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Mohadevpur Sarba Mongala (Pilot) High School

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Tagged for notability by Abishe shortly after it was created. The creator removed the tag and continued to expand it, but never added a source. The external link is to an indiscriminate self-published website that does not help establish notability. My own searches didn't find sources to satisfy WP:NSCHOOL. Could potentially redirect to Mohadevpur Upazila, where it is mentioned in a list of 26 secondary schools. Worldbruce (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Woolf College, Kent

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this college of the University of Kent, and added an independent reference confirming its establishment in 2008. I cannot see significant coverage in independent sources, however - the reference I have added has only one sentence of coverage - , and do not think it is notable independently of University of Kent. I originally tagged it with notability issues in 2022, and redirected it to University of Kent yesterday, but this has been reverted by another editor. Tacyarg (talk) 21:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP: Woolf College meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for educational institutions and should be kept as a separate article. A precedent for keeping articles on colleges of the University of Kent was set in the Turing College AfD discussion (2018), where the result was to keep the article. The discussion highlighted that Kent is a semi-collegiate university, and each of its colleges plays a unique role in student life, not merely as halls of residence, but with distinct functions such as administrative offices and college masters.

Specifically, the Turing College AfD concluded that, like other Kent colleges (such as Eliot, Rutherford, Keynes, and Darwin), Turing College warranted a separate article due to its role within the university and the broader context of collegiate universities in the UK, such as Lancaster and York, which also have articles for their individual colleges. The same reasoning should apply to Woolf College, as it too is a functioning residential and academic unit within the University of Kent.

Historical Precedent: Just as Turing College was retained as a standalone article despite concerns about notability, Woolf College should be given the same consideration. The semi-collegiate structure of the University of Kent supports the argument that each college has independent significance and contributes uniquely to the university.

Consistency with Other Colleges: There is a clear pattern of keeping separate articles for colleges at Kent, and merging them into a single article would risk losing the distinct identity and contributions of each college. The precedent established in the Turing College AfD discussion supports this approach.

Given these points and the Turing College precedent, I believe Woolf College should be kept as a separate article, consistent with the treatment of other Kent colleges. GreenALC (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP: I would like to expand on my initial points regarding Woolf College’s notability. While the college's primary role is to provide accommodation, it also hosts a variety of academic events, including international conferences and lectures focused on subjects related to Virginia Woolf and broader literary themes. These events contribute to the college’s unique identity within the University of Kent and enhance its cultural and academic significance.

As an example, in 2018, Woolf College hosted the 28th Annual International Conference on Virginia Woolf, which brought together scholars from around the world. More recently, in 2024, the college hosted a lecture by Professor Rachel Bowlby on the theme of Virginia Woolf and the Property Market, demonstrating its continuing academic engagement with the legacy of Woolf and her relevance in contemporary discourse.

This active role in hosting significant academic events contributes to the college’s function as an academic and cultural hub within the university, much like Turing College, Eliot College, and Darwin College, which have retained individual articles due to their distinct history, facilities, and contributions to the university’s structure. Woolf College, in the same vein, fulfills a comparable function and warrants the same consideration for a separate article.

I hope this additional information helps clarify why Woolf College meets the standards for notability and why it should be retained as a standalone article. GreenALC (talk) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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SMK Sultan Mansor Shah

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Articles for deletion/SMK Sultan Mansor Shah (2nd nomination)

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Previous nomination WP:Articles for deletion/Sultan Mansor Shah Secondary School was outdated for the later WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES on the February 2017 RFC. WP:R made in [1] by Alexander Iskandar and [2] by Hongqilim which were reverted should be a proper move. My first AfD nomination, hehe. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 2 google news hits. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 09:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Balagarh High School

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A draft that was moved into mainspace. It's poorly sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No SIGCOV sources found. These college and school articles are everywhere and this also fail to meet WP:NSCHOOL. GrabUp - Talk 05:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect No notability per WP:GNG, we most definitely don't need the staff list. Possibly redirect to West Bengal Board of Secondary Education but that's not a clear target as there is no Hooghly district there. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for target we need a source which I am unable to see. GrabUp - Talk 09:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sources don't meet notability. Fails WP:NSCHOOL and staff list definitely not needed. Procyon117 (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Horizon International School, Hennur

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Created by a single purpose editor. All the provided sources are directory listings and not indepth. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 22:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - small and new school. Too soon. We are not a directory. Bearian (talk) 03:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as Bearian says, this is WP:TOOSOON. No evidence of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meramec Valley Christian School

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My WP:BEFORE search did not turn up any coverage that would indicate that this organization meets WP:GNG or WP:NSCHOOLS. Hog Farm _Talk 04:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:SCHOOLRFC and nom's comments. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DRS International School

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notabilty under GNG or SNG. There are zero independent references discussing the school, much less GNG references. The closet thing are two interviews of school managers. This appears to be a small franchise-type commercial/business operation. North8000 (talk) 22:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rosemount High School (Montreal)

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No refs on the page. Nothing much found which could count towards the notability criteria and schools do not have inherent notability. JMWt (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DELETE as per nomination

UzbukUdash (talk) 05:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Some independent coverage online. Here, here, here, and here. Bremps... 22:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I found multiple sources on newspapers.com, such as here which I will add today. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lycée naval

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There were no refs on the page until I added one earlier. On further reflection I am not seeing anything else and I don't think this is sufficient to meet the GNG. fr.wiki is of no real help as the only substantive sources there are from the French government. JMWt (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there is also the unsourced Brest Naval Training Centre and the barely-sourced École navale and École de maistrance. Probably sourcing is too thin for individual articles but some merger would be preferable to deletion. Mccapra (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Brest Naval Training Centre, or possibly merge both to Brest Arsenal. I don't see sufficient coverage about this high school; my French isn't good enough to determine if there is sufficient coverage of the training center. For the Arsenal itself, the current government sources (and 200 years of historical records) are enough, even though the sourcing in that article is sub-par. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Brest Naval Training Centre or else keep. - This one is made tricky by my lack of access to possible sources, because at least one of the sources I found seems quite confusing, but would tend to confirm notability. I am leaning keep, but coming down on the side of Merge because French wikipedia tells us that Brest Naval Training Centre is located the buildings of the former Naval school, and now hosts two training schools (écoles de formation) and this lycée. That is, the Naval training centre is a combined naval training and education facility that would be a good home for this article content, and could be expanded. However, WP:MADRENAME is required. This page should correctly be either Lycée naval de Brest or its English name Brest naval high school. Those would be how this is searched for, and the current name would make a poor redirect.
Now as to why I would be leaning keep, and think this should be at least a merge, I have found extensive mentions, although, without full access to the books, have not proven SIGCOV. Some examples:

Le Monde de l'éducation (in French). S.A.R.L. Le Monde. 1994. - Le Monde is a French paper of record and these mentions are in a published collection. I cannot verify the indpendence of these mentions, as they are in an educational supplement, but likely are independent.
Gautier, Sébastien (13 July 2016). Une si belle journée (in French). Les Éditions du Net. ISBN 978-2-312-04548-1. - Mentions in a book about diving.
Bouvier, Claudia (23 March 2022). Codename Corvus Thriller: Band 1 Die Iskander - Verschwörung (in German). tredition. ISBN 978-3-347-47148-1. - Mentions in a German work of fiction.
Lormier, Dominique (4 May 2016). Histoires extraordinaires de la Seconde Guerre mondiale (in French). Cherche Midi. ISBN 978-2-7491-4084-1. - This book is about extraordinary :stories from the Second World War. It mentions this school, which would be very signiifcant, except it is apparently impossible - the school was started in 1968. I do not have the book, and I cannot see enough of the preview to unravel this. It may be, however, that the prior school is what is meant.

In addition to these there are very many news articles and other links (lots of books that are self published - so I ignored those). But it is a particular school in a historic building, one of just a few such schools and hosted in a nationally significant naval training centre. It should be kept in some form. But per WP:PAGEDECIDE, I think the merge is appropriate (at least unless and until enough information is found for a spinout). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looks like we have "don't delete", looking for more sources (to take us to keep) or for confirmation that merge is the way to go at this point.
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Christian Brothers' College, Boksburg

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No refs on the page for many years. I see some passing mentions in autobiographies and regurgitated PR in local media but nothing significant. I'd be interested to hear if anyone can find much else JMWt (talk) 07:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gymnasium Neufeld

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No refs on the page for a very long time. I don't speak relevant languages but I'm not seeing the substantial RS needed to meet the notability criteria JMWt (talk) 11:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No references, clearly not notable and needs significant cleanup- no infobox. This feels more like a draft. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 11:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Seems like a half-assed copy and paste (and translation) from the German Wikipedia, including the contents. The first paragraph of the history in the German article matches the one here. Procyon117 (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:NEXIST. I mean, it's a disaster right now, but sources [3] definitely exist for this [4] [5] [6] from just a brief search. Ignore the bad page grouping the coverage isn't just in the highlighted bits, lots of full page coverage. This took me less than five minutes. Lots of seemingly substantial hits in Google Books and I didn't even go past the second page of the Swiss newspaper archive. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There's a significant coverage at page 23 of this source coupled with the other source PARAKANYAA pointed out. These are enough. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - From what we have so far, this is marginal, but as a rule of thumb, this is a school with 1,000 on role, open since 1966. My expectation is there is more than we have found, and so I am ready to !vote keep. The first thing to note is the German Wikipedia article is much fuller [7] and I have added an inter language expand template to link it to the page. But then, looking at the sourcing on that page, I was disappointed to find it was all primary and thus not much use for notability purposes. So then I looked at what PARAKANYAA found. I cannot review AC 41, but that issue has an article about the architecture of schools. Thus the coverage is, I expect, about the architecture of the new school building, which would accord with the date, as this was when the school was founded. That is one interesting source. Then there are three articles from Der Bund. Der Bund is a newspaper local to Bern. The first is about a stir caused by a couple of students doing chicken embryo experiments. It looks like this kicked off an animal rights kerfuffle, but was a storm in a teacup. What it does not have is anything we can write a school article from. The second tells us that in 1976 the school hosted some modern art by an artist. It is not a permanent fixture, and unless the school remains a home to works of notable modern art, I don't see how that could be used in the article either. The third is an article about cycle routes and the school gets a passing mention as a destination. So I wouldn't say any of those local news articles count towards notability. But again, that is on strict application of GNG or NORG. What the articles do show is that the school gets repeated mentions in local press (as you would expect) over the course of years. I expect there will be notable students, and other coverage. The architecture source could be counted as one (although is the interest in the building sustained?) The article can be expaned from the German page, but sourcing remains problematic. Problematic but not impossible. We should probably keep it. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, there were a lot more hits on both Google Books and the Swiss newspaper archive I looked at, I just grabbed the ones that had headings that talked about it on the first page. I will check again later today. Switzerland had at the time a relatively peculiar media ecosystem where there were only a handful of non-regional papers; I believe Der Bund was fairly prestigious at the time but I'm basing that off a 1960s article I read a while back so I don't know how applicable that is. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would like to remind all friends of the following. WP:ORGCRIT (which applies to schools) insists that coverage needs to be significant. The nutshell at the top of WP:ORG insists that the coverage must not be trivial or incidental. So the first question is whether the sources offered above are trivial and incidental or substantial. I say that coverage about an art exhibition is trivial. I say that coverage about a minor event is incidental. I say that any further coverage about ex-students is trivial and/or incidental. I know this is a hard standard to reach but this is the current consensus at WP:NSCHOOL. It has to be substantial. A history of the school. Substantial news articles about the school. Are there likely to be those in existence? That’s the only question we are to answer. I say no. Unless someone can prove that there have has substantial coverage of this kind, then we are clasping at straws and we should !delete until such time as third party RS give this kind of coverage. JMWt (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are there likely to be those in existence? I think I was clear that my weak keep is based on my belief that the answer to that is likely to be yes. But certainly not proven to be. I would certainly support a relist for a week to allow for more source discovery. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you think it is likely to be yes? Unless you can show that there is an offline book on the history of this school, it seems to me that the only argument you are making is because of the age of the school substantial coverage must exist. I don’t think that’s a given at all. It’s entirely possible that the only coverage going back decades is trivial. And the onus is on the !keep voters to show that the sources exist - even if none of us can actually access or open them - in order to WP:V the contents of the page as well as to show it is notable according to RS. JMWt (talk) 16:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was quite clear on the basis of my comments and see no need to re-iterate. The US embassy in Switzerland host this speech given at the school [8]. Also there is a history, in the form of a documentary (a secondary source) here [9] but as it is a visual documentary it gives little to write an article from. There were public viewings of this film in at least 3 Bern cinemas. The 2016 celebration this was made for may well have elicited other materials that might be useful for the article. Finally, although I mentioned NORG, and those are the appropriate SNGs for schools, note that NSCHOOL says a school must meet either NORG or GNG. We are not even at a clear GNG pass yet, but based on everything I have seen, I doubt this school will fail. There is a certain amount of language bias here. An American school of this calibre would have attracted a string of keeps by now. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. There are press reports below the information about the film on that website, that appears to suggest that it is notable. JMWt (talk) 17:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be pedantic, NORG says schools "must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page), the general notability guideline, or both", not that NORG is the only test for schools. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flatiron School

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Run of the mill bootcamp, coverage is all highly routine and of questionable independence. I can see maybe one source that's barely usable, but the rest are far short of what we'd need for NCORP, and we definitely need multiple. It might be possible to redirect this somewhere, but I can't think of any plausible targets. Also probably going to nom Chester Ismay later. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - in the immortal words of Frank Zappa, this article is "strictly commercial". Advertorial all the way. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 20:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I just took Chester Ismay to AfD actually while reviewing both that page in this in a WP:BEFORE. Flatiron School references fall short of WP:ORGCRIT in that they are routine announcements and basic churnalism. I would recommend a redirect to WeWork but looks like another company bought them since that acquisition so that would not be an option. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think someone forgot to check the book references 2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C (talk) 21:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Eisenmann, Thomas; AlQahtani, Halah (January 2017). "Flatiron School". Harvard Business Review. Archived from the original on 2024-07-21. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  This is a 19-page Harvard Business Review case study of Flatiron School. The abstract notes: "In late 2016, the founders of Flatiron School, a startup offering 12-week coding bootcamps, are formulating their growth strategy. Their new online-only program has matched the excellent job placement results for their in-person bootcamps. Should Flatiron shift investment to aggressively expand online or grow online and in-person bootcamps in tandem? Should they pursue opportunities to sell online programs to universities and corporations, in addition to their direct-to-consumer offer?"
2. Mitchell, Josh (2016-08-12). "Coding Boot Camps Attract Tech Companies". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on 2024-06-18. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  The article notes: "In a graffiti-splashed classroom in lower Manhattan, students are learning to write computer code at a private academy whose methods and results have caught the eye of Silicon Valley and the Obama administration. The Flatiron School’s 12-week course costs $15,000, but earns students no degree and no certificate. What it does get them, at an overwhelming rate, is a well-paying job. Nearly everyone graduates, and more than nine in 10 land a job within six months at places like Alphabet Inc.’s Google and Kickstarter. Average starting salary: $74,447. ... At Flatiron, students spend 10 to 12 hours a day for 12 weeks on projects such as building a duplicate version of online-review site Yelp from scratch. The school’s staff calls tech firms throughout the week, both to promote their graduates’ abilities and to learn employers’ constantly shifting needs, including what software they use."
3. Johnson, Sydney (2017-10-20). "Who's Holding Coding Bootcamp Accountability Accountable?". EdSurge. Archived from the original on 2024-08-20. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  The article notes: "That showed this week when New York-based Flatiron School, a coding bootcamp, was fined $375,000 by the state’s attorney general for misleading advertising and operating without a license. Flatiron is hardly the first bootcamp to come under fire for falsely advertising its outcomes. What makes this a particularly ironic case, though, is that Flatiron is part of the Quality Assurance Taskforce, a consortium of 25 organizations that include non-profit universities, investors and coding bootcamps and has a stated goal “to drive industry-wide accountability and transparency” for non-traditional learning providers. ... Regardless, Flatiron’s membership in an accountability program didn’t render it immune from its own violations and a resulting inquiry by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman."
4. Lohr, Steve (2017-08-24). "As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2017-08-25. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  The article notes: "The Flatiron School in New York may have discovered one path. Founded in 2012, Flatiron has a single campus in downtown Manhattan and its main offering is a 15-week immersive coding program with a $15,000 price tag. More than 95 percent of its 1,000 graduates there have landed coding jobs. In late 2015, the co-founders, Adam Enbar and Avi Flombaum, decided to try an online-only offering, Learn.co. The tuition is $1,500 a month. Students go at their own pace, and on average complete the course in seven months, putting in about 800 hours. Tuition charges stop after eight months — and there are instructors online 16 hours a day for help and advice. ... The school was the subject of a Harvard Business School case study, published this year, which found that the early success of the online-only course has “expanded strategic options for Flatiron.” But just how much is uncertain. “It’s pretty clear that they can do it at the scale they have,” said Thomas Eisenmann, a professor and lead author of the study. “What’s not clear is whether it can go from a hundred or a few hundred to thousands and thousands.”"
5. Swarns, Rachel L. (2014-06-23). "Creating Unexpected Opportunities in a Recovering Economy: Flatiron School Program Expands New York's Web Developer Ranks". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2016-04-26. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  The article notes: "Then a friend invited her to a meet-up for computer programmers at the Flatiron School in Manhattan. ... At the Flatiron School, which trains people in software coding, Ms. Eady met female programmers and programmers of all shades. She met musicians who were coding, finance guys who were coding. She met creative people who talked about building things — new apps, new websites, new ways to tell stories. ... When she discovered that the city was offering fellowships for people interested in learning coding at Flatiron, she jumped at the chance. So did about 1,200 other applicants. The program is run by the New York City Department of Small Business Services, which contracted with Flatiron to offer a free, 22-week course to New Yorkers who earned less than $50,000 and had never worked as web developers. (The course normally costs $12,000.) Twenty-eight people made the final cut, including Ms. Eady."
6. Mullin, Joe (2017-10-19). "One of the original coding schools must pay $375k over employment claims: New York's Flatiron School was ordered to alter website, hit with a hefty fine". Ars Technica. Archived from the original on 2023-06-10. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  The article notes: "Flatiron's application for licensing its second campus, opened in 2013, didn't go smoothly. In June 2016, Flatiron reached out by e-mail to inquire about its second license. New York's Bureau of Proprietary School Supervision responded two months later with a cease-and-desist letter telling the school to stop operations. Flatiron didn't stop operations while it was getting its licensing in order, so the Bureau held that the school's second campus operated from 2013 until 2017 without a license."
7. Thompson, Clive (2019). Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World. New York: Penguin Books. pp. 352–353. ISBN 978-0-7352-2058-4. Retrieved 2024-10-31 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Avi Flombaum is trying to figure out one of these new routes. He's the founder of the Flatiron School, a boot camp that takes people and, for about $15,000 in tuition, puts them through an intense 15-week training curriculum. When I visit their campus in the Wall Street district of Manhattan, about 200 students sit at long tables, working in pairs as they puzzle through the nuances of Ruby. One student is sketching out a snippet of code for his partner with a dry-erase marker, writing right on the table itself. ... He wound up getting a bunch of his students jobs, and thought, hmm, maybe he could scale this up. He and a partner launched the Flatiron School in 2012, and since then it has graduated almost 2,000 students. Flatiron is, like many boot camps, renowned for being an absolute cram of knowledge. Before admission, students are encouraged to complete a free 15-week online course that introduces them to the basics of Ruby or JavaScript. While they're in session, many stay late into the evening, working on projects with colleagues. About half of the students are women, and most are young, including students who finished college but decided coding was a better bet for employment than the subject they majored in; others had been in the workforce but didn't like their job and wanted to switch careers. One recent student came from a pig farm in Texas."
8. Sprinkle, Timothy (2015). Kelley, Erin (ed.). Screw the Valley: A Coast-to-Coast Tour of America's New Tech Startup Culture: New York, Boulder, Austin, Raleigh, Detroit, Las Vegas, Kansas City. Dallas: BenBella Books. pp. 82–83. ISBN 978-1-940363-30-1. Retrieved 2024-10-31 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "That's the approach that Avi Flombaum is taking at his coding startup, the Flatiron School, which moved from the Silicon Alley district near Union Square to the southern tip of Manhattan in late 2013 as part of a city-backed program to bring hipper, more growth-oriented companies to the Financial District. After working on a series of startups, he created the Flatiron School in 2012 after teaching a few programming classes on Skillshare (which is run by a friend) and helping out at General Assembly. The whole operation is self-funded and it charges about $10,000 for a three-month, full-time course that promises to teach normal people how to code, regardless of their background."
9. Kessler, Sarah (2013-04-18). "How Flatiron School Makes New Programmers–In Just 12 Weeks". Fast Company. Archived from the original on 2024-07-14. Retrieved 2024-10-31.
  The article notes: "In September, he cofounded something between the two extremes. Called the Flatiron School, the program offers 12 weeks of full-time, intensive instruction (plus pre-work) “designed to turn you into a web developer” for a $10,000 tuition fee. The school’s only classroom, located in a walk-up near Madison Square Park in New York City, looks more like a startup. Some students work at Ikea desks pushed together to create one long table. Others sit on a sofa with their laptops. About 80% of the class has a background in either writing, music, or photography. Two are pregnant. One is a former professional poker player. Another is a founder of SparkNotes."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Flatiron School to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm locked out of my library account because I didn't reset my password when they asked me to (oops, though I really do wish they didn't make me do it every three months) so it might be a few days before I can look at the Harvard Business Review article, but I had seen the news articles, and especially the Fast Company one seemed pretty rubbish to me (like, in terms of meeting SIRS. I'm sure it's interesting to people outside of that context). It's mostly quotes, the genre is more in line with a human-interest story, so while it does have a little bit of secondary content, I don't see it meeting the other three criteria. Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The Harvard Business Review study is pretty convincing on its own. It gets plenty of coverage in books, largely as case studies, but those are still significant. Newspaper sources need some careful evaluation, but the sources provided by Cunard are multiple, include articles in papers of record, and appear to be independent. There is secondary information here, and so GNG is quite clearly met, and these reviews are good enough to meat WP:ORGDEPTH too. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: the source quotes shown above by Cunard are but a fraction of the available coverage for this topic. I investigated some of the hits from the IP's Google Books link and there is in-depth coverage in books published by university presses which Cunard didn't even touch on. The policy section WP:OR#Reliable sources says that university press books are among the most reliable sources. Left guide (talk) 07:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Alvernia High School (Jamaica)

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No refs on the page for many years, nothing much found suggesting notability criteria have been met JMWt (talk) 08:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I found a few sources online and added them to the article when I saw this AfD, and have been waiting to see what other editors' views were. The school has existed for 99 years and evidently educates girls from some influential families, with at least one notable former student, Staceyann Chin. Safiya Sinclair, who didn't attend the school, mentions it in her memoir: "all the brightest girls either went to Montego Bay High School or Mount Alvernia High School". Because of these factors, I'd be surprised if there were not references in offline sources, memoirs, local history, that we are just not finding online. Tacyarg (talk) 17:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - What we need are sources about the school from which an article can be written, and those remain hard to find, but per Tacyarg, there seems to be a prima facie case for a presumption of notability here. For instance, various reliable sources, referring to former students, call this school "prestigious". E.g. [10], [11]. This accords with Tacyarg's searches too regarding thw words of Safiya Sinclair. There are research case studies based in the school such as [12]. It was formerly St. James Academy, under which name it is a little tricky to search (many false hits), but clearly was established in 1925. Unfortunate that we only have primary sources [13] from which the article can be written, yet it looks notable. There is a danger that if we synthesise primary sources we end up with original research, a secondary history article and not a tertiary encyclopaedic one. I'd consider a redirect but I don't think anything is appropriate. So I think we keep it and proceed with caution. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep at 99 years old, notability can indeed be presumed and there is that hint of notability from the sources found by Tacyarg. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Universities and colleges

Sonoran University of Health Sciences

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Non-notable education business. Most sources are discussion of naturopathy itself, don't mention the article topic, the other three are PRs or the institution's own website. No evidence of coverage in secondary sources. Jdcooper (talk) 00:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep or merge into a new article "Naturopathic schools in the US". I generally agree with Jdcooper's comments but question whether the conclusion is to delete. I tried to improve this article after discovering that it was substantially written by an employee. Despite database searches, I could find little independent and reliable coverage. Sonoran is formerly Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine & Health Sciences. A recent investigation found that its "medical" graduates had the 4th highest debt to earnings ratios among graduate programs in the US. According to tax filings, Sonoran had $20 million of revenues in FY2023. This seems pretty significant, so I don't think a complete deletion is warranted. ScienceFlyer (talk) 17:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Significant, independent coverage does not seem to exist. When the name of the university comes up it is only in brief mentions in articles discussing naturopathic issues at large (example). A merge can't take place if the target article doesn't exist yet; creating it would likely end up with the same issues this article has until other naturopathy schools are identified and added to it, and we would end up with an article that takes a bunch of non-notable information and collates it under a topic that might be notable. NUNM has similar issues, but is discussed more in depth by sources; revenues can be an indicator of notability but it is not coming up in the sources. Recon rabbit 16:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Insufficient independent reliable sources. The Banner talk 17:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lagos State Model College Badore

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Non-notable school. The only source (the second's link is dead) is the school's own website, and I found very little reliable sources with significant coverage online. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete It’s a small high school, one of tens of thousands in a country of tens of millions. No evidence or even allegations of anything special. Bearian (talk) 10:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As at the time this article was created, WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES was still in effect and I can remember in the aftermath one of the consensus was that it should be more applied to futuristic articles rather with older articles. In its current state, from a referencing perspective, the article might not contain much but that is because of the digital coverage of secondary schools in its demography, especially one that is tuition-free by the government.

However, despite these challenges, Lagos State Model College Badore is one of the few high schools that manages to still have numerous mentions in multiple reliable sources from time to time, it might not be substantial but there are many sources which are actually independent, so I strongly disagree with the nom and !delete above. Just imagine an high school defeats all government-owned schools in New York (or the commercial capital of the US) in a very top and historic competition, will you still classify such an high school as "small and nothing special"? Please read this and this. There are still many more sources, I remember the school producing a one-day governor of Lagos State in the early 2000s.

If the state of the article is the issue, I understand that and it can be improved but certainly not being a "small school", and I am saying this being very factual as someone that have independently researched multiple secondary schools in Lagos. HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no grandfathering in of old pages. All schools must meet WP:NORG or WP:GNG. Thanks for the two sources. These are, in fact, primary sources (news reporting), and the real issue with them is they give nothing we can use to write an in depth page about the school. We are looking for articles from which we can write the page. Histories would be ideal, but secondary sources that analyse the school in any way can all be used. Do you happen to know who the governor of the state was? Notable alumni are relevant. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me spill some ugly truth especially since you said: All schools must meet WP:NORG or WP:GNG, if you are waiting to see multiple independent significant coverage in reliable source for a public secondary school in this demography, you will never get that. Reliable sources do not care about secondary schools except they are paid. The best you will see is when news-worthy events happen in the school, they might cover it. That's all. As for the governor, I did a basic Google search and she is actually the first female governor in Lagos ever. You can read 1, 2. HandsomeBoy (talk) 22:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I am reading that source right, the student won a spelling bee and got to act as the governor for a day as a prize. That doesn't make her notable, nor does it add to notability of the school. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not inherited, and notable alumni doesn't make the school notable. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of schools in Lagos where it is listed. Per HandsomeBoy, there is no coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. I found a handful of news reports - an extremly small number, in fact. These are primary and don't give anything to say about the school itself. HandsomeBoy is correct that this is largely down to where the school is located, and the paucity of English language sources is not unusual for Nigerian schools, and it is unfortunate. However the purpose of location of sources is to allow an encyclopaedic article to be written. Without sources the article is doomed to be an unverifiable stub. If it is the case that such sources will never arise then it is also the case that we cannot have the article. Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. I would be hopeful that some history of the school will be written one day, and when that happens the redirect can be overwritten and the page restored based on the coverage in reliable secondary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect to List of schools in Lagos. Even when taking Googles geographical bias in account, there are insufficient independent sources that hint to the school notability. The Banner talk 17:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sant Baba Bhag Singh University

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The article does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for educational institutions. Sant Baba Bhag Singh University lacks significant academic achievements, industry recognition, or research contributions to justify a dedicated article. The content is overly promotional, with honorific language suggesting it may have been authored by an individual affiliated with the university. Furthermore, the cited sources are either critical of the university’s legitimacy or do not contribute to establishing its notability. Previous attempts to address these issues through WP:PROD were removed without resolution. VeritasVanguard (talk) 03:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The University lacks SIGCOV sources, which fails it to meet WP:NSCHOOL and WP:GNG. Also, no appropriate redirect target found so no WP:ATD. GrabUp - Talk 03:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Fully accredited degree issuing University recognized by the University Grants Commission (India) added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pharaoh of the Wizards: Could you please specify any guideline that states being a ‘fully accredited, degree-issuing university recognized by the University Grants Commission (India)’ makes a university notable? I don’t see any. WP:NSCHOOL clearly states that it requires WP:SIGCOV coverage from multiple reliable, independent sources—to meet notability criteria, and the sources you provided are not significant at all. GrabUp - Talk 05:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just Recognition by UGC India do not make them notable. as mentioned by @GrabUp this university fails to meet much of the guidelines/criteria of Wikipedia. VeritasVanguard (talk) 10:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that source you add must be reliable and should not be paid. Small News Reporting services usually are paid. VeritasVanguard (talk) 10:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, need to improve UzbukUdash (talk) 04:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@UzbukUdash: Why are you low-effort voting on multiple AfDs without providing guideline-specific arguments? How do you think this article meets notability? Please clarify. GrabUp - Talk 05:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UGC provided doc that confirmed the official prove that this institution exists from 2017, can check 0902037_SANT-BABA-BHAG-ANNEX2.pdf pass Notability. the text in the body is not efficient in my opinion need to elaborate thats why I'm focusing on IMPROVE. thanks UzbukUdash (talk) 06:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@UzbukUdash: First, read WP:NSCHOOL. Institutes are not inherently notable just because they exists; it needs to have in-depth coverage from multiple reliable sources to meet notability. GrabUp - Talk 06:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@UzbukUdash Looks like you are not familiar with the concept of Notability being discussed here. Please see Wikipedia:Notability & Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). VeritasVanguard (talk) 10:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Actual coverage of this university beyond the simple fact that the university exists is quite sparse. This may have passed muster before 2017, but certainly not now. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Tone is not the issue at hand (altogether now: deletion is not cleanup) but notability most certainly is. On the issue of degree awarding institutions, WP:schooloutcomes tells us that "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions have enough coverage to be notable" but also tells us that Schooloutcomes should be AVOIDED in deletion discussions. The standards are WP:N and WP:ORG - and this institution fails both. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deeside College

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Badly written, barely sourced promotional article about a college that ceased to exist in 2013. At best some elements could be transferred over to a history section in Coleg Cambria. If you look at this edit and compare the section headings with those in this wayback machine snapshot of the college's history, you will see that it is very likely that the content is straight copy/paste copyvio - even though the original content was not archived by wayback machine and is therefore likely lost. However, you can see 100% that the list of college principals is lifted word for word from the the college history page. The content is highly suspect and a proper analysis might show a drastic revdel is needed. Best option is just to go ahead and delete the article. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~, badly written is not a WP:DELREASON (WP:CONTN). It clearly has the history and can also be converted to a contemporary campus article. Dissolved colleges don't lose notability. Merging all the colleges into Coleg Cambria would be messy as it is a multi-campus merged college, and like merging all of Cambridge's colleges into Cambridge Uni. Dank Jae 21:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you re-read my reasoning above as I just edited it. Sorry. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would WP:TNT apply? If it is specifically this version of the article needing deletion based on quality/copyvio issues, but the topic remains notable? Ideally needing a full re-write or re-do?

I'd argue it is still notable, regardless of when it ceased, and while it may not be a separate college anymore, it operates a distinct campus and programme within Coleg Cambria. Always was on my to-do list to convert to a campus and history article. Dank Jae 22:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blow it up and start over would be wonderful. In fact I'd help you re-write it from scratch. 10mmsocket (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional delete on the basis for re-write WP:TNT, but not on notability concerns (otherwise keep), oppose any merge. Del based on lots of potential copyvio revisions and mass unsourced content. Additionally, the article may be converted into the contemporary campus, meaning a re-write may have little resemblance with the current, as well as the sheer amount of review needed for the current unsourced content, so best TNT. Any links to the deleted article should be kept, in anticipation of a revival. Additionally lots of the content dates to a 2010 version (or before), so the sources may be harder to find today for that in-depth content and haven't been added for over a decade. However, still open to a keep and re-write, if there's agreement for the current version to be massively cut if not deleted. Dank Jae 22:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment TNT is an essay and not policy, but this may be an excellent case for using it anyway (and as IAR is policy, if that is an agreed outcome that improved the encyclopaedia, the fact it is an essay does not mitigate against its use). However, before !voting to delete with no prejudice against immediate recreation, could we sense check the notability? What reliable, independent and secondary sources cover the college from which the new article would be written? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sirfurboy, here's some indepth ones on bits of its history, [14][15][16][17], as well as the main college source right now [18]. There are many news articles on various aspects of the college from the BBC at least, [19], and likely other news sites.[20] Likely some scattered/niche history around too, although the years passed have made it a bit harder to find.

A re-written article may also combine the contemporary campus it is today post-merger, possibly renamed Coleg Cambria, Deeside? But nonetheless to avoid the copyvio issues and over-reliance on one source, won't necessarily be as long or in-depth as the article is now. But surely enough?

Yes TNT is an essay, I also used one del reason, but recognise it isn't clear-cut. Dank Jae 01:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:TNT but allow recreation of an article without copyvio. However, that new article should probably be Coleg Cambria, Deeside, which would contain the history of Deeside College and its former names, Kelsterton College of technology and Flintshire Technology college. Usually when we cover a successor school or college, the article is named for the extant institution and contains the information of the previous institutions in its history. We would redirect the former names to the successor. If the editorial decision is to do it this way, then Deeside College should be recreated as a redirect to Coleg Cambria. But because of the copyvio, it should be deleted first.
Looking at the sources from DankJae, the first two cover Deeside college under that name. Newspaper coverage needs some caution regarding whether coverage is secondary and independent, but that article seems to meet SIGCOV, and is arguably secondary. Independence is unknown. The Coflein source would be good enough under WP:NBUILD for the building, but not under NORG for the organisation. However it is indicative. The book, Further education in Wales, is not independent. The other book, Clwyd: Denbighshire and Flintshire, is independent and secondary. It would not meet WP:CORPDEPTH if we were being very strict about this. But, on balance, we have a range of sources over a long period, some significant coverage, and a college that has existed under several names for many years and with a building that is recognised in a national database. I believe this is enough to demonstrate notability for a combined article. Thanks to DankJae for finding the sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG. AfD is not cleanup and it clearly deserves to have an article under this title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except if we keep it we have to revdel the whole thing. What exactly would we be keeping? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently 96.3% Copyvio? So what next? if kept. Dank Jae 19:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just reduce to a stub. Simple! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK but the answer is that we are not actually keeping anything. I don't see the benefit of keeping and revdelling to a stub over deletion with immediate re-creation under either this name of or as Coleg Cambria, Deeside. Except that if we do change the name to the current institution we would immediately have to start an RM for the empty stub. That would be a waste of time. So what we need to decide is whether the recreation has this name (its former name) or whether we should write about the successor institution, with its history of the former names (3 of them) contained in that article. If we do the latter, TNT is better for the encyclopaedia. If we choose the former name, I expect it is entirely within the gift of the closer as to which is chosen. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete but a speedy deletion for copyvio is also possible as the page is at least too close paraphrasing of this page. The Banner talk 18:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Şifa University

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I can see from the sources on the Turkish article that it existed. Are universities automatically notable? I guess not as it has been tagged as possibly not notable for years. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - not automatically notable, but any public university is likely to be notable. This one, however, appears to be new, small and private. See [21]. As such, I would have thought it should pass WP:NORG to be notable. I have added it to the companies delsort. At this stage I have no view on whether it is notable or not. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: I found some sources (which appear to be secondary) see 1, 2 and 3. The article needs some improvement in general, but I don't think it should be deleted. SirBrahms (talk) 09:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page is 12 years old and has had no active editing. Draftify looks like backdoor deletion in this case. But the sources you have found are interesting. The first is a primary source: a Ph.D. thesis. Despite being a primary source, it could contain secondary information about the university, and provide something to write an article from, so I would not rule it out just for being apparently primary. The second source is a listing. That is not SIGCOV, definitely not at CORPDEPTH, and independence is questionable. The third source is the most important though. That tells us that the university was seized and closed down in 2016 following a failed military coup (it was an asset of those involved). The source is primary in that it is a news report, but presents a bit of a quandary. It shows that, on the one hand, the university no longer exists and only existed for six years. Based on that, it is unlikely this ever reached notability. On the other hand, the very event that caused it to close would appear to make something notable. I am leaning towards merge to somewhere, if there is a suitable target regarding the coup. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments! It may be viable to merge it into Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt (especially considering it hasn't had any active editing in so long (a thing I regrettably forgot to check)). Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd move to merge if it made sense. How would that look though? There were 15 universities closed in the purge, and none are currently named. Should they be listed? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say yes. I'm imagining something like this:
University one, Place, Exact reason for closure (if applicable)

etc.

What do you think? Regards, SirBrahms (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we have the exact reason for each, sure. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Further to my above comment, according to this page Purges in Turkey following the 2016 Turkish coup attempt, this was one of 15 universities shut down in the purges following the coup. It seems undue to add this one to that page. Yet if it is not even notable for a mention there, it is not notable for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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