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November 13

Middleton family

Refs number 142 and 143 are the same - please combine and leave in the quote - I failed when trying to do this. thank you in advance. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Done, Please check if that was what you intended @115.70.23.77. CF-501 Falcon (talk) 01:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

CF-501 Falcon, Help:Notifications tells us "Notifications are displayed to the right of the username and user talk links in the top link bar of the page for logged-in users" (my emphasis). Not for users not logged in. For this questioner, you may wish to ping User:Srbernadette. -- Hoary (talk) 06:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Got it, will keep in mind for next time. CF-501 Falcon (talk) 12:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Map overlay

I need some help with the map overlay. On my sandbox, I've been working with the {{Location map many}} template and trying to overlay File:Blank map of Europe 1914.svg on top for contemporary borders. I can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be well appreciated; thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Not able to create global user for wikimedia

I was trying to create global user name but failed many a times. Kindly help me please. Kheng Singye Dorji (KSD) (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean global user account Kheng Singye Dorji (KSD) (talk) 06:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kheng Singye Dorji (KSD), what is the problem, you seem to be using Wikipedia:Unified login on several projects. You also seem to have created a Wikipedia:Global user page at Meta, you can't see it at en Wikipedia as you have created a local page. TSventon (talk) 06:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Do I need a citation for information about a species that is visibly obvious in images of it?

I am working on an article about the damselfly Matrona basilaris and am running into an odd issue: all the sources I can find discussing the species only mention what I assume is the coloration of the females and juvenile males: dark brown. However, it is plainly obvious from images of the species that many of them are instead metallic green-blue. I assume that these vibrantly-colored ones are the males, as this is the case in other species of Matrona damselflies. Again, I cannot find a reputable source that describes this green-blue coloration, but it is obvious from images of the species. Does that mean I can only describe them as dark brown? Or am I allowed to describe them as also being green-blue without a citation, since it is obvious from looking at them? I feel it would be rather odd to have an article describing the species solely as dark brown while images on the very same page show blue-green individuals. Nephila121 (talk) 12:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like editor synthesis of image sources to me. Best to stick with what the sources say, even if it seems obvious. Also, it might be a good idea to check and make sure you're using images of the correct species - I've been guilty of jumping to conclusions in this manner before. Departure– (talk) 14:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Nephila121, Here's a source that refers to "Matrona basilaris, a beautiful calopterygid damselfly with a metallic-colored body and gorgeous wings," and another (from the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism in Japan) that says "The body of the male ranges in color from a metallic bluish green to a yellowish green, and the wings are glossy black with a purple tinge." I'm guessing that those are both WP:RS. Here's a bibliography that might turn up some other sources. FactOrOpinion (talk) 22:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Short translation is disallowed by AbuseFilter for no apparent reason (I'm a new user)

I'm trying to translate the page Quo warranto into Turkish. I translated the first paragraph almost word by word but AbuseFilter is giving me the error abusefilter-disallowed-contenttranslation without any specification. There seems to me to be no formatting issues with my translation. I'm pasting the translation below. Is this only because I'm a new user? I signed up today.

"Anglo-Sakson ortak hukuk (İngilizce: common law) sisteminde, quo warranto (Orta Çağ Latincesinde "hangi yetkiyle?" anlamına gelir), bir mahkeme tarafından edilen ve kişinin iddia ettiği hak, güç veya imtiyazı kullanmak için hangi yetkiye sahip olduğunu göstermesini talep eden resmi bir emirdir. Quo warranto emri İngiltere ve Galler'de yürürlükten kaldırılmıştır. Yaygın kullanılmamakla birlikte Amerika Birleşik Devletleri'nde hâlâ geçerlidir. Quo warranto emri Filipinler'de de biraz farklı bir biçimiyle kullanılır." Takosis (talk) 13:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are translating using Content Translation Tool, it can only be used by accounts that are extended confirmed. You can just directly create a new article on the Turkish Wikipedia and link that to Quo Warranto through Wikidata when you're done. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Takosis: Rules vary between Wikipedia languages. The Turkish Wikipedia does not have the extended confirmed user group of the English Wikipedia but they require you to be member of the Turkish user group translator (Çevirmenler). See tr:Vikipedi:Çevirmenler. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisting: How many readers, and percentage figures (thanks)

I'm not sure how to read the numbers, and have read varying tallies and estimates, so would like to know an accurate count/percentage to quote when needed:

1) How many individual readers view English Wikipedia daily? (average or approximate) Does a count correctly reflect each individual reader or does it add '1' each time a different page is clicked (even if by the same reader)?

2) What percentage of these readers view English Wikipedia on mobile and how many on desktop/laptop?

Thanks ahead of time. As a p.s., the 'Help' button at the top of my watchpage goes to MediaWiki and not to a relevant Wikipedia in-house page, which seems counter-productive (maybe a Wikipedia page can provide this information?). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

[1] may be of help, I think there's a filter for mobile and the like. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Lee Vilenski, but I'm lost in exactly how to dig out the answers to my two questions in that link. Can someone better at maths and coding than myself have a look and find the answers (for unique devices, etc.) Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

One answer seems to be at stats:#/wiki.riteme.site/reading/unique-devices. The most recent data I was able to find on stats: about mobile views is from 2016, so not even relevant enough to link here.

I've seen numbers ranging from around 40% to 60% for mobile pageviews, and I'm not figuring out how to find any supporting research. WhatamIdoing might know where to find it. Folly Mox (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

See Template:Navbox visibility and its instructions for the mobile pageviews.

Page views are counted every time the page is loaded. If you hit the Reload button 10 times, then the page views count will increment 10 times. (They do try to exclude automated bots/spiders/web crawlers from these numbers, but they can't detect everything.)

One detail that I find fascinating is that mobile users are less likely than desktop users to click on links. Going Down the rabbit hole is usually an activity for desktop users. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Folly Mox and WhatamIdoing. I've been quoted 80% mobile in a discussion, which seemed low and prompted this question in order to have a definitive number. The number of English Wikipedia views a day from unique devices must be available somewhere which then, when figured with the percentage of mobile etc., would give the approximate number of how many millions of readers view the site on laptop/desktop per day (which I'm seeking to have handy when other editors discuss jettisoning active features). Thanks again, and the search goes on... Randy Kryn (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing answered your question exactly though? Following her link, I got to unique mobile devices over the past 30 days (around 50 million per day); cf. unique desktop devices over the same period (around 20 million per day).

You can play with the sample period and other parameters just by clickingtapping dropdowns; no technical aptitude required. The 30-day statistic is very close to the 90-day statistic.

So to answer your questions very directly with current data, 1. about 70 million unique devices access English Wikipedia each day 2. of which about 5⁄7 (≈ seventy per cent) are mobile devices. Folly Mox (talk) 13:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Folly Mox, that's exactly what I was looking for, and in round numbers too. Much appreciated. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Saving an article via Desktop view

When using the app (on Android), I enjoy the "Save" button feature, as I can add interesting articles to a collection or "list." However, when I'm browsing on Desktop (Chrome), I see no "Save" or "Add to List" feature. Am I missing this somewhere? If it does not exist, where do I suggest it via feedback?

-Thanks Vanquish5111 (talk) 14:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Vanquish5111 The "publish changes" button should be understood to mean "save"; it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It used to say "save", but was changed to emphasize that all edits are "published" to public view. I'm kinda surprised to hear the app doesn't do that. 331dot (talk) 14:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

It sounds to me like Vanquish is talking about adding articles to a watchlist, or maybe a set of favourites, rather than actually trying to publish changes. Does anyone use the Android App, maybe they could comment on this? Girth Summit _(blether) 15:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

This is the "Reading list" feature available in both apps per :mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ § Reading lists and offline reading and :mw:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ § Saved Pages and Reading lists. It's not available for web browsers.

Vanquish5111, feature requests are accepted at m:Community Wishlist. Folly Mox (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Vanquish5111: As far as I'm aware, that feature's only available on the mobile apps. You can save articles to your watchlist in both, if I recall correctly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I need help please

I want to add new languages to a page in Wikipedia but I don't know how to do it. Can someone help me? User332224 (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Could you be more specific as to what you want to do, and what article or articles you are referencing? 331dot (talk) 15:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean to translate Eye pinning into Spanish. User332224 (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

See WP:TRANSLATE for guidance on how to translate an article(specifically "translation to other languages")- though you will need to go to the Spanish Wikipedia to see if they have more specific policies or procedures. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@User332224 More details at WP:TrU for translating from English to other languages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Unless you're a robot, thanks for help :) User332224 (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@User332224 Even robots deserve thanks if they help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Or at least: some bots do seem to respond to positive or negative reinforcement. —Tamfang (talk) 01:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Sporadic LUA Error at line xxx in refs

Did they break something in the weekly back-end work? It's happened across several articles when I could find no discernable coding errors in refs. In one example, I noticed it in one rev and not in another rev, so I restored the older rev, then reveted back to the rev that had the issue, but the error wasn't present after reverting back to what it was in the first place, so I think it's something on the back-end. Graywalls (talk) 17:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Graywalls: Pages are cached for performance reasons. It sounds like there was an issue at the time of the caching but not when you made the edits. You can make a purge to update the cached version without editing the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

So, does pending changes disable edit conflicts or something? Folly Mox (talk) 20:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I think this was first brought up last month at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 96 § Errors at line 2083 and § Lua error. Purging the page cache seems to have resolved the error for the people who discussed it there. Folly Mox (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I haven't had this happen until today. Graywalls (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Getting a page unflagged

Getting a page unflagged Catya Plate's page has been flagged for "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject." I am her personal assistant and trying to work on getting this unflagged. She had hired someone years ago to write it, I've reread it with the guidelines and don't see a reason for why it is flagged. Please advise us on how to go about this. Thank you very much. And the page is this: Catya Plate Radhika48825 (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Radhika48825 As her personal assistant you have and need to declare a WP:COI if you intend to make any edits to the article.

With regard to the existing flag, editors here will use mature judgement about that. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are paid to be her assistant, you are a paid editor and the Terms of Use require disclosure, see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 19:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

This is being discussed at Talk:Catya Plate#Efforts to unflag the page. I have changed the flag from COI to UPE. Ah the law of unintended consequences, not to mention a mini Streisand effect. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Including tags while excluding others

Is it possible to search for certain tags while excluding others in recent changes/watchlist filters? (e.g. #possible vandalism and not#Reverted). If not, are there other tools I could use to achieve something similar? LaffyTaffer (talk) 19:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Why is there a corruption index for the entire on Corruption in India even though the article is only for India.

There is an image at the front of the article showing the global corruption index, should it be something like districts in India or something else? ミラへぜ (talk) 21:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Probably because nobody's prepared such an index or map. If you have reliable sources for the data, you can create the image. ColinFine (talk) 23:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Tool for generating ASCII URL does not work

I was editing Draft:Seven Months' War, which included a reference with the url https://ставрополь.рф/city/pasport_goroda/history.php, which generated a Check |url= value error, so I clicked the hidden error category and got to Category:CS1 errors: URL, which says that URLs with non-Latin characters must be converted. I clicked the "IDN Conversion Tool" link, which goes to Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) Conversion Tool and entered the URL and pressed the green Convert button. The result was blank for ASCII and the same URL back again for UNICODE. Why did this tool not work, and is there another tool that does work? Anyway, I fixed the problem another way. I moused over the URL, right clicked, and in the popup, clicked on "Copy URL", and that copied the ASCII URL https://xn--80ae1alafffj1i.xn--p1ai/city/pasport_goroda/history.php. If the "IDN Conversion Tool" page doesn't work, perhaps instructions on Category:CS1 errors: URL should be modified to say to do what I did. —Anomalocaris (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Anomalocaris: It's a tool for domains, not url's. The domain part of https://ставрополь.рф/city/pasport_goroda/history.php is ставрополь.рф which is converted to xn--80ae1alafffj1i.xn--p1ai by the tool, giving the same end result as your method. Many editors may use browsers which don't allow that method. I have added "Only enter the domain in the tool and not the full url" to the link.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter: Thank you for editing Help:CS1 errors#Check |url= value. This does work. For people who don't think about domains separately from URLs, this is a bit subtle. You have to snip out and convert the non-ASCII domain and then concatenate three parts: http:// or its variant, the ASCII-ized domain, and the trailing portion of the URL. Anyway, your instructions are an improvement. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)