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News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

Administrator changes

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WikiCup 2019 July newsletter

The third round of the 2019 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round needed to score at least 68 points, which is substantially lower than last year's 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with 500 points derived mainly from a featured article and two GAs on natural history topics
Adam Cuerden, with 480 points, a tally built on 16 featured pictures, the result of meticulous restoration work
SounderBruce, a finalist in the last two years, with 306 points from a variety of submissions, mostly related to sport or the State of Washington
Usernameunique, with 305 points derived from a featured article and two GAs on archaeology and related topics

Contestants managed 4 (5) featured articles, 4 featured lists, 18 featured pictures, 29 good articles, 50 DYK entries, 9 ITN entries, and 39 good article reviews. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them, and it is imperative to claim them in the correct round; one FA claim had to be rejected because it was incorrectly submitted (claimed in Round 3 when it qualified for Round 2), so be warned! When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

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Lead (lede)

Hi, Ealdgyth - I'm aware the lede of an article should be a summary that stands on its own, but is there a MOS I'm missing that states whatever is stated/cited in the lede has to be in the body text? I realize that everything in the body doesn't have to be in the lede, but where does it specifically state that everything stated/cited in the lede must be in the body? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:LEDE - "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." ... generally that means something like co-ordinates for a town or pronunciation of the name. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks

Just wanted to say that I appreciate your work reverting vandalism on the Heathenry page. Keep up the good work. Stormkith (talk) 00:06, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Ahnentafels

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

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To answer your question...

This is the relevant bot approval, citing this discussion. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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The fourth round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 454 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with over 400 points being eliminated, and all but two of the finalists having achieved an FA during the round. Casliber, our 2016 winner, was the highest point-scorer, followed by Enwebb and Lee Vilenski, who are both new to the competition. In fourth place was SounderBruce, a finalist last year. But all those points are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

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William de Corbeil scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the William de Corbeil article has been scheduled as today's featured article for October 12, 2019. I know there's a potential date link for his enthronement, but I want to run this to replace another medieval cleric which turned out to have been scheduled before. Let me know asap if you would rather have this on the linked date so I can find an alternative.

Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 12, 2019, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

For Featured Articles promoted on or after October 1, 2018, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors up to the day of this TFA. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Not a problem, Jim. I don't get too fussed about enthronement dates - they were important in the middle ages, but not so much now. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Housecleaning

I wrote myself a note a long time ago about articles that I was surprised hadn't run at TFA yet ... two are Kurt Vonnegut (birthday Nov. 11) and Warren G. Harding (birthday Nov. 2). I don't have a preference on when they run ... this is more like housecleaning. Wehwalt nommed one and co-nommed the other, so I've asked on his talkpage if November would be a good time to run them. It's your call of course, since it's November. - Dank (push to talk) 16:55, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

There's an interesting discussion at User talk:Wehwalt#Housecleaning. - Dank (push to talk) 18:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Reformation

Thank you for your interest in making edits on the Reformation page but accept that you cannot refer to the Protestant Reformation as "European" and your acceptance of this is required to prevent an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.208.254 (talk) 23:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The edit war is over and the Reformation is not "European". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.208.254 (talk) 00:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot

I see you've been repeatedly deleting this bot's links to the Internet Archive, with the summary "no sense linking to previews that aren't complete". I entirely agree with you, and have done a few myself. These links seem calculated to waste the reader's time by sending them to consult pages that neither confirm the claims made, nor provide additional information of any value. Given that the bot is funded by the Internet Archive, they seem to my mind to amount to nothing more than spam. Do you know if this has been raised anywhere; or, if not, have any suggestions as to the best place to do so? GrindtXX (talk) 12:18, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Nikkimaria posted above User talk:Ealdgyth#To answer your question... with a pointer. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:39, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks ... that's disappointing. GrindtXX (talk) 12:56, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I started this discussion, in which I queried bot approval, but it seems to have been disregarded. Nortonius (talk) 13:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Like you, I had not appreciated that it was possible (by jumping through a lot of hoops) to access the full text through these links. But now, as of today (as far as I can see), the bot has started adding links with a "registration required" notice added (e.g. here). I'm still not wholly convinced of their usefulness or neutrality, but this is a massive step in the right direction. GrindtXX (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

To be honest, until those previews are available as cited in an article, i.e. over as many pages as are cited, I'm dead against them. I posted where I did because that's what it says to do on on the bot's talk page, but really I think the issue needs to be taken to a broader venue. For personal reasons, I'm disinclined to do that myself. But, as I said in the linked discussion, "as far as I can see, the inability to view more than two pages in a single preview was not raised as a substantive issue in the discussion of the original proposal": IOW, I believe approval of this bot activity was deeply flawed, and that it needs to be re-addressed. For another example, a key statement made in support of the activity in the approval discussion – "any book being linked straight to a page number is immediately visible to the reader clicking it" – is patently not true. As you've seen, the concerns I raised seem to have been ignored: certainly the bot is still posting those previews, and I and others are still reverting it. Nortonius (talk) 12:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

There are so many that I have given up on mass reverting and only revert on FAs. In some cases I have had to revert twice on the same article. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Use {{bots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to prevent the bot returning. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, good plan. Nortonius (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

And thanks from me. Dudley Miles (talk) 19:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I'm getting a lot of these too in my area. Something no one has mentioned that I see on this preview is that you can "borrow" the whole book for 14 days. I wonder if that is what is supposed to make the preview useful in the IA's eyes? Anyone else notice this? Is that where registered above is being referred to? However, I do agree that the preview is pretty useless. You can't see even one page after the contents. dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

About borrowing content, see the discussion I linked above, which for your convenience I link again here. I commented there on the idea of borrowing in the context of citations, but no-one responded so it wasn't developed. I've no idea of the scale of IABot's edits of this type, but I'd guess it's large. I wonder if archive.org isn't using WP to piggy-back its way to being the largest such resource on the web. I appreciate archive.org immensely, but in the meantime these edits are being steamrollered through WP with little or no regard for their usefulness or for how editors edit, e.g. WP:CITEVAR. As things stand the whole deal strikes me as a techie fantasy, dreamed up in isolation from those who actually edit. Nortonius (talk) 11:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Nortonius Thank you for providing the link again, my bad, I read all of it. I do not see the point of borrowing a book if you can't use it in citations. Even if you could use it in a citation, it would not be available except while it is borrowed, right? I see all concerns posted there & here are legitimate ones. I now feel it necessary to revert the edits in the articles I watchlist. I'm not sure if I will disable the bot on articles though. Anyway, thanks for the information, much appreciated. dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)