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Seattle Kraken and previous user trouble

Thanks to you...I have started to stand my ground against the user that was frustrated with me earlier this month. I think hearing from you that it was not right for them to get mad at me and bully me was really helpful. Today for the first time I edited the Seattle Kraken game log and he/she did not get mad at me after the fact. If they get mad at me in the future over something, is it okay if I ping you in the conversations? I have a second question for you. I know this sounds silly but what looks better when you look at a team record on a game log one with a space in between the home record and the ; (see October) or like this (see October). Thanks. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 06:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoWarriors151718: I think you are referring to User_talk:Bagumba/Archive_27#One_last_thing. I don't recall the details of their interaction with you, but my advice is generally for parties to assume good faith and attempt to work things out directly among themselves. Follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. As for the Kraken, I do not generally edit NHL pages. Are there are existing conventions there in this area? I do see that your edit was reverted with an edit summary of "Why?". Good edit summaries help to avoid those questions, though there still might be disagreement. It's always good practice to explain what you are doing. At this point, if you still feel strongly about it, you can explain your rationale and see if you can reach an agreement. You could also choose to pose the question at the WP:NHL for a wider audience, with a courtesy notification to that user. If you are asking my involvement in an admin capacity, I generally try to avoid WP:CONTENTDISPUTEs, save for helping gauge consensus. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 09:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I have commented on this matter on a previous discussion over at my talk page. I sent a notification within my response, but I haven't gotten a response from the editor at this time. Yowashi (talk) 03:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Yowashi:, @Bagumba: It was my mistake about the whole whitespace stuff. That was not the smartest of decisions on my part and I won't fiddle with that again. As far as the disputes go, the reason that I haven't been responding a whole lot is cause I am scared that if I do that my response will some how manage to get people more frustrated with me than they already are. I also felt like it was necessary to bring an admin in because I feel like this matter needed a third party. And Bagumba is someone that I feel like I can trust. I realized that I have made my share of mistakes on this site in the past. I am trying very hard to learn from all of them. I will be more than willing to forgive and move on from this if everyone else involved is willing to forgive me for the mistakes that I made in the last few months. Last point, I did not see any notifications from Yowashi and so I did not know there was something waiting for me to respond to. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoWarriors151718: Generally, editors should not feel scared on Wikipedia. We follow WP:BRD. If someone disagrees with our edit, they are within their rights to revert it. It's expected that there still might be discussion afterward. If you're not edit warring and know when to WP:DROPTHESTICK, there should generally not be a reason to be "scared".—Bagumba (talk) 07:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I think my fears in all this have to do mainly with Yowashi seeming to have these unresolved feelings of frustration/anger towards me and my extraneous edits problem that I had a few months ago. And there will be fear I feel if I were to deal with them one on one. I just feel like I may accidentally write the wrong thing in trying to resolve this matter and that I may make this situation worse than it already is. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 07:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoWarriors151718 and Yowashi: I don't mind mediating if you two want me involved. For the record, I don't see anything serious so far, and I'd like to think it's, at worst, a misunderstanding. It's fine if you want to

  1. Ignore my offer
  2. Take it offline among yourselves

If you want my help and you have suggestion for improvement for the other, please provide examples with diffs and an explantion of your concern. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

This next post's main purpose is to put these things on the record. Instance #1 Sockpuppetry claim. I understand his logic behind this but it definitely left a negative taste in my mouth that I should steer clear of them. Instance #2 Edit amounts. I understand that I made a lot of unnecessary edits back during the end of the last NHL season (2020-21) on the Sharks season page but that was around the same time that I was still new and was still learning about how to be a true Wikipedia editor. I learned through experiences on how to get better and I improved. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 07:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoWarriors151718: Yowashi seems to have subsequently proposed a resolution to you on their talk page.—Bagumba (talk) 02:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Okay. I will take a look at it soon. Sorry for not responding sooner. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 22:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Check this out.

I left a message at WT:NBA#Potential change in multiple image template below coaches images at National Basketball Association Christmas games. Pls respond to it. TheRafaMarc15 (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I see the accident was due to air traffic not due to any internal failure if machine and any disorder of people such a disgrace happen to big hero

Rest in peace thats the only word we can say now 2402:3A80:162D:D7F9:C82:644D:4809:DB37 (talk) 05:57, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, it's not clear to what this is in reference to.—Bagumba (talk) 10:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

User User:NEWO. Football

Could I trouble you to glance at NFL Sanity check ? I'm really hoping for a set of saner eyes on his changes than mine. Thanks, Tarl N. (discuss) 03:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, it looks like Peejay took care of it. But this account should be blocked as a vandalism-only account. Tarl N. (discuss) 03:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
@Tarl N.: Blocked.—Bagumba (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

New Wikipedia page assistance

@Socalphoto: I was thinking while I was inputing the data from today's UCLA football game that another person on the team that I feel like deserves a page is Kyle Philips (WR). So I am going to start one and I am going to input as much data as I can find and I was hoping that you two can help me add information. Thanks. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 09:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

re: the ip who tried to correct your anthony davis "mishap"

I bursted out laughing at that—you really gotta admire how confident that IP was in being completely and totally wrong. Like they left a silhouette of themselves when they ran a whole through the wall. Typical casuals. I'm sorry, that just absolutely slew me. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for NBA anniversary teams

On 20 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article NBA anniversary teams, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that only four NBA players have been named to all four of the league's anniversary teams? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/NBA anniversary teams. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, NBA anniversary teams), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for NBA 75th Anniversary Team

On 23 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article NBA 75th Anniversary Team, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the NBA 75 includes the only league MVP who was not among the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/NBA 75th Anniversary Team. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, NBA 75th Anniversary Team), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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T-Mobile Arena

What do you think? Should the city be Paradise, NV (the city with “jurisdiction” over the arena or Las Vegas, NV (the arena street address city)? I personally think that it should be Las Vegas just cause the street address is the most important fact of a arena. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoWarriors151718: Over recent years, some editors made mass changes to use the more obscure Paradise. I don't know the technicalities of unincorporated towns, but it's prominent mention on WP, at a glance, seems to go against WP:ASTONISH. Given the wide usage of Paradise and I'd imagine support from more than one user, you'll probably end up needing an WP:RFC to establish a new consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 15:56, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

NBA Rookie of the Month Awards in 2021

Hello, I just wanted to ask for assistance in this article: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Month_Award#2001%E2%80%93present

I was trying to add the new Rookie of the Month Awards for November 2021, but I could not seem to get the format correct with regard to the season showing first before the month in the table. I followed the same coding format as the previous seasons but it still shows up wrong. Could I ask for your kind assistance on this?

Thank you.Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 08:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nintendoswitchfan: Fixed here. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 16:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much.Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).

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Advice?

Hello Bagumba! I'm sorry to bother you on your talk page... I just wanted to get your advice on a user that we've both interacted with. He seems to be reverting several edits on articles and nothing them as vandalism, when they clearly are just bold edits. He left me a message on my talk page, and I have the interaction here [1]. I wanted to come to you because you've brought WP:NOTVAND to his attention in the past, [2] and I wanted to turn to an experienced user/admin for some help, just making sure I didn't say/type anything through the interaction in poor faith. The other user seems to have a COI as it relates to University of Louisiana at Lafayette, but notwithstanding, I just want to make sure he doesn't continue marking bold edits as vandalism. I would appreciate any help or guidance to make sure I'm not overstepping or not being civil. Thank you for your help! Spf121188 (talk) 19:40, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spf121188: It seems my intereaction with them was years ago, and I don't otherwise know much about this user, nor remember much of the context of how I became aware of them earlier. I think specific diffs of the other edits would be needed for me to comment further. If your's was the second warning after mine, one could WP:AGF that they now understand the issue. If you think otherwise, you could consider getting input at WP:AN, providing the relevant diffs, if you believe you've reached an impasse in dealing with them one-on-one and think this warrants escalation. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 09:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Moka Mo and unsourced content

I see that you have previously blocked Moka Mo twice for the addition of unsourced content. The editor continues to add unsourced content and ignored multiple warnings on its talk page. Where should I report the editor's continued problematic behavior? – Sabbatino (talk) 18:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Blocked for 2 wks.—Bagumba (talk) 02:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

IP needs a timeout

User:73.126.195.18 Continuing height/weight vandalism. Example here Rikster2 (talk) 23:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Done.—Bagumba (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Here is another one. Rikster2 (talk) 18:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Done too.—Bagumba (talk) 22:53, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Speedy Duncan

On 16 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Speedy Duncan, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. TJMSmith (talk) 02:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Duncan

Misclick on a smartphone, my apologies. Pachu Kannan (talk) 08:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Cal Basketball 2021-22 page

I was wondering if you could please help me out so that I can remove the additional citations alert on the top of the 2021-22 California Golden Bears men's basketball team page. Basically what in that article needs sourcing? And going back to that Las Vegas/Paradise thing that I brought up a few weeks ago...Thanks for your input. As you probably guessed, I just let it be. Sorry for the late acknowledgment of your response. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 23:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@GoWarriors151718: For the Cal page, the tag generally is applied when there are concerns regarding the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Do you have questions on the policy itself, or do you believe that the tag is not relevant to the page? If you still have doubts, you could find out when the tag was applied. Perhaps it was relevant at the time it was added (here), but it is no longer the case. If you are still unsure, you could also discuss with the editor who added it. Let me know if you have further questions.—Bagumba (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
After reading your comments, I think my question is with the relevancy of the tag. After looking at the article again, perhaps it was just a time thing meaning it was relevant at one point but not now. I don't want to remove the tag now just for someone else to come in and put it right back in the same place. So I guess that I was asking you if removing the tag will be a good move on my part. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 23:33, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @GoWarriors151718: WP:V reads: All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material. Perhaps you believe something like WP:SKYISBLUE is applicable here? Otherwise, it's a gray area. See Help:Maintenance template removal for more guidance.—Bagumba (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
After thinking about it for a little bit, I am going to take the tag off (thanks to you and WP:BOLD). Thanks again for your advice. I feel like you have given me lots of helpful tips throughout these last few years. I appreciate it. GoWarriors151718 (talk) 23:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

User Epipelagic in Template:Rivers, streams and springs

Please, take advice about the user here, is showing an wrong editorial behavior in that template and refuses to dialog. Thanks. --Jalapestra (talk) 07:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jalapestra: Sorry to see the disagreement. At this point, I'd suggest following Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, and avoid edit warring. I know you did try discussing on their talk page already. Perhaps the common ground is to follow their suggestion and start a discussion at Template talk:Rivers, streams and springs. Consider also the guidance at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution § Resolving content disputes with outside help. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 07:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Kimera Bartee

On 23 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Kimera Bartee, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Songs of the season

Holiday cheer
Here is a snowman a gift a boar's head and something blue for your listening pleasure. Enjoy and have a wonderful 2022 B. MarnetteD|Talk 13:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

BdotAdot redirect to Brandon Armstrong

There is a redirect of BdotAdot to Brandon Armstrong. The problem is, that Brandon Armstrong (born 1980) is not the right person and is therefore misleading. BdotAdot (who you have probably heard about [3] [4]) is actually Brandon Armstrong (born 1990) [5] [6]. Is there grounds for deleting that redirect page? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Not immediately familiar with this. Consider correcting the redirect, otherwise see WP:RFD#DELETE. Happy New Year.—Bagumba (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

NBA Rivalries

Hello Bagumba,

I simply wanted to list some of the rivalries that may exist, even in small capacities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.82.51.127 (talk) 21:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries. You probably weren't aware that the list follows the WP:CSC guideline of only listing notable rivalries with their own standalone page.—Bagumba (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bruce Davis (offensive tackle)

On 31 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Bruce Davis (offensive tackle), which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 23:10, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Merchandise giveaway nomination

A t-shirt!
A token of thanks
Hi Bagumba! I've nominated you (along with all other active admins) to receive a solstice season gift from the WMF. Talk page stalkers are invited to comment at the nomination. Enjoy! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk ~~~~~
A snowflake!

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Recent message

The transaction you said I prematurely edited for was confirmed by ESPN, WOJ, and Bleacher Report before I edited Rajon Rondo's page. I appreciate the concern but it was misplaced as reliable sources confirmed the transaction and I edited accordingly All the usernames have been taken by now (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@All the usernames have been taken by now: Feel free to provide a link to a specific source. For example, this ESPN source says "Cleveland Cavaliers acquiring Rajon Rondo ...", which is not in the past tense, meaning it is an ongoing process and not completed yet. Moreover, it says "... sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Friday", but WP:RSBREAKING says not to rely on anonymous sources for breaking news. It is not identified who provided Wojnarowski the information. You can read WP:SPORTSTRANS for more details. Happy New Year.—Bagumba (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Steve Nash page lie, lay and laid

Sorry for my mistake, I was too fast and didn't check. But it's still wrong, because now it should read "would lie on his back" instead of "would lay on his back". Could I bother you for another edit? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:8048:1D00:F15F:AA85:F109:9FB3 (talk) 03:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2022

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IP needs a timeout

Height/weight/position hijinks. 14:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Blked 1 mo.—Bagumba (talk) 16:54, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sam Jones (basketball, born 1933)

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Protect Template:Los Angeles Clippers roster?

Another user (IP) just coming with the one way to handle COVID protocols. Thx Rikster2 (talk) 14:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Since I stated an opinion at WT:NBA, I'm WP:INVOLVED, so won't protect directly based on the specific issue. At any rate, should direct that the user to the discussion, but they're an IPv6 address that keeps changing, so I left one at the tenplate's talk page. You can request protection later at WP:RPP, if it is still needed.—Bagumba (talk) 16:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
@Rikster2: FYI: Filed Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#2600:6C51:4A7F:E9EE:0:0:0:0/64_reported_by_User:Bagumba_(Result:_).—Bagumba (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Can we protect it now. IP back at it. If this person refuses to engage in the consensus process seems pretty clear cut and not sure why this couldn’t happen, especially since they have been blocked once for the same behavior. Rikster2 (talk) 13:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I reblocked the old IPv6 and the new IP, same editor.—Bagumba (talk) 00:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Bruce Davis (offensive tackle)

On 14 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bruce Davis (offensive tackle), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Bruce Davis and his son, who both played for UCLA in college and professionally for the Raiders, are one of the few father–son duos to have played on teams that reached the Super Bowl? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bruce Davis (offensive tackle). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bruce Davis (offensive tackle)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Chuck Nevitt

Regarding Chuck Nevitt, according to his stats he only played 9 seasons in the NBA during his 12-year pro career. He was resigned by the Rockets before the 1983-84 season and according to Basketball-Reference was waived on November 29, 1983, after not playing any games about 14 games into the season. Not sure if that season should count, unless he was actually an unused substitue in some of those games, then we could say he spent 10 seasons in the NBA. He then did split the 1985-86 season with the Lakers and Pistons. Alvaldi (talk) 08:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Alvaldi: You're right. I fixed it. I probably counted 1985–86 twice from stats tables because he played for two teams that year. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 09:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

hatnote

Hi Bagumba, thanks for helping with the Siti articles. I just wanted to ask you about the removal of the hatnote ([7]). I put it there to signpost to the reader that people may have that name through an entirely different origin. I think that otherwise the reader may think that there aren't any others. Do you think that's a problem? If not then don't worry, and if yes, then what's the best way to avoid it, other than a hatnote? Dr. Vogel (talk) 13:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dr. Vogel: Hi there. I deleted it per WP:NAMB, as the title is not ambiguous with the (given name) disambiguator. Anyone looking for a different topic presumably wouldn't have landed at the article. That said, I notice that Siti still has some people with the given name listed there (or at least their title starts with "Siti"). Is there a particular reason for that?—Bagumba (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, those are the people who have that name, but it doesn't have a Malay origin. Dr. Vogel (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
@DrVogel: Now you might be right for these specific people, but there's also no evidence that there isn't some genealogical background for those people to have a Malay name. It can also be problematic for a reader looking for a person named X, but not knowing their background to know the origin of their name, and having to look at multiple lists for name X, each with different origin. Perhaps WP:APO can offer some guidance.—Bagumba (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the point you make is also true, so I'm in 2 minds about this. Initially my idea was to make Siti (given name) about the Malay name, with proper sources etc. But of course the point you make is also valid, and it could be simply a list of people with that name, regardless or origin, and without sources, and if we do that then we'd move over the few remaining people from the dab page. Dr. Vogel (talk) 00:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
@DrVogel: My preference would be to combine them all into the given name page. Now, there is Chung and its many variants there, but I'm wary of a lot of WP:OR there to categorize into one name list versus another. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 11:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hello.

What is the Volcanic Explosivity Index of the 2022 eruption of Hunga Tonga? From the satellite photos and ground photos, the explosion looks large and powerful. Can you add the VEI in the article, in case you find sources about it? I could not find one yet.

Yours sincerely, 31.200.22.239 (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

NY Times says there are no estimates yet.[8]—Bagumba (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. It is still a very new eruption, and new information will come eventually. 31.200.22.239 (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Editor

Hi there. I see you have blocked this editor a few times. They continue to struggle, and don't seem to "get it". If you have a moment to look at their talk page and recent edits it would be appreciated. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Indef blocked. It's time they provide a plausible explanation for their behavior.—Bagumba (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Lusia Harris

On 19 January 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Lusia Harris, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 23:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Dreamkd

Edit warring and adding insignificant NBA G League showcase team honor at Paris Bass. Also just plain being rude. Could probably use someone uninvolved to help him understand how to work within and towards consensus. Rikster2 (talk) 19:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You can expedite things with an appropriate edit warring warning. I also left an AGF warning.—Bagumba (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:NBAhighlights

Are you able to list if a player led the NBA in three-point percentage during a certain year? Mandomanny313 (talk) 03:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mandomanny313: No, it's not on that list. It can be added to a bio's prose, if it's not already there.—Bagumba (talk) 03:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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LaMelo Ball's All-Star status

So this video was put on the NBA website, and it shows LaMelo Ball as being a 1x All-Star. Keep in mind, this is the official NBA website, and this video was put out there by NBA front office. https://watch.nba.com/video/lamelo-ball-2021-22-highlights Could I add Ball's status to his page? Or should I wait? Mandomanny313 (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mandomanny313: If you are not seeing it anywhere else, WP:RSBREAKING seems to apply.—Bagumba (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

News sources have caught onto this revelation from the NBA. Seems legitimate. https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-did-the-nba-leak-lamelo-balls-all-star-status-fans-of-the-hornets-star-go-crazy-as-nba-tv-clip-confirms-that-he-has-acquired-one-of-the-reserve-spots-for-the-2022-all-star-game-2/ https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_tv_may_have_revealed_that_lamelo_ball_will_be_an_all_star_this_season/s1_16751_37115927 Mandomanny313 (talk) 19:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Tom Brady records sources

Most of the records in question follow a 1 + 1 rule, as he owns most of the records in question for both regular season and post season individually. So by virtue of owning both, it is mathematically impossible to not own a combined record.

Most of those sources can be found in both the regular season record or post season record sections. I am not well versed in adding sources correctly, which is why I limit my edits to updating posted statistics, but I can provide links to several of them, and the numbers are backed through https://www.pro-football-reference.com/

Additional links to these pages help provide documentation for several of the records.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_passing_completions_leaders

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_career_passing_touchdowns_leaders

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_NFL_players_by_games_played


Hope this helps, FrostCzar (talk) 10:07, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@FrostCzar: I don't doubt this it's true, but if sources don't publish the combined stats or cite his records there, it's WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 10:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Well they are far from original ideas or thoughts, and as I mentioned, many of them are sourced in the other sections or links already listed, so I can't agree it would be at all considered WP OR. But here are a couple more sources to get your request started. Hopefully that makes other peoples burdens a little lighter in getting the sources assembled.

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-overtime-win-buffalo-bills-tom-brady-all-time-nfl-record-data-crunch

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/29/retirement-tom-brady-dominated-sport-cant-be-dominated-appreciate-as-time-goes-on/

FrostCzar (talk) 10:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@FrostCzar: Feel free to discuss with everyone back at the article talk. Something like sacks is not just "1+1", when he's #2 in regular season https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_sacked_career.htm —Bagumba (talk) 10:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

https://www.patspulpit.com/2022/2/1/22912323/tom-brady-retires-owner-more-than-a-100-nfl-records FrostCzar (talk) 10:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@FrostCzar: I generally stay clear of SBNation for reliability (notable exceptions like The Ringer), mostly amateurish fan blogs. WP:NFL might differ from me.—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I won't argue with your point on SBNation, but can we at least agree to update the numbers to factually correct numbers to help prevent people from creating and posting future blogs and articles that will include incorrect information based on old numbers by lazy writers coming to wiki? That was my main goal in attempting to make the original edit. Updating the sources and talking to the source material can certainly be something worth talking about in the talk page if it must be, but at least have the correct statistics up in the meantime to prevent misinformation, would be helpful. FrostCzar (talk) 11:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

NSPORTS RFC

I just wanted to ask how you became aware of this RFC? BilledMammal (talk) 05:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: Hi there. Seems a bit out of the blue. While everyone's edit history is public, perhaps you could begin by offering an introduction on your history with NSPORTS? Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 05:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not certain what you mean by history, but my general position on it is that it doesn't reliably reflect WP:GNG, and I believe it unintentionally furthers systematic bias. I realize the question is a bit out of the blue, but I am hoping you can answer it. BilledMammal (talk) 05:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@BilledMammal:: I believe that NSPORTS falls within the WP:SNG guideline. I also believe that certain sports' specific SNGs are too inclusive of the leagues where one game played confers liklihood that GNG is met. The problematic ones are guidelines where the league list is indiscriminate, e.g. blindly allowing the "highest international or domestic level" without vetting on a per-case basis whether sufficient non-telecast coverage exists for the domestic league in its given country, or a sports having the "list of fully professional leagues kept by" a WikiProject, not the community. Many other sports are tighter, erring on the side of the SNG being more restrictive, as GNG is always an available option. See the FAQ at WP:NSPORTS#Q6: "I want to create a new sports-specific notability guideline or revise an existing one. What approach should I take?" The intent there is not for NSPORTS to be a free-for-all, but a few popular sports seem to have had their loose guidelines grandfathered in. See also Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#2021_in_review, for examples of sufficient oversight on new proposals.—Bagumba (talk) 07:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I believe it actually defers to WP:GNG rather than being a standard SNG (see the FAQ), but I would also agree that my concerns are less pronounced for examples such as WP:NGOLF than they are for WP:NFOOTY. BilledMammal (talk) 07:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@BilledMammal: The original intent was not for "meets NSPORTS" to be valid in perpetuity, but it was not intented for "fails GNG" to be commonplace in the 1st AfD nom, either. I'd always hoped that individual sport projects would eventually patrol their own, but my optimism is waning. I would support delisting some specific sports, NFOOTY, being one.—Bagumba (talk) 07:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Could you explain what you mean by but it was not intented for "fails GNG" to be commonplace in the 1st AfD nom? For many articles, the only reason to bring them to AFD is for failing GNG? Other criteria can apply, such as WP:PRIMARY where the article is entirely sourced to databases, though even that depends on your definition of primary source, but those are exceptions. BilledMammal (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@BilledMammal: I meant that an AfD closed with the result "fails GNG" should be rare if an SNG is met. An article that meets an SNG is presumed to meet GNG. Thus, the absence of those sources being cited is presumably just a formality. For myself, if WP:FAILN was followed, and sufficient time has passed making it likely this topic is not notable, an AfD nomintated with "fails GNG" is reasonable.—Bagumba (talk) 08:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I see what you are saying; thank you for clarifying, and I fully agree. It should be very rare for an article that passes an SNG to fail GNG when an in depth search is conducted. BilledMammal (talk) 23:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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