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November 14

I did not create this ... not intentionally, anyway

A strange situation has come up, and I was hoping somebody can explain what is going on. Background: I often run AWB against recently created articles to pick up typos etc. But I was just notified that back in June, I am listed as CREATING a article (Draft:Turkic conquest of Asia Minor (please salt original)). The page history shows the first edit is me using AWB to fix some typos, but this shows up as a page creation. I can see that Fram subsequently moved the original version to Draft and added the "please salt original" to the name. But why am I shown as creator? And can I then delete it? Gronk Oz (talk) 00:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I presume that Fram knows what happened. TSventon (talk) 01:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you started editing one of these but didn't save until after it had been moved? DuncanHill (talk) 01:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Yes, Fram moved a version of Turkic conquest of the Minor Asia to Draft:Turkic conquest of Minor Asia () without leaving a redirect.[1] Before this you had started an edit of the page (or at least AWB had loaded the page) but you saved it 14 minutes after the move.[2] At the time it became a page creation since the original page had been moved without leaving a redirect. I don't know what a browser edit would have done in this situation but AWB just created the page. The diff of your changes to the moved page is [3]. Fram then also moved your accidental page creation to draftspace. Pages can only be deleted by administrators. Do you want me to delete it? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: - Wow, that is a trap for young players (and not so young). Thanks for explaining what happened. Yes, I would be grateful if you would delete it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I have deleted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Jean Gabin

Apparently, this is Wikipedia's current article for improvement – and I can help edit it!

But that final exclamation mark in that header pissed me the fuck off. Gabin is one of my screen heroes. I would have done my very utmost to find new sources, and added them to at least the References, or even to the Bibliography with approved citations, templated or not according the article's existing reffing scheme - main non. Je me fous de tout point d'exclamation. C'est tout a fait inutile d'employer tel point, soit réportage cité d'un expression d'éclat, un sursaut personnel, un éruption d'esprit mal contenu. Mais ce n'est pas ce qu'on veut. A celui qui a osé d'écrire cet invitation: ta mère. Point maudit! MinorProphet (talk) 02:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

This this the Help Desk for English Wikipedia. Please use the appropriate language. 192.168.1.255 (talk) 02:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps Google Translate has missed some subtleties of your prose (my French has half a century of rust on it), but the cause of your annoyance evades me. This is a standard template text (not tailored for this particular article) reminding ordinary readers of the fact – doubtless surprising to many – that they too, not just some elite, can contribute to Wikipedia by improving articles. As such the exclamation mark is, in English prose, entirely appropriate. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.95.48 (talk) 02:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, Exclamation mark#English includes "may indicate astonishment or surprise". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

standard template text (not tailored for this particular article) let alone to the reader! Oops I did it again! Recursively! —The poster formerly known as —Tamfang (talk) 01:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

If a humble ⟨!⟩ can trigger such a conniption, MinorProphet, then co-editing this sprawling encyclopedia may not be a good fit for you. But I appreciate the way you sneaked one into your response. (Me, I think they're OK in small doses.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to apologise for my unseemly outburst. Thanks all for your measured responses. I'll just need to remind myself that I don't need that mild level of exhortation (it's like using All Caps), and it just doesn't apply to me. Cheers, and happy editing. MinorProphet (talk) 12:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Editing a page

Courtesy link: Lisa de Leeuw

I am trying to edit the Wikipedia page for Lisa de Leeuw. Everytime I publish it gets reverted. Her Fan-club would like a proper Wikipedia page. prior to my edits it was very short with some false information. It didn't celebrate her legacy at all. What should I do? Lisa de Leeuw Fan (talk) 04:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Lisa de Leeuw Fan. Wikipedia article content is expected to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. In addition, Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be celebrations of the subject's legacy; article content (positive or negative) is expected to be written an encyclopedic and neutral manner based upon what reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) have written or said about the subject. Wikipedia articles aren't the property of their subjects, and neither the subjects of articles nor their representatives have any special editorial control over article content. So, the fan club is free to do as it wants on its own websites or social media accounts, but it doesn't get a special say when it comes to Wikipedia.

Now, if you or anyone else feels there's incorrect information in the article, you're free to discuss that on the article's talk page and explain what needs to be changed and why. If you're able to establish a change/correction needs to be made because doing so is in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, the change/correction will almost certainly be made. On the other hand, if you just claim it needs to be made because it's what the fan club wants, the change/correction won't be made. Since you seem to have tried to make this change several times yourself and have been reverted each time, it's probably best if you stop doing that and instead follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution from here on. If you continue to try and force the change/correction through, there's a good chance it will be seen as Wikipedia:Edit warring regardless of how right you think you are, which could lead to an administrator stepping in and taking action against your account.

Finally, scanning a photo from a magazine you own doesn't make you the copyright holder of the photo. The copyright holder of a photo is, for the most part, the person who takes the photo, and only that person can release their own creative work under a copyright license that is OK for Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. If you've got a photo of de Leeuw that you took yourself, perhaps at some fan convention, then you can upload it for use on Wikipedia as long as it's 100% your own work and you're OK releasing it under a copyright license that Wikipedia accepts; you can, however, do this with someone else's work with providing some formal way for Wikipedia to verify their WP:CONSENT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Where could i begin with editing? Like do i start with small entries then slowly level my way to higher ones?

I haven't been able to really edit as much as I'd like to; but I would genuinely love to contribute to semi-protected wikis- DoritoSandwiches (talk) 06:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I infer that you haven't actually begun editing. So feel free to begin, with carefully-thought minor improvements. When you've acquired experience and skill, be more ambitious. -- Hoary (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You can offer edits to semi-protected articles by using the edit request wizard. (Note that the whole of English Wikipedia is one wiki - one of thousands on the Internet. I know that people unfamiliar with wikis sometimes use "a wiki" to mean "an entry in a wiki", but that can be confusing here). ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@DoritoSandwiches:I started (in 2006) when I saw minor grammar and spelling errors in articles I was reading for personal interest. Pick a few articles that interest you and read them. You are likely to see stuff that can be improved. Follow interesting-looking links and read those articles also, and do the same. If you are interested in some area of knowledge and you find an article that you think is weak or incomplete, you can try finding sources to use to improve the article and try your hand at adding sentences, then paragraphs, then sections, and finally entire articles. An area of interest can be just about anything, from plumbing to philosophy to hard rock (music or geology). Keep playing as long as it is fun, and take breaks if your enthusiasm decreases. Carefully use edit summaries for every edit, and engage on article talk pages if there is any reason to do so. And thanks! We appreciate your help! -Arch dude (talk) 17:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you very much for the advice! DoritoSandwiches (talk) 06:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Stacking infoboxes using Visual Editor

I am writing a new article using Visual Editor and need to stack two infoboxes. I see how to add the Stack template but not how to bracket the two infoboxes inside it. Can you please help?

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?action=edit&create=Create+new+article+draft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&summary=--+Draft+creation+using+the+%5B%5BWP%3AArticle+wizard%5D%5D+--&title=Draft%3AIn+a+Whole+New+Way Speedypick (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Speedypick: You haven't saved anything in Draft:In a Whole New Way. If you save your draft on the confusingly named "Publish page" button then we can fix it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Just saved it. 2603:7081:3700:62:4447:8DD:371F:94AF (talk) 14:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually it failed to save. I may have to restart the page from scratch. 2603:7081:3700:62:4447:8DD:371F:94AF (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I just restarted the page and clicked Publish. If you can fix the poorly stacked Infoboxes now, that would be great. 2603:7081:3700:62:EDF3:F8FE:F6A9:FBBC (talk) 15:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't help with the infoboxes, but just a tip: if something happens like this and you lose your edit, often if you go back in your browser history you will be able to reload the editor with your edit in it. If you then preview it, you should be able to continue working on it and eventually publish it. I'm not sure if this works with the visual editor though. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Speedypick: {{Stack}} is for other issues and wasn't required here so I removed it and moved the infobox code to the top in the source editor where you can see the location of the code.[4] It's harder to control in VisualEditor. You can switch between the editors on a pencil icon at the top right. See Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! 2603:7081:3700:62:E9D8:8A52:519B:CBD2 (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! Speedypick (talk) 20:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Another question

How would you know if an article is considered a stub User332224 (talk) 18:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@User332224 Stub articles are remarkably short, bare bones articles, truly skeletal. They are or ought to be written tightly and referenced sufficiently to both assert and verify notability. They almost beg to be expanded.

However, some very short articles are complete in all respects, and are not stubs.

You knew that would not be simple, didn't you? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

User332224, another thing to be aware of is that many articles originally classified as stubs are gradually improved as time goes by and are no longer stubs, even though the tag remains. I routinely go to the talk pages of such articles and change "stub" to "start". Cullen328 (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Lost friend

Is there a SHip builder from Idaho named Randy Smorhh 31.118.187.198 (talk) 19:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Google is your friend. In the interests of balance, other search engines exist. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Updating the main image of a Wikipedia Article

Hello,

I didn't manage to find any actual help in the Search Box or in https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia.

I would like to add this up-to-date picture

for the article about a jazz musician https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Dhafer_Youssef

I would love to know how I can proceed to do that.

All the best, JB JibéWiki (talk) 19:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You just need to swap “Dhafer Youssef (223157).jpg” with “Dhafer Youssef, Tunisia, 2023.jpg” in the Image field of the infobox. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@JibéWiki: Click the "Edit" tab on the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@JibéWiki It would be unusual to caption the infobox image to include the photographer's name, unless perhaps s/he was notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. The photo's attribution is available on Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

How to add a page

How to add a page Foothill Farms (talk) 19:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to creating an article? You can start creating an article by clicking on a redlink, or by typing the title of the article you wish to create into the input field at WP:HTCAP. Make sure that the article you wish to write can pass WP:GNG or any other relevant notability guidelines. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Foothill Farms. While Tutwakhamoe's answer is technically correct, I would very very strongly advise that, unless you are experienced in creating Wikipedia articles, you use the articles for creation process to create a draft and submit it for review. See your first article. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Foothill Farms: Any article on Wikipedia must be about a notable subject, using our definition of notable, not yours. Therefore, before you waste time on leaning the mechanics of creating an article, please spend some time verifying that the subject is notable. Start at WP:N. -Arch dude (talk) 05:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I really, really deeply hope that you were not planning to create a "page" which would be an advertisement for the food company "Foothill Farms". Because that is never what we do here. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Creation of -arguably- big topic

The current Israel-Hamas war has spillovers is many countries in the region obviously. In Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present), every theatre is Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)#Events by country has a main, more in-depth article except Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)#Syria. I want to create an article detailing the spillover from strikes, statements, and especially the Recent ground operations, Israeli military constructions within Syrian territory (whcih also included resulted in some notable incidents. at the same time, I want it to be coordinated, and sure to be justified and in-form of the general Wikipedia mode of publication/operation. Do I create a Draft and submit it somewhere? Or do I just create it and publish it after it is in enough depth? Or is there a specific place to discuss such matters? please guide me as I want to be in line and to avoid wrongdoings. RamiPat (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Drafts are usually for new editors or articles that are in such a bad shape that they don't qualify for mainspace. Personally I think you should create the article directly and fix any issues later. You can also enlist help for your article at the talk page of any relevant wikiproject, in this case Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)