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I'm watching a edit war dispute between two groups, one side wants to delete a large amount of content and rebuild the article, the other side wants to leave the bulk of the content and discuss any changes. I've added a controversial-issues tag to a couple of the articles (there are several being warred over), but I'm not sure if they're "controversial" in the standard sense...just in our Wikipedia-way of things. Do you think the tag is appropriate? Talk:Worf is the other one I've tagged. I'm trying to make the statement that any large changes to the article need to be discussed before implementing. Dreadstar†22:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, well from glancing at it, what appears to be happening is that some editors feel that it contains too much detail and irrelevant information, or it is written badly, and should be shorter and more concise. Other editors think "more is better", and restore these trimmings. Both have valid reasoning, and yes, a middle-ground should be found. I think that reverting it back to the longer version, but adding one (or more) of the following tags: {{Unencyclopedic}}, {{ActiveDiscuss}}, {{fiction}}, {{Fansite}}, {{3O}}, or {{in-universe}} would be appropriate. I think you should revert both articles back after the most recent removal [1][2] (my opinion), and the long areas should simply be trimmed by editors, with the issues of grammar/spelling fixed. Poor writing is not a valid reason to remove information, and reverting to stubs to "rewrite" is also not really appropriate. Additionally, I don't understand the use of a diacritic in the word "role" (person removing the content is placing "interviewed for the rôle in..." but having the mark over the o is not done, so I'm not sure what point they're trying to make. As for the talk page header, there aren't a lot of choices for that, so I think your choice is fine. You might want to tag the talk pages with a {{RFCmedia}} as well, to get more editors involved. Those are just my thoughts, but I think that the complete removal of months of editing is highly inappropriate and not helpful. If the sole reason was that it was "written badly", and that seems to be the argument, then it is not a good solution. Ariel♥Gold22:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Mine most humble thanks, as mine eyes well up with tears in awesome joy at thine most divine analysis of this most complex and puzzling situation, M'Lady of Verbosity and Wisdom! Thine analysis and advisory is perfection unto the field of battle..! May thine rest be most restfuleth...! See you on the morrow, o sweet lady divine...! Dreadstar†03:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
R&D request
Ariel, you offered to redesign my user page. I would love for you to do that but I dont want to take up too much of your time. Please feel free to visit my user page and redesign it whenever you feel like doing so.NancyHeise02:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Good morning to you from bedheaded coffee-sipping land, Ariel. On the same(ish) topic, I have been trying to insert a {{Cquote}} in my poached talk page design, but to no avail. I would like it to display between the archives and the TOC, but ... you know. I'm adept at borrowing designs, but not really all that handy at modifying them. If (and only if) you find yourself with some time and want to take a peep at it, I'd appreciate it immensely. As always, anyone else watching who wants to have a hack at it...knock yourselves out. ;) Into The FrayT/C11:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that, it was a simultaneous edit, I was just deleting it from the lead. The South Park episode has come up before on the talk page and been dismissed as encyclopaedically irrelevant - it was split off into a "Richard Dawkins in popular culture" article, but that got deleted a while afterwards. --McGeddon14:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Good, lol. And yeah I figured it was a few seconds short of being an edit conflict between us, lol. No biggie, I thought that if you kept an eye on the page, you could remove it, as my doing so would not be appropriate since I've no idea if it is relevant or not, and I tend to be opposed to the whole pop culture references anyway, lol. I'm glad to see it is taken care of, thank you so much! Ariel♥Gold14:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Long time no talk :-) Could you take a look at that article? I think it's DYK worthy, but it's currently at only ~1400 characters, and the minimum for an article to appear at DYK is 1500. BTW, congrats on the recent GA, DYKs, and super-multiple RfA co-noms :-) Happy editing! The Squid Guy16:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I reworked it a bit, character count (not counting spaces, but including footnotes, like [1] ) is now 1900ish. Unfortunately, there is not a lot of information about this person out there on the internet, although I'm sure there are documents at the college. I searched and couldn't find any. I did put the two refs I found (that were listed but not used as footnotes) into citation templates and referenced each area appropriate. Hope that helped! Ariel♥Gold16:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, well, I tend to use the same exact type of linking for personal use, so for me it wasn't, but for others, you never know. I brought a housewarming gift! Ariel♥Gold17:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Areil, I don't have any color preferences except I don't like black very much, I guess I like all colors, please feel free to choose whatever you like. I am a member of wikiproject Catholicism and Wikiproject Florida.NancyHeise17:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
No problem at all heheheh, I think I managed to put back your changes too. TBH I was feeling a little guilty for tagging it for CSD so I thought I'd do a little bit to help. ---- WebHamster21:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
ROFL! Hey don't feel bad, I doubt there is anyone out there who has not tagged an article in poor condition for CSD, not realizing that perhaps the person was notable. It isn't your fault, the onus of WP:N and WP:V is really on the article's creator, not you. Not to say it can't be re-created later if it was deleted, but I am a big proponent of working on stuff in userspace first, and then dropping it into the title once it is complete. No worries, dear! Ariel♥Gold21:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
We both share the same story! I also didn't create an account until 2005. By then, I didn't know a thing about Wikipedia! Oh how the times have changed. xD L337p4wn22:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
No kidding. I was not retired back then yet, so I didn't have as much time as I do now, but it still seemed as though every time I turned around and checked, new policies and guidelines were posted for me to learn about, lol. I took a good long time reading through just the basic surface layer before I even dove into editing (I like to lurk lol) and even then, I'm sure I made some goofs, lol. (Cute username, btw lol) Ariel♥Gold22:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the top right side of this page you'll see the answer. And, I'd like to suggest that you change your signature to be less lengthy and intrusive, and also so it isn't calling people "idiots", that could really be seen as not very friendly. Ariel♥Gold23:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
~*Ariel rolls her eyes*~ lol. Well, I personally think it is too long, per WP:SIG: long signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution, the presence of long signatures in the discussion also disrupts the reading of comments when an editor is formulating his reply. Pretty sure this would classify lol. Ariel♥Gold23:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I still think it is too long, highly distracting. I don't mind IARing when appropriate, but the signature makes it difficult to focus on the comments, in my opinion. But that's just my opinion, and doesn't amount to much lol Ariel♥Gold23:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
In time, perhaps yes, but I don't think just yet, while I've been lurking and learning for years, I think my recent RL retirement, that resulted in an "explosion" of edits starting this summer, would be seen as a lack of experience, so I'd think it appropriate to wait a bit. However, I do honestly appreciate your confidence in me, as I've got a great deal of respect for you. (Edit conflict: And you too, Phgao!) Ariel♥Gold13:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
It's kind of funny as we both registed in the same month me (11:13, 5 August 2005) and you (18:48, 21 August 2005) and both started editing recently, although you have been far more prolific :D Phgao13:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, yes and no; I agree with Ariel, as the RfAs I've seen fail even though the editor has a lot of edits is due to the time period of those edits;as editing has not been prolonged, and thus many users believe that experience is lacking or trust is lacking. (not that any of these apply to you; you're everywhere and have a great understanding of policies. That question you asked at here was supurb as well.) However, it's always best to take time with RfAs. Phgao13:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm blessed to have many wiki-friends who are also administrators, so when I need help with something, I can normally find someone around. I also don't think adminship is a huge deal, having been an administrator for Microsoft Gaming Zone for years, I'm aware of what it entails. That's not to say I wouldn't consider it here, but just that I don't think there's a real rush. Granted, there are times that I sit on items that need attention for a few hours until someone I know is around, but Wikipedia won't fall apart if those items aren't addressed immediately, so it isn't a huge deal, hee hee. Ariel♥Gold13:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Ariel, I certainly think you're ready and planned to offer a nom myself as soon as my internet was back up and running. It's entirely upto you, but in my opinion you should accept Rlevse offer - I strongly believe you will make an excellent administrator whether you run now or in a little while. Ryan Postlethwaite14:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Ryan! So wonderful to hear from you, I've missed seeing you around since your 'net has been wonky! I hope you get a good stable connection soon, and look forward to that time. As for the nominations, I actually am one of those who think that excessive co-noms is not a great idea, so when the time comes around, I'm afraid I'll have some tough decisions to make just sorting through those who wish to nominate! lol. Granted that's not a huge issue, but I don't like to hurt anyone's feelings, either. We shall see. But again I'd like to thank all of you for your confidence in me, and if you like, I'll be sure to let you know when I make a decision. Ariel♥Gold14:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know. I myself turned it down when I was first asked and about a day later a second guy asked me. I had 27k edits at the time. A month later the second guy asked again and I accepted. Rlevse14:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't caution, I just wasn't interested and never thought much about it until someone asked my. I kept very busy then getting the ScoutingWikiProject off the ground. Rlevse14:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
LOL I was looking through your scouting badges the other day, and had flashbacks to my days as a Girl Scout, ~*Shudder*~, lol. Maybe I had a bad scout leader or something, but I just remember horrid events, lol. Ariel♥Gold14:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Too bad, Scouting is one of the best memories of my life and I'm still a Scout leader; my son and I are both Eagle Scouts. If it weren't for Scouting, I'd have been some combination of dead, in jail, or on drugs by the time I was 20. This is why I give back to the program. Rlevse14:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, you've done some awesome work, I noticed. I lived in this tiny little town, I couldn't sell a box of cookies to save my life (mostly since the closest neighbor was miles away lol), and I just remember this one camping trip to do outdoor badges, and it was filled with spiders and snakes and icky stuff that I just never got into, lol. Just thinking about it makes me shudder. I think there were only about 5 girls in the "Troop", and there was no money, so it wasn't the most successful Girl Scouting troop, lol. I do think it is a great thing for kids though, when it has a good leader, definitely. Ariel♥Gold14:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, me too! :) Ariel, dear, if you don't already have way too many offers, I'd be pleased to offer a nomination when the time comes. If not, I'll offer my strongest support. Love, Neranei(talk)03:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Given that Ariel has already expressed that she thinks lots of co-noms can be detrimental to an RfA, I think it would be good for people to respect that. If and when she decides to allow herself to be nominated, she'll ask a few people to nominate her, and ask everyone else to express their support. I know from how she is she'll find that very hard - she knows lots of people want to nominate her, and doesn't want to disappoint anyone. However, it's also good to remember that the reason we want to nominate or support her is because we think she'd make a good admin, and it would be a shame if well meaning, yet over enthusiastic editors provided additional co-nominations which then resulted in a backlash. Ariel is very well aware that a lot of people would be willing to and would like to nominate her, and I'm sure she's humbled that we think so much of her. That said, it should be her choice as to how her nomination happens if/when it does, and it will be a sign of our respect for her for us to play our part in the RfA according to her preferences. I'll be honest, I would be disappointed if she chose not to ask me to nominate or co-nominate her. However, I'd be even more disappointed if by being obstinate and adding a co-nomination anyway resulted in some kind of backlash and the RfA failing. So, Ariel knows we all love her and think she'd be a good admin. Now would be a good time to let her think about it and consider what she wants to do, and then come to us when the time is right. — TimotabTimothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)03:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you all. Timothy as usual, was able to sum up what I wasn't really able to express. I've seen RfAs fail for having 3+ co-noms, and I think that to have more than 2 is a bit of overkill. If two to three people think someone is ready to be an administrator, then generally speaking, others would probably see that as well, and I think that what could be said in a co-nom, can be said just as easily in a support comment. As most everyone has seen, I've often left quite verbose and explanatory support opinions on RfAs, lol. Thanks to everyone again for your encouragement, and your belief in me. It means a lot, and I am truly honored. Ariel♥Gold12:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey ArielGold, and thanks again for helping with the user talk page. I have come across a problem. When you click Leave me a new message, it goes random and to a page that has been deleted quite a few times! Could you help, because I looked at the code for it, but could not see what was wrong. Thanks again, Tiddly-Tom11:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, didn't seem to be too productive to me either, but as most of the edits were to their own userpage, they hadn't received warnings to warrant an AIV report. Thanks for dealing with that, my dearest LD, M&PLD, MD, EF, KKJ, BS & AE. You rock. Ariel♥Gold01:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Got it. Read it. And find it...PERFECT! You are wonderful..! A truly splendid example of our Lady of Verbosity and Wit....mine ascot doth tremble and my sword doth quake at the blinding logic and beauty of thine divine analysis. My the angels smile upon ye and make thy way pleasant beyond compare... Did I mention "thank you" if not...let me do so now! Thank you, m'lady! Thou art magnificent..! Dreadstar†23:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Sure, if you tell me what other template needs to be used, lol. (And how to tell which images may not qualify for the new template, or how to tell if an image does qualify.) Ariel♥Gold01:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahhh, yeah that might be the best way to go. But if you don't get much response and still want help, I'm more than willing, but I'd be unsure what would qualify for what template, lol. Ariel♥Gold02:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Images Published by USGOV are Public Domain, but if they do still sometimes host images that has a different copyright holder and the USGOV has permission to use. Most of those images ought to be PD, but the TfD notes that not all of those imsges are PD (as noted in the identically named template on commons that was also deleted) — TimotabTimothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)02:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know all that, I just mean, how can you tell if the image on the website is copyrighted? Would it spell it out under the image or what? I really have to admit that I tend to not be that involved in images, aside from uploading NASA images which are obviously copyright-free, and spotting obvious copyright violation images now and then, but with questionable things like this, I may not be the best person to ask for help, because I wouldn't know how to tell for sure if an image on a website was originally from the USGOV or not. Ariel♥Gold02:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Will it do what I want it to do? Or what you'd suspect I want it to do? I'd really like folks to be able to easily identify & access my "talk" page. But I'm scared to mess up my signature. :)--Moonriddengirl01:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Or, if you want colors, I can add those as well, so the "Girl" (going to your talk page) is a different color. Just let me know your color prefs if you want to do that. Be sure you have the "Raw" box checked below your signature box though. Also you could even make "Moon" go to your userpage, "ridden" go to your contribs, and "girl" go to your talk page, if you wanted. Ariel♥Gold01:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it has to be wikilinked! How does Timotab get his thing superscripted? I would like to, if at all possible, figure out a way to use "talk", the way User talk:DarkFalls does. I wind up dealing with a lot of newbies, and I'd like to make the process really clear for them. :) And, as always, I appreciate your taking time to help me with this kind of thing. :) --Moonriddengirl01:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah! Genius! (<--that would be you.) Colorwise, I don't know. I have no objection to it, but I don't know what color I'd go with. :D --Moonriddengirl01:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
This is such an adorable and happy conversation that I just had to say how much I liked it. Then again...most of the conversations on this page are quite wonderful to read...<sigh> Dreadstar†06:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
YReplied. BTW, rest assured that I know fully well that forgiveness is one of the most important values in Catholicism; I will always [ try to ] forgive, no matter how deeply people hurt me, and I hope others can do the same. Good night, dear Ariel! (AST) --Agüeybaná02:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I replied to your reply! Hee hee. And that's a wonderful philosophy to live by, and I'm also glad that my concern was unfounded. Thanks for replying! Ariel♥Gold02:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I can't help but feel...
that a certain uh, "vandal cop" was being deliberately abrasive to see what annoyance he could spread. I don't think he's new at all. Maybe I'm not assuming good faith, but I'm just skeptical. — TimotabTimothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)17:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'd tend to agree, but the person admitted to using the other name before, doing the same thing, so it could just be how that particular editor chooses to deal with vandalism. ~*Shrug*~ Now me, I still believe the old adage, "You catch more flies with honey", personally, lol. Ariel♥Gold19:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank You
Thanks so much for your advice on my attempted company listing. We are definitely going the third party route, but I am totally new to Wiki and was asked to do this, so, am giving it a shot. I will try to link directly to the articles rather than pdfs...some are password protected so I thought I would go at it that way, but I'll do it another. Thanks again. Afreccero20:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
You're very welcome, but remember, your company website is not a reliable, third-party source, so shouldn't be used as a reference. You'll want to find news articles that have been published about your company to verify the notability of the company. Also, keep in mind the conflict of interest guideline, which would really discourage you from creating or editing an article about things you are closely associated with, like family, friends, companies, products, etc. I hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold20:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Long Time No See
Hi there again, thanks for the marci help and as you can see i need a talk page! could you make one up for me please? like yours but less pink? more yellow? Thanks Marci Bowers Helper21:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
BlackSun01:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)OK, so maybe an external link on a disambiguation page is not the proper placement. What would you propose to be the proper placement, since Black Sun is the primary theme of the site, and the site comes up 4th on a google search for "Black Sun"? It certainly has the notability to be listed. What about an internal Wikipedia link on the Black Sun page? Please advise.
Having results come up on a general Google search is not an indicator of notability on Wikipedia. I provided you the link to review what requirements there are for notability of websites, and that is quite clear. One of the qualifications (the first one) is: "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial reliable, third-party published works whose source is independent of the site itself." A quick Google News Search shows zero results. Also, please place your signature using four tildes at the end of your comments, as it makes them easier to read. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold01:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, but still, the only thing a link says is that a site exists and that it has a specific name. It seems that the fact that such a site exists would be of interest to people searching for Black Sun. There may be millions of blogs, but most of them peter out after a few weeks or months. They also do not have sustained traffic or interest. This one has been going since 2001. Since the site clearly concerns the subject matter at hand, and since there is a user page called User:BlackSun, if you will not permit an external link, maybe a link to that user page (which links to the Black Sun Journal site) would be appropriate. Thank you. BlackSun02:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, that is not what the link WP:WEB states. It has specific criteria a website must meet for notability, and I listed one of the criteria for you on above in my reply. Just because something exists, and has existed for years, does not automatically make it notable per Wikipedia's standards. Remember, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate collection of links or information. I realize that your site may seem quite notable to you, but unless the media has covered it/reported on the site itself, or it has been the subject of a major web award, it is likely not notable enough for an article on Wikipedia. You are welcome to have the link on your userpage, as you've done, but unless you can provide reliable, third-party sources to prove notability, an article on the item would likely be deleted. Sorry! Ariel♥Gold02:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
YAY!! You've worked for months on this article, and I'm truly impressed at the difference between how it is now, and how it was when I first came across it all that time ago. What a wonderful job you've done! I hope the GA passes, let me know! Ariel♥Gold01:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Awww, thanks Dr. Cash! Nancy has been through a lot with this article, and I'm happy to have been able to help her along the way. And I'm so very happy that the article is now at GA status, thank you so much for your help and your patience! Ariel♥Gold14:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your help at the helpdesk
Hello ArielGold, Sebastian has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Not sure how appropriate the text is - after just having received a barnstar, how could a simple smiley make your day better? Maybe you can keep it for a rainy day. ;-) — Sebastian06:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
That was some serious support you put in Ariel, and I really appreciate it. I agree with you in every sense. Thank you for you kind words and taking the time, not many do now-a-days. Never stop doing what you doing. :) Dfrg.msc10:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
For your contribution to My RfA, which passed with 8000 Supports, 2 Neutrals and no opposes.
The standards and dedication of the English Wikipeidan Administrators is excellent and I am privileged to stand among them. Thank you for putting you trust in me, I'll not see it abused. And now, I will dance naked around a fire. Party at my place! Cheers! Dfrg.msc 10:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
ROFL Omigosh I love the picture! And I only said what was true, as I always try to do. No worries I'll stop doing it anytime soon, verbosity seems to be my middle name, lol. However, you realize now I'll be bugging you for admin-type stuff occasionally! Muahahaha... Ariel♥Gold14:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry! I got one edit conflict, but I didn't realize I was messing up yours. I managed to fix the one EC, though, so no worries (on my part). I'm done there for now, so you *should* be ok.... Hersfold(t/a/c)20:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Did you check the history? I mean, we were editing exactly at the same time multiple times, and neither of us got an edit conflict! We must be in tune! (Hence perhaps why our dance is so pretty? lol) That's pretty amazing, when you think about it. But I'm done fiddling around there too! Hee hee. Ariel♥Gold20:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
...of how awesome (awe followed by awesome, too redundant?) your user page is. It's pretty much how I imagine mine would look, were I not a lazy bum. Infinite kudos to the Nth power to you. Mrfridays21:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, thank you very much! The original design traces its ancestry (as most designs do) back to our wonderful Queen of Design, Phaedriel, but I did create new tab images and modified it to suit my more colorful personality, and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out! Thanks a lot! Ariel♥Gold21:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you so much Nancy, it was honestly my pleasure to help, and you did most of the hard work! I was just there as a backup, but I'm so proud of your hard work and happy to see the article has GA status now! Ariel♥Gold21:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Ohhh that would rock if you could peek at that essay for me, Queen! And yep, Timothy knew right where all my templates are! Squid Guy, let me know if you need any help setting up templates, I'd be happy to assist! Ariel♥Gold21:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Question / Advice
Hi Ariel. You seem to have an uncommon amount of good sense, so I was hoping to get your advice on something. I recently responded to a request on WQA, about what seems to be an unfounded accusation of meatpuppetry. A number of users have chimed in here, and we recently got this response: [5]. I'm tempted to ignore this under WP:DFTT, but since another user is being maligned, I wasn't sure if that's the best approach. Thoughts? --Bfigura(talk)23:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I went through those items, and it is obvious that this person is not a puppet of anyone, just look at her contributions in the last year. Also, I see no discussion that resulted in a decision to remove the section on sororities and fraternities from the Concordia article, and those sections exist on most every major university's article. I fail to understand what goal is accomplished by removing them, as they were properly sourced, and neutrally written. While an apology would certainly be appropriate, it is not something one can force upon another editor, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they were wrong in the allegations. However, one thing that appears rather interesting, is that following this exchange, a series of IP edits have been made to the article, removing the same information GreenJoe was removing. All of these IPs resolve to Concordia University, in Canada, [6][7][8], and one from McGill University in Canada [9]. I wonder what the objection is to the addition of Fraternities and Sororities from the article? As I previously stated on the article's talk page when an RfC was requested: "Unless someone can specifically prove that a given sorority or fraternity does not exist on the campus, I personally see no real reason to have to cite that they exist." GreenJoe does not do this, and did not at all respond to my comments on the isssue. His reasoning that "all unsourced material should be removed" is flawed, because it is not challenged as being untrue information, and a {{fact}} tag can simply be added to let others know that a source should be found. However, since that RfC, sources have been found, and added, and I honestly see no valid reason for the campaign to remove it. And as mentioned, I'm honestly baffled that so many IP editors from the college would wish this information removed, it makes no sense.
If the removal of the section without discussion continues by anonymous editors from the college, I'd suggest yet another RfC, and failing that, a request for semi-protection to allow established editors to come to a consensus regarding the information. I'm not sure how much help this all is, but that is just my view, and as I'm unfamiliar with the article's history, or the parties involved, I'm afraid that might not be of a whole lot of help. I do agree the situation would be quite frustrating for anyone trying to build the article up to GA status, which seems to be the ultimate goal of the editors who are working on it. As for responding to GreenJoe's blatant refusal to apologize, I would honestly suggest that you don't respond. It is obvious the editor feels strongly and will not apologize, and the evidence clearly shows Victoria is not a meatpuppet, so the small edit summary will not amount to much. It is just one of those things I'd just let drop, personally. Ariel♥Gold00:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
That was my thought as well. (An apology would be nice, but then, it would also be nice if we didn't have any vandals either). Thanks for your thoughtful comments :) --Bfigura(talk)00:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Hrmm, I haven't used it much lately (really ever, I use IRC to catch issues in RC), but it is working fine for me. Just tested it. Not sure what to tell you, honestly, except maybe refresh your monobook.js page? Sowwy dear! Ariel♥Gold15:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting the silly vandalism on my userpage and also nominating Flyguy649 for deletion. I've protected the title from creation. I haven't been on much recently; my real life is quite busy at the moment. Hope you're doing well. (And hello to all the lurkers out there!) -- Flyguy649talk07:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
You're most welcome, dear! And I hope you're at least having a good time in RL, but you're missed around here just the same! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold15:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Eddie has given you a squid! Squids somehow promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving something friendly to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others! Happy editing! --Agüeybaná20:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
another thing you are off with the times for launch you are right with the 15:38 part but to be exact it is 15:38:20 gmt and my source is cbs news bill harwood and the landing time is 5:47 EST but idk the gmt time —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesbondfan (talk • contribs) 21:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Seconds for landing aren't added until it is closer to the time, especially since the launch date can change. Hope that helps explain it! Ariel♥Gold22:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Ciao!
The Original Barnstar
For all that you do, for the tremendous work that you pour into this place, Ariel, I'd like to give you this barnstar. I think that I speak for a lot of editors when I say that you are an inspiration and a resource and someone that everyone can and has turned to for excellent opinions. Into The FrayT/C
Because of a gigantic dragon with large, dripping fangs, I am off for a bit. I wanted my last edit for a while to be a positive one and you certainly deserve all the barnstars that you get. Thanks for all your help and advice and if WP:RFANAG ever comes to pass, I simply insist that someone email me so that I can get over here. I'll be watching now and then at any rate. Cheers to you, dear Ariel, and to all the other great folks I've met in my somewhat brief time here. Into The FrayT/C21:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Noooooo! What is going on today that some of my best wiki-friends are going away? ~*Ariel cries*~ I say that you break out your sword, and battle the dragon to defeat it! In all seriousness, I hope that you get things settled, and can rejoin us quite soon, as you'll be sorely missed, my dear Fray. Ariel♥Gold22:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
LOL, well, hopefully it won't be as long as I think it might; Just some crap to get through. Anyway, if anyone gets bored, take a look at User:Into The Fray/SSP some time for a tricky hoax vandal I've been reverting for the past couple weeks. I stored it there so I have a quick access place to come back and do quick searches. ;) Into The FrayT/C22:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it isn't better worded, but creating account information is not a "vote". The software does not allow users to create usernames that are very similar. You want Phantoms, and there is an active editor named Phantom, so it is classified as "too similar". Also the similarity results in confusion between the two names, so these are all reasons that your request was denied. Feel free to choose a new username, and try again! Ariel♥Gold01:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
User Phantom is not an Active Editor though. The account creation page said Username is similar and then suggested that if I felt that it was justified, an Admin could create the username, thus my plea on the request for username page. 71.229.35.119(talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you edited that user's user page to inform people that they weren't Alison. Well, for your information, if you check Irishforever16's contributions, they copied Alison's user page onto their own, changed it, and then vandalized her talk page. As a result, I have blocked that vandal indefinitely. Acalamari22:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I actually noticed that immediately upon reverting the user's blanking of Alison's page, and that is the exact reason I removed all of Alison's various subpages that were transcluded to that editor's userpage, while it is fine to copy someone's usepage design, copying their confirmed identity, contributions, etc., is not really appropriate, lol. Thanks for blocking the user. Ariel♥Gold22:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, I wondered at the first blanking if it wasn't just a mistake, that the editor accidentally blanked Alison's page while trying to copy the design, but then the editor did it again, so, I understood your actions. Time shall tell, I guess! Ariel♥Gold22:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I believe I was too hasty with that block. Unfortunately, Alison gets trolled almost daily, and vandals have copied her user page before, so I thought this was a vandal doing just that when instead, it was more likely someone who made a good-faith error. Acalamari22:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
If that's an IRC blacklist, I won't be able to help you, as I don't use IRC. A administrator with IRC capabilities, such as Ryan Postlethwaite or Alison would be needed for this. Acalamari23:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry... you didn't know I wasn't a "vandal". You did what was right seeing as you didn't know I wasn't a vandal. you did what you were supposed to do. Thank you so much for your concern in helping me and thank you again for explaining why I was blocked. I had a feeling that I was mistaken and you confirmed my conclusions. Thank you again:-) Oh, and you have a really cool signature! Is there a way that I can use it but with different colors and my name instead? I thought I would ask this time.. thank you for all your help. If you ever need anything you can count on me. Except I probably won't be able to help you, but I will try:-) Irishforever1622:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you understand our actions, and that you can see the issues. And if you need anything, and can't find anyone at the Help Desk, feel free to ask here! Ariel♥Gold22:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
wow that was really sweet of you!
Wow arielgold! That was so thoughtful and kind of you to do that for me! I really appreciate it! I read your talk page ( sorry, I didn't mean to be nosy) and I think you will make a wonderful administrator. Thanks again!Irishforever1623:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
LOL Talk pages are public information, you're more than free to read anything you like, and thank you for your thoughts! I did a couple more tweaks, and gave you a link to Commons to pick pictures, if you find one you like, just let me know and I'll add it! Ariel♥Gold23:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I am amazed
at the nice, friendly environment here! I would just like to let you know that I am giving you an award just as soon as I figure out how (lol). Acalamari is telling me how to do it I think. Oh and I will look for pictures and stuff. I was wondering if you could put bands logos on your page. Would that be an issue of copyright? I am not very fimiliar with copyright things. I want to have the redhotchili peppers and Green Day on my page. And maybe underoath. and reliant K. Do you like any of those bands? Most people have never heard of them. Again, thanks!Irishforever1623:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the fact that you realize it has copyright issues, is incredibly great, because copyright policy is an important thing to know. Unfortunately, the majority of logos can only be used on the article they relate to, which is explained in the non-free content guideline. But have no fear, Commons has literally millions of way cool images (look at my userpage for some really neat pictures of the Space Shuttle. Ariel♥Gold23:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Ohh... thanks. That could have been a potential disaster huh?!?! Yeah, the whole wiki code is a little confusing to me! It's like trying to learn arabic! ( which I have tried unsuccessfully:-). Thanks for the help and info!Irishforever1623:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a disaster, lol. But it just makes it wonky, those boxes don't wrap, so anything more than a few words warps off the edge of the screen, lol. Ariel♥Gold23:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
God, I wanna cuddle Lorna badly. She's magical and sweet and cute and adorable and I wanna curl up with my lil girl and put my arms around her and cuddle her and stroke her strawverry blonde hair. I wanna protect her and maintain her purity and innocence. AHHH I'M IN LOVE WITH A 10 YEAR OLD GIRL AND I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT WHAT SOCEITY HAS TO SAY !!!!!!!!! Innocent and magical, not like slags who are 18. Now I do have a life outside wikipedia (which is more than you can say) so I must go nowCmon england18:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Ryan Postlethwaite would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Ryan Postlethwaite to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ArielGold. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
Sorry Ariel, I just couldn't resist and really think you'd make a fine admin. If you don't want to accept it, then that's cool and I'll delete it, but I urge you to run. Ryan Postlethwaite17:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
While I think that Ariel will eventually make a great admin here on Wikipedia, it is my opinion that this nomination is in poor taste, especially given that this topic was just discussed here on her talk page a couple of weeks ago, and I recall that Ariel stated rather clearly that she appreciates everyone's input and support, but that she would prefer to wait. You, Ryan, were even a part of that conversation. I have little further to say other than that I'm disappointed in your actions, which clearly appear to contradict the wishes of the very user you are nominating for Adminship. --MikeVitale18:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Disappointed in my actions? Assume good faith please. I've made it clear that if she wants to decline it then that's cool and I'll delete it. and Ryan thought he was doing something nice. Ryan Postlethwaite18:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi AnonEMouse! I'm deeply honored, but nobody would ever be able to take our dear, wonderful Phaedriel's place, nor would I even wish to try. She's one of the kindest, most considerate and awesome people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing, and while she may be taking a break, I've no doubt that the future will see her back just as soon as her schedule allows it. I'm happy just being Ariel. Hee hee. Ariel♥Gold18:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
My dear Ariel, I can easily imagine that you will receive unanimous support. However, while I hope you will accept the nomination now or at the start of November (because I think you'd make excellent use of the tools), I would like to warn you that the process can be more stressful than anticipated. (Well, it was for me. :)) It was a bit of a sleepless week. Clear your schedule. Or, even better, don't. Plan to be busy doing something else, instead. :D --Moonriddengirl(talk)18:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I could use a long vacation; wanna be the new FisherQueen? You'll have to master the biting sarcasm and back way off on the whole 'sweet and kind' thing you've got going. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs)18:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
ROFLMAO! You know, I may have a wacky sense of humor, but even so, I'm not sure I could ever come up with some of the things you do, my dear Queen. Today you made me spit tea out all over my desk when you mentioned you'd like to visit England for a certain "competition". Seriously, lol. And Moon, thanks, that's actually something I have thought of, lol. Ariel♥Gold18:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
LOL! I've no doubt you'll figure it out when the time comes, watchlisted or not, hee hee. But, thanks my dear I, (I still love your username, lol.) Ariel♥Gold23:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Every 5 days during November I have set reminders in my calender so I wont forget to include my support :D Hehehehe Tiddly-Tom20:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for participating in my RfA, I'll have to paste a nice card once I find one. In the meantime, there's the claim that a professor was misquoted on the coins to deal with. He doesn't seem to have a website, but he does have an e-mail address.
Ignore All Rules was an issue at my nomination. If I write him a small message and he affirms the claim, then what say you, shall we I the R A over this thing and remove the statement on the plainly unacceptable basis of personal correspondence because it doesn't do anyone any good? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kizor (talk • contribs) 04:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Sure, the only reason I didn't remove it was there is nothing to verify the claim it is a mis-quote, and the anon editor wanted to just have his IP address be the verification, but of course, we can't do that. I don't really think the quote is integral to the article, and as long as you can verify that the recipient of the email, and responder, are in fact the same professor, I see no reason not to remove it if the professor verifies he was mis-quoted. And dangit, your RfA is over and I forgot to go back in and support! ACK! Well, you did not need it, lol. Congratulations! Ariel♥Gold04:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, not that it matters to me, really, but truly I doubt that would happen, lol. I'd be surprised and quite honored if it passed 50, honestly. But I appreciate your good thoughts, lol. Ariel♥Gold04:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahhhh, I must have somehow missed that one, lol. I watch Queen's page constantly, but don't remember that name, of course, it could just be my bad memory lol. Thanks! :o) Ariel♥Gold14:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Because this troll is an attention-seeker, I usually move his comments to my archive immediately without comment, so they're easy to miss. Check out my October archive if you want to see samples of his typical posting style; he's easy to spot and doesn't do much damage, so we just keep blocking his sockpuppets and wait for him to get bored. Sample edit 1, Sample 2.-FisherQueen (talk · contribs)14:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahh, no wonder I haven't seen a thread with that editor! And yeah I haven't dug through your archives, so that 'splains it! ~*giggle*~ I tagged it with a sock tag, the editor admitted it, I just didn't connect the two names because I hadn't heard of Ln of x. Now I know. heheh. Good Morning Queen! Ariel♥Gold14:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
As FQ said, this troll really likes it when you recognize him; fortunately, I think the number of people who watch FQ's page is in the hundreds, so someone usually happens along and blocks without further comment in short order. Acroterion(talk)15:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, as a "civilian", I have to use warnings, or I cannot report them to AIV to request a block, so I'm sorry if did the DFTT no-no, but I'm sort of stuck having to do four warnings prior to reporting, or a block request would probably be rejected if reviewed by someone unfamiliar with the history. Such is life, I guess, lol. Ariel♥Gold15:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
<Edit conflict> Same here; block-on-sight trolls are hard to report to AIV in a concise manner. I've had requests like that rejected myself. Acroterion(talk)15:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
No worries; there are several admins familiar with this troll who are all quick to block as soon as he shows his head. Just shoot a note to User:Isotope23 or User:Philippe if they're online, and they'll smack him down for you if they haven't already noticed him. Now that you've warned his latest puppet, if you're very lucky, he might even add you to his list of people to get weird, pseudopedophilic weekly trolls... enjoy! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs)15:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
LOL Lucky me! And yeah of course I know Iso and Philippe, I guess I just didn't realize they were admins, lol. Good to know! ( ~*Ariel updates her list of people to run to when she needs help*~ ) Ariel♥Gold15:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
