Talk:Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood

Sequel

I think we should get as much evidence as possible about this. We've possibly got another game on our hands here.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Weve got all the current info. I doubt we'll hear about it again for a while. _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 21:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Well we do have a confirmed game, title unknown, that's all that's been revealed so far. I do hope they make a sequel though, I loved The Dark Brtoherhood.--Project Harbinger (talk) 19:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

UK Site Update

Not only is Dr. Eggman shown, but an Echidna whose name I can't spell. Just go to the characters section.[1]GENERALZERO (talk) 01:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this game's plot Canon?

I know they haven't posted much in the way of plot section (and I'm likely going to be working on that, but that's not the point), but is there any proof whether this game is canon or not? --GreenEarthPFC (talk) 00:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't contradict anything from the other games (in fact it ties some details together and refers to characters/events from earlier games - Shadow and Rouge working under the GUN Commander, details from Sonic Battle and Sonic Adventure, etc.). However, it's set in a bit in the future, ahead of a specific event that has yet to have happened (Eggman's "final defeat") so it's somewhat removed from the current continuity. Basically, Sega could shove in any number of storylines without affecting this one because it's so removed from the present.24.40.178.169 (talk) 02:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

In 2011 Sonic Team regarded Sonic Chronicles as non-canon.195.67.78.50 (talk) 09:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

For whats worth, the 2021 Sonic encyclopedia and artbook, Sonic the Hedgehog Encyclo-speed-ia, also renounced Chronicles as part of the canon lore.--194.71.19.185 (talk) 10:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Battle scenario image

Thought I should point out that the image of the battle scenario is outdated; in the final game it's much more polished, and I'm not entirely certain the battle the picture depicts even exists. I've edited the image caption to make it clearer, but possibly a more recent screenshot could be found to contrast it? 86.142.103.226 (talk) 19:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; good idea, I'll check some reviews for better images. SynergyBlades (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

QUESTION!!!

Now I know that Sonic News Network should not be trusted, but it says that Cream and Omega are optional characers. Is this true? Sonic&Mario Fan 18:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Despite SNN's bad information, it is indeed true. Although, I don't think it'll be helpful for the article; that is unless we decide to put small descriptions for each character. [2]GENERALZERO (talk) 23:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(Smacks SAMF) GEE, COULD'A SAID HI TO THE GANG WHILE YOU WERE THERE! (That aside) Indeed, true. Don't think it's anything great for the article. Wait...I'm just copying General... /: _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 01:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

K just wonderin'. AND YA DON'T HAVE TO SMACK ME DOUBLE S, I WAS ONLY AT SNN FOR LIKE 2 MINUTS!!!! Sonic&Mario Fan 8:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is true. You gain Cream by saving her pet chao "Cheese" who is in the first stage. Omega can be found in Metropolis if you have good searching skills.--Project Harbinger (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

needs sorting

the plot needs to be done and shade needs a biography ~IP signed by SLJ

Well, first, we need to find some sources so that we can add the main plot of the game, but, why would we need a biography of Shade? Maybe a brief description of the Chronicles-exclusive characters, if even that. I've looked for reliable sources, and am finding it hard, not to mention, I've been busy on SNN. _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 22:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Have any of you in the Sega Project or Sonic Task Force actually played this game? If so, with the game having been out for nearly a month, this glaring issue seems to be right up your street, surely? i.e, a plot section of about three/four or so decent-sized paragraphs, with references to the game using the cite video game template (see any GA-rated game with a plot section for reference usage). SynergyBlades (talk) 21:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Just beat it for the 11th tme. Thing is, I can't find any reliable sources to improve the article... _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 20:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Please re-read what I wrote, then check out eg. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune's plot section which I referenced. What it needs is for someone to write a plot summary/overview, then reference it using the game script itself. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Eh? I hadn't realised that we could still do that. I'll see what I can do on Sunday. (Sorry, I'm in no mood right now, and I've gotalot going on for the next few days. I should be open on Sunday, so, I'll try then) But enough of m lousy personal life. _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 21:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You can always use the conversation in the game itself as a source. And I've also played Chronicles. Just make a reference with the discussion giving you details about the game, then reword it to expand the plot section. And I think by mini character biography, he means what's happened with the articles lately. All information from one game Sonic characters has been put into the article on the game they appeared in. Like Marine the Raccoon. Seems reasonable that Shade should get a section here. I'm currently working on a story section on SNN, I'll copy and paste it when I'm finished and SLJ can source it.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

An anonymous editor has made a really good start by including a chunk of the plot from the start of the game. I've trimmed it down as it was excessively detailed for a plot summary, but as I don't know how much of the game this covers, I'm not going to do any more to it than that for the time being. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't do anything yet. I removed alot of excessive, unsourced info. Just wondering, could I use the games guide to source Shade being an Echidna? Just asking, as I feel we should give Shade's specis. _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 21:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you undid someone's valid attempt to actually make a plot section, rather than sit around and talk about it. I have restored it, and if one of you that actually owns the game goes in and references it, it will be the start of a decently sourced section. Yes, I know it's hard work, but it is the point of editing Wikipedia. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you can use the manual. The template is "Template:cite manual", and I recommend you fill in the "quote" section to make it relevant. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

K. I'll try when I get a chance. (I've been really busy, and am going through a state of depression) Though, I believe when one of the mergers (It was either Rob, AMIB, or Cig. I forget) said multiple times that we can't use the game, the guide, or the manual to source what we say. I reverted it 'cause it was far too lengthy for barley half the game, was entirely unsourced (Though I see that's where you're getting at... -.-;), and give info on parts that really didn't matter. _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 23:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Getting this article to GA status...

With some work, I think we could nominate this for Good Article status. I don't mind expanding some areas such as the lead, gameplay and reception, but it won't get far without a somewhat trimmed plot and, more importantly, references. It's been a few months now, and it seems like one area where the Sega/Sonic Task Forces should be able to assist - it's supposed to be your area of expertise, after all, and surely the sort of thing your task force was made for? SynergyBlades (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay! Let's do it! GENERALZERO (talk) 01:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

We could actually source the plot section by either using discussions, or simply saying "Extract from the mission journal of Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood" in the reference. I'll ready newsletters to inform everybody of our next big project. I'll even try to get RP involved. He's managed to get article to GA before.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

What sort of discussions? Forum or fan stuff is a no-no, obviously; it would have to come from a reliable source, which I doubt is available. Quotations from the manual would work for small parts of the plot, presumably detailing the premise as many game manuals do, so that would work for the opening elements of the plot, and here we can use the cite manual template. But GA-status game articles use quotations from the game script itself and the cite video game template, and that's what we should use here. Yes, it will take work on the part of those that have the game to find the relevant bits of plot and dialog, but getting an article to GA status does require that effort. SynergyBlades (talk) 15:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

That's what I meant. Use the discussion from characters in the game itself.Fairfieldfencer FFF 21:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've expanded Development with some information I sourced from the developer diary interviews, and in doing so have tied up a few of the dangling one-sentence paragraphs. Any news regarding plot source and tidy up? Needs to merge the characters list as well, ideally. SynergyBlades (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Do we actually have somebody covering the plot section sources? If not, someone needs to make a new game file.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

No, which is where I thought someone from the Sonic task force would come into play, as one of you is likely to own the game. SynergyBlades (talk) 20:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

There are several walkthroughs on YouTube. I have made a start on the plot referencing. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Permission from Sonic Team

• How did BioWare get permission from Sonic Team to create this game? --Kid Sonic (talk) 01:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Money. 98.198.83.12 (talk) 02:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

They had a meeting or bribed Sonic Team.--Project Harbinger (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• • How much money? Can I get a real answer? --Kid Sonic (talk) 21:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that was ever disclosed and barring a statement from either BioWare or Sonic Team will will likely never know the amount.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 03:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Platform

I can't find any evidence of it being on any other platform than the DS, can someone re-check this? I don't want to remove correct info from the article. Thanks! Samjohn95 03:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 1 July 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per the discussion. (non-admin closure) – Ammarpad (talk) 13:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

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Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood → Sonic Chronicles – There is only one game called Sonic Chronicles. 89.242.11.4 (talk) 10:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Every source in the article seems to include "The Dark Brotherhood", so dropping it isn't as recognizable (and it's hardly cumbersome anyhow). Nohomersryan (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - The Dark Brotherhood is there because it’s part of the name, not for disambiguation. Sergecross73 msg me 11:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cukie Gherkin (talk · contribs) 00:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Hi, just right off the bat I'm going to say that I see multiple significant issues with the article. Now, I haven't looked deep into the article yet, but I noticed some glaring issues on a quick look through. These include:

1. Uses at least one unreliable source (Go Nintendo, that should be replaced with the Famitsu source)
2. The Famitsu source (and possibly others) is in the table, but the review contents aren't mentioned in the Reception section
3. At first glance, the Reception section seems very small. Now, that doesn't mean it necessarily needs to be that much bigger, but the fact that there are reliable reviews not incorporated suggests to me that it's incomplete.
4. The story seems very large; I'm not necessarily saying to trim it, as I have to read it first, but if there are any extraneous details that could be lost without losing coherency, I'd suggest cutting it.
5. At least one dead link (1Up source)
6. The article text could be tweaked to more accurately reflect what sources are saying (for example, the GameSpot source citing that it incorporates rhythm elements actually says that it has timing elements, which is not inherently rhythmic).
7. In the infobox, every person listed, save for Richard Jacques, is not mentioned in the article. They should either be removed or, through reliable sources discussing their role, be included in the article.
8. The files have minor issues; they should link to the pages they're used on rather than the file itself, and the gameplay screenshot links to a dead link. I recommend either archiving the link or finding a new image or source.

Now, I'm not trying to be harsh, just trying to lay down my concerns about this article. I won't quickfail because that's super disheartening and wastes time if you can address the issues, but as it is, there are significant issues with the article that need to be addressed. In time, I'll review the text more closely. I'd say... two weeks? Just to give you some extra time to work on it. If you need any help, you can ping me and I'll help where I can. I'll also ping @TheJoebro64: to see if he's interested in helping, since I understand that he has experience with Sonic articles. :) - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback; I have shortened the story and replaced the gameplay screenshot with one from GamesRadar+'s review of the game; once I return home, I'll be sure to apply all of the other changes. Shadowboxer2005 (talk) 03:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Back at home, meaning I was able to do the following:

- Saved the 1UP.com reference from being dead.

- Expanded reception to include more reviews, thoughts on presentation, as well as the frequent combat comparisons to Elite Beat Agents; I also changed the Gameplay description to state "rhythm and timing" elements, as a sort of compromise.

- Replaced the GoNintendo reference for Famitsu with one for Nintendo Everything. Shadowboxer2005 (talk) 06:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Didn't get the ping but happened to see this on the GA docket, I can take a further look within a couple of days. (I've been busy so my wiki-time has been limited recently.) I can say right off the bat, based on a quick look, that I think this nomination was premature but I'll give a more thorough analysis later. JOEBRO⁶⁴ 17:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that it was premature; the gameplay and reception are still fairly incomplete, I've no clue why this article was marked as B class. It definitely needs expansion. And apparently there are multiple documentaries, interviews, etc. - I'm surprised that was all that could be extrapolated from those and would guess far more development info can be found. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Judging by how much info appears to be missing from the article, I think it'd be best to close the nomination. Do you think you can expand it adequately to fix these issues in a timely manner? @Shadowboxer2005: If not, it may be better to resubmit down the road once you've improved the article. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, I think we should close it. I'll add info from the documentaries once I find them (preferably not on YouTube, unless as a last resort). If I had to guess why it was ranked B-class, probably just old Wikipedia criteria being less strict. Perhaps it would be a good idea to re-review other old Sonic articles one day? Shadowboxer2005 (talk) 04:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, according to the history somebody rated it as B in 2022, so the criteria weren't any different. It was just a mis-assessment on their part. I will also say videos are considered usable sources if they're from somewhere reliable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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