User talk:Bagumba/Archive 29
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DYK for Casey Tiumalu
On 11 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Casey Tiumalu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that despite being undersized and not highly recruited, Casey Tiumalu became the BYU Cougars' leader in both rushing and receiving, earning an honorable mention as an All-American? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Casey Tiumalu. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Casey Tiumalu), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
protect pages
Hi Bagumba, can you protect James Harden and Ben Simmons? Getting a lot of edits from their reported trade. Natg 19 (talk) 22:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- May as well through in the people from the Derrick White trade. Rikster2 (talk) 23:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- Done.—Bagumba (talk) 00:15, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Protected Harden–Simmons.—Bagumba (talk) 00:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
IP
This one needs a timeout Rikster2 (talk) 02:57, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I saw this hours later, and they had stopped after your initial warning. Looking back again at the IP now, there has been no further edits.—Bagumba (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi Bagumba, I was wondering if you would elaborate a bit on your block of JarvisJones95? My initial reaction is that it comes across as bitey, as the user's only contributions seem to be positive. I obviously don't believe that Jarvis Jones is editing under this account, nor has the user implied this. From my reaction, it looks like a fan (similar to my username). I know if I would have chosen the username "LuisGonzalez20" and gotten blocked immediately, I probably wouldn't have continued editing. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:20, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: I understand your concern, but this is pretty standard username policy, that is unrelated to their editing. JarvisJones95's options could be to change to something like "JarvisJones95fan". Changing their name to a number other than their career jersey number would also be fine e.g. JarvisJones59. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- I would recommend you discuss with good-faith users before you block them. See WP:BEFOREBLOCK, specifically the last paragraph about dealing with good-faith editors. What were you trying to prevent by immediately blocking them? WP:MISLEADNAME is really broad and to use that as the sole justification for a block of a good-faith editor without even one warning seems excessive and punitive. Again, there was no imminent danger to the project. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: The WP:REALNAME policy says:
...the account may sometimes be blocked as a precaution against damaging impersonation, until proof of identity is provided.
If they weren't editing the bio related to their username, I would not have blocked. As a newly registered user, it also was peculiar to have their first edits be to their bio and immediately nominate it for GA, which was immediately failed. It seemed like WPs responsibility to either confirm thw user is this person, or have them otherwise change usernames. I have no objection if you wish to unblock them and follow up on the username concerns directly with them. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)- I have their talk page watched and will unblock if they request it. That said, they seemed to attempt an unblock request and then gave up. I would encourage you to approach these types of user names differently moving forward (i.e. someone with a questionable user name who is editing in good faith). A simple talk page message looking for clarity or pointing them to the rename process will not drive editors away, whereas a block without a warning will definitely be more likely to drive editors away. Just a piece of unsolicited advice. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: Point taken. I generally avoid seeming trigger happy. Re-reading WP:REALNAME from your perspective, I can see that it's not necessarily worded as strongly as I might have assumed. Still, I've generally not seen those editing the same bio working out well, though this case is not as obvious (GA nom aside). I was under the impression this was the norm at WP:UAA, and WP:UAA/I labels the block for "good faith" cases. It had always seemed to me like a benign process since it was a soft block; the user could either create a new acct asap, request a name change, or email with details based on the comprehensive, seemingly standard explanation at {{Uw-ublock-wellknown}}. I might also have become more vigilant with famous names after having not followed up on User:JoshDonaldson20, because their edits seemed in good faith at the time, only to cross paths with their edits later and find out they were later blocked as a sock. Again, appreciate the different angle, and I will try a bit more to take an alternative approach in these cases, when feasible. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Appreciate you looking at it from a different perspective. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: Point taken. I generally avoid seeming trigger happy. Re-reading WP:REALNAME from your perspective, I can see that it's not necessarily worded as strongly as I might have assumed. Still, I've generally not seen those editing the same bio working out well, though this case is not as obvious (GA nom aside). I was under the impression this was the norm at WP:UAA, and WP:UAA/I labels the block for "good faith" cases. It had always seemed to me like a benign process since it was a soft block; the user could either create a new acct asap, request a name change, or email with details based on the comprehensive, seemingly standard explanation at {{Uw-ublock-wellknown}}. I might also have become more vigilant with famous names after having not followed up on User:JoshDonaldson20, because their edits seemed in good faith at the time, only to cross paths with their edits later and find out they were later blocked as a sock. Again, appreciate the different angle, and I will try a bit more to take an alternative approach in these cases, when feasible. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I have their talk page watched and will unblock if they request it. That said, they seemed to attempt an unblock request and then gave up. I would encourage you to approach these types of user names differently moving forward (i.e. someone with a questionable user name who is editing in good faith). A simple talk page message looking for clarity or pointing them to the rename process will not drive editors away, whereas a block without a warning will definitely be more likely to drive editors away. Just a piece of unsolicited advice. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: The WP:REALNAME policy says:
- I would recommend you discuss with good-faith users before you block them. See WP:BEFOREBLOCK, specifically the last paragraph about dealing with good-faith editors. What were you trying to prevent by immediately blocking them? WP:MISLEADNAME is really broad and to use that as the sole justification for a block of a good-faith editor without even one warning seems excessive and punitive. Again, there was no imminent danger to the project. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.
- AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
- The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.
Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Johnny Sanders
On 23 February 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Johnny Sanders, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after turning the San Diego Chargers into a Super Bowl contender, Johnny Sanders sought to bring an Arena Football League team into the city? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Johnny Sanders. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Johnny Sanders), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
IP needs a timeout
This guy. Standard roster data vandalism. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 19:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Same person on Canadian ISP Fibernetics. Range blocked now from editing templates.—Bagumba (talk) 00:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Charley Taylor
On 24 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Charley Taylor, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. TJMSmith (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Avoiding bold
Hey! I saw your revert on 2013 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament. I've seen that guideline (originally thought it was one that I've never seen), but I'm not sure where in the guideline it states to avoid that particular situation. The specific quotes in the section it links to are:
- "If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. Instead, simply describe the subject in normal English, avoiding redundancy."
- "In general, if the article's title (or a significant alternative title) is absent from the first sentence, do not apply the bold style to related text that does appear"
I don't see anywhere in that specific guideline that says to avoid bold to keep the link further up. It may be a different guideline? I'm not sure, do you have any further information? Skarmory (talk • contribs) 09:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Skarmory: Thanks for discussing this. In hindsight, I see that there's little consistency in the various annual NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament pages. In any event, I see these more as descriptive titles than actual formal terms or official titles, which lend themselves better to bolding. Being that there's probably little chance in getting consensus in the college basketball community on a lead sentence format that's consistent with the MOS (my past experience in other yearly sports pages), I'll back off here. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 10:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Russia (disambiguation)
Hi! Can you tell me why you protected version of the page that was vandalised and not prior one that had multiple discussions about before? Korwinski (talk) 13:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Korwinski: Apologies. It wasn't meant to be an endorsement of any particular version. The notice on the page has now been expanded to clarify that point. Thanks for reaching out.—Bagumba (talk) 13:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: Thank you. Can you please specify which noticeboards should I reference now? There're two issues: 1. Talk page doesn't work. Other party ignores discussion, sources, prior requests that they asked me to do etc. So far they did not provide even a single source to confirm their point. And even when they agree that something can be kept, they still don't want to look up the sources I had spent time to look for and they still remove all entries. 2. That kind of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated on Wiki. I wish to make a submission to review these editors behaviour and in case approved, temporary or permanently get them restrained from making edits on Wiki until they get along with its rules. Korwinski (talk) 13:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Korwinski: You can refer to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for guidance.—Bagumba (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: Thank you. Can you please specify which noticeboards should I reference now? There're two issues: 1. Talk page doesn't work. Other party ignores discussion, sources, prior requests that they asked me to do etc. So far they did not provide even a single source to confirm their point. And even when they agree that something can be kept, they still don't want to look up the sources I had spent time to look for and they still remove all entries. 2. That kind of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated on Wiki. I wish to make a submission to review these editors behaviour and in case approved, temporary or permanently get them restrained from making edits on Wiki until they get along with its rules. Korwinski (talk) 13:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Lionel James
On 26 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Lionel James, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 07:10, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Dabs with one or two persons with the name
Hi! I think I didn't get to properly explain the revert of this edit. A year or two ago, MOS:DABNAME was changed so that it now also mentions the option to include people with the name in the usual "People" section. Of course, it doesn't explicitly say "if there are only two persons with the name, then consider including them in the Other uses", but that should go without saying: entries about people aren't subject to radically different rules of organisation than anything else on dab pages. – Uanfala (talk) 23:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Uanfala:
...but that should go without saying...
No worries. I've always took it as gospel, probably lulled by the specific instruction to place it "below the main disambiguation list". I'm not tied to it, but it seemed to be how the MOS was written—to include the header. But yeah, my cutoff was 1 entry, not [enter your cutoff]. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 02:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Baguma, any chance you could do something about User:TheDukeOfOceanus who keeps vandalising the page? Take a look at the page history and you'll see what's been happening over the past year or so. NemesisAT (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @NemesisAT: Blocked for edit warring.—Bagumba (talk) 00:49, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Baguma, thanks for that! FullScale4Me (talk) 19:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Ranking movements
Hi. Do you know how to change the rankings movement template legend so that a dash (—) is equal to not ranked in the weekly poll rather than NR? I noticed today that someone changed some syntax on that template but I don’t know if they are directly connected or not. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 19:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- @GoWarriors151718: There's some recent comments at Template_talk:Ranking_movements#Proposed_changes_to_the_NR_parameter (I only skimmed). Perhaps comment there. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 06:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing that. It looks like my question was already mentioned so now I suppose it is just a matter of time. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 06:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
About disrupting editing about DJ Augustin and DeAndre Jordan
<ref>https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/lakers-signing-veteran-point-guard-d-j-augustin-to-a-deal-bas2121<ref>
Here's the news, deal done, why can't I change the Wiki? -by 籃球愛好者(talk) 2022/3/2 17:30
- @籃球愛好者: Your original edits did not cite a source. Regarding the above link, it reads:
The Athletic's Shams Charania reported today that the Lakers are signing a new name.
That's WP:RSBREAKING news, first of all—an unreliable report which doesn't cite Shams' source. Moreover, "are signing" does not mean "done" i.e. past tense.—Bagumba (talk) 17:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).
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- A RfC is open to change the wording of revision deletion criterion 1 to remove the sentence relating to non-infringing contributions.
- A RfC is open to discuss prohibiting draftification of articles over 90 days old.
- The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project. (T296645)
- Special:Nuke will now allow the selection of standard deletion reasons to be used when mass-deleting pages. This was a Community Wishlist Survey request from 2022. (T25020)
- The ability to undelete the talk page when undeleting a page using Special:Undelete or the API will be added soon. This change was requested in the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey. (T295389)
- Several unused discretionary sanctions and article probation remedies have been rescinded. This follows the community feedback from the 2021 Discretionary Sanctions review.
- The 2022 appointees for the Ombuds commission are Érico, Faendalimas, Galahad, Infinite0694, Mykola7, Olugold, Udehb and Zabe as regular members and Ameisenigel and JJMC89 as advisory members.
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Thanks for the attempt...
Just wanted to say thanks for attempting to try and solve my question. I won't try and implement it cause there is someone who keeps reverting whatever I add even if it is not controversial or it is a fact. I look forwards to working with you in the future on UCLA pages. I am through with the baseball stuff cause this person is frustrating and unwilling to at least meet me halfway on this topic. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- @GoWarriors151718:: We're all volunteers here, so you're free to choose your battles (if any). The discussion is on the project page, so others might chime in. It's not necessarily a dead end if you don't agree with one person. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 08:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- You're right. Someone else could chime in. I just don't think that this guy/girl would let me change a thing without throwing a fit because it seems like this person is h***bent on keeping all the MLB pages uniform which I understand but in the same breath I know that it's an impossible feat (I tried). Anyway, I know you have a history with UCLA so what do you think of the guys team this season? GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's hard to tell if last year's team overachieved or this year's is underachieving. Not much improvement on offense, but Jaquez been hurt too.—Bagumba (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- You're right. Someone else could chime in. I just don't think that this guy/girl would let me change a thing without throwing a fit because it seems like this person is h***bent on keeping all the MLB pages uniform which I understand but in the same breath I know that it's an impossible feat (I tried). Anyway, I know you have a history with UCLA so what do you think of the guys team this season? GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah. I tend to agree with you. There have been moments this season like beating Villanova that showed that we were a great team building on the momentum from last year and then there were some that made people think that last year was an anomaly. This weekend’s game is going to tell a lot. And I have another question for you. How much do you know about the ucla mens volleyball program? I started a general page for ucla mens volleyball and I was wondering if you could assist with it. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 03:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm pretty much only on their football and men's basketball. Good luck.—Bagumba (talk) 04:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
That’s alright. Thanks anyway. Hopefully we will get a much needed win tomorrow. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 04:31, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
That was a great weekend for our basketball team. Hopefully we will make a long run in the postseason now. I appreciate your help throughout this year. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Seeing user’s AfD votes/record
There is a tool where you can look up a person’s voting record at AfD discussions - do you know where that is? Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 23:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) You're looking for https://afdstats.toolforge.org/. Schazjmd (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
User:Mandomanny313
If you look at the edits by User:Mandomanny313, they are primarily deletions. Usually of text that is supported by proper RS refs. Usually without any explanation. Over many pages. I think this is highly disruptive. And too much for me as a non-admin to address, though I have tried politely communicating with the editor. Help? I see that you have run into the same with him (and he has simply reverted you). --2603:7000:2143:8500:1C9A:BB7F:A5F9:95DA (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for commenting on their talk page. I have just undid another edit of theirs that removed sourced analysis without an explanation. I think this can be brought up at WT:NBA if this continues.02:03, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Fundamental change?
Re: this edit and this one: why do you interpret my edits, which you reverted, as a "fundamental change"? The requirements of NORG apply to sports organizations - not the GNG - regardless of what the text of NSPORTS says. The same is true of NBASIC for biographies; the differences from the GNG are small (and only marginally restrictive), but it is NBASIC and not the GNG that applies to biographies per WP:CONLEVEL, regardless of the text of NSPORT. So what is "fundamental" about fixing a long-standing error? It reduces confusion, without making it any easier e.g. to defend undersourced articles, and it doesn't change the status of the sport-specific criteria at all. I am perplexed. Newimpartial (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Newimpartial: I saw the change from the general guideline, GNG, to an SNG, NBASIC, as big enough to want a talk page discussion to explicitly establish a consensus. Especially with all the recent discussions on SNGs' weight relative to GNG, I'm wary of having NSPORTS itself seemingly dependent on another SNG.—Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- But this isn't a matter of
seeming
dependence. NBASIC covers biographies. It doesn't matter what NSPORTS says - ANYBIO has to meet NBASIC or one of the other BIO SNGs that are independent of NBASIC, and BIOs that fail can't fall back on the GNG any more than ORGs can. And there isn't really much daylight between NBASIC and the GNG anyway: they both require multiple sources offering significant coverage. So I completely fail to see any "fundamental change" there - it sounds hyperbolic, to be honest. Newimpartial (talk) 04:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)- @Newimpartial: Feel free to establish consensus for your proposed change at WT:NSPORTS. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 04:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- But this isn't a matter of
Looks like this was closed with all “one game” elements removed (proposal 3). I pretty strongly disagree a consensus was actually reached, and also think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the “one game threshold” signifies (it’s not the act of stepping in the field/court, it’s that for top leagues a total career is assumed if they make it to that level). I expect there will be a big push at AfD from some of the principals from that discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 12:32, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- The writing was on the wall when admins started supervoting closes. Pretty much the backlash from a few f-ed up sports did in the whole guideline.—Bagumba (talk) 14:27, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Would you be able to help format the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 43#NHOOPS so that it can facilitate getting to a consensus on criteria? Right now it is a mish mash and I am not good at structuring these discussions. Rikster2 (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- I can take a look in a few days maybe.—Bagumba (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK. I tried to help narrow it down. I'm not an independent moderator, so feel free to steer it in a different direction at any time.—Bagumba (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Would you be able to help format the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 43#NHOOPS so that it can facilitate getting to a consensus on criteria? Right now it is a mish mash and I am not good at structuring these discussions. Rikster2 (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
user Mandomanny313
Hello, I will keep it short as I see you have already run into this problem.
User Mandomanny313 is not stopping with the persistent deletions, despite several warnings (many quite frequent to each other).
I suggest at first a week or a month of being blocked from edits.
Thank you!— Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSplashman77 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @MrSplashman77: It looks like you were referring to Kris Dunn, but it now seems resolved. Both of you were edit warring there, but it also seemed like a case of using WP:RSBREAKING sources prematurely i.e. WP:SPORTSTRANS. Regarding their general edits removing content, it might be better to discuss that at WT:NBA, getting others' opinions, before resorting to WP:AN for a block. I wouldn't block myself for this, per WP:INVOLVED. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Free images
If Getty Images isn't able to be used, where the heck do I find NBA photos I can use? Most of the stuff is from Getty Images anyways though Mandomanny313 (talk) 03:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Mandomanny313: There's some guidance at WP:NBAIMAGE.—Bagumba (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for John Clayton (sportswriter)
On 22 March 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Clayton (sportswriter), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Any chance we could get Jennifer Bates (labor organizer) moved to Jennifer Bates?
Looks like two years ago you made Jennifer Bates as a redirect pointing to Jennifer Bate. Which was OK, because we didn't have any Jennifer Bates articles at the time. But now we do, Jennifer Bates (labor organizer). Would it be OK with you if that last article were de-parentheticaled and took the place of the redirect? We can put a nice
redirect at the top so people mistyping will be able to get to the right place anyway.
If you're OK with it, would you do the move? See, you're an admin, and I don't know if those of us without a mop can move an article over a redirect like that. Some years ago it definitely wasn't possible without a mop, though it may be now. --GRuban (talk) 19:09, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- @GRuban: Done. Indeed, the misspelling should not be the primary topic.—Bagumba (talk) 01:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Kyrie Irving
In removing my statement on Kyrie Irving’s page about him being regarded as one of the best ball-handlers in NBA history, you stated that it is not typically in the lead. However, on Jamal Crawford’s page, a similar statement is literally in the second sentence of the lead paragraph. I feel that it was unnecessary to remove it entirely, it can still be utilized on the page. AfroWorld33 (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- @AfroWorld33: Thanks for discussing this. The guideline MOS:LEADREL advises that:
That type of detail can be in a "Player profile" section in the body. The sources you cited didn't seem to be reliable either. As for the Crawford article, it's an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS case. It'd be more compelling if it was an example from a feature artice (or even a good article). Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 17:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article...
Ed Book height
Hey. Do you have any advice on what I should do next regarding the Ed Book height dispute I have with User:Westburn World. I took it to WT:Basketball, which had no traction, and sought clarity on their talk page, to which they did not address my concerns. I fear if I revert again, they will also revert again and I don't want to get blocked for a stupid edit war. I would need someone to back me up regarding the addition of unsourced content. Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DaHuzyBru (talk • contribs) 14:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:BURDEN, the editor who restores challenged material must cite a reliable source. You did the right thing by starting a discussion at the WikiProject. In the future, you can also refer to WP:STICKTOSOURCE, which suggests adding a {{Cn}} tag in this case; it's another way to try to draw attention for others' opinions. I'll leave a comment at that WT:BASKETBALL thread.—Bagumba (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for this and the note at WT:BASKETBALL. I appreciate it. DaHuzyBru (talk) 01:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Either block IP or protect a page?
131.204.254.86 keeps vandalizing List of NCAA Division I men's basketball season blocks leaders, claiming that it's "total" blocks in a season that should be listed. Obviously that's not the case. Can you please either block that IP - listed to Auburn University and has a history of vandalism anyway - or semi-protect the article itself? SportsGuy789 (talk) 14:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- @SportsGuy789: It seems like a conntent dispute at this point. Follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, which I see you have already by initiating discussion on their talk page. At his point, I'll assume it's resolved. Otherwise, edit warring would be the real issue if there are any more reverts withut consensus. FWIW, the lead of List of NCAA Division I men's basketball season blocks leaders might be a bit confusing discussing Robinson's single-season and Varnado's career record for total blocks, not average. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- I edited the lead to clarify confusion. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
New Wikipedia page
I have an idea for a new Wikipedia page. The topic for this new page is: Jaylen Clark. I think he qualifies as a "notable" sports figure. Anyway, I am going to start a draft here. If you agree with me, then please join me in creating this draft/page. Thanks and Go Bruins! GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- @GoWarriors151718 Jules Bernard is already kind of borderline. I don't think Clark has enough yet, but I'm a bit strict when it comes to reliable sources e.g. I don't use SBNation, FanNation, etc., which I generally consider too "fan bloggy".—Bagumba (talk) 08:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Alright. Fair enough. Thanks for the help anyway. If there comes a time in the future where he is "notable", I have a draft for his page and you and I can work on it. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have an idea from a different sport that I feel could work...Charisma Osborne (Guard on the women's team). What do you think? GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- @GoWarriors151718 (I'm not sure if you have my talk watchlisted or you'd just prefer me to ping you everytime) I did Natalie Chou, but otherwise generally just follow football and men's bb. Good luck.—Bagumba (talk) 08:51, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- For the record, pinging me every time works. And two, I am going to go through and create the page soon. I think that she has the accolades to warrant a page. Thanks for the luck. I appreciate it. Going back to the Clark topic for a second, when the time is right for him to get a page, I hope that we can use the draft that I have created. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 09:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- @GoWarriors151718 (I'm not sure if you have my talk watchlisted or you'd just prefer me to ping you everytime) I did Natalie Chou, but otherwise generally just follow football and men's bb. Good luck.—Bagumba (talk) 08:51, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have an idea from a different sport that I feel could work...Charisma Osborne (Guard on the women's team). What do you think? GoWarriors151718 (talk) 08:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for 2022 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game
On 5 April 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2022 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 04:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Josh Rosen
Hello Bagumba.
I wanted to ask a question regarding your revert of my edit. I agree that freshman awards should be considered less notable than the first & second-team conference awards, but I'm not sure how to handle it in reference to the WP:NFLINFOBOX page. If I were to start ordering them the same way that Josh Rosen's accomplishments are listed, how should I reference the rational behind those changes in my edit summary? I ask not to question you, as in any instance of dispute I would always defer to you, but I like to be consistent in these changes that I make. 14:10, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Hey man im josh (talk)
- @Hey man im josh: Apologies if I missed something at NFLINFOBOX, but I didnt think this was specifically addressed there. In my mind, national honors are generally listed before conference. I then would place any freshman-only awards at the bottom of everything, again with natl frosh awards before conf frosh. See Lonzo Ball for a similar example in basketball.—Bagumba (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I guess I thought of those freshman accomplishments as part of the "College awards" instead of "College career honors". Your interpretation makes the most sense and I think is a better way to organize the infobox. Do you think I would need to start a discussion in the NFL WikiProject if I wanted to update that page to make it more clear or should this be something that I can just go ahead and do? Or should I leave the page ambiguous? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: Depends how you personally feel about WP:BEBOLD. There's really no right or wrong as long as you don't end up in an edit war. If you just jump to it, maybe all your edits get reverted later. If you discuss a great idea, perhaps nobody strongly agrees nor disagrees, and it gets stuck, but nobody would have said anything if you had just boldly did it without discussion. Personally, I usually try to get consensus at WP:NBA and track items at WP:NBASTYLE with links to past discussions. YMMV. In the past, I never felt WP:NFL was too community-based and had more drive-by editors, so I was less involved there. Maybe it was just me, or there's a newer crowd now.—Bagumba (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I guess I thought of those freshman accomplishments as part of the "College awards" instead of "College career honors". Your interpretation makes the most sense and I think is a better way to organize the infobox. Do you think I would need to start a discussion in the NFL WikiProject if I wanted to update that page to make it more clear or should this be something that I can just go ahead and do? Or should I leave the page ambiguous? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Editor using multiple accounts
Not sure if you're aware of this, but I discovered a second account of an editor that you're quite familiar with. The editor in question is GoWarriors151718, and their second account is GoBruins0708. Obviously, when you compare the two names, they are very similar. I also went and entered the two accounts into the Editor Interaction Analyser, and it shows that they have interacted with 9 different pages. In addition, in an edit summary of a talk page message while using their main account, they wrote, "Logged into the wrong account
". So, it's pretty clear that it's the same editor using different accounts. I discovered this when I received a talk page message from GoBruins0708, clearly trying to be a completely different person, but I was easily able to figure out that they are associated with GoWarriors151718. Yowashi (talk) 16:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
I know it looks bad but I am a relative of GoBruins0708. I made some mistakes and I am sorry for my actions. If you want to block me, then go ahead. I didn’t think that his actions would put me in hot water. Perhaps a block or something on us both would be appropriate to allow us to understand this. I am sorry for the chaos that ensued from both of our actions. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 16:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @GoWarriors151718 @GoBruins0708 Wikipedia has a policy on using multiple accounts. Please read it over and explain further how these two accounts are related. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – April 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).
- An RfC is open proposing a change to the minimum activity requirements for administrators.
- Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the
deletelogentry
anddeletedhistory
rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928) - When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. (T284114)
- Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures § Opening of proceedings has been updated to reflect current practice following a motion.
- A arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has been closed.
- A arbitration case regarding WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has been opened.
- Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines has closed, and the results were that 56.98% of voters supported the guidelines. The results of this vote mean the Wikimedia Foundation Board will now review the guidelines.
Vandalism Report
I'd like to report some vandals on this website: Binksternet, ILIL, FlightTime, Ojorojo, and MrOllie. They keep making unauthorized edits to music templates (mostly removing genres). Could you tell them to stop? If they don't listen to you, could you block them? 128.92.166.70 (talk) 17:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi there. Everybody is generally free to edit Wikipedia, so it's unclear what you mean by "unauthorized". Also, please be aware that though you disagree with an edit, it might not be vandalism, in which case Wikipedia:Dispute resolution might be applicable. If you are still certain it is vandalism, you can post to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 00:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for John Drew (basketball)
On 15 April 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Drew (basketball), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 00:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
New administrator activity requirement
The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.
Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:
- Made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least a 12-month period OR
- Made fewer than 100 edits over a 60-month period
Administrators at risk for being desysopped under these criteria will continue to be notified ahead of time. Thank you for your continued work.
22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For your significant contributions over the years....Keep it rolling! Volten001 ☎ 01:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC) |
Mark Eaton’s page
Hello Bagumba. I am Mark Eaton’s wife Teri. That is my source. Please do add in the content I corrected as the other information was incorrect. TravelingTeri (talk) 01:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TravelingTeri I am sorry about your loss.
- One of Wikipedia's policies is verifiability, based on published, reliable sources. A limitation is that even if something is true, it might not be added to the site if published, reliable sources cannot be cited. While it makes it difficult in your case, it's a safeguard against some other anonymous, random "experts" on the Internet. In the article, you are distinguished now from the first wife, as it seems straightforward based on the name difference in reliable sources. However, I could not find other reliably published information. Feel free to identify relevant reliable sources. You should also refer to the related guideline at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § Writing about yourself, family, friends. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 01:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your condolences. We can use the obituary, which is cited on the page already, as a reliable source for me being Mark’s wife. Thank you. TravelingTeri (talk) 01:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TravelingTeri Other sources had mentioned your name, so that was enough to distinguish you from his earlier marriage. Generally, Wikipedia tries not to rely too much on personal obituaries, generally preferring those from secondary sources. There weren't reliable sources on the specifics of his divorce, so I didn't mention anything explicitly. You can see the cumulative changes since your edits here. Feel free to offer other suggestions for improvement at the article talk page, Talk:Mark Eaton (or alternatively here). Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Guy Lafleur recent death nomination
Hello. Editors have been working on this article, and I just finished addressing the final "citation needed" tags. If you have a chance to take another look at the article and respond at ITN/C if your concerns have been addressed, it would be appreciated. Thank you. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I commented over there.—Bagumba (talk) 06:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Cat rename
Hey. Can you please rename Category:Taranaki Airs to Category:Taranaki Airs players. I missed "players" when creating. Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Erich Barnes
On 5 May 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Erich Barnes, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – May 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).
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- Following an RfC, a change has been made to the administrators inactivity policy. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
- Following a discussion on the bureaucrat's noticeboard, a change has been made to the bureaucrats inactivity policy.
- The ability to undelete the associated talk page when undeleting a page has been added. This was the 11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.
- A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.
- Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.
DYK for NBA Comeback Player of the Year Award
On 9 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article NBA Comeback Player of the Year Award, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the NBA Comeback Player of the Year Award was canceled, reportedly because of drugs? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/NBA Comeback Player of the Year Award. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, NBA Comeback Player of the Year Award), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Hook update | ||
Your hook reached 11,222 views (467.6 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of May 2022 – nice work! |
theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Pascal Siakam Image
Pascal Siakam has had the same Image sense the 2017-2018 season his 2nd year in the league Is it time for a new image
possible images that can be used starting the 2022-2023 season Year 7
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dtstuff9/48147912847/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/48605023@N00/48156018642/
Author Christian Bonin social media — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnLUcas05 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @JohnLUcas05: Hi there. Images on Wikipedia will generally need to be freely licensed. Refer to WP:NBAIMAGE. I also posted some pointers on your talk page. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 00:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- A lot of Players images are usually from Ficklr tho or does that mean the person who posted them on their has to post on Wiki . JohnLUcas05 (talk) 04:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @JohnLUcas05:Not everything on Flickr is freely-licensed. m:Free image resources has some guidance. Alternatively, try Wikipedia:Files for upload, where others can walk you through the process. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 04:39, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- A lot of Players images are usually from Ficklr tho or does that mean the person who posted them on their has to post on Wiki . JohnLUcas05 (talk) 04:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Gino Cappelletti
On 14 May 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Gino Cappelletti, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
2022 New York Yankees season
Howdy. I fear the mobile editor just keeps changing his mobile & continues to vandalise the 2022 New York Yankees season article :( GoodDay (talk) 01:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @GoodDay It's a range that I blocked: 2601:CD:C581:4040:0:0:0:0/64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) With these types of addresses, it's actually not the user that is changing the address, it's the service provider. In this case though, the first 4 sets of numbers in the addr remain the same. —Bagumba (talk) 02:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, hopefully we won't be seeing anymore of the fellow, who appears to be bored. GoodDay (talk) 02:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @GoodDay Well, no guarantees. It's the internet. But we usually try to block users, when possible, instead of protecting pages. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 02:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, hopefully we won't be seeing anymore of the fellow, who appears to be bored. GoodDay (talk) 02:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Billups redirect
Hey. Do you think this redirect change was justified at Billups? DaHuzyBru (talk) 03:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- You can just revert the move if you disagree, per WP:RMUM, since it was undiscussed. It's not the Einstein example at WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, but it's not explicitly clear how low the bar is there. —Bagumba (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- I guess it was just a WP:CUTPASTE and not a page move. Someone else has reverted already. —Bagumba (talk) 03:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. Only following up now because "most commonly refers to" has been re-introduced despite it not being there before or after that user's contributions in April 2019, including your restore. I'm not too fussed, just wanted your thoughts if you think their reasoning is sound? Should it just be a list of does Chauncey get highlighted at the top? DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, I must of randomly run across that before. Was not on my watchlist. That format doesn't really follow MOS:DAB, and seems awfully MOS:DABPRIMARY-like without having an actual redirect to a primary topic. Since you already pointed out my prior edit, perhaps they'd get the hint if a different person pushed back there. I'll shove it on my short-term watch.—Bagumba (talk) 08:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. Only following up now because "most commonly refers to" has been re-introduced despite it not being there before or after that user's contributions in April 2019, including your restore. I'm not too fussed, just wanted your thoughts if you think their reasoning is sound? Should it just be a list of does Chauncey get highlighted at the top? DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
KD
Please read the news. KD is the mvp of Tokyo Olympics. Please don’t remove anything you don’t know. It is very foolish. Dreamkd (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Dreamkd: Hi there. You seem to have missed or misread the edit summary on my edit:
WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS: no consensus to list it
—Bagumba (talk) 03:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)- It is ridiculous. You can put FIBA World Cup MVP here and not Olympics MVP? Are you serious. You and the wikipedia are jokes. Dreamkd (talk) 03:31, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Apologies
I reverted to the wrong edit on Kevin Durant. Feel free to trout me! CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 03:39, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @CollectiveSolidarity: No worries, cleanup is a thankless task. —Bagumba (talk) 03:41, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Hazel Henderson RD
I nominated Hazel Henderson for RD. The article appeared ready to post before the nomination was archived. User:PFHLai said to ask someone to take a look at the article as a review before it could be posted. Could you take a look to see if everything is in the clear? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 02:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley Thanks for improving the sourcing; however, I don't have the bandwidth to vet them out (my own personal requirement). At a quick glance, there's sometimes community resistance to posting pages like this that appear a bit WP:PROSELINEish/resume-like. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)