow student and to how poorly your instructor has designed the assignment and how that's putting you and your classmates in an unfair position and lots of unneeded stress. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

LIUCsmarties, you say "It was approved, and we received a grade C." I "accepted" the draft, promoting it to article status. I didn't give it a "C", and nobody else did either. I don't see anyone calling it "Start", "C", or "B". Do you mean that your teacher approved it and gave it a C, for university rather than Wikipedia purposes? If so, we people here who aren't affiliated with LIUC don't know either how grading is supposed to work in LIUC or what particular criteria your teacher uses in order to grade. -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary Actually you did. However, @LIUCsmarties probably doesn't realise that these assessments are somewhat arbitrary and only good articles and featured articles go through a formal process here. I suggest that LIUCsmarties and colleagues relax after doing a good job of creating the article and focus now on the rest of their schoolwork. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, Mike Turnbull, so I did. Duh. (I plead senility!) Anyone (other than the author or their classmates) who thinks it merits a B is welcome to give it a B. And I have to say that though I'm usually unimpressed by class-assigned article creation, this set does impress me (in a good way). -- Hoary (talk) 12:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary I recently reviewed the Assessments for many articles at WikiProject Mountains of the Alps. I would say this is a pretty complete article, easily meriting a B-class (which I have just given it). With some further careful work on sourcing and on WP:MOS formatting, it could well be put forward for a GA Assessment, though seeking more detailed feedback at WP:PEER REVIEW could be worthwhile. However, these further steps would need the commitment to see this through beyond the unfair deadline set by their tutor (Limelightangel), as discussed in recent threads from their other students. I think @LIUCsmarties and colleagues should be extremely proud of their work. It's impressive. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

LIUCsmarties Consider deleting the Legends section, as not clear it is specific to Zovetto (and perhaps adding it to Roana instead). David notMD (talk) 13:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site?

Hi Everyone,

I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia and how it works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). David notMD (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, David notMD. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Wikipedia. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

In addition @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor

I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See WP:Editing before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. Tesleemah (talk) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable can write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves.

See WP:Golden Rule. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are independent of you, providing significant coverage of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments and clarification. I do multiple have published reliable sources in English and Chinese that are independent of myself. I think I will tive i.rLetyme know if you have any more comments. I'd appreciate that. now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I get it. Thank you. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process to first work on a draft for an article and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "abandon" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the Wikipedia article namespace, pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for WP:DELETION. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest editing (particularly the WP:COISELF and WP:LUC sections), Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It's best to avoid COI editing, especially paid editing. It tends to attract hostile scrutiny.

Depending on who you are, there may be someone who would be interested in writing an article about you. Many editors specialize in certain types of biography: sports figures, academicians, scientists; the bios I write are often about chefs. But that would require you to disclose your identity, which you may not want to do. Valereee (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: Any type of "paid" editing needs to be done in accordance with WP:PAID; it's not expressly prohibited to have an article created by paying someone to do it for you, but basically that's a contract between you and the other party that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. It's your money and you're free to spend it as you please, but there are lots of WP:SCAMs out there that promise all kinds of things that simply are impossible to deliver; so, if you do decide to take that path, you should make sure to ask lots of questions before giving someone your money because Wikipedia won't help you get it back if things go wrong. Other options to consider might be trying WP:RA (which seems to be more miss than hit) or asking on the talk page of a WikiProject that might be related to whatever you think makes you Wikipedia notable. Whatever you do, you're going to most likely find it hard to remain anonymous because Wikipedia operates in the WP:REALWORLD, and the way it's set up can make it easy for others to connect the dots and figure out who you really are.

Personally, I still find it a bit odd when people seek to either create Wikipedia articles about themselves or try to find/pay someone to create such an article on their behalf. That sort of indicates to me that said person might be mistaking Wikipedia for some type of social media site or other kind of online profile site, which it's most definitely not. The most natural way for someone to have a Wikipedia article created about them is for them to do enough Wikipedia notable things so that reliable sources start covering them to the point that someone completely unconnected to them wants to create such an article. Of course, since this tends to work better for really famous people like movie stars. musicians, pro athletes, etc. than it does for other types of people who tend to be ignored by main stream media sources, I can somewhat understand feeling "I've got to do this myself because nobody is going to do it for me". Still it comes down to someone wanting to have a Wikipedia article written about them despite the fact that they're pretty much going to have zero control over what that article becomes over time. There seem to be much better WP:ALTERNATIVEs these days for someone to establish an online presence that they'll have total editorial control over and be able to use to let the world know about all about themselves. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

They can edit it, but anyone else is free to edit, too. Article subjects have no control over the articles about them. Other editors can add stuff you'd prefer not to include and can remove stuff you'd like to include. Valereee (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: The subjects of articles can edit said articles, but they're going to be expected to do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like any other editor; the subjects of articles don't "own" the articles in the sense that they've got total control over what's written in the article, and they can't stop others from editing the article. When the subject of an article has a problem with what's written about them, Wikipedia has processes in place to try and help them sort things out as explained here; Wikipedia, however, doesn't do what the subject wants just because the subject wants it done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

The general guidance is that the subject of an article can make minor corrections to grammar, spelling, numers, names, etc, can add citations to reliable independent sources, and can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that should be proposed on the article talk page.

That's after the article has been published. While it's still a draft, the subject is free to make any edits to it, and a reviewer would either accept the draft for publicaiton or decline it. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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How do I request a move on Wikipedia?

WP:RM gives you a guide on requesting a move, but it isn’t clear enough for me to request. How do I request it? 143.179.74.165 (talk) 12:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Which page do you want moved to which title? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sj-sound to Voiceless palatal-velar fricative. 143.179.74.165 (talk) 06:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

On a side note, always check for double redirects if the target page already exists. If not, check for broken redirects. 143.179.74.165 (talk) 07:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The article is 19 years old, it has been moved before, and its title has been discussed on the talk page, so it should be treated as a potentially controversial move with the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move. The talk page is Talk:Sj-sound. Note Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names which may be mentioned by opponents. Is that sufficient help? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Weird message on my talk page from IP user

an IP (2003:DE:E714:EA46:83D:9568:35AD:7CE8) left a weird string of gibberish on my Talk page. what should I do about it? I'm going to delete it, of course, but should this go to ANI or something? Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing Seasons Greetings from the Teahouse! I see you've already removed it, but, no, ANI would not be appropriate. This user made just two random edits - for what reason, we've no idea. Test edit? Error? Vandalism? You've reverted it. Great. That's all you need to do. I always check a user's contributions to see if they're doing it to others. tThis one isnt'. Nor is their IPv6 address doing it on the /64 range, which is always worth checking. So, just walk away and ignore it, unless it happens again. It's never worth feeding the trolls.

But, even then, this would be a case of disruption or vandalism, were the pattern to be repeated elsewhere. So, then you warn the user (Twinkle is a very easy tool for automating that process). Having warned them, check if they continue their behaviour. If they do so, warn them again, but with a higher level template and, if they still continue, report them at WP:AIV, not ANI, as that's the place for vandals to be assessed and blocked if they're continuing to be disruptive. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

thank you Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 14:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

could it be that the user tried to literally "roar with you"? If you make a clever...(a good word for it escapes me right now)(your signature makes me smile everytime I see it) you must be aware of some unusual repercussions. 176.0.139.10 (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

sorry to say, but AGF doesn't apply here. After looking at it, it was most probably an attempt on Tagging (graffiti). 176.0.139.10 (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Feedback on Draft?

Hoping this might be a place where someone might offer a bit of feedback on a draft to see if there are any issues, formatting or content related - or anything else that seems problematic.

If not please advise any alternative. Thanks in advance!

KoKo91361 (talk) 15:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

To get feedback you need to submit Draft:KarynO for review but I can tell you now that IMDb and Discogs are NOT reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this quick note. Will have to eliminate/replace IMDb and Discogs links and citations then. A bit challenging since about 1/2 of our references come from them. Good to know this would be a problem though (in advance!) KoKo91361 (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KoKo91361, I am not seeing evidence from the sources you've provided that Karyn meets our criteria for inclusion for musicians, unfortunately. If these are the best sources you have, then it doesn't look like Karyn merits an article on Wikipedia at this time. qcne (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

A LOT of unreferenced name-dropping that all has to be deleted. For example: "She became a technical consultant and friend to many - including Christopher Cross, Stewart Copeland, Timothy B. Schmidt, Elton John (band), Jon Anderson, Ray Charles, Billy Corgan, Eric Carmen, Butch Vig, Al Schmitt. Bruce Swedien, Oscar Peterson, Stevie Wonder, and countless others." David notMD (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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DRAFT PAGE UNIVERSITY PROJECT

Hello, i'm actually working on the draft page "Villa Fraccaroli" for a university project, i need the page to be accepted before the 31 of december, i was wondering if you could look at it, and if there's something to improve, i can work on it. Thank you in advance! Micol Liucmicol01 (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Liucmicol01 We cannot guarantee acceptance before a certain date- we have no deadlines on this volunteer project. and your professor has put you in a difficult position by making you do this. Your professor should review the Wikipedia Education Program materials to design lessons that don't depend on review by volunteers. Please show your professor this message. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

This has been reported on the Education Noticeboard: Wikipedia:Education noticeboard#Teahouse query from Italian university class as a few other class members have posted queries.

@Liucmicol01 please tell your instructor they have set you an unfair task: new drafts are reviewed by volunteers in their own time, and the current wait time is eight weeks or longer. qcne (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Qcue's answer is not true. The system is not a queue. Any draft can be reviewed in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Each reviewer decides what they want to review next. David notMD (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

For the curious, it has been accepted and is now at Villa Fraccaroli. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Obviously good submissions can be accepted fast, and problem ones can be declined fast. But those in between that are difficult to evaluate may be left for someone else to check. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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Categories

The article about Robert P.Black who died recently still has the category "Living person" at the bottom of his Wikipedia page. He died recently and that category should be removed from his page. How does one accomplish that? MadamArtz (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @MadamArtz. Looking at the article, it doesn't look like it has been updated yet to account for his death, if he did die. Can you provide a reliable source (per WP:VERIFY) about his death so that we can add this information? Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 19:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

The article has already been updated to indicate his death. My question relates to removing the category "living person". MadamArtz (talk) 19:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

While it does say that Robert P. Black died (my bad), it still isn't sourced and a quick Google search didn't find anything. Can you find a reliable source? Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 19:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

There is an obituary for this economist here. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@MadamArtz The category has been removed and Black's death is added with a source. To remove categories in the future, you can click "Edit" at the top right of a page (assuming you're using a computer), click on the box of categories at the bottom of the page, and remove the respective category. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 20:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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What do I do with this article

I found this article called Kitakagaya Station and it doesn’t provide any citations and the only references are two Japanese websites that I can’t read. I really need help on whether I should draftify it or leave it be. I know absolutely nothing about Osaka or the train station, so for me I have no idea how to expand it. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hm...marked as unrefrenced since 2011. @Yuanmongolempiredynasty, any chance you'd be willing to do a google search to see if there are references? If there are, you can add them. If there aren't, or if you just don't feel like doing that work, you could redirect to Osaka Metro. An attempt to fix is always best, but a unsourced article that's been tagged for that long, a redirect is a reasonable choice. Valereee (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, @Yuanmongolempiredynasty, be sure to study WP:DRAFTIFY thoroughly before moving any articles to draftspace. An article that is older than 90 days should not be moved to draftspace. Schazjmd (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Valeree, if I were to leave a redirect, where would I redirect it to? Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 14:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd say to Yotsubashi Line? That article was also largely unreferenced, too, and both references were dead; I fixed them with the 'fix dead links' in the history.

Just FTR, we don't require references to be in English, and if you open them in your browser, you may be able to see the translation. Valereee (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Preference on editing style

I was wondering if it is prefered if, for consecutive edits/contributions for an article all written in the same edit period, that the edits be merged into a single large edit when publishing or if smaller but multiple edits are prefered. Thought 1915 (talk) on 22:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Thought 1915 It very much depends e.g. whether the topic is controversial and whether there are lots of other editors watching the article. We work according to a standard bold, revert, discuss process and if you add one large edit, another editor may dislike just one part (e.g. because it is not sourced) and decide to revert the whole edit. If, instead, you add short sections then another editor will be unlikely to revert all your work and can focus on just the edit(s) they object to. If you are making a new article as a draft or in your sandbox, then large edits would be fine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Thought 1915 Welcome to the Teahouse. I would suggest making relatively small edits and saving each one with a short, helpful EDIT SUMMARY. At the largest, I would write one paragraph based upon one citation, though usually much smaller. Should you lose power or forget to save your edits, you could lose them. If an article is likely to be edited by other people at the same time, then saving in shorter packets helps you avoid WP:EDIT CONFLICTS. If you describe each 'save' clearly, it also lets you go back through the 'View History' tab to find a particular edit that you had previously made - possibly to revert or review it easily. That also applies when working in your sandbox, where nobody else is going to be editing. Hope this helps and Welcome to Wikipedia! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

There's a bit of variation available. As Mike Turnbull says, ff you're writing an article from scratch, large bulk edits are probably fine, while for controversial topics smaller edits are preferred. However, I'd advise not to go too far in either direction. Many small edits clog the edit history and might obscure significant changes you make in with minor copyediting or the like, which makes it harder for other editors to review and process the changes. For article-writing, I find trying to cram everything into one big edit clogs up my thinking; I prefer to start with a stub and build it up over a few days. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

For large existing articles at which I intend to make lots of changes, sometimes as preparing for a Good Article nomination (see Vitamin D) I am always doing multiple edits. At most, I copy a section into my Sandbox, work there, then replace the original with my revised. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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I would like to correct a page William John Swainson

•  Courtesy link: William John Swainson

This name is incorrect it should be William Swainson. He did not have a middle name of John. I have a copy of his death certificate which clearly has his full name as William Swainson, as does his grave stone and the memorial plaque of his first wife Mary Parkes. I have not sighted any books that he illustrated or wrote that had John as a middle name I have sighted newspaper articles and letters as well as places were he is referenced in the committees, Societies, and groups he was in. I have never seen any of his sketches signed William John Swainson or WJ Swainson or William J Swainson. Remember that there are also sketches done by his sons, including William John Swainson (Willie), and his daughters. Even the sources have him as WIlliam Swainson. Can anyone help me as this is the first time I have tried to do this. Thanks SwainsonTimbo (talk) 01:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The formal place to propose a rename is on Talk:William John Swainson. Present your evidence. Various reliable sources do include the name "John", so you will ahve to counteract them. Also the page William Swainson is already a disambiguation page, so you would have to go to a different name such as William Swainson (botanist). Once a decision is made the page can be "moved" to the appropriate title. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I haven't looked through all the sources cited, but none of the ones I have looked at say "John" anywhere, including the DNB, and the obituary in The Gentleman's Magazine which is titled "William Swainson", despite it being cited as "William John Swainson". ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

User "Judge Nutmeg" seems to have introduced the name John in this edit in 2007, with no citation to support it. The article was moved to the present title in August 2008. Which are the sources which support "John" @Graeme Bartlett? (These replies should be on the Talk page, but I haven't the time to create a discussion there now). ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Some sources include [2] [3] [4] [5]. They are just input for a decision of the name and need to be compared with other sources that don't use "John". William Swainson (naturalist) could be a better name for our article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The first source points to William's son William John. The others point to say William John Swainson then talk about William Swainson. The last source is a newer one and probably got for Wikipedia? Any old source refers to William Swainson. I think that since the name was changed in 2007 - 2008 without any sources the new sources after that date may be invalid. How could I load a picture of his death certificate? I am really new to this so am struggling. I appreciate any help. I agree with the new name for our article SwainsonTimbo (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Probably a birth certificate is more relevant, but it was so long ago, they probably did not exist. There might be a christening record though. Anyway you don't have to prove via a death certificate, just a preponderance of sources. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Article Making

I am the grandson of Joseph A. Burgundy and I thought his life was interesting so I tried to make an article on him I don't have any other resources I can find except my father and he died in 2011 so I don't know what to do Doodledoo4 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Doodledoo4:. On Wikipedia, articles are based off information that is already published. So you can search online, books, and newspaper indexes. But if the only information is from relatives, then it is not a suitable topic for Wikipedia. So if it is like that then you can choose to do something else instead. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

If you cannot find newspaper articles about your grandfather (for example, an obituary), then there is no path to your draft being accepted as an article. You can either ask that it be deleted or just abandon it, leaving it to be auto-deleted six months from now. David notMD (talk) 11:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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"&nbsp" tag appearing in some edits I make

I am curious as to why some of my edits lately include adding "&nbsp" tags when I am not intentionally adding them. Examples include [6], [7], and [8]. I corrected them with [9], [10], and [11], respectively. I wonder if pages that are prone to having the "&nbsp" tag appear when I intend to make a different change have some script or formatting issue that I do not know about until I make the edit. If anyone can help identify this issue, I would appreciate it. Z. Patterson (talk) 03:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Z. Patterson. That is just the code for a Non-breaking space. It prevents an unwanted line break. Cullen328 (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I understand now. Thank you. Z. Patterson (talk) 04:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Sandbox

Is there any way to use existing articles as template sorta things for the sandbox? Any help is appreciated! Willzdawgh (talk) 04:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Willzdawgh. Yes. you can copy an existing article into your sandbox, but for attribution purposes, you should use an edit summary of something like "Copying (article title) into my sandbox for article development purposes". Wikilink the article in question where I said (article title). Cullen328 (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Copying Donald Trump into my sandbox for article development purposes

Like that? Willzdawgh (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

That is a massive and highly controversial article, Willzdawgh. Why on earth would you select that article? Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

srry if I did something wrong bro. I'm new and I also forgot to mention that I was wanting to do this merely bc I was bored. I'm sorry if that's a problem. More specifically I wanted to mess around with hypertranslate and replace the article's text with the result on hypertranslate. I'm sorry if I'm unknowingly planning on doing something I'm not allowed to. I'll refrain from doing this if that's the case. Once again, very sorry. Willzdawgh (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

No need to apologize. If you're here to experiment, I recommend scouting scouting out stub articles via Special:RandomPage, pasting the wikitext into your sandbox, and messing around with the source there. If you need any help, you can refer to the tutorial at Help:Wikitext, the cheatsheet at Help:Cheatsheet, or an experienced editor (not me.) Thanks for asking, Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Willzdawgh Applying the Hypertranslate software to the text of an existing article and then replacing the original text would be considered vandalism and would result in your account being indefinitely blocked. If all you are is curious about what repeated Google Translate would do to any Wikipedia text, do that on your own computer and do not bring it back to Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. I would like to ask for help if it is possible to edit the title of my draft article?

Hello. I would like to ask for help if it is possible to edit the title of my draft article? Batoenonghistoryador (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Batoenonghistoryador You would have to WP:Move an article via the toolbar on the right side of the screen to do it, but only confirmed/autoconfirmed users can do it. If you would like, I can move it for you, as long as you can specify the desired title. Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 04:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you so muchc much appreciated if you can edit the title and make it like "Atty. Howard Calleja et, al. vs. Executive Secretary et, al." Batoenonghistoryador (talk) 12:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Note that the specific title of a draft is not particularly relevant to the draft process. If accepted, the draft will be placed at the proper title. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Passive voice in articles

 Courtesy link: Sacred Reich (sandbox)

I'm working on a draft for the Sacred Reich article (at my sandbox) for a major edit, and I ran my text through numerous grammar/spellcheckers like EasyBib and Grammarly. The most common—and most confusing—is on the use of passive voice. For context, passive voice is "the ball was kicked by Jeremy", while active voice is "Jeremy kicked the ball". I don't know whether or not I should be using passive voice in my prose (i.e. "Greg Hall was fired from the band and was replaced by drummer Tim Radziwill). I have attempted to use featured articles as examples, but usually doesn't seem to happen because of the abundance of information on the subject (i.e The Beatles or Alice in Chains) compared to a band like Sacred Reich. In my opinion, I'm not sure whether or not to use passive voice because it sounds rough when introducing a new member.

For example, "Greg Hall ... was replaced by Dave McClain ... later that year." vs. "Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall later that year." usually justifies using passive voice, but in context, this his first mention in the article and it disrupts the flow of the prose. In context:

Sacred Reich toured for nearly two years in support of The American Way, headlining major tours with Atrophy, Obituary, and Forced Entry. They also supported Venom in Europe and for Sepultura on their Arise tour in both Europe and North America. In 1991, the band released an EP, titled A Question. Former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found their extensive touring to be difficult, later that year.

I'm still not sure if it justifies using active voice or not. If it does, please let me know. On a side note, I've noticed an abundance of the phrase "later that year" in my writing, and I don't know how to rewrite it properly because of vague dates in the source material. If anyone can help me with that as well, please let me know so I can get rid of the repetition. Thanks for reading. —Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 04:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it's clunky because of where you put 'later that year'. It reads much better if you put it first - Later that year former S.A. Slayer member Dave McClain replaced Greg Hall, who found the extensive touring difficult. I don't think you should worry too much about active vs passive voice. Despite what grammar checkers might tell you, there's no one right way to write. Blackballnz (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, Blackballnz. I appreciate the advice, it does actually seem more about the word placement than the voice construction, and I'll make sure to refactor the article to read better. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 06:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

In my view, Sparkle & Fade, the active voice is almost always best for writing encyclopedia articles. We favor a direct, clear and concise style of writing. Here is a good explanation from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. Wikipedia:Writing better articles also offers a lot of good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

passive voice is best used when you have to avoid to ascribe an action to someone. Example: somebody was fired from the band. The reference uses passive voice, thereby avoiding to say who did it. Now you have a choice. Either search for a reference, that says who was firing or use passive voice too to avoid to say who did the firing. What you can't do is to figure out who could do the firings in general and then ascribe that firing to him in active voice! 176.0.139.10 (talk) 12:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

When it matters (and you know) who took the action, use the active. When it's not important who was the actor, by all means use the passive. Grammarly and its friends express a prejudice against the passive which appeared in the early 20th C, often by writers who failed to follow their own injunction, and sometimes appeared unable to detect a passive accurately. See http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003380.html. ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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New editor needs some help.

Hi there, I'm new. I wrote 2 drafts: 1 about an Internship Program which I found interested in, 1 is a course in social science field. I submitted 2 drafts and all rejected.

After editing few more things. I still don't know how to make references more reliable, or which content is the promoting material?

Here is my 2 drafts: MIP and Vietnamese writing practice Miyano25 (talk) 08:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Miyano25 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that "rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Your drafts were "declined", meaning that they may be resubmitted.

Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- such as a notable organization. Regarding MIP, you did a great job telling about the structure of the program and its offerings- but that's not what we're looking for(alone, at least). We're looking for a summary of what others say about the program. The same goes for the Vietnamese course. You can't "make references more reliable"- they either are, or they're not. Reliable sources are those which have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- like reputable news outlets(just one example). 331dot (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh I see, thanks for explaining. Is it okay if I can summarize what other people say about the program but don't have a source to back it up, or have a source but it's not reliable to make it as a source? Miyano25 (talk) 14:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Article not visible on google

i created this article Vanskere 7 months ago, moved it to mainspace but still not showing on google, what could be wrong ?, please reply with either of the two editor Iamtoxima (talk) 13:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Iamtoxima The article was marked as reviewed on 31 August, so search engines could index thereafter. However, Wikipedia has no control over when they actually do so. There have been no edits to the article since that date. In my experience, if you make even a minor edit now, Google will pick it up very quickly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Wow, thank you! This really helped, and I feel like I understand it much better now. we learn everyday. Iamtoxima (talk) 19:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Iamtoxima, please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion. The articles you created are written in a promotional tone, and I have tagged them as such. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

oh thanks for your contribution, i will check through again and fix it. Iamtoxima (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Removing four words from the short description does not magically make the article neutral. You'll need to rewrite most of the article, which contains promotional terms like significantly influenced, difficult to fit in due to his elaborate style, and more. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Further, @Iamtoxima, Who says that it "quickly emerged as a leading force"? Evaluative statements like that never belong in any Wikipedia article, unless they are directly cited to a reliable published source, wholly unconnected with the subject of the article. (And that is just one more example of the promotional language). Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. This page happens to be one of my first articles on Wikipedia, which is why I take particular interest in it. I would like to clarify that I am not affiliated with the individual or the company; I am simply contributing to the platform as others do.

The article was initially reviewed and approved. However, I have revisited, re-edited, and thoroughly checked the content based on your feedback. If there is a better approach to further improve it, I would genuinely appreciate your suggestions. After all, the purpose of this community is to collaborate and learn from one another.

I have implemented all the changes you highlighted, yet it seems you remain unsatisfied. I am open to constructive feedback, as learning and growing are integral parts of this journey.

Thank you again for your time and input. Iamtoxima (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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HELP

Kindly help me how best I can use this reservation system Dewclawsafaris (talk) 14:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Dewclawsafaris could you clarify what you mean by reservation system? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Your account is blocked for name problems. Either stop using this account and start a new one with a name that does not imply a business, or else use the name change process described on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 18:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I added "not" to the above sentence, since that's clearly what was intended. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Enquiry

this article Funmi Martins is about a deceased person, but its without image, i tried to find the image i could add for a proper recognition, but this is the only image of her i found online https://independent.ng/wp-content/uploads/Funmi-Martins.jpg, can i add it regardless ? Iamtoxima (talk) 14:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

No, @Iamtoxima, you probably cannot. When adding images to Wikipedia (or Commons), you need to make sure they are free of copyright. This file from the Independent is likely non-free, and therefore you cannot use it here on Wikipedia. win8x (talk) 14:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

hi, thanks for your response, this image in question is all over the internet, how do i know who to contact for license and how do i know if it has a free license or not? Iamtoxima (talk) 14:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Something being on the internet does not mean it has a copyright compatible with Wikipedia’s. I think that the media outlet that owns the copyright would be unlikely to release the image for use on Wikipedia, but you could ask them. 331dot (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

If the person is dead, you can upload a fair-use image locally here on Wikipedia (which for me shows up as an 'upload file' button under contributions in the left side of the page.) Valereee (talk) 15:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Iamtoxima, the policy language regarding use of a non-free photo of a deceased person when no freely licensed or public domain photo is available can be found at the policy Non-free images point #10. You need to carefully follow every step in the policy, because there are legal implications. With all due respect, Win8x, you are incorrect on the general point, as some non-free images are permitted on Wikipedia in narrow circumstances. Careful evaluation is needed regarding this specific image. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Apologies. I genuinely did not know about NFCI #10, I guess you learn something every day. win8x (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Autoconfirmed

I wanted to know how to become a autoconfirmed user, like, is there a test you have to pass or a certain amount of edits or certain amount of years. I also ask this question about extended confirmed and those other ones. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 16:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Your account has to be more than four days old and have a certain amount of edits (how many, I can't remember, I think, like, 10-ish) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 16:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

This link should help. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, is there like a notification that you get because I have 513 edits and have been on for almost a month Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you are autoconfirmed. You can check here: [12] Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 16:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Wow, that link was cool and definitely helpful. Thanks! Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

How do you put the autoconfirmed sign at the top of your user page, like the tiny Wikipedia globe that says your autoconfirmed? Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

That is called a topicon (top icon)! That one is here Template:Autoconfirmed topicon but there are plenty of topicon templates out there. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks! Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Am I able to edit the page that you showed me Cmrc23? In case it needs updating, like, the statistics page? Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

My statistics page Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Xtools updates automatically, and I do not think you can edit it. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 15:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, but there is one thing wrong about one part of it Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you tell me what that is? You might simply be reading the page wrong Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 15:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

It says I got 0 thanks, even though I got 1 from someone some 10 days ago Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Under "basic information", it states that you have been thanked one time. Under "actions" it states that you have thanked 0 users. They are in two different sections so it can be a bit tricky to notice! Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 15:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, ok Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

By the way, thanking in this context refers to the specific action of clicking the "thank" button on the relevant entry on a page's edit history. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 15:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Subject: Request for Guidance on Improving Draft Article

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently submitted a draft article on Dr. Toula Gordillo and received feedback indicating that the references provided do not sufficiently establish the subject’s notability. I am eager to improve the article and ensure it meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria. Could you please guide me on the following: What types of references would be considered more appropriate or substantial to establish notability? Are there specific sources or types of coverage (such as academic publications or in-depth media articles) that would strengthen the article? How can I best demonstrate the subject’s significance using independent, reliable secondary sources? Here is the draft link for your reference: Draft:Toula_Gordillo I would greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions you may have to help improve this draft and make it suitable for full publication. Thank you for your time and assistance. Best regards, SyedTayyab560 (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

You need the independent, reliable, secondary sources that you mention above. (I clicked on a few of the links currently provided: not one of them was independent of the subject.) 60.65.102.66 (talk) 20:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I understand the importance of including independent, reliable, secondary sources to establish notability. I am currently in the process of identifying and incorporating such sources to ensure the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines. I appreciate your time and guidance. SyedTayyab560 (talk) 21:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @SyedTayyab560. As the IP says, independence is the main issue. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Check each of your sources against the triple criteria in WP:42. If they're not reliable, (eg Shadowwork Solutions), don't use the at all. If they don't have significant coverage of Gordillo, what are they even doing in the article? If they are not independent, then it is possible that they could be used to verify uncontroversial factual data such as locations and dates, but they will not contribute to notability.

Get rid of the media section - if the sources are valid to verify some information about Gordillo, then cite them, otherwise including them is pure promotion, which is forbidden. Ditto appearances at conferences: why does a reader of an encyclopaedia article care waht conferences she has spoken at? ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed feedback. I now better understand the need for independent, reliable, secondary sources to establish notability and avoid promotional content. I will carefully review all existing references and only retain those that meet the criteria outlined in WP:42. Moving forward, I will also remove sections that could be seen as promotional or irrelevant to an encyclopedic article. Your guidance is greatly appreciated and will help me refine the draft accordingly. SyedTayyab560 (talk) 21:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but please don't use a LLM ("AI") here. Thanks! 60.65.102.66 (talk) 23:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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how can citations be removed completely from a submitted article?

Hi,

I have citations in my submitted article that need to be deleted entirely. I fail to see the process for doing this edit. Kindly advise. Thank you! PixelAlchemy (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Which article (or draft) are you talking about? Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 23:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Appears to be Draft:Michael Garlington. David notMD (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Click on Edit at top. This opens the entire article for editing. Go to where those pesky citations are and delete. That will remove the citation from the list of references. David notMD (talk) 02:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

And it will update the numbering of refs that are used later in the article. David notMD (talk) 16:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Edit to template by blocked user

Hi, I'm not sure whether to be concerned, but a blocked editor has been using an IP range to edit & was on ANI recently. I saw that someone in the blocked range has removed hidden text from a template here. Is it something that needs fixing? I experimented with undoing it myself, but there are subsequent edits & I'm woefully inexperienced with templates. Can someone more experienced please cast their eye on the edit? Blue-Sonnet (talk) 01:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Blue-Sonnet. The hidden text that was removed is just boilerplate instructions for adding episode descriptions. Once a description has been added for an episode, there's no need to retain the instructions, so this edit is okay. Always good to check though, thanks! Schazjmd (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Schazjmd That's really useful to know, thank you! Blue-Sonnet (talk) 14:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Watchlist preferences and settings

My watchlist continues to show categorization edits, despite checking <Hide categorization of pages> in my preferences. I've tried both the javascript and the non-javascript watchlists. The unwanted watchlist edits that do appear seem to all be made via either HotCat or Cat-a-lot. They aren't marked as minor edits, but I actually don't want to hide all minor edits. I have also selected the watchlist filter <Human (not bot)>, without luck; perhaps because they're merely semi-automated edits (as opposed to actual bots?). I have checked the tag to exclude all AWB edits, which does work for those. Does anyone have any thoughts? Scottyoak2 (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Are you speaking about the Watchlist for Wikipedia in English language ?

Can you make screenshots ? I can possibly help you with some screenshots but I can't guarantee I can help you with efficiency. Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The English Wikipedia, yes. I just was hoping that someone might already know how to filter out streams of edits made with HotCat or Cat-a-lot that sometimes flood my watchlist. If not, I can take a pair of pruning shears to my watchlist--an activity which might make a good New Year's resolution. Scottyoak2 (talk) 14:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Are you seeing edits to pages on you watchlist that happen to change the categories? Or is the category itself on your watchlist? Because I think the "Hide categorization of pages" setting only applies to categories you are watching. So if you uncheck that preference, and you add a category to your watchlist, you'll see any page that is added to or removed from that category show up in your watchlist. With the preference enabled, you won't see those changes, but you'd still see changes to the category itself, for example to the description.

I'm not sure if there's an easy way to filter out category-change edits to pages you see watching, because those edits are fundamentally just regular edits. And they are usually not minor edits, because category changes can be quite controversial sometimes, especially around BLPs or other contentious topics. --rchard2scout (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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I edited an article, but there is only problem...

I edited the article, "Code injection" but my contributions don't show up in the real article, I am very new and can't quite figure it out. How shall I proceed?

P.S. I am a beginner so expect I know nothing about Wikipedia, and how to navigate. Detailed tips are very appreciated. XirMarvin (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@XirMarvin welcome to Wikipedia. I'm assuming you're referring to this edit? It was unsourced, which is why it was reverted. If you need help, I'd recommend reading Help:Getting started. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@XirMarvin: Hi. Your edit was soon removed in this edit. I'm guessing it was done because the content you added didn't look "encyclopaedic". —usernamekiran (talk) 02:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @XirMarvin. To add onto CanonNi's comment, any editor can reverse another user's edit by reverting it. This is done when the edit was problematic, and in this case, it was because your edit was unsourced (please see WP:V. Source your content!). Please see our policies and guidelines for other rules we have around here. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia too. Thanks! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 02:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @XirMarvin. As well as the things others have pointed you at, I would also recommend looking at WP:BRD: you can see that your edit and its reversion by somebody else are a normal part of how Wikipedia works. ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Melbourne Shuffle Inventor

This later article is by a journalist about a witness to the creation of the shuffle https://www.warnaplus.com/maurice-novoa-mengonfirmasi-sifu-joe-sayah-sebagai-saksi-terhadap-penemuan-melbourne-shuffle/ and this other one is also by a journalist and the site says they do not take money as tips for stories https://radarkaur.disway.id/read/651452/menyelami-gerakan-halus-wing-chun-kung-fu-sifu-maurice-novoa-maestro-di-balik-fenomena-melbourne-shuffle Interesting how the video of Maurice dancing is at falls festival on big screens that's the biggest music festival in Australia based in Melbourne. Crazy pumpkin 123 (talk) 04:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Crazy pumpkin 123. This forum is used to ask questions about Wikipedia. Do you have a question specifically about Wikipedia? Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 04:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes sorry I was not clear, the Melbourne Shuffle article is being prevented for being updated as Maurice Novoa as its inventor for no reason other than the sources not being English. Crazy pumpkin 123 (talk) 06:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a content dispute, not Teahouse question. It should be, and is being, discussed on the article's talk page. You are one of the participants in that discussion, in fact you started it seven months ago, and just restarted it. No-one has recently removed those references. No-one has touched the article in six weeks, no-one has attempted to add those references in the last year, and no-one has said that they are unusable because they are not in English. The article was protected for six months because of repeated block evasion by user: Australianblackbelt, who was attempting to add similar claims about the supposed inventor of the Melbourne Shuffle, but I don't see any edits reverted for having non-English sources. I do see some claims reverted for having non-reliable sourcing, but reliability is not dependant on language,and sources do not have to be in English. The article has not been protected for the last six months.

Your somewhat strange delayed claims and you picking up where Australianblackbelt left off suggests that you are the same user. Is this the case? Meters (talk) 08:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

User Novem Linguae's response is why I have not attempted to add the sources, I just wasn't sure Crazy pumpkin 123 (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

user:Novem Linguae said nothing about a problem with the sources not being in English. Neither did user: Canterbury Tail, who also replied to you.

And again, are you the same user as Australianblackbelt? Meters (talk) 08:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

No and if I was why not just edit the page like you said... I dont like where this is going so I am staying away from the Shuffle page. Good bye Crazy pumpkin 123 (talk) 09:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Adding a photo

My great grandfather has a Wikipedia page about him but no photo. I have a photo of him. How can I add it to his page? Mojogeorge (talk) 10:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mojogeorge that's great. Since you own the photo, you can upload it at c:Special:UploadWizard and add it to the article by following the directions at Help:Pictures. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

If I'm right. Photos have to be uploaded on "Wikipedia Commons".

As I'm not sure about this information , I advise you to verify.

Do you know next informations :

1.Who did photographed your great-grandfather ? We need year of death of the person who photographed you ancestor if you know who did it.

Without means to know who's the author , it could be considered as a photography with an unknown author.

2.In which country the picture was taken ?

3.Year of the photo (When the subject was posing for this photography).

The answers to these questions can help to determinate is there are a copyright on the image.

You can own a thing without own the intellectual property. For example , you can own a DVD without own intellectual property on the content of this DVD.

I suppose the individual who photographed your great-grandfather is certainly deceased since more than 70 years old.

In the majority of countries in the world. There are no copyright in force if the person who photographed someone died since more than 70 years old.

If the person who made this photography died since less than 70 years old.

The heirs of the photogrpaher hold the copyright unless he/she did renounced to it during his/her lifetime with a legal document. Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mojogeorge As your great grandfather is dead, en:Wikipedia allows photos to be used in the infobox of the article about him even if you don't own the copyright. It should be uploaded to English Wikipedia and documented as explained at WP:NONFREE, especially the part WP:NFCI, item 10. For an example, see the image File:Coral Bell in 2008.jpg which I uploaded. In that case the image came from a website but the principle is the same. Thanks for wanting to improve his biography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Article review

Normally, articles that are submitted by an editor to Wikipedia for main space undergo an article review immediately and the page is curated. About four days ago, the article Beautiful captive woman was created and posted, but it has yet to receive a review by a qualified Wikipedean. Is there a reason for the delay?Davidbena (talk) 11:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

For all: The article was created on 18 December as an article, so this is not about AfC review, but rather WP:New Pages Patrol. David notMD (talk) 12:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedians are volunteers , therefore there are no delay to hold.

I don't know which duration it can take. Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Anywhere between a few minutes and a few years - currently the backlog is four years. They aren't reviewed in any particular order as such, but reviews of certain topics can happen quicker as their sources are easier to verify, there's some glaring issues or the question of notability is more clear cut. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I just assumed that new articles had to undergo an immediate review, and was worried that perhaps the language in this article was too strong and needed softening with "euphemisms". Again, thanks!Davidbena (talk) 13:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@DandelionAndBurdock You wrote the backlog is currently four years.

Have we to understand it can take average a duration of maximum four years ?

I'm not certain I rightly understood therefore I prefer to ask to avoid misunderstanding. Anatole-berthe (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Anatole-berthe: currently the oldest article in the unreviewed pool is approx four years old. That does not mean that average review time is four years. (If articles were reviewed in the order they're submitted, you might estimate that the average would be around two years. But they're not.) There are nearly 15,000 unreviewed articles in the pool. Some get reviewed within minutes, others take months or indeed years. I don't know what the average (whether that's mean, median or mode) is, or whether you can easily get that information from anywhere, but I'm sure it's nowhere near four years, thankfully. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. @DoubleGrazing when I'm talking about average.

I wasn't talking about a median but about "Arithmetic mean" for the maximum time it can take.

I had to admit a median would be better because we understand more easily when a median is involved. Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:New Pages Patrol reviewers review new articles. Articles considered suitable for inclusion are marked as 'reviewed', with a notification sent to the user that created it. There is a backlog numbering in the thousands. In theory, if a NPP reviewer does not get to an article within 90 days of creation it is auto-approved. David notMD (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Search engines such as Google can 'see' NPP-approved articles and thus identifiy those as responses to searches, but the timing of searchability is a function of the search engines, not Wikiepdia. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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moving my draft page to mainspace

so previously when i created a draft, normally i submitted the draft for a review, then waited for other editors to approved it and moved it to mainspace. Recently i read that autoextended user can just moved it into mainspace themselves. does that mean i can move Draft:Angryginge myself without waiting for it to be reviewed first by other editors? or am i reading the rule incorrectly Http iosue (talk) 11:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Http iosue the Articles for Creation process is entirely optional for autoconfirmed users, so yes, feel free to move it into mainspace if you think it's ready. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

NOTE: Moved the following comment from where I think it was misplaced. David notMD (talk) 15:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You can. But considering that a reviewer judged that it did not (yet) have adequate references, and you have made no further edits, it might not be a sensible thing to do. It might well get nominated for deletion. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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How do I experiment with my sandbox?

I was left some helpful advice to try and use my sandbox instead of editing in-line citations. How do I do that, and why should I do that? peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 11:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

First, as you are User:Skuncc, Skuncc should appear as your signature, not peeeeeee-yew!. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your Sandbox (top right menu bar) is a place for you to practice and create content that you intend to later insert into articles. You can create a citation there, and only when sure the format is correct, paste it into an article. On a grander scale, you can copy a section of an article into your Sandbox, revise and re-reference it, then use your content to replace the section in the article. Doing this work in your Sandbox avoids having a large number of small edits and missteps appear in the edit history of the article. David notMD (talk) 12:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Ohmy gosh thankyou! peeeeeee-yew! (talk) 12:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Technical question about the long hyphen

Hi!

I've been editing the timeline of Polermo where the long hyphen dominates, but I can't seem to generate one.Typing a regular hyphen, gives me just that - a regular hyphen, typing two hyphens gives me two hyphens (--) and trying to make one through the keboard shortcut which I found on internet forums (Alt+0151), just gives me one that's too long (—). So far I've been copying and pasting existing long hyphens which is kind of annoying, does anyone have any better solutions?

Thanks! Moonshane1933 (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Moonshane1933. I think you're talking about an em-dash. See MOS:EMDASH ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes! That's what I meant! Thank you! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you could find a better character in "unicode table".

This "article" is listing the most common characters.

There are also the "Unicode block" entry on Wikipedia that can be maybe helpful. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you too! Moonshane1933 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think ressources I shared with you will help you but I hope it will. Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Ignoring the Minus sign, there are three 'horizontal line' characters most commonly used in text, the hyphen, the N-dash and the M-dash. There are various ways to insert the latter two; usually I do so with [alt]+0150 and [alt]+0151. Despite being a former professional book editor, I have not previously encountered a "long hyphen" (a term not found anywhere in Wikipedia). Note that the lengths of all these characters may look different in different typefaces: I suspect your "long hyphen" is an N-dash. [Apologies for semi-overlap with answers above.] {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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How to thank a user

I had a friend who improved my article very much about a week ago, and I would like to thank him, how do you do that? Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I think you figured it out Yuanmongolempiredynasty ;) ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes I did :) Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 15:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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This may be the wrong place to mention this

On the page Lowercase Sigmabot |||, there is a infobox; in that infobox lies an image of a supposed “plane” labeled “Lowercase sigmabot ||| archiving a discussion” or something like that. Is this a joke by the moderators of Wikipedia? Selectortopic (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

This is not an article but an Userpage. Humor is allowed on this kind of page.

If you click on my nickname. You could read my page. Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

No, @Selectortopic, it's a joke by whoever edited that page (actually the user, @Lowercase sigmabot III). We don't have moderators, and admins have no role in the content of articles (though the users who are admins may have, but not in their admin role) ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Selectortopic: It's a humorous remark added by the bot operator [13] who is not an administrator. Many bot operators are normal users. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Someone know how to create a bot for a repetitive task ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Anatole-berthe See WP:BOTR page where you can make a request. There may already be a bot to do what you want and you need to explain in detail what you want and why. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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How to edit

I need to see a tutorial of how to edit an entry. It is my page; I'm the subject. My former assistant set up the page for me but I don't know how to update it. I tried to add references today. I wasn't successful. MGMKE (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about an encyclopedic article ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@MGMKE I hope that the ressources we advise you to read will be sufficient.

The community is there if there are something you don't understand.

We are there to guide you. I hope we didn't seemed to be aggressive. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Mari K. Eder. Deor (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

If I understood rightly. You are '"Mari K. Eder" and you want to edit an article on yourself.

I'm sorry to say you that but accorded to rules in force in Wikipedia. You are in "Conflict of interests".

I know it can appear weird but rules are rules. In my knowledge , there are not possibility to get an exception.

Even if I was an administrator on Wikipedia. I could not have this power in my knowledge. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@MGMKE To expand on what has just been said, article subjects are given advice at this guidance page about what they may and may not do to biographies about themselves. We expect that you will suggest additions on the article's Talk Page at Talk:Mari K. Eder, where you can start a new section with suggestions. There is an edit request wizard to make this relatively easy. What you added recently to the article was not formatted correctly and I will shortly revert it to its previous state. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pages shared with us ! I didn't knew these. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You can edit pages you do not have a conflict of interest with, and you should consider doing so! Make sure you read the guidance, I think you will find this can be a very enjoyable website to contribute to. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cmrc23 I liked your answer explaining the stuffs in a simple way. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

A lot of the above is from other users, signed by their username. I would be happy to explain more wikipedia policies if you have any questions (though I'm nowhere near as experienced as some people here!), do know that you can always ask on the teahouse (here!) or on my talk page here, though I'm on and off - or you can even put the Template:Help me (listed on the page]] on your own user talk page to request help. Welcome to Wikipedia! Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I might be responding to the wrong person. Oops! Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi MGMKE, You can request edits to the article about you using an edit request (Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard). You will need to include text that you want to change or add. You may need a reference for any changes you want to make. I will post a message on your talk page. Knitsey (talk) 17:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

[Edit conflicts] Hello, MGKME. Please note that if you are, as I suspect, the subject of the article Mari K. Eder, you yourself should not normally* be editing it because of your obvious Conflict of Interest. Rather you should place proposed changes (with any relevant references to sources) on that article's Talk page together with an Edit request template, so that a disinterested editor will be alerted to review the proposal and implement it if it complies with Wikipedia's principles, policies and procedures. (I'm afraid there are rather a lot of these.) This also applies to any of your work colleagues, relatives or friends.

* The main exception is that you (like anyone else) may remove additions by others that are not supported by cited references to Reliable sources. (Reading those linked Project pages should answer your question.) If something in the article is factually incorrect, but correctly summarises a cited source deemed reliable, you may not remove it, but may add contradicting information cited to other reliable sources. (For your interest, read the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability and the essay Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth.)

Please also note that it is Wikipedia's article about you, not 'your entry', and you cannot stipulate (though you can make requests about) what does or doesn't appear in it, provided that what does is correctly cited. Remember that this is an encyclopedia – see the essay Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not social media and the rather more voluminous Project page Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.

Finally, please carefully read Wikipedia:Ownership of content, and also Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (since you are one!). Hope this helps! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Anything I should make?

I don’t know if this is the right place to ask this question, but does anyone have any suggestions on an article I should make that isn’t already on Wikipedia. I just finished the article The Horde: How the Mongols Changed the World and want to make another. Please consider that I am good in history in the 1200s and 1300s in Mongolia and that I would gladly make a article in those subjects. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You could check out WP:Requests for articles, particularly Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Social_sciences/History#Asia, although you're forewarned that the list is not curated for quality and the article prompts listed there are not guaranteed to be viable. You could also check out relevant WikiProjects, such as WP:WikiProject Asia and check out whether they manage their own requested articles lists, or alternatively see if there are existing articles in the low-quality categories to see if you can expand them. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

In addition to what the other commenter wrote, you can also work on improving existing articles under that topic area, for example expanding start-class articles, adding citations, and copyediting articles. The folks over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mongols might have some interesting pages for you to edit. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 17:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Yuanmongolempiredynasty. Please, please, please, please, please, don't think that the only way to contribute to Wikipedia is by creating new articles! We have thousands, maybe millions, of articles that are really not very good, and need somebody to take the time and trouble to improve them (in most cases the main thing wrong with them is that they haven't got adequate references - by coincidence, this is often the most difficult and time-consuming part of working on any article).

I remember when I started editing Wikipedia, nearly twenty years ago, I so much wanted to find a new topic to add. But in that time I have only created a handful of articles. ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I could add many tasks. I think for example about the task consisting to add internal links to Wikipedia in English in articles.
There are words that aren't in red that could need a link. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:TASK is a good place to find a wide range of "things to do" on Wikipedia. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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How can i improve my page?

I'm actually working on the wikipedia page Villa Fraccaroli for a university project, i need to improve the page to be categorized as B before the 31 of december to get a good mark (it's actually start class), it is really difficult to find some good and reliable sources. Thank you in advance! Liucmicol01 (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it is not realistic to expect this page be categorized B before the 31 of december.
Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Liucmicol01, the lead (opening section) of an article should summarise the body of the article. As faar as I can tell, the second paragraph of Villa Fraccaroli does not relate to anything in the body of the article. Maproom (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

That seems like an unreasonable expectation, as the assessment depends on someone else doing the assessing, and Wikipedia has no deadlines. If your prof -- Limelightangel, it looks like? -- wants to do the assessments, they can, but it's not really reasonable to expect assessments to be done by others. Valereee (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Liucmicol01. As you were told two days ago, there is no way to guarantee that the article will get any particular rating by a particlar date, and few editors are much concerned with ratings anyway. But since you are concerned with ratings, you would do best to ask at the talk page of one of the Wikiprojects related to the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Liucmicol01 .... or just assign a "B" yourself and hope that your instructor doesn't notice who did that edit ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Although as MDT pointed out, you could yourself change the rating from C-class to B-class, don't. The article does not qualify. From just a quick look at some of the content and references, the refs do not always verify the content. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Search suggestions have changed for the worse

I have always been able to count on Wikipedia's search function to provide me with a list of articles connected with the term entered in the search field. Today, however, I'm not getting these, but rather only short and apparently arbitrary lists of articles that I've viewed or edited. When I type "A", for example, I get:

ajedrez
Angelou
Alvin Bragg
Abbot and Costello
Athena
Ari

When I add a "b" to this, the list becomes:

Abbot and Costello
Abe Fortas

When I add an "r", I get nothing, no Abrahams or anything else.

And so on. This is a purely arbitrary example, but I hope it serves to illustrate. What I would always get before would be a list of a dozen or so articles, which was limited but very often helpful. I checked my preferences but all I saw was "Disable the suggestions dropdown-lists of the search fields", which was unchecked as always. Any info or advice on this would be very welcome, thanks. Bret Sterling (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I personally always use advanced search, but you can try google with the modifier site:wiki.riteme.site to force it to only search wikipedia (or just type "wikipedia" before your search query) Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 17:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bret Sterling Are you using the current default WP:VECTOR22 skin? I find that its search box is better than for other, older, skins and the results for "Abr" are perfectly sensible, with the first suggestion being Abr. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for these suggestions, Cmrc23 and Michael D. Turnbull. The Advanced search option does provide me with many good finds and I should have been using it previously, but Content pages gives me results like I used to get directly under the search text field only more of them. I checked my WP skin and saw I was using the current default but still not getting the suggestions, so then I could figure it was something on my end and checked to see if I had "Block scripts" activated in Brave Shields. I saw that I did, deactivated it and now I'm getting the suggestions as before. Sorry, false alarm, this wasn't a Wikipedia change as I wrongly suspected. It's interesting that I could get suggestions on pages I've frequented by turning "Block scripts" back on, and I'm curious as to how that works – I mean the apparently default behavior without whatever the script is. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

But wait a minute. Now I'm not getting the alternative search options (Content pages, Multimedia, Everything, Advanced). Claude AI tells me to type "Special:Search" in the search box to access these and this works, but I had them there just now today without doing this. (I couldn't have done it because I was unaware of the possibility.) So how did I have those options for a while but then didn't have them afterwards? And (what may be the same question) how do I get them without having to type "Special:Search" in the search box? I can do that, but it seems clunky and I have to remember the text to type it. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

There a variety of userscripts to enhance the search function: Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Search_form Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bret Sterling I assume that by turning on "Block scripts" Brave Shields is preventing Javascript from running in your browser. The problem is that, as WP:JAVASCRIPT explains, Java is a core part of how much of Wikipedia works, both the standard Mediawiki software and many optional extras like gadgets and userscripts. So, if you are prevernting that running, you are sacrificing functionality for security. Is there an option in Brave Shields to exempt the Wikipedia domain from the block? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Timezone

Out of sheer curiosity, what Time zone does Wikipedia operate under? I'm in the Pacific Standard time zone, and the Did You Know... and On This Day... update at around 4:00pm every day. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Shovel Shenanigans WP operates under UTC but you can change the defaults you see in your preferences. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Shovel Shenanigans If you need help to change this in your preference. I can help. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Anatole-berthe That's okay, thank you! Honestly, the daily change at 4:00 helps me stick to my schedule. Since I almost always have Wikipedia open, I know it's time to take a break from my other computer-related work when the DYK and OTD changes.

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks for the quick reply, and my curiosity has been sated :) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

That's wonderful ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Papiermark and other money from Weimar Germany

Hi, I inherited some German banknotes from between 1908 and 1923 and I was wondering wether I could upload scans of them to Wikimedia. I scanned them in out of personal interest and then thought they might be useful.

My main question is about copyright, as in, do I have to ask someone for permission and if so who? But also whether I should digitally sharpen them and how do I properly sort them in? I'm quite new to this and any help is appreciated! The scans are at 1200dpi and saved as 98% JPEGs, with filesizes between 5 and 20MB. I already skimmed over WP:IUP but couldn't find anything related to money or bank notes and I read the copyright data of this scan but I'm unsure if this also applies to my case. Skylar Mlem (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, do you know who made the designs for the original banknotes? You might want to review the copyright information for this file: File:Banknote - Sächsische Bank zu Dresden - 100 Mark - 1911.jpg Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Skylar Mlem. The best place to ask about this sort of question is WP:MCQ. ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Skylar Mlem Another place, possibly better?, is at Wikipedia Commons where you will upload your images, and ultimately will have to defend copyright status. The help center for copyright issues at Commons is at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. You might find this old, archived Commons discussion on the copyright status of § German currency interesting as well. Mathglot (talk) 06:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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How do I welcome a new user?

I noticed a new user that hasn't been welcomed yet. I've seen the templates used on other talk pages; should I just copy paste the source and adapt, or is there a welcome button I can use instead? guninvalid (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Guninvalid. There are a number of welcome templates to choose from. Also, if you enable WP:TWINKLE, it has a dropdown menu that lets you select the welcome message that you want to leave on a user talk page, much easier that way. (Twinkle has a bunch of other really useful functions as well.) Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Guninvalid this might be of use to you, Wikipedia:Welcoming committee Knitsey (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't matter anymore, the user I wanted to welcome got blocked by the checkuser. I only wanted to welcome them because I posted them on WP:AN and I noticed they had never been welcomed. guninvalid (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mystery Dungeon additional info

Hey I just noticed that the mystery dungeon series is missing an entry and I wasnt sure where to ask to add it, this just seemed like the closest thing to an editor contact place. The entry in question is "Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy!" , released back in 2019 176.6.56.156 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

The article "Chocobo (series)" is not at all long; adequately referenced material about individual items in the series could be added to this article. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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I have a edited page when I was not logged in,now I am logged in,how do I get it back?

How,how do I get it back? 219.78.249.54 (talk) 04:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You were not logged in when you made this post. When you are correctly logged in, you can edit your userpage to reflect articles that you have worked on as an IP editor. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

And to find the pages you edited, look for your contributions: Special:Contributions/--Your-username--. eg Special:Contributions/219.78.249.54 shows editing Residence Oasis, but Sumanuil reverted all the edits. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Moving my English Wikipedia user page to media wiki for a global user page

I can move my English user page to media wiki to have a global page for all sister projects? I know I can just ask to delete my English page and make a media wiki one but I kinda wanna move it for the edit history. If I can't move it to media wiki ill just move it to User:Anthony2106/old user page Anthony2106 (talk) 04:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

What you are asking for @Anthony2106: is an import. You would have to find an administrator on meta, but even so may not be actionable. Instead I would advise you just to create a new page yourself on meta, as you will find that many templates are unavailable there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You saying they will only import important things -- not user pages? Also i'm not worried about the templates as I can use {{:w to get wikipedia templates. Anthony2106 (talk) 08:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

On this topic, I was wondering if making an account on english wikipedia counts as a global account for wikipedia purposes Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 10:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cmrc23 Did you created your account on "Wikipedia in English language" as first account for projects of Wikimedia ?

If you go on any Wikipedia language version or another Wikimedia project. If you click on "login" you can log into it.

I created my account on "French Wikipedia" as first account for projects of Wikimedia.

I can create accounts with the stuff I explained. Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Problematic BLP and stubifying

I've come across a BLP, Clifford M. Sobel, which seems to be highly problematic. There is a high amount of unsourced information and likely original research, and also substantial edits from a user named "SOBEL1" who I'm 90% sure has a conflict of interest or is a UPE. Digging through the revision history, there doesn't seem to be much salvageable revisions/info to revert to, and I'm considering stubifying it. However, I have concerns regarding if I should do it or not. Should I try and seek consensus to do it, if so where? Should I contact VRT? If anyone can give me an answer on this, it'd be appreciated. —Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 06:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the question, @Sparkle & Fade. Per WP:BLPRS (specifically: contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion emphasis not mine), you should be free to remove such poorly sourced content since you're challenging it. Unless you're successful in finding good sources of course. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 06:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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2024 events

What local incidents around the world, like the 2024 Magdeburg car attack are allowed to be mentioned in the events section of the 2024 year article. Marksaeed2024 (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Marksaeed2024. In my view, this tragic attack which has been the subject of significant coverage worldwide, ought to qualify. But potentially gigantic list articles such as year articles need to be restricted somewhat by consensus among editors interested in year articles, especially the current year. So, feel free to make a bold edit, but if you are reverted, Talk:2024 is the place to make your thoughtful case. Cullen328 (talk) 07:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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wtf?

since the fuck when is "black people" a "radical" term????? so is "white people" also considered radical? i am very curious to know.. seems pretty fucking retarded..... 68.142.49.124 (talk) 08:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Where did you see it being called radical? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Can we watch the vulgar language here? We try to be friendly and civil on this page. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

If you look at Black people it says "racialized classification", not "radical" Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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New page for author

Hello

i am a published author quoted on two Wikipedia pages . I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. This is my basic text:

Sarah Bax Horton is a British author of true crime and historical biography. Her first two books, One-armed Jack: Uncovering the Real Jack the Ripper (Michael O’Mara Books, 2023) and Arm of Eve: investigating the Thames Torso Murders were inspired by her great-great grandfather who worked on those original investigations.

Bax Horton proposed new prime suspects in each of her published works, putting forward East End cigar maker Hyam Hyams as Jack the Ripper and Thames waterman James Crick as the Thames Torso Killer. SCC68 (talk) 09:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Read this : Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Write about yourself isn't a thing to do.

Do you want more informations ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 09:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

SCC68 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing about yourself is highly discouraged, please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet our special Wikipedia definition of notability- like a notable author. Also note that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

and please don't promote your book on the Thames Torso Murders. Theroadislong (talk) 10:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I am an expert on this subject wishing to update an out of date and misleading page. I am also an author of books on this subject. SCC68 (talk) 13:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@SCC68, not an article, but Sarah Bax Horton is now a redirect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you SCC68 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

SCC68, you write: I would like to create a page about myself. It looks complicated and I need some help. People in a number of dodgy little companies are likely to read this, think "Maybe she'll pay" and may then solicit your business. (Perhaps individual Wikipedia editors will do the same.) But if you're wise, you'll ignore such offers. Please read and digest what's said in "Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning". -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Messed up title when reverting a non-discussed page move. Not sure how to proceed.

Hi. I don't know whether it's appropriate to ask but I messed up reverting a page move on the Man vs. Bee article. (renamed it to the upcoming sequel show, not the original by mistake), and I cannot fix it as another redirect article already exists. I'm unsure how to fix it and I have royally messed up. Thanks. Cheezknight (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cheezknight, I've moved the page back to Man vs. Bee for you. Let me know if everything looks good now! If a similar issue happens again, feel free to submit a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. That page is watched by a lot of page movers, who have more extensive permissions relating to moving and renaming articles than most users. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it as I was stumped on what to do. I don't usually move/ merge articles so thanks for fixing it and for pointing me in the right direction if future issues occur. Cheezknight (talk) 16:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Citations

How to present a citation? 2600:1700:60F8:B010:5113:50DB:F873:638B (talk) 12:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

See "Referencing" at WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Im trying to make a page for Jessica Christine Ritchie

Proposed article content

Jessica Christine Ritchie, is an American entrepreneur, artist, and educator Who is of Apache and Blackfoot heritage. She is the founder of DeerWomen, a luxury tea and beauty brand that merges herbal remedies with esoteric traditions. Early Life and Education Jessica Christine was born in California and raised in Spokane, Washington. Her upbringing amidst the natural landscapes of the Pacific Northwest nurtured a deep appreciation for nature, mythology, and esoteric sciences. She pursued her education at prestigious institutions such as the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in Antwerp, Belgium. Along her journey, she was mentored by notable figures, including author Francesca Lia Block and scholar Maja D'Aoust, further shaping her interdisciplinary approach to creativity and learning. Career DeerWomen In 2016, Jessica founded DeerWomen, a luxury tea and beauty brand. The brand reflects her passion for blending herbal remedies and ritualistic recipes with symbolic narratives drawn from folklore. DeerWomen offers a curated collection of products designed to enhance vitality and natural beauty, emphasizing the connection between self-care and authenticity. Relaunched in Antwerp, Belgium, in 2022, the brand’s offerings are now available in select stockists across the USA and Europe. Creative Direction and STEM Education Jessica’s career extends beyond entrepreneurship. She has worked as a Creative Director, organizing international events that catered to high-profile dignitaries, including Belgian royalty. As a STEM educator, Jessica has taught coding and 3D printing using innovative methods involving gaming and robotics, showcasing her dedication to integrating technology with creative expression. Personal Philosophy Jessica’s work is profoundly influenced by her Apache and Blackfoot heritage and a deep connection to nature. She advocates for personal rituals and self-care as essential elements of beauty, encouraging individuals to define beauty on their own terms. According to Jessica, true beauty arises when people engage passionately with activities they love. Legacy and Influence Jessica’s work bridges art, science, and cultural heritage, inspiring others to pursue their unique paths with intention and creativity. Her ability to harmonize traditional wisdom with modern practices makes her a significant figure in the realms of beauty, education, and entrepreneurship. See Also DeerWomen Website Jessica Christine on Missing Witches Podcast

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This article is a summary of Jessica Christine Ritchie Magdaleno’s professional and personal journey. Qualek (talk) 14:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

This looks largely promotional - which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Furthermore this text does not contain any independent secondary sources. Simply put - this text is inappropriate for Wikipedia as it stands. Simonm223 (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Qualek, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So writing an article starts with finding reliable independent sources (see 42). What you know about the subject is irrelevant, except where it can be verified from a published source. --ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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How I can improve my page?

Hi, I write here a few days ago, to ask if you all can help me to get my page approved (name page: Bove Path), and you all help me but also all my colleagues to get our draft page approved (we really appreciate your help).

I found myself here again to ask you what I can improve to possibly increase the score of the page. I already add the sources that were missing, as one of you recommended, any more suggestion? thank you in advance. LIUCChia.05 (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You can add pronunciation in "Italian language" indicated in "IPA". Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Bove Path is rated C-class. See Wikipedia:Content assessment to understand the differences between C-class and B-class. Although any editor, including you, can change the rating, I personally perfer to not upgrade ratings on articles I have been editing. David notMD (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Where can we see class of an article ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Top of Talk pages usually has ratings: Stub, Start, C-Class, B-class. For GA and FA there is additional detail as to when approved.

Back to article - in my opinion Biodiversity should be limited to what is near the trail, not the entire park. David notMD (talk) 15:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Even if the path cross the park itself? it is not a dispersive area you can find and encounter, with a bit of luck, all those species during the trekking itself. LIUCChia.05 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I have reassessed the article as "B". Cullen328 (talk) 17:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Diffs

I always forget the best way to show a "diff" in a post. Can someone explain to me how I'd show this edit, in a diff? Did I do it right? Just link the URL? I feel as if some editors do it so seamlessly and easily. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the question, @Iljhgtn. Yes, you linked the diff perfectly. There are also other ways to link diffs which you may or may not find easier. You can see Help:Diff#Linking to a diff for more examples. Here's one form I really like to use:

Typing this---> [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rickrolling&diff=prev&oldid=1263603391]

Would create this--->[14]

I hope this all helps! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I use visual editor except on talk pages where sometimes it is not possible or other pages where it might not be possible for some reason. I really wish they would enable visual editor everywhere too by the way! It is SO much better than source editor! Iljhgtn (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

But thanks, I am glad that my copying and pasting of the "diff" URL is essentially all that you need to do. I did not think it was that simple. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

What about finding a specific diff in the page history? Some people in talk page discussions seem to find tons of perfectly relevant diffs nearly instantly and it routinely blows my mind. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

For articles, the Who Wrote That? browser extension makes it really easy to locate when something was added. Schazjmd (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I use Microsoft Edge as my browser. Is that supported for this tool? Seems like such an interesting tool that it would almost make it worth to switch the browser that I use, though I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

It does. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn Assuming you're using a PC to edit, clicking "page history" at the top right will show you the list of revisions the page has went through. Each revision has "prev" and "cur" next to them. Clicking prev will show you the difference (diff!) with that revision and the previous one. Cur will show the difference between that revision and the current one. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I edit using a PC. Thanks for this information. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I have never quite figured out how to edit from a phone, plus I am worried that it would be from an IP then and might cause me problems somehow. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, please read my essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. If you are logged in on your phone, your IP address will not be disclosed and you will not have any unusual problems. I have made about 100,000 phone edits going back many years. Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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I'm really not sure why my article was declined.

It is a biography of a living person who created a global food chain and is now writing poetry and songs. His journey to Canada was significant. CLWwrites (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You will need to show how he could pass the criteria at WP:GNG, your draft gives no indication of that so far. Theroadislong (talk) 16:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Presumed - there is coverage in the Toronto Star Business section and in multiple newspapers globally. Many of the smaller papers have not archived all of their papers. Andy has a poem in the Kennedy Accessions Library (accessible online).

Significant coverage - no additional research is needed to extract the content. The history of his coming to Canada and how he grew his business here are clearly laid out.

Reliable - as mentioned above, I used verifiable sources and for a few instances, the smaller papers have not archived all of their earlier articles.

Sources - I have used secondary sources.

Independent of the subject - there are many messages of congratuations and thanks for participating in events. I was having difficulty uploading their private photos.

If you can tell me what is wrong I can fix it. Right now I don't know what is wrong. CLWwrites (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@CLWwrites You appear to have written that article WP:BACKWARDS. Please read that essay and if and when you have found appropriate sources start again. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? I wrote the article in the time sequence it occured... CLWwrites (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I am feeling frustrated right now. CLWwrites (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @CLWwrites, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that that frustration is a common experience for editors who start editing Wikipedia and immediately plunge into the challenging task of creating an article without spending time learning how Wikipedia works first. Would you enter a major competation in a sport you have only just taken up? Would you expect to understand the feedback you got if you did?

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

When Shantavira says you have written your draft backwards, that is a link to a page that explains; but in short: you appear to have written what you know and then looked for sources. Baldly, Wikipedia doesn't care what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia only cares about material that is verified by reliable published sources, so writing an article starts by finding such sources. Then, if you have found several sources which each meet the criteria in WP:42, you can start writing a summary of what those sources say (not what you know). ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@CLWwrites, its not about time sequence. First, find the multiple reliable independent sources that describe the topic. Each such source must be in-depth, reliably published, and independent of the subject, all three at the same time. Next, write the article using only those sources. That is writing an article in the proper direction. Backward is writing what you know and looking for sources to support it later. That is almost never successful. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you StarryGrandma...at least this helps me know what to do. CLWwrites (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

To expand on this, we are asking you to show that he is already well-known by providing material that people independent of him have written in-depth about him and published in places with editorial oversight. If he is not already well-known then he can still be a significant person, but we don't include him in this encyclopedia. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)