Talk:Eternal Sun

Eternal Sun was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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January 20, 2018	Good article nominee	Not listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 8, 2017.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that hall of fame horse Eternal Sun's owner purchased him with an IOU written on a corner torn from the page of the seller's catalog?

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Progeny Record in the book

On Page 93, there is a gray-boxed list shows "Halter and Performance Record: AQHA Champion, racing Register of Merit (speed index 95), $1,676, race earnings, $5 National Cutting Horse earnings. And then below that a list titled "Progeny Record."

It shows each total for all his progeny in each discipline. For example, Registered Foals: 908, Foal Crops: 24, Race Wins: 18, Race Winners, 16, etc. How detailed do we want to get with this? Would it be helpful for me to input all of these here? It's not in the get from AQHA.

dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:01, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Progeny from pages 101-102 legacy from sons

See bit in other section about Eternal Sun Bars, Sun Bars Sugar, Matt Sun...

Then see article for original content on the Dells (Carol Harris) from original article creation. Then here, there is more material from the book on the Dells: In the southeastern portion of the country, Eternal Dell and Majestic Dell fashioned a family of all-around champion show horses that included Eternal Giggle, Ditto Dell, Majestic Margarita, Ascendant, Majestic Signal, Majestic Forest, Majestic Hug, Swakara, Majestic Rascal, and Majestic Vaquero.

In the Midwest and the Northwest Eternal Fistful (Do you think this is the same horse mentioned in the source Story of the Statue?) and his maternal grandson Sucha Fistful created a family of champions including Fistful of Bees, Classic Fist, Mr. Fistation, Mr Tenacity, and Timeless Masterpiece.

Then there is a rather long paragraph his impact on the American Paint Horse Association. Painted Eternal is the horse, a 1969 brown overo stallion. I'm not typing that all in unless you think he's notable.

Then there is his impact on the Appaloosa bloddlines. Big Sun sired Aztec Sun, the AQHA 1975 Reserve World Champion 2-Year-Old stallion who became a AQHA Champion, as well as earning 118 halter points. there's a bit more about his get.

dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article improvements from the Western Horseman book

White Arabian Filly Hi WAF, it's really been quite awhile since we messaged. I've finally finished going through the book which has content on this horse. It's from pages 92-103, but there are a lot of large pictures. One page is composed of two pictures with captions and that's all so it's not quite as much content as it sounds like. But I still need some help with making sure it's not too closely paraphrased and making sure it's concise enough. This horse is just a state hall of fame horse. Some of other horses in these books are in the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame and their articles are not this long. There's a very detailed history of his progeny, and hopefully we can decide together which is really notable enough to include. But first of all, I could really use your help with the Life section. That's the section I did first and I had to integrate existing content with content from the book. It really needs a touch from a hand that is a horsewoman and some work rephrasing it so that it is not worded so closely to the book content. And then, after that take a look at what I've added and changed as a whole, especially since I've inserted lots of comments and some information on horses from the book into some sections in this talk page. I've done this since you can't read the book. This is my way of sharing some information with you so we can mull it over together and decide what to include. Let me know if this all makes sense to you. Any questions I'll be happy to answer. I do need a little more help than usual, but there's no time limit. I'd really like to go for the GA again. I believe the same editor is willing to do it again too. Okay, well I hope all is well with you. Can't believe it's almost Easter already. Oh, yes, I finally just got my autopatrol right a few days ago. dawnleelynn^(talk) 02:58, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I haven't been on and haven't seen this before. I can do some of it today and then hopefully I can get back on tomorrow and take care of the rest if it takes that long. I'm going to have to go through my watchlist and revert a lot of vandalism probably. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay, it's only been a couple of days, and remember you don't need to rush as there's no time limit. And I have time for any issues you want to discuss. Or things you want me to look up in the book scans. It's all good! :) I hope you are just talking about the Life section right now, also. dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I am only talking about the Life section now. I did a few minor changes to things that jumped out at me, and will do more later, but overall it looks good. It's not a problem to have a longer article than some of the others. I don't think all the national HoF horses are in the Legends books, just looking at the numbers, and without a book or old magazine copies you have a hard time finding info. If the material is there, a longer article is good. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:43, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, do it as you can, no worries. Try to do a little bit of paraphrasing if you can. I did have trouble with that section in that regard. All the rest of the sections I can make sure the paraphrasing is good myself. But for the pedigree part it was harder to rephrase...I don't know the terminology as well. Thanks a bunch! Also good to know about article length, that will help too. dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A horse named Story Man

Tigerboy1966 Hi, how are you doing? I'm working on that project we talked about awhile ago. I'm putting sections into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame horse inductee articles. I'm going alphabetically like you did. I just did Joe Hancock P-455.

I was wondering if you could a look at this pedigree issue for me. It shouldn't take very long. I wrote this horse article with White Arabian Filly's help; she's the horse expert. But she's been a missing Wikipedian for over a year now.

A drive-by editor came in and removed a horse's name, Story Man, saying that Eternal Sun is not his sire. The only source I have for this horse is primary, an article which has since been taken down and only exists in the Wayback Machine here: [1]

In truth, there have been four horses listed in that source article once. None of them show up in the AQHA get for Eternal Sun, which I was lucky enough to get for free from the Internet here: [2] I downloaded the PDF and searched it for these names and was not successful.

Here's the full sentence from one version of the source article listing the horses: "Successful progeny include Quiet Enjoyment, Story Man, Eternal Fistfull, and A Star in Time."

Is there any other way to verify? Could there be more than one horse named Story Man? Appreciate your thoughts even if just a direction to take.

Well, I finished the horses today. It was a good idea. dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]