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Thanks for moderating your feelings about the Brent Morel article. I at one time was just arbitrarily deleted by Jaranda? at least the feedback provided in the discussion showed there was validity to the article, more than just a memorial.
I must admot, I am too close to the situation, Brent's dad is a colleague of mine, I am a Marine (old), I have escorted too many young Marines to their final interment, as Marine and a member of Patriot Guard , Close to the Matt Maupin family and recall from my years in Vietnam the sorrow of finding out our country no longer supported that war, but also the troops. We just wound up fighting, not really for our country, but each other. I don't want these kids to experience that. I have a bias for sure, but I think the bias is in the right direction..
Thanks so much, and thank you for all your hard work getting the article fixed up. Replied more on your talk page! Ariel♥Gold03:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Huzzah for me!
Well now. I am pretty proud of myself! I just managed to work it out so ALL of my classes are just on Tuesday and Thursday. Yup yup. Awesome, if I do say so myself. Now I have 4 full days to uhm...sit back...and uh...work my damn ass off! :-D Jmlk1708:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Hahaha that's what I always tried to do, except I had classes on Wed, so Tues-Thurs then free free free! lol. Good job! Ariel♥Gold21:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you so much SiREX! There's a bit of blood in that page, took me forever to get it to look as I wanted, but I'm pretty pleased with the end result. Ariel♥Gold21:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Hahah omg, seriously that first version makes my eyes bleed, eh? The sad thing is, that it has taken what, 100+ edits to get it to look how I like it? I suppose if I were better at this "programming" type stuff, I'd have gotten it right the first time, but I didn't, lol. And after The Transhumanist fixed an elusive problem I had with the last section's text hugging the image, I would say that I'm very pleased with the page now, it not only reflects my colors, personality, etc., but I think it is easy to read. So, it only took me 2+ years... Thanks again for noticing though! That makes it worthwhile, that at least one other person thinks it is pretty! Hee hee Ariel♥Gold21:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I know just what you mean, I wish I had made my userpage with fewer edits also I would say you're "programming" is quite good!, btw I notice your interest in astronomy, you might like a couple of these sites [1], [2], [3][4] oh, feel like a spammer!, {{{{shivering}}}, also I fixed a typo I made earlier ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk04:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Smile
Lights has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Cheers,Lights01:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Yay more smilies! I just love those, and they were very welcome tonight, believe me lol. Thanks to both of you! Ariel♥Gold01:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Thou art most gracious, M'Lady Ariel. I most happily accept the title thou hast bestowed upon my humble self. Thine heart is truly placed in the most appropriate position, at the very core of thine name, for all to behold! Mine ascot is most pleased to have been the focus of your divine attention, and mine sword is most jealous...!
Why thank you, Ariel♥Gold! That is one of the finest compliments I've received..it made me laugh out loud with delight! It's actually kinda rare that I can use my sense of humor on Wikipedia, in RL I'm known for my prowess with the dagger of delight and the lance of laughter...;) Methinks I have the comedian bug.
I must admit that most of mine "thee's and thou's" are from The Mighty Thor- god of thunder, and Sir Mandorallan- the mightiest knight on life! And thou certainly are not silly nor insignificant, my sweet golden one..thou art a pleasure to hammer-down the vandals with!
Indeed! And upon our keen observation of Sinebot’s most perfidious behavior, Lord Dreadstar sorely chastised him by excising, with his most powerful sword of Light and Justice, the bot’s most repugnant and dog-like exclamations about M’Lady’s kind and warm remarks upon mine own pageth. Had we spied his vile notice on M'Lady's page, we would have gently removed it from thy most divine view, so thou wouldest not have been alarmed and concerned! Let the Dreaded One wipe the tears from thy cheeks, so thy golden smile will shine upon the earth once again! Mighty and Powerful Lord Dreadstar, Master of my Domain, Earl of Fashion, Keeper of the Keys of Justice, Banisher of Sinebot. 08:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
"..would he be flogged for "spamming"", wouldeth that be a promise? ;) If LD gets any more titles, it'll crash the 'pedia servers...lol..! Dreadstar†08:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I shall take it upon myself to come up with a suitable "short title" for His Royal Mightyness.Lady Ariel♥Humble servant 08:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
My thanks dear lady, ere the weight of mine mighty titles press me to earth, n'er to rise again..and so long as it doth not end in 'poo'...e.g. "Dreddypoo". Dreadstar†08:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Haha yes, I noticed about 10 seconds after I posted to you all the COPYVIOS she has. Amusingly enough, we also both posted warnings/admonitions/info to her user page within a few seconds of each other (I got a conflicted edit). No problem/glad to help by the way. Zelse8103:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, no problem, CoreBot was on top of things as well, and the rest of the pages are tagged. If that user, or another editor wants to make them without violating policy, that's fine, but they should be removed until that time, or they're just blank articles. Thank you so much for the help though!Ariel♥Gold03:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem. And copyvio should certainly be taken seriously, so I don't blame you. Wikipedians should spend more time worrying about that than whether or not an elementary school deserves inclusion, in my opinion (or at least the two shouldn't get the same amount of serious, immediate attention). Good luck. (I agree that she should've seen the yellow box, it's rather hard to miss.) Zelse8103:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
You're most welcome, and that was actually harder than I thought, they really buried that little fact, let me tell you lol. I also updated the ISS image as discussed on the STS-118 talk page. Ariel♥Gold07:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
SineBot test
Hi, there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot06:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)BOT TEST
Why, when there's a bot that'll do it for us? *tickles the bot* Just kidding, but it's cool to know there's a backup when even the best of people forget something once in a while. spazure (contribs) 06:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I tested it too, but it warned me after only three. As for the bug, do you mean the fact that it doesn't seem to sign something if you mention it by name in the comment? spazure (contribs) 07:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, do me a favor, go do another test, but in your test, use the word SineBot like I did, you can see he didn't sign my comments when it had those, just want to see if it is me or not. ~*Flutters eyelashes*~ Pretty please? Ariel♥Gold07:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Apparently it signed mine. Maybe it just likes letting you stay hidden when it thinks you want to be, or it wants to keep you all to itself? You know how bot are! spazure (contribs) 07:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the visit and help, your were very right, I ended up changing "with" for "the" if it is incorrect please feel free to revert it. As always, you are very kind Daoken10:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
... she questioned my removal of "drama" words, stating that the press said them, so we should use them.
(Specifically, a very anti-NASA reporter over-dramatized the tile issue, and refused to listen to what the managers said, and used phrases like "NASA is very concerned" (untrue, if you listened at the conferences) and twisted their words with relation to the importance.) (Do you have a reference to this dramatization by this "very anti-NASA reporter?")
... She basically accused me of trying to push a "NASA" POV, when what I originally said was that if it was not stated by NASA during the conferences, it was speculation on the part of the media. (In other words, instead of going to the media, you personally researched the press conference and provide your OR.)
There are a vast number of reliable, neutral news sites, and I listed them for her, stating that I obviously was not NASA-centric as I added a balance of the NASA press releases, (In other words, you were perfectly reasonable, helped her out, and she wasn't reasonable or appreciative.)
She has some very rigid, absolute rules that she believes Wikipedia should follow without question (and I'm not saying they are all incorrect, some of them are valid, such as having no "naked" URLs inside an article) and while she did seem to compromise, and did not engage in edit wars on the STS-118 article, (In other words, she didn't do what she originally got banned for, can't respond to your accusations now, and you're continuing to post them? And you know her beliefs? I doubt that last, so this constitutes a personal attack on SallyForth by you--you don't know her beliefs, and you did not provide any proof of her rigidity and absolutely, and, in fact, you argued against it saying she compromised.)
it did tend to be disruptive when she'd revert all the tenses, especially when it was something that was ongoing, like the analysis of the tile damage. (She's correct about this, by the way. We can only report what was reported, not what IS being reported now, because we can't pick and choose, and analyze the press conferences as our original research to contribute to Wikipedia, because this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper.)
But none of the contributors reverted her edits or argued about the validity of her concerns, we merely requested that she not blindly believe the media, when she doesn't know as much as NASA does. (In other words, YOU know more than the media, and your original research of the press conference, and insider knowledge of NASA trumped her reporting form sources? Is this what you mean?)
... she also had some other problems with the way it was written, ....
... she seemed to me, to be so adamant that every single tiny letter of Wikipedia policy be followed, I thought it strange that she'd go and blatantly abuse the system in this way. (Now she's condemned, and you have the audacity to tell me "As noted, I only came to give background to what the STS-118 issues were, which as I summarized, amounted to nothing."[6] This is not true, you came to condemn SallyForth, when she could not defend herself, and you did precisely that.)
I'm not really all that surprised, I guess, because looking at this addition to her user page, would indicate that she didn't really think too highly of Wikipedia.
(Link seems to be dead, but it was a breakdown of the most-viewed pages, showing mostly pornography-related articles at the top.)
At the time I saw that, I wondered if this might go sour somehow... ... Ariel♥Gold 14:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
All of this is a dead on-target attack to make it seem as if the ban was justified. And then, when I asked for an administrator to review it, you jumped in and said you "only came to give background to ... the issues." The issues appear to be that you disagree with SallyForth and want to support her ban, and, yes, this came from my editing out everything positive in your post, but that left a LOT of negative text about SallyForth from you, when she is not allowed to respond. Please don't do this to her. She was an excellent editor, and contributed well to a number of articles. Wikipedia will be the poorer for not having someone of her caliber around. KP Botany06:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear KP Botany, I understand your frustration, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I have replied in greater length on your talk page, but I do not think picking and choosing only parts of my post here, leaving out where I defended her, are ultimately constructive. The bottom line is nothing I had to say is relevant to her block, nor did the issues I discussed have anything to do with her actions later on, which justified the block. Ariel♥Gold06:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Particularly if it wasn't relevant you had no business attacking her in the manner you did. And, while I thank you very much for understanding my "frustration," I'm not frustrated. You read that wrong enough that I have serious doubts about your ability to read SallyForth. KP Botany06:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Again, my apologies if your post came across to me as being frustrated, but it did, and that's how I read it. The medium of text is not perfect, and your post has a rather negative tone, so I have no other way to "read" it other than how you've brought it across, you basically accuse me of attacking someone when I did not have the intention of doing so. I apologized for it, explaining my thoughts, and agree that I probably should not have posted it in the first place. I can't do any more than that. As for me "reading" Sally, I didn't, she plainly has her views stated on her user page, they are there for anyone to see what she believes in, and how she personally thinks Wikipedia should be run. I'd very much appreciate your acceptance of my apology, and allow the matter to drop, as I don't feel it is constructive for either of us. Thank you, Ariel♥Gold06:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that, lol. But I'm using VF, so it is purely coincidental! I can't help it if you're just quicker than I am! (Although if you'd like me to "wiki-stalk" you I'd be more than happy to comply!) Ariel♥Gold09:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
if you see clearly the spoilers are pretty huge since the most important plot points are being given out.so i request you to include spoiler alerts or remove them from them completely. The kid 66610:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear The kid 666, as I mentioned multiple times on your talk page, the article Twist ending is an article that illustrates the techniques of literature and film, with specific relation to twist endings, and as such, the "spoiling" of the examples given, is inevitable. Again, Wikipedia is not censored, nor does it disallow spoilers, especially when used to illustrate a point. I have compromised with your continued removal of the entire sections, by adding a {{spoiler}} tag to each section, allowing other readers to realize that spoilers are below, giving them the chance to not read it. However, your insistence that they be removed is not valid, since this article is specifically about such turns in plot, and using them as valid illustrations. Again I would encourage you to read all the helpful links I provided with regards to the Spoilers guideline, and the censorship policy. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold10:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome, and I'm glad that you understand. In addition, I will leave a note on the article's talk page regarding the reasons I placed those tags, for anyone else who may have concerns. Thanks again! Ariel♥Gold10:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Timeline Tracer has been greatly enhanced with Guidelines and Strategy as well as many alternatives which will make participant's editions more easy to target, easier to tag or comment and much more. Please go to WP:TIMETRACE and give a look in the new tools. I though you could want to know about this. Daoken11:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
First of all, don't be calling me names, or using foul language on my talk page, please review Wikipedia:Civility. I clearly stated to you on your talk page (multiple times) when you insisted on continually removing entire sections of the article, it was an article that used what you call "spoilers" as examples of literary and film technique, and they are highly relevant and necessary for the article. However, being nice, rather than report you for disruption, I chose to attempt a compromise, by placing the section spoiler warnings. I said I'd compromise and place the warnings if it would stop you from blanking the article. I've fully explained the entire point of the Twist ending article to you, and those spoiler tags are not needed, as the article clearly is about how to end a movie/film/book with a surprise. However, I did not see how it would really hurt them to be placed there, and if it satisfied you, I was willing to do it. Tony disagreed, rightfully so, and Tony removed them. Take it up with him. But if you continue to blank portions of the article, you will, as I told you already on your talk page, take the risk of getting a temporary block for disruption. Go review your talk page. I clearly stated multiple times that spoilers on that article were part of the entire point of it. Just because you may not want spoilers anywhere, doesn't mean they don't deserve to be there. Ariel♥Gold13:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I think you have to keep it real short and simple for this kid. And really, can't he take a dump in his own sandbox? (Actually I told him earlier that he could.) -- Hoary13:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
"This is a User Page" code
I've currently got 2 copies of the standard "This is a User Page" code on my, er, UserPage. However, if you look at the code for the two of 'em, the top one is significantly more obfuscated than the bottom one. Ignoring the rounded corners on the bottom one (which I learned how to do from your UP, thanks!), what's the real difference between the two? Why use HTML entities like 'ki' to display 'Wi' with all the HTML comments and meaningless <span> tags interspersed between 'em? I don't quite get it... --MikeVitale14:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. My problem was not quite with the fact that I had two copies of the "This is a UP" code on my page -- I know precisely why I have them. I was asking more about the HTML code differences between the two. When I was referencing "Wi" above, note that that's what is printed when you type "ki" into the edit box. Those are called HTML Entities. Check out this page I created for you: User:MikeVitale/ArielGold. Hope that that helps with a bit of the programming side. I'll go ask Jmlk17 to see if he can help me figure out the reason that everyone seems to have those obfuscating character encodings hanging around... --MikeVitale09:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I have followed up with Jmlk, we'll see what he says. Also, note that "the odd thing that forces a space" is called a "non-breaking space", and the HTML entity for it is . What that means is that, if you want to make sure that two words always appear next to each other, even if the viewer's browser width would normally split them up onto two lines, you can insert that between the two words, and the browser is supposed to keep them next to each other. A very contrived example of this might be if you wanted "Human Genome Project" to always appear on the same line, you would write: Human Genome Project. Resize your browser and see how that works, and also edit the page to see what I did there. Forgive the stupidity of that contrived example; it's 4:45 am, and I need to get back to bed after taking my puppy out... --MikeVitale09:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Omg, I get it now! I never could understand the "point" of that, I mean, I understood that it forced a space between the two words, but I never realized why it would be used, and resizing the browser, yep that title remains always together. Wow! That is super cool! And see my response on your talk page, lol. I'm feeling a bit foolish here, I hope you'll forgive me. Ariel♥Gold09:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
No, actually, I made the assumption that everyone just intrinscally knew I was a programmer. After all, I know that much about me! Don't feel bad; I should have made it clear. Anyway, yeah. I'm a tech geek. Ask me techie questions and I'll see what I can do. But don't think you were talking down to me. I might be new to Wikipedia, but I catch on quickly! :)
I suppose the fact that I'm a tech geek is what's got me asking this question in the first place, as it's something only a tech geek would notice... --MikeVitale10:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
So after reading through the answers at the techie pump, I discovered that there's a template for this box I've seen on multiple userpages. However, when viewing the source (via "Edit this page") for others' pages, I see the source code of the template, and not the {{Userpage}} template usage. Just a little FYI in case you were unaware that such a template existed. It does have a few variables that you can make use of, but not enough IMHO. Perhaps I'll try to come up with some way to add more variables. --MikeVitale20:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Ah, but that's the great thing about variables. You can use them to customize the template as you see fit. So, for example, your subst'ed template could turn into something like:
Also, note that (upon further review), the Userpage template you're using contains a bug in the padding talked about here. That appears to be the major difference (colors aren't "major") between your userbox and the standard template. And that appears to be a problem with using {{subst}} as I now understand how that works...You subst'ed that template into your userpage once upon a time before that padding bug was identified and fixed. Because you used subst, your Userpage's box still contains that bug. I would be willing to bet that if you instead simply used the template itself, the padding difference would have been fixed when the template got fixed. And, finally, I am really not trying to get you to change anything on your userpage. I am merely attempting to hold a discussion whereby we can both learn things about how stuff works around here. Change your userpage or not as you wish. It is, after all, yours and yours alone. :smile: --MikeVitale22:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Ohhh no worries that I'll take any of this discussion wrong, in fact I'm so glad to talk to you and I'm learning a lot! Also, if you fix the padding issue on your page, I'll just swap that one out for the one on mine to fix it and keep my colors! That would be awesome if you wanted to do that. (If you don't want to do that, no worries!)Ariel♥Gold22:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I did see that yours was "squishy", which is not a part of the standard template. As it is currently, the template cannot be "squishy". However, if my proposed changes to the template are accepted (and if they're correct), then making the templated "squished up" *will* be possible. That's the reason I proposed them, in fact. Yours is smaller and therefore looks more tidy. As I said, not possible currently, and was only that way in yours due to a bug that existed in the template when you originally subst'ed it into your user page. Sometimes, bugs are advatageous... :) --MikeVitale22:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Wiki-fying
Thanks for "wiki-fying" my article. I'm new, and will adhere to the site's policies in the future best I can.
thanks for helping me put my article into the proper format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwaymogul (talk • contribs)
You're most welcome, Bway! Honestly I didn't want to see that article get deleted, and it was tagged due to the copyright issues, so I felt it would be better to re-write it, there were a ton of reference sources out there, so it really wasn't that hard. I hope those links I gave you will help you in the future, and don't forget to always sign comments you leave on talk pages using four tildes (~) after your comment! Thanks again, let me know if I can do anything else for you, Ariel♥Gold16:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. live and learn. Bwaymogul lol oops 17:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC) BwayMogul
You should observe this ****ing kid. It's spreading POV. This bigmoth knows nothing about music. every discussion with him is useless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.39.220 (talk) 13:59, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
(Profanity removed from above comment - do not post profanity on this talk page please)
I thank you for reventing this vanadalism :]]
This user just can't proove he is right that blaqk audio's genre is not darkwave and that's why he is vanadalizing my page...Xr 119:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I honestly don't have any clue what the topic is, lol I just know the policy, and you're allowed (within the guidelines) to have the content of your choice on the userpage. Either way, you're welcome. Ariel♥Gold19:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm interesting one. The name is odd, and, call me an imbecile, but I can't really work out whether it is insulting to Jesus, or simply a random name. The policy states that usernames that in any way involve religious figures are to be discouraged (and direct matches to religious figures have been blocked, I think - such as user:Jesus etc). I think this needs further community discussion, and no-one will burn you at the stake for taking it to WP:RFCN. As far as his one edit is concerned: it appears to have added some useful information, so his heart *appears* to be in the right place. As such, pending the (possible) discussion at WP:RFCN, he may be willing to change, depending on the result of the RFCN discussion, should you chose to make a post. I hope I have been able to help ;) -- Anonymous DissidentTalk15:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. Notification should, of course, first be made. {{subst:uw-username}} should do the trick, or if you prefer, you can send a personal message. Wait for a response. Wait for as long as you deem appropriate; I usually either wait until more contribs, but no response or some other measure that seems to be the best course of action. Then, depending on response (or lack thereof), either direct user to WP:CHU or WP:USURP, or take to WP:RFCN, or, if you decide to, leave things be. Thanks -- Anonymous DissidentTalk15:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I have my own notice for it. Well I think I'll do nothing, as I don't see it being a big problem, and the article he edited wasn't religion-related (that I could see), so ... no need to over-react I think. Thank you for the counsel! Ariel♥Gold15:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey I looked there! lol. Hrmm, well, I'll have to experiment to see if I can get that to work here. Thanks though! (Boy I must have been blind...) Ariel♥Gold15:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I know. I am currently in the middle of cleaning it up. I think it's notable enough to have its own article. Happy editing! --Boricuaeddie14:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks awesome! Great job cleaning up the advert tone! I made teensy weensy changes, feel free to revert them, mostly punctuation, etc. You did a really awesome job. Most AfC creators create, then leave to others, your dedication to making it look good is really wonderful. And thanks for inviting me to review it! I'm honored. Ariel♥Gold14:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Eddie has given you a squid! Squids somehow promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving something friendly to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others! Happy editing! --Boricuaeddie14:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Hahaha omg you're squid guy! I've seen those all over and didn't put 2 and 2 together until now, lol. Too cute! Ariel♥Gold14:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
For being so damn nice and making up my first nickname, I award you the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. Happy editing! --Boricuaeddie16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree to let the matter drop, and suggest you do, too. After all, SallyForth123 is permanently banned from editing Wikipedia. I'm sorry that you continue to be concerned primarily by my thinking your post is what it appears to be rather than being concerned about the words you inappropriately used, without supporting evidence, in the wrong place to attack a defenseless editor. I have, on the other hand, provided supporting evidence for why I see your posts for what I think it was, and will be glad to provide it again, because certainly editing Wikipedia for quality is a waste of everyone's time.
KP Botany16:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem, Gabriel, if you aren't able to do it, post it on the article's talk page, and I'll request someone come to translate it, okay? Cheers! Ariel♥Gold19:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Smile!
PolarWolf has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Thanks for letting a user post other users' talk pages on article discussion pages. Incase you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. 203.59.53.9711:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Comments made on user talk pages are a matter of public record. While I agree it would be easier to simply link to the talk page, (which he also did) rather than re-creating the discussion, there is nothing that he posted that could not be read by all. Now, if he'd posted a private email or other private non-Wiki conversation, that would be a different issue. But you removed not only the portion from a talk page, but his entire statement, and refactoring other editors' comments on talk pages is not polite. Thanks, Ariel♥Gold11:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you don't, but your comments (and mine, and those of every other editor here) are a matter of public record, for all who choose, to read. If you do not want them brought up elsewhere, I would suggest reviewing them prior to submission, or possibly not responding at all. I'm sorry you are unhappy with the way Wikipedia functions, but having a history, and having public record of conversations is just part of the system. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold11:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with comments staying on my talk page (also public record) it doesn't mean it gives people the right to publicize them even more. 203.59.53.9711:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Again, I'd direct you to review talk page guidelines and, if you doubt me, feel free to review my request for clarification on Village Pump. There is no policy that disallows it, your comments are public record, (and you submit to GFDL by posting here). If you have issue with how you were quoted, instead of removing the comments of another editor, you should reply with a new comment, that will clarify your statements and put them into context. Hope that helps, Ariel♥Gold11:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, I'm not going to get into an argument with you, I have too much respect for females, but the matter of the fact is, if he is able to publicize people's talk pages on article discussions then that is just pathetic. If he can do it, maybe I should. 203.59.53.9711:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
(UI) I'm not arguing with you, except to clarify policy. In fact, I went out of my way to find a policy to support your concerns. Yes, you would be just as able to do it as he is, but you're encouraged to provide a difference as a link, and you're encouraged not to pick and choose certain comments, to change the context. (I fully realize this isn't followed at times, so I won't comment on that, but providing a diff would be appropriate should you decide to take that path.) However, I'd still personally advise that rather than resorting to the "If he can, I should" path, you could just calmly, and kindly, clarify your context, and intent, without getting heated or being sarcastic, as that may be more productive. And naturally, you're most free to completely ignore my advice, I'm just giving it to you because you honestly seem to have the good of the project at heart, and while others may not agree with your views, you still have a right to voice your opinions. Everyone has that right. Ariel♥Gold12:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ariel
Thanks for adding some references to the content for Toni Pearen's article. You're doing the right thing. I'd like to add some stuff about her recent engagement and move to Scotland Island, but it will get scrubbed immediately as it always does. I'm sure that if you do some quick research on her you will find some references that will confirm both events. Maybe you could have a crack at it while you're working on the article?
(profanity removed)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.182.23 (talk • contribs)
The notices on your talk page were left every time you blanked the page, as well as the notice from the bot. I was polite, provided you with reasons why blanking is not acceptable, and did not use the standard warnings others would use, until your 5th time blanking the article. You chose to ignore MER-C, a bot, and myself, not only from warnings on your talk page, but notices in edit summaries as well. You continued to blank the article, when I had warned you that you risk being blocked by doing so. Your profanity here is not welcome, nor will it be kept. I will respond to you intead, as I originally had prior to seeing your vile comment you left later:
I only did a very cursory search for some initial references. The issue at heart is the policy relating to biographies of living persons. While engagement information is not "bad information" (i.e. insulting, defamatory), it still should be cited with a reliable source somehow before putting it in, at least that's what I personally think. But I'll dig deeper, okay? If you would like to discuss it calmly and rationally, without resorting to personal attacks, feel free. But personal attacks are not tolerated. Ariel♥Gold12:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee yep! You know there really needs to be a "blush" happy face! I have scoured the emoticons and Commons and haven't found one. Hrmmm, maybe I need to make one... Ariel♥Gold13:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The article that is in Wikipedia is about a different Sonny Burgess. What do I need to do place the article is wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.43.165.118 (talk) 15:30, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I'm looking into that now, just give me a moment please I saw it was a singer/songwriter, same name, country, so I assumed they were the same, please see your talk page for additional issues with your submission, particularly related to copyright violations. I'll update your talk page with more information in a minute. Ariel♥Gold15:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I love what you did with my userpage. Adding the border has made it ten times better. Also I tried to fix the horizontal scroll thing a while back but I didn't know how. You're truly a star!! And so:
I didn't like the current one either as it kind of clashed with the colour scheme I have going. But your one is not only lovely but it matches too. :D Thank you. AngelOfSadness talk 19:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree with you. When I was picking userboxes to put on my userpage, I was looking through the list and very few of them have personality jumping out. That's when I decided to make some(three) userboxes. All of them are song quotes from some of my favourite bands/artists and I plan to make more. Anyway, I will look through the list again to see if there are ones in desperate need of makeover. Now if only there was a way to personalize the "you have new messages" banner. :D AngelOfSadness talk 19:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I know and because of it I'm seriously considering having a wikipedia-related blog section on my userpage with everything wikipedia on it. The first entry will discuss the colour of that message box. But I'm going to research what wikipedia says about wikipedia related blogs before starting one. I like your style of userboxes, especially the last one. AngelOfSadness talk 19:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Vandalism Alert
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^^^I didn't know you could do that! I dealt with that user on his or her userpage, normally I would try to encourage helpfully but its been two months of basic disruption now, the user needed a bit of a kick up the backside. Played good-admin-bad-admin with User:Martinp23. SGGHspeak!19:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
LOL Yeah that alert thing is a new system we're trying out, works pretty darn well! It shows our status online via User:StatusBot (when he's working lol) and users can "page" someone to help when things are nutso, lol. Pretty nifty, eh? And yep I saw your edit, good job! Ariel♥Gold19:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
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Dude, I made USD330 online tonight already. (personal attacks removed) You shouldn't have been nasty to me last night. I've made sure you now have way more work to do than I am willing to tell you about right now. Cleaning up after others is sooo rewarding. Isn't it? Have fun with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.122.39 (talk) 11:56, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
Threats like that are not constructive. I suggest again you re-read the policies, as well as re-reading the notices I left your other IP last night, they were all quite polite, respectful, and provided helpful information. Ariel♥Gold11:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
(Personal attacks removed) You'de be a good person to tidy up the latest Toni Pearen additions.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.122.39 (talk) 14:04, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
I tried to put this on your talk page awards section, but I couldn't figure out how, so I tried to put it in your talk page and it took me to a blank page. sorry for all the confusion. --MKnight998913:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
LOL it worked, and thank you very much, it was my pleasure! (I spent a good few days wondering the exact same thing you did, so I could relate! Ariel♥Gold13:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Request for help
I wonder if you may know someone (or a few ones) who may help at WP:KIS populating the labels, at least a few at the time, could you please let me know? ℒibrarian222:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Very interesting project! While I personally like the "fancy stuff", I do understand editors who prefer minimalism. I'd be happy to help create boxes for categories, if requests are posted on the talk page, I can do a few to help, certainly. I'll help to clean up the project page tomorrow, and work on some boxes, sound good? Ariel♥Gold22:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Took a quick look, did a little cleaning up of project page for clarity, grammar, etc. I've posted my impressions on the talk page, and will work on some boxes tomorrow. Thanks for inviting me to participate in the initial growth of this helpful project! Ariel♥Gold23:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Wonderfull that you liked it and already engaged your self in very nice changes. I am very happy with your participation, thank you ℒibrarian216:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
You are most welcome, I honestly like my userboxes, but I also feel some are a bit... over the top, shall we say? lol. And, I do understand the minimalist view, and I think it is a great idea to give those people some kind of variability, great idea in creating the project! Ariel♥Gold16:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem at all Ariel. I had missed it, and was trying to include the Chewbacca reference as well. So will add that in to what already exists. Feel free to tidy or revert as you like. I was just really buzzed to see old Chewie getting a shuttle role! Thanks for picking up on the dup.. JeffStryker19:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
LOL I was honestly completely shocked when I read that, and couldn't believe it was true, lol. Pretty wild. I remember seeing the movie from the front row, on opening night (because those were the only seats left in the theatre) and my neck was killing me after 2+ hours, lol. I did re-add the Chewie thing, as it is completely relevant, and interesting, and I fixed the refs. Thanks again! Ariel♥Gold20:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow you work fast!!
Wow Ariel - that was quick! It turned out fine, and thanks for being so thoughtful to let me know about the changes in real time. No problems about the misunderstanding at all BTW. --JeffStryker20:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
for the mitigation of the comment on my talk page, although it would be no problem to have it there as I don't care about it ;). Sorry for the responding delay, I improved my VF settings yesterday and detect more or less target-orientated lots of vandalism now and the multi-user-page-vandal distracted me ;) --Oxymoron8321:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Registration logs
Hello. I saw your comments at UAA. Anyone can see when a user created his account. Just look through his account creation logs, and you will find the information you want. For example, that user's log can be found here. Happy editing! --Boricuaeddie21:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I initially thought, but I've tried several times to see when a user was registered, and it always came up empty. I must be doing something wrong lol. Thanks dear! Ariel♥Gold22:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Oohhh I'm a secret! Lol. Actually that is exactly what I was talking about, the users I've tried to check, have come up just like that, at least I'm not going nuts, lol. (P.S. I created the account around July 24, 2005, that's my first userpage edit) Ariel♥Gold22:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
For becoming one of the founders of WP Keep It Simple
The Template Barnstar
For creating KIS alternatives for all those users who prefer to Keep It Simple I add here a lapel pin barnstar in case you want to add to your KIS rack.
Ok, fixed that. The long answer is: in the absence of evidence to the contrary, please assume I'm talking out of an inappropriate orifice. A slightly shorter answer is: I got it wrong on the talk page. Should be {{user label..., not {{label....
A second problem is that it tgt doesn't work if it's in the category namespace. I don't know why yet - I'll try to work it out and fix it later today, but in the meantime I've set the target to United States. Jakew10:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hrmm, okay... most of that just went whoooooosh over my head, but I see you say you'll work on it and fix it, so that's good enough for me not to worry about it! lol. Ariel♥Gold10:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Semi-mythical WikiCreatures
I expect I'd be rather surprised and very pleased if she were to do that. But I was told long ago that WikiFairies were mythical. ;-) Jakew22:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Is that so? Hmmmm, that's odd... well, they say Santa is mythical, too, however, NASA tracks him every single year using satellites, so, you never know... Ariel♥Gold22:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I added some info to the main page, can you give a look and if you disagree you take it away until Jake gives also opinion, and if you agree you add the info about how to use the bot? Thanks ℒibrarian210:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Why
Before i start i no i have been a bit crazy deleting alot of things but iwas anoyed however no matter wat it is even if its very useful why is it dat everytime i try and add something you lot just delete it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.97.181 (talk) 16:58, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Well, let me look... You blanked the page here and here with no explanation. Your edit here was simply gibberish, erasing all existing material. This edit here not only removed information, but added invalid script, creating issues with the page display, removing the image and text. Your edit here removed information, leaving the sentence to begin halfway through, and again, none of these explained any reasons for your actions. If you are new to editing, I would suggest you stop, and go read a few of the help articles such as Cite your sources, Manual of style, Layout guide, First article, Article development and How to edit for assistance. Also, please realize this is an encyclopedia, and your grammar, language, punctuation, spelling, etcetera should be as correct as you can get it when editing articles. Hope that explains the actions of the people who patrol recent changes! Ariel♥Gold17:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely jealous :)
I saw the "new" Jake, I am sooo jealous ! Pitty I don't have a page but when I do you can bet I will be whistling around for a fairy can hear . Hope you saw the hebrew pseudo-translation I left ℒibrarian219:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that translation, but it made absolutely no sense. That user had never made any posts, so it could not be a comment about anything I reverted, so I've got no idea. ~*Shrug*~. And get to work making a page with more than one line on it and the Wiki Fairy just might visit you too! Ariel♥Gold19:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed I am Sten Odenwald, and I have to apologize for misunderstanding the terms of submitting biographies! I looked at the pages by Alan Lightman and other astronomers I know personally, and used their styles as a template. I would be happy to find a 'third party' to submit the bio if need be, but thanks so much for your editing!!! Sten —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odenwald (talk • contribs) 19:48, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
I'm happy to hear back from you Dr. Odenwald! I'll be in touch on your talk page, and thanks for getting back to me so quickly, Ariel♥Gold19:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't hate me!
My userpage now looks alot like yours. Don't hate me, don't kill me. Please please please. :)
Seriously, I couldn't have done it without your help, and it's much appreciated. Even if you don't think you did much of anything, you did simply by having your awesome user page be the way it is. Thanks again! --MikeVitale20:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
You silly goof! First, I like it, second, it really doesn't look like mine, and it fits your color scheme quite well. Finally, they say that imitation is a form of flattery, so, thank you. And honestly, it is different enough that I doubt anyone would even know you got any ideas from mine, lol. I like it! Ariel♥Gold20:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
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OwenX is flagging my articles. I'm listing authors and book that all have notariaty because they are published authors and in the LOC, Amaozn.com, and elsewhere. They're all Christians and this guy has some sort of agenda against Christians. How can I stop this harrasement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Businessgirl (talk • contribs) 01:06, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Erm, I don't really like it, personally. I'd rather just type that and have the project name in it, with a normal link. Up to you though, that's just me personally, lol. Ariel♥Gold11:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, yep. Thought about reporting, but s/he has no edits, so I thought I'd let you keep an eye on it instead. Feel stalked? Ariel♥Gold20:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the heads-up. Too funny—I'm dying to see what they do with it. See, this is why I created this second account—I hurt someone's feelings with my original account—[user name redacted]—by helping get their article deleted and they retalitated by trying to trash a bunch of articles I'd written (it didn't work out for them, but it was stressful). So now I do my "negative" editing with this account, and create articles that I actually care about with my other one. Of course, then I started doing WP:AFC with this Roy account and have created some articles; at least they're not anything I'd cry about if they were deleted. Sock puppetscan be a good thing! Precious Roy21:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I've read your essay, I agree that the first, level 1 and 2, warnings are too harsh and often provoke an unwanted response, especially from ip addresses belonging to educational establishments who enjoy "provoking" Recent Changes patrols.
Ideas:
Too often vandalism warnings are dished out in cases where it would be far more useful to assume good faith and attempt to educate them further on the style and policies of wikipedia e.g. welcome and welcome vandal templates, direction to a portal e.g. WP:TRAINS where they can put their knowledge to good use.
Whilst looking at recent changes inappropriate usernames are discovered, A section on it would be useful. Whilst you have covered csd, deletion ... and so on, I feel you have neglected the use of the wikify tag and other similar ones if the editor is unable to improve the article.
Most importantly apologise! when you have made a mistake that needs to be emphasised throughout the article, there is nothing worse than having a good edit inadvertently reverted.
I hope I haven't been too critical, the essay is genuinely useful and when it is finished it will be an excellent guide to recommend on newbies talk pages who start RC Patrolling. Y4kk23:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Not critical at all, I asked for your input and I appreciate it. For the purposes of the essay, since it is aimed at RC patrol, I think that the tags issue really could not be incorporated properly without devoting a significant section, and the essay is already borderline too long, lol. We did discuss making the essay more focused on general "template use", but in the end, my feeling is that new(er) editors who are getting into RC Patrol, are the ones that need some guidance, and I'd like to see this essay put to use in that way to help those folks. I should definitely note something on usernames, though, and that's an excellent suggestion, as is the importance of apologizing when making mistakes, as they are inevitably made by everyone. Thanks, I will definitely put those issues into the essay! And I'll add a link to the cleanup tags, those folks interested in reading more about those can do so at their leisure. Thank you for your input, Y4kk! I really appreciate you taking the time to read it! Ariel♥Gold23:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Everything OK with you? No one visits me at K.I.S. :( and I don't manage to handle the requests, Jake is also keeping away, did I do something? ℒibrarian218:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey Ariel, I read your essays on the use of template messages, and found them really good. Would you mind if I created templates based upon yours? Thank you! Neranei(talk)20:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the permission. :) As for the essay, it was very well written, but I think that it should have more about how to communicate with vandals who personally attack you, sockpuppetry (maybe), and vandals impersonating you. Just a suggestion! By the way, what projects are you working on right now? Do you need any help? Cheers, Neranei(talk)20:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Good points all. However, I honestly think that the majority of normal "new(er)" RC patrollers really won't have the knowledge to deal with sockpuppets, and that issue in itself, deserves its own essay (just like CSD does), so I'd prefer to stay away from it totally. The accusation of puppetry is a serious one, and not to be taken lightly, I'd hate to see people slap those tags on pages without proof, you know? The personal attacks issue I can probably go into more, there is a section on personal attacks there, and I can add info regarding how to handle them when they are directed towards the RC Patroller. At present, I'm working on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Keep It Simple, helping to get the infrastructure in place, and making labels others request. It is a pretty new project that offers alternatives for userboxes. And, of course, just doing general work with RC patrol, and "Random Page" patrol/cleanup stuff.Ariel♥Gold20:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
You're right about the sockpuppets; I've been doing RC patrol for awhile now, and am just starting to be able to recognize socks! It would be a bad thing to have less experienced users go around accusing every vandal they see of sockpuppetry or whatever, you are definitely right about that. I remember the first time my user page got vandalized, and I freaked out; if I were a new RC patroller I'd want to know that it's normal and it means you're doing your job. I will definitely take a look at the Keep It Simple project, even though my userpage is anything but...Anyways, good luck! Love, Neranei(talk)20:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
That's excellent! Good job! I particularly liked how you said that it's not personal. Excellent Job! (I've hijacked your smiley ) Love, Neranei(talk)21:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The nice thing about smileys is, there are always more! You come talk whenever you're bored, k? Always nice to have that bright (ugly color) yellow bar telling me I have new messages! Ariel♥Gold21:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
In that case, you may see me around often; I'm bored a lot! (all your smileys are belong to us) I'm writing an article for the Signpost; by the way, do you know how to actually submit articles? Some of the people know I'm writing it, but I don't know where to put it when I'm finished. Thanks again! Love, Neranei(talk)21:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hrmm, I haven't done any work for Signpost, but I'll check around and get back to you on that! And no worries, I'm bored a lot too! Ariel♥Gold21:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Ariel, where are you? Lol, our schedules no longer seem to coincide! :) Hope all is well, and talk to you soon! Jmlk1706:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I know I miss bugging you! lol. I think combined with your new school schedule, and my erratic sleep schedule, we're just missing each other, but no worries, because my sleep schedule will work its way back around eventually! Ariel♥Gold14:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
