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Errors Today's FA

You seem to have decided that there should be no discussion of the idea that "unveiled" is not an appropriate term for the opening of a visitor centre. Please explain what precedents there are for such usage, or what other reason you believe it to be a suitable verb in that context. Kevin McE (talk) 21:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I did not decide that - I decided that no one else has agreed with you, so it appears that there is not consensus for your viewpoint. That's all. Sometimes as editors our viewpoints don't prevail... it's just a fact of wikilife. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Nobody had even replied to the issue, so how can you possibly conclude that consensus was against me? Kevin McE (talk) 09:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) From what I can see, it's the sculpture that was unveiled, not the visitor centre. That is, in both the TFA blurb and in the article. Nortonius (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Of course it was, but the intransigent troupe at WP:ERRORS wouldn't change it, and Ealdgyth didn't even want people to see that there was a request for them to change it. And the TFA blurb extended the verb 'unveiled' to the centre as well as the statue. Kevin McE (talk) 12:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I see that your last point is logically correct. I won't comment on the other aspects, except to say that I default to trusting Ealdgyth's judgement: I'm just not around enough to get involved in discussions like that under my own steam. But feel free to ping me for another opinion on issues like this. Nortonius (talk) 13:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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TFA

Thank you today for William de Corbeil, "one of the more obscure but interesting archbishops of England. He was a compromise candidate, not really a monk but not a fully "normal" clergyman either. He built the tower at Rochester Castle, and supervised the finishing of Canterbury Cathedral. He spent most of his episcopate in a dispute with the archbishop of York and thus spent all his time running back and forth to Rome. It's been copyedited quite extensively by Malleus, who is definitely a co-nom on this."! - I miss Eric. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Trevenant?

Checking the cited source for Thomas Trevenant it seems he's named John there. And provided this is the same guy, ODNB too has him as a John. Whence the Thomas?

The issue, by the way, popped up over on Wikisource in the context of this work which may or may not be of interest to you. --Xover (talk) 19:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Quite possible it’s a typo...I often used a previous article as a template or it could be I transposed lones in the source. I’m not home at the moment but I’ll check the source when I get home. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:08, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it's a mistake - Handbook has him as John. Go ahead and fix it. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I've moved it to John Trevenant and expanded it a tiny bit (just to make sure his role in the deposition of Richard II is mentioned) and added a cite to the ODNB entry. There's a little low-hanging fruit for expansion there for anyone familiar with all the ecclestiastical offices and the related politics (which I am most decidedly not). --Xover (talk) 14:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sobibor

Thanks for your edits on the Sobibor article the other day! The article is a bit of a mess and doesn't seem to have gotten much attention lately. I'm drafting a new section for this article in my userspace sandbox-- if you'd like to help, or just have a look, you can find it here. (I've cloned the whole article in that link, but the only new stuff is in the "life in the camp" section.) Botterweg14 (talk) 14:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Ray Emery TFA

This article was scheduled before, and I had expressed concerns it might be a bit borderline because of how long it's been since (1) FAC and (2) being actively maintained. Wehwalt had pulled the article. Do you feel the article is suitable for TFA? Maxim_(talk) 17:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

A quick glance at it doesn't make it seem that awful... my general belief is if the article is awful or in need of brushingup - it should either be taken to a FA review so it can be delisted rather than just not run... or the exposure on the front page will give it the polish it may need. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Richard III Thanks

Thank you for reversing the vandalism in Richard III's page today. I will never understand why some anonymous vandal bothers to waste time like this. What is the point? Anyway, I try to hit the Thank button when I spot this, and occasionally send a personal thank you just to say your prompt efforts are much appreciated. Cheers. History Lunatic (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2019 (UTC)History Lunatic

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Inter-Allied Women's Conference

I'm not much good at asking for things, I know diddly squat about Medieval England, and though I've ridden horses for most of my life, I know very little about them either. That being said, Montanabw suggested I contact you to see if you'd be interested in reviewing a FA nomination I have posted. It has nothing to do with horses, but there are some English women involved. ;) The review seems to be stuck with 2 comments done. As it is my first nomination, I have no idea how to get it unstuck except to ask people, who will give an impartial and thorough review, to look at it. If you cannot, no big deal; we are all volunteers here and I totally get that interests and real life limit what we work on. SusunW (talk) 14:13, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Ping me again next week if it’s still hanging. I’m on the road until Tuesday, then picking up a new filly in South Dakota Wednesday and Thursday, then doing photography for a client over the weekend..hopefully will calm down next week. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Our schedules seem to be in sync. We'll be traveling out of the country (I live in Mexico) Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of this coming week, but should be back the following one. Thank you. SusunW (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hope all of your travels went well. We were able to accomplish our frustrating, but necessary personal business, and get back home with few difficulties. Gog the Mild, who is mentoring me through this process, tells me I still need a source review and a photograph review. The latter, I am familiar with, as I had a lengthy review during the ClassA evaluation. 4 Images have been added since that review. As for the source review, I have no idea what that means, but if needed, I can e-mail the papers and journal articles sent to me by professors Cobble and Siegel. Would you be able to assist with either of those? SusunW (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps by Friday... the game I work for has a big event starting THursday and ... my photography client is sending me more product to photograph come Tuesday... I'm still not done with what she sent Friday! Ealdgyth - Talk 20:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I am reluctant to ask again, as it feels as if I am being pushy, but it appears the article is down to a source review being needed. Again, I totally understand real world obligations and if you simply cannot, I am totally okay with that. SusunW (talk) 17:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

YOu're not being pushy. I just have no time... I'm sorry, I wouldn't count on me being able to do anything any time soon. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your honesty. I truly appreciate your even considering it, as I get that real life always comes first. SusunW (talk) 19:23, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Your Guide

Hi Ealdgyth. First off, thanks for making your guides for so many years; they are one of those i read from cover to cover, to misuse a metaphor, each year. Just a very minor point for this year's: You have Xeno listed as "Is an admin" but of course, though he should perhaps again be, he is not. As i say, minor; thanks again! Happy days, Lindsay^Hello 12:25, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Corrected. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:30, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I dunno how many more paleontology articles you're gonna' get out of me :) ... in general I leave that stuff to the pros. For proper historical balance I should get to Othniel Charles Marsh since I did Edward Drinker Cope, but I've been recently diverted in my more scholarly pursuits by architecture, mainly. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Question: I see in your guide you have a statistic "X 'real' pages created", of which I'm credited with 174. Looking over my edit history, I managed to count some 300 substantial articles I created -- & this was before I got as far as the numerous articles on Ethiopia I started/wrote. So a "'real' page" doesn't relate to articles created. What does this stat refer to? (You may want to explain that in your guide to avoid further questions from puzzled yet experienced editors.) -- llywrch (talk) 04:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I took it from here but I may have been inundated with figures since that number isn't what I put on your stats. It's corrected now. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:59, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I was simply asking for a definition, but thank you for the correction. -- llywrch (talk) 10:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

No response or re-evaluation needed - I'm happy to be (lawfully) neutral - wrt to "concerned about activity": my answer to the question from Piotrus was meant to indicate that I have identified blocks of time in my schedule that will be allocated to arbitration activity. –xeno^talk 16:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Editing gap

Hi Ealdgyth, thanks once again for your kind words in your guide. You noted a small gap in 2008. That would be one of the two times that I was travelling around the world. While I was doing that I usually used User:The Rambling Man on tour to avoid any issues with accounts being hacked in internet cafes etc while I was an admin. I haven't checked the contributions, but I suspect they'd mesh ok. Cheers again. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you

I just noticed your extensive work on History of the world back in 2017, checking references and pruning the text. Especially for articles with such massive scope, these are some of the most important but also somewhat neglected tasks, so I just wanted to give a big thanks for helping out with that! -- Beland (talk) 21:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

I will get back to it eventually - we started looking for a new place about late 2017 and have been moving since. I want to get to it and The Holocaust again. @SlimVirgin: - we should definitely be thinking GA on Holocaust soon... Ealdgyth - Talk 21:30, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

That would be huge. SarahSV ^(talk) 22:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Won't be worse than Middle Ages. We've managed to mostly move... I have ILL access once more... Ealdgyth - Talk 23:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. The thing about the article is that it's patchy. There are some sections that are really quite good. But others are weak, e.g. the uniqueness question. We don't explain what the issue is, or what Nolte was arguing and why people reacted so strongly. I began working on it a few days ago, thinking I'd quickly bring it up to speed, but I was soon disabused of any notion of "quickly". Organization is another issue. We should probably print out a copy. That helps with structure. SarahSV ^(talk) 00:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

FAC coord!

Hi Ealdgyth, I wanted to stop by to let you know how thrilled I was to see the thread at FAC talk re FAC coord; it closed before I got there to add my support, but that goes without saying! Good luck with everything and Happy Thanksgiving. Victoria (tk) 21:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Ealdgyth - Talk 19:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Congrats!

Welcome, new FA coordinator. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Ealdgyth - Talk 19:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)