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You and I have both pruned POV material. I am struggling to see that one time successful businessman Salkow passes WP:BIO. After almost all the paean of familial praise has been excised there seems not to be sufficient left. I'm not lobbying for an AfD, I am simply asking your opinion on my though processes. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it's a bit thin isn't it? Perhaps a re-direct to Ellies Holdings would be suitable? Theroadislong (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tempting. I am certain it was written as a memorial, and inadvisedly. Redirecting loses nothing in that it can be recovered easily from history. The holdings article is badly short of citations. I suspect the Ellies name may be notable. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I accepted the draft in order to expose it to the community and the editing of others. Perhaps it needs to 'mature' for a week or two? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yep no rush. Theroadislong (talk) 21:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I accepted the draft in order to expose it to the community and the editing of others. Perhaps it needs to 'mature' for a week or two? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tempting. I am certain it was written as a memorial, and inadvisedly. Redirecting loses nothing in that it can be recovered easily from history. The holdings article is badly short of citations. I suspect the Ellies name may be notable. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Do you think Waymarking.com is a reliable source
It's literally hat it says, a site for waymarking. The link does copy the church noticeboard, but that's no an RS either. Doug Weller talk 16:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- No I don't think it's a reliable source I was just formatting it to be a reference rather than an external link. I'll look for something better, though my polish is non existent. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. This isn't easy. Doug Weller talk 16:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Egov.Press
Good afternoon. I ask you to consider restoring the article about the petition site Egov.Press, since authoritative sources have appeared that prove the importance of the resource.
https://time.kz/news/society/2024/05/27/problemy-s-dostupom-na-populyarnyj-sajt-petitsij-alash-online-nachalis-v-kazahstane 176.64.31.9 (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- It was deleted after an WP:AFC discussion, I'm not an admin so cannot restore it. Theroadislong (talk) 19:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Where can I contact the administrators? 176.64.31.9 (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Women in Red August 2024
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SD nomination for Big Apple Records
I'd be interested to know:
- What is WP:ADS about Big Apple Records
- Why you think @FlyingFish747 is a sock
KitDaCatsun (talk) 15:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have no opinion on the speedy deletion tag, User:FlyingFish747 looks like a sock because they have made only one edit on an obscure article which has been tagged for speedy deletion. You would be better off creating articles with the WP:AFC process if you don't want them deleted. Theroadislong (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Theroadislong, Can you check this draft Draft:Sai Rajesh BubbleWombleBee12 (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reviews are not done to order, please be patient. Theroadislong (talk) 13:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Genealogy Bank
Hi , the references in the Grisley article to GenealogyBank say they are links to newspapers so are you sure they are unreliable? regards, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh right, I don't have an account there so can't see, feel free to revert me. Theroadislong (talk) 20:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, and i'll ask the editor for references that name the details of the newspapers, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 20:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Concern regarding User:Dimitris Anagnostou/sandbox
Hello, Theroadislong. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that User:Dimitris Anagnostou/sandbox, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.
If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.
Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 09:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
You also offered the creating editor advice. I have just pushed the draft back for further work. I felt the draft might still be of interest to you, and that you may be able to expand or, or disagree with, my advice to the editor. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
I appreciate your comment
They have been condescending towards you earlier, I'm afraid. The discussion will go how it goes. I will not seek to influence it further than my two comments. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't take long to resolve! Theroadislong (talk) 21:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think it always was going to go that way in view of their continual doubling down. I have left a charitable comment at the end. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi! You left the comment on my article. I did as you asked. Would you mind reviewing it and telling me if it is fine? Many editors at the teahouse told me they were not sure. But I also made a lot of changes with the help of editor @Shenaall , if you did not see. None of it was added before. J2009j (talk) 21:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @J2009j you have left messages requesting reviews from several editors such as Paper9oll, Bsoyka and Timtrent among other editors and the Teahouse. It's time to stop forum shopping. Your draft is no more important the almost 3k pending review. S0091 (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I asked them, and it was not until the editor @Shenaall, who did a big review and helped me improve the article, so it looks appropriate, because I do not have much experience with articles. With their help I tried to make an entire discography section. I am very thankful. Feel free to read User talk:Shenaall I made literally 2 or so articles about topics I know and I remember you going attacking me dozen times on my page with same thing like - paid paid. I think it is disrespectful towards new users making contributions, that do not know all the details about articles on Wikipedia. Honestly, your tone always seems like you owe Wikipedia, which is not true. It's a public open source. J2009j (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- You need to explain always and provide WP:diffs of me attacking you dozens of times just like I provided diffs of you requesting reviews from several reviewers (proof). Otherwise, your comments are a personal attack. Unless you have other accounts which you have not disclosed, the only direct interaction we have had is here and the paid notice I just left on your talk page. I will also note I am not the editor who nominated Christopher McDonald (booking agent), an article you created, for deletion so maybe you are confusing me with someone else. S0091 (talk) 22:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I asked them, and it was not until the editor @Shenaall, who did a big review and helped me improve the article, so it looks appropriate, because I do not have much experience with articles. With their help I tried to make an entire discography section. I am very thankful. Feel free to read User talk:Shenaall I made literally 2 or so articles about topics I know and I remember you going attacking me dozen times on my page with same thing like - paid paid. I think it is disrespectful towards new users making contributions, that do not know all the details about articles on Wikipedia. Honestly, your tone always seems like you owe Wikipedia, which is not true. It's a public open source. J2009j (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:The Desert Song (Max Liebman Presents)
As you have requested, I have submitted my draft for review. I based my information on the DVD, which I own. Apart from the DVD, I do not have any sources for it. Could you please let me know where and how I am supposed to find some reliable sources for it - thank you. Or would it be possible for another Wikipedia editor to add these - if possible.
In the article, I have given links to IMDB and also to an interview with Earl William (who played Hassi in the operetta), about his memories of the production, as well as a link to VAI Music - Video Artists International which manufactured the DVD of the operetta (these were the only information sources that I have been able to find (I did try very hard to find more, but was unsuccessful in this).
I consider "The Desert Song" operetta, with Nelson Eddy and Gale Sherwood, to be very important. It has the only footage of Nelson Eddy in a live full musical - and was also one of a number of the "Max Liebman Presents" operettas, presented on live television in the United States. Also, the "Max Liebman Presents" operetta, although it was adapted for live television, it also far closer to the original operetta than the film versions are.
There is already an article on Wikipedia about the 1953 film of "The Desert Song" (which I also own on DVD), but no article about the Max Liebman Presents operetta as yet, which is the reason why I created the article about the operetta for Wikipedia.
I am an Australian, so do not have the same facilities to check for reliable sources and information for the operetta or DVD that an American might have (after all, it is an American production). Hopefully some other people might have the information needed, in order for the article to be submitted to Wikipedia, that I do not have, and that those people will be kind enough to add the information to the article for me.
I have been editing Wikipedia, and creating masses of articles, for a number of years now, without any problem until now. I joined Wikipedia back in 2005, so I am an experienced editor. The review process was introduced sometime following my last article, so this is the first time that I have come across it - this is the reason why I require help this time (and have asked for it). I am just finding things very difficult because of this review requirement. The earlier process, with creating articles for Wikipedia, was that the original author would create the article with what they knew about the subject - with subsequent authors adding extra information which the original author did not have, or know about, as edits (in other words, creating articles for Wikipedia was far more simple in those days).
As I mentioned previously, I would be grateful for any help with my article, if possible. Thank you. Figaro (talk) Figaro (talk) 12:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- As previously advised articles are based on what independent, reliable sources have reported, you have none. IMDb, interviews and Pinterest cannot be used they are not reliable sources. If there are no sources available then we can't have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 12:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Chaparral High School (Texas)
Hello, you commented on my draft for Chaparral High School, saying that there isn't anything suggesting that the school is notable. Can you please elaborate on what would be considered notable for it (like alumni) ? 0ctopusKn1ght (talk) 23:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:NSCHOOL for more details. Theroadislong (talk) 06:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see. Thank you very much for your help! 0ctopusKn1ght (talk) 13:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Steve wallis
There was no inappropriate content in the edit. secondly I was fixing the citation error when it gave me an error due to you you reverting it CCPopyo (talk) 19:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- The content you added was "With her support, Steve became a successful Youtuber and documentary director. Jessica Audrey Wallis passed in her sleep on August 20th, 2022." sourced to YouTube, that was not appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theroadislong (talk • contribs) 20:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
About my article
I have just discovered that, being an autopatrolled member of Wikipedia, I have the right to put my articles onto the mainspace without having to submit them to other reviewers for comments - that I am able to review my own article for its inclusion on Wikipedia. Figaro (talk) Figaro (talk) 09:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw that you declined the draft article (The Desert Song (Max Liebman Presents)), with the creator not listening to your advice. I have removed that user's autopatrolled flag (which, as you may know, has nothing to do with the ability to move pages, but that's another issue). Schwede66 10:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
I was under the impression that I was an autopatrolled member of Wikipedia, so followed what was in the autopatraolled 'manual'.
Unlike the editor Schwede66 has accused me of, I would like to comment that I actually *have* listened to what everyone has said and tried to do whatever was asked of me - but I was not able to proceed any further because I only had the DVD of the operetta to go by - combined with what I was able to discover on the internet (i.e. I was not able to find the references etc. required, although I have continually tried to do so). I have also repeatedly asked for help with my article (including at the Wikipedia help desk), but nobody has been kind enough to help me by setting an example of *how* I was supposed to improve the article, by editing the article to bring it up to the standard acceptable for inclusion on Wikipedia (I presume that I was supposed to automatically *know* where to find what is needed for the article (as I have always said, I don't know, although I have repeatedly tried to do so). If help had actually been given to me, to improve the article by the editing of it, instead of just giving me instructions, it would have meant a great deal to me - not just continually being instructed to find reliable sources and references etc. for it, which I have been *able* to do.
I would like to mention that, if another editor had submitted an article for the live television broadcast of the operetta, then I would not have submitted an article to help fill what I considered a void of information on Wikipedia with my own article (which I have found out present editors consider a poor effort on my part). I felt that the operetta was important to be added to Wikipedia (it is considered an enclopedia, after all) i.e. for Wikipedia to have a full complement of information about the various productions of the operetta (film and television) of the operetta. However, it would seem that quality of an article is more important than having any article on Wikipedia to access the information.
I would also like to mention that I would never have moved the article from it 'draft' position if I had not been under the impression as an autopatrolled member of Wikipedia, and following what was written in the autopatrolled 'manual' of what is allowed to autopatrolled members - i.e. that they are able to put articles onto the Wikipedia without having to go to any reviewers (evidently it was my error to check out this rule). It would appear that the editor Schwede66 thought that I should be punished as a result of what I did. I also did not know that it was mandatory for an autopatrolled member to continually making edits to retain the position of being unpatrolled - evidently there is a new lesson to be learned every day - including the fact that being unpatrolled could be taken away after it has once been given to an editor. Figaro (talk)
Additional Advice for Mordechai Inbari Article
Hi,
Could you provide me any more advice you recommend that I can implement to improve the Mordechai Inbari draft that was rejected?
Thanks Sinbari (talk) 14:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was declined not rejected, you have used primary sources but Wikipedia requires independent sources NOT their own works. Theroadislong (talk) 14:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment on Jesse Green article
Hi there,
I legitimately don't understand what you mean by your comment on my drafter article on the theater critic Jesse Green. You say that " I can't find a single independent source here? Wikipedia articles are based on what reliable, independent sources say." There are multiple such reliable independent sources, including The Los Angeles Times, Playbill magazine, New York magazine, 3Views review journal, and the NY Observer.
Whether it's enough or not, there are certainly far more than one single reliable source. I'm not sure if you were tasked with reviewing the AfC or if you were commenting on the article for any other reason. Dizzycheekchewer (talk) 17:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- It would help reviewers then if you removed all the links to his own writing (they are not helpful) so we could see the wood for the trees. Theroadislong (talk) 18:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would hope and expect a reviewer to see past citations backing up a specific claim (that the writer had 10 articles with a certain appellation on them) and not get distracted or lost. Of the first 20 citations, 15 are absolutely bona fide, with the others representing citations for specific quotations or statements of fact. If you're getting lost with these bearings provided, something may have gone awry. Certainly a reviewer could see, if they looked, that one or more of those 15 citations was there and legitimate?
- Either way, I'm at the point where I will simply remove the offensive, but completely valid citations. I still don't know why you saw the page, and commented what you did without reviewing the article either way. Dizzycheekchewer (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article and left a comment, you acted on the comment and I accepted the article, I don't see what the problem is? Theroadislong (talk) 07:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Request on 09:03:11, 9 August 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by AJT80
Thanks for the quick feedback. I understand the references are somewhat sparse - my other concern was that the article is rather brief (although I think it does cover the subject). If there were suitable references, do you think the brevity would also be an issue?
AJT80 (talk) 09:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Brevity is an indication of the lack of notability, they would need to pass the criteria at WP:NARTIST to qualify for an article and it's not clear how they do? Theroadislong (talk) 09:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought this was the help desk....oops! 331dot (talk) 09:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you had the appropriate references, the draft would likely be of sufficient length. As Theroadislong notes, it's not clear how they meet notability guidelines, either specifically as an artist or the broader notable person definition. You wrote that they intend to raise awareness- perhaps once that awareness has been raised and independent reliable sources write about their work and its significance, there will be sufficient sources to support an article, but I think that it is WP:TOOSOON. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
We already have an article on this topic here Freedman?
Thank you for pointing this out. The existing ‘Freedman’ article primarily covers the historical concept of freed individuals, with a focus on ancient Rome. My content focuses specifically on American Freedmen, including their post-emancipation experiences, legal issues, and modern advocacy efforts. I will review the existing article to determine if there is an opportunity to integrate or expand the topic to include this specific context. If necessary, I will propose a new section or article to address these unique aspects. I appreciate your guidance and feedback. Arthurwatkins2904 (talk) 22:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Updated References for Review
Thank you for your comments. I have updated the references in accordance with the formatting guidelines you mentioned. Could you please review the changes and let me know if they meet the requirements? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. Arthurwatkins2904 (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft: MultiFAZE mechanism
Thanks for the encouragement, but 1 or 2 other editors seem to be trying to lure me into pitfalls, probably hoping that I will give up. (See also Helpdesk discussion).
My idea of "tidying up" the draft is to streamline it and make it better to read. What would be your idea of "tidying up"? Bryllig (talk) 11:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My idea would be to find independent sources that support the content, I can't find any of yours that even mention the MultiFAZE mechanism? Theroadislong (talk) 11:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Koshy's
Thank you for reviewing Draft:Koshy's and your feedback. I have improved it and added several independent and credible sources/references. Can you please check. Trvllr1 (talk) 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Response to your comment on Draft: Hilary DeCesare
Respected editor, thank you so much for the feedback. Could you please help me improving this article to reach the main space? I just need some assistance to highlight which of the references I have used are unreliable sources. I shall be extremely grateful to you. Also, let me know isn't the subject, i.e. Hilary DeCesare a notable person worthy having a Wikipedia entry? Sehar Awais (talk) 19:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sehar Awais The subject fails the criteria at WP:GNG, I will not be assisting you further as you are a paid editor, paid editors are assumed to be proficient. Theroadislong (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- ok thankyou. I knew I will be punished for being honest. Anyways. Take Care Sehar Awais (talk) 09:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are not being punished? You have set yourself up as a paid editor, you are expected to have researched how to edit accordingly. Theroadislong (talk) 09:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alright dear. Sehar Awais (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Sehar Awais, it's pretty oblivious for a paid editor like you to ask a volunteer editor for assistance in improving your article. Please improve it yourself; you're being paid for your time, Theroadislong is not. Bishonen | tålk 11:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC).
- ok Sehar Awais (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did not ask for your advice or feedback by the way. Theroadislong has already rejected my submission which was the only article I was not even directly paid for. Being judgmental and rude on this platform is equally against the guidelines which even a newcomer on Wikipedia like I am is well aware of.
- Thank you. Sehar Awais (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- And yet you say on your user page "Currently, I am working on Hilary DeCesare's article for which I am directly compensated". Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, because there is no point in narrating the entire story there. If there were any mean intentions in my head, I wouldn't have disclosed anything here, that too, publicly.
- Thanks,
- Good Bye Sehar Awais (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sehar Awais Sorry I don't understand your comments, but please note the draft was declined not rejected. Theroadislong (talk) 14:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- And yet you say on your user page "Currently, I am working on Hilary DeCesare's article for which I am directly compensated". Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are not being punished? You have set yourself up as a paid editor, you are expected to have researched how to edit accordingly. Theroadislong (talk) 09:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- ok thankyou. I knew I will be punished for being honest. Anyways. Take Care Sehar Awais (talk) 09:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft: Not Perfect Network
Thank you for reviewing Draft: Not Perfect Network. I'm not experienced in writing Wiki articles and would like to ask for your kind advice. You mentioned that you declined it because it reads as an advertisement to you. I've tried to include as many references as I could find and I've referenced most of the text. I could not find references for some of the text though. I'm guessing this is where the problem is. Would simply removing the text without references solve the problem? Paulius Senuta (talk) 08:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not really no. Your draft tells us everything that the company wants us to know about them (advertising) whereas Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You also need to disclose your conflict of interest with your next edit. Theroadislong (talk) 08:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) This ultra-concise overview of WP:COI is so good I might just borrow it (with attribution). StonyBrook babble 10:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ha haa StonyBrook Go ahead, no attribution required, I probably stole it. Theroadislong (talk) 06:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Theroadislong. What do you think about this draft? It looks good, in my opinion, and I'm thinking about accepting, but wanna hear from you as the previous reviewer. Frost 05:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Frost Yep go for it, it seems to have more than a 50% chance of surviving AFD. Theroadislong (talk) 06:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. Frost 07:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Request for making the article Manu Munsi to be cleaned up to make it from neutral point of view
Hi, I have seen you to edit some portions of the article with so many helpful contributions and I appreciate you for the same. I would like to request you to help this article get improved so that the undisclosd payment tag can be removed. It is my earnest request. Thanks. 203.76.183.82 (talk) 06:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Vihar Exports
The owner and founder Vihar Gadhesariya of Vihar Exports have recognized the problem faced by Farmers and by introducing a small change he succeeded in creating a big difference in the world. A young man in his early 20’s. who belongs to a farmer family and he saw the hard work his family do to cultivate excellent quality products but slowly he realizes that people’s efforts are worthless and it was unacceptable for him. he saw that people who work hard throughout the year at the end they have to be satisfied with a very small price. Vihar Exports Manufacturers & Exporter of Indian spices, seeds, pulses, a variety of Mangoes and fresh farm products, etc. working in the field since 2012 with one aim to serve people with the most authentic pure products and a small contribution for the Farmer.
Vihar exports work for the people and by the people. Presently more than 5000 farmers are working for Vihar Exports. Vihar Exports serves farmers for their good quality products by purchasing directly from farmers which helps farmers a lot they get good value for their products. Farmers are the soul of a country. but unfortunately, they have to face the most miserable behaviour in the world. they work hard without limiting themself to time or season but the price they get for their Productivity is negligible. whether farmer creates good quality or excellent but they won’t get an exact price for their good. It is difficult to obtain excellent quality agricultural products in India with such versatile weather but the farmer is the creator of favourable conditions, the best suitable environment for their crops. even though it doesn’t matter how excellent the crop is, this is all because of middlemen who are like leeches they suck away all the profits of farmers. Vihar exports are trying to help the Farmer’s community, trying to focus on their problems more. also with a small step, they are trying to make a big change for them by purchasing directly from farm policy. The world is changing, and times have changed. we are more dependent on fast food, and canned food and in such a running life we have to run along with them otherwise we will be left behind. in such a way life forced us to be dependent on street food more. which is the progeny of all diseases. here’s come Vihar exports a step towards purity and healthy. Vihar Exports spices are grown in pesticide-free fields in an organic way then best selected, handpicked, naturally sun-dried, and crushed to ensure all its essential oils are kept within it. in the same manner, the best quality seeds and unpolished pulses are chosen, this is all made possible because of our credible Farmers who work really hard whether it is day and night, winter or summer. they work nonstop unconditionally and faithfully to fulfil our needs. and Vihar Exports tries its best to fulfil its requirements. Vihar exports serve more than 5000 farmers. farmers are the soul of a country; they play a major role in increasing the GDP of a country. this is our responsibility to take care of such precious gems. Vihar Exports are bought directly from farmers, this gives a good value for money and in this way, Vihar exports help farmers. also succeeded in presenting more fresh and pure products. which is the first priority of the world i.e.to be healthy. Fresh mangos especially Kesar mangoes are a pride of Gir Gujarat and many other varieties of Mangoes, authentic aromatic Indian spices collected from throughout India. best quality pulses, high nutrients, and minerals containing seeds. Vihar Exports make sure to maintain the quality of products as well as support farmers. Making Pesticides free and cruelty-free products and exporting to customers. 2409:40F2:3051:2BC5:9538:3360:F3DA:F5DA (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- None of that makes them notable in Wikipedia terms though, sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Paid Disclosure Support
Hi there,
I am trying to support a colleague in getting set up with a wikipedia page. This is non-profit work. You were so kind to provide feedback that I needed to provide disclosure of any paid work, I believe I updated this accordingly on my page, but it's possible I didn't do so correctly. Would you be willing to provide any addtional feedback so that I can try to keep working on this and eventually get it published?
Thank you so much! 7deadlyconsulting (talk) 00:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- This means you have a clear conflict of interest and need to make the necessary disclosure. Theroadislong (talk) 01:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Markus Kienzl
thanks for your helpful comment! MLachsteiner (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Ten Year Music Cycle
Hi Theroadislong,
Got your message that my article has been turned down. It's a theory that's been covered in the New York Times so I'm trying to understand why this wouldn't be an acceptable article for Wikipedia. Its been an accepted theory by the music and radio industry for the last 32 years. Its been published multiple times in music periodicals every year I've written about it since its first publishing in Radio & Records newspaper in October 1992. What can I do to help get this published in Wikipedia?
Thank you,
Guy
PS Here's the article from the New York Times Music Critic Neil Strauss https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/21/arts/pop-view-birth-and-rebirth-on-the-airwaves.html PPS: Heres a Google Search listing multiple sources of my writings on the Music Cycle https://www.google.com/search?q=zapoleon+music+cycle&sca_esv=ad3cebe3ffb4734a&sca_upv=1&biw=1920&bih=869&sxsrf=ADLYWILhJR3jWxW0WnrRmNqNGV2wQqk2wA%3A1724108682282&ei=is_DZsHxEPLjwN4PmtOwwQw&ved=0ahUKEwjB3r6slYKIAxXyMdAFHZopLMg4FBDh1QMIEA&uact=5&oq=zapoleon+music+cycle&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFHphcG9sZW9uIG11c2ljIGN5Y2xlMgQQIxgnMgQQIxgnMgQQIxgnMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogRIlBtQ4AZY1RhwAXgBkAEAmAH6AaAB6Q6qAQYwLjExLjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAg2gApIQwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBBAAGB7CAgYQABgFGB6YAwCIBgGQBgiSBwYxLjEwLjKgB5F4&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Guy Zapoleon (talk) 23:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do not publish original research. the draft was not supported by independent reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 06:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Gary Walkow
Hi. I just edited a page that I submitted for filmmaker Gary Walkow, removing all IMDb citations. Two of Walkow's films, Beat and Crashing, have their own Wikipedia pages; and his version of Notes from Underground is mentioned on the novel's Wikipedia page. Is this a factor in whether Walkow is considered Wiki-worthy? Best, Dan Sallitt Sallitt (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Ricky Jamaraz question
I have been editing the article quite a bit more and I feel like theres quite a bit of info on there, I was wondering that if I submitted it again and it was declined that would the whole article be deleted? The August Crisis (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your edit history shows no such edits, are you editing whilst logged out? Draft:Ricky Jamaraz shows zero indication of passing WP:NMUSICIAN and has zero independent, reliable sources so is not likely to be accepted, you can continue to edit it though, it wouldn't be deleted unless there was 6 months of no activity there. Theroadislong (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)−
Thanks for your review of my Draft: Swan Hills (Geographic Feature) article.
This was my first article on Wikipedia and I didn't realize what it required in order to qualify as a stub. My first draft was extremely basic, with only one statement, which intended to continue to edit. Thanks for informing me of the norms in this community.
The new draft has been substantially revised. I hope that it will pass muster and appear online. Chlorophilia.85 (talk) 03:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Cube of Truth: Request for more detail on rejection reason
Hi, thanks for taking the time to review my article proposal. Could you be more specific on what this is failing notability on? E.g. in my understanding the guardian article is solid for showing notability. Should I add more of those, is the Guardian article failing some criteria as well, or something else?
Relating to User:Sklabb/sandbox Sklabb (talk) 13:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Guardian source is good, the Facebook sources need to be replaced they are not reliable. Theroadislong (talk) 13:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks!
- I thought that facebook could be used with "According to" (i.e. WP:SELFSOURCE), and will replace those references, and try again when ready. Sklabb (talk) 13:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- ...Great minds... Theroadislong (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Could you explain the rationale behind [1] ? Sohom (talk) 15:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly, on your talk page you say you were "President of the organization in 2014-2015 and then on the board of trustees" this means you have a VERY clear conflict of interest and need to properly declare this. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- (I'm not the author of said draft) Also, I think you want to tag Draft:Financial_Management_Association instead? Draft:Direct Listing seems to be about a financial practise. Sohom (talk) 17:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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KITS Eyecare review
Hi there!
Thanks so much for reviewing my work :). I want to know what I can do or work on to ensure I am following Wikipedia's guidelines for the KITS Eyecare page. Please let me know what my page is doing that might need to be worked on! What is specifics is not qualifying?
Also, does it take up to 4 months to get a page posted?
Thanks so much for taking the time!!
Apresh98 (talk) 17:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Six of the ten sources are to the company's own website, Wikipedia has little interest in what the company says about itself. Two of the sources are press releases so are not independent either. The company would need to pass the criteria at WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Overeem Whisky Article
I couldn't workout how to reply to your comment. The World Whisky Awards and Jim Murray Whisky Bible awards are most certainly notable whether there is a Wikipedia article on them or not. Using an existing Wikipedia article as the benchmark for notability is a bit of a catch 22 as far as any new article submissions go, however considering there's an International Whisky Competition article, which is smaller in a global scale (but bigger in the US) than the World Whisky Awards, they're most certainly notable Abbaskip (talk) 14:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You've missed the point. The World Whisky Awards meet the criteria to be notable, and could easily have a page if someone bothered to make one. There are hundreds of articles about the awards from major media sources annually. They simply don't have an article because nobody has bothered making one.
- Wikipedia not having an article simply means nobody has created it. You create a logic loop if you define notability by having an existing Wikipedia article, and can only create Wikipedia article created if something is notable. Abbaskip (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No you are incorrect, if Overeem Whisky has won awards which are deemed notable by Wikipedia then they might be a notable business themselves. If the awards are not notable then it doesn't help.
- The non notable awards are cited to the The World Whisky Award website so that is not an independent source either. Theroadislong (talk) 15:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because it's not a World Whisky Awards article, it's an Overeem Whisky article, so in this case the World Whisky Awards are independent (of Overeem). If I was posting a World Whisky Awards article there are literally thousands of articles referencing the awards - however this would mean quoting multiple sources to reference that a whisky won an independent award.
- You could argue that the source isn't secondary, but it's most certainly independent of the subject (which is Overeem Whisky), and in this case a secondary source wasn't provided because of the above (referencing multiple awards on the WWA website over many years).
- Worth also referencing on the Notability article on Reddit:
- "Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article." Under this criteria the World Whisky Awards are most certainly notable. Abbaskip (talk) 15:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok I'm done here, I've been an AFC reviewer for many years, but you clearly know better. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest you take a look at the Meryl Streep Awards article, please let me know what each Academy Award reference cites?
- It's quite simple, the subject is Meryl Streep, and the Academy is independent to her and an objective source of her award wins. Abbaskip (talk) 15:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You can cite the Academy Awards website to document that she won those awards, but not to establish the notability of the Academy Awards. For that you need(and we have) independent reliable sources that discuss the importance and provenance of the awards. If you have that for the Whisky Awards, then go write that article first. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You don't seem to be considering the possibility that experienced reviewers who have been here longer than you might know what they are talking about, and take that into account. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Complete ad hominem. Experienced reviewers are open to feedback just as anybody else is.
- Thanks for your response around the Academy Awards example - that's helpful and the exact sort of response I take on board, as opposed to ignoring my rebuttal and simple "I'm experienced so know better".
- My point remains that the doesn't need to be a World Whisky Awards article for the World Whisky Awards to be notable. This is an inverse relationship and creates a logic loop as outlined above. Abbaskip (talk) 15:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- And don't use Reddit to support your arguments. Reddit is useless here but even so note it says should, not must and generally the community's expectation is the editor who creates an article is responsible for establishing notability. Editors are not obligated to do the legwork for you. As Theroadislong stated, you need to show the subject meets the WP:NCORP guideline. S0091 (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The *subject* isn't what they're questioning, that's the whole point here.
- Theroadislong is questioning the notability of a source, rather than the notability of a subject - and seemingly expecting both:
- Every source to be notable
- Every notable source to have an article (which would mean no new articles would ever need to be created)
- Abbaskip (talk) 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are attempting to use non notable awards with primary sources, to ascertain notability for the company. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No I'm not. I'm attempting to use Notable awards that have never had a page created for them, and in any case the Awards are simply additional information. The distillery being a founding distillery in Australian whisky and the fourth distillery to open in Tasmania (which at last count has more whisky distilleries than Ireland) are the primary are the reasons for notability.
- Not every cited reference in an article is you establish notability (as far as I'm aware?) Abbaskip (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are attempting to use non notable awards with primary sources, to ascertain notability for the company. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're citing that Reddit (FWIW) advice out of context. Before nominating an existing article for deletion, it is indeed the nominator's duty to check that evidence of notability doesn't exist outwith the article; it's part of the WP:BEFORE due dil. But with drafts, the onus is reversed: it is the draft author's (and/or other proponents') duty to present evidence that the subject is notable, and not expect reviewers to do that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to say Reddit, I meant wiki. The quote was direct from the Wiki article. Abbaskip (talk) 15:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted you edit to correct Reddit to Wiki because you cannot make substantial changes that change the context after a post has been replied to (WP:TALK#REPLIED). I know you didn't mean fall afoul of policy. S0091 (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, understood. Hopefully anyone contributing reads through the comments in any case. Abbaskip (talk) 16:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- All these comments should probably be moved to Draft talk:Overeem Whisky? Theroadislong (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- yes, sorry, your personal talk blowing up. Abbaskip (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- All these comments should probably be moved to Draft talk:Overeem Whisky? Theroadislong (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, if it's from Wikipedia rather than Reddit, it carries a bit more authority in what comes to the policies of Wikipedia, but my point remains. The rest of that section (WP:NEXIST) goes on to say (emphasis mine)
"Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources..."
. Here we're not talking about the deletion of an existing article, but the creation of a new one, which is a different matter. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to say Reddit, I meant wiki. The quote was direct from the Wiki article. Abbaskip (talk) 15:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No you are incorrect, if Overeem Whisky has won awards which are deemed notable by Wikipedia then they might be a notable business themselves. If the awards are not notable then it doesn't help.
Draft: Jessica Morse
Thank you for your help with my article on Jessica Morse. I have added more citations and resubmitted the draft for review. In my opinion, the article is greatly improved. Thiesen (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)