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"Cite web" RfD closed as "no consensus" rather than "keep"

Hi. It's not that important, but I'm a bit curious as to why you closed the Cite web RfD as "no consensus" rather than "keep".

I know these are not democratic votes, and I'm not that familiar with closing them. But there were only two users actually arguing for deletion, and one of them only said that "Cite web" might also refer to something outside of wikis. Presumably, if I understood it correctly, this meant that it might be its own article or redirect to a mainspace section. You can probably tell that I didn't find it convincing.

The IP editor made a decent argument about WP:CNR, using the "WP:"-shortcut and that articlespace exclusively should be readership content. But I would say that the consensus appeared to be to keep the redirect because of the possible positive effect on citation quality and the convenience of editors, both new and experienced.

I'm sorry to relitigate this, especially as the result mostly is the same with both. And I know that consensus is a vague thing. I just interpreted it differently.

(Pinging as to not go behind their back. Crouch, Swale, 65.92.246.77) (And to declare a potential conflict, for lack of a better term, I have also replied to the Cite AV media RfD and stated that the Cite web RfD was closed as "no censensus". So if it now changes, I think I should pledge not to update that matter in the Cite AV media RfD, to keep these matters separate.) BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  • There were 43 (or 54 if you count the sock strike'd nom) favouring deletion and 6 people favouring keeping. The main argument for deleting was that its a XNR for a non Wikipedia specific term which is well grounded in consensus about such redirects. The main argument for keeping was that many people find it useful which is also well grounded in consensus. I might well have closed the discussion as "keep" if I'd been the closer but "no consensus" also seems fine. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
    I counted three "delete"s + nom, where one didn't add any arguments, and nom only argued that it had been while since the last discussion. My argument was also a bit repetitive in this one, but either by the democratic or argumentative standard, I thought the RfD leaned towards "keep". But I'm biased, and I agree that "no consensus" wasn't a great injustice. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
    Sorry there was one less than I counted but I do think that the arguments about being a non-Wikipedia specific XNR may be enough to prevent this from being a "keep" even though I probably would have closed as such. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
That's alright. Thanks for taking the time. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi BucketOfSquirrels. I closed it as "no consensus to delete", which is not the same as a general "no consensus" close. I was originally going to close as keep, but I felt that this was a better representation of the arguments presented, pointing to the fact that deletion — what the nominator was looking for — was very unlikely to happen (see WP:SNOW). Common practice is generally to delete non-Wikipedia-specific cross-namespace redirects from mainspace, so I weighted the IAR keep votes saying that they find it personally useful slightly less than I might've normally. Relisting may well have balanced out the numbers, but a consensus to delete was clearly not going to emerge so there was no point in keeping it open. I wasn't saying there was no consensus at all in the discussion, just that consensus for deletion was unlikely to happen. C F A 21:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
OK. Thank you for taking the time. I wasn't aware of the difference and just focused on the "no consensus" in bold. But it makes me wonder what would be the best way to differentiate between the "hung jury" no consensus and the "it was never gonna happen" no consensus. I get that this system isn't changing anytime soon. It's just that when pages like these start earning entire scrolls of XfD's to list, then it seems like the short form of the conclusion could matter further down the line. But it appears that it wasn't quite there this time. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
So it seems that it's been brought up again in the Cite AV media RfD that the closure was interpreted simply as "no consensus" without relisting. Seeing as the result wasn't changed to "keep" after my query, and the existing result was merely clarified, I don't think there's a conflict in relaying the clarification I received here. (But please let me know if you disagree or are uncomfortable with that. Or, if I've already posted it, feel free to edit my quote of you if you feel it's inappropriate.)
I thought about quoting a shortened version of your reply in the Cite AV media RfD. But I couldn't decide on a way to edit it that was clearly impartial. I was considering "I closed it as "no consensus to delete", which is not the same as a general "no consensus" close. [...] Relisting may well have balanced out the numbers, but a consensus to delete was clearly not going to emerge so there was no point in keeping it open. [...]". But I think I'm more inclined to quote the whole thing. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 07:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 49, 2024)

Josephson voltage standard chip developed by the National Bureau of Standards as a standard volt
Hello, CFA. The article for improvement of the week is:

Volt

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Diurnality • Wikipedia:Articles for improvement/2024/47/1

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Tech News: 2024-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

  • Two new parser functions were added this week. The {{#interwikilink}} function adds an interwiki link and the {{#interlanguagelink}} function adds an interlanguage link. These parser functions are useful on wikis where namespaces conflict with interwiki prefixes. For example, links beginning with MOS: on English Wikipedia conflict with the mos language code prefix of Mooré Wikipedia.
  • Starting this week, Wikimedia wikis no longer support connections using old RSA-based HTTPS certificates, specifically rsa-2048. This change is to improve security for all users. Some older, unsupported browser or smartphone devices will be unable to connect; Instead, they will display a connectivity error. See the HTTPS Browser Recommendations page for more-detailed information. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [1]
  • Starting December 16, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: arwiki, cawiki, frwiki, mediawikiwiki, orwiki, wawiki, wawiktionary, wikidatawiki, zhwiki. This is done as part of StructuredDiscussions deprecation work. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact Trizek (WMF). [2]
  • This month the Chart extension was deployed to production and is now available on Commons and Testwiki. With the security review complete, pilot wiki deployment is expected to start in the first week of December. You can see a working version on Testwiki and read the November project update for more details.
  • View all 23 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, a bug with the "Download as PDF" system was fixed. [3]

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  • In late February, temporary accounts will be rolled out on at least 10 large wikis. This deployment will have a significant effect on the community-maintained code. This is about Toolforge tools, bots, gadgets, and user scripts that use IP address data or that are available for logged-out users. The Trust and Safety Product team wants to identify this code, monitor it, and assist in updating it ahead of the deployment to minimize disruption to workflows. The team asks technical editors and volunteer developers to help identify such tools by adding them to this list. In addition, review the updated documentation to learn how to adjust the tools. Join the discussions on the project talk page or in the dedicated thread on the Wikimedia Community Discord server (in English) for support and to share feedback.

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2024 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2024 Newsletter

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HBC (yacht) / C2 (yacht)

Hi, CFA, please could you undo the move of the page, as seen with Thewolfchild ?! Many thanks and best regards from France ! Mitchosaure (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done. C F A 23:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you ! 😉 Mitchosaure (talk) 23:59, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from This Video Has 73M Views (23:35, 7 December 2024)

Hello CFA, thanks for mentoring me. I have a question about fixing NPOV violations. I found an NPOV issue on the Gutmann method page. The last paragraph in the article stated unattributed opinions as facts. (There was a citation as the end of the paragraph, but this appeared to only apply to the last claim of the paragraph.) I rewrote the paragraph to be new more neutral, but I couldn't find a source for the opinions, and the topic was bit too far beyond my areas of expertise to properly research. In order to be neutral I ended up resorting to using weasel words with a by whom? tag. In the future how should I fix biased unattributed opinions. --This Video Has 73M Views (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi This Video Has 73M Views. A tag is perfectly fine in this case because it will alert other editors (who may be more equipped) of the issue. If, in the future, you are unable to find a source for something, you can tag it with {{citation needed}} or remove it altogether. You could also use {{disputed inline}} and start a discussion on the talk page, where other interested editors who are watching the page can join in. WP:WIKIVOICE has some advice on this topic — but, yes, normally you should attribute opinions directly to sources (e.g. [source] believes that... [citation]). Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy editing! C F A 23:59, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of The Rizzler for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Rizzler is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Rizzler until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

UtherSRG (talk) 23:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 50, 2024)

Hello, CFA. The article for improvement of the week is:

Gulf

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Volt • Diurnality

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Tech News: 2024-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

  • Technical documentation contributors can find updated resources, and new ways to connect with each other and the Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team, at the Documentation hub on MediaWiki.org. This page links to: resources for writing and improving documentation, a new #wikimedia-techdocs IRC channel on libera.chat, a listing of past and upcoming documentation events, and ways to request a documentation consultation or review. If you have any feedback or ideas for improvements to the documentation ecosystem, please contact the Technical Documentation Team.

Updates for editors

Layout change for the Edit Check feature
  • Later this week, Edit Check will be relocated to a sidebar on desktop. Edit check is the feature for new editors to help them follow policies and guidelines. This layout change creates space to present people with new Checks that appear while they are typing. The initial results show newcomers encountering Edit Check are 2.2 times more likely to publish a new content edit that includes a reference and is not reverted.
  • The Chart extension, which enables editors to create data visualizations, was successfully made available on MediaWiki.org and three pilot wikis (Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedias). You can see a working examples on Testwiki and read the November project update for more details.
  • Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now discover articles in Wikiproject campaigns of their interest from the "All collection" category in the articles suggestion feature. Wikiproject Campaign organizers can use this feature, to help translators to discover articles of interest, by adding the <page-collection> </page-collection> tag to their campaign article list page on Meta-wiki. This will make those articles discoverable in the Content Translation tool. For more detailed information on how to use the tool and tag, please refer to the step-by-step guide. [4]
  • The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, now has a multiselect filter for namespace selection. This enables users to select multiple specific namespaces, instead of only one or all, when fetching pages for deletion.
  • The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions. Thanks to Chlod and the Moderator Tools team for both of these improvements. [5]
  • The Editing Team is working on making it easier to populate citations from archive.org using the Citoid tool, the auto-filled citation generator. They are asking communities to add two parameters preemptively, archiveUrl and archiveDate, within the TemplateData for each citation template using Citoid. You can see an example of a change in a template, and a list of all relevant templates. [6]
  • One new wiki has been created: a Wikivoyage in Indonesian (voy:id:) [7]
  • Last week, all wikis had problems serving pages to logged-in users and some logged-out users for 30–45 minutes. This was caused by a database problem, and investigation is ongoing. [8]
  • Recurrent item View all 19 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, a bug in the Add Link feature has been fixed. Previously, the list of sections which are excluded from Add Link was partially ignored in certain cases. [9][10]

Updates for technical contributors

  • Codex, the design system for Wikimedia, now has an early-stage implementation in PHP. It is available for general use in MediaWiki extensions and Toolforge apps through Composer, with use in MediaWiki core coming soon. More information is available in the documentation. Thanks to Doğu for the inspiration and many contributions to the library. [11]
  • Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. On December 4, the MediaWiki Interfaces team began rerouting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content endpoints on testwiki from RESTbase to comparable MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The team encourages active users of these endpoints to verify their tool's behavior on testwiki and raise any concerns on the related Phabricator ticket before the end of the year, as they intend to roll out the same change across all Wikimedia projects in early January. These changes are part of the work to replace the outdated RESTBase system.
  • The 2024 Developer Satisfaction Survey is seeking the opinions of the Wikimedia developer community. Please take the survey if you have any role in developing software for the Wikimedia ecosystem. The survey is open until 3 January 2025, and has an associated privacy statement.
  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week. [12]

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Request for Adoption

Hi, I'm somewhat new to Wikipedia editing and I've started a few pages of my own. I want to improve the quality of these pages and get them to higher ratings, as well as learning more about the ins and outs of Wikipedia as a whole. Would you be interested? Tylermack999 (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tylermack999. Sure. I've set myself as your mentor. Don't hesitate to leave a message or ping me if you have any questions. Happy editing! C F A 01:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Why can't I move my draft to mainspace?

@CFA: I have a draft that I'm trying to move to mainspace, but I keep getting an error saying "The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid."

Why am I getting this? I know there is a redirect page under the name of my article that redirects to the plane's successor, so maybe that's it? Tylermack999 (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Tylermack999: That was the case - I've gone ahead and moved it for you. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
@The Bushranger Thanks a ton! Tylermack999 (talk) 02:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

William Coulson

Hi CFA, could you take a look at William Coulson? I'm unsure whether the surgeon is the primary topic, given that the entire article is built on a singular reference, but I don't think the mining engineer, military officer and footballer are worthy candidates either. I feel that creating a disambiguation page would be the best option. APM (talk) 18:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, no clear primary topic. I've moved accordingly and created a disambiguation page. C F A 03:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 December 2024

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Hi @CFA, I was able to track down the Marathon Petroleum logo hi-res to be used on the Marathon Petroleum page. You can find it here (pulled from this page: https://www.marathonpetroleum.com/Newsroom/Corporate-Logos-and-Standards/)


Please let me know if there is anything else you need and thank you very much for your help!

12.97.49.171 (talk) 13:41, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done, uploaded. You can find it at File:Marathon Petroleum Corporation logo.jpg. C F A 04:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

At least you gave an explanation, even if it is just one word. Plasticwonder (talk) 04:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Stumbleannnn (23:22, 12 December 2024)

Where do I practice edit --Stumbleannnn (talk) 23:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Stumbleannnn. You can use the Wikipedia sandbox to test editing. The best way to practice is to get out there and start improving articles. Happy editing! C F A 04:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank yo!! hi it's me (talk) 04:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dirindalex1988 (14:58, 12 December 2024)

Hello, I signed up to make some corrections and edits to the AEYE Health page, as stated on my user page. Do you suggest to directly implement the changes (clearly specifying, where possible, that I am being compensated for this service), or should I propose the changes on the article's talk page first? Thanks in advance :) --Dirindalex1988 (talk) 14:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dirindalex1988. Yes, you should propose edits on the article's talk page. Add the {{COI edit request}} template to the top of your proposed changes so a reviewer can double-check them. C F A 04:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Ok, thanks a lot! Dirindalex1988 (talk) 09:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from IndicArya (01:50, 14 December 2024)

Hello Mr. Alpha, I have a Hindi dictionary that might be helpful for replacing English words (written in the Devanagari script) for something more familiar to the Hindi Wikipedia audience and therefore better their understanding of a concept. So I was wondering if could do that? Thanks :) --IndicArya (talk) 01:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Stumbleannnn (05:17, 14 December 2024)

Am i going a little overboard on my userpage? I have found many new templates and are using them alot --Stumbleannnn! Talk to me 05:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think anyone will care about what you have on your userpage as long as you are editing the encyclopedia constructively. If all you do is edit your userpage and never touch an article, someone might complain. C F A 16:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Stumbleannnn (19:23, 13 December 2024)

Why is my signature not working in markup?? I have it on markup mode --{{SUBST:box|Stumbleannnn!}} Talk to me 19:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Stumbleannnn: It's not working because you're using &#124; instead of the actual vertical bar character (|). It will not subst without the vertical bar. C F A 21:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
i will upload a file bc if I add real pipe it breaks I will show you {{SUBST:box|Stumbleannnn!}} Talk to me 00:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Nvm I can't
When i use pipe it says "retired html class: div" and "you must have one line of wikitext' {{SUBST:box|Stumbleannnn!}} Talk to me 00:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
idk if it's a mobile issue {{SUBST:box|Stumbleannnn!}} Talk to me 00:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
I will try the app {{SUBST:box|Stumbleannnn!}} Talk to me 00:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
This works just fine: {{subst:box|[[User:Stumbleannnn|Stumbleannnn!]]}} - UtherSRG (talk) 12:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
@Stumbleannnn: You could also add the border using plain HTML: <span style="border-width:2px; border-style:solid; border-color:black; padding:4px">[[User:Stumbleannnn|Stumbleannnn!]]</span>. I think {{box}} is too complicated for signatures. C F A 16:27, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, okay! Thanks! Stumbleannnn! Talk to me 20:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Hm, I wanted it filled in (with white) but I'm not too well versed in html. Stumbleannnn! Talk to me 20:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 51, 2024)

Hello, CFA. The article for improvement of the week is:

Jetty

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Gulf • Volt

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Question from Royiswariii (04:56, 15 December 2024)

Hello, CFA! I would like your opinion on our discussion about whether Grand Biniverse should have a standalone article. You can find the discussion here: Biniverse § Clarification regarding succeeding concerts as part of the tour.

To provide some context, Biniverse is a concert tour by the Filipino girl group Bini, and Grand Biniverse is a solo concert by Bini as well. The term Biniverse has existed long before this tour, dating back to Bini's debut era. However, some editors are claiming that Grand Biniverse is part of the Biniverse tour, which I strongly disagree with. (Unfortunately, I can't locate the discussion where this claim originated.) Although, it shares the same name as Biniverse, Grand Biniverse is a way different type of concert which is a solo concert, meaning it is a one time only performance. On the other hand, the upcoming Grand Biniverse: Valentine Repeat is also a distinct concert."

Laurenti Dyogi, ABS-CBN's Head of Entertainment Production, clarified in a tweet on July 6, 2024, that Grand Biniverse was a new show and distinct from the previous shows. You can see the tweet here: [13].

So what do you think, it is need to be a separate article on this? --Royiswariii Talk! 04:56, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Royiswariii. There is no requirement that topics have to be explicitly distinct in order to create separate articles. WP:SPLITTING has some advice on the matter: In some cases, refactoring an article into child or sister articles can allow subtopics to be discussed more fully elsewhere ... but only if the new articles are themselves sufficiently notable to be included in the encyclopedia. Ultimately whether to split subtopics out is an editorial decision that should be worked out on the talk page. One relevant guideline is WP:PAGEDECIDE, which says: the decision should always be based upon specific considerations about how to make the topic understandable, and not merely upon personal likes or dislikes (emphasis mine). There are a few things you should consider, including size, notability, the amount of coverage, and whether reliable sources discuss them separately. I haven't looked into this specific case as I'm not familiar with the topic at all, but hopefully some of the links I've given you will help. Happy editing, C F A 02:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #183 is out: Sketching a path to Abstract Wikipedia; Team offsite in Lisbon; and much more

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss how natural language generation for Abstract Wikipedia might develop, and we share news on tools and types on Wikifunctions.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

  • Interested in improving event management on your home wiki? The CampaignEvents extension offers organizers features like event registration management, event/wikiproject promotion, finding potential participants, and more - all directly on-wiki. If you are an organizer or think your community would benefit from this extension, start a discussion to enable it on your wiki today. To learn more about how to enable this extension on your wiki, visit the deployment status page.

Updates for editors

  • Users of the iOS Wikipedia App in Italy and Mexico on the Italian, Spanish, and English Wikipedias, can see a personalized Year in Review with insights based on their reading and editing history.
  • Users of the Android Wikipedia App in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia can see the new Rabbit Holes feature. This feature shows a suggested search term in the Search bar based on the current article being viewed, and a suggested reading list generated from the user’s last two visited articles.
  • The global reminder bot is now active and running on nearly 800 wikis. This service reminds most users holding temporary rights when they are about to expire, so that they can renew should they want to. See the technical details page for more information.
  • The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 13 January 2025 because of the end of year holidays. Thank you to all of the translators, and people who submitted content or feedback, this year.
  • Recurrent item View all 27 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, a bug was fixed in the Android Wikipedia App which had caused translatable SVG images to show the wrong language when they were tapped.

Updates for technical contributors

  • There is no new MediaWiki version next week. The next deployments will start on 14 January. [14]

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New pages patrol January 2025 Backlog drive

January 2025 Backlog Drive | New pages patrol
  • On 1 January 2025, a one-month backlog drive for new pages patrol will begin in hopes of addressing the growing backlog.
  • Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled.
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A7 on Crystal Brothers

Hello CFA -- I declined this because there were clear claims about the subject's career in ballet sufficient to meet the low threshold of A7; subsequently dropping the name in Proquest/Ebsco comes up with quite a few substantive hits in specialist press, and I think it's possible that the subject may actually be notable. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Interesting — I'll take a closer look. Thanks for letting me know. C F A 16:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

New page patroller training

Hello, I was wondering if you're still offering the new page patroller training! I am interested in helping to clear the big backlog that is piling up, and I have recently (since 6 months ago) been more active since I've been having more time. Artwhitemaster (talk) 07:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #184 is out: Function of the Week: age; Intros for year articles; New Type: Floating-point number

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In the last issue for 2024, we discuss functions to create introductions for articles about years, we showcase one of the 23 functions with the Gregorian year type, we introduce a new type, and finally we take a look at the latest software developments.

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This week's article for improvement (week 52, 2024)

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Architect

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Concern Regarding Disruptive Behavior

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I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to bring to your attention the actions of User:Kriji Sehamati, who has been engaging in disruptive editing and appears to be acting in bad faith.

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• Unjustified nominations of verified articles for deletion.

• Ignoring Wikipedia guidelines like WP:NPOL, WP:V, and WP:RS.

• Repeatedly making edits without reliable sources or proper consensus.

Despite warnings, the user continues this behavior, which is impacting the quality of multiple articles.

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Thank you for your time and support. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I noticed that User:Kriji Sehamati has also nominated the article Rudraneil Sengupta‬, Viveka Nand Sharan Tripathi and many others for deletion. Since you previously reviewed it and I believe it meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 15:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You removed tool link which helps user to perform online tasbih, tasbihdigital.net is a tool helping user with tasbih. It is relevent to users and helpful please recover it. Nadirtasbih (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Jennifer Cook

Hi CFA, back again! Could you take a look at Jennifer Cook? At the moment, the article refers to a healthcare executive, but I feel that the author might be the primary topic, given her recurring appearances on Love on the Spectrum. If not, then I'd recommend another disambiguation page. APM (talk) 11:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree — It looks like Jennifer Cook O'Toole is the clear primary topic here. It's probably worth a discussion to see if the author's article should stay at Jennifer Cook O'Toole and get the primary redirect, or simply take over Jennifer Cook. In the mean time, I've nominated the pharmacist's article for deletion as she does not appear notable. C F A 21:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I think that'll happen sooner or later. Just so you know, O'Toole is the surname of her ex-husband, and was credited under her married name for the books she wrote, including the Asperkids series. She has since remarried, but has not taken her new husband's surname professionally, opting to go by her birth name instead. APM (talk) 21:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Concern Regarding Disruptive Behavior

Dear CFA,

I would like to flag here the repeated behavior of Perche123 on the page Adela Demetja, deleting a paragraph on Demetja's involvement in the assault on a journalist and curator. This assault has been well documented, so I see no reason why this needs to be continuously removed. Your assistance in this (since you did the first revert of their deletion) would be welcome.

Thanks, Kuc3dra Kuc3dra (talk) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from LaezGame (21:10, 26 December 2024)

Hi there, I want to link to an article that doesn't seem to exist. It is a specific place/institution called "The Leaf". Should I link to it? If yes how do I link to an article that doesn't exist? --LaezGame (talk) 21:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't know Alpazi (talk) 14:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi LaezGame, and welcome to Wikipedia! You can link to articles that don't already exit so long as you think they might be plausibly created in the future. In this case, if you think The Leaf is notable or might become notable in the future, feel free to link to it. H:WIKILINK explains how to do this: If you're using the source editor, you'd simply wrap it in double square brackets ([[The Leaf (place)]] produces The Leaf (place)). Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy editing, C F A 17:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Question from Alpazi on Wikipedia:User pages (14:43, 27 December 2024)

Hello I want to be publicly shown --Alpazi (talk) 14:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Alpazi. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but you might be looking for Wikipedia:Your first article, Wikipedia:Autobiographies, or your personal userpage. Happy editing, C F A 17:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question from ISubjective on Jurisdiction (00:17, 28 December 2024)

As such. With our proceedings to us as such so forth be held until no more. --ISubjective (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Bidenisms

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Question from Odima Osure (22:27, 28 December 2024)

I want to be able to write content for wikipedia how can I achieve this? --Odima Osure (talk) 22:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Odima Osure. If you're interested in writing an article, see Help:Your first article. We recommend, however, that new users start with improving existing articles instead — writing an article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do correctly on Wikipedia. Please also consider the note that JBW left on your talk page. Happy editing, C F A 05:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello,

I was the one who moved Nikolay P. Serdev to its current address. I saw your user on my watchlist, and was wondering what role you played, and if you approved of the move. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi 3OpenEyes. I'm not sure what you saw because it doesn't look like I've ever touched Nikolay P. Serdev. I don't think I would've performed the move myself — usually biographies are kept at the name of the person — but if you think it's best I won't object. Happy editing, C F A 05:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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